Old Reader, New Readers: Identity Crisis
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- Опубликовано: 1 окт 2024
- Join the Uncanny Omar, Wonder Madddie, and the Amazing Amanda as they review Identity Crisis by Brad Meltzer & Rag Morales from DC Comics.
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I'll be honest, this story is mostly dumb as hell... but I liked it way more than others. Like Ultimatum and Heroes In Crisis. Rags's art is always good. Green Arrow wrecking Deathstroke is also great.
I'm not going to lie I definitely do like identity crisis.
But I do definitely agree with Omar you're trying to say about the story why it's bad because I do see those complaints.
I think the third story could have served a lot better in the sense of how Watchmen approach the Watchman was based on the Charlton comic characters.
Because I do feel that this is a good story but putting the DC characters in this type of setting that it kind of messes with some of their character.
When I first read it, it was insulting to fans of that era. This is my third read through and I found the writing so good that it wouldn’t be fair to give it a zero or a one. Because there were some great things about it.
Hi all of you . I REALLY enjoy that book. I have a few copies of that book. I enjoy the story and how dc show more of the human side of the charters and the consequences of all there actions.
I despise this book. It has great art and isn't technically badly written (though it's a pretty terrible whodunit) but it represents everything I hate about modern superhero comics (and some of DC's animated movies too). Dour, humourless, overly violent, ponderous, "grimdark", and enormously mean spirited. Oh and lots of truly horrible retconning of some of DC's brightest, least cynical heroes in the name of, haha, "realism". What they did to Sue Dibny in this story is entirely unforgivable. Cheap, gratuitous shock value at its absolute worst. I've enjoyed some of Meltzer's other work (he had a great little arc on Green Arrow, for a start) but there is no hole deep enough to bury this hateful piece of crap.
Now that I've ranted, I'm actually going to listen to you guys discuss this. I just recently discovered your channel, by the way. Great stuff.
Couldn't watch live with the time difference but did give this a reread last night. My copy (Eaglemoss) has the Flash issues tying in collected as well. Obviously this is an ensemble piece but my read on it is focussed on Ollie, partly because of my own character preferences but he's very much written as taking charge here. That "Goodbye Sue" line in issue 1 is an odd example of something you can only get away with in comics, in prose if you weren't identifying the character speaking you would have to describe the voice, in audio, TV or movies you would hear the speaker, in this format you can deliver the line with the implication that the killer is someone known to the victim without it being a voice that can be identified or even an accent of gender given away.
I actually love that this is the only medium you can get away with that.
Stream highlight was Maddie letting us know she is thicc
I don't have a problem with superhero comics dealing with sexual assault or rape, but the way it was presented in this storyline was just immature and kind of cheap.
Lynda Carter / Wonder Woman was my first celebrity crush.
I agree with you. She's great.💪
I get some of the complaints but I still love this story. To be fair, when I was younger this was probably the first “justice league” comic I read. I had read Batman but this was probably the first where more characters were involved. I think this is an amazing story. I prefer when stories are darker and more realistic. I get the idea that this character or that character wouldn’t act like this or that but when you’re put into this type of situation or that type of situation, ppl are going to act in different ways just like real ppl. I’m commenting now because I just read it again recently (after many more dc comics read) and I like it even more.
Oh boy, where do I begin? I didn't read Identity Crisis until earlier this year because a friend of mine got it for me for Christmas last year and I actually had a lot of the same problems that you guys had with it. One of my other problems with it is actually something you didn't bring up. So issue #1 of Identity Crisis came out at the same time as Robin #126, where Stephanie Brown becomes Robin after Tim Drake resigns due to his father worrying about him once Jack discovered Tim's secret in Robin #124. So why is Tim Drake in the Robin costume in Identity Crisis #1 when Stephanie is Robin in the Batman books? But as Omar said, Brad Meltzer didn't seem to care about the characters in this book.
Like I mentioned in the video. I can forgive everything in this book...but good Lord that one thing. Nah... no thank you.
@@NearMintCondition Yeah, it's weird because Meltzer had just done or was in the middle of his run on Green Arrow and I enjoyed the Green Arrow issues he wrote.
I initially didn't mind Identity Crisis. I was not familiar with the carachters and I thought the Batman mind wipe was a cool idea.
But reading 'Formely Known as The Justice League' and 'I Cant Beleive It's Not The Justice League' made me love these carachters and now I am just not attracted to reading this ever again. Too messed up story that does not make me feel good.
But I would read Justice League International 😃
That is the reason I'm not a fan of this story.
This, Infinite Crisis, Sacrifice, Cry for Justice all just took the characters down a path that there was no coming back from and DC found itself in hole they couldn't dig themselves out of without hitting some kind of reset button. And no way is this better than the Dark Phoenix saga.
Don't get the hate on this book, love it!
Several people do. The fandom seems to be split on this story.
I'm also divided when it comes to this story. I like how everyone takes care of the elonganted man and helps to find the culprit. But on the other hand, I don't think what to happened to Sue back then is good for a superhero comic. It was too intense.
This story shocked me. Can't say I love it. But I respect it and It's message. And the message was very heavy loaded with the current politics and about post 9/11 social-issues. It was about the idea of revenge and security and it's moral borders. How far can we go to protect our loved one's and does the revenge for the fallen is justified...
But it would be better as an elswer-story...
This was the first piece of fiction where I knew what rape was, so when it happened, it was disgusting and horrifying. It may be a trope but to my 16 yr old self it wasn’t. So this really affected me reading month to month. I really like this story.
I feel split about this story.
I loooooooveeeee identity crisis 😍😍😍
Good show everyone. I agree this story was not well executed at all. I'm giving it 3/10.
Art. Morales work was below the average of his peers at this time. I could see what imagery he was going for, but it fell flat for me. Inking was not very good. Coloring was standard. Probably would have been better with matte colors and a Tim Sale pencil and inking style. 2/5.
Writing. 1/5. I think there was a good concept here and some good interactions, but a lack of character understanding along with shoehorning in subjects to be explored in tie in books, made it a head scratching slog.
I thought Batman was out of character. Superman is the one who believes people can be redeemed. Batman knows monsters don't change. He won't cross the killing line, but he would break arms and psychologically torture. I don't see him being against lobotomizing Dr. Light.
I agree that the attack on Sue was a bit much by Dr. Light, but the story needed something tragic to happen to her. That way the writer could explore how the league felt in being too late to save a loved one. What happened may have been too much, but the story needed something violent enough to get our heroes angry enough to choose the path they chose.
Was Sue used as a plot device? Yes, absolutely. However, she is a supporting character, and they are meant to further the plot of the heroes. Isn't that the definition of a plot device? The deaths of Uncle Ben and the Waynes were also plot devices.
Sorry that was so long winded. Have a great night everyone!
I personally think Rags is better than Tim, but I kinda wish he hadn't been involved in this book.
Maddie you right! Legends of Tomorrow is so damn good! Season two and three are top tier tv!
Season 3 was the best of them. Good written scripts.✌️
What does “red con” mean?
Retcon. It means to say that what came before it doesn't matter or exist anymore in the timeline