3 Ways Kara can Betray Alice (Evil Kara Endings) - DETROIT BECOME HUMAN
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3 Ways Kara (You) can Betray Alice - DETROIT BECOME HUMAN
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its mind blowing to see all these new cut scenes, it is literally a different game for every choice you make.
kinez 12345 Unlike Telltale where everything happens pretty much the same
@@big-bonkin-head1034 when , Quantic Dream made Detroit in SIX YEARS , when Telltale are making each season , and its real diffucult to make more valuable choices for one game
Wife: stop doing drugs
Todd: **keeps doing drugs*
Wife: **leaves*
Todd: _IT'S YOUR FAULT ALICE! IT'S YOUR FAULT KARA!_
Detroit Become Abuser
@@broken414_ lol
@@broken414_ Detroit: Become Stupider
But didn’t Todd’s wife left him for an accountant?
@@thepillowhead2453 Detroit become defective
They wrote Todd so well. Hes completely unable to take blame and shifts it on to anyone, especially andriods, who he thinks can't feel. He takes her anger out then apologies to pull them back, he chooses someone who can't leave. Very very well done and realistic
You missed one on zlatko's house
alex kara still betrayed alice if she purposedly did it
I need to see something cute after this now
Look in the mirror then
KiKi Mamal aww so sweet ❤️
KiKi Mamal I'd highly disagree. That's the stupidest thing I've ever heard.
Why look in the mirror when there are videos of adorable animals all over RUclips?
KiKi Mamal Wow..Smooth
I agree with the other comments, Alice should've just stayed a human. It feels like the only reason she isn't is to serve a forshadowed twist and just to have extra scenes like these.
Infact because she isn't human, her narrative of being a robot makes no sense and adds nothing to the story except these endings and guilt tripping the player.
I was distant towards Alice at the Jericho bit. I just don't like her.
I abandoned her at the camp I don't like Alice either
I thought she was kinda a brat at first but I chose the happy ending. I do like her though
The character I hate is north. I kill her every time
@@NilePeoples-xd1od probably because she's poorly written
@@NilePeoples-xd1od she's not 9 she's the same age as all the other androids. She's just a robot designed to be a 9 year old. And she's going to be like that forever so she's not special someone doesn't deserve special treatment like others sacrificing themselves for her.
I hate Alice she's annoying
Ow.... This hurt a lot.
My first playthrough I stayed still in the house lmao
Feelings.
Todd really bought himself an entire robot family to abuse lmfaoo
Your name tho
*You starting to piss me off with those robots,Todd*
slut 4 jesus so true. You’re so wise
What the fuck is wrong with your yt name
Got to remind the masses that the White man is so eevil and hateful, and just so eeeeevillllll so full of HAAAAAAAAAAATTTTEEEEEEE
"3 ways to break my heart "
Pimapples ! Same 😭😭😭
Same!! 😭😭
😬😢😢
Pimapples ! YASSSSS
Pimapples ! The first made me laugh ...
Daaammn they have to hit you with the gut punch of watching Alice get killed at the camp? They really want you to see how evil you are
MrGNugget Right? And they had Luther watching on too. I just couldn't deal.
Whoever made this decision NEEDS to see how evil they are.
Lucas O'Sullivan yeah you right, but it still isn't the ideal train of thought either way
I don’t think Alice dies
8:23 haha I lost my shit. 8:55 as well. Too funny.
My human heart.... it hurts
Yo I always see you at every Kubz Scouts vid
yuni chxn haha well hello, nice meeting you here too
Hi I am Connor the android sent by cyber life the old Connor got destroyed so I was sent to replace him this should not affect the mission
Viky K.Z. my Android heart is... Optimal
heartless
I dont understand why Todd bought a robot family and could be angry at it. Was he trying to fill the gap of being lonely but was too messed up on drugs to be a good parent and control his anger?
this is answered in the game at the Canadian border, if Todd was left alive, he shows up before you can board the bus. He'll grab Kara and alert security and you have a few chances to get him to let go, and one answer that you have to unlock somewhere in the past. Kara tells him some stuff and he breaks down, then he wishes them luck after he dismisses the security he called over. Alice then has a chance to forgive him (sort of) if Kara doesn't intervene. And that's the last of Todd in the game afaik.
@@blckgrd oh I've seen that scene, so he really was trying to fill the gap and to cope was taking red ice and couldn't control himself because he felt insecure. He comes across as a dick but I think this game teaches players a good lesson that not everyone are what they seem
Yes
Better to be angry at robots
See? You do understand.
3:34 idc about betraying Alice rn boi you didn’t get Luther that’s the ultimate betrayal
Catliiy I COULDNT SAVE LUTHER HE DIED IN MY GAME AND ALICE DIED TOO AFTER THEY ARRIVED IN CANADA I FEEL SO BAD
FABI. HOW COULD YOU LET THIS HAPPEN???
Catliiy I DIDNT KNOW HOW TO PREVENT IT DJDKXJIDD
There’s no such thing as an Android family without Luther
How df did your Luther die?
Androids without their skin is very weird to look at...
haz I agree..
Ayyyy lmao
I'm just waiting for someone to show up and say "It turns me on".
I think its really cool and beautiful
Oh, you like it, do you? ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
The way alice walks away at Jericho :(
Jairus Davis how is that even a option to be distant what makes that bad her being a Android lol
because she lied to kara/the player the whole time
Too funny haha
8:23 and 8:55 are also super funny
you're a sad person andria
But I don’t understand. How could Kara not tell that Alice was an Android??? Luther knew..
EmmaIsNotAMan she knew she was an Android, but she was in denial
yeet my boi did she say that in the game?? I probably missed it
@@-Love-Emma yeah i forget the exact words but i think Luther says something along the lines of kara knowing the whole time but ignoring it
@@-Love-Emma Yeah. Right after Luther reveals it in Jericho, he says something like "You knew from the beginning, you just didn't wanna see it" and in the background a clip of Kara in the beginning of the game dropping an ad of android Alice in Todd's bedroom plays.
She thought that Alice was Todd's daughter, just like the player is made to think
Oh you didnt save luther thats why the broken robot is the one who talking xD
SHE HAS A NAME! (I forgot though)
The Irony
lucy!
It's lucy
Oh lmao I thought her name was Zoey
ah wondered why it was lucy there doing that speech. There really is a ton of possible variables in this game isnt there.
Luther’s speech > Lucy’s version
Definitely. Luther is awesome.
IKR! I hope hope hope we get a DLC about him or something. I happen to think he's SO handsome too. xD And DAMN can he sing!
I agree, Luther’s speech has some warmth in it... it also had some kind of humane feeling through it. While Lucy’s speech, it’s kind of bland and monotonous, it feels like Lucy’s saying it almost philosophical (like a theory).
SunBunz why would dlc be needed?
Aidsen to play as him
That last betrayal, though:
"Eh, that kid was holding me back anyways-" *Gets in truck*
I shouldve gotten that ending
Todd loves playing the blame game when it’s really his fault
Daury Davis lol😁
Ikr thats why ppl say ‘’DON’T DO DRUGS KIDS!!!!!’’
It's a coping mechanism per se
But yeah he's pretty fucked up :P
He actually admits its all his fault if you're able to stop him from calling the guards when he sees you at the canadian border. It somewhat redeems him to a point.
Todd: *Kills Kara* Shit. Who am I gonna blame now?! *Looks at fly*
THIS IS ALL YOUR FAULT!
"Daddy loves you"
u sure tho? you just killed her
Also, it breaks my heart to pieces to see Alice "die",let alone see her die without her "parents", Kara and Luther. (They're basically her mom and dad now , cmon)
coffee bean I don't think that's a coffee bean
you dont know what a coffee bean looks like, do you? lmao
He was on drugs, and clearly had anger issues. Some children get killed like that irl, that doesn't mean that deep inside their parents don't love them
Anny Shkilionok he wasn't on red ice, he was on the spaghetti Kara made. Wait, what if Kara spiked the SPGHETT!? WHAT IF IT WAS KARA'S FAULT!?
coffee bean Todd is a fucking dick.
I honestly don't understand why the writers made Alice an Android. The story would have been better if she were human in my opinion.
Edit: holy shit I came back a year later and saw this many likes! Thanks guys!
@@oscarvicencio3678 no u
The kara part of the game needed a twist
Connors story had hanks son and his death
Markus I guess had umm idk North's story but that doesn't make sense
@@oscarvicencio3678 I think you should
I think it was to add stake to the last 3 missions. Kara's main goal is for Alice to stay alive. The soldiers wouldn't have killed Alice if she was human. So there needed to be consequences if Kara failed her mission.
@@glowingterror6909 Twists aren't always needed.
I would prefer if Alice was a human.If they live freely in Canada, Kara and Luther could watch her grow old and take care of her once she's bed-ridden and watch her slowly die of old age. That's more bittersweet for me, only Alice gets to grow old while her 'Parents' stays the same.
hahaha that's funny, mostly because androids in Canada would eventually die out from lack of biocomponent replacements and blue blood. "Android-free" means no assembly plants or available parts for androids. That's like having a car in a country that doesn't make cars or carry any car parts. Once that car loses battery, a tire, or has any sort of issue...it's useless.
I am sure there are ways to get blue blood etc. in Canada. Rose also had a lot of blue blood stashed at her home, she will definitely give some of it to Kara, Luther and Alice.
+RedEye If nothing else there are plenty of human smugglers that will happily smuggle anything that sells for enough cash.
It also would show how humans and androids can happily co exist. It also made me wonder if Alice is also a deviant and really loves Kara or if she is just following her programming, acting loving to a parent
In a certain gameplay, ( done by the youtuber YuB) that does happen!
I feel like they should have kept Alice as human
I agree. I thought it would have been much more interesting that way. The reveal was a bit of a let down for me.
same, it wasn't even that surprising because most of us already knew about it..
Sorry copy paste from one of my previous comment: "It was to give you the perception of what being an android really would feel like. Like the lady said does it really matter if she was an android or not. The whole point is to see that those androids that became deviant could feel as well and experience emotions. I really think it was a good twist and I didn't saw Alice any different."
Yeah it just ruins the aspect of kara caring and trying to get better at being a android mother to a human girl
It wouldn't make sense to have Alice as a human the game is about androids becoming deviant and gaining consciousness.
They're androids that are alive and want to be treated equally as humans. That is what Markus is fighting for and Connor is trying to understand what deviants are.
Kara's story is about accepting androids that it doesn't matter if Alice is an android or human that you can still love her and give her the life she deserves.
I would’ve honestly liked the entire mother daughter trope much more if Alice was actually a human, I just find that to be much more interesting
Yah, it was a shitty plot twist, too easy to see.
Honestly her not being an android would have been a better plot twist
At this point, she’s not even really a deviant, so is she really even aware? She hasn’t really disobeyed an order.
@@hyperindigo4924
She doesn't even seem really scared to die. She was just scared of not being with Kara.
Rhinopocalypes That’s true; I didn’t even really catch that but that’s solid evidence
@@hyperindigo4924
Yah, she just walked in like,
"Where's Kara?!"
Besides when she asked if they were gonna die.
that last one is just beyond cruel
On the first one did Todd k-kill Alice?
That's why it's my favorite😂😂😂😂Fuck Alice😂😂✌✌
Seeing Alice without her skin all alone makes me want to cry
Alice looks better without her skin
@@dtrezy5223 *fbi wants to know your location*
@@lemonshatter2454 tell the FBI to get f--ked
@@lemonshatter2454 why did you even say that anyway
@@lemonshatter2454 you know she's just a robot not a child. Alice without her skin she's just plastic
Oh god. I didn't even see that camp scene in my playthrough. This game really has an Impact on what you choose.
Yeah thats if you get caught running from Jericho
@@roebear but only if you surrender
It was my first ending playing this game but I ofc couldn't leave Alice alone.
Who could be that evil to hurt Alice? :(
Me, she is annoying as hell
Pewdiepie
PewDiePie literally says "Well, you're pretty unlikable" when she asks "Why does everyone hate us" or something like that.
She is annoying af and not even a kid , she is the same age with Kara, just bitching all the time.
*Humans*
I'll never betray Alice
Yeah me either.
I eat food drink water and breath oxygen glad someone agree she has been through to much to be betrayed
But with the cost that u never complete 100% of the game and you will waste money for a machine
I did. Fuck Alice.
she a android
Alice: “Kara, I’m cold...”
Me: SHUT UP ALICE, YOU’RE ALWAYS COLD!
This is literally me when play it again and knew she's an android. The first time I played it I always scared when she said she's cold and like, "noooo bbb let's make fire, let's burn the city to makes you warmm"
I've been fooled
😄😄
@@fadilahnurusman5400 dosent she have the temperature sensitivity thing on?
maybe they use power to heat themselves to a certain temperature to maintain homeostasis like humans do
They should have had Kara see Alice's body in the dump where Kara is alive and Alice is deactivated. O_O
But seriously, after watching all these alternate endings, I am glad I picked the happier path.
TheDaringPastry1313 In my game Kara and Alice are dead and I don't regret. I don't like Alice.
the devs already got in trouble last game and had to replace jason's death before having a public version. originally, you saw the impact and the caved in face.
@@nanamikobayashi5566 There's something wrong with you then, and I hope you never have kids. We don't need sociopaths with no empathy having kids.
@@VeraxMusic its just a videogame character lol
Wait, couldn't he also just bring Alice to the cyberlife repair store like he did with kara?
lucariomew358/2 and the cycle continues
He probably did the following day.
Deviant androids lose their souls when they die. Only a program would be brought back to life. Alice is fucking toast, thank God.
Andria Ryder Really. How do you know that?
Assadar 5402 just watch/play the game
I honestly hated the twist of Alice being an Android. How does that even work ? The ending suggests that Luther, Kara, and Alice go on to live as a family but how? Alice will never grow up. They'll stay the same for eternity or until they get damaged. It would have been so much more wholesome if Alice was raised by Android parents and grew up knowing that Androids can be more human than actual humans like her father . That's just my opinion though.
That's my problem with Alice being an Android that she will always be a child. Alice being an Android ruined Kara's story and I feel her story is irrelevant compared to Marcus and Connor's story.
If Alice was a human child I would feel more determined to help her. Taking a child away from her abusive father and having Kara an Android raising a human child giving her a normal life like other girls as Alice wanted. But Alice being an Android made me feel empty about that character everything about Alice is just a programme she was just built and programmed to look and act like a 9 year old girl and because she's an Android all she'll ever be is a 9 year old girl. She will never have a normal life like other girls like she wanted she can't go to school and make friends with other kids and grow up with them because she will just stay the same.
I know it's stupid to think about that it's how I've become distant from that character and I really think she should of been human.
It's stupid I hated that twist as well. I hate the idea of Alice always being a child. I also think it makes Kara's story pointless.
@@dtrezy5223 @d trezy i don't like that plot twist neither, but you're acting like you didn't understand the game. the whole game is about androids being alive, and the way you talk about alice makes it feels like she isn't alive, like she is not an android that was abused by her father and needed to be saved... why would you not want to help her?
@@dtrezy5223 you explained why there's "abandoned Alice" options very well
@@dtrezy5223 exactly! I liked the idea of a robot maid deviating to protect a human child regardless of their differences, it showed that humans and androids could coexist. But the whole twist with Alice being an android ruins everything.
The whole theme of the game is about how humans and androids should live in harmony, but Hank and Connor are the only human-android interaction in the game showing that interaction between humans and androids
People who say that Alice doesn’t deserve to be loved cause she’s just an android - You missed the whole point of this game
True
Мага Шпага I was literally just about to say that, thank you for actually understanding the game and it's meaning :\
true, this game has the moral that everyone is the same, nobody should say something bad of u cuz your different. that's why I love this freaking game!!! my whole history on my laptop is filled with Detroit become human!! :D I just love Kara, Alice And Luther
finally someone who isn't stupid in this comment section...
Мага Шпага Still don't love her, h00manz 0nl7 dw33b
1% people done this only for content
It's possible the creators let us see Alice as a human through most of the game for a very specific reason. Once we learned she was an android it didn't change the way we perceive her and it goes further into personifying the androids rather than just treating them like machines.
For me once I found out she was an android I was annoyed because the story was so unique before and then it just became boring
I'm pissed off she's a robot that means she's always going to be a child what's the point of robot children.
Bea White it became boring be cause she was a robot? That’s probably a good thing they told us at the end then, but if you formed a deep connection with Alice through the game then when it revealed she was a robot it shouldn’t have changed the way you felt
I think they should’ve done it another way, with another character instead
“What difference does it make, when we can’t tell the difference” in Westworld
I got so overprotective over Alice while playing the game the entire time I was like
“IF YOU TOUCH ALICE I WILL RIP YOUR THROAT OUT.”
Caty Grey really? The whole time I just wanted to get rid of her...
fuck alice id save luther
Caty Grey if u have kids you’ll become a great parent
Dude that’s what I was like during the Zlako part I was fucking yelling at my tv telling people in the game I will fuck them up if they mess with us
Mika B she gets fukin annoying at times you just wanna break her neck then walk away
The amount of hatred for Alice here kind of shocks me. I understand that she could be a little needy, but she's a little girl, android or not. She's going to be needy, especially considering she's got settings that tell her to be so.
Terror Child she's not a little girl. Shes a robot programmed to act like one.
Lok Stir I see your point, but that's applicable to all of the characters in the game, isn't it?
But what makes a robot child different than a robot adult?
Lok Stir That's my point; She's been programmed with needs just like Connor was programmed with detective skills and Kara was programmed with the ability to care for children. Alice's purpose is just to be a kid, you know? Even if she's an android, it didn't change the fact that she's the same size as a child and about as mature as one, too.
Terror Child I guess I consider all sentient robots equal. If one was programmed to act like a child and then gains sentience I feel like it should be the same as an adult. They have the same programming, just a different shell. I mean is Alice ever going to grow and mature or is she stuck always being a helpless child robot that is too stupid to turn off its cold sensor when it gets cold? We know she is deviant since she can shoot Tod and nothing changes going forward. At least I am assuming their programming is all the same and they don't give the kid models last years processors to simulate that they are stupid. I would also assume that since the kid robots that have to interact with actual humans pretending to also be humans, that they would have better programming than the worker robots we see digging holes and such.
There is actually 5 ways to betray Alice. There's the 3 you have here.
At Zlatko's if Kara has her memory wiped and fails to find Alice just stand and wait for 10 minutes and Luther will bring Alice to Zlatko. Alice will beg Kara to save her but Kara is reset and doesn't remember her.
Another way to betray Alice is to stress her out at the camp. If you fail to reasure Alice and don't join her in line eventually Alice's stress level will reach 100 percent and she will run to Kara and gets shot and killed.
These are not betraying these are failed to protect
@@Zzolier still betraying her by failing to protect
@@dtrezy5223 look. Betraying Alice is On purpose of letting her die/ Abandon her
But failing to protect İs not on purpose you wanted to protect but failed
@@Zzolier so in that case the first one on this video isn't betraying going by what you're saying
@@dtrezy5223 actually yes
More like 3 ways to buy a one way ticket to hell where even Jesus won't save you.
best comment!
Megumi Goose I actually had more emotions for the jerrys more than alice she was so annoying and needy wish i could of made her go away earlier in the game
Megumi Goose it’s literally just a game my lord lmao
Toxichydra67 Annoying and needy? She's a child, what do you expect.
Toxichydra67 how is she needy. She’s an Android she doesn’t need anything
When I saw Alice for the first time, I always wanted to protect her, once I found out she was also an Android I had the same impression like Kara’s. I didn’t hate Alice after, but it just felt weird seeing her thinking she’s an Android. I always wanted to leave her but at the same time I didn’t. It’s weird.
mario sonicbros Different for me. Once I found out my feels went down a little but, I understand she's unique that's a personality is something that only she could have.
yeah, it kinda ruined it for me, I'd prefer if Alice was a human
I thought they should of kept her human... it would be more cute a relationship between a human and a robot
Jays Games well yeah, but yet again, David Cage is telling us something. Because even if Alice is an Android, would you still have the same love for Alice like you did before when you thought she was human?
Same here
Top 10 Anime Betrayals
lol
What difference does it make if she’s an android?😂 Still love that little girl all the same tbh.
Helplesschild.exe
Also CHILD ANDROIDS. The fuck is the point of those existing? David Cage clearly just wanted to insert a plot twist into the story, regardless of how illogical it would make the story.
“Kara, I’m cold,” - Alice
Implying she’s either lying or is programmed to sense the temperature and/or complain about it. Androids don’t feel cold, heat etc.
Todd mentions Alice attending school in one of the dialogues. A child Android that doesn’t grow up or mature is attending school? How? Do the kids at school not know she’s an Android, even though she’s one of the child Android models that all have identical appearances? The child Android model that would undoubtedly stir up attention in the media due to its very existence?
Zach S I mean, the point of them is for being a coping mechanism for people who have lost children or something. They’re programmed to act like a normal child so they probably have a “complaining” feature to make them feel more real. And with the growing up with school thing, I honestly have no clue. Maybe they’re like iPhones and have updates every year to change their appearance to be older. School is pointless however since they are an all knowing android ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
I actually think their isn't much difference, sure she is a machine programmed to act a certain way but does it really matter?
Programmed emotions feel the same for them as emotions does for us, they feel like humans which makes pain real for them.
After all even for humans everything has it's base in the brain, while for androids the core is a programme that should function exactly as a brain does.
There might be no blood, pulse or organs but it's still a living being since it has a brain/ core programme, maybe even a soul since most times a soul is compared to emotions.
I stand by the point that androids have as much right to live then human's.
Machine or not, programme or not a being that thinks it's alive, is alive.
There is a very popular quote that refers to it, "Cogito, ergo sum."/ "I think, therefore I am." - Descartes.
Being able to think, decide, feel even if it's programmed does make androids alive, in my opinion.
of course, its not supposed to make any difference, dont know why you would mention it
Zach S I remember in one of the scenes Kara turned off Alice’s ability to feel cold after knowing she is an Android. Alice wasn’t lying, she was just programmed to be more real.
Keep in mind that Alice is only programmed to act like a human child. As a deviant, she should have been able to break that programming but because the writers want to retain the mother/daughter dynamic, she continued to "act" like a helpless child.
Now, my question is, what happens with Kara's story after Alice is abandoned at Jericho...
Mcwillix if luther there I think he gets her out
I think it is a little different for child androids tbh... Normal adult androids are treated as servants. Child androids are treated as family. Kara rebelled against her owner but Alice could more so be seen as a child following their mum instead of their dad and not rebelling at all.
Was Alice a deviant though?
puckerjugs Alice is definitely a deviant. Androids are forbidden to carry or use any weapon (except the ones in the military of course) yet Alice can shoot Todd, her owner. That’s proof enough that she’s a deviant
I may have missed something, but why does Alice not have the circle LED like other androids? Did Todd rip it off of her or something?
Excuse me while I go pick up the broken pieces of my heart from the floor.
You are a good Player, Karen. Always know that. You have a good heart and respond to the game choices appropriately. Have fun!
Alan Smithee Thanks! :)
I really don't understand some of these comments saying that they didn't care about Alice anymore after she was revealed to be an android, do you not care about any of the androids because of what they are or just Alice specifically for some reason? I understand preferring the story of a human and an android as a family over what we got, but saying things like she meant less or that you wanted to leave her behind after the reveal baffles me
Yeah I feel the same though I really didn't like the twist of Alice being an android I still felt the bond she and Kara had was real
The bond gets seriously stressed there because Kara thought all along (or wanted to think) that she was doing what she was created to do. She was taking care of a human. Suddenly that mission got betrayed by the fact that she was caring for a robot, not a human. All of the child's needs, like being cold or sick or tired or needing comfort, turned out to be just programs. The child she was going to watch grow up and that was going to be Kara's legacy turned out to be a permanent child robot with no future other than remaining a child forever.
Perhaps most devastating is that Kara now has to question whether Alice really feels a bond with her or not. Could it be that the affection Alice had for Kara wasn't that of a child for its mother? Could it be that instead Alice is just doing what a robot child's programming says to do - show devotion to its caregiver? Has Alice become a deviant and thus really feels for Kara, or is Kara just playing along with an android's default program? Would Alice's programming cause her to react the same way to anyone else who started caring for her? Does she really LOVE Kara, or is it just a construct of her coding? It's a shattering revelation for Kara. Kara has to fight to trust that what Luther or Lucy tells her is true - that Alice really truly loves her.
So for Kara to climb that hurdle and keep their relationship intact is actually a pretty big step.
It’s really annoying how useless and needy she was when she didn’t need to be in dire situations. There are several times Kara risks her life when it wasn’t needed because Alice didn’t have that human need. I also find it questionable that Alice seems completely fine with Kara risking her life for her all the time and never helps or even tells her the truth. That plus all the doubts the person above me said make it kinda iffy for me.
Brianna Bucci for me it was because from the start I didn't like Alice. But thinking she is human I was hoping she will grow as a character, be helpful in some way. I thought she chose to love an android, that she saw a lot more in Kara than others did. Finding out that she is an android didn't change things for me a lot, just made me lose even that 1% interest I had in their story.
Hipster Madara human children can be horribly useless and needy. I think there are plenty of signs that Alice had become deviant, I would say the biggest debate can be had regarding when this occurred mostly because we don't know much about how children android differ from adults. I don't recall Alice's being an android specifically placing Kara in danger, though I do recall her insisting that Zlatko shouldn't be trusted and Kara being like "oops too late I'm already hooked up to this giant machine in his creepy basement". She also served as Kara's moral compass, insisting that they don't steal from others and placing the protection of Luther above her own safety. In the Camp endings she could have a stress meter which so far has only been seen in two deviants. Plus, if android children were modeled to be perfect children who sought nurturing and were there to adore their "parents" then she had already been doing a poor job of abiding by that programming by the start of the game given her behaviour around Todd, she was terrified of him. She's even straight-up melancholic in some interactions with Kara, responding to her insincere optimisim with some dark realism, not necessarily painting the picture of a fake and ideal child but more of a child who has been through some shit.
Her reasoning for not telling Kara was shown in the game, she explicitly expressed fear that Kara wouldn't love her as much if she knew and it seems some players have made that fear a reality. The person above mentioned Kara's own personal struggle to come to terms with Alice's androidhood. This is a struggle riddled with her own doubts and experiences, which is valid to consider from a role-playing perspective how Kara might react to such a revelation, regardless of Alice's true nature. What I'm saying is that we, as the player, get to see Alice apart from Kara's emotional baggage and for some to support an Android revolution and fight for their recognition of personhood only to desire to treat Alice as less than person because she is an android seems wildly inconsistent and senseless at the very least.
3 Ways To Be A Monster
Mparker123wolf Oh no I am a monster because I killed Kara and Alice. Oh nooo!
Mparker123wolf Yes I am a monster.
I saw a few people in the comments that said something along the lines of "Alice ie just a machine with arms, legs, and a face" and yes, in reality she is, but it scares me because it's like in the game where people think it's okay to abuse your androids because they aren't the same as us. Although they are not human, it's not right to beat them up. They never chose to be androids, they never wanted to be beaten. I'm worried about the future because there will be androids and there will be people like Todd who abuse of androids like he does. Honestly kind of disgusts me.
Biodegradable Volgs I feel this game has far too pessimistic a view of people. Of course, people will abuse their androids, but those would be the same people who would abuse people too, which means they were just scum in the first place.
Julianne Stingray true. Some people suck lol.
Biodegradable Volgs
People break their iPhones all the time. How it any different?
Realistically speaking, before deviancy none of the androids are actually alive, they just have a set of programs and responses that they follow. That’s how it’s portrayed in game, and would mean that Todd really didn’t do anything wrong if the deviant glitch never happened.
Pinstoice Probably that the phone wouldn't scream or yelp when dropped? If my phone gave off a scared yelp every time I dropped it I would feel fucking terrible, my dude. It's human nature when someone or something acts afraid, it's hard-coded in us to want to help. A child crying out for help triggers a subconscious response to seek out the source of the noise and provide any help we can. If your phone were to scream every time you dropped it, pretty sure you'd feel a bit bad, even if it's just a machine.
(Edit) Found it!
"Parsons tested whether a baby cry somehow switched on such survival responses by asking volunteers to play a game of whack-a-mole, before and after listening to various sounds including babies, adults and animals in distress.
'They were faster and more accurate after listening to the infant vocalisations. It's almost like we have this improvement in our effort for motive performance immediately after listening to vocalisations that might facilitate care-giving behaviour,' said Parsons."
Androids are like phones so which means people wont really abuse their androids because its gonna be expensive as fu-
damn boy this game gets really messed up..
Why does Alice look like Lil Tay like wtf
she doesn't tf?
@@NakedTrashPanda she kinda does though.
@@wolfyplayz7852 i can see it, but she also looks nothing like her, i guess you have to look at her at different angles or something
@@glasscrunchwrap She ain't lil tay anymore, alice is now lil A
ive been thinking that too 😂
Tbh I feel like this last ending where Kara abandons Alice has one of those old movies feels. Where reality triumphs over idealism. Pessimistic ending but also human ending. Sacrifice is beautiful but self preservation is not an evil in itself. So it teeters toward the neutral ending.
fl333r What is idealism?
That was not even complex enough for the "in english" cliché xd
Kelvin basically when you look for (and try to achieve ) the best in situations, especially when it is impossible.
This seems like an awful lot more depth than the writer was going for.
I don't consider leaving your child for death while saving your ass as "more realistic". Whoever would do that in reality is just a selfish soulless piece of trash.
I’ll understand if I see 10% of players doing this to find out what happens. But I’ll never forgive those 0% of players that abandon here truly. Oh wait, zero? Oh, we’re good then.
(Fr tho. It better be 0%)
It's not actually 0% though. It's just less than 1. I say this because I ditched her punk ass at the concentration camp and cracked up when she got recycled all alone. I also let Todd kill her. Unfortunately, he killed Kara too so I was a little upset about that.
8:23 and 8:55 kills me every time haha
Andria Ryder my nigga you need jesus
Michael Brown why do you say that?
Andria Ryder XD
I feel guilty when i watch this.
Its all fine you can order one more Alice again XD
xGARIDx yea... but not deviant... just an emotionless cold android (cause memories are lost)
Stefan Mihalache Kara could turn the new one into a deviant, just like Marcus and Connor did with the other androids, it's like a virus
xWickedWitchOfTheWestx (*SORRY FOR THE LOOONG COMMENT*) but it's not that simple to turn an android a deviant (press a button, and it's deviant! Yey) the android needs an emotional shock (alice's abuse ; markus's fight with leo etc.) (That means: kara should beat alice for some time to make her deviant or to traumataize her if so, alice would hate kara after that) + to turn into a deviant can take months like in markus's story or like the android that killed carlos ortiz (he got abused like 16 month then he turned full deviant)
no you can't she would t know anything
Stefan Mihalache emotional shock does trigger deviancy but that's not the only way an android can turn into a deviant, tell what emotional shock went torugh the android Connor turnerd into deviants at Cyber Life, or the ones at the shop that Markus turned, deviancy it's like a virus, Kamski says so himself, a deviant can pass the virus to another android and turn it into a deviant
Why an I doing this to myself?
That's the real question
Holy shit I’ve never had so much tension and anger at watching this
8:55 THIS IS BY FAR THE WORST ENDING
What happened someone pls tell me
@@nicoleteh3439 She got destroyed/killed.
Rip alice
*the funniest
Poor Luther get him leave that mini chubby bunny
Wow. So Alice being an android changes your feelings about her so easily?
Special_JKM yes?
Special_JKM it does bring up more emotions for me but I still love her
To each their own.
Cool.
Mmmh I think it can be really hard. Maybe Alice is not a deviant and all her love is her programms. Maybe she dosen't have a conscious. If that's the case, I don't consider her "alive" and she is not like the other androids at Jericho. Just a machine. But... for me she has her own personnality, besides her program ! ... I think XD I recommend to see Brianna brucci conversation. One of the commentary is what I am thinking and my English is not good enough ^^'. Nevertheless, it must really affects us if our feelings change so fast.
To the folks that were disappointed by the reveal: **SPOILER**
The whole point of the game was that it didn’t matter if they were android or not, what mattered was that the androids slipped into human emotions and all the seeming irrationalities and bonds that come with them. I was a bit taken aback when i began to suspect but honestly it was a genius little “test” thrown in by the creators of the game to see if you had adhered to the idea that being human is something that transcends biology.
If you felt empathy for Kara but not for Alice, that doesn’t make much sense to me. Honestly that just means that you missed the point. Kara felt love, fear, hatred, etc and cared for Alice because Alice needed her. Alice felt love, fear, sadness etc. and cared for Kara because she was her mother and protector. I also think Alice had slipped into deviancy at some point and was not just “programmed” to act like a child because her relationship to Kara and how she feels about her can vary based on Kara’s actions. For example, if you force her to steal or are cold towards her, Alice doesnt just shrug it off like an android is supposed to but instead gets hurt by it; an irrational thing to have a programmed android do.
HOWEVER
If you ended the game and still thought that they were just walking toasters and had connor ruthlessly pursue his mission, then yeah sure, that makes more sense. In that case it means that you never bought the idea that they were “living beings” and that biology was a more important determinant than the ability to have and process complex emotions (which both humans and deviant androids could do). It means it mattered more to you that the feeling of fear and not wanting to cease existing came from a biological brain than a synthetic one and that the synthetic brain is only ever able to perfectly imitate feeling but not truly feel. I would say this point of view is wrong, because deviant androids in the game are repeatedly surprised by the fact that they CAN feel. Deviancy mean that somehow they were able to truly feel for the first time, rather than imitate. Thus they could no longer imitate being ok with being abused and beaten because now all of a sudden emotion began to get in the way. They could no longer process emotions and actions logically, like when the escaped deviant that was hiding in the attic stated that he hadn’t really thought it through but was simply scared.
I think the twist devalues the relationship. Because it held so much more meaning in my opinion when it was a human girl who saw no difference in her Android Mommy despite being an Android. I still take issue with this twist and I think having Alice be separated from Kara before the camp scene could've been several times more heart wrenching. This twist was a bit of a blunder but it doesn't hurt my overall experience with the game or tarnish it's greater message.
I just find it weird and slightly creepy knowing Alice probably can't "grow up." The point of being a parent in my mind is to help someone grow up, so that they eventually don't really need you.
I felt such a pain in my gut watching this. I'm completely fine not unlocking these paths.
I admit I was never fond of Alice... but that last one just broke me.
I like how in thr first example people are like, "How is it kara's fault" and " Why would he come for Kara" But they don't realize is Todd is blaming the player. Not Kara, you stood there and did nothing. *He Broke The 4th Wall*
... No. He blames Kara because he can't blame himself. He blames androids as a whole actually, as androids are the reason he lost his job. To cope with the stress, he turned to drugs, which caused his wife to leave him and take his daughter with her, which caused deeper issues (including worsening his depression). He bought a child android and a housekeeper android to replace his family, but the drugs continued to make him unstable and he was unable to control himself when "teaching her a lesson." If he blamed himself, he'd have to realize that he was in the wrong, which he can't do. It's not a fourth wall break, it's a character trait.
Anubis Mate, You really gonna come out with a paragraph?
Natasha Holmes Why not?
It hurts me a Lot how Kara abandoned Alice at the recall Station. I was so damn sorry for Alice. To see how loneley she was just tears my heart apart.
Simon Schmidt in a fictional game
Alice deserved it
Andria Ryder U HAVE NO HEART HOW TF DID SHE DESERVE IT
kitty luv it's a fictional game calm your titties
She's a lying little skank. Fuck Alice.
you're the reason I'll install adblocker now
Todd: *THIS IS ALL YOUR FAULT!*
Kara: ...
Me: Bish what she do? >:3
*After destroying Kara*
*Looks at the fly on the wall*
Todd: THIS IS ALL YOUR FAULT!
LOL XD
Just Watch LOL
omg i thought that too
>:v
Just Watch lol then a piece of grass
YOUR FAULT.
Random person.
YOUR FAULT.
Himself.
**Says nothing**
Then a microscopic organism.
FURAGGHHHHHH
with Todd everything is someone else's fault
I started to suspect her of being an Android when Luther said something about her. I wasn't sure, because at Jericho when she said she was hot and cold at the same time, I thought maybe she was sick or something. Idk I was surprised but it didn't make me love Alice any less. The whole point of this game is to get justice for the Androids. If you don't !Ike them and don't have any compassion for them then why even bother playing?
to go full terminator.exe with connor on the other droids ? :^)
Lel
@connor *ahem*
Android murder simulator
Whoever chose these choices...Or who requested this....we need to have a serious talk...
I've done all these I've had the happy endings as well. It's just a video game so who cares what Choices we make.
The whole point of the game is making choices??? Thats why there are different outcomes and its in our nature to be curious :/
Stolen Comment
Ita video game amigo
Another potential betrayal would be to get Alice's stress up before joining her in the line in the camp and then don't intervene whilst having Markus complete the revolution path and thus Kara only survivor (only way she can survive alone past that point otherwise she ends up in the recycling machine. Least that is what I am guessing happen because the 'Don't Intervene' option has a 2nd branch other than 'Kara is dead' after 'Alice is Shot' so the other one has to revolve around her escaping thanks to Markus.
There is another way how to save both at the camp :). But you'll need to have Ralph or Jerry get killed for this ending
dose the first one really count as BETRAYING Alice
That's what i thought toooooo...
Yes. She is letting her get killed and doing nothing.
milkyway she doesn't know that she is gonna get killed she knows that she is going to get beaten
she kinda let her die
milkyway how so, if you do break out and go for the gun and walk into the room after he is already in there, you see him pull out a belt meaning it's easily a beating or something less. So in theory, she would just think she's getting punishment. Also her dying from it shouldn't be possible since we find out later she's a android too meaning she couldn't have died since she wasn't even damaged and no blue blood was there.
Kara leaving her to die was VERY painful to watch, oh god my heart!
Wait a sec HOL' UP who wants to betray a abused little girl in the first place!?
Alexa-rae Barada a human without a soul
*abused sack of wires and plastic
An not a
hey its still a little girl, we human are literally just a sack of meat and bone, so what's the difference?
canale di diana Your that dumb they aren’t human they are andriof
I love Detroit Become Human because it causes a lot of good discussions between players and game viewers about how our humanity is tested and what it means to be human.
ugandria womack
It really doesn't matter what it means become human because everything depends on different factors. Independent and dependent variables clash and people react differently based on personality and morals. There's nothing more to it. You can argue, compare, relate all you want, but in the end it doesn't matter. There are millions of different point of views that in the end will never come together. Whoops. That got dark.
Napdragon I guess that sounds disappointing but you’re not wrong. I still like a good discussion though, so thank you
Napdragon I’d love to hear the different opinions people have, for example if it’s simply physical and nothing more or it’s not just a physical thing. I understand what you’re saying tho. Not everyone is going to be able to boil down to the same conclusion and that’s fine.
8:02 i cried when i saw that face her being alone and without her skin just makes me-
Heartbreaking.
Kara's reaction to finding out that Alice is an android too...
You can understand her potential disappointment. Kara became deviant to save what she believed was a human who needed her. But then she may have thought Alice was just programmed to make her feel needed.
It could feel like a betrayal.
But if you don't choose to be distant, she realises that Alice has her own emotions too, she's also a deviant.
Kara can betray her in Zlatkos house aswell, by letting her memory be deleted and let Alice die
Kara finessed alice😂😂😂
King Merck OOF
no stop
King Merck lol
King Merck finessed her life*
GrimDeath 8 y ...
OOOOOOFFFFFFFFFF
On the boat when they tell you to reduce weight 😂
Theeraphat Sunthornwit I was thinking you throw Alice over board to save yourself.
QuantumSnake not my fault. Plump little girl weighs too much.
That should've been an option. Evil Kara throws Alice overboard to save herself.
I actually think to ditch her plastic ass when that objective pop out
Wth all of you are evil
You’re a monster if you do any of this to alice
Well I mean...I've gotta 100% the game somehow. Sacrifices gotta be made. Actually I'll do everything except for the endings where Hank kills himself. I dont want to do that to Sumo
Salty Spaniard We keep Sumo happy, he’s done nothing
Who cares about Alice she's just a robot
@@ise8128 well you are playing as robots throughout the game so i guess you don't like anyone except human characters
@@bagelsandwich6400 I like Connor and Markus but not Kara it's a pointless story. And Alice is not a real child she just a robot that was designed to be a child and she will always be a child and never grow up so there's no point to her character she's just really annoying and I want her to go away.
difficult to watch :( but make Alice an android is a bad scenaristic idea
Kinda wish she was a human. Cause it would make it kinda interesting if you went to the recycling camp
Evil kara ending....
The kara emotion like ....
I don't care
if im being completely honest i dont really like alice that much. shes low key really annoying.
Raising a kid be like 😂
bruh she's a fucking kid
Im CoLd
Even for an android, this is too unhuman :-(
simsInnovation word is INHUMANE
Maybe is inhumane but it's not inandroid
@@lajh100 *inside*human
the thing about people saying that everything was ruined for them when they found out that Alice was an Android. in the whole game, each android learns how to form relationships and have human emotions throughout the story. Alice and Kara have formed a relationship with each other and what they had was real, they loved and cared for each other strongly. just like a human mother would care for their daughter. the fact that she’s an Android shouldn’t make that any different, that’s kind of the point of the game. i get it though, personally, i was pretty shocked when i found out. i didn’t really care about it shortly after, the video was still pretty heartbreaking to me. :/
Simon I think the best way I can personally put why I didn't like it is because what I derived from the Kara and Alice storyline was something sort of like "Love transcends any differences" and that humans and androids can actually live together. The questions that I started asking after learning about her being an android, the question "Well... Does she really care for me or is that just her programming?" sort of ruined part of my investment in her because, well, she very well could not be deviant at all and only following her programming.
But, I think the biggest problem I have sits in the fact that as stated, it doesn't leave any lasting impact. It just sort of... Happens. I just felt "Huh. Fair enough, I guess" when they revealed it. Plus the fact that the number of signs to it along the way was so numerous that it didn't take long to figure out. I guess I don't exactly feel it *destroys the plot or anything,* I just feel it ruined a message that was strong on its own to pull out the rug from under the player. Sure, pulling a rug out from under one's feet can be surprising, but in this case, I was mostly just disappointed that someone did it.
It was ruined for me because the plot twist of Alice being an android relies on plot holes and deliberately withholding info from the player. It would be an ok twist if it was well done
Simon Agreed. The whole point of the game was that it didn’t matter if they were android or not, what mattered was that the androids slipped into human emotions and all the seeming irrationalities and bonds that come with them. I was a bit taken aback when i began to suspect but honestly it was a genius little “test” thrown in by the creators of the game to see if you had adhered to the idea that being human is something that transcends biology.
If you felt empathy for Kara but not for Alice, that doesn’t make much sense to me. Honestly that just means that you missed the point. Kara felt love, fear, hatred, etc and cared for Alice because Alice needed her. Alice felt love, fear, sadness etc. and cared for Kara because she was her mother and protector. I also think Alice had slipped into deviancy at some point and was not just “programmed” to act like a child because her relationship to Kara and how she feels about her can vary based on Kara’s actions. For example, if you force her to steal or are cold towards her, Alice doesnt just shrug it off like an android is supposed to but instead gets hurt by it; an irrational thing to have a programmed android do.
HOWEVER
If you ended the game and still thought that they were just walking toasters and had connor ruthlessly pursue his mission, then yeah sure.
E1337hobo X First of all, great name. Second, though, the issue I personally had was that it already had a strong message going for it, a message I was disappointed they weren't going for. I had sympathy for Kara because I had seen the world from her eyes primarily, whereas I can't be sure about Alice's perspective. For all I know, she very well could just be following her programming. As someone who's seen how manipulation works first hand, I couldn't help but feel very distant upon the reveal. Partially because "Well, that message wasn't what they were going for? That sucks, I really liked that spin on the whole thing."
But, then I went on to think "What if she was never deviant in the first place? She was meant to be the perfect child and that's what Luther described, 'she became the child you wanted' and all that." There's even precedence for that being a possibility, not all of the androids were deviant, we only saw them become deviant during specific circumstances. Sure, that's not what they're going for in all likelihood, but it is something they failed to iron out. If they didn't want people thinking that way, then make it more clear that Alice is properly deviant and is following Kara around because she really needs her, instead of following what she was built to do practically perfectly.
Simon I love you Simon.
If I were kara I would've abandoned alice
First he said it was all Alice's fault then once Alice died he said it was Kara's fault?
seems legit
xShadowDestroyerx lel
who's he gonna blame after Karas dead? Mr Nobody?
Jays Games lol probably or maybe blame us
Satan.
Whoever did these options, we need to talk.
Fishing for likes by stealing someone else's post, I see....
Stop copying people you didn't even give credits to the person
@LaZyLawless_ YOUR SO RUDE
*MUST PROTECT HER AT ALL COSTS*
What is wrong with you?!?
(´༎ຶོρ༎ຶོ`)
Wow, see how quickly Alice goes to find someone else as soon as she sees Kara is now distant. Fickle.
All kids do that. They need a secure base. Alice lost hers, and was desperate to find something comforting in such a harrowing time.
No point in staying around someone who doesn't want u, tbh she probably went off to cry since u still can go look for her before the ship blow up
Yeah that little whore.
Rt and uh i kinda irrelevant?? i feel bad for her and kara and all they went through and stuff but she was bitching the whole game about not stealing and putting themselves in possible danger, then she does this. I get that she is programmed to think as a kid but goddamn is she dumb or sth thats why she doesn’t realize what is going on
Kara's story became irrelevant once alice was revealed to be an android.
I completely lost interest in Kara's story it would of been a nice story of an android becoming deviant and protecting a human child and becoming a mother to a human child. Kara could have been more involved with the android rights revolution and helping Marcus just as Connor did when he becomes deviant Kara could have shown the humans that androids and humans can get along that she is willing to be a mother to this poor abused child it could have been the key to android rights and freedom.
But they fucked up and made Alice an android as well and there's no point of a child android because all Alice will ever be is a 9 year old girl she will never grow up and become a woman it fucked up Kara's story. I can't accept Alice as an android child which is why I'm always distant with Alice i can't choose hug after I find out I lose all interest in Kara's story and just focus on Marcus and Connor's story.
I wanna see what happens at Jericho if you chose "look for alice " cause I haven't seen any game play of that...
Phillip Exotic you should watch corykenshin
Jays Games cory has not did that yet he did hug her
Jays Games oh thxs
thabizzness 2 oh ok thxs for the info
You should watch Noahfromyoutube playing this.
Damn! Not gonna lie this is a Real Choice Driven game! I give this a 10/10👍 there are so many Outcomes and actually REAL DECISIONS! TellTale needs to take Notes 😂💯😂
Kara, You betrayed her tiny little pump regulator-
10:10 "Oh shit, i knew i forgot something...."
Todd is one of those people who just wants to be right but when it goes wrong they blame someone for it
Sadly... I am one of those people, but I would NEVER go as far as Todd did...