The problems with DC's Identity Crisis
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- Опубликовано: 1 окт 2024
- Sue Dibny, wife of Elongated Man, has been murdered. It's up to the likes of Batman, Green Arrow and Green Lantern to find the killer before anyone else is harmed.
A murder mystery with the JLA? Sounds great! How has this 2004 comic remained a controversial talking point all this time?
Infinity Crisis was written by Brad Meltzer and illustrated by Rags Morales.
Meltzer interviews:
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Identity Crisis was a great concept that was RUINED by a ridiculous reveal. The end does NOT match the beginning. Sue hangs up the phone after leaving a message for Alfred... she hears a noise downstairs. Sue heads downstairs, and a couple pages later we see evidence of a physical attack.
But when Jean tells the story, she called Sue, entered Sue's head, misjudged the mass increase, and Sue collapsed.
BUT THERE IS NO SUCH PHONE CALL IN THE BEGINNING! Plus, judging by the frames in the beginning and the ending, there was NO OPPORTUNITY for Sue to call Ralph - even though Ralph received a distressed call from Sue.
The ending makes NO SENSE when paired with the beginning. And that RUINED an otherwise well told tale and a great concept.
You can see in one or two of the panels when Jean is recounting what happened, sue is holding what seems to be a phone or some type of communication device saying exactly what she said to Ralph in the beginning of the story. Just in her point of view this time
The artwork was very nice, the story though, is bad, with some very poor takes on characters and strange jumps in logic.
I really liked it when i was an edgy teen who liked things dark and gritty. But looking back...the characterisation was just wonky. Hits too close to someone trying to ape Watchmen.
Honestly? That was one of my jumping points too. I had read some Green Lantern -Green Arrow tradebacks, Young Justice and Batman, along to being a big fan of the Timmverse, so I decided to ease my way into the main continuity with limited series and that was one of them. And I'm a murder mystery fan too, so to have that kind of story? I was stoked. Yet, the reveal felt weird for some reason and only years later I figured out why. Also, a lot was played for shock value.
................Still better tham Amazons Attack or Cry for Justice
Good video! I'm going to stick around, keep the nice work
Couldn't agree more and thank you!
Is there ANYTHING more inherently fascist than those in power deciding what one person is allowed to think?
That's a good point
What are they gonna do? The guy could not only reveal their identities but promises to come back and do it again.
Even the Joker wouldn't do these things (as in he won't promise to do it again and reveal their identities).
@@reddytoplay9188 I'm not against editing his memories, but doing it to his personality is crossing the line into super villain territory.
Let me give an example of what has been done in the past aboutthis specifica dilemma: after the Mutant massacre (back in the 80s), the X-men were terribly concerned that just being associated to the X-Men was putting a huge target in their friends' and families backs (sounds familiar?). They struggled with it until Fall of the Mutants, some 2 years later, when they sacrificed themselves in national television to save the universe.
They got better, as it was their wont, but decided to keep their cover of dead people.
It wasn't an easy decision, as they knew that many of their firends, starting with Nightcrawleer and Shadowcat, would mourn their passing.
But as Dazzler asked, would they rather hurt their friends by letting them be killed by their many enemies?
They didn't change their enemies' minds (as So. Many. X-Men could do - Xavier, Jean Grey, Psylocke, Rachel Summers, among a few others back then), but decided to change their situation to adapt to this very specific threat.
What defines who is a good person is what they weren't willing to do to get ahead. Zatanna, Hawkman etc. most certaily were willing to do nasty things if it meant not doing some sacrifices. So, not good people in my book.
I recall Batman noticed Barry starring at him with remorse. Did Batman ever find out about his mind wipe?
Yes he did - it might have been in this story or another but yeah he found out and was not happy about it haha
@@NuKidOnTehBlock dang, I gotta read that story
It's in JLA 115-119 - the run-up to infinite crisis.
@@TheVault_Comics thank you
The reason for the OMAC project.
This was the first major comic story that I’ve read and I’ve been a DC can ever since
After really reading the story a second time, I’ve come to kinda hate the ending. Especially the twist at the end
This is why Batman was right in Tower of Babel. He knew what the heroes are really like and what they are truly capable of.
One of my favorite stories
This is one of my favourite comic book stories. The writers had balls to tell what they told. Identity Crisis is dark but a great story, it’s a page turner
I get that it did a lot of controversial things but I think it was a brave move on DC’s part because and like what Batman Hush (2002-03) did it introduces old and new readers to the Modern Age of DC like this is where it moves away from light hearted stories, this setting the stage for more mature ones like Identity Crisis, 52, Blackest Night, Flashpoint ect,
It tells you “Hey, the bad guys aren’t playing around anymore, people are gonna get hurt, they are going to die, everything is going to change from here until now and in fact the Justice League have some secrets too, not good ones”
In my opinion, Identity Crisis was a great concept that was RUINED by a ridiculous reveal. The end does NOT match the beginning. Sue hangs up the phone after leaving a message for Alfred... she hears a noise downstairs. Sue heads downstairs, and a couple pages later we see evidence of a physical attack.
But when Jean tells the story, she called Sue, entered Sue's head, misjudged the mass increase, and Sue collapsed.
BUT THERE IS NO SUCH PHONE CALL IN THE BEGINNING! Plus, judging by the frames in the beginning and the ending, there was NO OPPORTUNITY for Sue to call Ralph - even though Ralph received a distressed call from Sue.
The ending makes NO SENSE when paired with the beginning. And that RUINED an otherwise well told tale and a great concept.
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This caused Batman to create Brother Eye due to being paranoid not trusting anyone.
It started so strong as well but the ending and reveal was just….
Am I the only one who thought that everyone was kind of hot in this comic?
Yeah it's just me
Each to their own!
@@TheVault_Comics true
That interview sounds like a pretty good pitch, but it's not related to the actual story and it gets gross and weird. Strong Millar vibes from this story.
Hmm? Heroes know better than to step on the bat's turf without his notice, this is pre-brother eye I think
You're spot on. Batman gets his memories back, causing him to distrust the JL and create Brother Eye.
Great video and good analysis. Keep them up!
Thank you!