Challenger 2 Engine Failure. Crashed my New Challenger 2 Clipped Wing
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- Опубликовано: 22 авг 2024
- I just Purchased this plane and this was my very first flight. I was flying about 90 miles to my Home airport and was about 10 miles short when the engine quit. I had no where to land. Luckily I walked away. I came in fast, hit hard. It has some damage. But is repairable.
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Believe me I've had at least 6 engine failures over the years and you learn quickly to always have enough altitude keep an eye out for a good landing spot and most of all fly the plane all the way down. I don't think you did any one of them. That could've easily ended with a nice landing engine or no engine you still have to flare. Good to see you walk away though and believe me you just became a much better pilot. Experience is a tough teacher you get the test first and the lesson after.
I have to ask why have you had six engine failures?! That seems a bit... Excessive...
@@benjaminrapp7418 in the ultralight world, it is common to trade light weight and power density for rubustness.
The previous comment on how low this person was flying is absolutely right and it was my first thought also, and very fortunate for him he had the engine out over the farm land as opposed to what he was flying over earlier. He very easily would have been killed in the metro area. He had plenty of options where the failure occurred had he had the altitude in the first place .This comment is not to belittle him but to allow him and others who read this to understand how fast a plane will go down and how much more time one has to make a much better landing when he has altitude on his side.The best way to understand the difference is to practice at an airport where traffic is light and you may be able to deviate a bit from TPA traffic pattern altitude.
10:55 engine failure Wouldn't be safer to fly higher up looked like about 500 feet get up to 2000 feet high get at least a mile.
Glad you made it through that in one piece. Really good of you to upload your footage. It is generous and valuable for people to see other peoples experiences and learn from them. All the best.
That road to the left when the engine quit sure looked like a nice place to land especially in a clipped wing.
I've watched your video over a dozen times. Great for pucker factor. I'm sure in hind sight you would have chosen a better, closer spot. You lived on of my worst nightmares, the almost made it stretched glide. Thank you for sharing and I'm glad you walked away. You're much more experienced now!!
As soon as I realized that the altitude you were flying at over all of that clutter was your cruising altitude, I got nervous.....You were lucky that the engine didn't die earlier than it did.
I had a lot of hours in a Quicksilver MXL, but I hadn't flown for 15 years. When I got in this plane I was scared as hell. It was fast, I was doing a 90 mile an hour cruise, climbing it was still doing 80. Before the engine quit I was getting comfortable, and had relaxed.There was no warning, I knew enuf to immediately put the stick forward, I shuda landed on the freeway. I sold the plane as is for 6 Grand and was glad to get it. Crazy thing is, the engine was running fine after the crash, I suspect some bad fuel, I had some left over and put it in my lawnmower, it started running rough and it had always ran great,.Now I'm looking for a more docile plane, like my old MXL, it cruised at 50 and landed at 35. I estimated I was doing 60 miles an hour when I went in that grape vineyard. Somebody called the cops, the CHP helicopter was over head and fire trucks, the FAA was breathing down my neck but I wudnt let them inspect the plane cuz I got it out of there that day. I was on TV and in the newspaper. Just a little bit traumatized by the ordeal, Happy to be alive and unhurt.
Is that the XS-50 with the 503 or the XS-65 with the 582? Do you think it could have been water?
+Randy Phillips You did an outstanding job of landing the plane. I know what you mean, though, about the docility of the Quicksilver MX Sprint and Sports. Also, no FAA B.S. to deal with with Part 103
no way it meets part 103
Thomas Rivers Why not? Many Quicksilver MXs and Sprints/Sports meet Part 103.
55 knots cruise speed for starters.
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I was way too low, on the 45 minute flight I was sometimes flying over some really congested areas, a few times I found myself at 400' and wud quickly pull back on the stick to get up to 600'. I shud of been at 1500' minimum. I just purchased a gorgeous Kolb, get back up.
this is what i was thinking from the very start of the video. i just hoped the engine would not quit over the built up area.
why did not you opt for the large road below you when the engine quit? there did not seem to be many cars on it.
thanks for posting. hope you will repair the aircraft
Lessons learned thanks for posting the video maybe little more information in the subject so people can learn from the video about flying higher up so they have more options. You walked away that's good.
Nice landing, that thing fell out the sky like a lead brick.
I know the feeling, crashed my new Belite Ultracub in March 16 when the engine quit. I had the same reaction after things came to a stop! LOL - glad to see you made it out in good shape. Any landing you can walk away from ....
Glad to hear you were able to walk away. If you don't mind my asking, what was the cause of the crash? (No good landing area, didn't flare, whatever?) I'm curious because I'm interested in a similar plane (tailwheel config).
Gnarly! Happy to see you were ok!😎💯💣
By the sound of it it was HIRTH motor. Also there was a wide dirt road to the right of the crash, between rows of trees , easily wide enough to land. Also there was an interstate median to the left. Not the best choice for a dead sticking it BUT on engine out and in unfamiliar airplane adrenaline was pumping and I am glad pilot walked away. The plane didn't look all that bad either.
ALTITUDE ALTITUDE ALTITUDE....glad you were ok...
the entire time I was thinking "too low for much reaction in engine out" and i'd try at least flying over less dense roads on your course..(just in case)
20/20 hind site: He walked away w/o injury and plane did not do badly at all. 1. Too low I think. 2. was glide set up first? I couldn't tell about that. 3. A few better spots were at hand it seems from what I can tell. 4 Didn't hold direction down the rows.
From the pictures, you can't be too sure of what the real perspective was, but expensive (but not too bad) schooling.
Yup……2 stroke and a clipped wing flying low…….painful lessons……glad your ok
what kind of engine do you have? sounds like it's running pretty high rpms. it sounded like a overheating safety cut off, didn't hear any noise like something breaking...
All I can say is God was looking out for you ! You are one luck man to walk away that was a hard landing and you don't have the much around you to protect you with the Aircraft.
With the rows, with the rows...but yes the highway on the left was powerline free. So I want one of these but man are there a bunch of engine failure videos out there.
Exactly. In the row line not against it.
I'm glad your ok but why was you flying so low? You were lucky the engine didn't fail over the urban areas! I was uneasy flying at 900 ft.
Well, at least you walked away! That clipped wing has the glide ratio of a fence post, don't see them up here in the Rockies for obvious reasons.
wow, just read your April 3 response. lots of great info !thanks for sharing
I would have landed in the rows of whatever crops those were and not gone against the grain. Hind sight is 20/20.
If you were in the longer winged version of that plane and Flying at 3,000 feet, you would have had forever to find a landing spot.
You walked away from that crash so I would say you did well enough to survive.
Q - why are you flying so low? surely more height would equate to greater landing options...?
Within a split second. pilots brain new danger was left (fast moving cars) and farmland right, so instinctively turned to farmland. If pilot had more hours in the airplane (first trip) to experience its glide ratio he might have a few realised more options. Under the circumstances he did well to walk away from it.
Was was the engine issue? Sucks that it was your first flight, but I'm very interested to know the cause of the engine out. Thanks
Good job getting it down with no bodily harm! Have you found what caused the engine failure?
You walked away from that...congratulations. Don't let the naysayers trouble you. Ultralights' were meant for low and slow, but you sure came down fast.
SUM B****!!! Damn thing has good short field landing capabilities huh??!! (Smiling). Kidding...... A crash landing you can walk away from is always a good one. Glad you alright.... Now, let's fix the S-14 (lol). The challenger is not coming out to play for a while.....
looks like you were almost crop dusting?? why so low? no time you had about 15 to 20 sec to put it down. no time to check and you made right turn.
Less damage would've resulted, had you stuck to paralleling the crop rows, and not attempted to land on the narrow paved access way. Very sorry that happened on your first flight, but glad you weren't injured.
I have a Private.... I was thinking of doing some of the lighter stuff but it seems like you guys have a lot of engine problems....??? Maybe you all should get some glider time....
Thanks for sharing. I have a Challenger long wing with about 100hrs and always try and fly like the engine is going quit. But that is not always a reality. Good job on clearing the power lines and flying the plane until you hit. Glad to see your OK. How many hours on the engine?
+Dave Stirbis It was a new engine, I suspect fuel contamination.
At that altitude any aero engine should be rock solid. Yet we see so many small engine failures on these types. Why? After all car engines nowadays very rarely fail even with the minimum maintenance and this aircraft was hardly challenged by altitude, outside air pressure, weather etc. Was it a fuel problem? Magnetos? Carburation? Mixture? You would have thought by now Rotax-type engines would run with virtually zero risk provided they are looked after.
He said he suspected the fuel because he later tried it in his lawnmower and it ran like crap. I think Rotax gets a bad rap because they are budget friendly and that mindset leads to skimping on maintenance and other essentials.
My God, get some altitude when you're doing a maiden cross country. Glad you survived, lessons for other pilots always be ready for possible engine failure. This challenger could have been put down without a scratch if better flight planning had been used.
If I read it right no flying for 15 years but before that it was ultralights. A challenger 2 clipped wing is a lsa plane and floats like a brick. Pure violation of all kinds of rules the faa has for a reason. My dad had one of these and it was fun to fly but it had zero glide ratio. I flew it often and always had to keep power on landings. A smart man would've gone up with the owner and gotten some seat time before purchase to see how it performs. The video gives aviation and pilots a bad name for someone's stupid decision.
What is this dude doing flying over a congested or populated area with a rotax 503. I had a Challenger for 8 years and put 300 hours on it with no problem but would never fly that low in a congested area. Just looking for trouble. I wouldn't fly that low in a 172 over a congested area
Roger Lund Hirth not Rotax....but way too low anyway!
Carb-icing most likely , You did a good job staying cool and getting it down, You can always fix the plane.
+vince denimarck I thought it had a decent glide for a short wing. I was 600 ft I believe. I shuda been higher. I estimate I was doing 60 miles an hour when I hit. I had 25 seconds from when the engine quit till impact. I was a warm morning, maybe 70 degrees.
🤦🏼♂️ Where do I begin? That should not have resulted in a damaged plane!! What a shame.
Definitely good lesson on flying higher over congested areas. Even if you've got a highway there you don't want to have a head-to-head with the car or snag a wing on a powerline trying for a highway unless you know there is clearance. Somebody said carburetor ice, I've only ever had a little dose of it maybe a couple times With my O 200 Continental so I can't speak to a two stroke but I would think it would come on slower. Sounds more like something temporarily cut the fuel perhaps even a dab of water . Icing usually comes on more like someone is slowly retarding the throttle giving you plenty of time to figure out what's going on if you're looking and it also only seems to happen unless extreme cases when you're running it very low rpm's which you werent doing. I had one of those things I'd make sure it had a fuel strainer on it like assess that with that nice deep bowl for any water to drop into one go down and settle so it can't make it into the carburetor.
I had carb icing on my 582, come quite quickly and that was NOT at low rpm as the books suggest. I had cruise control on @ about 5000rpm and then increased to 5500 when my engine cut from carb icing.
I take it the crops had structure in them...grape arbors?
Good u got out ok. So many options to the left . Panic got the better of you!
Your engine seized because it ran too hot my guess sounded like 6000 rpm or more is that right?
the challenger 2 is an ultralight which begs the question, why are you flying over a residential area??
What engine? Hirth or Rotax?
If he had tried to land on that highway and hit a power line either next to it or one that is crossing his path he could have been killed not to mention the automobiles. If you haven't flown in 15yrs always retake 8 to 20 hours with an instructor pilot just to refresh your skills. I used to fly MX Sprints years ago and was very comfortable flying them but if I ever do it again I will get some refresher seat time. One thing my instructor always said to me "always being looking for a place to land". Glad you are O.K.
Thanks for sharing I hope this is avoidable I’m getting ready to buy one
I've never flown behind (or in front of) a two stroke engine. They make me nervous. Almost everyone I know who has, has had an engine failure. They make me a bit nervous.
This situation is certainly an object lesson. First of all, like another commenter said, you were actually in violation by flying so low. Secondly, had he been at altitude, say, 2,900' AGL, he would have had a LOT of time to decide when to land it. (below 3,000' AGL you are NOT required to fly "VFR Altitudes - even and odd, +500')
In addition, and really important: There was NO N number to be seen. No N number, means NO registration. This is NOT a FAA Part 103 airplane (an Ultralight vehicle) this is a Light Sport airplane. There's no way that plane would weigh 254lbs empty (or 278lbs if he had a ballistic chute instralled.
He just bought it. I've been trying to buy a CGS Hawk but having trouble. Most all of those for sale have no registration (N nr.) or Special Airworthiness Certificate. My Flight Standards Office, in Richmond, Va. told me 3 months ago that if you find a plane for sale, ask the seller if it has the proper documentation. No documentation, the plane is good for PARTS only, or, as the FSDO said: "Can be used as a paperweight." That plane could NEVER have been legally flown in the USA - EVER!
Hard lesson here, all the way around.
all in all I didn't see much damage such as a ripped off wing. lol. now I am a gyro pilot and anything over 500' is considered high altitude and requires oxygen. lol. I'm serious. also I was told by a wide pilot and this may be tmi but he said if you don't want it shovedup your ass don't fly over it. I always tried to field hop so I always had a place to sit it down in.
You should of keeped straight to those hedgrows . Flew it into the ground. Not trying to be over critical cause things happen fast
Ive had a few engine outs . Go to best glide , keep calm , think find your best lz , get a good flair. Maintain a good altitude over poor lz terrain always
Far too low! You fully deserved that outcome and were fortunate not to be severely injured. I just hope you gave up flying at that point because you clearly do not have the required mental attitude for that activity.
I was surprised I glided for a 1/4 mile from 600' why didn't I choose the Hi way below an to the left? that's a question I struggle with. it had a 40' easement between the lanes, has some knee high weeds I cud od pulled off a no damage landing.
Never land on a road. Always best to keep the public safe, that's your duty as a pilot. You accept the risk of flying the people on the ground have not accepted that. As you said you should have been at a much higher altitude and now you know why. Live and learn, glad to hear you'll be up in the air again. Cheers!
Okay no reason to be rude about it. I may only be a young commercially rated pilot but I am not clueless. I study at Embry-Riddle and all of my professors have told me to protect the general public. Landing on a road can put those people in danger. I should not have said the word 'never' but going for a road should never be plan A, merely a plan C. Many people think that you have to land on long/wide/paved surfaces but all aircraft are very capable of landing on a nice field safely. If the pilot took their training seriously and executes the correct landing technique and their approach/field choice are solid then there should be no problem putting it down safely.
Once you commit to a landing spot with an engine out at that low of an altitude...STICK TO IT. Questioning your decision and changing last minute is what causes people to spin planes in. You walked away uninjured with no,harm to people on the ground which is all that counts.
Been there... it sucks.
Am I assuming it was a POS Rotax??? Glad you walked.
It sure looked like you were well below the legal minimum of 1000' agl over the congested area.
That's the general limit. Over a congested area you have to be high enough to land clear, so flying illegally during the whole of the first part of video. That's for Europe but I'm pretty sure that North America is the same. He was lucky the engine didn't quit then. Never fly over the heart of a city or town in a light single engine aircraft especially an ultralight with an engine that's not certified. Dog-legging to one side or the other on a long flight only adds a mile or so to the total distance covered - check it out on a chart. Also remember the words of Bob Hoover. 'Fly the aircraft as far into the crash as you can'. He went in hard and fast when he could have held off for longer and stalled into the tops of the bushes thus ensuring minimal damage to both himself and the aircraft as they were so low. Otherwise, well done and glad both he and the Challenger came out of it relatively unscathed.
Would of had way more options if he wasn't so low.... Almost got a Darwin
wow man you are pilot also
Glad you made it down ok.
You were flying way to low, certainly below 1000' AGL above congested areas.. Pretty big violation there.
Rules are put into place for a reason, and you failed to obey them; Therefor you suffered the emergency landing and totaled the aircraft.
I thought it was 500 AGL is the minimum.
Instead of busting his balls about what he did wrong how about saying something like good landing he is lucky to be alive ? I don't know why people always have to say something negative and bust somebodies balls about what they did wrong . He is one lucky man!
JoshuaPlays that is for unpopulated areas
I have to agree , flying way to low limits your options in an emergency
Out of gas?
Not a matter if will the rotax engine quit running but a matter is when will it quit running because it will quit and it gets real quiet fast when that 2 cycle engine stops turning. Two of my friends killed because of ultralight rotax engine failure. Sell it.
What were the cause of engine failure?
not that I could do better but we're you coming in couldn't you have flared to lose speed? seems you hit hard? not criticizing but was looking at these ultralights for myself, also what was the outcome of repair? thanks
+Tony larose Just b4 the crash I cant remember if I pulled back on the stick. I may have been just above stall speed, about 46-50 MPH on a warm morning.
Thanks for the response! Did you get her flying again? What did it take? Thanks Randy!
@@tonylarose5138 I sold the plane shortly after as is, for $6,000 The parts wud have cost $1200 and another few hundred for the nose cone. Then I purchased a Kolb Firestar 2 but was too afraid to fly it.
@@Randoskie, we could all benefit from a more detailed post-incident review. Which engine were you using (make and size) How many hours on the engine including break-in? What fuel/oil mixture were you using. Was the engine run after the incident and how did it run? If it didn't run was it disassembled to identify the problem? How much fuel was onboard at the time of take-off? How much fuel was remaining after the incident? Did you inspect the fuel filter/fuel tank(s) for contamination? Was the fuel pump examined? I see that you had a Grand Rapids EIS onboard. What were your engine temps, CHT and EGT?
I've been flying behind a Rotax 447 for 18 years now and my only engine out was due to too steep of a climb-out causing the fuel flow to diminish below critical, the carb float does not like steep angles. I had enough altitude that I simply executed a 180 and landed on the runway, re-started and continued flying. I also have clear fuel lines that allow me to observe fuel flow to detect bubbles in the line. That's probably not an option of a Challenger with the engine behind you.
As countless others have stated, you were simply too low on a maiden flight, let alone on a cross-country maiden flight, but you already know that. In hind-sight you should have had the previous owner deliver the aircraft to your home field and then written the check after a safe delivery.
Don't let fear keep you from flying. Two strokes can be and are good motors, they just need a special understanding of how they operate and carefully operation once you understand what keeps them ticking.
seems like u running her mighty hard and low altitude is in your favor
Does anybody flair in ultralights? I always see people fly them right into the ground. I don’t get it.
The light sport airplane's (not an "ultralight" but the reasoning applies to both) do not have much mass; plus they are very "draggy". Mostly, they slow down extremely quickly in any type of "flare" and you hit stall speed so fast it will make your head spin (if not your airplane).
@@boatnerhowell9760 Hmmmm, then why not come down with more airspeed so that you can bleed off the energy and land more smoothly then keeping the same glide path straight into terra forma?
If you want to know, get some LSA time and find out yourself.
@@boatnerhowell9760 My focus is on my CPL right now, followed up by CFI, CFII, MEI, and ATP. At some point I would certainly like to experience flying smaller aircraft. It’s all part of aviation. It all is interesting to me.
Altitude is your friend... Rotax is not.
Rotax engines are very reliable when properly cared for. Unfortunately, a lot of part 103 or budget LSA have Rotax engines and they are often obtained by inexperienced pilots with little (or no *shudders*) experience because they are easy on the wallet. This budget mindset can lead to cutting corners in maintenance, not following factory recommendations and any other number of other incorrect practices.
Altitude is Safety. You are flying an airplane that maybe prone to engine failure. I have many hundreds of hrs in a cws/503.
On this flite you were travelling over cities way too low. You cannot glide to safety if you have no time to figure out where to go , wind direction orchad trees and plant direction
Roads powerlines . that cws glides like a piper colt when prop stops anyone that is flying that plane should be of instructor talent and in your crash there were several farm roads off to 10 O'clock ,,,so why choose a dead end..??... Practice engine failures all of the time.... and that is from take off roll to taxi to parking..Practice gliding at all landings. not driving it in.
Flying too low, not time or overlook a better place to land. Landing crossways into a bean field is very treacherous should land if had to the line direction of the bean field. Altitude altitude is your best chance at all times.
Kind of sad watching the guy die in the end but that's what you get for letting your dog try and land the thing... 😐
The engine cuts our at 12:20. The rest is useless flight video of flat and level way too low (looks like 500 AGL). He also turned the wrong way and landed in a vineyard. 500 more feet or better 1000 more feet of altitude and this dumbass would have had lots of safe options. Follow the rules. He's lucky to be alive.
So.....WHY DID THE ENGINE F A I L ?.
Don't know why engine quit, after getting wrecked plane back to hanger, engine started right up an it ran strong, and started it several timed b4 I sold wrecked plane for 6 grand
@@Randoskie any suspicions? Fuel starvation from a clogged gas tank vent?
@@steveststst2968 maybe got hot cuz I was running it high rpm tokens altitude cuz it was a warm morning an slow climb an this clipped wing plane was heavy
Holy shit dude
You can definitely tell ypu had adequate training for engine out. You reacted immediately and turned with the rows in the field. It could've been a lot worse going against the rows. May have dove the nose into the ground
Engine failure at 10:50
Holy sheep shit!
Very bad, to low, bad landing,
If you fly an aircraft like you operate a camera I'm not surprised you crashed !!
what kind of engine do you have? sounds like it's running pretty high rpms. it sounded like a overheating safety cut off, didn't hear any noise like something breaking...