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It took 55 minutes to describe how everything went wrong. To realize it was only five minutes of time for them is chilling. Thank you, Peter for all the work that you do bringing this knowledge to aviators in civilians throughout the world. God bless these people and their family.
The opposite situation is when you look at ship collisions and disasters such as the Torrey Canyon that play out agonisingly slowly while people look on unable to do anything about it.
@MentourPilot needs a grammy. Nobody in modern times has done more to educate the general public on aviation. I've learned so much from him over the years.
They are sometimes abit too technical for me to understand completely but I do like the simpler explanations he gives afterwards as I can better understand those :) - im one of those people who don’t really have an interest in flying bc I’m scared of it. So theese explanations of what happened and why it went wrong are actually quite calming :)
I personally have a theory in connection with this flight, especially concerning the food they ate: What struck me is that the captain didn't just say the food was bad or he felt sick, he asked if there was weed in it. He also implied that those symptoms happened *after* he ate the food, not during. He was most likely experiencing neurological symptoms like mania, nausea or even mild hallucinations/psychosis. Now it would be news to me that it was common in Lebanon to mix weed into foods, and even if, the active ingredient, THC, should've been mostly out of their system by this point. However there is one condition that does happen after eating a certain type of spoiled food which does produce neurological as well as gastrointernal symptoms: Ergotism. Especially since the alkaloids from ergot poisoning compound on top of sensory stimuli instead of replacing them. The noise and light from the thunderstorm, the high intensity of the takeoff procedure, being stimulated by hundreds of lights and indicators on the screens could kick a mild ergot poisoning into overdrive. It's not provable for sure, but given what has happened I don't think it's that unlikely that either just the captain or perhaps both him and the FO were suffering from ergotism on this flight.
Isn’t ergotism really rare though? Not a doctor but I was under the impression people stopped regularly getting ergotism like hundreds of years ago when we got better at food storage.
@@welcometohell2495 It is pretty rare nowadays but I actually had a really similar case in my family. My mother used to be a flight attendant for Lufthansa and back in the early 90s the FO on a flight from Karachi to Frankfurt had some mild dizziness, but nothing too severe. In flight he started getting some very serious sensory impairments and hallucinations which prompted them to do an emergency landing in Tehran, were doctors actually confirmed ergot poisoning as the cause. Luckily nothing bad happened since either the FO wasn't pilot flying, or he handed controls to the Captain as soon as he realised something was wrong, but the description my mother gave me of the event is so similar that this immediately came to mind!
Fun fact the Salem witch trials was caused by mass ergotism throughout the community from their tainted rye fields. Everyone decided those ladies were witches because they were tripping
One thing I constantly forget while watching your videos, is that there are passengers who have no idea whats happening, and complete faith in the pilots. Such scary moments, I am glad that I cannot even imagine.
That was one of my comments as well. At one point, the plane was nearly upside down. The passengers and crew must have been absolutely terrified those 5 chaotic minutes.
Honestly it sounds to me like the first officer might have also been incapacitated. If he was fully aware of what was going on at some point you would think he would have cried out in sheer terror even if he was 100 confident that the captain was doing all he could. The fact that he rode that plane silently into the sea without even an "Oh shit" says to me he didn’t fully know what was going on either.
It seems so obvious to me that they must have been drugged; not necessarily in their food, but maybe in something they drank, and for completely unknown reasons. The comparison to weed is so telling if true, because (for me at least) certain amounts of that also make me feel like my thinking and reactions are normal until it becomes obvious via external cues that they are anything but.
That initial conversation makes me feel that they may have been sufficiently impaired to be unable to determine that they were too impaired to fly safely
But my understanding is that they were functioning reasonably normally during takeoff prep. Is there any evidence that cognitive impairment from food poisoning can suddenly kick in without any other symptoms such as vomiting or other gastrointestinal signals?
@@maxm2639at least for me, if I’m impaired I can do simple tasks just fine, but when more complex actions are required then it becomes obvious I’m impaired.
Either that or whatever was in that food took a bit longer to really hit them hard. I've been in cases where I've started working for six or more hours a little impaired from bad food. Only to suddenly have it hit the point of no return and end up totally jacked for the next day fully impaired.
I think you're right. It happens to me that after more than an hour of not feeling well I start to realize what's going on, fortunately when it happens I'm usually at home doing nothing and not flying a plane 😢😢
When I was in the RAAF the pilots were not allowed to eat the same meal or even from the same place. It's a hassle but understandable. Great video mate, keep them coming.
Interesting rule, as it completely makes sense. But from my own experience (in another military), a flight crew or Sqn pilots all want to stick together on a night out and go to the same bar together. I couldn’t imagine ours not eating in the same place, however some rules are less enforced than others 😉
I understand the basis of this rule. But what they’re not getting with this rule is that a lot of that food all starts in the same warehouse. Say that pilot A is having a salad at restaurant A and pilot B is having a taco at restaurant B. The lettuce all came from the same warehouse/distributor. So if the lettuce is contaminated with E. coli, all of the pilots are still going to get sick.
MentourPilot mentioned that cabin crew serve pilots two different meals to minimize the risk of food poisoning. Unfortunately this does not apply the same way to the food they have off the airplane, and I agree -- that's disturbing to say the least.
@@ramb1914 ya... And all water has been through something Else. Ever recycled. The thing you ignore is the the human contact in delivery. Cook at restaurant A has a highly contagious flu and the guy at B don't.
The captain was a family friend. RIP for those who lost their lives. We appreciate the hard work you put in to put together these high-quality contents.
@@lisaschuster686 Yeah, usually in cases like these there's always a bad training history, rough personality, or something. Both of these guys were pretty much top notch. They were definitely ill from food poisoning, or drugged in some way.
I had watched Air Crash Investigation as a kid. And have been following Peter since the days he sat on a couch with his 2 dogs to the current set of videos rivaling any documentary I saw on National Geographic Channel. This channel has come a long way A sincere thanks from an aviation enthusiast from India
That's a strange accident. Finding food at irregular hours in unfamiliar locations was always a weakness in the safety system imo, during my career. Pilot nutritional 'opportunities' should routinely be considered during these 'off duty' hours of a layover. I always carried a 'cup-o-noodles' and other snack food as a final backup plan when nothing else was available.
@@peterdieleman303In 1975, those recommendations came around after nearly 200 people got sick on a Japan Airlines flight. Fortunately, the pilots had ordered steak dinners instead of breakfast omelettes and were able to make an emergency landing.
Can I just say, despite the subject of most of your videos, you've actually helped get me over some of my fears of flying. By showing these accidents and how to happened and the steps taken to prevent them you've really shown how rare they are and just how much has to go wrong for anything to happen. Also gaining an understand of how the aircraft work and allot of the systems and backups in place helps as well.
I’m an Ethiopian that grew up in Beirut because my mother was the area manager for Ethiopian Airlines. I remember hearing about the crash when I woke up in the morning and the amount of screams my mother let out, my father running around making phone calls it was surreal! Thank you so much for creating this story, I’ve been an avid watcher for a long time! It would be amazing if you could another one on ET302 as well.
@@rara-wg3qs She worked for the airline, the aircraft crashed where she was based. She may have had loyalty for the airline, so it's no surprise she acted that way.
Recently, at work (software), a team has implemented sound cues to the project they work on. I told them we should also have visual cues because when we are under stress, our brain does not process sound cues alone well enough. They argued, and I told them the story of the Airbus redesigning the Stall alarm after the AF447 by adding visual cues. We are now having them in the product.
At some point, any warning system can simply become part of the 'sensory overload.' I wonder, as a pilot, if we couldn't have a 'visual' indicator of aircraft attitude that is so fundamentally recognizable that we instinctively react, without having to think. For example. What if the 'blue' sky and 'green/brown' earth were projected across the entire instrument panel? Would that create an intuitive sense of where the horizon is that requires no 'thinking?' ...
@@gcorriveau6864 In today's AI environment this would be a no-brainer. Using a nice livery graphic and some GPS coordinates, a reasonable resolution image of the aircraft position relative to ground, horizon and sky would be very achieveable. Kind of worrying I've not heard of this being looked at already.
Heavily agree, sound can easily add to confusion. It needs needs NEEDS to be noticble but not over power other potential warning sounds while not distracting from the situation which is very difficult. Visual indicators are always better since as long as you put them in different places they won't have the same issues, use that with a TEMPORARY sound or touch focused indicator and that's how you alert someone.
@gcorriveau6864 I agree the others who mention AI. I think soon enough the pilots will have a full AI assistance including the monitor projecting their plane's position, altitute and attitude, and other info in real time akin to videogames.
My gf gifted to me a flight lesson for my 25th birthday some years ago on a light craft with an instructor. 7 years later that same instructor suffered a mid-air collision with the same aircraft carrying a passenger during a similar training flight. They both died along the two occupants of that other plane. I had the same experience of tracking the plane down, going to the instructors social media to see all the condolences and have the chilling realization a lot of what we take for granted can be taken away at the whim of a mistake or an error, our own or someone else's. Cheers and thanks for the quality content!
When i first started flying, a guy i was working for had a few planes & said go use the 182 if you wanna get your license. Well i flew that plane for about 3 hours, my boss decided to take it out for a flight one weekend & lost both mags as he was coming in on final. Scared me pretty good realizing that could've been me. But I eventually got back into it knowing that you train for situations like that.
It is time that this show receives a major Media Award. This is the best TV show on the planet, even without people screaming etc. And we all learn something in every video at the same time. Graphics and VFX and audio are outstanding. Well done, Petter and team.
As a pilot myself, this was one of your hardest videos to watch. Every single pilot action compounding to a disaster, so many opportunities to have saved the flight and none was taken advantage of. May they all rest in peace.
If there was a physical ailment there was no real action that could have saved them. Unless they could have rested what ever was wrong off in the short time pilot input was needed it seems like a virtually impossible scenario for the pilots if you ask me. Unless they had two spare pilots in the back i really can't see a way they could have got out of this, they were impaired clearly by their weird actions and inputs they showed.
i'm not a pilot at all, never even played microsoft flight simulator... This one was frustrating to watch because it just felt like they took no positive action whatsoever, and everything they did compounded issues further. Feels like they didn't even try...The food poisoning for sure is the reason. It's not that they wouldn't take action. *they couldn't* idk if being a pilot it just becomes routine for you or you are alert on edge the whole time... but maybe it's good to never get complacent, never take it lightly? Idk maybe you could speak to the psychology of being a pilot better than me.. I just know I would not attempt flying while sick like that. Maybe they thought muscle memory would just take care of it.
@@jvogler_art4708 After you drive a car for years, you start doing things automatically, you can't force yourself to be on alert all the time. That's why there are procedures, to keep basic things in check.
@@jvogler_art4708 It sounds like at least the captain, probably also the first officer were experiencing neurological symptoms - slowed reaction time, inability to gain situational awareness, possibly altered sensory experiences as well. One symptom that wasn't (couldn't be) mentioned but is common with those that were is altered self-perception. Someone who is usually reasonable and knows when they need a break might not even notice their perception is off and their actions are irrational, like taking their clothes off while freezing to death. People experiencing manic episodes or hallucinations often refuse treatment because they are convinced they're acting rationally, and I'm assuming most of us know how hard it can be to convince drunk people to give it a rest and drink some water. They knew they slept badly, but if they were convinced they were fully alert that wouldn't have been enough to call in sick.
I had once boarded a plane with food-poisoning. I did not know it at that time and since it was inter-continental flight I lay down and watched some movies and ate the dinner (not the source of the food poisoning). I've tried to sleep, but despite my dizziness and desire to sleep I couldn't sleep for any length of time. When I went to the bathroom I have passed out, which is when I called the flight attendant and started managing the situation. The thing is that with the exception of the dizziness and inability to sleep I was not wanting to throw or did not have any other usual symptoms of food poisoning. I was being monitored for the rest of the flight to out destination (wasn't that far from it and since I was feeling stable I requested that they continue there). Just moments after the cabin door were opened I started throwing up. After I was finished throwing up I was taken to hospital and just had a low fever and sleep deprivation and was immediately discharged. Based on my experience I think the pressurization suppressed the main symptoms, but caused another set of symptoms to manifest. That would be consistent with the pilots being pretty much fine during the briefing, but then getting worse after pressurization and take-off.
So I live in Lebanon, specifically on the mountain range east of Beirut, on the side facing Beirut. This means that I can see the airport and every plane that comes in and out. I’ve been watching these planes whenever I can since I was a child and I always wondered if I’d ever seen an aircraft’s last moments. It’s always something in the back of your mind when you know how easily things can go wrong. It’s crazy to hear about this now and it really gives perspective on these types of situations. I am currently a Mechanical Engineer student, hoping to master in Aerospace Engineering, and I might end up working on the same tarmac these pilots last touched. It’s wild to think about. Just an FYI, food poisoning was not that uncommon in Lebanon in the early 2010s but the people have been pushing for stricter rules in restaurants and nowadays it’s just as common as anywhere else, if not less.
Sounds to me the first officer too suffered from subtle incapacitation given that he did not intervene and did not respond to the captain after a clear ask for help. He may have been so confused and terrified with everything that was happening, the noise, the g-forces, the rain, pitch black outside, stick shaker, bank angle warnings etc. that he was totally overwhelmed and that he simply froze. Very sad story indeed.
I think the high stress and whatever intoxicant he had in his system made him feel like he was in a nightmare and wasn't sure if it was really happening... I can imagine him expecting to wake up as the plane was about to crash 🫣
I am from Kenya neighbouring country to Ethiopia. Let me take this chance to thank you for your commendable hard work you put out here to educate us and expand our knowledge. You are my favourite pilot. Salute 🫡
This reminded me of the food poisoning I had after eating at a Middle Eastern restaurant. Good restaurant, popular, great reviews, great food, nothing tasted off. The next day, it hit me out of the blue: dizziness, vertigo, and disorientation. I could not even walk from one room to another, much less function in any other way. Lasted for 24 hours, then I was as good as new. Never figured out what happened. I can see how something like that could end really badly in a different situation.
According to other comments it could be either ergot poisoning or (more likely) nutmeg poisoning. Apparently too much nutmeg/not being cooked properly can give you these kinds of symptoms.
@UnimportantAcc the amount of nugmet needed would be really high, wouldn't it? Since I have been distracted and gone a bit overboard with it in my own cooking (to the point it tasted weird) and I've been completely fine, Idk
Do you have naturally low blood pressure? I do and whenever I eat Middle Eastern Food, which is often high in garlic, I get dizzy and sometimes pass out. Garlic can lower your blood pressure significantly and if it’s already on the low side, may be enough to make you feel very ill
I’m Lebanese and live near the airport on the mountain ranges you described so I can clearly see the whole airport from my window, I love watching planes come and go, and this flight has always been so interesting to me, for it happening here and the lack of information about it, I’ve went on deep dives trying to learn more about this case on multiple instances but there would always be no information about it - especially on RUclips so it was definitely a shock when I clicked on this video and you said beirut! Glad you made this video, it was beyond informative and amazing to watch, thank you
I work as a Custom officer, I really have huge respect for every pilot... Thank you for your time and effort for every video you do, You really inspired me at least have knowledge about flying, can you do a video about Saudia Flight 763 it really interesting
There is no channel that comes close to this class of masterful storytelling, building the plot, providing all the technical details and doing this all in a respectful and informative way. Kudos, MP!
Thank you Petter for this upload. Perhaps a trivial thing, but i really appreciate your wording when you mention if the viewers found the video interesting instead - as some say - if they enjoyed it. For me, it shows respect to the seriousness of the subject and those who might personally relate to it.
Wow, everyone did you see that? @robski8604 agrees⅞ with and even showed he knew where humane behavior occurred in the video. You deserve an award don't you think?
I’ve actually been more situational aware since watching your channel. It’s been 1.5 years since I’ve seen the first video and my life has changed forever: always know your surroundings
Discord crew here. I'm a student pilot and in school as an Airframe & Powerplant mechanic. I'm perpetually grateful for the information in this channel and your team putting this story together. One of my first mechanic instructors gave us a sobering reminder that "if you work in aviation, you will at some point know someone that will be involved in a crash of some type." While I feel very honored and excited to be able to learn how to aviate and maintain aircraft, I'm appreciative of videos like this that remind us that aviation is a very serious business. It's very easy to become complacent, excited by the miracle of flight, and lean on the long history of safety that has improved over the last 100+ years. However, I'm also thankful that you point out human factors like in this case how the biggest hole of the swiss cheese may have been that tthese pilots could have had some kind of food poisoning. Other than low-time with this type of aircraft, they really seemed qualified to be flying it. :-/ Anyway, fantastic video, and thank you for sharing it, especially because it affected Petter on such a personal level.
@@MentourPilotGlad to hear this Petter. You know my experience with MH having founded a global mental health org and unfortunately what the public know doesn’t even scratch the service of the problems that exist with BetterHelp. Their small and fine print is still terrible and states that they cannot guarantee the therapists are qualified and that it’s your responsibility to verify them prior to any sessions. Yes the onus is on you to verify the therapist you booked is actually a qualified therapist. As well as the misleading/lying claims that they only office remote sessions and making it seem like all therapists work in-office only. Many offer telephone/video sessions like BetterHelp. It’s good to see you choose the right thing over money, as I’m well aware of how much they offer to promote them as given my background in MH, praise and award from Her Majesty The Queen with my accolade from her for ‘Services to the United Kingdom (mental health)’ and many brands/companies often don’t come close to how much BetterHelp is throwing at creators. I’ve always decline to work with them because of my morals and being fortunately enough that I don’t need their money.
As a Physician, I must admit that the possibility of a food poisoning usually drives to diarrhea, vomiting, abdominal cramps and in that, there's no reason for the Captain to have not recognized his incapacitation. But usual intoxication due to the presence of toxins in the food causes rather short but strong symptoms, barely lasting longer than 6-8 hours after the ingestion. The most probable result would have been the captain calling a disease leave and staying in his hotel even though his main symptoms have relented already the next morning, however, the malaise due to the loss of electrolytes in vomits and diarrhea persists several hours later. A gastrointenstinal infection due to bowel proliferation of bacteria present in the food would have had a longer latency; from 24 hours to 1 week even and even longer, sometimes. So, at the time of boarding the plane, pilots would feel right or almost right still. If something was in the food, maybe it wasn't a bacterial toxine; it looks more probable a fungus intoxication. Fungi might be present in some exotic food and some species are quite hard to differentiate among themselves. Some toxic variants are easily picked up as mushrroms and can cause severe disease. Why I think so? Captain had no clue of any metabollic disease which could cause subtle incapacitation symptoms at a terminal phase. No alcohol nor drugs intake is believed in last 12 hours. Captain was perfectly right 12 hours before. The only out-of-place data on which we count on is the insomnium both pilots experienced. Fungi can initiate symptoms hours after their intake and include agitation, some strands can cause hallucination, severe alterations in the cognitnion, excitement; others dizziness and drowniness. Lately, the toxins can generate neurological and hepatotoxic disease that can be severe and even lethal. I guess your intuition about the food is right. I think a vital trail was lost in the investigation by not asking witnesses about where and what did they eat that night. It is very probable that in Medical registers there are cases of fungal intoxication from a restorant that very night in Beirut. However, today Beirut is a war zone with all what it implies... However, the idea is there whenever peace comes back in. Have a grateful December and may Love an Peace fill up your home and family. God Bless You All🌲🌲🌲🌲🌲🌲
Yup, even just a regular (not so regular if you ask me) case of food poisoning should have been enough to have made him call dispatch. I recently had food poisoning from eating a not so good octopus (I’m a student pilot) and it started having effect around 3 hours after I ate it. I have NEVER felt so horrendous in my entire life. Nor have I ever vomited this much ever. The stomach ache and the vomiting every 30 minutes made me unable to sleep. Not to mention the diarrhea too, I was almost between the toilet and the sink at literally any given moment. It was not fun. I had to go fly around with my brother that day, I told him I couldn’t. I was quite literally incapacitated. I didn’t want to talk, I could barely walk, I wasn’t thinking straight, my head was hurting… I just can’t imagine how exactly those pilots felt and still somehow managed to think they could do it. I’d rather get fired, seriously, than let myself put myself and so many others in danger.
@@lisaschuster686 I wasn’t hallucinating, I was with my mom the whole time and I was fully conscious. Since we shared a hotel room because we traveled, and she wanted to sleep, the light was really dim in the bathroom and dark in the room but I could navigate fine. I just felt weak in the sense that I didn’t have the strength to think much. I could only think about going back home but it was more like a loop of “I gotta go home”. Didn’t hallucinate, I was just out of it. And it lasted like I think around 11 hours, so around 5-6 vomiting sessions (that’s so funny written out) and like 4-5 trips to the bathroom. Then for around 12 hours I just took the smallest sips of water (to not puke) and a soup (again, really small eating intervals) and just general recovery. After that I was fine though.
@ My sister abruptly became very allergic to scallops. Thirty “sessions” of painful vomiting, then hospitalization. Most people would never eat scallops again, right? But she wanted to find out if she really was allergic to them!!!
New sub here! I am not a pilot nor do I have any association with aircraft or airports outside of the occasional trip back home or vacation. I AM, however, so incredibly interested in how planes work and the mechanics behind flying; especially in the event of an emergency. I have probably watched hundreds of videos on air craft disasters but have not discovered your channel until this very moment. You, my friend, have the VERY BEST videos about aircraft disasters I have ever watched! I have learned sooooo much more in this very first video I am watching from your channel then all the other videos combined! You have a wonderful way of explaining technical terms, actions, etc and it makes it so incredibly easy to understand and follow along, PLUS it is so well made. Thank you for all of the hard work that I know goes into creating these videos for RUclips. I can't wait to get home and binge on a few more before bed! So glad the algorithm is finally on my side!
I can relate to this. I used to maintain 737 for BA back in the 90s. Years later my aircraft featured in one of your videos once it had been sold on to another carrier. Such a weird feeling that one of the aircraft you spent every working day keeping safe, then killed 108 people with Adam Air.
An interesting little side story with this aircraft which doesn’t relate to its days with Adam Air, but might make an interesting video for Petter and his amazing team to cover one day (if they haven’t already)…… If my memory serves me correctly NNL and a handful of other ex Dan Dare 737-400s came in for some ad-hoc maintenance once BA had taken them on. The aircraft themselves were slightly hybrid as they weren’t ’true’ -400s but a combination of -300/400. The work package was odd in that various random parts were being replaced totalling about £1.5m per aircraft. Apparently the parts were suspected to be bogus, or had no traceable history with the correct paperwork nowhere to be found. These parts were removed and then sent to the CAA but we never heard the outcome. However I was told that the fake parts problem is so bad that parts have even been found on the US Presidential aircraft. I wonder how the situation is in Russia with all of the western aircraft they still have flying around?
@@nimedave Didn't hear they got on the presidential command planes, only that they got into the FAA's own warehouses . As for Russia and Iran, the loss of the Iranian president was commonly reported as possibly related to Iran's inability to get western spare parts legally since 1979 ,
@@grahamstevenson1740 Garuda lost their license to fly into EU airspace for a bit. Indonesia was actually left without a carrier able to fly to a EU member until 2018.
Thank you for the amazing content and detailed storytelling. As an Ethiopian, I really appreciate the effort you've put into this. I'm starting my flight training soon, and I'm confident that your videos will be helpful along the way. The amount of aviation knowledge I'm gaining isn't just impressive. Keep up the great work! Tack så mycket! ;)
Once I suffered from vertigo caused by food poisoning. I got up from the bed and very nearly fell over - I had to hold on to the wall to keep from falling off the earth.
I know how it feel as it happened to me a few times so bad I passed out. Once I was still able to called my wife over and I simply fell on the floor (from the toilet seat) for a minute or so; another time I was having a flu, got up in the morning, walked a few steps and the last thing I remember was I know I was going out rapidly and tried to rush back to my bed. I woke up seeing the world around me at 45 degrees tilted! Took me probably half a minute to slowly waking up, it turned out when I fell I probably grabbed the full length standing mirror and it landed on top of me, gave me that 45 degrees tilted vision, lucky that it wasn’t shattered! Watching this episode gave me the chill. I could almost imagine the pilot trying his very best to understand what was happening around him, yet he felt like stuck in a bad fever dream, nothing making sense to him. He only vaguely remembered how to fly, dropping out of consciousness momentarily.
And now imagine being the pilot of a 737, sitting in the front row of the aircraft with hundred people back in the cabin who depend with their lifes on your ability to fly this thing. - I very much think that it is this what happened to these two pilots.
@@NicolaW72 Indeed! Watching this episode also reminded me some of my weird fever dream when I was driving and couldn't see the road clearly, the steering wheel isn't responding, yet I was still going full speed and not knowing did I hit anyone
@@NicolaW72 all pilots learn to not trust their inner ear. This was instrument conditions. If anything feels wrong, eyes on the artificial horizon, wings level, normalize angle of attack, normalize speed. Aviate, Navigate, Communicate. These pilots missed the first step. I really cannot understand this accident.
@@thehighwayman78 food poisoning affects your directional awareness, the speed of your reactions and your reasoning, it's unfortunate but it is understandable
Absolutely brilliant! No air incident Investigation program has ever been so detailed, so gripping, educative and yet so respectfully non-dramatised! Thank you Petter for a fantastic program!
It is such a pleasure to watch a video put together by an expert and someone who took time and pride in getting the content correct. So many videos are crap. Yours are always very professional in content and presentation.
Oof seeing at the start how it looks when you're following the flight director really helps drive home how much it unravels as the flight goes on and those little lines are nowhere near the rectangle. The way the simulator footage helps us understand both the aircraft and the situation of the pilots is so important ❤ The graphic at 35:30 is really effective especially... I've had exactly that kind of visual disturbance when I've felt really ill before and the thought of that feeling coming over you in the captain's chair of an airliner is so terrifying. I can't imagine how it would've felt for you, looking into this and realising you'd sat in that seat. Also, I can't express enough how much I appreciate the way you deal with differentiating info from the final report and your own opinions and theories. Your insight is so valuable, and even more so because you're so clear about when you're giving it. Thank you for always dealing with these incidents with so much respect and empathy ❤
Wow, another feature-length Mentour video! I think I speak for many viewers when I say how impressed I am that, despite being 2x or 3x in length, these feature-length deep dives more than live up to the fantastic Mentour quality that we've come to know and love on this channel! Thank you, Petr!
Petter, as a pretty consistent viewer of your content - when I heard that the first initial conversation between the pilot and first officer surrounded not feeling well and being “sick” I instantly remember the Air India incident video in which you revealed that the pilot hid the fact that he was on medication. My heart sank a little bit - partially remembering that fatalities were involved in the Air India incident and that companies subject their crews for health checkups, and require a certain amount of adequate rest before and after flying for this reason. You content has helped me to appreciate the work the industry does in learning from incidents like these and time and effort crews go through to ultimately transport regular people like me to work, on vacations or back home.
It doesn't. Mini Air Crash Investigation would have told the exact same story with the exact same amount of details in ten minutes or so. This is just angling for more ad time.
It’s for education purpose. I hate watching long videos but because my mind is into aviation I find it helpful and I have learnt a lot of things. So a video of this type has its audience. I am glad I am learning a lot from his videos.
@@tholo86 Kind of disagree that 'he makes it sound like an hour'. The time stamps are shown and pointed out as the story is told. It is very clear if you are paying attention. He provides the detail behind what is happening. I personally like the way the information is presented, because it showcases how often pilots have very little time to react to so unbelievably many things in an emergency.
what always gets me is: i've worked in teams in dangerous jobs (not this dangerous, but dangerous enough) where people also don't like to ask for help, but it seems like it's forbidden for a captain to say "brother i'm i a pinch here can you help me out i don't understand something". or for the first officer to say "my dude is everything cool there? need a hand?" people would rather die than ask for help sometimes. literally
I am a pilot in Ethiopian, I also think that the only reason why the f/o did not try to do smt is because of the military themed hierarchy that existed back then. You open your mouth and offend u might be terminated for no reason.
@@Kb-yb7ot Interesting theory, but it breaks down when the Captain literally asked the FO to help him......but no action of any kind followed. Further, the fact that he had no audible response to the plane hurtling toward the sea-no gasps, no exclamations-also says that there was more going on here than trying to keep his job. I think he was at least as incapacitated as the Captain by the time things got dangerous.
@@edifyguy Rather than meaning to just keep his job, it's a psychological thing. However, I personally think that the FO may have been frozen knowing that he was in a real life emergency that wasn't simulated this time. Also, when the captain asked the FO to just do something, it's not that forceful of an instruction at all, which would make sense if the FO was frozen in a type of shock in the situation. Not to mention that there were only seconds for the FO to respond for the captain's plea before they hit the ground.
Thanks for all the fine details. This just shows no matter how great a plane or flight crew you have, when you are that 'incapacitated' by something like a double health issue (food poisoning & no/bad sleep), they turn into 'zombies' with the first signs off serious problems. "Dizzy" "weed in the food?", these are instant signs of "STOP!", call for backup even though it causes a lot of "hassle" with your managers... yeah easily said, but a 100% understandable.
I recall my run-in with carbon monoxide while replacing instruments in a dope smuggler's airplane (we noticed that as we worked). I felt spacey in the first half hour and asked my boss - working beside me - if he felt okay. He said "yes" but later told me he thought he was having a stroke and didn't want me to be afraid to fly back with him. After 4 hours my headache was terrible and I thought I had the flu. He flew us back in his Cherokee. Mag drop test: left mag drop okay, right mag drop okay, both mags drop, oops! When I got home (bicycling from work) I told my wife about it and went to bed. In half an hour I couldn't stand it any more, so I was going to drive myself to the hospital. My wife drove me there, and when we arrived she had to tell me to walk toward the big building. Check! Four hours on O2 left me tired but otherwise okay. Bottom line: incapacitated people often don't admit to being incapacitated.
There is a lot of mentions about upset recovery, simulation scenarios and pilot schools in this video. I'd love to see more of all these topics. Maybe a video about the most difficult upset recovery in simulator? or some more backstage info about work as examiner? Anyway, I love how your channel developed and production value of each video went so much higher.
Food poisoning is no joke. In entertainment, "the show must go on". I was a supervisor/operator for a show, got food poisoning. *Chugged a bottle of Pepto over the next 4 hours, working with $250k worth of gear in/around millions of dollars of Ceremonial Police Motorcycles and 200' above the audience near the top of a stadium. Nausea, blurry vision and some induced vertigo - but got through the show! Passed out in the office after finishing paperwork (which was almost unreadable). *NEVER chug Pepto! The next few days SUCK!
I'm a teacher and I once had to go to work with food posioning. My 8th graders were spending that morning writing long essays for the first time (with me monitoring) and they had been really nervous for weeks. I knew that they wouldn't feel comfortable with a sub, so I dragged myself to school despite feeling absolutely awful. So, once I had handed out the papers the students just looked at me. One of them informed me that my face had turned green and then... oh dear, then I became violently ill in front of my poor students. I managed to catch almost all the vomit in my hands as I rushed to the bathroom but I probably fueled the students' nightmares for years. When I returned all students were sitting quietly and no one started working until they knew that I was at least not dying. So, for anyone considering a teaching career: avoid puking your guts out in front of the students. 0/10, do not recommend.
So, when I was learning to fly ultalights, our school had this one Rans S-6 that nobody liked to fly. There wasn't anything really wrong with it. It was just old and rattly and it had a bunch of annoying little gremlins. It also stank (literally stank. It was fabric covered). But then one day I heard it had crashed. Apparently the carbon fibre prop had delaminated shortly after takeoff while an instructor was up with a student. The landing options beyond the runway at that airfield were not great, and they still had some thrust, so the instructor decided to do a 180 and land back at the field. They almost made it, but they caught a wire right at the edge of the field. That wire was in a neighbouring farm, and didn't seem to have much purpose. The airfield owner believed it was a spite wire, but I don't really know. Anyway, they came down hard and the student got minor injuries. Instructor was fine. The airplane was _very_ bent. I saw it afterword and that airplane had become a sculpture. I don't blame the flight school. Like I said, the airplane had a bunch of gremlins, like elevator trim that wouldn't stay put, but nothing was really wrong with it, and it's very unlikely that a developing failure in a carbon fibre structure would be detectable just by looking at it or touching it. Months later, I'm in the office/shack, somewhat bored, and I see the logbook of that old Rans. Mildly curious, I turn to the last page and look at the very last entry, and my name is next to it. That prop failed on the very next flight. I missed that ride by less than an hour of engine time.
@@erwerer1425 A spite wire is like a spite house or a spite wall: A structure put up for the sole purpose of antagonizing a neighbour because of some grudge.
Did the person who owned the farm get into any trouble? Sounds like the plane would have landed okay if it weren’t for that wire so the person that set it should be held responsible I think
This young man [Mentour Pilot] does a masterful job in conveying storylines. He breaks down complex subject matter for the average person, clarifying with masterful precision. Thank you for all that you do in sharing your gift!
Maybe the First Officer was having the the worst freeze response of his life, never thinking he'd be in that situation and having resigned. Or perhaps he was too incapacitated. This entire situation was tragic, and my heart goes out to everyone lost in this tragedy. This was such a great yet sombre video, expertly crafted. Subscribed! ❤
@MentourPilot From a retired pilot. As an aid for pilots worldwide to become more aware and strive for even higher standards your programs are invaluable. I'm certain that you've had a positive impact on airline safety. I started flying in 1965 and was exposed to a very different world, so the transition from autocracy through the soooo important CRM training was an interesting timeline to have experienced. I'm 77 now. With gratitude - thank you, Petter.
@XRP747E Well said! I love the fact that so much well-researched & clearly presented information is now available freely to the industry in this way. Hopefully it helps contribute both to over-all safety culture & to individuals' learning and skills? I believe the valuable lessons drawn by Petter, Air Safety Institute, Green Dot Aviation, & other good disaster analysis channels are actually relevant across any industry! In my observation many of the factors around human psychology, systems design & effective comms are pretty universal, and tend to have similar effects on safety and risk management regardless of where one works. Re CRM, I can only imagine what a journey it must've been watching that change across your career! It seems as if back when you started, a very high proportion of pilots were ex-military (sometimes even ex-WWII) and had brought much of that hierarchical approach across with them?
I remember when you were still a baby channel and we emailed back and forth even ; w ; I am so happy always seeing how you get so larger and recognized more Your videos getting even BETTER than they ALREADY were .... I have much respect for many youtube channels, yours is always on top in my opinion. Thank you always!
I have a similar feeling. I used to go on the Herald of Free Enterprise car ferry many times, when it sank I felt more of a connection with the incident, and I now use it in training courses ❤
Same with me and the Manchester Arena bombing. Was there at a show the night before, and then as the victims being named included some local people and students at my old college.
@MentourPilot, I felt sorry for reporting an accident that involved an aircraft you've personally flown. What hit me hard was the lines "the cockpit that I have been working has ended up in the sea floor". To lose something that had a sentimental value to you is truly heartbreaking, it's like lamenting on a part of you that was lost. But anyway, I love these content of yours, I've been binge watching them since I subscribed to your channels almost a year ago. Thank you for educating me through these kinds of content and keep them coming. Cheers to you! 😁
Peter, yet another great episode. I don't want to offend anyone, but I love hearing non native English speakers using terminology or sayings common in English. It means you have a full understanding of the language and have spent alot of time using it " Stranger things have happened". Keep up the good work.
Nah, you cool. I don't think anyone should be offended by your comment. There's nothing offensive about it. Anyone who is offended has some serious issues.
Damn. Realising that it was the same 738 you have flown before must've been quite a chilling moment. Letting that sink in would have not been easy. Also, I do think your work here, along with Disaster Breakdown and Green Dot Aviation videos, are much more insightful and useful than Mayday. No unnecessary drama, just honest analysis and report. All three of you are doing God's work in properly educating people about aviation safety.
A brilliant analysis of this tragic event. I always thought it was standard policy that a Pilot and FO never have the same meal before or during a flight but perhaps that only applies to food served in-flight?
Ironically, five years before the movie, there was a mass food poisoning on a Japan Airlines due to contaminated breakfast omelets that caused nearly 200 people to get sick. Fortunately, the pilots had ordered steak dinners instead due to their biological clocks still being on Alaska time. That allowed them to make an emergency landing and save everyone. That led to airlines starting to make sure crews and passengers be given different meals.
It is easy to say, "Wow, those Ethiopian pilots displayed poor airmanship!" or "I would never have done that!" But sometimes ill health combined with disorientation can cause a chain of events that leads to such tragic misfortune. My response instead is, "There go I but for the Grace of God." We have all been there. I have over 20,000 hours in the Boeing 737, but in your presence, Captain, I am a mere student. There is always so much to learn, and you are a very gifted instructor.
RIP to the 90 passengers on the plane😢, and I can't imagine what their families went through after this. At the same time, thank you Mentour for this yiu make every video with so much attention to detail it's something else!
My wife told me a long time about a book called The Gift of Fear, which as I recall had to do with paying attention when there are odd little warning signs, the type that in hindsight suggested you might have been in danger. It wasn't about flying, and I haven't read it, but I wonder if training might also emphasize more how offhand comments and slightly unusual feelings might be treated with a little more concern, sort of like what I call a little yellow light on the dashboard, and especially for people doing things flying aircraft, performing surgery, etc. Maybe it already is. What a sad story, but informative and as always beautifully and thoughtfully done. Thank you.
The Gift of Fear is about women who become victims of violence by men, and how to trust your instincts when someone feels sketchy (and not to trust things like your dog seemingly liking someone, as that doesn't mean the person is safe). But people are naturally far more attuned to observe latent aggression and malevolent intent than subtle incapacitation. While a lot of things seem like indications of something going wrong in hindsight, it becomes very difficult to operate in real life if you start to analyse every offhand comment and joke. And those suspectible to anxiety will tend to interpret harmless things as threatening, which isn't the end of the world if it means that you leave a date early because it felt off, but you can't really not fly everytime something feels remotely off. At what point you should start paying attention to something being off is a difficult balance.
@@vasilivh Honestly a thing I kind of wish more people would learn is just how bad peoples instincts actually is at detecting anything. Be it at dating or incapacitation. About the only real way to detect subtle incapacitation like this would be to have someone unrelated cross check actions based on a baseline record over a longish period of time.
@@moalboris239 agreed, a very strong instinctive feeling that something is dangerous should probably be heeded, but things can feel slightly off for a million reasons that have nothing to do with anything. Subtle incapacitation when you yourself are subtly incapacitated is probably completely undetectable, realistically speaking.
@@vasilivh Agree, hard to discern sometimes, whether you're being overly fearful or if your intuition is actually correct. Hence, it helps if you can become as self aware as possible about your own intuition and it's possible accuracy, or inaccuracy. We all have intuition. I had intuition for years that I was supposed to move from.the east coast of the US to the west. It was in the form of feeling like a cord was pulling me, a cord from my solar plexus area. I ignored it for years, and finally surrendered to it, moved to the west coast, and miraculous things happened. An aviation-related example of this is of soccer player Emiliano Sala, who had a bad feeling about the shoddy plane he was stepping into, on Jan 21, 2019, and even texted a friend something like he had a bad feeling... & not just about the shape of the airplane ... his intuition was talking to him. It would have behooved of him to act on it. Instead, he died that day (night?). The pilot debrief on the accident was fascinating, like all of these analyses are.
Trust me Sir, I have never got scared watching your videos, but this one was bone chilling. You voice, the continuous change of bank angles and pitch and the editing was picture perfect and the continuous rain uff. The first officer not responding in such a swrious situation, all together was a totally different experience to watch😮
Agree. Airliner is almost spinning, the pilots do nothing to fly fast enough, then here is something very very wrong. Why didn't they trim the elevator right?! THAT causes airspeed problems. A child knows that. But it went horribly wrong. The men must have been very ill.
Yes, absolutely, I agree. That was really spooky. This aircraft was working perfectly fine, it had no technical issues at all, right? But it crashed, just because it was mishandled by its pilots.
This is why we should call in sick when we are not feeling well. I wish companies were more lenient about sickness and wouldn't scrutinize their employees about staying home to recover.
In the 1960:s or 70:s(?) there was in Sweden an outbreak of some sort, don't readilly recall the bug causing it, but there is an interesting announcement made on TV(black&white) by the then doctor-in-lead, made at the end of an interview on the matter. The message is made quite clear. In translation: "If you feel ill, you should consider yourself a danger to society, and stay at home." "You should consider yourself a danger to society..." How many today, can motivate themselfs to do?
I got COVID early 2020, called in sick as hell and told my symptoms, then once I could actually walk I asked to stay home and quarantine, don't care if paid or not, I didn't want to spread it. The head of HR replied that company policy is doctor note after 3 days, get a note or be terminated. Since literally no doctor would see someone with my symptoms, a note was out of the question. So I finally replied that I would appear at work the next morning as required. They got a clue and told me to stay home a few days, but I was impressed how a large western tech company could have, and enforce, such a stupid policy.
I don't know about in Ethiopia, but generally airlines have a policy of not arguing with pilots saying they are unfit to fly. You don't have to be ill. It can just be that you slept badly and feel fatigued. You call and say you are unfit to fly and they replace you, no questions asked. I'm sure if you did that a lot they would do something - probably send you to an aviation medical examiner - but normally they make a point of not doing anything to discourage such calls.
Former resturaunt manager here. Food poising can be pretty scary and even insidious. Most folk (approx 75%) of people who experience flu like symptoms for just a day or two actually had food poisoning. At least here in the US. I don't know the statistics anywhere else. It also usually takes 12-24 hours to kick in for the most common kinds. Though chemical contamination can be faster, It's also less likely as such tends to be ovious at the cooking stage if not in the first bite or two. It also why resturuants have stacking order where riskier foods are on lower shelves so that a) they're kept a tad colder, and b) and drippage goes from least dangerous to most dangerous only having floor to drip on.
I strongly suspect that there is a good chance both pilots were suffering from subtle incapacitation. it would explain why the pilot monitoring was making routine responses, but not taking the initiative to assist in recovery. the particular evidence in my mind was the captain calling go around, and the first officer confirming; when they were nowhere near an appropriate situation for that callout.
Yeah that bizarre go around call cinched it for me too. These guys were out of their tree. Also responding to the bank angle warnings with "what is that?" was bizarre, although that might have been a response to something else.
I remember this night vividly. We were caught in that heavy storm on our way back from a night out downtown. Then got the news flash. It's always sad when those accidents happen. Thank you for an amazing analysis, I was waiting for years to actually understand what happened that stormy night.
Wow. It’s always quite chilling watching these videos. But it’s even more so thinking that you flew in the very aeroplane featured. Great channel, love the comprehensive detail that you provide.
As always looking forward to this video (still watching it), and has really hit home, as I had a couple friends on this flight who were connecting in Addis to home. As someone who is an ET frequent flyer and really fascinated and proud to have such a well run airline on our continent, I hope to see a video about their history and management to where they are now as Africa's number one airline on your Mentour Now channel!
I've watched three of your videos so far, and as someone with a short attention span and no prior aviation knowledge, your videos have kept me engaged in every detail right to the end. You've gained a new subscriber!
I watched the Aircrash investigation version of this crash some time back. As always, thanks for all the additional information you provided, Petter. It is unfortunate that an autopsy of the pilots couldn't be done to provide further clarification on the possible role played by adverse effects of any food consumed.
Agreed. It would be really interesting to see what substances they had (I'm not casting aspersion I mean in general) ingested. We'll never know but I suspect some street food, slightly over done on nutmeg and also maybe more portions as they were hungry combined to give nutmeg poisoning.
@@TheWPhilosopher That is indeed possible, given that they arrived in Beirut in the middle of the night when hardly a restaurant had still an open kitchen.
As soon as I read that it was personal, I thought it was probably an aircraft that you had flown personally. It must've been a hard video to put together, but as always, thoughtful and fabulous. Thank you. Also, well done to your team, very well edited and... The incidental music was... Absolutely Fantastic!
You are very good at what you do (making these video clips) and it is clearly evident that you are passionate about flying and a competent and knowledgeable pilot. Good for you, very few people are this good at what they do. Salute.
Thanks for this one, Peter.. That must have been truly haunting to discover a bird you had sat in met such an ignominious fate. Godspeed to all on board.
The passengers must have been absolutely terrified, they surely would have known something was seriously amiss and the cabin crew certainly would have known. A great case study Captain Petter and one of the more gut wrenching ones too. The fact you had flown this actual aircraft must have sent shivers down your spine.
I'm a mechanic, so maybe my perspective is a little different from yours, but I do know one thing. It's ALWAYS a haunting feeling when you know something happened to "your" bird. I've fixed a few aircraft that have gone down over my years working in GA, and yes, even with fatalities on those aircraft. It's always a nasty feeling in your gut knowing that something happened to an aircraft that you personally worked on, even if the accident did not have anything to do with any specific repair you made, and was determined to be pilot error. Hell, I've seen a fellow mechanic total an aircraft I had just finished working to help repair. where multiple people could have been killed by the irresponsible actions of their fellow crew member.
I've heard and read of this incident a number of times, but hearing you say you've flown /that/ aircraft sent a chill through me. Of all the millions of planes out there. What a crazy world.
I have a connection to this one as well through being Ethiopian (I moved to the USA in 2008 when I was just three years old). Thank you for ignoring the silly theories that it was shot down and what not. As always, your videos are a 10/10 Petter!
I wish you could talk to the media as an industry expert after an aircraft incident takes place. The news media often gets the facts confused. Your attention to every detail in your videos is very commendable!
"media often gets the facts confused" it's obvious when we know the particular subject ... now apply that to every single thing they report on, worrying isn't it.
his attention to detail can only come after the incident final report is out months or years later. the news media is usually all over the place the hour after the incident. if he starts speaking to media at that kind of timing, he'll fall into the same.
Amazing quality as always! finding out a plane you have flown has crashed must really suck! As a PPL pilot i cant imagne seeing the little PA28 that I fly in pieces. Let alone make a video about it. I love your videos, and keep up the amazing work you and your team do! I'll see you at the next upload :D
Every pilot should watch this channel regularly. Could make a huge difference in case of emergency. Im not a pilot myself, but the excellence of explanations about the human factor in emergencies is something to take away and use it in life. Amazing content my friend!
As always, a superb job - especially considering your history with that aircraft. For some reason I was under the impression that the pilot and copilot were not supposed to eat the same meal. I have no idea where or when I heard that, but is was decades ago.
Very high level of storytelling and video editing. Special thanks to the video editor for the soundscape and animations and overall editing. That heartbeat sound was spot on.👌🏼
You have no idea how many times I rewatch your videos, a lot of times only to listen to that great voice you’re blessed with.But this one is so different due to the context, I couldn’t. Bless you Peter.
I was on the edge of my seat the whole episode. Thrilling presentation. Your most epic episode yet. There should be a category in Hollywood for best RUclips documentary. This would win.
Your videos have sparked the biggest interest in me to fly more and I honestly would love to become a pilot! Thank you for all the knowledge you share with us! 🎉❤
Thank you for the effort you put in while producing these amazing videos. They are very much interesting and informative. I hope you'd one day make a video on the 2012 Dana air crash in Nigeria.
I googled the flight, saw it had no survivors, and after a few moments of fearing that Mentour Pilot is a ghost making youtube videos, I realized he meant the route, not that specific flight
Following you from long time. You have given us a content I would even pay to watch for, but seeing this on this platform is more than wish being fulfilled for aviation fan like me. Asking you to cover about the unsafe flying condition in Nepal. Thank you.
I'm so sorry this happened to a plane that you once had a connection to. I know that eerie feeling myself. The feeling may linger forever and actually develop into a vague, unsettling yet permanent bond to the object. Take care that it doesn't become a haunting thing.
I had a severe turbulence event in a plane out of Laguardia. A plane you did a video on was parked at the gate next to mine the very same day of my departure, as i verified with the tail number
Either severe food poisoning or that they got drugged, that both of them stopped being "normal" is a pretty tell tale sign if you ask me. Nothing else really makes a lot of sense in this case. I would also lean towards food poisoning due to the time frame.
This explains it well. A very bad case of food poisoning. In fact, bacterial food poisoning can cause extreme tiredness, loss of reflexes and malaise to set in much before the vomiting and intestinal distress begins. It's just not possible to do anything requiring concentration in this state.
At our flying club I was assigned as a check pilot to sign off a newly retired airline captain who joined our club on one of our airplanes. I felt like I was the student and was honored to fly with this highly experienced captain with thousands or hours. We filed since it was a low overcast. He took off and we were IMC shortly. He had to execute a right turn, and few seconds later he instantly got us into an unusual attitude, complete loss of control. He did exactly that, cross controlled, tumbled the attitude indicator. I took the controls, managed to recover. I was shaking with terror. We narrowly escaped . He was profusely apologizing. I landed and have never been the same. Being an engineer this personal experience made me analyze the human component. Personally I conclude that with all the training, and out-side the envelope event can lead anyone to a cognitive short circuit.. all you need is the right combination of stressors. I hope new auto pilots could be equipped with an oh-crap button. We absolutely have the technology. I stopped flying in IMC after that.
Given the sheer number of GA accidents involving VFR into IMC, I don't blame you for giving instrument-only conditions a miss after that terrifying close call!! 😦 Spatial & situational awareness seem to be vulnerable to such quick potential decline; really scares me. As you note, even all the training which is meant to make responses automatic doesn't always seem to successfully resolve this! Although I do feel like, as with most things, "forewarned is forearmed"? Hopefully these types of shared stories & detailed analyses may help people to at least recognize when they're getting into a risky situation, & perhaps allow them to learn from others' experience before crisis hits personally?
You are more than an excellent storyteller, you really do an excellent job of teaching us about airplanes and how they work. Moreover you explain in great detail what causes the problems at the root of who and why. Keep these stories coming
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It took 55 minutes to describe how everything went wrong. To realize it was only five minutes of time for them is chilling. Thank you, Peter for all the work that you do bringing this knowledge to aviators in civilians throughout the world. God bless these people and their family.
wow 5 minutes? thats nuts . need an emergency recovery button .
Yeah, that fact shocked me as well
These are fascinating but it's getting harder to watch such long videos for essentially brief events.
True, the wreckage was right next to the airport. Some debris washed to next to the runway.
The opposite situation is when you look at ship collisions and disasters such as the Torrey Canyon that play out agonisingly slowly while people look on unable to do anything about it.
@MentourPilot needs a grammy. Nobody in modern times has done more to educate the general public on aviation. I've learned so much from him over the years.
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@MentourPilot no thank you for these videos and all you hard work.
They are sometimes abit too technical for me to understand completely but I do like the simpler explanations he gives afterwards as I can better understand those :)
- im one of those people who don’t really have an interest in flying bc I’m scared of it. So theese explanations of what happened and why it went wrong are actually quite calming :)
Agreed! 👍🏻
I personally have a theory in connection with this flight, especially concerning the food they ate:
What struck me is that the captain didn't just say the food was bad or he felt sick, he asked if there was weed in it. He also implied that those symptoms happened *after* he ate the food, not during. He was most likely experiencing neurological symptoms like mania, nausea or even mild hallucinations/psychosis.
Now it would be news to me that it was common in Lebanon to mix weed into foods, and even if, the active ingredient, THC, should've been mostly out of their system by this point.
However there is one condition that does happen after eating a certain type of spoiled food which does produce neurological as well as gastrointernal symptoms: Ergotism. Especially since the alkaloids from ergot poisoning compound on top of sensory stimuli instead of replacing them. The noise and light from the thunderstorm, the high intensity of the takeoff procedure, being stimulated by hundreds of lights and indicators on the screens could kick a mild ergot poisoning into overdrive.
It's not provable for sure, but given what has happened I don't think it's that unlikely that either just the captain or perhaps both him and the FO were suffering from ergotism on this flight.
Interesting!
Isn’t ergotism really rare though? Not a doctor but I was under the impression people stopped regularly getting ergotism like hundreds of years ago when we got better at food storage.
That actually makes a lot of sense. It certainly seems more plausible than both being drugged.
@@welcometohell2495 It is pretty rare nowadays but I actually had a really similar case in my family. My mother used to be a flight attendant for Lufthansa and back in the early 90s the FO on a flight from Karachi to Frankfurt had some mild dizziness, but nothing too severe. In flight he started getting some very serious sensory impairments and hallucinations which prompted them to do an emergency landing in Tehran, were doctors actually confirmed ergot poisoning as the cause. Luckily nothing bad happened since either the FO wasn't pilot flying, or he handed controls to the Captain as soon as he realised something was wrong, but the description my mother gave me of the event is so similar that this immediately came to mind!
Fun fact the Salem witch trials was caused by mass ergotism throughout the community from their tainted rye fields. Everyone decided those ladies were witches because they were tripping
One thing I constantly forget while watching your videos, is that there are passengers who have no idea whats happening, and complete faith in the pilots. Such scary moments, I am glad that I cannot even imagine.
That was one of my comments as well. At one point, the plane was nearly upside down. The passengers and crew must have been absolutely terrified those 5 chaotic minutes.
@@feathersmaxon4619those poor souls😔
Honestly it sounds to me like the first officer might have also been incapacitated. If he was fully aware of what was going on at some point you would think he would have cried out in sheer terror even if he was 100 confident that the captain was doing all he could. The fact that he rode that plane silently into the sea without even an "Oh shit" says to me he didn’t fully know what was going on either.
It seems so obvious to me that they must have been drugged; not necessarily in their food, but maybe in something they drank, and for completely unknown reasons. The comparison to weed is so telling if true, because (for me at least) certain amounts of that also make me feel like my thinking and reactions are normal until it becomes obvious via external cues that they are anything but.
@@BlueCyannyes perhaps they were acually drugged. Certain substances sertainly have that incapicitating effekt.
Yes I was also thinking they might have been drugged.
@@BlueCyannThey probably had a grasshopper...
This was probably a terrorist attack, the drugs were the weapons of choice of the terrorists
That initial conversation makes me feel that they may have been sufficiently impaired to be unable to determine that they were too impaired to fly safely
But my understanding is that they were functioning reasonably normally during takeoff prep. Is there any evidence that cognitive impairment from food poisoning can suddenly kick in without any other symptoms such as vomiting or other gastrointestinal signals?
Yup. They were too far gone to even determine how far they were gone.
@@maxm2639at least for me, if I’m impaired I can do simple tasks just fine, but when more complex actions are required then it becomes obvious I’m impaired.
Either that or whatever was in that food took a bit longer to really hit them hard. I've been in cases where I've started working for six or more hours a little impaired from bad food. Only to suddenly have it hit the point of no return and end up totally jacked for the next day fully impaired.
I think you're right. It happens to me that after more than an hour of not feeling well I start to realize what's going on, fortunately when it happens I'm usually at home doing nothing and not flying a plane 😢😢
When I was in the RAAF the pilots were not allowed to eat the same meal or even from the same place. It's a hassle but understandable. Great video mate, keep them coming.
Wow! That's really interesting that with that rule they were anticipating this kind of thing. Thanks for sharing.
Interesting rule, as it completely makes sense. But from my own experience (in another military), a flight crew or Sqn pilots all want to stick together on a night out and go to the same bar together. I couldn’t imagine ours not eating in the same place, however some rules are less enforced than others 😉
I understand the basis of this rule. But what they’re not getting with this rule is that a lot of that food all starts in the same warehouse. Say that pilot A is having a salad at restaurant A and pilot B is having a taco at restaurant B. The lettuce all came from the same warehouse/distributor. So if the lettuce is contaminated with E. coli, all of the pilots are still going to get sick.
MentourPilot mentioned that cabin crew serve pilots two different meals to minimize the risk of food poisoning. Unfortunately this does not apply the same way to the food they have off the airplane, and I agree -- that's disturbing to say the least.
@@ramb1914 ya... And all water has been through something Else. Ever recycled.
The thing you ignore is the the human contact in delivery. Cook at restaurant A has a highly contagious flu and the guy at B don't.
One of the best channels on RUclips. It’s like watching a mini documentary every time.
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The captain was a family friend. RIP for those who lost their lives. We appreciate the hard work you put in to put together these high-quality contents.
@@bereal6311 That poor man. This is the only video I’ve seen where I felt sorrier for him than the passengers.
@lisaschuster686 he came to the US to visit us when I was little. He taught me how to ride a bike within hours. We miss him so much!
@@lisaschuster686 Yeah, usually in cases like these there's always a bad training history, rough personality, or something. Both of these guys were pretty much top notch. They were definitely ill from food poisoning, or drugged in some way.
I'm sorry to hear that. May he rest in peace, amen.
a real tragedy
I had watched Air Crash Investigation as a kid. And have been following Peter since the days he sat on a couch with his 2 dogs to the current set of videos rivaling any documentary I saw on National Geographic Channel. This channel has come a long way
A sincere thanks from an aviation enthusiast from India
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I'd like a follow-up on the dogs. Their expressions at times were priceless.
The dogs were great! The new videos are much more professional and still fantastic but yes, I miss the dogs 😄
Aaaww, I loved those two dogs....
I remember those days as well he's come a long way since then. Just a friendly reminder he spells his name as Petter. 💯🇺🇸
That's a strange accident. Finding food at irregular hours in unfamiliar locations was always a weakness in the safety system imo, during my career. Pilot nutritional 'opportunities' should routinely be considered during these 'off duty' hours of a layover. I always carried a 'cup-o-noodles' and other snack food as a final backup plan when nothing else was available.
Thank you for the great suggestion. I am just about to join my first airline as a trainee FO, and ill remember this.
id hope the airline would feed their staff too
Wouldn’t it also be wise to at least eat different meals?
Viral food poisoning/noro-virus has an incubation time of 24-48hrs.
Stick with deep fried food. It is not be healthy and may kill you in decades to come, but not the following day.
@@peterdieleman303In 1975, those recommendations came around after nearly 200 people got sick on a Japan Airlines flight. Fortunately, the pilots had ordered steak dinners instead of breakfast omelettes and were able to make an emergency landing.
Can I just say, despite the subject of most of your videos, you've actually helped get me over some of my fears of flying. By showing these accidents and how to happened and the steps taken to prevent them you've really shown how rare they are and just how much has to go wrong for anything to happen. Also gaining an understand of how the aircraft work and allot of the systems and backups in place helps as well.
I’m an Ethiopian that grew up in Beirut because my mother was the area manager for Ethiopian Airlines. I remember hearing about the crash when I woke up in the morning and the amount of screams my mother let out, my father running around making phone calls it was surreal! Thank you so much for creating this story, I’ve been an avid watcher for a long time!
It would be amazing if you could another one on ET302 as well.
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@@charlesbarnard2744 yea she retired last month. hehe
Was anyone from your family in the plane? Like why was your mom screaming... (Not sarcastic, genuine question)
@@rara-wg3qs She worked for the airline, the aircraft crashed where she was based. She may have had loyalty for the airline, so it's no surprise she acted that way.
@@tiadaid She worked there, but why is the Dad making calls? lol what?
Unless Mom's side-piece was on the plane, IDK, just dumb :D
Recently, at work (software), a team has implemented sound cues to the project they work on. I told them we should also have visual cues because when we are under stress, our brain does not process sound cues alone well enough. They argued, and I told them the story of the Airbus redesigning the Stall alarm after the AF447 by adding visual cues. We are now having them in the product.
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At some point, any warning system can simply become part of the 'sensory overload.' I wonder, as a pilot, if we couldn't have a 'visual' indicator of aircraft attitude that is so fundamentally recognizable that we instinctively react, without having to think. For example. What if the 'blue' sky and 'green/brown' earth were projected across the entire instrument panel? Would that create an intuitive sense of where the horizon is that requires no 'thinking?' ...
@@gcorriveau6864 In today's AI environment this would be a no-brainer. Using a nice livery graphic and some GPS coordinates, a reasonable resolution image of the aircraft position relative to ground, horizon and sky would be very achieveable. Kind of worrying I've not heard of this being looked at already.
Heavily agree, sound can easily add to confusion. It needs needs NEEDS to be noticble but not over power other potential warning sounds while not distracting from the situation which is very difficult. Visual indicators are always better since as long as you put them in different places they won't have the same issues, use that with a TEMPORARY sound or touch focused indicator and that's how you alert someone.
@gcorriveau6864 I agree the others who mention AI. I think soon enough the pilots will have a full AI assistance including the monitor projecting their plane's position, altitute and attitude, and other info in real time akin to videogames.
My gf gifted to me a flight lesson for my 25th birthday some years ago on a light craft with an instructor. 7 years later that same instructor suffered a mid-air collision with the same aircraft carrying a passenger during a similar training flight. They both died along the two occupants of that other plane. I had the same experience of tracking the plane down, going to the instructors social media to see all the condolences and have the chilling realization a lot of what we take for granted can be taken away at the whim of a mistake or an error, our own or someone else's. Cheers and thanks for the quality content!
Wow. That is equally sad and scary.
@@Seathal That sucks man about your instructor. Hope you are doing okay.
When i first started flying, a guy i was working for had a few planes & said go use the 182 if you wanna get your license. Well i flew that plane for about 3 hours, my boss decided to take it out for a flight one weekend & lost both mags as he was coming in on final. Scared me pretty good realizing that could've been me. But I eventually got back into it knowing that you train for situations like that.
It is time that this show receives a major Media Award. This is the best TV show on the planet, even without people screaming etc. And we all learn something in every video at the same time. Graphics and VFX and audio are outstanding. Well done, Petter and team.
As a pilot myself, this was one of your hardest videos to watch. Every single pilot action compounding to a disaster, so many opportunities to have saved the flight and none was taken advantage of. May they all rest in peace.
If there was a physical ailment there was no real action that could have saved them. Unless they could have rested what ever was wrong off in the short time pilot input was needed it seems like a virtually impossible scenario for the pilots if you ask me. Unless they had two spare pilots in the back i really can't see a way they could have got out of this, they were impaired clearly by their weird actions and inputs they showed.
i'm not a pilot at all, never even played microsoft flight simulator... This one was frustrating to watch because it just felt like they took no positive action whatsoever, and everything they did compounded issues further. Feels like they didn't even try...The food poisoning for sure is the reason. It's not that they wouldn't take action. *they couldn't*
idk if being a pilot it just becomes routine for you or you are alert on edge the whole time... but maybe it's good to never get complacent, never take it lightly? Idk maybe you could speak to the psychology of being a pilot better than me.. I just know I would not attempt flying while sick like that. Maybe they thought muscle memory would just take care of it.
@@jvogler_art4708 After you drive a car for years, you start doing things automatically, you can't force yourself to be on alert all the time. That's why there are procedures, to keep basic things in check.
@@jvogler_art4708 It sounds like at least the captain, probably also the first officer were experiencing neurological symptoms - slowed reaction time, inability to gain situational awareness, possibly altered sensory experiences as well. One symptom that wasn't (couldn't be) mentioned but is common with those that were is altered self-perception.
Someone who is usually reasonable and knows when they need a break might not even notice their perception is off and their actions are irrational, like taking their clothes off while freezing to death. People experiencing manic episodes or hallucinations often refuse treatment because they are convinced they're acting rationally, and I'm assuming most of us know how hard it can be to convince drunk people to give it a rest and drink some water.
They knew they slept badly, but if they were convinced they were fully alert that wouldn't have been enough to call in sick.
I can't imagine how eerie it must feel to be reporting on the crash of a plane you have personally flown. Thanks, as always for the superb content!
I imagine not that eerie at all actually. It’d be like finding a crash eerie because its model was one you often took as a passenger.
@@The_ZeroLine it being the exact same plane is very different from it just being the same model tho, isn't it?
@@emdoveI take it he prob missed that it was the exact plane..common in these comment sections
@The_ZeroLine Not the same model car. The same car.
I had once boarded a plane with food-poisoning. I did not know it at that time and since it was inter-continental flight I lay down and watched some movies and ate the dinner (not the source of the food poisoning). I've tried to sleep, but despite my dizziness and desire to sleep I couldn't sleep for any length of time. When I went to the bathroom I have passed out, which is when I called the flight attendant and started managing the situation. The thing is that with the exception of the dizziness and inability to sleep I was not wanting to throw or did not have any other usual symptoms of food poisoning. I was being monitored for the rest of the flight to out destination (wasn't that far from it and since I was feeling stable I requested that they continue there). Just moments after the cabin door were opened I started throwing up. After I was finished throwing up I was taken to hospital and just had a low fever and sleep deprivation and was immediately discharged.
Based on my experience I think the pressurization suppressed the main symptoms, but caused another set of symptoms to manifest. That would be consistent with the pilots being pretty much fine during the briefing, but then getting worse after pressurization and take-off.
Thank you for sharing your story - really interesting input, certainly sounds like a close match for the accident pilots' overnight experiences.
So I live in Lebanon, specifically on the mountain range east of Beirut, on the side facing Beirut. This means that I can see the airport and every plane that comes in and out. I’ve been watching these planes whenever I can since I was a child and I always wondered if I’d ever seen an aircraft’s last moments. It’s always something in the back of your mind when you know how easily things can go wrong. It’s crazy to hear about this now and it really gives perspective on these types of situations. I am currently a Mechanical Engineer student, hoping to master in Aerospace Engineering, and I might end up working on the same tarmac these pilots last touched. It’s wild to think about. Just an FYI, food poisoning was not that uncommon in Lebanon in the early 2010s but the people have been pushing for stricter rules in restaurants and nowadays it’s just as common as anywhere else, if not less.
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Sounds to me the first officer too suffered from subtle incapacitation given that he did not intervene and did not respond to the captain after a clear ask for help. He may have been so confused and terrified with everything that was happening, the noise, the g-forces, the rain, pitch black outside, stick shaker, bank angle warnings etc. that he was totally overwhelmed and that he simply froze. Very sad story indeed.
I was thinking the same thing. It seems like the first officer might have been even more incapacitated than the pilot.
Yeah, my thought was that the fight, flight, freeze, fawn took over and freeze was the response his brain went to.
They were probably sick as dogs and utterly terrified.
You can't expect to do anything rational when you're in that state.
@@pierreetienneschneider6731 Indeed, exactly.
I think the high stress and whatever intoxicant he had in his system made him feel like he was in a nightmare and wasn't sure if it was really happening... I can imagine him expecting to wake up as the plane was about to crash 🫣
I am from Kenya neighbouring country to Ethiopia. Let me take this chance to thank you for your commendable hard work you put out here to educate us and expand our knowledge. You are my favourite pilot. Salute 🫡
And Kenyans are always happy when an Ethiopian aircraft crashes....so sad.
Yes, his videos are exceptional, agree. 👍☕😊✈️
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I wonder if you have seen his video on Kenya Airways Flight 507.
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This reminded me of the food poisoning I had after eating at a Middle Eastern restaurant. Good restaurant, popular, great reviews, great food, nothing tasted off. The next day, it hit me out of the blue: dizziness, vertigo, and disorientation. I could not even walk from one room to another, much less function in any other way. Lasted for 24 hours, then I was as good as new. Never figured out what happened. I can see how something like that could end really badly in a different situation.
According to other comments it could be either ergot poisoning or (more likely) nutmeg poisoning. Apparently too much nutmeg/not being cooked properly can give you these kinds of symptoms.
@UnimportantAcc the amount of nugmet needed would be really high, wouldn't it? Since I have been distracted and gone a bit overboard with it in my own cooking (to the point it tasted weird) and I've been completely fine, Idk
@@kalle5548 I put it in eggnog …
@@maiaru no intestinal issues?
Do you have naturally low blood pressure? I do and whenever I eat Middle Eastern Food, which is often high in garlic, I get dizzy and sometimes pass out. Garlic can lower your blood pressure significantly and if it’s already on the low side, may be enough to make you feel very ill
I’m Lebanese and live near the airport on the mountain ranges you described so I can clearly see the whole airport from my window, I love watching planes come and go, and this flight has always been so interesting to me, for it happening here and the lack of information about it, I’ve went on deep dives trying to learn more about this case on multiple instances but there would always be no information about it - especially on RUclips so it was definitely a shock when I clicked on this video and you said beirut!
Glad you made this video, it was beyond informative and amazing to watch, thank you
I work as a Custom officer, I really have huge respect for every pilot... Thank you for your time and effort for every video you do, You really inspired me at least have knowledge about flying, can you do a video about Saudia Flight 763 it really interesting
hello another saudi here
There is no channel that comes close to this class of masterful storytelling, building the plot, providing all the technical details and doing this all in a respectful and informative way. Kudos, MP!
Thank you Petter for this upload.
Perhaps a trivial thing, but i really appreciate your wording when you mention if the viewers found the video interesting instead - as some say - if they enjoyed it. For me, it shows respect to the seriousness of the subject and those who might personally relate to it.
Wow, everyone did you see that? @robski8604 agrees⅞ with and even showed he knew where humane behavior occurred in the video. You deserve an award don't you think?
Me too, well said. 👍✈️☕
It would feel a bit insensitive to talk about "enjoying" stories where people died. Especially when it's so tragic like this.
I’ve actually been more situational aware since watching your channel. It’s been 1.5 years since I’ve seen the first video and my life has changed forever: always know your surroundings
Discord crew here. I'm a student pilot and in school as an Airframe & Powerplant mechanic. I'm perpetually grateful for the information in this channel and your team putting this story together.
One of my first mechanic instructors gave us a sobering reminder that "if you work in aviation, you will at some point know someone that will be involved in a crash of some type." While I feel very honored and excited to be able to learn how to aviate and maintain aircraft, I'm appreciative of videos like this that remind us that aviation is a very serious business. It's very easy to become complacent, excited by the miracle of flight, and lean on the long history of safety that has improved over the last 100+ years.
However, I'm also thankful that you point out human factors like in this case how the biggest hole of the swiss cheese may have been that tthese pilots could have had some kind of food poisoning. Other than low-time with this type of aircraft, they really seemed qualified to be flying it. :-/
Anyway, fantastic video, and thank you for sharing it, especially because it affected Petter on such a personal level.
So glad to see a sponsor other than BetterHelp or a VPN. Cheers to media literacy!
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@@MentourPilotwe appreciate that. Good on you for listening to your audience
@@MentourPilotGlad to hear this Petter. You know my experience with MH having founded a global mental health org and unfortunately what the public know doesn’t even scratch the service of the problems that exist with BetterHelp. Their small and fine print is still terrible and states that they cannot guarantee the therapists are qualified and that it’s your responsibility to verify them prior to any sessions. Yes the onus is on you to verify the therapist you booked is actually a qualified therapist. As well as the misleading/lying claims that they only office remote sessions and making it seem like all therapists work in-office only. Many offer telephone/video sessions like BetterHelp.
It’s good to see you choose the right thing over money, as I’m well aware of how much they offer to promote them as given my background in MH, praise and award from Her Majesty The Queen with my accolade from her for ‘Services to the United Kingdom (mental health)’ and many brands/companies often don’t come close to how much BetterHelp is throwing at creators. I’ve always decline to work with them because of my morals and being fortunately enough that I don’t need their money.
@@MentourPilotHear hear! Genuinely glad to hear it.
@@MentourPilotthat’s why I joined your patreon!
As a Physician, I must admit that the possibility of a food poisoning usually drives to diarrhea, vomiting, abdominal cramps and in that, there's no reason for the Captain to have not recognized his incapacitation. But usual intoxication due to the presence of toxins in the food causes rather short but strong symptoms, barely lasting longer than 6-8 hours after the ingestion. The most probable result would have been the captain calling a disease leave and staying in his hotel even though his main symptoms have relented already the next morning, however, the malaise due to the loss of electrolytes in vomits and diarrhea persists several hours later. A gastrointenstinal infection due to bowel proliferation of bacteria present in the food would have had a longer latency; from 24 hours to 1 week even and even longer, sometimes. So, at the time of boarding the plane, pilots would feel right or almost right still.
If something was in the food, maybe it wasn't a bacterial toxine; it looks more probable a fungus intoxication. Fungi might be present in some exotic food and some species are quite hard to differentiate among themselves. Some toxic variants are easily picked up as mushrroms and can cause severe disease. Why I think so? Captain had no clue of any metabollic disease which could cause subtle incapacitation symptoms at a terminal phase. No alcohol nor drugs intake is believed in last 12 hours. Captain was perfectly right 12 hours before. The only out-of-place data on which we count on is the insomnium both pilots experienced. Fungi can initiate symptoms hours after their intake and include agitation, some strands can cause hallucination, severe alterations in the cognitnion, excitement; others dizziness and drowniness. Lately, the toxins can generate neurological and hepatotoxic disease that can be severe and even lethal.
I guess your intuition about the food is right. I think a vital trail was lost in the investigation by not asking witnesses about where and what did they eat that night. It is very probable that in Medical registers there are cases of fungal intoxication from a restorant that very night in Beirut. However, today Beirut is a war zone with all what it implies... However, the idea is there whenever peace comes back in. Have a grateful December and may Love an Peace fill up your home and family. God Bless You All🌲🌲🌲🌲🌲🌲
It reminded me of the delirium of a high fever back when people used to get childhood diseases. But it was so sudden here.
Yup, even just a regular (not so regular if you ask me) case of food poisoning should have been enough to have made him call dispatch. I recently had food poisoning from eating a not so good octopus (I’m a student pilot) and it started having effect around 3 hours after I ate it. I have NEVER felt so horrendous in my entire life. Nor have I ever vomited this much ever. The stomach ache and the vomiting every 30 minutes made me unable to sleep. Not to mention the diarrhea too, I was almost between the toilet and the sink at literally any given moment. It was not fun. I had to go fly around with my brother that day, I told him I couldn’t. I was quite literally incapacitated. I didn’t want to talk, I could barely walk, I wasn’t thinking straight, my head was hurting… I just can’t imagine how exactly those pilots felt and still somehow managed to think they could do it. I’d rather get fired, seriously, than let myself put myself and so many others in danger.
@@aspiringcaptain Getting sick both ends is my worst fear. How long did it last?? Did you hallucinate?
@@lisaschuster686 I wasn’t hallucinating, I was with my mom the whole time and I was fully conscious. Since we shared a hotel room because we traveled, and she wanted to sleep, the light was really dim in the bathroom and dark in the room but I could navigate fine. I just felt weak in the sense that I didn’t have the strength to think much. I could only think about going back home but it was more like a loop of “I gotta go home”. Didn’t hallucinate, I was just out of it. And it lasted like I think around 11 hours, so around 5-6 vomiting sessions (that’s so funny written out) and like 4-5 trips to the bathroom. Then for around 12 hours I just took the smallest sips of water (to not puke) and a soup (again, really small eating intervals) and just general recovery. After that I was fine though.
@ My sister abruptly became very allergic to scallops. Thirty “sessions” of painful vomiting, then hospitalization. Most people would never eat scallops again, right? But she wanted to find out if she really was allergic to them!!!
New sub here! I am not a pilot nor do I have any association with aircraft or airports outside of the occasional trip back home or vacation. I AM, however, so incredibly interested in how planes work and the mechanics behind flying; especially in the event of an emergency. I have probably watched hundreds of videos on air craft disasters but have not discovered your channel until this very moment. You, my friend, have the VERY BEST videos about aircraft disasters I have ever watched! I have learned sooooo much more in this very first video I am watching from your channel then all the other videos combined! You have a wonderful way of explaining technical terms, actions, etc and it makes it so incredibly easy to understand and follow along, PLUS it is so well made. Thank you for all of the hard work that I know goes into creating these videos for RUclips. I can't wait to get home and binge on a few more before bed! So glad the algorithm is finally on my side!
I can relate to this. I used to maintain 737 for BA back in the 90s. Years later my aircraft featured in one of your videos once it had been sold on to another carrier. Such a weird feeling that one of the aircraft you spent every working day keeping safe, then killed 108 people with Adam Air.
Adam Air ! Should never ever have been granted an Operator's Certificate.
An interesting little side story with this aircraft which doesn’t relate to its days with Adam Air, but might make an interesting video for Petter and his amazing team to cover one day (if they haven’t already)……
If my memory serves me correctly NNL and a handful of other ex Dan Dare 737-400s came in for some ad-hoc maintenance once BA had taken them on. The aircraft themselves were slightly hybrid as they weren’t ’true’ -400s but a combination of -300/400. The work package was odd in that various random parts were being replaced totalling about £1.5m per aircraft. Apparently the parts were suspected to be bogus, or had no traceable history with the correct paperwork nowhere to be found. These parts were removed and then sent to the CAA but we never heard the outcome. However I was told that the fake parts problem is so bad that parts have even been found on the US Presidential aircraft. I wonder how the situation is in Russia with all of the western aircraft they still have flying around?
@@nimedave Didn't hear they got on the presidential command planes, only that they got into the FAA's own warehouses . As for Russia and Iran, the loss of the Iranian president was commonly reported as possibly related to Iran's inability to get western spare parts legally since 1979 ,
@@grahamstevenson1740 Garuda lost their license to fly into EU airspace for a bit. Indonesia was actually left without a carrier able to fly to a EU member until 2018.
@@smalltime0 A bit troubling that their national carrier was affected too.
Thank you for the amazing content and detailed storytelling. As an Ethiopian, I really appreciate the effort you've put into this. I'm starting my flight training soon, and I'm confident that your videos will be helpful along the way. The amount of aviation knowledge I'm gaining isn't just impressive. Keep up the great work! Tack så mycket! ;)
That’s great to hear! Fly safe!
Congrats nahom! Go there conqure the skies! Fellow ethiopian pilot❤
Once I suffered from vertigo caused by food poisoning. I got up from the bed and very nearly fell over - I had to hold on to the wall to keep from falling off the earth.
I know how it feel as it happened to me a few times so bad I passed out. Once I was still able to called my wife over and I simply fell on the floor (from the toilet seat) for a minute or so; another time I was having a flu, got up in the morning, walked a few steps and the last thing I remember was I know I was going out rapidly and tried to rush back to my bed. I woke up seeing the world around me at 45 degrees tilted! Took me probably half a minute to slowly waking up, it turned out when I fell I probably grabbed the full length standing mirror and it landed on top of me, gave me that 45 degrees tilted vision, lucky that it wasn’t shattered! Watching this episode gave me the chill. I could almost imagine the pilot trying his very best to understand what was happening around him, yet he felt like stuck in a bad fever dream, nothing making sense to him. He only vaguely remembered how to fly, dropping out of consciousness momentarily.
And now imagine being the pilot of a 737, sitting in the front row of the aircraft with hundred people back in the cabin who depend with their lifes on your ability to fly this thing. - I very much think that it is this what happened to these two pilots.
@@NicolaW72 Indeed! Watching this episode also reminded me some of my weird fever dream when I was driving and couldn't see the road clearly, the steering wheel isn't responding, yet I was still going full speed and not knowing did I hit anyone
@@NicolaW72 all pilots learn to not trust their inner ear. This was instrument conditions. If anything feels wrong, eyes on the artificial horizon, wings level, normalize angle of attack, normalize speed. Aviate, Navigate, Communicate. These pilots missed the first step. I really cannot understand this accident.
@@thehighwayman78 food poisoning affects your directional awareness, the speed of your reactions and your reasoning, it's unfortunate but it is understandable
Absolutely brilliant! No air incident Investigation program has ever been so detailed, so gripping, educative and yet so respectfully non-dramatised! Thank you Petter for a fantastic program!
It is such a pleasure to watch a video put together by an expert and someone who took time and pride in getting the content correct. So many videos are crap. Yours are always very professional in content and presentation.
Oof seeing at the start how it looks when you're following the flight director really helps drive home how much it unravels as the flight goes on and those little lines are nowhere near the rectangle. The way the simulator footage helps us understand both the aircraft and the situation of the pilots is so important ❤
The graphic at 35:30 is really effective especially... I've had exactly that kind of visual disturbance when I've felt really ill before and the thought of that feeling coming over you in the captain's chair of an airliner is so terrifying. I can't imagine how it would've felt for you, looking into this and realising you'd sat in that seat.
Also, I can't express enough how much I appreciate the way you deal with differentiating info from the final report and your own opinions and theories. Your insight is so valuable, and even more so because you're so clear about when you're giving it. Thank you for always dealing with these incidents with so much respect and empathy ❤
Wow, another feature-length Mentour video! I think I speak for many viewers when I say how impressed I am that, despite being 2x or 3x in length, these feature-length deep dives more than live up to the fantastic Mentour quality that we've come to know and love on this channel! Thank you, Petr!
Absolutely! There are few channels where I would watch videos this long, but this is definitely one of them.
Petter, as a pretty consistent viewer of your content - when I heard that the first initial conversation between the pilot and first officer surrounded not feeling well and being “sick” I instantly remember the Air India incident video in which you revealed that the pilot hid the fact that he was on medication.
My heart sank a little bit - partially remembering that fatalities were involved in the Air India incident and that companies subject their crews for health checkups, and require a certain amount of adequate rest before and after flying for this reason.
You content has helped me to appreciate the work the industry does in learning from incidents like these and time and effort crews go through to ultimately transport regular people like me to work, on vacations or back home.
I always find it fascinating to realize how quickly these incidents happen when explaining the issues takes so long.
Crashed around 5min afta take off yet he makes it sound like it it happened after an hour
It doesn't. Mini Air Crash Investigation would have told the exact same story with the exact same amount of details in ten minutes or so. This is just angling for more ad time.
It’s for education purpose. I hate watching long videos but because my mind is into aviation I find it helpful and I have learnt a lot of things. So a video of this type has its audience. I am glad I am learning a lot from his videos.
@@tholo86 Kind of disagree that 'he makes it sound like an hour'. The time stamps are shown and pointed out as the story is told. It is very clear if you are paying attention. He provides the detail behind what is happening. I personally like the way the information is presented, because it showcases how often pilots have very little time to react to so unbelievably many things in an emergency.
what always gets me is: i've worked in teams in dangerous jobs (not this dangerous, but dangerous enough) where people also don't like to ask for help, but it seems like it's forbidden for a captain to say "brother i'm i a pinch here can you help me out i don't understand something". or for the first officer to say "my dude is everything cool there? need a hand?"
people would rather die than ask for help sometimes. literally
I am a pilot in Ethiopian, I also think that the only reason why the f/o did not try to do smt is because of the military themed hierarchy that existed back then. You open your mouth and offend u might be terminated for no reason.
@@Kb-yb7ot Interesting theory, but it breaks down when the Captain literally asked the FO to help him......but no action of any kind followed. Further, the fact that he had no audible response to the plane hurtling toward the sea-no gasps, no exclamations-also says that there was more going on here than trying to keep his job. I think he was at least as incapacitated as the Captain by the time things got dangerous.
@@edifyguy Rather than meaning to just keep his job, it's a psychological thing. However, I personally think that the FO may have been frozen knowing that he was in a real life emergency that wasn't simulated this time.
Also, when the captain asked the FO to just do something, it's not that forceful of an instruction at all, which would make sense if the FO was frozen in a type of shock in the situation. Not to mention that there were only seconds for the FO to respond for the captain's plea before they hit the ground.
Thanks for all the fine details. This just shows no matter how great a plane or flight crew you have, when you are that 'incapacitated' by something like a double health issue (food poisoning & no/bad sleep), they turn into 'zombies' with the first signs off serious problems. "Dizzy" "weed in the food?", these are instant signs of "STOP!", call for backup even though it causes a lot of "hassle" with your managers... yeah easily said, but a 100% understandable.
Indeed - and that´s the first and most important lesson to learn from this tragic event!
I recall my run-in with carbon monoxide while replacing instruments in a dope smuggler's airplane (we noticed that as we worked). I felt spacey in the first half hour and asked my boss - working beside me - if he felt okay. He said "yes" but later told me he thought he was having a stroke and didn't want me to be afraid to fly back with him. After 4 hours my headache was terrible and I thought I had the flu. He flew us back in his Cherokee. Mag drop test: left mag drop okay, right mag drop okay, both mags drop, oops! When I got home (bicycling from work) I told my wife about it and went to bed. In half an hour I couldn't stand it any more, so I was going to drive myself to the hospital. My wife drove me there, and when we arrived she had to tell me to walk toward the big building. Check! Four hours on O2 left me tired but otherwise okay.
Bottom line: incapacitated people often don't admit to being incapacitated.
There is a lot of mentions about upset recovery, simulation scenarios and pilot schools in this video. I'd love to see more of all these topics. Maybe a video about the most difficult upset recovery in simulator? or some more backstage info about work as examiner?
Anyway, I love how your channel developed and production value of each video went so much higher.
Food poisoning is no joke. In entertainment, "the show must go on". I was a supervisor/operator for a show, got food poisoning. *Chugged a bottle of Pepto over the next 4 hours, working with $250k worth of gear in/around millions of dollars of Ceremonial Police Motorcycles and 200' above the audience near the top of a stadium. Nausea, blurry vision and some induced vertigo - but got through the show! Passed out in the office after finishing paperwork (which was almost unreadable).
*NEVER chug Pepto! The next few days SUCK!
As someone with IBS, you drink pepto often enough you get *very* used to the next few days effect lol
@@welcometohell2495thing is the only symptoms they mentioned were CNS not digestive ❤
Another member of "We Sleep When We Die Productions." Been there. Continue breaking legs.❤
I'm a teacher and I once had to go to work with food posioning.
My 8th graders were spending that morning writing long essays for the first time (with me monitoring) and they had been really nervous for weeks. I knew that they wouldn't feel comfortable with a sub, so I dragged myself to school despite feeling absolutely awful.
So, once I had handed out the papers the students just looked at me. One of them informed me that my face had turned green and then... oh dear, then I became violently ill in front of my poor students. I managed to catch almost all the vomit in my hands as I rushed to the bathroom but I probably fueled the students' nightmares for years. When I returned all students were sitting quietly and no one started working until they knew that I was at least not dying.
So, for anyone considering a teaching career: avoid puking your guts out in front of the students. 0/10, do not recommend.
@@Cersilaria22 Yeah, food poisoning takes longer for symptoms to start. This story is so suspicious. They got drugged or something.
So, when I was learning to fly ultalights, our school had this one Rans S-6 that nobody liked to fly. There wasn't anything really wrong with it. It was just old and rattly and it had a bunch of annoying little gremlins. It also stank (literally stank. It was fabric covered).
But then one day I heard it had crashed. Apparently the carbon fibre prop had delaminated shortly after takeoff while an instructor was up with a student. The landing options beyond the runway at that airfield were not great, and they still had some thrust, so the instructor decided to do a 180 and land back at the field. They almost made it, but they caught a wire right at the edge of the field. That wire was in a neighbouring farm, and didn't seem to have much purpose. The airfield owner believed it was a spite wire, but I don't really know. Anyway, they came down hard and the student got minor injuries. Instructor was fine. The airplane was _very_ bent. I saw it afterword and that airplane had become a sculpture.
I don't blame the flight school. Like I said, the airplane had a bunch of gremlins, like elevator trim that wouldn't stay put, but nothing was really wrong with it, and it's very unlikely that a developing failure in a carbon fibre structure would be detectable just by looking at it or touching it.
Months later, I'm in the office/shack, somewhat bored, and I see the logbook of that old Rans. Mildly curious, I turn to the last page and look at the very last entry, and my name is next to it. That prop failed on the very next flight. I missed that ride by less than an hour of engine time.
Lady luck loves you!
What is a spite wire?
@@erwerer1425 A spite wire is like a spite house or a spite wall: A structure put up for the sole purpose of antagonizing a neighbour because of some grudge.
Did the person who owned the farm get into any trouble? Sounds like the plane would have landed okay if it weren’t for that wire so the person that set it should be held responsible I think
proper carbon fiber maintenance is a BITCH. it requires a lot of advanced tooling a lot of people don't really want to deal with
This young man [Mentour Pilot] does a masterful job in conveying storylines. He breaks down complex subject matter for the average person, clarifying with masterful precision. Thank you for all that you do in sharing your gift!
Maybe the First Officer was having the the worst freeze response of his life, never thinking he'd be in that situation and having resigned. Or perhaps he was too incapacitated. This entire situation was tragic, and my heart goes out to everyone lost in this tragedy. This was such a great yet sombre video, expertly crafted. Subscribed! ❤
I've been watching your channel for a few years, and your content is always...absolutely fantastic!
I just found your channel last week, and I've already watched so much of your videos, they are literal perfection!
Thank you for the great content.
You're welcome!
It’s really easy to get hooked on some MP binging sessions for sure!
@MentourPilot From a retired pilot. As an aid for pilots worldwide to become more aware and strive for even higher standards your programs are invaluable. I'm certain that you've had a positive impact on airline safety. I started flying in 1965 and was exposed to a very different world, so the transition from autocracy through the soooo important CRM training was an interesting timeline to have experienced. I'm 77 now.
With gratitude - thank you, Petter.
Aircraft safety is written in blood. NOT in any amount of RUclips videos.
@XRP747E Well said! I love the fact that so much well-researched & clearly presented information is now available freely to the industry in this way. Hopefully it helps contribute both to over-all safety culture & to individuals' learning and skills?
I believe the valuable lessons drawn by Petter, Air Safety Institute, Green Dot Aviation, & other good disaster analysis channels are actually relevant across any industry! In my observation many of the factors around human psychology, systems design & effective comms are pretty universal, and tend to have similar effects on safety and risk management regardless of where one works.
Re CRM, I can only imagine what a journey it must've been watching that change across your career! It seems as if back when you started, a very high proportion of pilots were ex-military (sometimes even ex-WWII) and had brought much of that hierarchical approach across with them?
I remember when you were still a baby channel and we emailed back and forth even ; w ; I am so happy always seeing how you get so larger and recognized more
Your videos getting even BETTER than they ALREADY were .... I have much respect for many youtube channels, yours is always on top in my opinion. Thank you always!
I have a similar feeling. I used to go on the Herald of Free Enterprise car ferry many times, when it sank I felt more of a connection with the incident, and I now use it in training courses ❤
Same with me and the Manchester Arena bombing. Was there at a show the night before, and then as the victims being named included some local people and students at my old college.
Same here... I have been to Seoul many times and walked through the area where the Halloween crowd crush happened. Gives you chills thinking about it.
That has to give you chills
@MentourPilot, I felt sorry for reporting an accident that involved an aircraft you've personally flown. What hit me hard was the lines "the cockpit that I have been working has ended up in the sea floor". To lose something that had a sentimental value to you is truly heartbreaking, it's like lamenting on a part of you that was lost.
But anyway, I love these content of yours, I've been binge watching them since I subscribed to your channels almost a year ago. Thank you for educating me through these kinds of content and keep them coming.
Cheers to you! 😁
Peter, yet another great episode.
I don't want to offend anyone, but I love hearing non native English speakers using terminology or sayings common in English.
It means you have a full understanding of the language and have spent alot of time using it
" Stranger things have happened".
Keep up the good work.
Nah, you cool. I don't think anyone should be offended by your comment. There's nothing offensive about it. Anyone who is offended has some serious issues.
Damn. Realising that it was the same 738 you have flown before must've been quite a chilling moment. Letting that sink in would have not been easy.
Also, I do think your work here, along with Disaster Breakdown and Green Dot Aviation videos, are much more insightful and useful than Mayday. No unnecessary drama, just honest analysis and report. All three of you are doing God's work in properly educating people about aviation safety.
A brilliant analysis of this tragic event. I always thought it was standard policy that a Pilot and FO never have the same meal before or during a flight but perhaps that only applies to food served in-flight?
The classic movie Airplane! comes to mind.
Ironically, five years before the movie, there was a mass food poisoning on a Japan Airlines due to contaminated breakfast omelets that caused nearly 200 people to get sick. Fortunately, the pilots had ordered steak dinners instead due to their biological clocks still being on Alaska time. That allowed them to make an emergency landing and save everyone. That led to airlines starting to make sure crews and passengers be given different meals.
@@Powerranger-le4up Maybe the movie was a reference to that.
@@NiHaoMike64 Indeed.
@@Powerranger-le4upwell there's your problem pod did a vid on that. It was a patreon bonus
It is easy to say, "Wow, those Ethiopian pilots displayed poor airmanship!" or "I would never have done that!" But sometimes ill health combined with disorientation can cause a chain of events that leads to such tragic misfortune. My response instead is, "There go I but for the Grace of God." We have all been there.
I have over 20,000 hours in the Boeing 737, but in your presence, Captain, I am a mere student. There is always so much to learn, and you are a very gifted instructor.
55:02 You did sir, awesome editing, tone of the video, your voice and the use of ms flight sim. Great stuff!
RIP to the 90 passengers on the plane😢, and I can't imagine what their families went through after this. At the same time, thank you Mentour for this yiu make every video with so much attention to detail it's something else!
My wife told me a long time about a book called The Gift of Fear, which as I recall had to do with paying attention when there are odd little warning signs, the type that in hindsight suggested you might have been in danger. It wasn't about flying, and I haven't read it, but I wonder if training might also emphasize more how offhand comments and slightly unusual feelings might be treated with a little more concern, sort of like what I call a little yellow light on the dashboard, and especially for people doing things flying aircraft, performing surgery, etc. Maybe it already is. What a sad story, but informative and as always beautifully and thoughtfully done. Thank you.
The Gift of Fear is about women who become victims of violence by men, and how to trust your instincts when someone feels sketchy (and not to trust things like your dog seemingly liking someone, as that doesn't mean the person is safe). But people are naturally far more attuned to observe latent aggression and malevolent intent than subtle incapacitation. While a lot of things seem like indications of something going wrong in hindsight, it becomes very difficult to operate in real life if you start to analyse every offhand comment and joke. And those suspectible to anxiety will tend to interpret harmless things as threatening, which isn't the end of the world if it means that you leave a date early because it felt off, but you can't really not fly everytime something feels remotely off. At what point you should start paying attention to something being off is a difficult balance.
@@vasilivh Honestly a thing I kind of wish more people would learn is just how bad peoples instincts actually is at detecting anything. Be it at dating or incapacitation. About the only real way to detect subtle incapacitation like this would be to have someone unrelated cross check actions based on a baseline record over a longish period of time.
@@moalboris239 agreed, a very strong instinctive feeling that something is dangerous should probably be heeded, but things can feel slightly off for a million reasons that have nothing to do with anything. Subtle incapacitation when you yourself are subtly incapacitated is probably completely undetectable, realistically speaking.
How strange to stumble across this comment, I'm reading The Gift of Fear right now!
@@vasilivh Agree, hard to discern sometimes, whether you're being overly fearful or if your intuition is actually correct. Hence, it helps if you can become as self aware as possible about your own intuition and it's possible accuracy, or inaccuracy. We all have intuition. I had intuition for years that I was supposed to move from.the east coast of the US to the west. It was in the form of feeling like a cord was pulling me, a cord from my solar plexus area. I ignored it for years, and finally surrendered to it, moved to the west coast, and miraculous things happened. An aviation-related example of this is of soccer player Emiliano Sala, who had a bad feeling about the shoddy plane he was stepping into, on Jan 21, 2019, and even texted a friend something like he had a bad feeling... & not just about the shape of the airplane ... his intuition was talking to him. It would have behooved of him to act on it. Instead, he died that day (night?). The pilot debrief on the accident was fascinating, like all of these analyses are.
Trust me Sir, I have never got scared watching your videos, but this one was bone chilling. You voice, the continuous change of bank angles and pitch and the editing was picture perfect and the continuous rain uff. The first officer not responding in such a swrious situation, all together was a totally different experience to watch😮
Agree. Airliner is almost spinning, the pilots do nothing to fly fast enough, then here is something very very wrong. Why didn't they trim the elevator right?! THAT causes airspeed problems. A child knows that. But it went horribly wrong. The men must have been very ill.
Yes, absolutely, I agree. That was really spooky. This aircraft was working perfectly fine, it had no technical issues at all, right? But it crashed, just because it was mishandled by its pilots.
This is why we should call in sick when we are not feeling well. I wish companies were more lenient about sickness and wouldn't scrutinize their employees about staying home to recover.
In the 1960:s or 70:s(?) there was in Sweden an outbreak of some sort, don't readilly recall the bug causing it, but there is an interesting announcement made
on TV(black&white) by the then doctor-in-lead, made at the end of an interview on the matter. The message is made quite clear. In translation:
"If you feel ill, you should consider yourself a danger to society, and stay at home."
"You should consider yourself a danger to society..."
How many today, can motivate themselfs to do?
High criticality jobs like aircraft pilots especially.
Indeed - and this is the most important lesson to learn from this tragic event!
I got COVID early 2020, called in sick as hell and told my symptoms, then once I could actually walk I asked to stay home and quarantine, don't care if paid or not, I didn't want to spread it.
The head of HR replied that company policy is doctor note after 3 days, get a note or be terminated. Since literally no doctor would see someone with my symptoms, a note was out of the question. So I finally replied that I would appear at work the next morning as required.
They got a clue and told me to stay home a few days, but I was impressed how a large western tech company could have, and enforce, such a stupid policy.
I don't know about in Ethiopia, but generally airlines have a policy of not arguing with pilots saying they are unfit to fly. You don't have to be ill. It can just be that you slept badly and feel fatigued. You call and say you are unfit to fly and they replace you, no questions asked. I'm sure if you did that a lot they would do something - probably send you to an aviation medical examiner - but normally they make a point of not doing anything to discourage such calls.
Former resturaunt manager here. Food poising can be pretty scary and even insidious. Most folk (approx 75%) of people who experience flu like symptoms for just a day or two actually had food poisoning. At least here in the US. I don't know the statistics anywhere else. It also usually takes 12-24 hours to kick in for the most common kinds. Though chemical contamination can be faster, It's also less likely as such tends to be ovious at the cooking stage if not in the first bite or two.
It also why resturuants have stacking order where riskier foods are on lower shelves so that a) they're kept a tad colder, and b) and drippage goes from least dangerous to most dangerous only having floor to drip on.
If we had real immune systems instead of out pampered Western stomachs, none of this would ever manifest with symptoms at all.
I strongly suspect that there is a good chance both pilots were suffering from subtle incapacitation. it would explain why the pilot monitoring was making routine responses, but not taking the initiative to assist in recovery. the particular evidence in my mind was the captain calling go around, and the first officer confirming; when they were nowhere near an appropriate situation for that callout.
That is possible
Also the fact PM was not responding to anything instrument related.
@heinzkot360 yes, that, too.
@@heinzkot360 And not at least that the FO did nothing and also said nothing when the Captain desperately pleased him to help him.
Yeah that bizarre go around call cinched it for me too. These guys were out of their tree. Also responding to the bank angle warnings with "what is that?" was bizarre, although that might have been a response to something else.
I remember this night vividly. We were caught in that heavy storm on our way back from a night out downtown. Then got the news flash. It's always sad when those accidents happen. Thank you for an amazing analysis, I was waiting for years to actually understand what happened that stormy night.
When I heard you say that this meal will be a very important factor, I am ashamed to admit that I thought to myself “I wonder if they ate the fish?”
Somebody else had Lasagna
Surely you were not the only one to think that.
I thought it was going to be an ad for Factor! It's a home meal delivery company 😅
My immediate thought was the chili, but then I am a fan of Thunderbirds.
@@nikopursiainen9097Alright, I'll do it. Don't call him Shirley!
Wow. It’s always quite chilling watching these videos. But it’s even more so thinking that you flew in the very aeroplane featured. Great channel, love the comprehensive detail that you provide.
As always looking forward to this video (still watching it), and has really hit home, as I had a couple friends on this flight who were connecting in Addis to home. As someone who is an ET frequent flyer and really fascinated and proud to have such a well run airline on our continent, I hope to see a video about their history and management to where they are now as Africa's number one airline on your Mentour Now channel!
If for some reason your channel ever fails, you always have a blossoming career as aircraft warning imitator ahead of you
I've watched three of your videos so far, and as someone with a short attention span and no prior aviation knowledge, your videos have kept me engaged in every detail right to the end. You've gained a new subscriber!
Loved this episode's deeper dive into flight characteristics! Great one!
Great to hear that you thought so
I watched the Aircrash investigation version of this crash some time back. As always, thanks for all the additional information you provided, Petter. It is unfortunate that an autopsy of the pilots couldn't be done to provide further clarification on the possible role played by adverse effects of any food consumed.
Agreed. It would be really interesting to see what substances they had (I'm not casting aspersion I mean in general) ingested. We'll never know but I suspect some street food, slightly over done on nutmeg and also maybe more portions as they were hungry combined to give nutmeg poisoning.
@@TheWPhilosopher That is indeed possible, given that they arrived in Beirut in the middle of the night when hardly a restaurant had still an open kitchen.
As soon as I read that it was personal, I thought it was probably an aircraft that you had flown personally. It must've been a hard video to put together, but as always, thoughtful and fabulous. Thank you. Also, well done to your team, very well edited and... The incidental music was... Absolutely Fantastic!
You are very good at what you do (making these video clips) and it is clearly evident that you are passionate about flying and a competent and knowledgeable pilot. Good for you, very few people are this good at what they do. Salute.
Thanks for this one, Peter.. That must have been truly haunting to discover a bird you had sat in met such an ignominious fate. Godspeed to all on board.
Bro you aren't on first name terms with him 😂
@@Zwia. Most people call him that. chill out
@@Zwia. You don't know that.. You don't know me. You have no idea who Peter has a casual relationship with.
The passengers must have been absolutely terrified, they surely would have known something was seriously amiss and the cabin crew certainly would have known. A great case study Captain Petter and one of the more gut wrenching ones too. The fact you had flown this actual aircraft must have sent shivers down your spine.
I don’t believe this flight had passengers.
Luckily it was only the pilots and cabin crew. No passengers
@@kakashisensei38Unfortunately not, there was a total of 90 people on board.
I'm a mechanic, so maybe my perspective is a little different from yours, but I do know one thing. It's ALWAYS a haunting feeling when you know something happened to "your" bird. I've fixed a few aircraft that have gone down over my years working in GA, and yes, even with fatalities on those aircraft. It's always a nasty feeling in your gut knowing that something happened to an aircraft that you personally worked on, even if the accident did not have anything to do with any specific repair you made, and was determined to be pilot error.
Hell, I've seen a fellow mechanic total an aircraft I had just finished working to help repair. where multiple people could have been killed by the irresponsible actions of their fellow crew member.
I've heard and read of this incident a number of times, but hearing you say you've flown /that/ aircraft sent a chill through me. Of all the millions of planes out there. What a crazy world.
I have a connection to this one as well through being Ethiopian (I moved to the USA in 2008 when I was just three years old). Thank you for ignoring the silly theories that it was shot down and what not. As always, your videos are a 10/10 Petter!
not shot down but the pilots were poisoned... intentionally maybe...
@ Doubt they were poisoned on purpose.
This planes situation was not normal
A lot of words came out
From ATC people that night
This was not innocent
@@joeyoutube6113 Yes it was. Cope harder. It was NOT shot down. Nor was it bombed or anything else. It was just your classic pilot error.
@ we all are entitled to our opinions
I wish you could talk to the media as an industry expert after an aircraft incident takes place. The news media often gets the facts confused. Your attention to every detail in your videos is very commendable!
The facts are less important than clicks and viewers for the news media anyway
"media often gets the facts confused" it's obvious when we know the particular subject ... now apply that to every single thing they report on, worrying isn't it.
Except that the "facts" aren't usually known until after the investigation report. Before that it's just speculation.
his attention to detail can only come after the incident final report is out months or years later. the news media is usually all over the place the hour after the incident. if he starts speaking to media at that kind of timing, he'll fall into the same.
@@Kanbei11 I wish that were not true.
Amazing quality as always! finding out a plane you have flown has crashed must really suck! As a PPL pilot i cant imagne seeing the little PA28 that I fly in pieces. Let alone make a video about it. I love your videos, and keep up the amazing work you and your team do! I'll see you at the next upload :D
Every pilot should watch this channel regularly. Could make a huge difference in case of emergency. Im not a pilot myself, but the excellence of explanations about the human factor in emergencies is something to take away and use it in life. Amazing content my friend!
As always, a superb job - especially considering your history with that aircraft.
For some reason I was under the impression that the pilot and copilot were not supposed to eat the same meal. I have no idea where or when I heard that, but is was decades ago.
Very high level of storytelling and video editing. Special thanks to the video editor for the soundscape and animations and overall editing. That heartbeat sound was spot on.👌🏼
You are amazing and the way you explain is outstanding, your perspective is holistic and transparent. Really amazing work
You have no idea how many times I rewatch your videos, a lot of times only to listen to that great voice you’re blessed with.But this one is so different due to the context, I couldn’t.
Bless you Peter.
I was on the edge of my seat the whole episode. Thrilling presentation. Your most epic episode yet. There should be a category in Hollywood for best RUclips documentary. This would win.
It’s too depressing!
Your videos have sparked the biggest interest in me to fly more and I honestly would love to become a pilot! Thank you for all the knowledge you share with us! 🎉❤
This is FANTASTIC to hear, thank you and go for it!
Thank you for the effort you put in while producing these amazing videos. They are very much interesting and informative.
I hope you'd one day make a video on the 2012 Dana air crash in Nigeria.
Unfortunately someone i know passed away on that very flight. Thanks for sharing the insights.
Your channel is fabulous. For me the best aviation channel in the world. Greetings from Portugal ! 👍🇵🇹🙂
And British Columbia, Canada 🇨🇦
Thank you very much!
Dang that is crazy that you flew that plane.
Ethiopian Airline is great. Trust me
Not crazy, just a coincidence.
@@stevemawer848coincidences doesnt exists
@@stevemawer848a crazy coincidence
I googled the flight, saw it had no survivors, and after a few moments of fearing that Mentour Pilot is a ghost making youtube videos, I realized he meant the route, not that specific flight
Following you from long time. You have given us a content I would even pay to watch for, but seeing this on this platform is more than wish being fulfilled for aviation fan like me. Asking you to cover about the unsafe flying condition in Nepal. Thank you.
I'm so sorry this happened to a plane that you once had a connection to. I know that eerie feeling myself. The feeling may linger forever and actually develop into a vague, unsettling yet permanent bond to the object. Take care that it doesn't become a haunting thing.
I had a severe turbulence event in a plane out of Laguardia. A plane you did a video on was parked at the gate next to mine the very same day of my departure, as i verified with the tail number
Which one?
Ok and… did it crash?
@@ryanlittleton5615Not sure, but it was about an Ebraums plane, same model as the one I was flying
@@bravefastrabbit770 no?
You had turbulence? @@HumbleHonkingEnthusiast
Either severe food poisoning or that they got drugged, that both of them stopped being "normal" is a pretty tell tale sign if you ask me. Nothing else really makes a lot of sense in this case. I would also lean towards food poisoning due to the time frame.
This explains it well. A very bad case of food poisoning.
In fact, bacterial food poisoning can cause extreme tiredness, loss of reflexes and malaise to set in much before the vomiting and intestinal distress begins.
It's just not possible to do anything requiring concentration in this state.
At our flying club I was assigned as a check pilot to sign off a newly retired airline captain who joined our club on one of our airplanes. I felt like I was the student and was honored to fly with this highly experienced captain with thousands or hours. We filed since it was a low overcast. He took off and we were IMC shortly. He had to execute a right turn, and few seconds later he instantly got us into an unusual attitude, complete loss of control. He did exactly that, cross controlled, tumbled the attitude indicator. I took the controls, managed to recover. I was shaking with terror.
We narrowly escaped . He was profusely apologizing. I landed and have never been the same. Being an engineer this personal experience made me analyze the human component. Personally I conclude that with all the training, and out-side the envelope event can lead anyone to a cognitive short circuit.. all you need is the right combination of stressors. I hope new auto pilots could be equipped with an oh-crap button. We absolutely have the technology. I stopped flying in IMC after that.
Given the sheer number of GA accidents involving VFR into IMC, I don't blame you for giving instrument-only conditions a miss after that terrifying close call!! 😦
Spatial & situational awareness seem to be vulnerable to such quick potential decline; really scares me. As you note, even all the training which is meant to make responses automatic doesn't always seem to successfully resolve this! Although I do feel like, as with most things, "forewarned is forearmed"? Hopefully these types of shared stories & detailed analyses may help people to at least recognize when they're getting into a risky situation, & perhaps allow them to learn from others' experience before crisis hits personally?
You are more than an excellent storyteller, you really do an excellent job of teaching us about airplanes and how they work. Moreover you explain in great detail what causes the problems at the root of who and why. Keep these stories coming