Challenger 2 Engine Failure Crashed my New Plane
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- Опубликовано: 8 ноя 2021
- This was summer of 2015, First flight, 100 miles cross country and the frikin engine quits. I put stick forward and got a glide going and crashed into a grape vineyard and an 8" peeler core post. No injury cept a sore back for a few days and a tiny scratch. Paid 10 Grand and sold wreckage for 6k Going down I remember thinking, I don't want to be here right now. But I walked away.
The engine got tired of listening to that music and said "I quit"
quite!
1st - a CH2 CW weighing 400 lbs empty is LIGHT, most come in at 480-500 lbs
2nd - a 503 dcdi is MORE than enough power for this plane, it is not under powered as you say
3rd - starting the engine and adding power/moving the plane ignoring the 4 minute warm up, well.
4th - flying way to low
Low is because he doesn't hold any pilots Cert so he is trying to avoid talking to ATC.
@@Mike-01234 do you know like anything at all about airspace?
@@Mike-01234 He could legally fly that thing to its altitude limits in that class E airspace and not have to talk to anyone, Flying low like that in class G airspace is far more likely to get him noticed by the authorities.
@@storminnorman84 that's a 2 seat, not an ultralight. The only way you can build a challenger to 254 pounds is single seat with the 277.
@@scotthanson9302 Quad City Aircraft Corp should have consulted with you before they dared to call their aircraft an ultralight. 🤣
Looks like I picked the wrong day to quit sniffing glue.
Altitude, airspeed, and intelligence. You must have two of these three to survive. This pilot had airspeed...
Your telling me...What an idiot..Not flown for 15 years and he flys with very little altitude..the first thing I would do is gain decent altitude "just in case" I had an engine failure!.....It gives time to pick a spot to land as well as a little time to think.....at the least!...this guy should NOT fly again....and never torture us again with that music!...
Some quite poor airmanship was displayed here, some bad decision making.
I had a CH2CWS with a Rotax 503 and put several hundred hours on it. This engine seized because it ran lean & hot. Look at the EIS readings for EGT during the take-off. I saw 1213 and still climbing. The limit for the R503 is 1200ºF and no one that isn't high lets an engine run that hard and that hot. I'm thankful that the pilot is OK but the truth of what happened should be known so others in a similar situation don't make the same error.
2 strokes are not forgiving when improperly maintained, or not tuned correctly learned that lesson when I was 12 years old after seizing up my Honda 80cc dirt bike when I had a vacuum leak.
I have 800 hours in a Challenger II giving instruction back in the 90's. Zero problems with the 503. But I always flew as though the engine was about to fail. Sufficient altitude while cruising usually 3,000' and taught students to fly a tight pattern so that at any point in the pattern you could safely land on the airstrip. My biggest complaint watching others fly is seeing them fly patterns bigger than I did in a Cessna 206, then need power on final to make it to the runway.
I flew the same way at the airport. My pattern was tight enough to always be able to fly it to the runway if the engine quit. It never did but why take a chance.
Wow!!! This flight was doomed from the very beginning. Never climbed out on takeoff...staying just above the numbers and buzzing power lines and a farm!!! Holy Sh!t. Neither a 15 year absence or an engine out was the cause of a disastrous ending. Lack of piloting skill was the one and only cause.
Glad to see you weren't hurt. Hope it all worked out ok. Thanks for posting
I have more than 400 hours in a Challenger 2 with a 503 and it is a very reliable and forgiving craft. The video sounds like you had it at wide open throttle the whole time. I don't need to repeat all the other comments about your obvious lack of piloting skills ( none ) or training as they have already been mentioned and the video is clear proof of that.
Do you know whats the best glide ratio speed for challenger 1
That’s exactly what I was thinking.
Damn!! Glad to see your ok Rando! Thanks for sharing
My concerns started when the seller didn't offer a checkride. Then no warmup. Then an very abnormal t/o. Should have been off in 200' and climbing at least 500'/min. If that situation was due to performance an immediate landing was indicated. I heard no reduction in RPM after takeoff. You landed at 60 mph! That's 25 above stall! Foolhardy ignorance is the kindest thing I can say. You dhould be charged with murdering that engine and airframe!
I never recommend crashing at 2 x Vs
Altitude buys you time and time buys you options
Thanx 4 sharing your experience
Fine vid. Just subbed. Sorry your plane broke. Glad you are OK!
Bit of a balls up! - on first flight on a new aircraft I always stay high above the airport for an hour or so incase there is a problem. On cross countries fly at least 2000ft AGL with landing sites in view, if terrain is rough I'll fly higher. From 2000 ft looked like here would be lots of places to land. Also I found Rotax 2 strokes very reliable all the issues I've seen have been with external items like fuel pump, cracked fuel tubing, cracked vacuum line, wrong oil/fuel mixture.
so many mistakes... you're lucky you walked away from this. I hope you've either taken flight training or given up flying for your own health and safety.
Wow - so many things wrong here. Glad I was smart enough to take lessons.
I’m glad you walk away from that my friend👏👏👏🙏🙏
Man, she was flying so good too. Sorry to see this but glad you came out of it ok.
Miles of smooth, flat pavement directly below. Chooses to land in the dirt.
That was what i was going to say....too low, is a miracle you didn't hit power lines. There is also restrictions on how low you can fly over build up areas and residences. Those farms were buzzed. Only 20 sec until you hit the deck means too low!!!! Go back to engine run up on take off, didn't see any. Route planning includes weather research and alternate airports. On a brand new truck on such a trip i would stop every 30 miles for the engine to cool and adjust. That engine was a full throttle since take off! If the temperature was high that day, the work output on the engine could been triple. Is a miracle almost made it but the next flight could been really bad because that engine was done. You a lucky you were not over a mall or mid city at that altitude the FAA would impound that plane and fine for violations to FAR regulations. Remember, height and speed save lives. The temptation is to go low thinking in case something happens i'll be like 500 feet up and no problem. Not really, Height gives you time to call emergency, troubleshoot and control the aircraft to land where you want it to land. Speed provides you the energy to do it. Is uncontrolled airspace i don't know what kept this flight so low.
I'm not a pilot but been Skydiving 40 yrs and I also thought you should have been at a higher alltitude. Gives you more time to find a safe place to land.
Exactly. First priority for a microlight flier is to always look for somewhere to safely land. This inexperienced guy sure did miss a few suitable options to set down. It's on show in his video.
From the moment you got airborne I was yelling at the screen for you to gain altitude, altitude is your friend, had you been at 4k or 5k you could have easily set her down safely without any damage, that crash was 100% avoidable, I give you an F for aviator skills, sorry mate!
Pretty much shows why 2-cycle engines get such a bad rap. They have to be very carefully maintained and operated. The failure modes often result in a complete loss of power. They need to be constantly looked at for the condition of the cylinder walls and the rings. A stuck compression ring can cause the piston to heat up and start galling on the cylinder wall whereas a tradition airplane engine will get increased blow-by, cylinder temperature and oil loss. My 582 quit on me due to lead build up from cross country flying. It quit on the *ground* thank God or 20 seconds later I would have been over the trees. I rebuilt that engine and flew it some more but not long and not on long cross counties where I would have to refuel with avgas. Before all the comments come in I *did* operate that engine carefully within limits with EGT guages and keep the recommended schedule for top end maintenance. I didn't use a lead scavenger and that was a mistake. The inside of the engine and the exhaust system looked like it had been power coated white. South Mississippi said is is a common failure. The guy on the phone there described it to me before I could finish telling him about it. So yeah, a 2-cycle sure can be reliable if operated correctly. But I won't fly behind one again.
That bird will climb if you pull back on the stick and after climbing through 1,000 ft then back off on the throttle. Then do a few touch and go’s. Cruising way too low and running the engine at full throttle. What else do you expect?
Forest Gump had a saying, how did it go now...
If there was a reason you kept to that low an altitude in that area, please let us know. With your lack of currency and an apparent unknown aircraft to you, what kept you from doing some shakedown and familiarity laps near the airport.
All in all, this seems to be what my instructor would call" 1/2 a mistake high and the dice came up snake-eyes".
I’m glad to see you, survive the crash landing. I’m curious as to why you flew so low the whole way? I hope you got your plane fixed!
I hope he didn't mf ganna off himself unless he learns how to piolit
What is with the cold revving. Let the engine warm up first! Those engines are almost bullet proof if operated properly. Taxi to the runways pick an rpm it is not a car, once warmed up (look at instruments) them bring rpm to take off for 60 seconds and listen for any weird noises. Once the pre take-off power test is done then go to runway for take off. That is piloting 101
Dang.....I'm glad you made it out ok friend!
I am happy that you can walk away with that emergency landing, hope she can be fixed well. But you are flying really too low. The three most useless things in aviation are runway behind you, altitude above you, and fuel not in your tanks.
First, I'm glad you're ok. Now, you were doing great straight in between the crops, why did you decide to turn right just as you were almost down and fly into the crop rows?
Why fly so low? Altitude would have given more options. Especially in a new plane I would be flying circles over the airport until I know that thing inside and out.
Properly heating up the engine and then not shock cooling is also something to keep in mind. 2 strokes are awesome engines if you fly them correctly.
And that music, uuuggghhh 😆
Glad you are OK, we can replace planes, we can’t replace people
Altitude would have given you so many options, I hate seeing planes torn up like that. Maybe in the future give yourself altitude. Again glad you are OK.
I've got about 350 hours in a quicksilver. I thought your altitude looked quite a bit low for that kind of flight. I went out a 2-hour cross country one time and flat elevations and I was at 5,000 ft. From the looks of it it doesn't appear that you ever got over a thousand. I'm glad you're okay. You paid the stupid tax that's for sure.
Don’t you have to run higher rpms when flying lower? I’m pretty sure he was most of the time on a wot.
Prendido el motor sin nadie a bordo!!! Wao! Es una eminencia en conocimiento aereo!!
Not too surprised at the outcome of this flight. So glad there was no fire on impact.
What you experienced is called a cold seizure. It's caused by the aluminum piston being squeezed by the steel cylinder till the engine stops turning. It's a common rotax problem. I had this happen to me almost identically. Strange thing is I would buy another one except I would ditch the R 582 and replace it with the R 912, a certified powerplant. That means the engine has passed the certification standards of all production engines, the R 582 is not.
Cold seizure it would have slowed and quit. It revved up. This is a spun bearing. Or a fuel starvation. But I’m going with bearing.
U making it out, was a good thing big dog. Ive
and said that i will become a pilot ☝🏾 day.
Also, learn to use the rudder people
Challenger will bite your used to flying feet flat on the floor.
You got a plane that is so cool
Rando im glad your ok/ we would have never got to meet rambo, and the little guy,and alien DNA would been lost.Awsome video!
I agree with most comments here. Way too many excuses. You can't become a better pilot with excuses. Pilot error is pilot error. Good luck in future
What did the NTSB have to say?
What were you doing flying over wired crops?
Its good that you didnt got hurt in the crash. Whats the reason why you flew so low, was it for problems with the engine? Because you would have more options for landing with engine trouble in a higher attitude. I hope your plane will be all right again. Good luck.😢
You were flying along a road. Why did you choose to land in grape arbor?
I hope you learned your lesson and decided to keep your feet on the ground. Flying isn’t your thing…. Terrible piloting and decision making skills….
In addition to all the other comments about how you put yourself in a position for disaster, you stayed illegally low the whole flight. because of this, you had less than 30 seconds from engine stop to crunch. These actions could kill you/others and certainly hurt the sport.
He was definitely lower than recommended but there’s nothing illegal about flying that low
@@yamkaw346it is in fact illegal, you are regulated to stay 500 feet from any person or home, read 91.119
@@388sbc5 Yeah it’s difficult to tell but I don’t think he was below 500 agl. I fly at 500 all day for work.
its a beautiful day david and linda la flame
Altitude is your friend. Poor choice of landing area.
I was thinking when he took off should he not be climbing more .. he was seconds from the ground his entire flight
Wow. I've only ever been a student pilot, but it's obvious all you ever did was invite that plane to dump you.
I will say….a little rusty. Gotta holler “CLEAR PROP” before cranking that sucker. And……altitude is life. Someone chime in about FARs regarding flight above populated areas. Thanks
Why flying so low without an alternate/emergency landing at 45 degrees at all times?
No transponder
never should have tried that last second right turn to the road, you were lined up fine with the rows
Altitude is your friend when flying a snowmobile.
A few decades ago, a young church pastor friend was toying with the idea of buying and ultralight and going flying with it. He had never taken any flight instruction in a certified or registered aircraft. I told him the first item on his aviation plan must be to hire a CFI and at least solo before strapping himself into an ultralight. He decided (maybe with God's and his wife's encouragement) to forego aviation.
There is absolutely no reason you should have been flying that low
Wow, just about all the things you shouldn't do as a pilot in one video. Why didn't you land inline with the rows of grapes or even better on the perfectly good road with no traffic?
Ok, 1st, the music was horrible! 2nd, did you go fly with the seller before you bought the plane? 3rd, Why are you flying so low? You leave no room for error incase something does go wrong. In the trucking universe, we do what's called " Leave yourself an out" In which I would be flying as high as possible so to find a safe place to land. Glad you good man. This is a plane I would love to have. well, not the one you crashed of course. What was the cause of the engine cutting out?
If you read down at the end he replies he has no pilots certificate the FAA wanted him to sign papers admitting he was flying without a pilots license the police never checked I'm guessing they did ask him because I know it's standard procedure for police to ask for a pilots license they report it to the FAA. That is the reason he is flying very low he doesn't want to talk to ATC.
@@Mike-01234 You can fly very high still without talking to atc, also atc has no idea who has a pilots certificate and who does not.
@@yamkaw346 Not where he was flying I live here I know where he was.
@@Mike-01234 Where might that be? He’s in a very rural area which would make this G or E airspace dependent on how high he is, neither of which require any radio contact with atc
2 Squrells makin love in a tree,
The male fell out
Holdin his ass n head
Looks up the tree "That shits for The Birds" 💯‼ Cheers Rando 👍💯‼
That was hard to watch. Flying too damn low over built up areas, (illegal) and turning away from two good landing areas to crash in a vineyard. What was he thinking? Did he suffer fuel exhaustion? Just so many things. Glad he survived, clearly he has a guardian angel.
That music would drive anybody into the ground
A good landing is one you can walk away from.
So why was your take off roll so long, it should have been up way before.
Belt or gear reduction drive.
Something doesn't sound right on take off.
Maybe slipping belts or wrong pitch on propeller, for that engine. 🤔
Did you ever figure out what me the engine quit?
How did you end up flying a Challenger 2 if you've only flown ultralights before? Do you have a Sport Pilot License or a Pilot's License?
Haha I got no sport pilots license, we don't hav to show u our badges.
I guess the cops were more interested in getting on TV than checking if you had a license!
@Tim Aidley the cops had no jurisdiction, but the FAA called wanting to inspect the wreckage an sent me papers to sign admitting guilt an to pay a fine an take a class. I wudnt cooperate and after awhile they stopped harassing me
@@Randoskie amazing
@@Randoskie judging on your spelling they probably realized you couldn't read their letters anyway. I find your story dubious, at best. The FAA is nothing else if not persistent.
I kept thinking during the whole flight..... Altitude means life
While flying high indeed provides more options: over sparsely populated areas, the risk isn't unwieldy. Low and slow is great fun and risk can be managed.
My advice to everyone that flies a CH II or Aerolite or any other similar type of aircraft with 2 stroke engines whether they hold a PPL or SPL or flying without a license under Ultralight Category will be 2 main rules. 1) Fly allowable highest possible altitude... BUT; for whatever reason if you are only going to fly few hundred feet AGL, then 2) Follow a route that offers you multiple safe landing spots in case of a mishap.
Since I live and fly in the same area I am very familiar with the landscape. It is thousands acres of agricultural flat landscape and offers tons of straight away paved side roads and between the fields hundreds of hard dirt farm roads.
Also, when you buy an airplane away from your home field, as an inexperienced pilot in that model/type aircraft DO NOT make your first flight to your home but rather fly a few hrs around the airport/field where you made the purchase. With the safety of that field below you try to put that aircraft to test if it passes the scrutiny of "your" flying ability. Especially for an Experimental, home built aircraft that is not passed an inspection by an A&P / IA performed pre-buy inspection.
On such aircraft there may be many issues even the seller may not be aware of... Thank God this incident ended safely. Please be careful and act sensibly because we are losing too many GA pilots unnecessarily in the last few years.
Fly safe all!!! and a Happy 2024 !!!
Apparently had no engine out experience. Why fly it straight into the ground??
I conversed with him before not sure if this is the same channel even my posts are gone. He said he had lot of experience with ultralights like 10 years prior. He did check the engine over carefully wasn't like he just jumped in and took off. This CH 2 was one of those that used to be an ultralight before they light sport was created. It was stored I'm assuming the just continued to fly it as an ultralight with one persons although you can clearly see two headsets. Maybe they flew illegally in rural areas of the state who would care right. The reason he was flying low was because he had no transponder didn't want to get into any trouble very lucky didn't happen over the city. I think if the FAA saw that he would have been in trouble. He said they kept sending letters he just ignored them and they quit sending them. Smart thing would be take the wing off rent a Uhaul flat bed car hauler drive it back to his airport.
Flying to low in a new airplane. Give yourself some room to maneuver especially in a new airplane.
I would have put her down on the highway...........glad you never got hurt!! Sounds like you ran out of fuel!
Great vid of what not to do imo! No doubt you learned from your mistakes as we're human! How about fines, you got some no doubt!
It sure beats me how you got 6 grand for $12 worth of scrap metal
I wonder how the landing would have gone at the home strip without any problems?
The same?
He said he had experience years ago before LSA rules never got a pilot license he always was an ultralight pilot.
I proly would have set it down on the road, deal with the effects later, might have been a safe landing and no damage. Did you ever figure out what made the engine quite. Someone mentioned the motor running at high RPM is that True? bottom line you walked away.
Yea wide open throttle on the poor thing didn't help.
Overheating looks like he wiped all his replies I advised him to remove his replies because the FAA loves RUclips.
@@Mike-01234they'll have a blast watching his free weed video with this aircraft in the thumbnail. They don't take kindly to carriage of narcotics and Marijuana on aircraft last I checked in the FARs
No need to try for the road, he missed numerous better options. A road is not an option.
Were you too high while being too low?
Didn't hear clear prop when starting. Flew too low and gave yourself no time to find suitable landing area. Shame.
I will join the swelling ranks of those wondering why you chose to fly at (I guess) between 450ft and 600ft. This on a long flight in a newly-acquired and therefore untested aircraft. Why give yourself little margin for error? Plus you hadn't flown in a while. Am not surprised the FAA wanted you take lessons. Not wishing to be rude - SMH though, sorry.
He wasn't even that high... and he didn't even land into the wind.
I don't think you can crash a plane and come off much better than that, especially at that altitude with what 1 second between the start of engine trouble and loss of thrust, well done pilot! What ended up being the issue on the engine?
Why on earth were you flying so low? You made no attempt to gain altitude from the time you were first airborne. Specially with limited landing possibilities. Everything you mentioned verbally or via text, suggested you not fly. Sadly, and unlike yourself, this particular aircraft has a proven track record. You had no business flying something that you were unfamiliar with.
It’s a blessing that you survived, you pretty much flew that plane into the ground.
Any landing you can walk away from is a good landing.
At least you walked away from it. It obviously didn't fit 103, did you get in trouble with the FAA for an unlicensed aircraft!?
Good landing all things considered
I think he was looking for high voltage lines
You should fly commercial :) you really do stink. sorry man, thanks for letting others learn. lol glad ur ok
Cruising way too low, don’t blame this on the plane. Pilot error.
What happened? The rubber band broke! Ha, ha , ha! Glad you are o.k.
A a PPL holder SEP, far too much wrong here to comment on, give up flying.
That’s why you don’t go years without flying then think you can go hop in a plane and fly. NOT like riding a bicycle
Por supuesto!! El canabis lo hiso pensar que piloteaba una turbina, !!!!!!
Altitude, altitude, altitude is your friend!
Flying too low.I would have tried to land on the road.
Again, you should have been way higher. don't know if you are a GA but height is your best friend in any plane.
We were shown how to always fly from one landing spot to the next in sequence. you walked away so you landed.
Try to stay away from the 2 stroke engines!!
Well at least Rando got to elevation 420.
I sometimes wonder if WWII fighters had as many issues with (non-combat) flying as do private planes and ultralights.
I just watched a documentary that claimed half of all Army Air Force deaths in WW II were attributed to training accidents and accidents not attributable to enemy forces (weather, equipment failure, poor navigation, etc.). If true, those numbers are both striking and thought-provoking; at least 35,000 airmen who died for nothing.
This guy started it up and took off for the border! I can't figure out the logic behind it. He could've gotten the same result by starting it up and jamming the throttle forward and letting it takeoff alone. I think the music came on because his wife called just before he rotated and he talked for so long forgot what he was doing...
Ok let me write this one down...don't forget to throttle back after climbing to a safe altitude. If engine quits, pick a spot and nose down to it so I have enough airspeed to flare and bleed off energy 3 feet off the surface to reduce damage. Got it!
2 perfect roads and you aim for a field?
Really sorry that happened. But I've got to say,.."no engine just quits because it says to itself,..think I'll stop today for the heck of it". Two stroke or four. Doesn't matter. The only difference,..one can quit quicker. But the other has quit or blown up in countless numbers as well. Manufacturing defects aside, they always quit for a reason. And if you've done your part like religion and something still happens,...you were doing something that carries risks when things go wrong. No way around that. These days,...driving on the city streets with modern drivers carries risks. And the outcome can be far worse that what happened here. At least no one but the ground hit you. Whew!
Which engine? Why did it quit?
He said it was a Rotax 503 52hp.
There’s 2 types. The ones that are taken out of Snowmobiles with single plug per cylinder.
The other is specifically made for aviation with redundant ignition and two plugs per cylinder. Not sure which one he was flying.
At least u don't jump out with a chute
You have two highways around you and you picked the bush... I don's get it! Scare of cars?