I figured out Jokers Joke.
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- Опубликовано: 12 июн 2020
- I changed my opinion on this movie because I figured out the Joke.
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Where Heath Ledger's Joker explored how a "realistic" Joker as a criminal mastermind would behave Joaquin Phoenix's Joker explored how a man with Joker's mindset would realistically be made. Both are great, just for different reasons.
Agree with you here.
Agreed
Fight club did it better
More so the book than the movie
I dont agree with you. This is not the Joker's mindset. The Joker's mind is complicated. There are plans within plans. This movie is like watching someone with mild autism fantasize about murdering someone they hate. Infact, one can argue that we can't even be sure if anything in the movie was real. It could all have been his fantasy.
@Airock the Great OH YEAH? How many BLM members or ANTIFA have been shot dead since the riots started? Ledger's Joker is closer to reality than you think.
The death of the Waynes was the punchline, that's how I interpreted the joke he's refering to
Yeah, Arthur was a mentally ill loner who's mom may or may not be his real mom and is rejected by the people he wanted to see as father figures and the reality being he never knew his father. Arthur's upbringing makes him grow up to become a psychopathic nihilistic clown who to some can be seen as a vigilante or even a hero. This Bruce Wayne gets his parents killed and the irony is Arthur's actions kind of caused the samething to happened to Bruce, they're not too different and the irony is how Thomas Wayne would find the whole idea of someone hiding behind a mask as cowardish.
Thats just it. If we negate the comics and base it on the movie itself. The Waynes DIDNT DIE. It was just one of Arthur's delusions. Think about it, every time Thomas Wayne was shown. He was surrounded by guards. Why would they just suddenly disappear and why would the Waynes go to a movie house downtown? Do you think Bill Gates goes to the chinese cinema every once a year? Nothing in this movie is real! That is the punch line.
Remember that knock knock joke he told in Murray's show about a mother who gets notified that her son had an accident and died? If he finds that funny is not a surprise that he finds funny a kid loosing his parents in a protest, so yeah, the whole movie might just been a really elaborate joke with an ironic punchline.
@@johandrytenias1725 Yeah makes sense. A joke within a joke that's inside another joke. Clever.
That WAS the joke! This video is dumb. Bruce's parents were killed during the riots, and the Joker might have been there dancing on a car! The talk with his psychiatrist would have happened days afterwards. Obviously the Joker is THINKING about their death, and that's why it shows it. The Joker has the last laugh! That's the whole punchline!
I mena tbh I thought the villans all mirrored Batman
Two face - Batman’s struggle to be both Batman and Bruce Wayne
Joker - Batman’s uncertainty if he’s just as bad as the villans he fights
Bane - Batman’s agressive and dominating nature
Manbat- batman is usally belived to be a supernatural bat creature
Red hood - Batman’s failures as a father and a constant reminder of what Batman’s would be mike if he didn’t mind killing
The Joker is related to Batman in that he’s the flip side of everything Batman is. Every other member of Gotham’s rogues gallery is an aspect of Batman.
i say bane is more a mirror of his physical & mental skills and training (people always forget bane isn't just a muscle man henchmen but is as smart as he is strong)
and joker is more a test of his ideals and beliefs, how long is he willing to hold them up even with people like joker and as how he cares for the city and peoples wellbeing joker could care less
Riddler is supposed to be his intelligence and Penguin is his wealth
@@christopherauzenne5023 what about Mr. Freeze or clay face? Scarecrow? It feels like youre just grasping at straws here.
Probably Not Satan oh uh
Mr freeze- doing things/working outside the law in the name of the people they loved
Scarecrow- using the power of fear against people and to gain power (scarecrow in general Batman for criminals and the advantage in a fight)
Clay face- not entirely sure because not that well acquainted with the character but if I had to guess the struggle of identity? Considering his power is shapeshifting that could mirror Batman’s identity issue between His normal life Bruce Wayne and his alter egos life
The Joker almost says this when he refers to batman being just as crazy as the villains he locks up in the comic Arkum Asylum.
the whole point of be costome villion so when they got catch they don't get the chair... and as comic book they can reused them..
Fact so dope.
Well maybe you’re just imagining this all in your mind!
Maybe I will kick your butt
What type of question is that maybe doesn't apply here
But does that make it any less real?
I like how he show that its not only Snyder's Batman who kills.
Yeah, Batman directors think he's Dirty Harry in a cape, lol!🤣
2:40 in canon, Bruce Wayne spends roughly twice as much on various charities in Gotham as he does on Batman. These include, but aren't limited to
Drug rehab, work skill courses, after school programs, free clinics(several), Gotham schools, the GCPD and a significant portion of Arkham's annual budget.
The place could easily be renamed "Waynesville" at this point
the court wouldnt allow it xD
Joaquin Phoenix nailed the symptoms of PBA so well.
Why is it so hard to hear what Joker is saying? He laughs because he's thinking about killing the psychiatrist, and when she asks what's so funny he gives the punchline, "you wouldn't get it". Then we cut to the invention of Batman and then a few shots later we see Joker walking down a hallway with bloody shoeprints - him imaginaing he killed the psychiatrist (or he actually killed the psychiatrist).
Thinking about that scene, after the riots are done, Bruce is left alone next to his dead parents. But we all know as an audience that the Joker isn't omniscient, yet we are unsure of whether he is aware of this or not. This creates unease and forces us to question whether the Joker really knows as much as we think or whether he knows more. This feeling is a parting relation from the Joker to the audience. Nowhere else in the whole film did they decide to just cut away to something else for a few seconds. It's done for drama. It's the outcome of Joker's mayhem. It's unintentional, brutal, and chaotic, so much so, he's not even aware of it. Or perhaps we were mislead the entire time, he really is aware, he really did start a movement. He obeyed his inner-self when he killed those wallstreet guys and just look what became of it.
It's silly that we listen to his speech on Murray's show about how he's not the kind of clown who could start a movement but then assume he cares or even knows that Bruce Wayne's parents are dead (although he would probably laugh at that).
They cut away to different scenes for a few seconds very many times in the movie.
Jeez dude, good theory
Anti-Logic, listen to the song "Flaming Telepaths" by Blue Oyster Cult. It explains this Joker perfectly. This song should have been on the sound track.
Not "I started a joke" by the Bee Gees?
@@handsomebrick That's a good song, too. I'm just focusing on the Joker mentally as a character. When it comes to the relationship between the BOC song and the movie the joke in the movie is the gun. The song uses the slang term for gun, which is "iron." The best verse and greatest ending to a song is them repeating the line "And the jokes on you."
Another song I would have picked was Lyndsay Buckingham's acoustic version of "Go Insane," but the song came out 3 years (1984) after the time Joker takes place. The lyrics fit how the Joker sees himself in society.
You should work in music supervision, dude. Nice eye... I mean ear!
Espers does a pretty good cover
I love that song :P
'batman is also a villain' is such an old shabby idea
The thing is, he may not have been a criminal mastermind at first, he's at the start of his career. Maybe he would have become one in time.
I don't see it. In my interpretation, Arthur was hella emotional. Hella reactionary. And definitely not smart enough to become the nemesis of a man who anyone could call "the world's greatest detective"
@@marcgonzalez9690 and could the reason why the "world's greatest detective " can't solve that mystery. The intellent detective thinking like an intelligent mastermind criminal in order to predict his every move. But batman fails because that's not how the joker thinks.
Marc Gonzalez he may not be smart enough but he’s definitely crazy enough. He’s the perfect Catalyst and antagonist to Batman.
Marc Gonzalez definitely he could do it the way joker is , is a big reason why batman won’t kill him he forces him 2 think outside the box
@@marcgonzalez9690 Actually, his speech on the Murray show displays quite a lot of analysis and intelligence, if we're being honest. I don't think he was ever an idiot at all, just so awkward he came off that way, often how we perceive the mentally ill. Also, little touches like 'they couldn't carry a tune to save their lives' and replacing 'sense' with 'cents' to make a commentary on media reactions etc, is incredibly intelligent.
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In Batman's comics the Joker seems to be the only one that knows he's just a comic book character. Maybe that is the joke. He figured out nothing is real. Like his delusions he had, it doesn't matter if it's real or not. He was mad that the poor and mentally ill has no power but even the most powerful have no power. That are a slave to the story and that's the punchline
Going into this movie, I wasn't expecting it to be an origin for the comic Joker, so I enjoyed it on its own terms.
It's great to hear you were willing to give it another chance and were able to get something new out of it. It seem that a lot of people aren't willing to do that these days. Great video.
Glad you changed your mind, buddy. I don't see a lot of movies these days, especially not in the theaters, and I walked out of that one literally exhausted, and people in my audience didn't say a single word the whole time and I think a lot of them felt the same way by the time it was over. I'm not a huge comic book movie guy and have passed on most of them, but this one was no mere comic book movie. This was an experience. Phoenix's performance had me thinking that any acting I'd seen before that was a grade-school production in comparison.
BTW... you don't make enough videos man. And you deserve an audience 10 times the size you've got.
the dude it’s like a bunch of simpletons talking to each other
@@jasoneaton4520 bro what are you talking they ain't simpletons there talking how they like the video why do you have to keep crapping on these comments it's meaningless what do you think it will do nothing and stop being a troll you simpleton
Nobody is seeing movies in theatres these days bud lol
@@dakotathacker3821 After Snakes on a Plane, I've seen about 4 movies in the theater. After 2020, I might just never see one again.
Related theory: could Arthur have been laughing because he sort of predicted Batman? He is slightly fixated on the Wayne family, maybe he realized that Thomas Wayne would be targeted by the rioters, but not a little boy like Bruce, even if he didn't actually see it happen. And maybe he wasn't imagining Batman specifically, but he recognized that Bruce had a lot of opportunities in life and having this kind of experience at such a young age could result in a larger-than-life, cartoonish kind of person with a perverse mania for law and order which he could indulge with his immense resources while concealed behind a respectable corporate alter ego. Maybe he even plans to urge these events along in some way (possible sequel premise?).
That’s way to specific of a prediction. A million things could’ve happened to Bruce after his parents died. He could commit suicide, leave Gotham and never return, he could become a politician like his father, there’s no way Joker could’ve predicted that.
No. Arthur is laughing because no matter how hard or how outrageous of an idea the audience can come up with, we didn't get and will never get the joke.
trollnumber420 69 What’s wrong with people analyzing movies? I think you miss the point.
@@victornieves1794 the problem is when you overanalyze and project things onto the film that aren't really there as an attempt to portray the movie as being better than it actually is. It's fine to talk about a movie and theorize. But when you start using those theories as excuse for a bad movie it starts to get pretty ridiculous pretty fast.
Honestly that would be hell of a twist, but I don't think we will ever get an official confirmation about the real meaning behind the final joke of the film.
I think the joke was the one he shouted before killing Murray. Only now, it applies to Thomas Wayne, especially considering how the thug was wearing a clown mask and repeated the punchline: he got what he deserved. Joker finds it funny that the same person who looked down on him and everyone else in Gotham City, who punched him in the face just a few days earlier, was finally killed.
OR
He created the person who put him back in Arkham Asylum, and he enjoys the cycle of going in, breaking out, fighting Batman, and repeating it on numerous occasions. As long as he creates anarchy, knowing that even the hero trying to stop it was created by him, it’s hilarious to him.
I thought the punchline was that psychiatric help was defunded when he was trying to make it on his own, but was offered to him once he was in prison. I thought that's why he laughed at the psychiatrist and said wouldn't get the joke.
good point
Usually Bruce Wayne is shown to promote his city with his money.
I don't really believe this theory, but I love the idea
You were right with your 1st evaluation of this movie, it’s horrible and it sucks... stop trying to figure out a way to make this movie good, it was bad... and hopefully they learned from it. Unsubscribed!
I dont believe in bruce wayne
J H God forbid someone has a differing opinion than your whiny, “unsubscribing” ass- all cuz a dude liked a movie. Hahahahaha. Say it out loud. Go ahead, see how stupid that sounds.
J H actually Joker was a good film. So no one would care about you unsubscribing because of your toxicness
@@amandamcconathy how is it bad?
The Dark Knight made me realize that the Joker is actually an antihero. This video made me realize Batman is a villain, and its all just a story from the Joker's perspective. It all makes perfect sense now.
This is a man who truly doesn't understand Batman.
True Batman is my favorite hero then he just threw shame at him
I honestly did not understand at all what this guy was saying
@@brun0z691 Me either. I thought it was Jaden Smith trying to do a "cool youtube analysis video." He honestly, doesn't understand very much about the true struggles of who batman is.
No this man is on to something if his completely wrong about batman then gotham would be a much better place but accourding to what i see from the comics that led to joker war his got a point
Care to elaborate, go left?
I don't like what batman became. Batman should function as Wayne, Matches malone then batman. Basically batman should be a magic show to scare the mob/ gangs. A long con that ends with a long planned batman appearance. Instead of swinging around punching guys wayne should work in secret to keep the myth alive.
Batman actually makes a ton of sense as a vigilante magician. All of his abilities could easily be explained as one of the three branches of performance magic: his super detective abilities could be simple mentalist techniques in disguise, and his intimidating presence and hyper-competence could just be fabricated illusions mixed with escapology.
Sarafan Dumah stop talking childhood crap and grow up! These movies are mocking you!
@@jasoneaton4520 what?
@@leafyishereisdumbnameakath4259 ^
@@leafyishereisdumbnameakath4259 bro what did he say he is saying some interesting ideas but you had to crap on it and it's not childish you know adults like Batman and can be dark and can be adult so shut up you saying some bullcrap get out of here
Plot Twist
The entire movie was a joke
This movie was better than suicide squad and the other dceu movies
Bruce wayne does do alot for Gotham in the comic he always giving towards charity's and the villains he fights are psychopath murderers
This guy doesn't read comics it seems
I love this because it fits into one heavy hitting moment in the comic books. There isn't one Joker, but three. It would also go to explain why we see so many different takes on the Joker.
Because there are multiple Jokers. Auther Flik was just the first, the figure head that started it all. As heath ledgers Joker once said. "Madness is like gravity, all it takes is a little push."
This sounds like a FOX or CNN news take on Batman
And that can be true in recent times.
@kartikadewi3270 I kinda doubt those news networks changed in 2 years
@@strikerfrost7222 Considering bad things happen everyday, I bet they eventually will.
@@kartikadewi3270 That sounds pretty ominous dude are you like a domestic terrorist or sum?
I frakken love this theory. It explains so much. Its why the joker seems to never die despite numerous things that should have killed him, his unparalleled skill list that seems to include all but creating nuclear materials out of nothing like McGuyver, how no one seems to know who he is, etc. He is no one because he's everyone. He doesn't break out of jail, there's just a new joker bout to blow up a gas station lol. This works. I like this
The first inherent flaw in your ideas is trying to treat comics and movies as the same. They aren't, not even close. The characters are different and the worlds are different. You also realize Joker is nothing more than a remake of The King of Comedy. I guess more a reimagining as Joker as the lead character. It;s meant to be more of a look at would could break a man so badly that he would become The Joker.
I don't understand how people can't see this. This is a realistic look at how an average man can be broken down enough to slip into insanity. They're just using the idea of the Joker to represent that breaking point. Everything else in the Batman universe is completely irrelevant in this story.
This was actually touched on in a batman story. Where Bruce was locked in Arkham and all his villians were just doctors or other patience. The Riddler was a dorctot that always asked too many questions, Two-Face was a mentally ruined burn victim, and I think Joker was the head Doctor. Defientally worth a read.
Warner brothers: write that down! Write it down!
Joker : "Okay, so there's this guy named Joe."
Who is Joe ?
@@Chad_Darwin Get him.
@@Darth_Bateman shit
@@Darth_Bateman a little late, but I got him.
Actually Bruce does try to help Gotham, film versions don’t show it at all. Gotham 89 shows him hosting charity balls for the poor, animated shows him donating to numerous causes, the Batman donating to children’s hospitals and orphanages.
I always assumed it was all in his head, and that he held delusions of his influence, but was able to live in a confident reality whenever smoking. Take notice of that.
This is just my opinion and why I absolutely loved this film.
In this adaptation of Joker, Batman represents the established order whereas Arthur unwittingly became the symbol of class struggle and rebellion. Thomas Wayne looked down on the protesters with contempt. The only reason he ran for office was because he saw himself as their only salvation. Another rich figure that thinks he knows better than all the masses. When the lower class finally begins to unite, Thomas Wayne says "Gotham has lost its way." Thomas got his billions off of the backs of the working class. He took advantage of them for his own profit. He kept saying his workers are like his family, but he didnt even take the time to reach out to them. It was evident with how he treated Penny Fleck and it was evident after Arthur killed the three Wayne employees. "While I didnt know them personally, I consider all my employees family"(paraphrasing it here) is how Thomas reacted to their death. How can you consider them family if you dont even know who they are? Thomas just speaks hyperbole. He doesnt care for the individuals, he only cares about the PR. It wouldnt be that far of a stretch that he would instill these values into Bruce. So after his parents get murdered, Bruce will forever be trying to return Gotham to the way Thomas envisioned it. The Gotham that benefits the rich and created this class warfare to begin with. A Gotham that will forever be in chaos. And that is where Joker shines. It shines the light on that hypocrisy. Gotham and the established order's treatment and exploitation of the working and lower class is creating these villains. That is the joke that Arthur sees that no one else will get.
I think the Joker knew his protest killed Thomas Waybe but most wouldn't understand that was the genius in Joker coming alive. Joker despite his lack of education and poor handwriting, is still a genius that was abused to insanity
I always saw the laugh as a realization of how crazy he’s made things... He realizes he has created his perfect equal, someone who thinks theyre a hero. Batman. He realizes that through his craziness he has created someone equally as crazy as him but completely opposite of him. Its funny
I think the joke is that by igniting the riots Arthur not only makes things harder for people but also creates his own nemesis. There is no way in hell Bruce forgets Arthur after he shows up at Wayne manor, then a few days after Arthur plunges the city into chaos which gets the Wayne’s killed which inspires Bruce to take vengeance on the kind of people that killed his parents and Arthur who he blames for his parents death.
I always thought that he was laughing at his life and how it ended up, so to him the Wayne’s dying, him locked up and talking to another psychiatrist/psychologist that “doesn’t listen” he figures why try and explain what’s funny when they won’t get it/don’t actually care. So he just laughs at his own joke.
I think the joke would go something like this:
"Knock knock"
"Who's there?"
"Its the police ma'm, you're sister and her husband was killed"
I know it doesn't make much sense but it was the only thing i thougt when we saw Bruce standing alone, because of the joke he told Murray
"The Killing Joke" does not explain how he is a genius
Dark Knight did haha
Carl Carnage actually him driving someone almost insane and crippling Barbara in the same night is kinda smart. But am I’m saying I’m an idiot 🤪
i used to like to think the chemicals did a number on him
the "Batman doesn't kill people" sequence had me dead
I think he's just a character in a story who realizes he's in a story, and he plays his role accordingly. That's the joke. That nothing matters because it's just a story.
@Abigail Slaughter Not neccesarily. Deadpool does realize he's in a story, but he doesn't quite play his role. He constantly breaks the rules by breaking the fourth wall. The Joker is a showman. That's who he is. So, he wouldn't break the fourth wall. If he knew he was supposed to be a villian in a story. He would be the best villain he could possibly be.
I don't think you should be calling it a Comic book movie at all.
There was a Joker comic book in the '70s. And in one issue he faces a superhero called The Creeper, a guy who used to be a talk show host until he got killed (in one version, he got shot in the head) which activated his super-healing powers. The creators of the movie also claimed partial inspiration from a Batman comics story called The Killing Joke, where the Joker claims that he started out as a normal guy struggling to make ends meet until he suffered a series of tragedies before being forced into the costume of a supervillain and getting arrested, although he admits that his memories are not reliable.
RandomUser it’s the JOKER....
It wasn’t a comic book movie at first. WB just threw on the joker title to make $$$$ which worked lol.
@@handsomebrick watch The King of Comedy from 1982. Which actually even stars DeNiro. It was never hidden that this is basically a remake of that. They just basically had Joker thrown in for sales.
@@justfriends7581 the movie that you are referring to is not The Joker. But this movie is a comic book movie.
I think have too many dollar signs there. WB hardly put any money into it compared to their other movies. And I wasn't just talking about DC movies. But one thing is for sure, it works and is so far the best DC movie to date. The lowest budget DC movie that made the most money.
When you say he wasn’t smart/intimidating or could never be a criminal mastermind, I think you miss the part of the movie where he is on stage and finally his personality cracks and he loses his grip on the reality he used to live. He still has grasp of reality, but almost loses the context of how it applies to his life now. It’s the transition at the end which is important and leads him to becoming the ruthless and unsympathetic genius that he is.
I thought the joke was that Arthur thought he was related to Bruce Wayne, then finding out he wasn't and then being the reason why bruces parents died, thus being related to him, just not by blood.
A hard working fool is someone who learns and puts effort into everything they do.
A smart man, a good leader is someone who can pick the right person for the right job. That's one of the reasons why the Joker is considered quite intelligent.
Can you please explain ?
I thought the joke was he killed batman's parents.
That's the punchline the joke would be Gotham it self
@@jamiedutton7257 oh
I always thought batman killing criminals makes more sense consider his character and backstory
For a man that is fueled by rage 24/7 for his parents deaths, he sure is a true pacifist.
Then you do not understand batman as a character at all.
Not killing is the ONLY THING separating him from the people he is fighting
@@petercarioscia9189 exactly if he did he would be no different from other criminals and be another anti hero that's what makes him different from other anti heroes
He has a code to save anyone he can and to not kill, even the criminals he captures. Batman is a vigilante hero who uses fear, tech, and raw cunning to bring his sense of justice.
@@petercarioscia9189 Batman will kill if there is no other solution. Batman's only rule is to "win at any cost."
Stumbled on your vids. Great content and explanations
It takes a strong mad to admit when he's wrong. I respect that. Great video too. Been watching your videos lately and you have such a respect for the art💯💯 I find it inspiring. Keep it up. Stay blessed 🙌🏾
6:02 legit found out about it a few days ago. There's a hour long video that's very good caleld the rise and fall of pheonix jones
Yeah Authur Fleck is hyper sensitive like DeadPool which would basically make him DC's DeadPool making Authur realizing he's in a movie or hyper manipulative/delusional enough to convince others just my guess and I like your assessment of the movie.
If you remember from the Dark Knight trilogy Bruce Wayne fought corporate corruption by day and Batman fought crime by day. Both were the true causes for Gothams downfall. He did have major trust issues which kept him from truely working with other people asides Lucius Fox and Jim Gordon.
I do want to mention that in BTAS we see Bruce Wayne try to help people as much as he can. He even tries to offer jobs and opportunities to reformed criminals who can't find a job elsewhere.
dang how it take you more than one watch to realize this ? 😭😭
As if on cue here you are with another great video....keep up the good work man
we never have seen the joker before becoming the joker. it could be he was already a genius or above average man, in terms of intellect and physical performance, but there is the chance, like the fake story that joker told in the killing joke, that he was just an average, even mediocre guy, that after a bad day, he turn bad, and practiced becoming better and better in being the joker
like the killing joke, you never see him doing anything after he got out the pool of chemicals, just that he laughed, even though it was a made up story, there is a possibility that he wasn't the same joker at the end in that moment, and it took years to become one
like the killing joke, and based on how the movie ends, and how clean everything looks in Arkham, compared to the rest of the movie, the possibility that everything in the movie was just him, already a full fledge joker, that kills without remorse, telling a made up story about what happened to the therapist before killing her. and as well in character with the joker, the story he told was one that he was a victim of a very bad life, instead of a day, so the audience will feel for him, before killing her in cold blood and then dance and do goofy stuff like a joker would.
you can see this based on the inconsistencies in the stories, that seems more like a guy telling a lie that a real story. example will be the part of him killing the rich frat boys, that a gun that holds 6 shoots around 9 times, that a movie as detailed as this couldn't have missed that. the part that he enters the theater without problems, even though it was heavily guarded. the part of him getting so close to the son of the most powerful man in the city without problems, and being able to overpower alfred, that even if in this movie he wasn't a retire spec ops like many stories, he still just a fragile guy that gets knocked out by kid and doesn't appear to be strong. and many more.
all seems like he is just telling, like the killing joke, and ledger in dark knight, a made up sad story about him being the victim of a cruel world that he just snapped, even though he killed the therapist and danced after wards with no remorse, something he was still struggling at the end of his story, that every time he killed, he seemed hesitant afterwards, indicating that he probably has killed way more and had gotten used and good at it, something that isn't in the movie.
He could also be faking his disability to get off on an insanity defense and could really be a super genius crime boss with science fiction gadgets. A mob boss and cult leader pulling capers, whacking people and running rackets with cyberpunk tech is still grimdark enough for a neo-noir R rated movie.
Glad you are back! This channel has the best insight and conveys them brilliantly
The whole movie, up until the asylum, is just another one of Joker's stories.
Yeah basically he ended up being like Ledgers Joker with his "Ya wanna know how I got these scars?"
*That he’s not the real joker and it was just a troll to get asses in the seats and everybody still went for it anyway ?*
*Edit: hmm...I see.*
You know I never get notifications for your videos, but when they pop up a week to a month or so later its always a treat.
If there was any scene with Arthur drawing outrageous circus-performer, comic-book-esque inspired doodles, or anything referential hidden in the background, I'd welcome this theory with open arms.
I thought he was laughing because he created Batman by traumatizing Bruce Wayne the same way he was created by childhood trauma as well. Getting the ultimate revenge on Thomas Wayne.
Your description of Batman was spot on to what my view on the character are.
And this is why Keaton is coming in the flash movie, DC definitely taking a darker tone and I’m hyped!
Well like you said it takes place in the real world. I figured the ending was the joker could actually be REAL. Every time you turn on the news you see someone do something evil like the joker. But at the same time how many people you see become Batman.
I see this differently
My take:
He was in Arkham all along telling his story/account of what brought him there. He did kill the guys on the subway n his mom n Murray some of his life is there mixed w lies. I dont think they glorified him n had bad upbringin. Those were to make you feel for him. In the end... he's psycho n plain loves to kill as he did the counselor at the end
SO... When he laughs n says you wouldn't get it.
That is the Joker sayin sometimes I remember it one way sometimes another.
(This a nod to THE KILLING JOKE)
.......or Why so serious?" THAT WAS MY FIRST TAKE THE FIRST TIME I SAW THE MOVIE, HE BASICALLY PULLED OUT A LEDGER´S JOKER FAKE PAST TALE, LIKE HE USED TO TELL HIS VICTIMS BEFORE KILLING THEM.
He is also like Keyser Soze.
The nolan movies sure, but captain america and watchmen being “more realistic?” Really?
I'd say Watchmen is a lot more realistic when it comes to putting real life human beings in a fictional setting, but otherwise... I mean theres a flying owl ship... come on. But Captain America (I'm guessing he means Winter Soldier) is no where near as realistic or sharply politically relevant as people say it is.
@@tomstar132 what aspect of watchmen is realistic? Which characters are you referring to as real human beings? What about them makes you classify them that way? I'm genuinely curious
@@madlucky4193 Mainly the characters, it definitely feels more like what real people who dress up and fight crime would be like. It's obviously not The Boys level (plus there is a flying owl plane and whatever Dr Manhattan is) but definitely more realistic than mainstream comics/movies.
Very good! Even better than your previous film theory, which though uncomfortable, was sound, lol!
You are a great man for changing your points of view. Wholesome!
Batman is actually really stupid. The villains always escape and kill more people. The solution is obvious, but then the series would end or they would actually have to come up with new villains all the time.
That's literally the whole plot of Injustice
Eh...batman isn't stupid, he's flawed and he's psychologically damaged. He cannot kill. It's not that he won't, or that he refused too; he simply CAN NOT kill.
People call it his "one rule" but it's more like the very core of his being.
Batman KNOWS he is damaged, he's a broken man. He also knows that he's on a razors edge of sanity. And if he ever were to kill, he would become the very thing he swore to fight; there wouldn't be anything differentiating him from the monsters he fights, the monster that he's fighting inside himself.
Batman doesn't want to get rid of the higher up criminals. They are the only thing that is maintaining order in Gotham's criminal world. Low level criminals listens to their bosses above them. And those listens to the ones above them and so on. The top crime bosses keep each other in check. Since each one of them want to be on top and don't want their rivals to gain more power than themself. The balance between chaos and order is under control.
Batman is there to make sure that there is balance and maintains it. Everytime when the criminal world is heading towards the direction of the big implosion of Gotham's criminal world, he knows that he can always count on the Joker to stir things up and reset things preventing the natural implosion that is a lot bigger from taking place. That's why we see the Joker escape Arkham and cause a little chaos and order, then not long after, batman takes him back to Arkham. And the cycle continues. This maintains balance in the criminal world as well as the police. It prevents a world where there are little to no criminals from emerging. Because this prevents the police from going after the general non-criminal population.
The joker film is non canonical, the Wayne’s were added just for effect. To progress jokers film
I believe the joke was that he realized along the way that he was in a work of fiction. That no matter how truthfully he told the story to the psychiatrist it would still be fiction. There would have been no way the psychiatrist would have had the insight to get the joke so he never bothered to explain it. Even if the movie was entirely grounded in universe he could still be dissociating after all the insanity he experienced. The joke was everything.
2:47 there was a storyline where he gave a thug a job after fighting the guy as Batman.
Was it Batman: Noel?
*Sigh* the trite and cliched' "Batman is the REAL villain of Gotham, and could do so much more with his money as Bruce Wayne!"
Yes. I'm sure Ra's al Ghul will stop trying to blow up the Earth for eco-terrorist reasons as soon as Bruce Wayne just throws money at him or sends a social worker to reason with him. Uggh, I can't believe this stupid theory is still around and being parroted as if it's some amazing and innovative insight.
Also considering in the comics he does often help the people of Gotham, with several programs and charities, helping the criminals he fights, the fact he still needs to make a profit or else all his money will go away then what’ll happen and the fact the system is also corrupt so he takes matters to take them down as well
Only people who haven’t read a single comic say this as a slam dunk point. Batman shot a radion bullet into Darkseid in order to save the multiverse and people still think he’s just a corrupt billionaire preying on the weak.
@MR Shedan yeah and lets not forget in one episode it's revealed he gave jobs to some of the crooks he fights, the ones that are just down on there luck people. and this isn't just show inclusive comics do this too, but hey no lets just go with the flimsy thesis argument that "the superheros are the REAL villains" to make you sound like some genius thinker
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Pretty sure the fact all his rogues except the « mafia type » ones always ends up in Arkham for treatment despite them always breaking out of there and causin way more havoc.
Bruce even said in the killing joke to the joker « I can help you » . For a man like Bruce , to say that to the murderer of his second adopted son(a death still to this day he never forgave himself for , even tho Jason is alive and well as Red Hood) is brave and a proof Batman doesn’t just go around to punch them all , he does it to save the city and when he see an opportunity, to save the villains from themselves (like Freeze)
He's spent millions on rehabilitating two-face, riddler, TWO Clayfaces man-bat, freeze, poison ivy and Harley Quinn specifically. I'm sure there's others I've forgotten as well. He also provided both legal aid and investigative work to HELP THE JOKER AVOID A FALSE CONVICTION!
But he's the *Real* villain of Gotham...
The creators said that there isn't going to be a squeal you liar and I debunk this theory of yours it still takes place in a fictional city
Think again
What if the sequel worked in a similar way to the film 'Sucker Punch'? Like, you could still have gangs and cults inside Arkham, and the movie would constantly jump back and forth between Arthur in the asylum and The Joker running his cult against Batman and the rest of the rogues gallery. The world in Arthur's mind would corelate to the events in Arkham. Batman visits Arthur in the asylum years after the riots, and in the comic world of Arthur's mind, Batman visits Joker like the scene in 'The Dark Knight'. There could be a nurse who Arthur has a crush on, and that could be the whole Harley situation only this time there's no twist like in the first film, we and Arthur both know that it's a fantasy. Then, halfway through the film, Arthur's cult breaks him out and now, he's going to make his fantasies into reality. Only, reality isn't like a comic book, and the movie ends with Arthur's plans leading to the deaths and arrests of his group. Arthur is either shot by someone else or he commits suicide, both result in him finally reaching his fantasy world and becoming the Joker, forever running from his problems with quick wit and a wide grin.
You are a genius. We need more videos.
LMAO now you come back after all this time and show the joker film some love ? you lost some credibility when you dissed it . ..but now you got some back.
That was a COMPLETE WASTE OF TIME!!!
What do you mean nothing that you are saying makes sense and how is it because you talking bull crap and people actually agreeing with you shows how many stupid people there are
He still doesn’t fell like the joker to me. If he wasn’t completely stupid then I would believe it but if Batman went one on one with this guy, he would get rocked in a heartbeat
I like this theory. It would treat the Joker somewhat how Gotham the television show did. By the time Bruce grows up the Heath Ledger version could start out loving the chaos created by this influencer.
I still think it's an overrated movie!
Fans should really read the older comics of Batman before they comment on how Batman never kills
The conclusion of this video was great! I could completely go for the “Joker” 2 analogy.
Damn glad to see your videos again...amazing work man
Now THIS is an interesting take - I'm glad you did this and happier I watched it.
There's a comic series where the joker and bats team up to find a cure for something they both were injected with. In that we see the cult of joker in France and he says they have branches all over the world, however he didn't create it
Dude I think your alternate takes are cool as hell to think about. I get to watch the movie with a new lense, or two.. or three
I actually want to see a scarecrow themed villain in a movie called scarecrow where it focuses on a new kind of DC Scarecrow who has another way of showing fear
love ya work bro
you just turned Joker into Buggy-sama!
Dude it took me two watches to appreciate and understand more of what was going on. I will admit I liked it the first time watching it too, but watching it twice made me appreciate it more
your breakdown is SOLID. like most 'leaders' we ALL give them too much credit for things (good or bad) that happen.
I liked the theory that Arthur was just one of many people that contracted the Joker virus, like the Arkham Knight game. But this idea that its all in his head and he in an asylum is a favorite as well. Buffy, Smallville and Supernatural all had great episodes like that. (Also Community...)
I read the joke totally different but similar in a sense.
In my Mind I saw
The “ You would get it” scene in the future maybe 15-20 years in the future. Arthur has been in Arkham since the events that happened in Joker and years had passed since he had thought about that night and had left it in his past. He doesn’t know that Batman is Bruce or that Gotham is a villain hotspot. He’s just another insane dude in Arkham.
But then we see a deranged pale man enter Arkham.
This is the Joker we all know.
He spots Arthur and tells him EVERYTHING. How Arthur had inspired him to become who is how Bruce’s parents were killed in the alleyway that night and how villains flooded the city after Arthur’s Revolt. Arthur is called in for a check up and the idea that he unintentionally got Bruce to dress up as a bat beating criminals as a vow to his parents cracks him up and re awakens the Joker in him and kills the psychiatrist.
BAM. FULL CIRCLE.
Well that's one of the more recent "powers" they have given the Joker lately. His ability to rally chaotic, dangerous lunatics to his whims. Creating a militant psychotic army.
I thought that since at the beginning of the movie Arthur felt more safe in the Asylum and later the psychiatrist lost funds to stay open "they don't care about people like you", It took the death of Bruce's parents, people of wealth that look down on the poor, and everything else that he did to put him back in where he wanted. He had to succumb to the craziness he was a victim to for him to be cared for.