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- Опубликовано: 11 сен 2024
- Thanks to the new Doctor Who X Magic: The Gathering Commander set, we're getting our second ever two-word creature type: Time Lord. Not only that we're getting Doctors. But how does that work with all of the other wanna-be doctor cards and their companions?
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Everybody forgot about Mistform Ultimus 😢 The OG changeling (despite it doesn't have changeling)
You're right! 🤦♂ When I was going through Scryfall, I only thought to look up the 'Changeling' keyword. I knew this card existed, just completely forgot about it 😂
This is honestly a nifty way to introduce the flexibility of Partner with a focus that hopefully lets them balance it within a more limited set of cards. I like both the ability and the limitation.
I mean technically theyve done similar things before already with Stranger Things (Friends Forever) and Baldurs Gate (Backgrounds)
@@MidgarMercexactly. And this is the way to go for partner
I know this is hubris, since he designs the game and I don't, but I don't agree with Gavin's explanation of "the Doctor" meaning a creature with the exact types "Time Lord Doctor" - seems pretty clear to me that from a strict rules perspective, the explanation should be like the Comprehensive Rules entry on City in a Bottle: "the Doctor" refers to a specific list of cards.
It's pretty obviously an oversight that they're trying to save face with.
@@Interrobang212
It's very obviously not. Reminder text is not rules text. "The Doctor" has no rules meaning because it's just a little informal reminder telling people that Doctor's companion only works with one of the doctors, and the comprehensive rules clarify how the Doctor's companion mechanic works in full.
@@TheAverageGuyTAGI think anyone reading those cards the first time got this right.
Only when they start to find a way to break those cards they try to find an error in the wording and pretend it's missleading.
Gallifrey Stands has been performing pretty bad in my changeling tribal deck (and I’ve now taken it out), the winning effect seems like a borderline “achievement”, like killing someone with Sign in Blood, or Mindslaver’ing someone and exiling their commander. Basically a magnitudes worse Liliana’s Contract
Oh yeah, by no means is it a competitive win con, but it is certainly a fun one that I can see plenty of Whovians attempting.
id say the recursion is better then the win con for changelings @@attackoncardboard
@@attackoncardboardI'm planning on building it. I think the best way is to already have 13 doc/changelings then flash it in during the opponents end step. It is a massive build around that is probably not worth the effort but... I want to
@@matthewpopow6647 but fun wincons are fun 😂 I'd say go for it, don't let your memes be dreams!
@@attackoncardboard first though, I wanna build "Me". the ability to keep counters is awesome.
You make GREAT rules videos! Thank you for the hard work you're putting in, much love my man!
"Just play all 13 doctors" Lolz, but than my smile melted...*Shakes fist at Maskwood Nexus*
I still love the fact that you can play Rukarumel, Biologist and potentially win with PHD Slivers 😂
People are such rules fuddy duddys. "The doctor" is how they refer to doctor who in the show. Its a flavor thing.
Exactly! If it was any more specific, we wouldn't be able to do non-canonical Doctor/Companion pairings
They need to make a very clear rules clarification or errata on the Doctor’s Companion ability if that’s how they intended it. Because as read, I would run one with a Changling commander.
as written, the companions say that they can partner with "the Doctor" not with "a Doctor" , that way of writing the ability makes clear that is intended to work only with the diferent Dr Who variants and not with changelings
@@gallinaesmoking As intended, yes. However, there are currently no "the Doctor" cards in MTG. Card title is even stretching it. There are "Time Lord Doctor" cards and this should be the errata to fix something which is currently a broken intention.
As written, it doesn't even work. For it to work it would have to read "you can have two commanders if one of them has Doctor Companion and the other is a Doctor"
@@androkguz 1, the way is written can be understood and is shorter than your option, meaning the text takes less space in the card, allowing the companions to have more abilities.
2. "The Doctor" not "a Doctor" ; )
@@gallinaesmoking I approve of the way it's worded. However, the way it's worded is *not* rules text, or reminder rules text. It's auxiliary text.
Gotta love how now reading the card doesnt even explain the card. I was confused about what "the Doctor" mean, figuring it would be a keyword, sorta how "partner with" specifically specified the other card. Apparently not, it means a creature with a very specific creature type, and the reminder text only gives you 1/3 of that creature type. At least they gave us something, though, unlike Initiative. I dont think that mechanic is explained on any card
If by "now" you mean "since the beginning of the game", then yes, now reading the card doesn't explain the card.
Other people have pointed it out, but reminder text is just kinda supposed to help summarize what it means. Since it's a themed set, reducing it from "a creature with only creature types Time Lord Doctor" to "The Doctor" is more to add flavor. Since "The Doctor" is kinda easy to understand even from an outside perspective as "Doctor Who Doctors" it's just kinda harmless fun. Someone who's trying to bend the rules is going to be the type of person to look up the comprehensive rules to see what it actually means, and the limitations.
But yeah. I agree, it's kinda dumb. All they simply had to do is have a reminder text on Doctor cards saying "This card is _The Doctor_ while deck building." and they wouldn't even have to limit it to specific card types.
@@ebbandfloatzel Look at the Doctors and tell me there is space for another line there.
The "Make a villainous choice" mechanic has the same problem. Unlike every other punisher effect or choice in game, a player making a villainous choice can choose options that are illegal or impossible (like discarding with no cards in hand or sacrificing a creature when you have an empty board), which isn't indicated anywhere on the card and works totally differently to every other choice effect they've made since 1994
@@chuckwagon3718 I think how the Villainous Choice mechanic works is fine, because some of them still allow for interesting politicking at the table even when one option presents no downsides to the voter (like discarding a card and taking dmg equal to the number of artifacts the villain's controller has when you have no hand and they have no artifacts). For example, choosing to let the Choice giver draw a card instead of picking the option that'll effectively just fizzle-out in order to form a temporary truce or protection for your next play.
Re: your description, is the other two-word creature type Assembly-Worker? or is there another with a space in it that I don't know about? I'm moderately annoyed they're making Time Lord one creature type with a space...
Yup that's the one!
Gonna make a sliver deck with rukarumel as the commander to turn all my slivers into doctors then put in this and a bunch of other doctor related cards
They could do it like with a regular “partner”, where the second commander can only be if there is a partnership line
Ah, so for the doctors companion text they need to be paired with a card with "The ____ Doctor" in the name I assume
Effectively. The proper ruling is "The creature needs to be EXACTLY a Time Lord Doctor"
Ngl this would be so much easier if doctor were just a supertype instead of a creature type.
Or gave all of them an ability to match with companions
Story fail. The War Doctor along with 1-12 are the 13 doctors that Gallifry Stands was referencing. The Fugitive and 13th were way after that story arc.
Love that Amy Pond partners with Rory
Man i had a moment there where i thought orvar's getting a companion 😅
I was hoping to run 2 Color Orvar 😂
Gallifrey Falls is for the players that liked to win with Biovisionary ;p
If you can turn someone's Time Lord Doctor into some other creature type, (say, with Angelic Destiny), does Companion stop working? If so, what happens?
Doctor's Companion is something that's checked at the very start of the game. Once that's check and approved, nothing can change that and the effect essentially does nothing after that.
Companion doesn't stop working. For the same reason that turning someone's commander into a non-creature permanent doesn't stop it from being a commander.
The text on Doctor's Companion requires you to know that "The Doctor" refers to specifically the timelord doctors and is in no way intuitive. If it's supposed to only work with Time Lord Doctors and no other creature types, they needed to convey it in a different way.
I mean, if you're playing the Doctor or a Doctor's Companion as a Commander, you're probably going to be aware of this rule.
This could have been fixed with a partner with mechanic honestly. Partner with... or something similar ro the " friends forever" of strangers things. Is not like the first doctor partners up with the 2016 companion character 😅
Multiple problems with this:
1. They do in fact want you to be able to use cross-seasonal pairings with doctors and companions.
2. 'Partner with' would only allow every doctor to be used with one companion. There are 15 doctors and 26 companions.
3. A 'friends forever' style mechanic would allow pairings of two different companions or two different doctors, notably allowing 4 color combinations that could be significantly stronger than intended.
4. Requiring a keyword on the Doctor cards would further aggravate their already bloated text boxes. They clearly put the keywords on the companions because they were already going to get simpler effects anyway.
They went with the best solution tbh.
@@Felixr2 Yeah, "Partner With" would make it more difficult to do non-canon Doctor/Companion pairings because, as you said, there's 15 Doctors and nearly twice as many Companions, and the point is to have Companions pair with any of the Doctors.
So the cards need a errata already. Cause as stated on the cards right now, changelings absolutely can have a partner.
as written, the companions say that they can partner with "the Doctor" not with "a Doctor" , that way of writing the ability makes clear that is intended to work only with the diferent Dr Who variants and not with changelings
207.2 The text box may also contain italicized text that has no game function.
207.2a Reminder text is italicized text within parentheses that summarizes a rule that applies to that card. It usually appears on the same line as the ability it’s relevant to, but it may appear on its own line if it applies to an aspect of the card other than an ability.
@@gallinaesmoking While the intended flavour is clear, the problem is that "The Doctor" doesn't have a defined meaning in the comprehensive rules. The complaint is less that changelings necessarily should be allowed, but rather that the ability was written so mechanically sloppily that only word of god allows it to function.
@@mistriousfrog The same is true for "the Legends Rule", that has to be mentioned in quotation marks in every single card that plays with it (like Sakashima or the Master multiplied) because is not officially listed in the rules.
And I've never seen anybody complaining about "the Legends rule" even if is not stated and explained in written rules, we all know what it means and we understand how it works.
the same can be true for "the Doctor" we all know what cards are "the Doctor" so we understand how it works.
@@mistriousfrog "The Doctor" is also not present in any of the abilities of any of the cards. "Doctor's Companion" is present and is defined in 702.124m
702.124m “Doctor’s companion” means “You may designate two legendary creature cards as your commander rather than one if one of them is this card and the other is a legendary Time Lord Doctor creature card that has no other creature types.”
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but what about Amy Pond can you have 3 commanders with her?
Right now, the maximum amount of commanders you can have is 2.
So you either 'Doctor's Companion' or 'Partner with'
Both Partner With and Doctor's Companion specifically state "You may have two commanders, as long as the other is *insert requirement here."* So they don't allow for you to have three, because they specifically say you can have two.
Her and the dr in the command zone, then tutor Rory using her "partner with" ability
i wonder if this could have been made a bit more clear by having the doctor be a keyword in the rules text of every doctor card rather than making it a creature type it doesn't really make sense either since the doctor is his name, not his "type"
Look at the Doctor cards. Do you really think there's place for more keywords there?
@@sy-py good point, although I don't think it would necessarily be impossible to include one line that just says [CARDNAME] is The Doctor
@@Lismakingmovie Why add extraneous rules text for no real benefit?
@@sy-py because it makes more sense with the rules and with flavor. The doctor is his name, not his species or classification.
@@Lismakingmovie again, it aint broken so no need to "fix it"
Is “Time Lord” a creature type, or does the doctor have three creature types - “Time,” “Lord,” and “doctor”?
"Time Lord" is our second ever, two word creature type. The first being "Assembly Worker"
ahhh sad, it wouldbe been super janky if a doctor's partner couldve been paired with a Wings of Velis Veil
This is why the universes beyond stuff is, in my opinion, not healthy for the game.
How so?
@@attackoncardboard That they have to specify these types of rules. Because technically if a changeling is all creature types then its also a “Time Lord”.
That's correct. Morophon is a Time Lord, but it's also everything else.
The Doctor's Companion rule literally says "THE Doctor". And THE Doctor is exactly a Time Lord Doctor and nothing more.
@@attackoncardboard I'll be waiting to see what they write into the comprehensive rules, since I know that can differ from reminder text.
That's the ruling from the Principal Designer at WotC :)
That ruling makes zero sense given none of the Doctor Who cards has just the doctor creature type, they have two creature types, "Time Lord" and "Doctor" so they're not the doctor, just like how a changling is not the doctor. The cards are unclear and either needs an errtra or the cards should do as they say on the card and have it so any changeling commander gets the benefit.
I mean basically it's an errata. Like when they gave companions not the doctor's companion, the other companion for my ikoria extra line of text that required three mana to be paid. It's just an erotica that adds a timelord doctor to the doctor's companion reminder text. Obviously they didn't want it to work with morphon.
@@Grimjr7kinki
"they have two creature types, "Time Lord" and "Doctor" so they're not the doctor," (quote)
That's exactly the difference betwen being "the doctor" vs "a doctor" - having that one specific but no more other creature type(s).
Don't get me wrong, it IS quite technical and a bit unintuitive - but it's not unclear at all. Except when you mean unclear as in "readng the card doesn't explain this", in that case I can just say: Welcome to Magic in 2023 - that concept (sadly) died years ago.
@@DaijDjan In fact that concept died some time before Alpha
LOVE that they already have to errata a mechanic that isn't even out yet. Great design, Wizards! FFS.
They don't have to errt anything?
This is not intuitive. Reading the card does not explain the card. How is a normie supposed to know this?
"THE" Doctor is different from a doctor? Where on the cards does it say that?
Normie wouldn't think to pair a Changeling with a Companion and would just play the Companions with a Doctor like a normal person 😂
Also, when the news said "The Queen has died.", did you go which one?
"Reading the card does not explain the card." Let#s be real here, that concept (sadly) died years ago.
@@slx I currently live in Australia and have previously lived in the UK and New Zealand. The news all referred to the Queen of England as "The Queen", the same is said for the States as well and I imagine most of Europe.
@@DaijDjan I recently made a video about that 😂
To my knowledge this isn’t true? There’s a difference between “a doctor” and “the doctor.” A card becoming a doctor is not gaining the title “the”
What isn't true?
That's literally my final point in the video, Doctor's Companion only works with THE Doctor, not a doctor.
Well, if you intend to allow only "Time Lord Doctors" to be valid for doctors companion, then write it on the god damn card. Poor game design in my opinion, unlike almost every other keyword.
But it says "The Doctor" not 'a doctor'...
@@attackoncardboard I agree, though there is no specification what "The Doctor" refers to.
A card named "The Doctor"?
A creature including the type doctor?
A creature being only a doctor?
A creature being exactly a timelord doctor homunculus zombie elf warrior?
I guess you get the point.
So does 'Protection from Everything' grant me or the game object Protection from Everything? Of the 6 cards it's printed on, it just says "Protection from Everything".
Not having rules printed on the card doesn't equal bad game design.
The doctors companion is dumb, they could have used "parner with" but they just had to make another pointless rule for the game. Mtg is starting to feel like a game your friend made as a kid that they keep making up rules as they go
Partner with requires a card name. Doctor's Companion requires an exact combination of creature types seen on 15 cards.
@@sy-py Exactly. "Partner With" would mean restricting which Doctor(s) each companion could be paired with.
well MTG is just money factory nowadays... there is zero enthusiasm from the creators and its all about money now.. all the new sets with harry potter, LOTR, doctor who, warhammer, pokemon, fallout, barbie, Diablo and so on will be just for commercial purposes...there is no fun in those new series and the card design is awfull :( what a shame..
You and I must be seeing very different creators, I've seen nothing but love for this set from both Whovians and MTG fans.
I personally think the design on this set is one of the best by far. The flavour and card design is fanstatic.
No, there was a *lot* of thought and care put into these cards! As someone who watched classic Dr Who on PBS, the contents of the Blast From the Past deck made me very happy! I haven't been this excited by an MTG set in a long time!