Minimum you need for table flight is 3 but let’s make it 4. Let’s treble that for redundancy so that makes 12. Ideally you want so many such that 1-2 failures has no effect on operations and is merely swapped out after landing. From that pint of view 4 x 6 =24 makes sense. The engines should be service free for the life of the aircraft
It’s crazy to think that we don’t have anything even close to this today, yet here these guys are designing a futuristic supersonic VTOL airliner decades ago. Either way, I want the tea they were drinking.
Tbh the problem of such aircraft is they're heavy, maintenance heavy, not fuel efficient, and loud. Most of the problem came from the VTOL system, they take up fuel space, and take fuel from the main engine.
@@Mr.Universe Still a wildly inefficient way of doing things and doesn't make it a good idea. Second this was nothing more than something on paper and yet all you slowmos are pretending like it was actually made. You don't drag around a bunch of extra engines and literally tons of weight for no cost.
W.E.Griffith was also the man who told Whittle the jet engine wouldn't work. He pointed out an error in Whittle's calculations and refused him government funding. He did this while working on his own design which was basically a turboprop (the contraflow)
This literally looks like something straight out of Despicable Me. Like the aircraft owned by Scarlet Overkill when she transports the minions to the United Kingdom
The VTOL would have solved the issue of needing dedicated runways required for the Arsenal Bird. Kudos to the Brits and the special tea. Interestingly the tip of the Griffith reminds me of the bill/sword and oil glands of the marlin/swordfish. The marlin got a ridiculously large oil gland that takes up a good proportion of its skull, connected to oil pores along the bill. One of the proposed function of the secreted oil is to significantly lowers friction and improve hydrodynamics of the fish, allowing it to swim at unbelievable speeds. The structure is very similar to the bow shock wave from the shock cone. Maybe some sort of bio mimicry?
Your design in flyout will push the "design" of this aircraft further than the originators. This wasn't really much of a thing and youtubers like this need to stop it with the hidden knowledge nonsense. It is basically ancient aliens for people who like airplanes and are also slow.
A SpaceX, Boom Overture, and Astro Mechanica collab for a fuel efficient LNG powered Griffith would be righteous. Hybrid electric, reminds me of some aircraft thing Elon hinted too a while back. That creative madness would be much appreciated by this realistic dreamer.
No it wasn't there were a ton of nonsense designs like this. Just because something was designed doesn't make it real. I can CAD up some nonsense planes that doesn't make them innovative nor should I deserve any respect.
Okay, who the hell teleported a Speed-Freek Ork from 40K, gave it an unlimited supply of super-cocaine and then allowed it access to an aeronautical drawing board?
You mean paper? This literally was never a thing. You are getting duped by ancient aliens level of nonsense. Just because you have never heard about something doesn't mean you start listening and believing everything about it.
That's literally a spaceship. A grand proof of concept. Maybe easier to develop again some time soon with less cost and more practicality. It feels more designed for upper-atmospheric travel, with the bonus of easy VTOL... Maybe once we colonise the moon or mars.... this concept will reappear as the moon/mars Taxi! Still be super expensive to R&D at present times.
it’s 1am. i have to be up in 6 hours for college. i was just about to go to bed. but found and explained just posted a new video. i am now no longer going to bed
Some very cool engineering, but 68 gas turbine jet engines? Sounds like a maintenance nightmare. You'd have to stagger the engine maintenance to the point it lived inside the hanger!
This is one of the most awesome bad ideas I've ever seen. Batshit crazy- definitely. Overly ambitious, check. But it is bold and adventurous, with so many cool design touches. If the Nic Cage movie "Prisoners of the Ghostland" were an airplane it would be the Griffith VTO
Minimizing traveling time is vastly overrated. Today where you can do business from a plane thanks to satelite internet even far more than in the seventies. Just make sure that your passengers are feeling good and can keep themselves busy.
Supersonic flying craft are great, especially if without boom. Mach 2.5 may not be necessary for civilian commercial or private flights given the points you have made. Enjoying and being productive on the journey. This VTOL craft is gorgeous though.
It failed because it is missing one more giant engine in the middle making it 69 engines! Hurray for odd symmetry! Always a big one in the middle when you have two pylons on the wings. This jet will be made in the future. Something like it that is. Just an electric hybrid one. Tilt powered craft are the future! Crazy how far ahead of its time it was. We would still struggle to make it. Yet active flow control is being worked on now by NASA.
i swear the uk never advanced past english electric lightning doctrine and only knows how to put more skinny turbojets on eveything. prob were so happy to add 1 extra engine to the tri star
If it takes me where I want to go fast I need no windows. Honestly I would be fine in any airplane without windows, I do not want to look out and just see murky clouds and depressing vistas of urban concrete jungles. If I want a leisure sightseeing flight I will get either on a heli or a blimp. Now this plane smells of engineers inhaling coffee mixed with coke or injecting it straight to their brains. Its both awesome and terrifying, and now I am going to see if someone is willing to make one in Flyout because I suck at making replicas in that game.
Hell, with modern tech, the "no windows" issue can be circumvented with rear projection screens on the interior walls and cameras safely mounted in the external hull.
there are dozens of these 'VTOL lifting engine' paper proposals from the UK. They were promoted by Rolls Royce for its lift jet. Nobody ever adopted the concept for a production plane, there were a few experimental projects but the idea of a military or commercial plane should waste capacity carrying around engines used for a few minutes is risible. The Soviet Yakovlev VSTOLs used such only because they had no other way to create a VSTOL plane and these had abysmal performance. There were also suggestions, notably promoted by Shorts Bros, the makers of the SC1 shown in the video at 8:05, that a separate 'lifting platform aircraft for conventional planes to ride and take off on. Rolls dropped the idea when they acquired the Bristol Siddeley Engine company with its Pegasus vectored thrust engine applied successfully to the Harrier family of aircraft.
Funny concept to melt away the concrete of the airports. I thought the CL-704 was crazy with its 15 jet engines (I built 2 models of it in 1:72), but this one tops it at all.
And how did they make those fuel lines swivel accordingly with the outer engines, without stretching, twisting, breaking etc? I don't think it would be the same as with, let say, a brake caliper hose: just by giving it certain amount of length.
LOL... yeah... with the fuel fraction and the specific impulse of turbojets of that thing it'll be lucky to make it from London to Dublin before running out of fuel.
Captain, our engine is on fire. “No problem, we have 67 for backup”.
So it only runs on one engine 🤔
@Musicreach101 No captain sully, but one engine can sure catch fire :) and 67 can be enough for the landing (hopefully).
Minimum you need for table flight is 3 but let’s make it 4. Let’s treble that for redundancy so that makes 12. Ideally you want so many such that 1-2 failures has no effect on operations and is merely swapped out after landing. From that pint of view 4 x 6 =24 makes sense. The engines should be service free for the life of the aircraft
Captain, our engine is on fire. " Whichhhh oneeee?"
@@williamzk9083 Imagine the number of thrust levers that would be needed, and imagine controlling all of them at minimums😂
Ah yes, bankrupting the passengers AND the Airline! Two birds one plane
Two towers in onw plane ?
@@dc-101dry af
@@dc-101two towers two planes
4 towers 1 fish
4 weddings and a funeral. Of engineers.
This thing has more engines than passengers
This is so Thunderbirds I'm surprised they didn't consult with Derek Meddings on the design.
Yep - absolutely inspiration for TB1
This is essentially a prototype of a Star Destroyer.
Reminds me of Mauls ship from Phantom Menace :p
@@jack1701e ooh yeah, those side wings design are closer to the scimitar indeed
I will now regurgitate a quote from the hit manga 'Berserk'
*clears throat*
GRRRRIIIIIIFFFFFIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIITTTTHHHHHH
Good
Bleh, Berserk is overhype. Good quote though.
i was thinking the same thing lol
That is a Gerry Anderson craft if I have ever seen one.
Firefly.
Especially the nuclear powered one. Everything is nuclear powered in Gerry Anderson land
Thunderbirds Are Go!!!... 😀
@@fortworthron F.A.B!
It’s crazy to think that we don’t have anything even close to this today, yet here these guys are designing a futuristic supersonic VTOL airliner decades ago. Either way, I want the tea they were drinking.
And it had 68 engines. If each engine was the power of a F15 engine it would go Mach 60
Tbh the problem of such aircraft is they're heavy, maintenance heavy, not fuel efficient, and loud. Most of the problem came from the VTOL system, they take up fuel space, and take fuel from the main engine.
@@varnix1006 its been decades planes like this could definitely work nowadays...VTOL systems have advanced over the years.
@@Mr.Universe Still a wildly inefficient way of doing things and doesn't make it a good idea. Second this was nothing more than something on paper and yet all you slowmos are pretending like it was actually made. You don't drag around a bunch of extra engines and literally tons of weight for no cost.
I think simulations eliminate a lot crazy ideas. Either financially or physics. Shame
the noise inside would be something else lol
So true lol
Made me think about the BAC One-Eleven
The vtol is to land in the city center. Imagine the noise of 50+ old engines in the city center.
Berserk fans watching this video: GRIFFIIIITHHHH
glad im not the only one that instantly thought of that
MGS fans: LIQUIIIIID
(because of the fuel economy, tons of fuel, so the slightest shake would make an audible slushing sound)
This is straight out of The Thunderbirds...
From trapped in the sky.
68? It’d be nicer if they counted the APU too.
69.
Nice
@@twistedyogert😜😁
Aircraft engineer 1: ok we have 67 engines.
Aircraft engineer 2: do you know what this plane really needs
W.E.Griffith was also the man who told Whittle the jet engine wouldn't work. He pointed out an error in Whittle's calculations and refused him government funding. He did this while working on his own design which was basically a turboprop (the contraflow)
This literally looks like something straight out of Despicable Me. Like the aircraft owned by Scarlet Overkill when she transports the minions to the United Kingdom
The VTOL would have solved the issue of needing dedicated runways required for the Arsenal Bird. Kudos to the Brits and the special tea.
Interestingly the tip of the Griffith reminds me of the bill/sword and oil glands of the marlin/swordfish. The marlin got a ridiculously large oil gland that takes up a good proportion of its skull, connected to oil pores along the bill. One of the proposed function of the secreted oil is to significantly lowers friction and improve hydrodynamics of the fish, allowing it to swim at unbelievable speeds.
The structure is very similar to the bow shock wave from the shock cone. Maybe some sort of bio mimicry?
looks like i know what to do in Flyout tomorrow
Your design in flyout will push the "design" of this aircraft further than the originators. This wasn't really much of a thing and youtubers like this need to stop it with the hidden knowledge nonsense. It is basically ancient aliens for people who like airplanes and are also slow.
@ oh i know
There is no such thing as too many. Speed is all that matters.
There is no such thing as overkill! There is only "Open fire!" and "Reload!" ... Wait ... that's ... not quite the same thing ... 😊
@seanbigay1042 it's the same pictue
I've had a design like this in my head since I was a kid. Funny to see it was given any kind of a chance lol
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0:35 if it lands vertically its even a VTOL
I've put Jebediah Kerman in sketchier airplanes but not by much.
This has a USAF General's sweating fingerprints all over it. It screams "Farts and Darts".
If any company could pull off this madness today, it'd be SpaceX.
A SpaceX, Boom Overture, and Astro Mechanica collab for a fuel efficient LNG powered Griffith would be righteous. Hybrid electric, reminds me of some aircraft thing Elon hinted too a while back. That creative madness would be much appreciated by this realistic dreamer.
Imagine this flying g into an Aussie airport with the engines roaring
Unrealistic but amazingly inovative. Respect to the designers for their great imaginations
No it wasn't there were a ton of nonsense designs like this. Just because something was designed doesn't make it real. I can CAD up some nonsense planes that doesn't make them innovative nor should I deserve any respect.
Great job on your channel, I always look forward to your videos!
Okay, who the hell teleported a Speed-Freek Ork from 40K, gave it an unlimited supply of super-cocaine and then allowed it access to an aeronautical drawing board?
You mean paper? This literally was never a thing. You are getting duped by ancient aliens level of nonsense. Just because you have never heard about something doesn't mean you start listening and believing everything about it.
Since we have Griffith plane, then where's the Guts plane?
Griffith: just in case the Concorde didn't cause enough noise pollution
Im glad thats not Griffith the fifth, fiftyfith anniversary of his fifth creation, ah yes griffith the fifth.
Still my favorite RUclipsr who talks about airplanes ❤️
That's literally a spaceship. A grand proof of concept. Maybe easier to develop again some time soon with less cost and more practicality. It feels more designed for upper-atmospheric travel, with the bonus of easy VTOL... Maybe once we colonise the moon or mars.... this concept will reappear as the moon/mars Taxi! Still be super expensive to R&D at present times.
it’s 1am. i have to be up in 6 hours for college. i was just about to go to bed. but found and explained just posted a new video. i am now no longer going to bed
lol
Lol, I hear you
And you are also wasting time writing a comment to get attention... what is wrong with your head?
Some very cool engineering, but 68 gas turbine jet engines? Sounds like a maintenance nightmare. You'd have to stagger the engine maintenance to the point it lived inside the hanger!
A passenger plane with no windows would be hard to sell
I think the 2 hours from new york to london would sell it.
Love your content!!! I was wondering if you could cover the goofy XF-85 Goblin?
This is one of the most awesome bad ideas I've ever seen. Batshit crazy- definitely. Overly ambitious, check. But it is bold and adventurous, with so many cool design touches. If the Nic Cage movie "Prisoners of the Ghostland" were an airplane it would be the Griffith VTO
Imagine if that was a VTOL Bomber
Yeah, just imagine
Average Space Engineers ship
It sounds neat, but the ticket prices would probably be outrageous.
Oh my god, this is the x jet
Takeoff and landing was going to be loud.
Minimizing traveling time is vastly overrated. Today where you can do business from a plane thanks to satelite internet even far more than in the seventies. Just make sure that your passengers are feeling good and can keep themselves busy.
Supersonic flying craft are great, especially if without boom. Mach 2.5 may not be necessary for civilian commercial or private flights given the points you have made. Enjoying and being productive on the journey. This VTOL craft is gorgeous though.
That is arguably too many jet engines
Clearly, 67 is obviously optimal, but 68? Madness.
It failed because it is missing one more giant engine in the middle making it 69 engines! Hurray for odd symmetry!
Always a big one in the middle when you have two pylons on the wings.
This jet will be made in the future. Something like it that is. Just an electric hybrid one. Tilt powered craft are the future!
Crazy how far ahead of its time it was. We would still struggle to make it. Yet active flow control is being worked on now by NASA.
If they wanted the plane to be fast, they could’ve just painted it Red. Cause everybody knows Red makes anything go faster
@@dx-ek4vr Obviously, why else would Lightning McQueen be so fast?
"We have the technology today. We could do it . . ."
i swear the uk never advanced past english electric lightning doctrine and only knows how to put more skinny turbojets on eveything. prob were so happy to add 1 extra engine to the tri star
Needs Thunderbirds March
Sounds a lot like the starship in some ways 2:20
There was also a VTOL Proposal for a Vulcan with Skybolts or similar being the payload
If it takes me where I want to go fast I need no windows. Honestly I would be fine in any airplane without windows, I do not want to look out and just see murky clouds and depressing vistas of urban concrete jungles. If I want a leisure sightseeing flight I will get either on a heli or a blimp.
Now this plane smells of engineers inhaling coffee mixed with coke or injecting it straight to their brains. Its both awesome and terrifying, and now I am going to see if someone is willing to make one in Flyout because I suck at making replicas in that game.
Hell, with modern tech, the "no windows" issue can be circumvented with rear projection screens on the interior walls and cameras safely mounted in the external hull.
there are dozens of these 'VTOL lifting engine' paper proposals from the UK. They were promoted by Rolls Royce for its lift jet. Nobody ever adopted the concept for a production plane, there were a few experimental projects but the idea of a military or commercial plane should waste capacity carrying around engines used for a few minutes is risible. The Soviet Yakovlev VSTOLs used such only because they had no other way to create a VSTOL plane and these had abysmal performance.
There were also suggestions, notably promoted by Shorts Bros, the makers of the SC1 shown in the video at 8:05, that a separate 'lifting platform aircraft for conventional planes to ride and take off on. Rolls dropped the idea when they acquired the Bristol Siddeley Engine company with its Pegasus vectored thrust engine applied successfully to the Harrier family of aircraft.
the passengers would sue for compensation, due to the deafness caused by all those engines. lol
If something would happen to this aircraft the Thunderbirds 1 and 2 would come rescue it.😅
this has more engines than the amount of Mauses made
Yeah, Right
Star Wars vibes
"how long will it take to get to london again?"
"about two hours."
"and how many hours of fuel does it have at that speed?"
"One."
Imagine the smoke coming out of rolls royce these engine
Really love the smooth lines of this design!
If only they'd have stuck with normal take off and landing, this could have become even more feasible.
Funny concept to melt away the concrete of the airports. I thought the CL-704 was crazy with its 15 jet engines (I built 2 models of it in 1:72), but this one tops it at all.
It looks so cool.
These are so great to watch.
🔴 video on ka -90 Russian helicopter concept
4:05 You're gonna make a CGI Course, Amazing!
where did you find the information about this plane?
It looks so awesome!
Real question is
Why so serious?
I think all that "lead on everything" was really helping people think outside the box back in the 1950's.
Sounds like a Blackbird, vtol, passenger variant. Just a little slower.
Maintenance could be an issue.
Can you take a look at the Sukhoi S-33 Izdeliye Project?
Seems to be the father of the J-10 and FC.1 and seems to have a brother with the name of Produkt 41
And how did they make those fuel lines swivel accordingly with the outer engines, without stretching, twisting, breaking etc? I don't think it would be the same as with, let say, a brake caliper hose: just by giving it certain amount of length.
This video made me remember i have vtol vr
You can place windows atop of it!
whats best one big engine or lots of whittle ones?
LOL... yeah... with the fuel fraction and the specific impulse of turbojets of that thing it'll be lucky to make it from London to Dublin before running out of fuel.
The shock wave rig occupies the entire nose of the plane.
Where where else could the Radar have been located?
Any ideas?
Exhaust cone of the shockwave rig, kinda like Lightning has it?
Star wars aaah plane
Crazy to think that this things existence means Concorde was a relatively reasonable idea.
2 choking, 2 smoking, 2 turning, 2 burning, 2 unaccounted for, 2 snoring, 2 pumping, 2 slaying, 2 balling, 2 dripping, 2 fuming...
Cool imagine doing oils on it. You'd spend hours just filling oils on a turn.
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Is this any relation to the rig they proposed to lift TSR-2 in vertical takeoff? That thing was a delta with an enormous number of engines.
god tell you what it very might be related! same builders!
I love all the whimsical shit that was conjured up on the 50’s lol
Rolls-Royce engineers were asked to come up with a way to fulfil a year's worth of engine orders with one plane
Do a clip about mirage iiiv plz.
Holy Fireflash, Batman!
Its the tr3b passenger variant
The British Empire invented a Star destroyer . It has begun.
Thunderbirds
imagine the noise
Will you do a video on EKIP?
Do you have a works cited for this channel?
you should make a video covering some of the more cursed sherman variants like the calliope or mine clearers
There's no way it could carry enough fuel for that many engines raising the plane vertically and then cruising at supersonic speeds.
Thunderbirds are go!
*inhales *
GRIIIIIFFFFFIIIIIIIIIIIITTHH
(Berserk reference in case you still havent known actual modern art)
OG author is Kentaro Miura, RIP
this looks like it belongs in a sci-fi movie.
It's a flying fortune.
Doubt it get mass produced.