Notice how this brother didn’t say he was “African American” he said “I’m of African descent, I’m an American citizen” Jim Brown is a monumental figure for the upward mobility of the black liberation
Totally. I am white. I am an American aka American citizen. I’m not a European American, I’m not what ever nationality my ancestors were. I can’t travel to Europe and be acceptive or assimilate. I am American and they will treat me as an American and not as one of them. Black people are Americans. They aren’t Less then Americans, they are Americans. No different then me. Americans that are black aren’t African. Africans don’t see them as one of them and will let them know they’re Americans. Same as if a white American goes to Europe, Europeans aren’t fucking with you. The idea that because of your skin color, a whole continent would identify with you or accept you or you would have some cultural identity there is ridiculous. Also, the ludicrous notion that Africa is United or sees all black people as one big family is racist. Africa has multiple countries, tribes, religions etc. they don’t few themselves or all black people as the same. Just like a Russian and British person don’t identify as the same group even though they are white.
@Rose Hawk @Rose Hawk Why doesn't he seek his ancestors and return back instead of cracking our heads about his origins !!!! America for Americans and Africa for Africans !
@Alex Supertramp how am I racist. They are Americans. I am an American. No one says European American for white people. Why call them African Americans.
"There can be no black-white unity without black unity. We cannot be respectable to others unless we are, first of all, respectable to ourselves." Malcolm X
So true. I've grown exhausted by the perpetual race victim mongers and the "woke" people who support it. You would think we were prevented from pursuing life, liberty, and happiness. Geez.
@The Realest 😀😀😀😀😀😀😀😀😀 You're not as clairvoyant as you think you are. Looked me up... 😂 Based on your logic, you might also be someone else claiming he/she is black. This is not a competition of blackness. I will not mention my cultural background and nationality so that you don't interpret my intention wrongly.
@The Realest Wow! I am not that IT savvy so I do not know what a POC picture is. Anyway, this is a picture my wife took of me about a decade ago. The same picture is on all my Google profiles.
@@theprofessor8589 your a fool you say Jim Brown is a sell out. Can you be anymore stupid. What does your comment say about you for one thing you don't even know Jim Brown to say something like that. Second are you really for Hillary Clinton and Joe Biden people like you should not vote. That's my opinion and I have a right to say it just like you have a right to say what you say even though it is not a good opinion.
Folks like Thurgood Marshall, Roy Wilkins, Whitney Young, and later Jim Brown and Warith Deen Muhammad were the real heroes of Civil Rights. They didn't indulge in flowery rhetoric(King) and peddling wolf tickets(Malcolm X), and focused instead on pragmatic measures which stood to benefit the black community in some material way. Tragically, this sort of work isn't glamorous enough to generate media attention
Great interview. Appreciated the silence of the Interviewer. He was respectfully quiet. Hard to get that in the media. Thank you for sharing your profound opinions Mr. Brown.
@@bluemystic7501 really?? What about single mothers who are choosing deadbeat, thuggish, criminal men to procreate with. It’s always the man’s fault right? SMH.
@@thedarkplague1475 I don't know who's to blame for the sky high single motherhood rate in the black community but it's safe to say it's an issue the community itself needs to address.
his logic actually made a lot of sense: how can you appeal to the conscience of those who have no conscience (as demonstrated by treating you as inferior in the first place)?
I get the sentiment, but technically everyone has a conscience (other than the occasional sociopath or the like). Some people have one that's better formed than others.
They do have consciousness though. That's where his line of thinking is wrong.. It's a blind consciousness, but a consciousness nonetheless. You have to open their eyes to change the mind of their consciousness. And saying that they have no consciousness, simply because you despise how they think, that only blinds your own consciousness.
@@Gutslinger That's right. It's the same mistake that people make when they dehumanize those that commit obscene acts against others ("He's not human. He's a monster."). I think it's an attempt to make some sense, or to try to grasp at the mystery of evil. Also, I think Dr King's philosophy is hard for many people because it involves making oneself vulnerable in an attempt at obtaining a greater good. The hard truth is that sometimes a person has to "pay the price" in order to do what's right. Often times it's an innocent person paying the debt (sound familiar?). In Dr King's case, he paid the ultimate price.
@@Gutslinger well played sir! You hit the proverbial head dead center of the nail! Your comment wields such power as it moved me tremendously by way of having a revelation of sorts! Thank you for your spot on analysis of the human psyche as it pertains to our inherent response in a socio ethnic and cultural context! Very exciting to realize someone who, in my humble opinion, get it exactly right!
Jim Brown is one of the greatest Americans who ever lived. A dignified man who helped others while achieving greatness in sports and entertainment. There will never be another Jim Brown.
@@mrv2308 Jim Brown didn't tap dance for anyone, you fool. He was more of a man on his bad days than you could ever be on your best. That's why complainers like you hate accomplished men. You are incapable of doing for yourself and your community so whining about others is all you have left.
The reasons Jim listed are the reasons why I've always gravitated more toward malcolm and the black panthers FAR more than MLK. the pleasure of briefly meeting Jim brown in 18. What a powerful man!
Jim Brown was spot on with his assessment of how we get ahead as a black community in this country. We have to stop depending on the white man to solve our problems or save us. We have to come together through economic empowerment(keep the black dollar circulating in our own communities). Also, we have to get back to strong family and cultural values and hold each other accountable. We have to create black private schools in our communities like the Jews have. And we need to train a security force within our community to protect our financial interests.
@@TheOriginalFrankMatthews Growing up white in the south, I always found it hilarious that other whites would make fun of certain minorities, in particular Indians and Asians, for "owning all the gas stations and spas" in the area. Meanwhile these white people didn't own shit themselves. It was clearly just jealousy of the fact that small business ownership was a powerful tool for those minority communities.
I get what your saying , how about we as humans don't see color, personally I get along with pretty much anyone, I'm cool to you if your cool to me , these people that can't get along with folks cause of there skin color are the problem ,, and to take it as far as to start killing folks Is a lunacy , never understood groups of people like the kkk for example , those assholes dress up in sheets , burn crosses , torch your house , I'll never get why, is it so hard to be a decent person, If you don't get along with whoever Don't be around them , simple Right? Love your fellow man And get along ,
On the contrary, Malcom X became more passive and his own extremist people filled him full of lead for it. But that should be no surprise..whenever Islam is mentioned violence follows it.
@@desireawinton9745 You don't end racism with more racism. Here's a fact, some people are bad and some are good. Why don't we judge people by the content of their character. Sound familiar?
@@waderivers99 "Well really if I judge which is not my place to do?" I judge a person individually, but can't say that for most people who judge all people the same!
I fully understand what Jim Brown is saying. Black thought with regard to the civil rights movement was never the monolith that the media portrays. I was brought up with a focus toward gaining a proper knowledge of self and kind, self-reliance and self-sufficiency. Elijah Muhammad, Malcolm X, Stokely Carmichael, Adam Clayton Powell Jr and Booker T. Washington were the figures of emphasis in my family. My upbringing has been the secret to my success.
Abolish things like the Patriot Acts and the NDAA, and all the UN Agenda 21 crap, then maybe the US Constitution and Bill of Rights will mean something again. The government has sold out to corporations, bankers and other foreign entities.
Just think Nobody is saying that wasn’t a detrimental blow to inner city communities. It was. But the statement doesn’t change. Family values have declined tremendously since MLK’s era. It continues to this day. No more excuses. 72% single mother homes. 72%. Is it more racist today than it was then? Back then it was 26%. That’s all I’m saying. When we fix the homes and family values across the board in all races (because all races are having a huge issue with this today because of feminism, government assistant, rewarding women in the court for financially breaking the fathers of their children, and overall the lack of fathers in the home) we will be better off as a nation. Unfortunately feminism stands in our way, and groups like BLM who says on their website that they want to deconstruct the nuclear family. All I’m saying. Nobody is defending LBJ here. God bless.
@@joee1213 feminism doesn't stand in our way. Women can have "certain" amount of rights. These r the problems that come with a nation that loses it moral and spiritual foundation. Carnality, lust, fornication, obscene music, and u stray away from conservative family based culture.
Alphonso Morris totally agree with the lack of morals. But what you’re seeing is a society of children raised by women. The overwhelming majority never has a father figure, male role model. This means the overwhelming majority are emotionally manipulative, overly emotional, with a lack of responsibility and accountability for their actions. We as men definitely let this happen. But make no mistake, modern feminism and emotional outrage is absolutely detrimental to our society. We have to fix the homes. We have to fix the single motherhood rate across all races. They’re all rising. When the home is fixed, things change. But at this point, our government is so blatantly corrupt that nobody has hope in any kind of future. Jesus is all we can have hope In. Social media is also a toxic thing.
Ok, so what did Jim brown produce for the black community that can be said was substantial gains for the black community with respect to the gains made by The Civil Rights movement?
Mr. Brown states: "Passive Resistance is an appeal to the conscienceness of the those persecuting." I think this is where he misunderstands MLKJr. Passive Resistance is instead an appeal to the neutral bystanders who do nothing. It was intended to spur the good in those who are not racist and goad them into overcoming their fear and incomprehension to fight on the behalf of those being persecuted. It worked because by not doing anything, the inhumane and violent actions of racists appeared even more extreme to the point that is was no longer tolerable to just watch and do nothing. In addition, if blacks had fought back, the racists would feel justified in retaliating. The neutrals would have felt justified in doing nothing and the vicious circle of violence would have continued. The violence had to stop and MLKJr recognized this.
It's much easier to have that view today "after" seeing the outcome. At the time however, the neutral bystanders seemed small in number and effectively non-existent. It only took 2 or 3 guys to lynch somebody. But tens, hundreds and occasionally thousands stood by and did nothing to stop it. Where was the conscience and action of the neutral bystanders? Less than 100 years removed from slavery and Jim Crow still in effect. It's not that hard to see why Jim felt the way he did. In the context of those times, his view made a lot of sense. Also, what he said about financial and cultural empowerment was in fact spot on.
Right!!! God bless you!! Well said....If we would have won that battle we would have made whites our slaves and guess who wins. The devil. Racism is the devils tool to keep us from God. "If you love God then you will love what He loves the most.....People." --Bizzle--
you def have it wrong..passive resistance is the resistance of reactionary force to meet force, force thats being applied. Martin led a lot of ppl to the slaughter he said so himself 5yrs after the March on Washington
They don't jack the price of homes up when blacks start moving in. The real estate value plummets when blacks start moving in. White Flight is the same as Black Flight who leave black neighborhoods wanting to move into White neighborhoods. Why move into a White Neighborhood? Why not stay in the Black neighborhood and work with the law to clean it up? I am White and Chose to move into a Black neighborhood and raise my children here. All of them graduated and went to college. Choose to NOT flee the battleground, but choose to RUN to or STAY in the battleground. Buy a $15,000 home like we did and fix it up. Why force others to do what you want, live where you are accepted.
@@maths23 Civil Rights Movement was used by the most racist & diabolical group in the world to create more division. They hijacked it. ruclips.net/video/ruP-WVgfkMM/видео.html
I was a part of Dr. King's passive resistance as a 9 year old child; and we made quite a change from where we were. If you were alive and a black man without money, then you would truly understand the struggle.
Hey Lenray. I was there, too, as a much younger child. This might seem small, but as a kid the first thing I remember were segreated public toilets which meant sometimes on-premises toilets for "colored" people and sometimes that meant you had a long way to go to just find a public toilet. Try getting a 4-year-old little girl to hold it. Then when I was older going to an all-white school in '69 where the parents sometimes referred to us using the you-know-what word. Not nearly as bad as it was in '57 in Little Rock or what Ruby Bridges experienced at a much younger age.
Actively going out to protest but not letting those get violent is being proactive. The George Floyd protests should’ve looked to that point in history for how to respond. The amount of people that truly have no conscience and aren’t racist out of some sort of ignorance/lack of exposure which leads to fear, or out of some sort of insecurity within themselves is very small I believe.
@@macmcskullface1004 rereading my comment it wasn’t 100% clear but I am totally on the side of the protesters and wasn’t really meaning to characterizing them as violent so much as point at where some individuals failed. Clearly it what happened was outrageous so there was good reason to feel outraged so I believe in places where riots did occur this was the reason behind it.
Jim Brown is also agreeing with what Booker T. Washington said: learn valuable skills, work hard, become self-sufficient and create surpluses (wealth). Everyone can benefit and prosper in a market economy without needing to live in the same neighborhood.
Not everyone. I picked up a job in retailing so we could add more money to our savings. While the managers are decent people, the working conditions are horrible. The pay is $14 an hour but then again this is MA, an expensive state to live in.
@@julianmarsh1378 Good job saving! Retail is a great starting point. But you're right, it can be hard, boring work. People need to gain more skills to make higher wages. Here are some fields with HUGE demand for workers that require 2 years or less of college, and pay $50k to $100k: Nursing, Computer Code writing, and Commercial Truck Driving. Also, there is a HUGE boom happening in new home construction right now, and you can make over $20 to $25 per hour doing concrete work, roofing, etc. HARD work but good pay.
@@widehotep9257 Of course there are good jobs out there and the more training and better educated you are, the better chance you have of taking advantage of those opportunities. But that is no reason other jobs should not pay more. America has gone from 'a decent day's wages for a decent day's work' to 'it's not how hard you work; it is how smart you work.' That does not sound bad in print, but when it becomes an excuse to suppress wages...as for me, I am 71 and it is rare to find someone my age who can handle this type of work (sorting donated merchandise, etc at breakneck speed). Most couldn't and what they might be able to find for themselves is more limited when it comes to their options.
I respected MLK but Jim Brown was smarter , he just wasn't in the right place . Although he was a main stage athlete , black athletes weren't seen as major players until Muhammed Ali came along then others. All respect to these men . Jim Brown is the most under rated leader of all time .
@@blackknight5339 He also supported Nixon at a time when black people, even conservatives like Jackie Robinson, thought Nixon wasn't the way to go. Jim, like a lot of self-styled "black separatists" of his day, wanted economics over black politics. Making a black person wealthy doesn't exactly translate into helping the community. While I agree that integration didn't provide the fruits the movement thought it would (which was ending racism), inteegration failed because we didn't understand the depth and breadth of white supremacy in this country, which was wildly underestimated. It did provide us with the rise of a black middle class, at least for a while. Cooperative black economics with black politics might be the best approach. However, I greatly admire Jim Brown for counseling black youth in urban communities.
Uh because of non violent protests we actually got desegregated we got our own rights that we should have had 300 years ago we became able to vote all that would not have happened had we taken the violent approach
What makes graham besinger one of the great interviewers of our time era, is that he always on a consistent basis can allow his guest to speak uninterrupted & gives them the space they need to complete their thought. He does this by giving them a blank open canvas of a stare, and zero knowledge of the material so his guests can break it down into cheerios until the next question. Brilliant
yes but we now know the this sytem (America) has no conscious. So if you go back and look at Look at MLK before he died he was talking different. He started talking about economics and what was woed to black people. Something he hadn't done before. He told told Harry Belafonte "I am afraid I am intergrating my people into a burning house" The MLK from 1963 wasn't the same MLK that was killed in 1968.
@@peferredservice2207 No but ... America is two. Patriots taking back control of system to dismantle it. America was built by pious men seeking Liberty from the same oppression [Corona] as today. Like the Masons, the US was and is hijacked. MLK was right (when he followed his Master), do not rewrite his message based on a statement of doubt, the opposite of Faith.
@@sargondp69 I quoted a statement of facts. Go look it up. After Meeting with Malcolm X and Muhammad Ali he was not the same man. His speeches from 1966 and beyond show this. No way I could ever chamge his message. He was going through a period of maturity like any person a mission. White people love to talk about how much they loved MLK but killed him! Many celebrated his death! In this country dead leaders are always celebrated because they can ask nothing of you! You go check the papers and see what they were saying about MLK before and when he passed. As for America I have no idea what you're talking about? There was no conscious then and not one now!
@@peferredservice2207 You quoted ONE sentence--wooo. MX was not the same after meeting King. He turned on his handlers and moved away from violence--so they killed him too (Star & Crescent). You are ignorant and deceived, as you admit: 'As for America I have no idea ...' so you need an education. Providence built America and the Founders abhorred slavery 'then'. Try Douglas if you only listen to your race. You have been lied to and you are a race baiter, and a damn fool *if you think the commie BLM tools are anything but 'useful idiots'. The end is near.
@@sargondp69 You're so immature in your understanding! What did Malcolm ever do that was violent? Whenever a black person want s to defend themselves they are violent?! typical! You're just a ignorant racist! anyone that uses the term "racebaiting " in the face of evidence is a straight racist period!
I have lived in Cleveland my entire life. I'm 67. I never like Jim's 'politics' when he played for the Browns. That was mostly due to his spousal abuse. However, today I've come to not only respect his views on racism but to admire his tenacity in speaking up for what he believes. He's always had that but now history has proven him to be right. He is a great man and more people should listen to him.
No not at all. Because if you trying to fight or go to war you need resources. So if you actively develop your resources and economics. You then have your own resources to build your community and develop your schools and security. But if you don’t build your own, you are basically, begging your enemy to give you weapons and resources to fight the very person you begging from.
Well greatly explained. Its like a grease fire burning and people are saying we need baking soda but more people are saying we need water. We ended up with the water.
war is the only way things will change. you have to fight for yourself before anyone will fight for you. Blacks in this country need to have some self pride and fight back. A bully only respects power. organize and unite
Wow! His take on assimilation was very interesting. Especially his thoughts on how the Jews and Asians handled their business from within. Very powerful analysis.
This comment went over a lot of commenters heads. It means that being non-violent in your approach doesn't make you "soft" or less effective. Jim Brown probably doesn't understand MLK due to him being a Christian.
Martin started to think like that he started to think about the economic and was preaching that towards the end. The i have dream speech didn’t get him killed it was mostly hate and he started to talk economics.
"In a sense we’ve come to our nation’s capital to cash a check". Pj, King said this in the Dream speech. He also talked about police brutality in the same speech. When white people tell me that they want to be treated on the basis of their character, I simply ask them for my check then. Then I point out what King said in that speech.
Me personally I like the concept of MLK, but it is and still is hard to do but I feel it can be done. Violence beget violence, peace beget peace. The way I see it all people should do what God says to do, for example, God said love thy neighbor as thyself, we do not do that. Instead we hate and put people in bondage.
Where was thy good Christians you so well speak of, Christianiaty itself has been used, and justify a way to oppress us, did America ever pray for the people that commit violence against them. They always say “pass the ammunition”. Telling black people to protest peacefully is the perfect way to keep them oppress, freedom can’t never be attain peacefully, it can only work if the oppressors appeal to his conscience. America itself didn’t get there freedom peacefully, they got through warfare, why is it black people ask to protest peacefully. You always praise another revolution as long it is white. Peaceful protest is bullshit.
John Thomas Jr. I agree absolutely right about that we should be putting our complete trust in our creator that's the main problem today we hate eachother for what it is sad
@@ibrahimadiallo4928 I completely agree with you you are absolutely right about that. Christianity is the slave Master,'s religion if any race that shouldn't be following it and that's African American brown-skinned people and anyone who believes in the truth of knowing that everything the slave master did to the people of colored lyching,lynching, every evil acts how can someone follow that after what they did to our ancestors we should not be celebrating praising joining in on none of their holidays period.Following the devil ways is wrong.
My thing is this , why do we as" Black" people always disagree " Publicly " were are do " Divided " but you never hear of any other " Race " disagree publicly or say something wrong about their own. We need to stop all the division and come together for a " common " Goal, Malcom X was killed by his own people. And all the people saying we need to do this or that, you ain't going to do a " Damn" thing, one thing about it , when it is all said and done, we don't stick together and all of the other races know it.
Both approaches are completely right. Dr King and Jim Brown. I love how he wraps up this discussion with the absolute basic definitions as to what he is as an American of African descent. Beautiful. When you're great, you're great. Jim Brown simply never suffered a single fool. Believe it.
I agree with Jim Brown living in a White Community don't mean anything when people asked me did I have White friends I said I don't know of any White people who are Deserving of my friendship
@@MrRodneywilliam find me someone Deserving of my friendship that you saw attacking the United States Capitol January 6th 2021 then you win the Prize I didn't see any Mexicans I didn't see any Japanese I didn't see any Muslims Yes i do judge by Character of Good People
to be fair to Dr. King, his identity as someone who was “passive” is a bit of a whitewashing. He really was very passionate and aggressive when he wanted to be. He wasn’t some wimp who told everyone to stop fighting...he was the fighter.
But he was wrong. As Brown says, we needed to internalize and grow our community economically. But instead we got rights without equality. Rights that most mistook for privileges... privileged to give their merchants our money, privileged to move away from our communities and into theirs, decimating our communities by giving all we had to be apart of something we don't posses to this day.
Let us be clear. Black people in this country have always been highly "do for self," entrepreneurial second to none. From Booker T. to Marcus Garvey and the Rev. Leon Sullivan, black enterprise was always the call of the day. Throw in the fragile white aversion to black success, and factor in Ida B. Wells documentation that the real cause of much of the lynching in America was really about stealing black land and businesses. (The "Sweet Auburns," and the many "Charlotte NC's, and Black Wall Streets," spread across the country, come to mind." And we all know what happened to them. The problem was the American apartheid system, period. King was the black shinning tip of the spear that left this monster mortally wounded. So that now BLACK folks in America Like other racial groups are more free to follow their entrepreneurial dreams, like never before in this country. Integration simply means freedom of choice. What we choose to do with it is not King's fault, but our own. This dis-respect for our past hero's, many of which have paid the ultimate sacrifice for us, is shameful. And needs to stop.
@@joshuabennett3122 because it's not true. What schools did the UNIA operate? What farmland did they own? What bank did they own? Similarities sure, but the Unia was called Negro improvement, NOI made the word Black powerful. And finally, when the Nation fell members rose it back up, the UNIA never resurfaced. Where is the fruit from the UNIA tree today?
@@joshuabennett3122 In fact, it was acknowledged by Garvey he came to America to meet with Booker T. to learn from what he was doing at Tuskegee. Did Garvey copy Booker T., no he didn't. The problem is no on wants to acknowledge one simple fact: Elijah Muhammad was by far the most effective Black Leader ever produced in America.
Interesting perspective from Mr. Brown. Much to be said for hard work regardless of any other circumstances. It can be hard and sometimes we need help but not expecting others to do things for us is a worthy philosophy.
I agree with both methods. Often it is not by one means or one approach but multiple approaches at the same time. Which is what happened to some degree. You can employ passive resistance and the same time you develop economic means and community and to both integrate and have a strong black community.
@@toshadenysekey5467 I believe they can and they will as will other races. I believe the primary issues in the USA today are "legacy" of the horrific racism of the past which was never properly redressed. Time heals all wounds and we who are not African american should move heaven and earth to heal them faster. To right the wrongs of the past with compassion, empathy and repentance for the sins of our forefathers. We can be better - Dr Kings dream shall be realized with the a empathetic repentance of the white man and the forgiveness and grace of the African American community. The sins of yesterday can be wiped clean only by the right action of today.
There's a saying, attributed to Al Capone: "You Can Get Much Further with a Kind Word and a Gun than with a Kind Word Alone." I have always thought that MLK and Malcolm were two parts of the same negotiation. MLK was the kind word, and Malcolm was the gun.
Because of Martin Luther King that the voting rights act was passed and integration in schools and public places came about. Today the black community and the struggle for equality has made great strides from the days of slavery. “In spite of temporary victories, violence never brings permanent peace.” Martin Luther King.
Jim didn't understand. The movement at that time, wasn't about trying to appeal to those who were our oppressors and didn't look like us, but instead, those who didn't look like us, and WEREN'T our oppressors, with the vision that the conscience of the oppressors would eventually follow suit.
Well the movement succeeded in ending the legal segregation system, but integration shouldnt be the be-all end-all, because there is still no economic base
Not true. There was no need to appeal to those who weren't our oppressors. If they had been in power then we wouldn't have been oppressed. Get it? It was those who were oppressing us who ultimately had to be changed and dealt with.
my mom was BFF with Dr. King and I believe they did the right thing for that time! I understand his point but I would not judge Dr. King, he DID something and not TALKED like everyone else, including famous people! I had the pleasure of interviewing Mr. Brown- classy guy
@ Fire Bug... Respectfully, The MEDIA paid attention to Martin and changed the World. The Media only paid attention to Jim Brown's Football ability. Not his politics. Had the playing field been equal (no pun intended), the MEDIA giving equal time to both due to politics, They both would have changed the World.
I agree with Jim that economic power has proven to be more effective than political power-this is true all over the world, by the way. I’d also add that while there is no doubt that racial discrimination occurs, there is insufficient evidence to support that it is the sole factor in, say, income inequality, for example. That is, world history has shown that even in the clear absence of racial discrimination, inequality persists. Inequality is the rule, not the exception, and there are innumerable contributing factors.
Very well said. Now if we could only convince the Marxist professors of this very fact we might have a shot as a human race to accomplish something nobody in history ever has.
Dr Claud Anderson also speaks profoundly about Economic Empowerment in a more detailed fashion. For example he talks about the five story building that Blacks need to build in order to be competitive in this society: Business, Politics, Law enforcement, Media and Education.
That was the takeaway? Even when he's explicitly talking about race? It's both. Slavery was about making money too, doesn't make it not racist. The socioeconomic piece is directly related to racism. He's speaking about a time when being Black meant not being allowed to get business loans, buy homes, vote, or own property. He's not reframing the problem, he's reframing the solution.
@@nateolison7553 sure slavery was a problem. Now it isn’t, and in the time it wasn’t. Sure, there was discrimination. What about now? Guess what, other races were discriminated against and they seem to be faring better as a whole; e.g. Asians and Hispanics. Now why is that?
@@scallywag1716 I mean, I'm not going to get baited into writing a book. But it honestly sounds like you're unfamiliar w/ the timeline. Jim Brown was speaking about the Civil Rights Movement. Which is a time when Black people were barred from effectively participating in the economy based on their race. The movement was a response to racism. One idea was to appeal to the hearts of the oppressors by showing how absurd and ugly their behavior was to the rest of the world. The other was to just focus on building wealth within the Black community.
@@scallywag1716 Your 1st reply to me is a different conversation entirely. In regards to how anti-Blackness affects wealth accumulation is a whole separate can of worms. I don't think you're actually curious tho, so I'ma keep it pushing. ✌🏿
@@scallywag1716 400 years of slavery(free labor) in America name another race that did that for america stupid?...across the entire planet name another race that has been enlaved by the entire planet? U bring up the Asian community did the Asian community not get compensation? Did the jew not get compensation for something America had nothing to do with? Did the Indians not get compensation? Let me guess your fine with black people not getting any compensation right? 😀😀 u bring up slavery and segregation? So ignore Jim crow, ignore the fact the every man-made Lake in America is a black thriving community buried underneath( i hope you fact check me).. ignore the Cia destroying the black panthers and assassinating every black leader who had a voice.. hell they even admitting to killing Bob Marley.. fucking Bob Marley.. ignore the Cia flooded our neighborhoods with Crack cocaine.. do u really think African American at that time the 80s was able to get cocaine and come up with the formula for Crack you cant be that stupid right? Ur clearly an intelligent being .. should I bring up (black wall street)? Should I bring up the housing red lining that needed government intervention so that black americans can try to own a home fairly?? What about police brutality? What about black American getting arrested 6x the rate and to 3x times the amount of time for the same crime In the same state ( fact check me) that's a high number to be a 13 percent minority with higher rates then the 73 majority race but surely you know these thing smart one 😀
Jim Brown could not disagree with you more. You can't engage in the same violence as your oppressor. How can u say MLK did not have a movement when 1000s of people would attend to his speeches not only black people but also white people. Need to show a little more respect to one the greatest leaders in our country in MLK.
Martin Lorenzo, I respect your opinion but it's absolutely irrational. Ask yourself, how does America or any other sovereign nation deal with a threat to their security? Mr. Lorenzo, it done by neutralizing the threat with as much force as necessary. Passive resistance means giving up all your rights to protect yourself from death by allowing your enemy to abuse you and kill you because they know you're easy prey and boy will they feast on you. Passive resistance allows a threat to easily take over all your possessions, land, house, wife, car and chidren. They get to eat up all your c🍪🍪kies. Everything you worked hard for and maintained is now your enemy's. Does this sound irrational, even if it is a bit extreme?
I have no problem with people disagreeing with MLK's approach to Black resistance. There are ways to respectfully disagree with other folks who sincerely love, respect and want to help Black people. (Provided that's also where you're coming from). What I don't like is when people imply King and his lieutenants were wimps or cowards. It took courage for Southern Blacks who had been living under the boot of Jim Crow all their lives to stand up to police dogs, fire hoses, nightsticks, bottles, bombs and anything else racists could use against them. Southern Blacks who resisted in any way, shape or form paid a heavy price. Never forget that.
Non-violence is backed by the theory of soul-force in which suffering is courted in the hope of ultimately winning over the opponent. But what happens when such an attempt fail to achieve the object? It is here that soul-force has to be combined with physical force so as not to remain at the mercy of tyrannical and ruthless enemy - Bhagat Sigh
History of the civil rights causes in the USA and India showed that overwhelmingly physical violence did not achieve the desired end goals and largely just caused additional back lash against the minority oppressed. Martin Luther Kings and Ghandi non violents movement on the other hand made massive progress and achieved their stated goals. In deed the voting rights bill was only introduced by Johnson in direct response to Kings non violent march after the "violent" Bloody Sunday. Johnson was so moved by Kings avoidance of violence - where when confronted by police the whole group instead of trying to force their way pas as the previous group did - kneeled to pray. Then left peacefully. 3 days later Johnson intoduced the bill which was eventually passed.
@@jimbertsmith the USA was the only country in the world that I'm aware of that needed to have a war to ban slavery. All the European countries did so peacefully without war or violent conflict. The same is true of the civil rights movements of the 20th centurr. Indeed even though European countries engaged in slave trade up until around 1800 it was actually illegal within most European countries laws to have slaves. England it was illegal as far back as 1300s. They just didn't have laws governing slavery outside it's sovereign borders. They were about 500 years ahead of what happened in the USA. In the civil rights movement in the 1950s-70s in the USA almost all of the major gains were made through non violent resistence and not through the use of violent force. Martin Luther King's movement a got real results and real gains for African American rights - the 1964 civil rights Act - 1965 voting rights - malcom X on the other hand caused some mahem but gained absolutely nothing. And MLK was very clear to define his movement was not "passive" it was strong non violent resistence. NoAnd as for Nelson Mandela he engaged in violent resistence initially as a young man and achieved nothing. He did nothing with this method to overthrow the racial oppression of his people. He spent 27 years in prison as a result of these actions and it was only when he was released from prison in 1990 and lead a peaceful resisitence movement in sth Africa that the Apartheid was ended through peaceful negotiation. History shows non violent resistence produced by far the best results. Ghandi did similar in India - getting results through non violent resistence where violence had previously tried and failed. I'm not even arguing about whether violence is "justified" - I'm just saying history shows it rarely worked where as blnon violent resistence when coordinated with strong participation usually did.
@@David-_-_- And overwhelming passivity also leads to violence against minorities oppressed. So, your solution is to let you do what you want, so that you will always harm us. That's your endgame. Real gains.... so, Civil Rights Act has to be voted up every 25 years (weird). Are black people not citizens? Why the hell don't white people just stop being idiots and let us vote like we're all citizens, huh? If you don't respect laws already on the books, what the hell is passing another law like that going to matter? We see you still do voter suppression, too. Look what happened after 2020. Look at what you had been doing prior. Look at the VRA with the Supreme Court after 2013. It means nothing. Black people are still being screwed around with by this system, in varied ways.... mass incarceration (to harm physically, to disempower economically AND politically to prevent voting), police brutality, wealth disparity, etc. Nonviolence doesn't mean anything here. You are not a peaceful people, you never have been. Most of the time you've been on this continent, whites gained by violence. All of the economic and political gains you made through slavery, violence. All of the lands you got, while genociding all up and down the East Coast and out to the West Coast? Violence. All of the resources you extracted to make yourself rich.... violence. You've even gone to other parts of the world to take from them and tell them what to do.... and threaten them... again, violence. But you want to tell what black people they should do in order to get your respect? F*** you. You've been violent, you have everything. Any violence black people in America commit, they are copying you, because that's how you got to where you are. We were removed from our own context in Africa. We learned extreme violence and dehumanization from YOU. You are experts at it. We do it to ourselves now, it's been done to us for so long.
@@Iloveswedes no - you do not understand what Martin Luther King stood for if you believe his movement was "passive". It was not passive. It was strong non violent resistence. Like wise with Gandhi. These giants did more for the rights of their people then any other men in modern history - and they were more successful because of the methods they used. If they had used violent Aggressive protests they likely would have achieved nothing. Worse then that they simply would have inflamed the situation and likely made the persecution of their people worse .... Not better. Martin Luther King is a hero for all people not just African Americans. He is one of my idols. A proud black man, Christian and American. Do not point at me like I have anything to do with persecution of African Americans. I do not - I actively support their cause and the cause of others for equal rights. This is again one of the reasons MLK was more successful - because he brought people outside African Americans to support his cause. He didn't simply brand you evil or racist because you were not African american. MLK said the above directly himself. He understood this. Non violent resistance was his method of choice ..... Because it worked the best and violent aggressive residence did not work and made things worse. He also understood that racism is not purpetrated by all white people. He understood many white people were allies. He did not attack these people or blame them for the sins of others. Rather he encouraged them to join his cause and walk with him. Another reason why he was more successful.
"I'm a U.S. citizen. I pay my taxes. I want my rights". What integration does is forces the Government to include blacks into equal rights in a system where they were already paying taxes. Taxation without representation is what blacks were experiencing. That's why INTEGRATION was so important to Martin.
I agree with everything he said, and it was spot on except saying Martin, and his people approach was passive. Looking at Buller Connor, Jim Clark, dogs, and water hoses In the face wasn’t passive. Mobilize an entire community to walk miles instead of taking the bus over a year under the threat of death wasn't passive. They Marched into danger, not asking, demanding their rights, and won. Going to Memphis knowing the threats on His life, choosing to live in the south knowing you could be killed by the Klan, especially after they bombed your home. is not passive at all. It takes an unwavering determination and action.. or in Salma, John Lewis getting his whole head bashed in. It was far from passive . On the other hand, Jim was spot on. Martin's approach didn’t solve the issues deeper and more important issues of economic inequality, poverty, and the housing crisis. They targeted the wrong thing even tho they won those fights. Martin admitted that and shifted his focus then they killed them.
Jim Brown was 100 percent correct and that's the problem today, and we are still lacking Economic infrastructures across America. This is why we are in a permanent underclass status position.
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Notice how this brother didn’t say he was “African American” he said “I’m of African descent, I’m an American citizen” Jim Brown is a monumental figure for the upward mobility of the black liberation
Totally. I am white. I am an American aka American citizen. I’m not a European American, I’m not what ever nationality my ancestors were. I can’t travel to Europe and be acceptive or assimilate. I am American and they will treat me as an American and not as one of them. Black people are Americans. They aren’t Less then Americans, they are Americans. No different then me. Americans that are black aren’t African. Africans don’t see them as one of them and will let them know they’re Americans. Same as if a white American goes to Europe, Europeans aren’t fucking with you. The idea that because of your skin color, a whole continent would identify with you or accept you or you would have some cultural identity there is ridiculous.
Also, the ludicrous notion that Africa is United or sees all black people as one big family is racist. Africa has multiple countries, tribes, religions etc. they don’t few themselves or all black people as the same. Just like a Russian and British person don’t identify as the same group even though they are white.
@@nonyobussiness3440 Fuuuucccckkkk, get that syringe outta your arm!
Yes he is. And always has been.
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@Rose Hawk
Why doesn't he seek his ancestors and return back instead of cracking our heads about his origins !!!! America for Americans and Africa for Africans !
@Alex Supertramp how am I racist. They are Americans. I am an American. No one says European American for white people. Why call them African Americans.
"There can be no black-white unity without black unity. We cannot be respectable to others unless we are, first of all, respectable to ourselves." Malcolm X
So true. I've grown exhausted by the perpetual race victim mongers and the "woke" people who support it. You would think we were prevented from pursuing life, liberty, and happiness. Geez.
Words to unit by for all races .
@The Realest Phony how? Not one of who? Wannabe what?
@The Realest 😀😀😀😀😀😀😀😀😀
You're not as clairvoyant as you think you are.
Looked me up... 😂
Based on your logic, you might also be someone else claiming he/she is black.
This is not a competition of blackness. I will not mention my cultural background and nationality so that you don't interpret my intention wrongly.
@The Realest Wow! I am not that IT savvy so I do not know what a POC picture is.
Anyway, this is a picture my wife took of me about a decade ago. The same picture is on all my Google profiles.
Strong family values and strong work ethic goes a long way to lift up a people.
Black Americans had that before they integrated with the enemy!
RIP Jim Brown...that's why such interviews are priceless... a peace of someone's legacy will live forever
Jim Brown has always been ahead of the curve!
Until now. Being paid by Trump to 'support' him.
Jim Brown was a man well ahead of his time.
@Karen B shut up Karen stop making up lies
@@theprofessor8589 your a fool you say Jim Brown is a sell out. Can you be anymore stupid. What does your comment say about you for one thing you don't even know Jim Brown to say something like that. Second are you really for Hillary Clinton and Joe Biden people like you should not vote. That's my opinion and I have a right to say it just like you have a right to say what you say even though it is not a good opinion.
That's why their Jealous of Him....
Jim Brown, he is the type of guy a young man say's yes Sir to.
THAT'S BECAUSE JIM BROWN IS NOT A GUY... HE'S A MAN... ALPHA MALE.
I only say yes sir to men who are older and, especially, wiser than I am.
@@tahseti1113 Well that is better than calling people sweetie, Honey, and sugar ect...
@@desireawinton9745 I don't call a woman ''honey'' or ''sweetie'', unless we're in a romantic relationship or friendship. I save that for children.
@@desireawinton9745 I like it when they do that.
King had it wrong! Even said so himself. Malcolm had it right. That house is still burning Martin. 👍🏾
@Derek Hitt you dumb as hell boy
Folks like Thurgood Marshall, Roy Wilkins, Whitney Young, and later Jim Brown and Warith Deen Muhammad were the real heroes of Civil Rights. They didn't indulge in flowery rhetoric(King) and peddling wolf tickets(Malcolm X), and focused instead on pragmatic measures which stood to benefit the black community in some material way. Tragically, this sort of work isn't glamorous enough to generate media attention
Derek Hitt your definitely white
@@davemontana9030 What leads you to make such an inference about me?
Don’t you dare say something like that Both of those mean was fighting for the same thing but had different ideas and I don’t agree with what you said
Great interview. Appreciated the silence of the Interviewer. He was respectfully quiet. Hard to get that in the media.
Thank you for sharing your profound opinions Mr. Brown.
It was a lot of young dudes that disagreed with mlk back in them days
That's ok about this particular reason. But MLK was more right than wrong. It cost his life. What do you think my friend.
My.dad said his house was split, Grandpa felt Malcom's vision was the way, Granny saw it MLKs way.
@Now ur a problem The black community's biggest issue is runaway fathers.
@@bluemystic7501 really?? What about single mothers who are choosing deadbeat, thuggish, criminal men to procreate with. It’s always the man’s fault right? SMH.
@@thedarkplague1475 I don't know who's to blame for the sky high single motherhood rate in the black community but it's safe to say it's an issue the community itself needs to address.
his logic actually made a lot of sense: how can you appeal to the conscience of those who have no conscience (as demonstrated by treating you as inferior in the first place)?
Because they aren't your target audience.
I get the sentiment, but technically everyone has a conscience (other than the occasional sociopath or the like). Some people have one that's better formed than others.
They do have consciousness though. That's where his line of thinking is wrong.. It's a blind consciousness, but a consciousness nonetheless. You have to open their eyes to change the mind of their consciousness. And saying that they have no consciousness, simply because you despise how they think, that only blinds your own consciousness.
@@Gutslinger That's right. It's the same mistake that people make when they dehumanize those that commit obscene acts against others ("He's not human. He's a monster."). I think it's an attempt to make some sense, or to try to grasp at the mystery of evil. Also, I think Dr King's philosophy is hard for many people because it involves making oneself vulnerable in an attempt at obtaining a greater good. The hard truth is that sometimes a person has to "pay the price" in order to do what's right. Often times it's an innocent person paying the debt (sound familiar?). In Dr King's case, he paid the ultimate price.
@@Gutslinger well played sir! You hit the proverbial head dead center of the nail! Your comment wields such power as it moved me tremendously by way of having a revelation of sorts! Thank you for your spot on analysis of the human psyche as it pertains to our inherent response in a socio ethnic and cultural context! Very exciting to realize someone who, in my humble opinion, get it exactly right!
Jim Brown is one of the greatest Americans who ever lived.
A dignified man who helped others while achieving greatness in sports and entertainment.
There will never be another Jim Brown.
You should check his wiki and take note of his legal troubles. He seems to be a violent man, both toward women and men.
If he wasn't a famous football player, you wouldn't say that.
Shut your a** up. Just because he tap danced for you Europeans.
@@mrv2308 Jim Brown didn't tap dance for anyone, you fool.
He was more of a man on his bad days than you could ever be on your best. That's why complainers like you hate accomplished men. You are incapable of doing for yourself and your community so whining about others is all you have left.
And a serial rapist
I could sit and LISTEN, to Jim Brown, ALL day, and, never ONCE, bring up football. LOVE this clip!!!!!
The reasons Jim listed are the reasons why I've always gravitated more toward malcolm and the black panthers FAR more than MLK. the pleasure of briefly meeting Jim brown in 18. What a powerful man!
He remembers his lessons from Malcolm
@The Realest what are you talking about? And is it really necessary to capitalize every word?
@The Realest 😆. Idk whats stuck up your ass but you're funny
@@Osiris064 its the roids
I don't think he needed any lessons to feel this way. It's a basic human instinct.
I role with Mohammed Ali,MALCOLM X,and Tupac✊✊
Jim Brown was spot on with his assessment of how we get ahead as a black community in this country. We have to stop depending on the white man to solve our problems or save us. We have to come together through economic empowerment(keep the black dollar circulating in our own communities). Also, we have to get back to strong family and cultural values and hold each other accountable. We have to create black private schools in our communities like the Jews have. And we need to train a security force within our community to protect our financial interests.
Nobody is depending on white people. Our problem is within first! Once we get $ right and ✊🏾we would be good.
@@TheOriginalFrankMatthews Growing up white in the south, I always found it hilarious that other whites would make fun of certain minorities, in particular Indians and Asians, for "owning all the gas stations and spas" in the area. Meanwhile these white people didn't own shit themselves. It was clearly just jealousy of the fact that small business ownership was a powerful tool for those minority communities.
WRONG!!!! We have enough economic power already. The problem is morally and spiritually.
So what you are saying is get the government to stop coddling the poor and trying to micromanage private businesses... we agree.
I get what your saying , how about we as humans don't see color, personally I get along with pretty much anyone, I'm cool to you if your cool to me , these people that can't get along with folks cause of there skin color are the problem ,, and to take it as far as to start killing folks
Is a lunacy , never understood groups of people like the kkk for example , those assholes dress up in sheets , burn crosses , torch your house , I'll never get why, is it so hard to be a decent person,
If you don't get along with whoever
Don't be around them , simple
Right? Love your fellow man
And get along ,
Later in MLK's career he became less passive and more aggressive in his speeches. He started to begin feeling like Malcolm X.
On the contrary, Malcom X became more passive and his own extremist people filled him full of lead for it. But that should be no surprise..whenever Islam is mentioned violence follows it.
@@koolazzice447 What? Once Malcolm found orthodox Islam, he became more passive.
@@koolazzice447 You mean CHRISTIANITY. 😉😉 Bunch of hypocrites. Did the Muslims enslave these men? You DID.
@@Shazayum its called Nation of Islam.. a different sect
@Derek Hitt EXACTY
Nobody gave him a damn thing. He worked for it. Thats how you go from nothing to something. He was something indeed.
Regardless AmeriKKKa still RACIST.
@@joebuie9819 A racist is someone who is obsessed with race. How does it feel to be a racist?
@@waderivers99 A person that can call out a racist and racism is not the racist?
@@desireawinton9745 You don't end racism with more racism. Here's a fact, some people are bad and some are good. Why don't we judge people by the content of their character.
Sound familiar?
@@waderivers99 "Well really if I judge which is not my place to do?" I judge a person individually, but can't say that for most people who judge all people the same!
Jim Brown simply took a page out of Malcom X book. That’s how he differed from King as well
Moore like Booker T Washington’s book
@@Jawnwickk Correct. Up from Slavery
I fully understand what Jim Brown is saying. Black thought with regard to the civil rights movement was never the monolith that the media portrays. I was brought up with a focus toward gaining a proper knowledge of self and kind, self-reliance and self-sufficiency. Elijah Muhammad, Malcolm X, Stokely Carmichael, Adam Clayton Powell Jr and Booker T. Washington were the figures of emphasis in my family. My upbringing has been the secret to my success.
Abolish things like the Patriot Acts and the NDAA, and all the UN Agenda 21 crap, then maybe the US Constitution and Bill of Rights will mean something again.
The government has sold out to corporations, bankers and other foreign entities.
Yeah the high family values thing has declined tremendously since MLK’s era
Just think same era.
Just think
Nobody is saying that wasn’t a detrimental blow to inner city communities. It was. But the statement doesn’t change. Family values have declined tremendously since MLK’s era. It continues to this day. No more excuses. 72% single mother homes. 72%. Is it more racist today than it was then? Back then it was 26%. That’s all I’m saying. When we fix the homes and family values across the board in all races (because all races are having a huge issue with this today because of feminism, government assistant, rewarding women in the court for financially breaking the fathers of their children, and overall the lack of fathers in the home) we will be better off as a nation. Unfortunately feminism stands in our way, and groups like BLM who says on their website that they want to deconstruct the nuclear family. All I’m saying. Nobody is defending LBJ here. God bless.
@Just think it was heading down b4 the great society Iniative, the welfare thing just incentivised.
@@joee1213 feminism doesn't stand in our way. Women can have "certain" amount of rights. These r the problems that come with a nation that loses it moral and spiritual foundation. Carnality, lust, fornication, obscene music, and u stray away from conservative family based culture.
Alphonso Morris totally agree with the lack of morals. But what you’re seeing is a society of children raised by women. The overwhelming majority never has a father figure, male role model. This means the overwhelming majority are emotionally manipulative, overly emotional, with a lack of responsibility and accountability for their actions. We as men definitely let this happen. But make no mistake, modern feminism and emotional outrage is absolutely detrimental to our society. We have to fix the homes. We have to fix the single motherhood rate across all races. They’re all rising. When the home is fixed, things change. But at this point, our government is so blatantly corrupt that nobody has hope in any kind of future. Jesus is all we can have hope In. Social media is also a toxic thing.
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Jim Brown is SOOO...... smart!!! Just so smart!
Jim is just using good o'l common sense, somethings that just isn't that common anymore.
Brown speaks knowing first hand what it takes to develop, manage, and support cultures in countries like America...
Where in this video does he explain a firsthand account?
Ok, so what did Jim brown produce for the black community that can be said was substantial gains for the black community with respect to the gains made by The Civil Rights movement?
Actually nothing
Your question shows you missed the entire point
Amer-I-Can.
What gains were made by the Civil Rights Movement?
@@jonathandewberry289 everything actually
Mr. Brown states: "Passive Resistance is an appeal to the conscienceness of the those persecuting." I think this is where he misunderstands MLKJr. Passive Resistance is instead an appeal to the neutral bystanders who do nothing. It was intended to spur the good in those who are not racist and goad them into overcoming their fear and incomprehension to fight on the behalf of those being persecuted. It worked because by not doing anything, the inhumane and violent actions of racists appeared even more extreme to the point that is was no longer tolerable to just watch and do nothing. In addition, if blacks had fought back, the racists would feel justified in retaliating. The neutrals would have felt justified in doing nothing and the vicious circle of violence would have continued. The violence had to stop and MLKJr recognized this.
It's much easier to have that view today "after" seeing the outcome. At the time however, the neutral bystanders seemed small in number and effectively non-existent. It only took 2 or 3 guys to lynch somebody. But tens, hundreds and occasionally thousands stood by and did nothing to stop it. Where was the conscience and action of the neutral bystanders? Less than 100 years removed from slavery and Jim Crow still in effect. It's not that hard to see why Jim felt the way he did. In the context of those times, his view made a lot of sense. Also, what he said about financial and cultural empowerment was in fact spot on.
There are no neutral bystanders. Silence and inaction is tacit approval.
@@jaybrewster2475 Your statement is too blunt. It denies the complexity of the human mind.
Right!!! God bless you!! Well said....If we would have won that battle we would have made whites our slaves and guess who wins. The devil. Racism is the devils tool to keep us from God. "If you love God then you will love what He loves the most.....People." --Bizzle--
you def have it wrong..passive resistance is the resistance of reactionary force to meet force, force thats being applied. Martin led a lot of ppl to the slaughter he said so himself 5yrs after the March on Washington
They don't jack the price of homes up when blacks start moving in. The real estate value plummets when blacks start moving in. White Flight is the same as Black Flight who leave black neighborhoods wanting to move into White neighborhoods. Why move into a White Neighborhood? Why not stay in the Black neighborhood and work with the law to clean it up? I am White and Chose to move into a Black neighborhood and raise my children here. All of them graduated and went to college. Choose to NOT flee the battleground, but choose to RUN to or STAY in the battleground. Buy a $15,000 home like we did and fix it up. Why force others to do what you want, live where you are accepted.
The civil right movement was never about justice is was all about acceptance.
@@maths23 Civil Rights Movement was used by the most racist & diabolical group in the world to create more division. They hijacked it. ruclips.net/video/ruP-WVgfkMM/видео.html
I agree with you. We did they same, we live in a safe ,diverse neighborhood in the city. We are happy.
I am in awe of his strong views.
the truth
5 time domestic violence. That is truth
I was a part of Dr. King's passive resistance as a 9 year old child; and we made quite a change from where we were. If you were alive and a black man without money, then you would truly understand the struggle.
Hey Lenray. I was there, too, as a much younger child. This might seem small, but as a kid the first thing I remember were segreated public toilets which meant sometimes on-premises toilets for "colored" people and sometimes that meant you had a long way to go to just find a public toilet. Try getting a 4-year-old little girl to hold it. Then when I was older going to an all-white school in '69 where the parents sometimes referred to us using the you-know-what word. Not nearly as bad as it was in '57 in Little Rock or what Ruby Bridges experienced at a much younger age.
Jim Brown refused to go back south to try change Jim Crow.
Well Dr.king finally realized he was wrong...
@@brucesmith6315 no he didn't.
Actively going out to protest but not letting those get violent is being proactive. The George Floyd protests should’ve looked to that point in history for how to respond. The amount of people that truly have no conscience and aren’t racist out of some sort of ignorance/lack of exposure which leads to fear, or out of some sort of insecurity within themselves is very small I believe.
@@macmcskullface1004 rereading my comment it wasn’t 100% clear but I am totally on the side of the protesters and wasn’t really meaning to characterizing them as violent so much as point at where some individuals failed. Clearly it what happened was outrageous so there was good reason to feel outraged so I believe in places where riots did occur this was the reason behind it.
Jim Brown is also agreeing with what Booker T. Washington said: learn valuable skills, work hard, become self-sufficient and create surpluses (wealth). Everyone can benefit and prosper in a market economy without needing to live in the same neighborhood.
Not everyone. I picked up a job in retailing so we could add more money to our savings. While the managers are decent people, the working conditions are horrible. The pay is $14 an hour but then again this is MA, an expensive state to live in.
@@julianmarsh1378 Good job saving! Retail is a great starting point. But you're right, it can be hard, boring work. People need to gain more skills to make higher wages. Here are some fields with HUGE demand for workers that require 2 years or less of college, and pay $50k to $100k: Nursing, Computer Code writing, and Commercial Truck Driving. Also, there is a HUGE boom happening in new home construction right now, and you can make over $20 to $25 per hour doing concrete work, roofing, etc. HARD work but good pay.
@@widehotep9257 Of course there are good jobs out there and the more training and better educated you are, the better chance you have of taking advantage of those opportunities. But that is no reason other jobs should not pay more. America has gone from 'a decent day's wages for a decent day's work' to 'it's not how hard you work; it is how smart you work.' That does not sound bad in print, but when it becomes an excuse to suppress wages...as for me, I am 71 and it is rare to find someone my age who can handle this type of work (sorting donated merchandise, etc at breakneck speed). Most couldn't and what they might be able to find for themselves is more limited when it comes to their options.
Jim Brown would beat Booker T. Washington's ass. He is more like Dubois.
Malcolm told Martin one thing they had in common they were both dead men!
Martin was dead not long after he stated, we are coming for our check.
Jim Brown was preaching the "Facts don't care about your feelings" mantra 50 years before it was popular.
How could anyone dislike this video?
Coz you cannot cure stupid
@@sebastianshaw210 its not that its brain washing you know what your taught
I respected MLK but Jim Brown was smarter , he just wasn't in the right place . Although he was a main stage athlete , black athletes weren't seen as major players until Muhammed Ali came along then others. All respect to these men . Jim Brown is the most under rated leader of all time .
Wait a minute! Underrated? This guy is a Trump supporter. He sold out!
@@blackknight5339 He also supported Nixon at a time when black people, even conservatives like Jackie Robinson, thought Nixon wasn't the way to go. Jim, like a lot of self-styled "black separatists" of his day, wanted economics over black politics. Making a black person wealthy doesn't exactly translate into helping the community. While I agree that integration didn't provide the fruits the movement thought it would (which was ending racism), inteegration failed because we didn't understand the depth and breadth of white supremacy in this country, which was wildly underestimated. It did provide us with the rise of a black middle class, at least for a while. Cooperative black economics with black politics might be the best approach. However, I greatly admire Jim Brown for counseling black youth in urban communities.
Nothing but facts out his mouth. It saddens me we took a back seat to everyone. But somehow can’t see that.
Uh because of non violent protests we actually got desegregated we got our own rights that we should have had 300 years ago we became able to vote all that would not have happened had we taken the violent approach
@@rapartist9309 we needed to have the weapons. Which we don’t or a military.
@@rapartist9309 Black people are still discriminated against and tell me one damn thing the democratic party has done to help black people?
That was brave of him . He kept the ball rolling after Harriet Tubman and Rosa Parks .
RIP Jim, i never saw him play but the highlights speak for themselves
What makes graham besinger one of the great interviewers of our time era, is that he always on a consistent basis can allow his guest to speak uninterrupted & gives them the space they need to complete their thought. He does this by giving them a blank open canvas of a stare, and zero knowledge of the material so his guests can break it down into cheerios until the next question. Brilliant
His ideas about kaepernick were cold and stale and without compassion to me. His work with gangs was inspirational to me.
MLK was right. He was not appealing to the oppressors but the consciousness of those with a conscious.
yes but we now know the this sytem (America) has no conscious. So if you go back and look at Look at MLK before he died he was talking different. He started talking about economics and what was woed to black people. Something he hadn't done before. He told told Harry Belafonte "I am afraid I am intergrating my people into a burning house" The MLK from 1963 wasn't the same MLK that was killed in 1968.
@@peferredservice2207 No but ... America is two. Patriots taking back control of system to dismantle it. America was built by pious men seeking Liberty from the same oppression [Corona] as today. Like the Masons, the US was and is hijacked. MLK was right (when he followed his Master), do not rewrite his message based on a statement of doubt, the opposite of Faith.
@@sargondp69 I quoted a statement of facts. Go look it up. After Meeting with Malcolm X and Muhammad Ali he was not the same man. His speeches from 1966 and beyond show this. No way I could ever chamge his message. He was going through a period of maturity like any person a mission. White people love to talk about how much they loved MLK but killed him! Many celebrated his death! In this country dead leaders are always celebrated because they can ask nothing of you! You go check the papers and see what they were saying about MLK before and when he passed. As for America I have no idea what you're talking about? There was no conscious then and not one now!
@@peferredservice2207 You quoted ONE sentence--wooo. MX was not the same after meeting King. He turned on his handlers and moved away from violence--so they killed him too (Star & Crescent). You are ignorant and deceived, as you admit: 'As for America I have no idea ...' so you need an education. Providence built America and the Founders abhorred slavery 'then'. Try Douglas if you only listen to your race. You have been lied to and you are a race baiter, and a damn fool *if you think the commie BLM tools are anything but 'useful idiots'. The end is near.
@@sargondp69 You're so immature in your understanding! What did Malcolm ever do that was violent? Whenever a black person want s to defend themselves they are violent?! typical! You're just a ignorant racist! anyone that uses the term "racebaiting " in the face of evidence is a straight racist period!
Nothing wrong with jim's mind. Very sharp man.
Jim Brown got that Philosophy from the Most Honorable Elijah Muhammad who taught all of his ministers this common sense universal principle.
I have lived in Cleveland my entire life. I'm 67. I never like Jim's 'politics' when he played for the Browns. That was mostly due to his spousal abuse. However, today I've come to not only respect his views on racism but to admire his tenacity in speaking up for what he believes. He's always had that but now history has proven him to be right. He is a great man and more people should listen to him.
@Paul Vu okay you just dumb as hell. @Tishbite please don’t respond to this clown, u made an excellent comment, let the likes do the talking now👏🏾
Isn't economic development and adding to the culture passive resistance?
No not at all.
Because if you trying to fight or go to war you need resources.
So if you actively develop your resources and economics.
You then have your own resources to build your community and develop your schools and security.
But if you don’t build your own, you are basically, begging your enemy to give you weapons and resources to fight the very person you begging from.
Well you cant attain economics by being passive.
Real talk
Well greatly explained. Its like a grease fire burning and people are saying we need baking soda but more people are saying we need water. We ended up with the water.
I'm a 62 year old white guy who lives in the country and I agree with the goat completely well said Mr brown
LL cool j should of patented his GOAT acrynm.
war is the only way things will change. you have to fight for yourself before anyone will fight for you. Blacks in this country need to have some self pride and fight back. A bully only respects power. organize and unite
Really interesting take. Very observant and thoughtful
Wow! His take on assimilation was very interesting. Especially his thoughts on how the Jews and Asians handled their business from within. Very powerful analysis.
HemanParkFilms the difference is the government was not on direct opposition of any of those other groups
@@lexbogie1 which even proves his point more of why trying to integrate into a slaughterhouse is not the move.
Jim, sorry to inform you, passive is NOT non-violence.
Yes it is.
Passive, submissive, submit, no fight, it's over, your done.
What r talkin about? You can't be passive about a situation but still be violent at the same time... 🤨
Pay attention to the racial background of those who are criticizing Jim Brown's opinions... uMkhonto we Sizwe!!!
This comment went over a lot of commenters heads. It means that being non-violent in your approach doesn't make you "soft" or less effective. Jim Brown probably doesn't understand MLK due to him being a Christian.
Martin started to think like that he started to think about the economic and was preaching that towards the end. The i have dream speech didn’t get him killed it was mostly hate and he started to talk economics.
"In a sense we’ve come to our nation’s capital to cash a check". Pj, King said this in the Dream speech. He also talked about police brutality in the same speech. When white people tell me that they want to be treated on the basis of their character, I simply ask them for my check then. Then I point out what King said in that speech.
Colin Kaepernick kneeling was a passive as you could get but he disagreed with that.
Violence is always evil but force is not always violence.
Me personally I like the concept of MLK, but it is and still is hard to do but I feel it can be done. Violence beget violence, peace beget peace. The way I see it all people should do what God says to do, for example, God said love thy neighbor as thyself, we do not do that. Instead we hate and put people in bondage.
Where was thy good Christians you so well speak of, Christianiaty itself has been used, and justify a way to oppress us, did America ever pray for the people that commit violence against them. They always say “pass the ammunition”. Telling black people to protest peacefully is the perfect way to keep them oppress, freedom can’t never be attain peacefully, it can only work if the oppressors appeal to his conscience. America itself didn’t get there freedom peacefully, they got through warfare, why is it black people ask to protest peacefully. You always praise another revolution as long it is white. Peaceful protest is bullshit.
John Thomas Jr. I agree absolutely right about that we should be putting our complete trust in our creator that's the main problem today we hate eachother for what it is sad
@@ibrahimadiallo4928 I completely agree with you you are absolutely right about that. Christianity is the slave Master,'s religion if any race that shouldn't be following it and that's African American brown-skinned people and anyone who believes in the truth of knowing that everything the slave master did to the people of colored lyching,lynching, every evil acts how can someone follow that after what they did to our ancestors we should not be celebrating praising joining in on none of their holidays period.Following the devil ways is wrong.
His message to white people seems to be "Don't try to accept us because we don't want your acceptance" . Ok you got it.
No lol
Y do we care about your acceptance?
Word is , he changed his tune after awhile , but I still see his aim .
No he didn’t. It’s just that liberalism has moved so far left that old timers like him seem far right.
My thing is this , why do we as" Black" people always disagree " Publicly " were are do " Divided " but you never hear of any other " Race " disagree publicly or say something wrong about their own. We need to stop all the division and come together for a " common " Goal, Malcom X was killed by his own people. And all the people saying we need to do this or that, you ain't going to do a " Damn" thing, one thing about it , when it is all said and done, we don't stick together and all of the other races know it.
Both approaches are completely right. Dr King and Jim Brown.
I love how he wraps up this discussion with the absolute basic definitions as to what he is as an American of African descent. Beautiful.
When you're great, you're great. Jim Brown simply never suffered a single fool. Believe it.
I agree with Jim Brown living in a White Community don't mean anything when people asked me did I have White friends I said I don't know of any White people who are Deserving of my friendship
What a duushbag.
Somehow, we'll all cope.
@@TheBatugan77 Oh WOW I'm about Peace you go to name calling and that's not how you make friend's
So much for being judged by character, instead of the color of skin?
@@MrRodneywilliam find me someone Deserving of my friendship that you saw attacking the United States Capitol January 6th 2021 then you win the Prize I didn't see any Mexicans I didn't see any Japanese I didn't see any Muslims Yes i do judge by Character of Good People
Jim Brown has mellowed out now after 5 yrs
Nothing radical just a thoughtful, caring, down to earth and great, HUMAN BEING!!!!!!!!
to be fair to Dr. King, his identity as someone who was “passive” is a bit of a whitewashing. He really was very passionate and aggressive when he wanted to be. He wasn’t some wimp who told everyone to stop fighting...he was the fighter.
But he was wrong. As Brown says, we needed to internalize and grow our community economically. But instead we got rights without equality. Rights that most mistook for privileges... privileged to give their merchants our money, privileged to move away from our communities and into theirs, decimating our communities by giving all we had to be apart of something we don't posses to this day.
Let us be clear.
Black people in this country have always been highly "do for self," entrepreneurial second to none.
From Booker T. to Marcus Garvey and the Rev. Leon Sullivan, black enterprise was always the call of the day.
Throw in the fragile white aversion to black success, and factor in Ida B. Wells documentation that the real cause of much of the lynching in America was really about stealing black land and businesses.
(The "Sweet Auburns," and the many "Charlotte NC's, and Black Wall Streets," spread across the country, come to mind."
And we all know what happened to them.
The problem was the American apartheid system, period.
King was the black shinning tip of the spear that left this monster mortally wounded.
So that now BLACK folks in America
Like other racial groups are more free to follow their entrepreneurial dreams, like never before in this country.
Integration simply means freedom of choice.
What we choose to do with it is not King's fault, but our own.
This dis-respect for our past hero's, many of which have paid the ultimate sacrifice for us, is shameful.
And needs to stop.
It’s not disrespect and we should always discuss all sides to stay aware and educated.
I will say if you are going to use the phrase "do for self" be bold and mention the man that coined it: The Hon. Elijah Muhammad and the NOI.
@@muskegontribune And were did Elijah Muhammad acknowledge that the entire NOI business model was borrowed from Marcus Garvey?
@@joshuabennett3122 because it's not true. What schools did the UNIA operate? What farmland did they own? What bank did they own? Similarities sure, but the Unia was called Negro improvement, NOI made the word Black powerful. And finally, when the Nation fell members rose it back up, the UNIA never resurfaced. Where is the fruit from the UNIA tree today?
@@joshuabennett3122 In fact, it was acknowledged by Garvey he came to America to meet with Booker T. to learn from what he was doing at Tuskegee. Did Garvey copy Booker T., no he didn't. The problem is no on wants to acknowledge one simple fact: Elijah Muhammad was by far the most effective Black Leader ever produced in America.
Yep he is a man with a lot of wisdom. Too bad others would never listen.
If you act violent against racists you’re giving them the reason to believe what they believe
Jim has the blessings of Mohammad....His people are still in a dessert....great job Jimmy
Desert?
Mohammed is NOT God
I agree.
Interesting perspective from Mr. Brown. Much to be said for hard work regardless of any other circumstances. It can be hard and sometimes we need help but not expecting others to do things for us is a worthy philosophy.
So lowering the price of the house, seems like expecting someone else to do something for him.
I agree with both methods. Often it is not by one means or one approach but multiple approaches at the same time. Which is what happened to some degree. You can employ passive resistance and the same time you develop economic means and community and to both integrate and have a strong black community.
I’ll listen to him he’s gone through the worst times in this country for civil rights ,
So have many others, but they might have different opinions
Jim Brown speaking facts hear, you can't be equal to your oppressor
Exactly Janoy Williams you can't none of African American brown-skinned people will never be equal to our oppressor.Thats just not going to happen.
@@toshadenysekey5467 I believe they can and they will as will other races. I believe the primary issues in the USA today are "legacy" of the horrific racism of the past which was never properly redressed. Time heals all wounds and we who are not African american should move heaven and earth to heal them faster. To right the wrongs of the past with compassion, empathy and repentance for the sins of our forefathers. We can be better - Dr Kings dream shall be realized with the a empathetic repentance of the white man and the forgiveness and grace of the African American community. The sins of yesterday can be wiped clean only by the right action of today.
There's a saying, attributed to Al Capone:
"You Can Get Much Further with a Kind Word and a Gun than with a Kind Word Alone."
I have always thought that MLK and Malcolm were two parts of the same negotiation. MLK was the kind word, and Malcolm was the gun.
Because of Martin Luther King that the voting rights act was passed and integration in schools and public places came about.
Today the black community and the struggle for equality has made great strides from the days of slavery.
“In spite of temporary victories, violence never brings permanent peace.” Martin Luther King.
Jim didn't understand. The movement at that time, wasn't about trying to appeal to those who were our oppressors and didn't look like us, but instead, those who didn't look like us, and WEREN'T our oppressors, with the vision that the conscience of the oppressors would eventually follow suit.
Good point I believe Jim did understand it though but just didn’t agree with that philosophy. Basically just different viewpoints.
Well the movement succeeded in ending the legal segregation system, but integration shouldnt be the be-all end-all, because there is still no economic base
Not true. There was no need to appeal to those who weren't our oppressors. If they had been in power then we wouldn't have been oppressed. Get it? It was those who were oppressing us who ultimately had to be changed and dealt with.
All praise is due to Allah for the honorable Elijah Muhammad
Islam was created by the vatican
@@LBJTV You sicken me with your lies
@@Argos-xb8ek Elijah Muhammad was a shriner
Piss on allah and Muhamed
Praise the Muslims for starting the slave trade and selling millions of slaves around the world.
Sounds simple but they still make it complicated
I admire Mr. Brown's philosophy, and candour.
my mom was BFF with Dr. King and I believe they did the right thing for that time! I understand his point but I would not judge Dr. King, he DID something and not TALKED like everyone else, including famous people! I had the pleasure of interviewing Mr. Brown- classy guy
Malcolm x did a lot. he got black people to think
MLK= changed the world
Jim brown= 🏈
@ Fire Bug... Respectfully, The MEDIA paid attention to Martin and changed the World. The Media only paid attention to Jim Brown's Football ability. Not his politics. Had the playing field been equal (no pun intended), the MEDIA giving equal time to both due to politics, They both would have changed the World.
What did MLK change?
I agree with Jim that economic power has proven to be more effective than political power-this is true all over the world, by the way. I’d also add that while there is no doubt that racial discrimination occurs, there is insufficient evidence to support that it is the sole factor in, say, income inequality, for example. That is, world history has shown that even in the clear absence of racial discrimination, inequality persists. Inequality is the rule, not the exception, and there are innumerable contributing factors.
Very well said. Now if we could only convince the Marxist professors of this very fact we might have a shot as a human race to accomplish something nobody in history ever has.
Dr Claud Anderson also speaks profoundly about Economic Empowerment in a more detailed fashion. For example he talks about the five story building that Blacks need to build in order to be competitive in this society: Business, Politics, Law enforcement, Media and Education.
Wow...first time seeing / hearing this. He is spot on...it’s a socioeconomic issue, not a racial issue.
That was the takeaway? Even when he's explicitly talking about race? It's both. Slavery was about making money too, doesn't make it not racist. The socioeconomic piece is directly related to racism. He's speaking about a time when being Black meant not being allowed to get business loans, buy homes, vote, or own property.
He's not reframing the problem, he's reframing the solution.
@@nateolison7553 sure slavery was a problem. Now it isn’t, and in the time it wasn’t. Sure, there was discrimination. What about now? Guess what, other races were discriminated against and they seem to be faring better as a whole; e.g. Asians and Hispanics. Now why is that?
@@scallywag1716 I mean, I'm not going to get baited into writing a book. But it honestly sounds like you're unfamiliar w/ the timeline. Jim Brown was speaking about the Civil Rights Movement. Which is a time when Black people were barred from effectively participating in the economy based on their race. The movement was a response to racism. One idea was to appeal to the hearts of the oppressors by showing how absurd and ugly their behavior was to the rest of the world. The other was to just focus on building wealth within the Black community.
@@scallywag1716 Your 1st reply to me is a different conversation entirely. In regards to how anti-Blackness affects wealth accumulation is a whole separate can of worms. I don't think you're actually curious tho, so I'ma keep it pushing. ✌🏿
@@scallywag1716 400 years of slavery(free labor) in America name another race that did that for america stupid?...across the entire planet name another race that has been enlaved by the entire planet? U bring up the Asian community did the Asian community not get compensation? Did the jew not get compensation for something America had nothing to do with? Did the Indians not get compensation? Let me guess your fine with black people not getting any compensation right? 😀😀 u bring up slavery and segregation? So ignore Jim crow, ignore the fact the every man-made Lake in America is a black thriving community buried underneath( i hope you fact check me).. ignore the Cia destroying the black panthers and assassinating every black leader who had a voice.. hell they even admitting to killing Bob Marley.. fucking Bob Marley.. ignore the Cia flooded our neighborhoods with Crack cocaine.. do u really think African American at that time the 80s was able to get cocaine and come up with the formula for Crack you cant be that stupid right? Ur clearly an intelligent being .. should I bring up (black wall street)? Should I bring up the housing red lining that needed government intervention so that black americans can try to own a home fairly?? What about police brutality? What about black American getting arrested 6x the rate and to 3x times the amount of time for the same crime In the same state ( fact check me) that's a high number to be a 13 percent minority with higher rates then the 73 majority race but surely you know these thing smart one 😀
Jim Brown could not disagree with you more. You can't engage in the same violence as your oppressor. How can u say MLK did not have a movement when 1000s of people would attend to his speeches not only black people but also white people. Need to show a little more respect to one the greatest leaders in our country in MLK.
You did not listen to what was said ! He was talking about the might $ and self empowerment !
Martin Lorenzo Yes you can engage on the same level as your oppressors.
Martin Lorenzo, I respect your opinion but it's absolutely irrational. Ask yourself, how does America or any other sovereign nation deal with a threat to their security? Mr. Lorenzo, it done by neutralizing the threat with as much force as necessary. Passive resistance means giving up all your rights to protect yourself from death by allowing your enemy to abuse you and kill you because they know you're easy prey and boy will they feast on you. Passive resistance allows a threat to easily take over all your possessions, land, house, wife, car and chidren. They get to eat up all your
c🍪🍪kies. Everything you worked hard for and maintained is now your enemy's. Does this sound irrational, even if it is a bit extreme?
Mlk was right. Jim brown just have drunk trump koolaid just like rev Scott who is a straight up liar
uMkhonto we Sizwe!!!
He is absolutely right about what he's saying you cannot make Development building businesses and strong family is the way to go
All violence does Is get more violence One side starts it other side retaliates Then vice versa Martin Luther King, Jr. Was a very smart man.
The focus should have been on economic empowerment, not forced integration. King realized this before his death in 68.
Jim you are right - loved you in the dirty dozen
Love Jim Brown. Smart man , common sense approach to everything. LovE his view On Colin Kaepernick and in kneeling for the flag. 100% spot on
If Kaepernick kneeling for the anthem is what kills football that just goes to show how stupid the sport is
Speak on it Jim Brown!
I have no problem with people disagreeing with MLK's approach to Black resistance. There are ways to respectfully disagree with other folks who sincerely love, respect and want to help Black people. (Provided that's also where you're coming from). What I don't like is when people imply King and his lieutenants were wimps or cowards. It took courage for Southern Blacks who had been living under the boot of Jim Crow all their lives to stand up to police dogs, fire hoses, nightsticks, bottles, bombs and anything else racists could use against them. Southern Blacks who resisted in any way, shape or form paid a heavy price. Never forget that.
Non-violence is backed by the theory of soul-force in which suffering is courted in the hope of ultimately winning over the opponent. But what happens when such an attempt fail to achieve the object? It is here that soul-force has to be combined with physical force so as not to remain at the mercy of tyrannical and ruthless enemy - Bhagat Sigh
History of the civil rights causes in the USA and India showed that overwhelmingly physical violence did not achieve the desired end goals and largely just caused additional back lash against the minority oppressed. Martin Luther Kings and Ghandi non violents movement on the other hand made massive progress and achieved their stated goals. In deed the voting rights bill was only introduced by Johnson in direct response to Kings non violent march after the "violent" Bloody Sunday. Johnson was so moved by Kings avoidance of violence - where when confronted by police the whole group instead of trying to force their way pas as the previous group did - kneeled to pray. Then left peacefully. 3 days later Johnson intoduced the bill which was eventually passed.
@@jimbertsmith the USA was the only country in the world that I'm aware of that needed to have a war to ban slavery. All the European countries did so peacefully without war or violent conflict. The same is true of the civil rights movements of the 20th centurr. Indeed even though European countries engaged in slave trade up until around 1800 it was actually illegal within most European countries laws to have slaves. England it was illegal as far back as 1300s. They just didn't have laws governing slavery outside it's sovereign borders. They were about 500 years ahead of what happened in the USA. In the civil rights movement in the 1950s-70s in the USA almost all of the major gains were made through non violent resistence and not through the use of violent force. Martin Luther King's movement a got real results and real gains for African American rights - the 1964 civil rights Act - 1965 voting rights - malcom X on the other hand caused some mahem but gained absolutely nothing. And MLK was very clear to define his movement was not "passive" it was strong non violent resistence. NoAnd as for Nelson Mandela he engaged in violent resistence initially as a young man and achieved nothing. He did nothing with this method to overthrow the racial oppression of his people. He spent 27 years in prison as a result of these actions and it was only when he was released from prison in 1990 and lead a peaceful resisitence movement in sth Africa that the Apartheid was ended through peaceful negotiation. History shows non violent resistence produced by far the best results. Ghandi did similar in India - getting results through non violent resistence where violence had previously tried and failed. I'm not even arguing about whether violence is "justified" - I'm just saying history shows it rarely worked where as blnon violent resistence when coordinated with strong participation usually did.
@@David-_-_- And overwhelming passivity also leads to violence against minorities oppressed. So, your solution is to let you do what you want, so that you will always harm us. That's your endgame.
Real gains.... so, Civil Rights Act has to be voted up every 25 years (weird). Are black people not citizens? Why the hell don't white people just stop being idiots and let us vote like we're all citizens, huh? If you don't respect laws already on the books, what the hell is passing another law like that going to matter? We see you still do voter suppression, too. Look what happened after 2020. Look at what you had been doing prior. Look at the VRA with the Supreme Court after 2013. It means nothing. Black people are still being screwed around with by this system, in varied ways.... mass incarceration (to harm physically, to disempower economically AND politically to prevent voting), police brutality, wealth disparity, etc. Nonviolence doesn't mean anything here. You are not a peaceful people, you never have been. Most of the time you've been on this continent, whites gained by violence. All of the economic and political gains you made through slavery, violence. All of the lands you got, while genociding all up and down the East Coast and out to the West Coast? Violence. All of the resources you extracted to make yourself rich.... violence. You've even gone to other parts of the world to take from them and tell them what to do.... and threaten them... again, violence.
But you want to tell what black people they should do in order to get your respect? F*** you. You've been violent, you have everything. Any violence black people in America commit, they are copying you, because that's how you got to where you are. We were removed from our own context in Africa. We learned extreme violence and dehumanization from YOU. You are experts at it. We do it to ourselves now, it's been done to us for so long.
@@Iloveswedes no - you do not understand what Martin Luther King stood for if you believe his movement was "passive". It was not passive. It was strong non violent resistence. Like wise with Gandhi.
These giants did more for the rights of their people then any other men in modern history - and they were more successful because of the methods they used. If they had used violent Aggressive protests they likely would have achieved nothing. Worse then that they simply would have inflamed the situation and likely made the persecution of their people worse .... Not better. Martin Luther King is a hero for all people not just African Americans. He is one of my idols. A proud black man, Christian and American. Do not point at me like I have anything to do with persecution of African Americans. I do not - I actively support their cause and the cause of others for equal rights. This is again one of the reasons MLK was more successful - because he brought people outside African Americans to support his cause. He didn't simply brand you evil or racist because you were not African american.
MLK said the above directly himself. He understood this. Non violent resistance was his method of choice ..... Because it worked the best and violent aggressive residence did not work and made things worse. He also understood that racism is not purpetrated by all white people. He understood many white people were allies. He did not attack these people or blame them for the sins of others. Rather he encouraged them to join his cause and walk with him. Another reason why he was more successful.
Amen,Amin!!!!
Thus endeth the Sermon.
I completely agree with his stance. Economic progress is more important than pursuing assimilation.
I want that painting
"I'm a U.S. citizen. I pay my taxes. I want my rights". What integration does is forces the Government to include blacks into equal rights in a system where they were already paying taxes. Taxation without representation is what blacks were experiencing. That's why INTEGRATION was so important to Martin.
He was clearly wrong 🙂
I agree with everything he said, and it was spot on except saying Martin, and his people approach was passive. Looking at Buller Connor, Jim Clark, dogs, and water hoses In the face wasn’t passive. Mobilize an entire community to walk miles instead of taking the bus over a year under the threat of death wasn't passive. They Marched into danger, not asking, demanding their rights, and won. Going to Memphis knowing the threats on His life, choosing to live in the south knowing you could be killed by the Klan, especially after they bombed your home. is not passive at all. It takes an unwavering determination and action.. or in Salma, John Lewis getting his whole head bashed in. It was far from passive .
On the other hand, Jim was spot on. Martin's approach didn’t solve the issues deeper and more important issues of economic inequality, poverty, and the housing crisis. They targeted the wrong thing even tho they won those fights. Martin admitted that and shifted his focus then they killed them.
Jim Brown was 100 percent correct and that's the problem today, and we are still lacking Economic infrastructures across America. This is why we are in a permanent underclass status position.
Violence is often used against a movement and well could backfire.