I suspect the Bluetooth issues are mostly caused by people not realising they must have the Wifi antenna connected to their PC for Bluetooth to work properly. Range shouldn't be an issue then.
@@arnovanwingerde8589 After testing this out for myself I found that the reprojection on the PS5 wasn't contributing as much to the overall clarity as I suspected. While it was nice not to see reprojection in HL Alyx, the overall blurriness that all fresnel lenses have, felt the same (from what I can tell) as say resident evil 4 and 7 on the PS5. So yeah I would say there is some truth to the psvr2 lenses not being the clearest lenses available. Also the mura effect looked exactly the same to me in HLA as it does in the resident evil games as well. Best advantage is the FOV which is an upgrade from the quest 2 in that respect. I also appreciate the colors and contrast levels. For sure they are quite bright and colorful. The advantage to increasing the resolution of the game itself is that I can see a lot farther without it blurring as much as a lower resolution headset like the Rift S.
I can guarantee you that literally no one is buying this. Console owners that invest in gimmick VR like psvr2 don't have PC, and more than likely don't know how to use a gaming PC. If they want VR that isn't on their PS, they would buy a quest 2 or 3.
@evolicious lol I'm a console owner that bought a PSVR 2 and built my own PC and I prefer the PSVR2 over Meta Quest. My Meta Quest will only be use for travel now, thanks to the PSVR2 PC Adapter.
In my case I got my PSVR2 controllers working flawlessly by using my wifi/bluetooth antenna that came with my asus motherboard which has 5.3 bluetooth.
I think the BEST TIP is..... The psvr 2 steam app has Motion smoothing on by default plus the resolution is set VERY high. Fiddling with those fixed all my issues. Im using the bluetooth thats built in to my board but i do also have the asus 500. ZERO bluetooth issues.
Not having support for the adaptive triggers or haptic is such a bummer. But hey, the PS5 DualSense controller didn't support most PC games in the beginning, but now most big games that release on both PS5 and PC have it working on PC. Hopefully the same thing happens here.
It is up to the developers, not Sony… to make use of the massive UNIQUE capabilities of Dualsense and PSVR… all of the PSVR2 games on PS5 give the full brunt of the experience :)
@@michelverheijen6643that's exactly the problem. If Sony offered eye tracking/foveated rendering on pc we'd start to see more headsets with it then devs would have a reason to incorporate those into their games.
Those through the lenses pictures don't do justice to the PSVR2 at all. It looks much shaper in the headset when correctly positioned, enough to see individual pixels, and those images also don't represent the more vivid colors, oled black and higher brightness compared to Quest 3. In fact, those images obscure the Quests flaws: color, contrast, glowing blacks, low brightness and compression (since pictures are compressed anyway, like RUclips videos).
I think its a fair representation actually. Pretty dissapointed about the lack of sharpness in PSVR2 compared to Quest3. The black levels are also not a night and day difference that i have expected since on PCVR the black areas still look more greyish compared to native PSVR2 for some reason. Compression differs from game to game. In Alyx for example, the testing of PSVR2 really highlighted how good compressed image already works on PCVR. There is a small loss of detail that is offset by the better sharpness of Quest3. Overall i think the Quest3 wins. Still keeping the adapter for games like SkyrimVR or Asgards Wrath1 which do look shitty on streaming headsets.
@@Isaax yeah, there are a lot of pictures on reddit, DO NOT PAY ATTENTION TO THEM. there are pictures of pcvr through lens comparisons (which you shouldnt bother with anyways) that have the quest 3 and psvr2 on pcvr at different settings each. there are just so many unflattering pictures that have edge lens warping but ONLY of the psvr2 and not of the quest 3.
@MrCamel254 Strongly Disagree. Having used vr2 for almost a year, those comparison images are significantly off. It is misleading for the video creator to pretend that the screenshots on his desktop are actually what you see in the lenses. Maybe because he has a job designing a PC VR game and Not PC?
I like looking at my quest 2 over the PSVR2 the resolution was nice but it’s not built as strong and it looks like you’re looking at a 4k tv through a screened fence… it’s ass
I just got a psvr2 for 400 bucks and I'm pretty much blown away by the quality for the price. With the pc adapter and the goated haptic feedback controllers I think it's the best "budget" VR system atm.
its not that they dont care its that nobody else cares, its too expensive for an already expensive console with few games that make it actually worth buying
@ibilesfighter3.16 I got mine today's for 400 plus the horizon game for my ps5 but I'll also use it on pc I think that's a nice way to use a psvr2 set
@@joogled1839it’s tragic because you could fix the quest 2’s colours super easily if we had colour and tint options but nope. Only if you use it on pc for steamvr you can do that.
Good review, would have mentioned FOV and that psvr2 also has great AAA exclusives such as gt7, res 4, res 8, synapse, call of mountain that can be played with a ps5. That psvr2 ports of quests games usually far superior with adaptive triggers, head haptics and superior graphics.
This is definitely a good thing to consider. If you *also* have a PS5, then PS VR2 is a must-buy imo, especially for that $350 discounted price. You get the best versions of the best high-end games on both PC and PS5, so up to $500 for one headset on both PC and PS5, instead of having to pay $500 for a PS5 headset *PLUS* another $500 for a PCVR headset. If you only game on PC and have no intention of ever getting a PS5, then a PS VR2 even at $350 might be a harder ask vs a Quest 3 for $500 + $50 for elite strap. Only worth it for PC only if you value realistic colours over edge-to-edge clarity imo.
@@Zeforasthen why mention the standalone library of quest and how Sony hasn't really pushed vr game wise even though it has more exclusives in the last year and a half than quest 3 currently has. If just reviewing it as a vr headset for pc don't mention either.
Haha no. I’m not going anywhere. I’ve been busy working on my own VR projects but I’ll always be around if something important / interesting is happening []-)
Mike, I'd like to hear your opinion on the Pimax Crystal Light. Please do a proper review like this one. Great job buy the way, a pleasure to watch, as always! I hope you'll keep releasing more videos, more often than your schedule for the last few months ;)
If you have a PS5 already and want to also get into PCVR the PSVR2 is a no brainer, If you don't have a PS5 but still want to VR and maybe PCVR then the quest 3 or even a 2 is a viable choice. Also I think it's funny that the side by side comparisons were all in the HMD photos being taken really giving misinformation on the clarity of the images, also looking like a little PS editing too. I have both HMDs now and regardless of lenses the image and graphical fidelity inside the PSVR2 is still better, though not but very much. Also for PCVR not having a compressed image really makes a bigger difference than I had imagined.
I´m really strugling with my Quest 2 latency when playing PCVR games (used to Rift S and G2) (of course the modem is on the same room). How is it on Q3?
@@andrelip1 IDKW everyone makes a big deal about lenses, they can only show you the quality of the display. You can have million dollar lenses but if your display is shit you just have a clear image of crap.
@@PandaGamingPodcast I blame the lenses because it looks like a dirty window. The G2 vs PSVR2 is like comparing a perfect clean glass with transparent plastic. One feels invisible and the other don’t. But PSVR have its merits like better latency, 120hz and wider fov. The ultra low latency stuff is very underrated in this headset. It have the same input lag as my 390hz monitor in HumamBenchmark. 30 lower than the Reverb… can even play high level competitive counter strike in Steam Cinema. Q3 sound terrible here.
Can somebody tell me how Sony dropped the ball and let all these get sold out everywhere from probably scalpers. Instead of just contacting all the PS users that have a PSVR2 already.
The reason Sony didnt pack a bluetooth reciever into the adapter is because a Bluetooth receiver with a high enough bandwidth to power the sense controllers wouldve essentially had to replace your pci bluetooth stack - as the Tplink dongle does. A unifying reciever (used for things like your mouse) wouldnt have cut it. I feel this being forced on users would have actually been worse than giving users options - as inconvenient as it may be.
Isn't the "unifying receiver" a proprietary Logitech standard? Also later WMR headsets solved this issue completely by putting a bluetooth receiver in the headset, then forwarding the controller data over USB. IIRC, the controllers even came paired with the headset out of the box and all you had to do was turn them on. You do still need special headset specific software to re-pair them though, which isn't great.
Already have the PS5 and PSVR2 , already considered building a new PC after being absent from the PC world for years now. In terms of VR gaming on PC I guess Im already half way there.
Just wanna mention that not all 2000 series RTX GPUs had virtual link connectors as a lot of third party manufacturers removed them. I bought a 2070 specifically with a VirtualLink last year so I had to be careful what I bought online. (I use the port for my XReal Air AR glasses.)
Awesome video Mike!! Always great to see you out here 😀. I see you are wearing the globular cluster, i have heard it eliminates the sweet spot problem. Also the reddit user pics looked to shaky to me. Is that really how it looked to you?? Like some of the images seem to ghosted to me
Globular cluster was a game changer for me for PSVR 2. I thought the images were a good representation of what it looks like. Side by side obviously PSVR 2 looks worse but of course you don’t notice it in VR []-)
Thank you mate! I’m not going anywhere. Uploads just might be slower than before as I’m working on my own VR projects. I’ll always cover important / interesting stuff though []-)
5:47 If you want it to be the best shooter in VR out there, have full body character or atleast arms, alot of people don't like floating hands like me it ruins the immersion in me being someone else in VR
If you already own this headset for your ps5 and it’s your first time using PC VR, it can be a bit of a hassle to set up. I have occasional issues with connectivity but it seems to be with the steam app not the PlayStation VR app or the Bluetooth
Honestly while the color and black levels might be nicer on the PSVR 2, id rather have the clarity and sharpness of the Quest 3's display (the PSVR2 also seems to have a lot of chromatic aberration) That and like you said, the quest 3 has loads of functionality outside of being used for PCVR
I was really hoping that Sony would make a VR headset that works on PS5 and PC. But they didn’t. So they released this box as a solution. It’s gonna really help out with sales. This feels unfair. PSVR 2 users have one of the best headsets on the market right now and have access to a decently sized and fantastic selection of exclusive PS5 games and all the benefits of PC VR. Not just the exclusive games, but the modding aspect, too!
The Quest 3 is better in most ways but one.. PSVR 2 does not go flat in only a couple of hours 😁 I am a Quest 2 user at the moment and it's the only thing that continues to annoy me. Even the Quest 3 still has the battery life issue. Power Banks only help so much.
I am planning on getting a psvr2 to play some ps5 psvr2 games but if I happen to have a working pc in the future I might get an adapter to play pcver games, hopefully I don't regret buying it!
I don't have a wifi card in my computer, and I had a TP-Link UB500 USB adapter jammed into a USB extension on my desk already, got it for my DualSense, XBox, and WMR controllers. The controllers paired fine after I discovered they were dead as a doornail out of the box, and have worked flawlessly with the UB500. If you don't have Bluetooth, or need something better than what you have, the UB500 is excellent. I'm also theorizing that the old, unfortunately discontinued DualShock 4 controller adapter could possibly work with better connection latency and quality, though until I get one in hand I can't confirm or deny this idea. They're scalped pretty heavily online but I did find and order one for $40, so assuming I remember this comment by then I'll share my results in a reply.
I was tempted to get the psvr2 at that price but figured that since some features were disabled I wouldn't bother. Semi regret it because it was a good price for the unit.
Hi Mike .. Absolutely stoked for the standalone Gunman contracts. Happy to hear that you are involved . Rough ballpark for release ? Mid 2025 or earlier ??
I was "forced" to use my PSVR2 headset with PC because someone stole my main pair of glasses out of my car . . . My backup pair does not fit inside my Index, at all, and the main pair did. I didn't play VR for like a year, other than GT7 on PS5 and Horizon VR until I finished it. I even forgot why I stopped playing PCVR. Then sony released the adapter. I'm really pleased with the experience. It's nearly flawless for what the basic feature set does. Inside out tracking is a little less accurate than the base stations, but it doesn't interrupt play enough to notice (often) and having the room bright helps. I'm most disappointed the didn't support foveated rendering and, to a lesser degree, HDR. My PC struggles to push the pixels needed for the PSVR2 over the Index just enough that I've had to rely on reprojection or lowered refresh rates (90 instead of 120 Hz) in a couple games. I was blown away at how well it helps the PS5 do VR (even with reprojection). I had hoped it would allow people to push their PCs even farther. The OLED screen is a huge visual upgrade, though. The downside is that its noticeably smudgy in motion, but not so much that it brings you out of the game once things are moving. But dark scenes are actually dark, which is really nice.
Insane, did not know it would work with my 2080 without the adaptor, so far it’s alright, started out kinda choppy during the setup, but Steam VR Home was alright? So let’s see
You don't need a Bluetooth dongle mate. Just connect a Wi-Fi antenna to the Bluetooth bnc connector in the back of your motherboard. You can get Bluetooth signal up to 30ft away unobstructed.
Very strange that adapter does not provide Bluetooth module and it should be all in one solution for every connection for wired and wireless. Really hope in future there will be a revised version that includes it. Also hope in future too, Sony will eventually update the software to enable all those exclusive headset features (adapt triggers, HDR, etc.) and many games will start to support them.
Not included the required cable is why my adapter sits unused. HDMI is the standard, I have tons of those lying around. Absolutely zero DP cables, and no where nearby sells them. And bluetooth should have been built into the adapter, not relying on us to find the odd one that works.
Unlike some people who overhyped and the other idiots who underhyped this headset. Your review is PERFECT....if you have a good enough PC this headset especially on sale is a no brainer...
@@michelverheijen6643what you mean bad and overhyped? check out contracters showdown and last time i checked seeing arms with hands in vr isnt exactly full body tracking.
It's pretty dope tbh, HL-A looked so amazing, it's a much better experience than I had on my Quest 2, I haven't used my Quest 3 for PCVR I have never liked the experience with PCVR and Quest. The Image even with my above average gaming PC was always grainy or washed out in bright areas and the input latency kinda sucked.
I myself am interested not in the PSVR 2 but the BigScreen Beyond. I’m here because I was curious about the new adaptor that made PSVR 2 compatible with PC. Not only is the BigScreen Beyond a MicroOLED screen with an RGB subpixel structure, it’s also lightweight and has an iOS face scanning app for when you order directly for a custom fit. I’ve seen that a lot of people don’t mention the fact PSVR 2 is a pentile screen meaning it has a 2 subpixel structure. It won’t have the same clarity as a full RGB pixel substructure. Also it being lightweight is ideal for aerial combat simulators like DCS World where keeping your head on a swivel is far less cumbersome and more comfortable than heavier headsets.
@@joogled1839I have an iPhone 14 Pro Max, so I’m already covered there. And I go with what I want regardless of cost. Although I am interested in at least trying the PSVR 2. There’s a place here that allows one to rent that stuff out. I might be able to try the PSVR 2 on the cheap. As they carried the PSVR in store, so they should have the PSVR 2
Wow, I use Q3 standalone, since I don't have a game PC or console, tried a PS5+PSVR2 combo, found it impressive in Horizon, but returned it because of usability: cable, loose sound, console etc. I am considering a gaming PC, perhaps with PSVR2 for the beautiful OLED colours. But then I saw the side-by-side pictures! Yes, the colors are nicer as expected, but the difference in sharpness is so huge, that playing anything on PSVR2 looks definitely out of the question! Why buy some high-res capable gaming PC when you are throwing it all away on the optics? All the nagging about compression due to no display port completely fades away against that. PSVR2 is out for me!
I think that overall the Quest 3 is a better purchase if you are looking to buy either up front. The PSVR2 with that adapter will cost $610 USD before tax and the Quest 3 is with 128GB of storage is $500. The Quest 3 will have all the many years of improvements and advancements in inside out tracking, passthrough mode on the cameras, and even finger tracking and also comes with the ability to play Oculus exclusives and be standalone should you ever want to travel. While there are a few pains here and there that come from running both the Oculus and SteamVR layers with the whole translation thing between them it's not the worst. For the money and overall features, I think you are better off buying a Quest 3.
I feel the odd one being fine with fresnel lesnes. I always think to myself, at least it's not G2 bad. Even though I own a Quest3 with the best lenses on the planet, I do find I don't really care about pancakes if everything else is subpar. I'm willing to deal with bad lenses for oled panels, comfort, etc.
I keep my bluetooth device plugged into the front panel USB at all times, so unless it's outdated (actually very likely. it's 4.0) then it should work fine.
I find it interesting that everyone seems to be talking about how eye tracking will somehow be added in by modders eventually, especially when until both the PSVR2 and the adapter are reverse engineered nobody knows if the eye data is even being transmitted.
The eye tracking is absoultly there. It uses Tobi eye tracking, however the games themselves need to support it too, otherwise it's useless. Which is why they probably didn't bother enabling it. Elite dangerous possibly could use it, so could VR Chat, but that's about it.
@@Xorthis and Half-Life Alyx, and tons of mods enable it, heck even if a game doesn't support it im pretty sure you can still use it for forviated rendering. This is absolutely not a Valve issue, this is 100% a sony issue considering most PSVR2 games only use eye tracking for forviated rendering.
I have a few questions regarding this adapter that I can’t seem to find answers on. 1. Can a DisplayPort to HDMI cable work if say a laptop doesn’t have a DisplayPort? 2. If a laptop were to have a USB-C display port, can I just plug the PSVR2 into that? The laptop I’m using for reference is an ASUS TUF Gaming Laptop A16.
Q3 will definitely look more sharp overall but with worse black levels regardless, (which youll adjust to anyways).... but you cant do through the lens test like that for fresnel lenses 😅 you gotta compare from the sweet spot. Some of those shots were way off the tiny sweet spot. Personally I'm always playing different platforms new and old, so Im content with the speed of PSVR2 output. I dont expect them to pump money like Meta anyways. Let meta keep the casual people more and more impressed in VR, I want the haptics and OLED... also... I already owned a ps5 before I considered a VR headset.. if playstation didnt have the resident evil stuff and me a ps5.. I likely wouldve bought my own quest 3! As long as youre having fun, thats what matters most
not sure if this was something I did wrong but whenever I played a game on the psvr2 on pc it would break the controller settings and when I went back to my index the controllers no longer worked other than that and the Bluetooth issues its a solid choice
thanks for the detailed overview. been considering this upgrade from the original vive, given that it might work better than lighthouse tracking for the small space i have. since it's inside-out tracked, presumably it has the same problems with behind the back tracking as something like the quest series? i rest my arms behind my back in vrchat a lot which has been a surprisingly major limiter in searching for an upgrade, since inside out tracking HMDs usually don't seem to have back cameras
It's nice to have an option for a PCVR helmet. I like my quest 2, but I never play it standalone because my headset is always in my room next to a PC. Wireless stream never worked for me and always had issues (but I have update issues as well simply because my country isn't in the supported list, so I have to do the updates manually), and wires would get some lag/compression time to time for next to no reason. Now I wonder if I should ditch the quest 2 and try out PSVR 2 with a PC adapter...
By far the most subjective, informative non-bias best review of the PSVR2 + PC adapter on youtube so far. Went over important details and even had a quick and proper comparison with the Quest 3. Most other reviews I've seen were way to bias one way or the other. Either it was the best headset in existent with no issues what's so ever or it was complete trash. You gave us the Pro's and Con's and a very fair assessment.
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I suspect the Bluetooth issues are mostly caused by people not realising they must have the Wifi antenna connected to their PC for Bluetooth to work properly. Range shouldn't be an issue then.
Yup most of my friend's didn't know that the antenna that came with the motherboard wasn't only for WiFi.
Yep it helped me out once I connected the antennas
I tried to use some really cheap earbuds on my pc and the kept disconnecting I plugged in the antenna and it fixes it completely
Also if you get a prebuilt I just remembered they don’t give you all of your MB ACCESSORIES 😂
💯 I learned this fact just before using the PC adapter
Anything that supports steamVR, inside out tracking and Display port, I dig it.
the display port is suck an upgrade in my opinion, i hate the meta quest usb c compression and latency
If someone could stick some pancake lenses on this then it would be the craziest bang for buck ever
Did you look at the side-by-side comparison at he end? Latency may be a thing, but compression over bad lenses any time!
@@arnovanwingerde8589 After testing this out for myself I found that the reprojection on the PS5 wasn't contributing as much to the overall clarity as I suspected. While it was nice not to see reprojection in HL Alyx, the overall blurriness that all fresnel lenses have, felt the same (from what I can tell) as say resident evil 4 and 7 on the PS5. So yeah I would say there is some truth to the psvr2 lenses not being the clearest lenses available. Also the mura effect looked exactly the same to me in HLA as it does in the resident evil games as well. Best advantage is the FOV which is an upgrade from the quest 2 in that respect. I also appreciate the colors and contrast levels. For sure they are quite bright and colorful. The advantage to increasing the resolution of the game itself is that I can see a lot farther without it blurring as much as a lower resolution headset like the Rift S.
don't own a PSVR2. however, i am happy to see that there are now more PCVR users.
I can guarantee you that literally no one is buying this.
Console owners that invest in gimmick VR like psvr2 don't have PC, and more than likely don't know how to use a gaming PC.
If they want VR that isn't on their PS, they would buy a quest 2 or 3.
@@sqlevoliciousWanna bet? lmao
@evolicious lol I'm a console owner that bought a PSVR 2 and built my own PC and I prefer the PSVR2 over Meta Quest. My Meta Quest will only be use for travel now, thanks to the PSVR2 PC Adapter.
@@sqlevolicious loud and wrong
@@sqlevolicious Are you that type of person that calls everything a gimmick?
In my case I got my PSVR2 controllers working flawlessly by using my wifi/bluetooth antenna that came with my asus motherboard which has 5.3 bluetooth.
same, the shark fin is crucial
SAME! I actually bought the bluetooth asus adapter and the one on my MB worked way better
Is it the Intel AX200 chip?
@@mrbobo86 mine is the Mediatek RZ616, working 100% flawlessly
What about for laptops?
I think the BEST TIP is..... The psvr 2 steam app has Motion smoothing on by default plus the resolution is set VERY high. Fiddling with those fixed all my issues. Im using the bluetooth thats built in to my board but i do also have the asus 500. ZERO bluetooth issues.
Great tips! Thanks for sharing mate []-)
Did the tweaks change something about the clarity?
maybe explain those tweaks in the future thanks
Not having support for the adaptive triggers or haptic is such a bummer. But hey, the PS5 DualSense controller didn't support most PC games in the beginning, but now most big games that release on both PS5 and PC have it working on PC. Hopefully the same thing happens here.
Just wait for the modders
It is up to the developers, not Sony… to make use of the massive UNIQUE capabilities of Dualsense and PSVR… all of the PSVR2 games on PS5 give the full brunt of the experience :)
It's great to see you back, Mike, and thanks for supporting my reddit post.
I've put a through the lens video on my channel.
Good work
Thank you mate. Excellent work []-)
@VirtualRealityOasis Plz fix the link with cabel and BT
VR Oasis jumpscare! Happy to see you upload a new video!
I’ve been impressed with this going from a Reverb G2. The Sony software just works.
How do you find the change in resolution?
how is the sweetspot compared to the G2?
wow the graphic is breathtaking. Thank you
The ONLY thing I was bummed about with no eye tracking, I thought we would at least have the eye calibration still! I LOVED that!
How many games support the quest pro eyetracking the last 3 years bahahaha only vrchat
@@michelverheijen6643 Calibration and tracking are two different things.
BAHAHAHA U 2 M8
@@wjveryzer7985 so you are lazzy to do it one time manualy. Atleast you don't get only 3 option like quest2 bahahaha
It doesn't have the ipd adjustment screen like on the ps5?
@@michelverheijen6643that's exactly the problem. If Sony offered eye tracking/foveated rendering on pc we'd start to see more headsets with it then devs would have a reason to incorporate those into their games.
Those through the lenses pictures don't do justice to the PSVR2 at all. It looks much shaper in the headset when correctly positioned, enough to see individual pixels, and those images also don't represent the more vivid colors, oled black and higher brightness compared to Quest 3. In fact, those images obscure the Quests flaws: color, contrast, glowing blacks, low brightness and compression (since pictures are compressed anyway, like RUclips videos).
I think its a fair representation actually. Pretty dissapointed about the lack of sharpness in PSVR2 compared to Quest3. The black levels are also not a night and day difference that i have expected since on PCVR the black areas still look more greyish compared to native PSVR2 for some reason. Compression differs from game to game. In Alyx for example, the testing of PSVR2 really highlighted how good compressed image already works on PCVR. There is a small loss of detail that is offset by the better sharpness of Quest3.
Overall i think the Quest3 wins. Still keeping the adapter for games like SkyrimVR or Asgards Wrath1 which do look shitty on streaming headsets.
@MrCamel254 Something must be incorrectly configured in those games if the blacks look grey in PSVR2. It can completely turn off individual pixels.
Thank goodness for your comment, I was seriously starting to hesitate because of those pics. Appreciate it mate
@@Isaax yeah, there are a lot of pictures on reddit, DO NOT PAY ATTENTION TO THEM. there are pictures of pcvr through lens comparisons (which you shouldnt bother with anyways) that have the quest 3 and psvr2 on pcvr at different settings each. there are just so many unflattering pictures that have edge lens warping but ONLY of the psvr2 and not of the quest 3.
@MrCamel254 Strongly Disagree. Having used vr2 for almost a year, those comparison images are significantly off. It is misleading for the video creator to pretend that the screenshots on his desktop are actually what you see in the lenses. Maybe because he has a job designing a PC VR game and Not PC?
Just connect your Bluetooth Antenna which usually comes with your Motherboard, range is awesome with it!
if you have a Alienware or a later version of intel. it comes with a really good BT. that being no antenna
Hey, you're back!
It's been really hard to decide between the Quest 3 and PSVR2 for PC. I'm glad to see your take on the latter.
Same here... Whats your pick?
@@GregoryShtevensh I'll probably stick with the Q3! But I'm still open to a different choice
I like looking at my quest 2 over the PSVR2 the resolution was nice but it’s not built as strong and it looks like you’re looking at a 4k tv through a screened fence… it’s ass
I just got a psvr2 for 400 bucks and I'm pretty much blown away by the quality for the price. With the pc adapter and the goated haptic feedback controllers I think it's the best "budget" VR system atm.
I really hope this boosts psvr2 sales to make sony care more for vr. They should have lowered the price also in europe.
It won't, i promise you. This is Sony just getting rid of remaning stock, they shut down manufacturing a while ago.
This is the typical Sony cycle. Release amazing hardware that has some unique feature, then forget about it. PSVR1 had the same problem.
its not that they dont care its that nobody else cares, its too expensive for an already expensive console with few games that make it actually worth buying
@@ibilesfighter3.16 Why do you think people would care? If they released quality games to play. They always release 2-3 then just quit.
@ibilesfighter3.16 I got mine today's for 400 plus the horizon game for my ps5 but I'll also use it on pc I think that's a nice way to use a psvr2 set
OLED or Nothing, hate the grey tints compared to my old og rift
absolutely. i tried a friend's quest 2 (i still use a quest 1, which is oled) and noticed the colours suck really badly.
yup! it’s a far superior technology. can’t wait for the pimax super Oled!
@@joogled1839it’s tragic because you could fix the quest 2’s colours super easily if we had colour and tint options but nope. Only if you use it on pc for steamvr you can do that.
Yeah, that's why I held onto my Quest Pro instead of upgrading it to Quest 3. It's just so hard to go back!
I think I hate fresnel lenses even more.
Good review, would have mentioned FOV and that psvr2 also has great AAA exclusives such as gt7, res 4, res 8, synapse, call of mountain that can be played with a ps5. That psvr2 ports of quests games usually far superior with adaptive triggers, head haptics and superior graphics.
This is definitely a good thing to consider. If you *also* have a PS5, then PS VR2 is a must-buy imo, especially for that $350 discounted price. You get the best versions of the best high-end games on both PC and PS5, so up to $500 for one headset on both PC and PS5, instead of having to pay $500 for a PS5 headset *PLUS* another $500 for a PCVR headset.
If you only game on PC and have no intention of ever getting a PS5, then a PS VR2 even at $350 might be a harder ask vs a Quest 3 for $500 + $50 for elite strap.
Only worth it for PC only if you value realistic colours over edge-to-edge clarity imo.
i mean... the review is about psvr on computer, not psvr on ps. No point in talking about those game since they can't be played on PC.
@@Zeforasthen why mention the standalone library of quest and how Sony hasn't really pushed vr game wise even though it has more exclusives in the last year and a half than quest 3 currently has. If just reviewing it as a vr headset for pc don't mention either.
@@iwantalot Oh, my apology, i didn't catch that in the reviews for some reason. I guess the heat is making me go full brainrot, kek.
@@iwantalotyou need a ps5 for those games. you get quest games when you get a quest. thats why.
I was shocked to see my notifications thanks I can't believe I can watch another video I thought it was over
Haha no. I’m not going anywhere. I’ve been busy working on my own VR projects but I’ll always be around if something important / interesting is happening []-)
@@VirtualRealityOasis we should have the vr oasis vr game (it can be the mixtures of the best part of you RUclips journey)
Mike, I'd like to hear your opinion on the Pimax Crystal Light. Please do a proper review like this one.
Great job buy the way, a pleasure to watch, as always! I hope you'll keep releasing more videos, more often than your schedule for the last few months ;)
All of my favourite VR content creators haven’t been uploading as of late, great to see you back!
Always great to hear your take on the latest VR news Mike! Cheers
Thank you mate! []-)
Quest 3 looks so much better those comparisons. Thanks for the video.
i know right thought i was tripping but its day and night betterr
I think if the foveated rendering was properly integrated it'd be fine, but that's a mighty big if.
If you have a PS5 already and want to also get into PCVR the PSVR2 is a no brainer, If you don't have a PS5 but still want to VR and maybe PCVR then the quest 3 or even a 2 is a viable choice. Also I think it's funny that the side by side comparisons were all in the HMD photos being taken really giving misinformation on the clarity of the images, also looking like a little PS editing too. I have both HMDs now and regardless of lenses the image and graphical fidelity inside the PSVR2 is still better, though not but very much. Also for PCVR not having a compressed image really makes a bigger difference than I had imagined.
I´m really strugling with my Quest 2 latency when playing PCVR games (used to Rift S and G2) (of course the modem is on the same room). How is it on Q3?
I don’t have a Quest3, but Reverb G2 lenses was way better than the PSVR2 so I think Quest3 should be even better.
@@conejeitor it's about the same, you're still using Airlink or the same USB-C compression. Virtual desktop is better but not by leaps and bounds.
@@andrelip1 IDKW everyone makes a big deal about lenses, they can only show you the quality of the display. You can have million dollar lenses but if your display is shit you just have a clear image of crap.
@@PandaGamingPodcast I blame the lenses because it looks like a dirty window. The G2 vs PSVR2 is like comparing a perfect clean glass with transparent plastic. One feels invisible and the other don’t. But PSVR have its merits like better latency, 120hz and wider fov. The ultra low latency stuff is very underrated in this headset. It have the same input lag as my 390hz monitor in HumamBenchmark. 30 lower than the Reverb… can even play high level competitive counter strike in Steam Cinema. Q3 sound terrible here.
for less money just get a Quest 3 which has a WAY better screen, tracking, and passthrough, and wireless
Does quest 3 work with ps5?
@@JoseFlores-ye4mqno
@@JoseFlores-ye4mq No, no vr headset other than the psvr 1 & 2 work with playstation.
Whoohoo TAVR mentioned! Can’t wait to try out the PSVR2. Now if only they had the PC adapter in stock in the US (as of writing this).
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PSVR2 and PC Adapter works brilliantly with my NUC 12 Enthusiast. No bluetooth issues and performance is brilliant on Audica and Half-Life Alyx.
Can somebody tell me how Sony dropped the ball and let all these get sold out everywhere from probably scalpers. Instead of just contacting all the PS users that have a PSVR2 already.
The reason Sony didnt pack a bluetooth reciever into the adapter is because a Bluetooth receiver with a high enough bandwidth to power the sense controllers wouldve essentially had to replace your pci bluetooth stack - as the Tplink dongle does. A unifying reciever (used for things like your mouse) wouldnt have cut it.
I feel this being forced on users would have actually been worse than giving users options - as inconvenient as it may be.
Isn't the "unifying receiver" a proprietary Logitech standard? Also later WMR headsets solved this issue completely by putting a bluetooth receiver in the headset, then forwarding the controller data over USB. IIRC, the controllers even came paired with the headset out of the box and all you had to do was turn them on. You do still need special headset specific software to re-pair them though, which isn't great.
This sounds like horseshit
Already have the PS5 and PSVR2 , already considered building a new PC after being absent from the PC world for years now. In terms of VR gaming on PC I guess Im already half way there.
Great Video! Some days ago i bought the psvr 2 and i wanted to use it on my PC! Good Review!
Just wanna mention that not all 2000 series RTX GPUs had virtual link connectors as a lot of third party manufacturers removed them.
I bought a 2070 specifically with a VirtualLink last year so I had to be careful what I bought online. (I use the port for my XReal Air AR glasses.)
This sounds like it could be my problem.... headset will not powerup.
Trying to figure it out with little to no clue. LOL
yeah my MSI RTX 2070 doesn’t have a VirtualLink
Awesome video Mike!! Always great to see you out here 😀. I see you are wearing the globular cluster, i have heard it eliminates the sweet spot problem. Also the reddit user pics looked to shaky to me. Is that really how it looked to you?? Like some of the images seem to ghosted to me
Globular cluster was a game changer for me for PSVR 2. I thought the images were a good representation of what it looks like. Side by side obviously PSVR 2 looks worse but of course you don’t notice it in VR []-)
Great video my guy , good to know PSVR 2 is a viable option should I choose to get the adapter but the Quest Pro will remain my PC headset
Sweet looking forward to getting the pc adapter!
Always make sure you have up to date bluetooth chip on your motherboard and a high gain antenna.
Wish they'd have left the USBc port on the back of graphics cards moving forward. It has always come in handy on my 2080 PC.
Got them both but I definitely prefer the PSVR2. The colours!!!!
glad to see you've uploaded
Thank you mate! I’m not going anywhere. Uploads just might be slower than before as I’m working on my own VR projects. I’ll always cover important / interesting stuff though []-)
5:47 If you want it to be the best shooter in VR out there, have full body character or atleast arms, alot of people don't like floating hands like me it ruins the immersion in me being someone else in VR
If you already own this headset for your ps5 and it’s your first time using PC VR, it can be a bit of a hassle to set up. I have occasional issues with connectivity but it seems to be with the steam app not the PlayStation VR app or the Bluetooth
You ARE alive! ❤
Haha yes! I’m not going anywhere. I’m just working more on my own VR projects []-)
@@VirtualRealityOasis love that! Excited to see what you got cooking.
glad someone has one i haven't been able to buy one anywhere all out of stock
The thing sold out right away. Hope it comes back in stock soon.
IVE BEEN WAITING FOR THIS
Honestly while the color and black levels might be nicer on the PSVR 2, id rather have the clarity and sharpness of the Quest 3's display (the PSVR2 also seems to have a lot of chromatic aberration)
That and like you said, the quest 3 has loads of functionality outside of being used for PCVR
Good review. Been on the fence about getting this adaptor. Think I will get it at some point.
Thankfully have had no issue connecting the controllers to my PC, and I'm lucky I have a 2080Ti to avoid having to connect the PSVR2 to the adapter.
I was really hoping that Sony would make a VR headset that works on PS5 and PC. But they didn’t.
So they released this box as a solution. It’s gonna really help out with sales.
This feels unfair. PSVR 2 users have one of the best headsets on the market right now and have access to a decently sized and fantastic selection of exclusive PS5 games and all the benefits of PC VR. Not just the exclusive games, but the modding aspect, too!
I actually can't wait till PSVR2 goes on sale again. Had i known about the PC Adapter i would've bought it on sale last month.
Been waiting for this video
The Quest 3 is better in most ways but one.. PSVR 2 does not go flat in only a couple of hours 😁 I am a Quest 2 user at the moment and it's the only thing that continues to annoy me. Even the Quest 3 still has the battery life issue. Power Banks only help so much.
...Quest 3 it is for me. This really needed to be available at launch, if it was, I would've bought it day one
I am planning on getting a psvr2 to play some ps5 psvr2 games but if I happen to have a working pc in the future I might get an adapter to play pcver games, hopefully I don't regret buying it!
How would you say you feel about now if you ended up getting it?
Awesome review!! I agree with your opinion
DAMN! THought the gunman contracts game was FURTHER!!
I dont have a pc but I do have a ps5 and I plan on procuring a vr2 later, when I get a pc it will be what I use for vr on there. So good to know.
I've been looking to upgrade from my quest2 for a while now and now I know what I'm getting on payday
ALL I can see is that Astrobot figure... WHERE DID YOU GET IT MIKE?!
I remember importing it from Japan. I love that little guy. Shame the new one isn’t getting VR support []-/
My PC's motherboard already includes Bluetooth and the antenna is integrated with the Wi-Fi antenna so it works great with my PSVR2 Sense Controllers.
You can bypass the adapter too if you use Thunderbolt 4 or 5. Just need a USB-C port that can pass video and do 90watts.
Your evaluation is correct t. You can't beat the sharpness of the quest 3 especially rally through virtual desktop.
Is virtual desktop better than steam link?
I don't have a wifi card in my computer, and I had a TP-Link UB500 USB adapter jammed into a USB extension on my desk already, got it for my DualSense, XBox, and WMR controllers. The controllers paired fine after I discovered they were dead as a doornail out of the box, and have worked flawlessly with the UB500.
If you don't have Bluetooth, or need something better than what you have, the UB500 is excellent.
I'm also theorizing that the old, unfortunately discontinued DualShock 4 controller adapter could possibly work with better connection latency and quality, though until I get one in hand I can't confirm or deny this idea. They're scalped pretty heavily online but I did find and order one for $40, so assuming I remember this comment by then I'll share my results in a reply.
Here I am having left a reply before seeing the exact solution I already had described further in the video, including the same BT stubby.
Thanks for the tip, see you next Month Bro 😅😅😅
I literally just looked for your video of this, then got the notification.
I was tempted to get the psvr2 at that price but figured that since some features were disabled I wouldn't bother. Semi regret it because it was a good price for the unit.
I have a ps5. And pc(3090). I plan to upgrade my ps5 to PRO.
Instead of buying a wheel racing sim kit i would gladly buy the vr2.
Hi Mike .. Absolutely stoked for the standalone Gunman contracts. Happy to hear that you are involved .
Rough ballpark for release ? Mid 2025 or earlier ??
We should be releasing more info on that soon mate. It’s already shaping up really nice []-)
I was "forced" to use my PSVR2 headset with PC because someone stole my main pair of glasses out of my car . . . My backup pair does not fit inside my Index, at all, and the main pair did. I didn't play VR for like a year, other than GT7 on PS5 and Horizon VR until I finished it. I even forgot why I stopped playing PCVR. Then sony released the adapter.
I'm really pleased with the experience. It's nearly flawless for what the basic feature set does. Inside out tracking is a little less accurate than the base stations, but it doesn't interrupt play enough to notice (often) and having the room bright helps. I'm most disappointed the didn't support foveated rendering and, to a lesser degree, HDR. My PC struggles to push the pixels needed for the PSVR2 over the Index just enough that I've had to rely on reprojection or lowered refresh rates (90 instead of 120 Hz) in a couple games. I was blown away at how well it helps the PS5 do VR (even with reprojection). I had hoped it would allow people to push their PCs even farther.
The OLED screen is a huge visual upgrade, though. The downside is that its noticeably smudgy in motion, but not so much that it brings you out of the game once things are moving. But dark scenes are actually dark, which is really nice.
this helped tremendously thank you
I would love a comparison between a good old headset like the HP Reverb G2 for example - just to find out if I want to upgrade at all .
Insane, did not know it would work with my 2080 without the adaptor, so far it’s alright, started out kinda choppy during the setup, but Steam VR Home was alright? So let’s see
You don't need a Bluetooth dongle mate. Just connect a Wi-Fi antenna to the Bluetooth bnc connector in the back of your motherboard.
You can get Bluetooth signal up to 30ft away unobstructed.
Very strange that adapter does not provide Bluetooth module and it should be all in one solution for every connection for wired and wireless. Really hope in future there will be a revised version that includes it.
Also hope in future too, Sony will eventually update the software to enable all those exclusive headset features (adapt triggers, HDR, etc.) and many games will start to support them.
Not included the required cable is why my adapter sits unused. HDMI is the standard, I have tons of those lying around. Absolutely zero DP cables, and no where nearby sells them.
And bluetooth should have been built into the adapter, not relying on us to find the odd one that works.
I have no trouble finding sweerspot, just have edge to edge clarity, on my psvr2.
Is it easy to use the index knuckles with this headset too? Wondering if it has good mix and match compatibility.
I am hoping deckard rumors are true as well. We need more compition in the VR space, and valve has some advantages I'd like to see :)
Unlike some people who overhyped and the other idiots who underhyped this headset. Your review is PERFECT....if you have a good enough PC this headset especially on sale is a no brainer...
Should have tried steam Subnautica on psvr2. Would love know how well runs and if it’s good.
Sold the PS VR2 , small sweet spot with the fresnel lenses make it very blurry. Q3 is the way to go here
It looks great but games that don't show a arm with the hands are not for me.
Then go play gorilla tag with a body bahahaha. If full body tracking isn't the norm a body or arms are so bad in vr at the moment. Overhyped
@@michelverheijen6643what you mean bad and overhyped? check out contracters showdown and last time i checked seeing arms with hands in vr isnt exactly full body tracking.
seriously?? half life alyx is probably the best vr game ever made.
Thanks Mike.
Cheers mate []-)
if you cant afford either of these, the PICO headsets are definitely an alternative. The PICO 4 is really good for the price it comes at
i wish i had a psvr2 so i could use it with steamvr
It's pretty dope tbh, HL-A looked so amazing, it's a much better experience than I had on my Quest 2, I haven't used my Quest 3 for PCVR I have never liked the experience with PCVR and Quest. The Image even with my above average gaming PC was always grainy or washed out in bright areas and the input latency kinda sucked.
Its pretty cheap now even the ps5 itself
The wild thing is.... if this was a comparison purely based on the through-the-lens photos..... you'd not even look twice at the PSVR2... wow
I myself am interested not in the PSVR 2 but the BigScreen Beyond. I’m here because I was curious about the new adaptor that made PSVR 2 compatible with PC. Not only is the BigScreen Beyond a MicroOLED screen with an RGB subpixel structure, it’s also lightweight and has an iOS face scanning app for when you order directly for a custom fit.
I’ve seen that a lot of people don’t mention the fact PSVR 2 is a pentile screen meaning it has a 2 subpixel structure. It won’t have the same clarity as a full RGB pixel substructure. Also it being lightweight is ideal for aerial combat simulators like DCS World where keeping your head on a swivel is far less cumbersome and more comfortable than heavier headsets.
you also need an iphone past iphone x, AND it's what, $300 USD more?
@@joogled1839I have an iPhone 14 Pro Max, so I’m already covered there. And I go with what I want regardless of cost. Although I am interested in at least trying the PSVR 2. There’s a place here that allows one to rent that stuff out. I might be able to try the PSVR 2 on the cheap. As they carried the PSVR in store, so they should have the PSVR 2
@@Kyleplier im saying its not comparable.
yeah but bsb has small fov
Wow, I use Q3 standalone, since I don't have a game PC or console, tried a PS5+PSVR2 combo, found it impressive in Horizon, but returned it because of usability: cable, loose sound, console etc. I am considering a gaming PC, perhaps with PSVR2 for the beautiful OLED colours. But then I saw the side-by-side pictures! Yes, the colors are nicer as expected, but the difference in sharpness is so huge, that playing anything on PSVR2 looks definitely out of the question! Why buy some high-res capable gaming PC when you are throwing it all away on the optics? All the nagging about compression due to no display port completely fades away against that. PSVR2 is out for me!
I think that overall the Quest 3 is a better purchase if you are looking to buy either up front.
The PSVR2 with that adapter will cost $610 USD before tax and the Quest 3 is with 128GB of storage is $500.
The Quest 3 will have all the many years of improvements and advancements in inside out tracking, passthrough mode on the cameras, and even finger tracking and also comes with the ability to play Oculus exclusives and be standalone should you ever want to travel. While there are a few pains here and there that come from running both the Oculus and SteamVR layers with the whole translation thing between them it's not the worst.
For the money and overall features, I think you are better off buying a Quest 3.
I feel the odd one being fine with fresnel lesnes. I always think to myself, at least it's not G2 bad. Even though I own a Quest3 with the best lenses on the planet, I do find I don't really care about pancakes if everything else is subpar. I'm willing to deal with bad lenses for oled panels, comfort, etc.
I keep my bluetooth device plugged into the front panel USB at all times, so unless it's outdated (actually very likely. it's 4.0) then it should work fine.
I find it interesting that everyone seems to be talking about how eye tracking will somehow be added in by modders eventually, especially when until both the PSVR2 and the adapter are reverse engineered nobody knows if the eye data is even being transmitted.
The eye tracking is absoultly there. It uses Tobi eye tracking, however the games themselves need to support it too, otherwise it's useless. Which is why they probably didn't bother enabling it. Elite dangerous possibly could use it, so could VR Chat, but that's about it.
@@Xorthis and Half-Life Alyx, and tons of mods enable it, heck even if a game doesn't support it im pretty sure you can still use it for forviated rendering. This is absolutely not a Valve issue, this is 100% a sony issue considering most PSVR2 games only use eye tracking for forviated rendering.
I have a few questions regarding this adapter that I can’t seem to find answers on.
1. Can a DisplayPort to HDMI cable work if say a laptop doesn’t have a DisplayPort?
2. If a laptop were to have a USB-C display port, can I just plug the PSVR2 into that?
The laptop I’m using for reference is an ASUS TUF Gaming Laptop A16.
Q3 will definitely look more sharp overall but with worse black levels regardless, (which youll adjust to anyways).... but you cant do through the lens test like that for fresnel lenses 😅 you gotta compare from the sweet spot. Some of those shots were way off the tiny sweet spot.
Personally I'm always playing different platforms new and old, so Im content with the speed of PSVR2 output. I dont expect them to pump money like Meta anyways.
Let meta keep the casual people more and more impressed in VR, I want the haptics and OLED... also... I already owned a ps5 before I considered a VR headset.. if playstation didnt have the resident evil stuff and me a ps5.. I likely wouldve bought my own quest 3!
As long as youre having fun, thats what matters most
not sure if this was something I did wrong but whenever I played a game on the psvr2 on pc it would break the controller settings and when I went back to my index the controllers no longer worked other than that and the Bluetooth issues its a solid choice
thanks for the detailed overview. been considering this upgrade from the original vive, given that it might work better than lighthouse tracking for the small space i have.
since it's inside-out tracked, presumably it has the same problems with behind the back tracking as something like the quest series? i rest my arms behind my back in vrchat a lot which has been a surprisingly major limiter in searching for an upgrade, since inside out tracking HMDs usually don't seem to have back cameras
im really hoping if the deckard comes out they ship to Norway. It is so difficult to get an index over here, especially for a reasonable price
It's nice to have an option for a PCVR helmet. I like my quest 2, but I never play it standalone because my headset is always in my room next to a PC. Wireless stream never worked for me and always had issues (but I have update issues as well simply because my country isn't in the supported list, so I have to do the updates manually), and wires would get some lag/compression time to time for next to no reason. Now I wonder if I should ditch the quest 2 and try out PSVR 2 with a PC adapter...
PS5 VR games coming to PC would be awesome as well.
By far the most subjective, informative non-bias best review of the PSVR2 + PC adapter on youtube so far. Went over important details and even had a quick and proper comparison with the Quest 3. Most other reviews I've seen were way to bias one way or the other. Either it was the best headset in existent with no issues what's so ever or it was complete trash. You gave us the Pro's and Con's and a very fair assessment.