The God Cards - Failed Cards and Mechanics in YuGiOh
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- Опубликовано: 30 сен 2024
- The God cards are a series of monsters which have their own specific type and attribute that were created just for them, and is used for no other cards in the game. So you would think that an archetype that was important enough to be given its own type and attribute, something that's never done for anything else, would be somewhat game changing. But at the best of times, God cards were nothing more than a niche tech option.
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It honestly feels like they were so scared of the god cards being overpowered that they couldn't stop sabotaging them.
nah man, bad god cards means they can continually publish mediocre support forever. Komoney has a monetary gain from never quite "fixing" the gods or making a new issue cus they know we will always buy DM-era stuff out of nostalgia
@@mohammedsarker5756 So your telling me that konami at that time did that on purpose? I really doubt they knew what they were doing and they really lacked the experience and foresight to balance the cards right.
@@jeremyranger4260 They are more busy making busted decks while keeping older decks weak with weak support cards.
@@queenbrightwingthe3890 It's true that they'd rather make a completely new busted archetype than trying to buff an old one. Especially since they would have to completely retrain most of them for them to become viable. There's even a few archetypes like Malefics that need a complete rework of their effects to function!
Thing is they should have been overpowered…
I love how the anime characters make fun of Kuriboh is the same way we make fun of the god cards.
Funny
Anime characters play terrible cards.
They are also notorious for defending terrible cards
*cough Yusei. Yusei Syndrome*
Kuriboh is easier to use and more useful than the Gods IMO lol
@SpaceBoy The Kuriboh archetype has also had some support that makes it into a passable link engine, which compared to the Egyptian God Cards' bad boss monster strategy is a bit more broadly workable.
Alternatively, Kuriboh Gods - put the two together like putting a piece of buttered toast on a cat and watch them spin around uselessly in the air for a while because nature isn't sure which part of the deck should be worse.
@SpaceBoy atleast kuriboh is till a working staple in duel links. But egyptian divine? Just like before, only obelisk saw competitive play.
It's a shame that the Sacred Beasts have a functioning decks but the god cards barely work. Then you get the Wicked Gods forgotten forever and ever
Then you've got the Norse Gods who not only were denied the DIVINE attribute/Divine Beast typing in the OCG/TCG but the archetype itself isn't even that bad however the actual boss monsters (you know the GODs) are what actually drags down the Nordics lol!
It's kinda a reverse of the Ice Barrier situation (Pre-modern support and erratas) but worst since nothing Nordic related was ever broken.
And the funny thing is the Sacred beasts aren't even talked about that much but they have so much support and the Wicked Gods are just sitting ducks at this point
Egyptian Gods: Used for multiple seasons by the main characters in the anime. Some support, but still bad
Nordic Monsters: Used by a recurring team and are considered to be of the strength of the E-Gods. Some support, bad boss monsters, no divinity.
Wicked Gods: Used by the main villain for an entire arc, while being consistently there, of the original manga series. Literally no support, all the monsters are bad.
Sacred Beasts: Canonically shittier version of the E-Gods. Only used by the main villain of the arc in the final duel. Stupid amount of support. Very good non-meta archetype.
Goddammit konami
I wish the Wicked Gods got its own support since I'm a big fan of Avatar. Avatar can easily be one of the most powerful boss monster in the game if it had better effect protection than the 2 turns mediocre spell/trap lockdown it currently has. Since I like how you can beat any monster who have ridiculous ATK boost effect with a funny ball who always has 100 ATK more than the others.
@@geraltmoth1908 Yubel used the Sacred Beasts as her deck when she was possessing Jessie, its where alot of the support started forming.
Actually the Sacred Beasts are probably one of the most used arc cards just because of her
Honestly the only thing Sphere mode proves is that the only way to save the god cards is completely retrain the three, with better protection, better effects, and easier summoning conditions
And probably ban Horactie in the process (not that it matters to the TCG). They become too good and easy to special summon its just an instant win condition.
@@raze2012_ Was coming to say this, people forget about that card.
Ugh, I LOATHE Sphere Mode, Lava Golem, and every other example of a “Tribute *multiple* monsters belonging to your opponent, give them a useless (at best), or actively detrimental monster in exchange,” monster. The 1-for-1 nature of Kaijus is one thing, but I’ve always felt that packaging multi-monster removal that in practice is EXTREMELY difficult to defend against provides too much card advantage to the user. If “Sphere Mode Type” cards were limited to say, Tributing monsters brought out via Normal Summoning, it wouldn’t be so bad, but a way to kill 2-3 Extra Deck monsters that may have expended as many as 7-12 additional cards to bring them out with a single card is IMHO bad design. Other single cards that can reap great advantage by you going -1 to your opponents minus-many (Lightning Storm, Reigeki, Harpy’s Feather Duster) are very often Limited for precisely this reason, and these Limited cards can STILL be either main deck defended against, or at least sided to mitigate, if they’re proving problematic. Tribute-to-eliminate monsters even provide an extremely strong advantage when the opponent plays around them. Now, I’m not saying it’s some enormous problem for the game or anything so melodramatic. Just remarking on why I think the choice to make such cards in a multi-tribute form is/was bad design, for the same reason that floodgates that don’t have a significant cost for their user is bad design. Too much advantage, for too little resource expenditure.
I feel like the God Cards still should keep Tributing 3 monsters to summon to add to they uniqueness and a nod to the anime
But everything else, they need rework.
@@gibran6190 horakty is like, the worst design of a card ever. It can only ever be either useless or broken, never just a fun card
The god cards are a perfect example of how yugioh could benefit from keywords. Effects like "immune to everything" and "can't be targetted" that take up half the textbox could've been condensed down to make room for actual effects.
I feel like Toons similarly are a good example. like 90% of the text in a toon monsters text box is archtype related mechanics, theres barely any room for a card to do much on its own.
Implying the amount of text is the issue 🤔
Honestly, I think ygo could benefit from symbols to describe generic effects like, "cant be targeted," "can't be destroyed by battle," etc.
@@angelswarz8995 didn't toon dark magician girl get text cut off specifically because there was too much text? It IS an issue
@@samuelalphabet5360 see weather painter cards, I used them knowing my enemy will not read and using that as advantage.
For the next failed mechanics. You should do the one about gen 1 ritual monsters.
id say gen 1/2 because 1 was really just used as anime boss monsters, 2 would offer more variety due to stuff like cyber angels
Yeah because all of them are just ass. The early monsters were just glorified beatsticks with no protection.
Lol. 100% hindsight for me okay? I think the first Gen 1 Ritual monsters might of seen play if they were in the Extra Deck/Fusion Deck along with the Fusion monsters and if they were given "niche meh meh" effects. All you need is the Ritual spell card. Sonic Bird, Senju and Manju all act as the Spell searcher. Each of these 3 can act as Level tribute requirement. Bare with me here okay?
Sonic Bird = Can be use as Level 4 Ritual tribute or lower.
Senju = Can be use as Level 6 Ritual tribute or lower.
Manju = Can be use as ANY Level Ritual tribute.
So about the "niche meh meh" effects...They should of came up with something like.....The classic Hungry Burger. Once per turn during your stand by phase you can special summon one Burger token on your side of the field. Dark. Warrior. Level 1. Attack 0. Defense 0. You can send the token on your side of the field during you Main Phase to increase 500+ life points. Or the classic Crab Turtle...give it Black Stego's effect and give it another bonus that it gains 500 defense during the damage step. Anyway this is all 100% hindsight and just my point of view. I think Ritual monsters might of seen play IN THE CAUSAL play if they were given effects.
Yup it was so bad Komoney over-compensated with the retrains of Dark Magician of Chaos and BLS (Invasion of Chaos) to the point of eventually putting both of them on banlist lol!
Talk about extremes.
Are you talking about hungry burger
I don’t know why all God Cards don’t have Obelisk’s targeting protection. And I guess Konami employees were asking themselves that question after the God Cards were released, given that they released that Field Spell that gives targeting and destruction protection to all God Cards.
I can _kinda_ get Slifer. That thing can get to really high ATK values, especially now with how there are some instances of people using Numeron Network to for tribute fodder on Master Duel. All that ATK on something that can't be targeted is kinda scary. Especially since it can blow up enemy cards that can't breach 2000 ATK.
No idea why they didn't give it to Ra though.
Probably like original Relinquished and Toon DMG, they don't have enough space in the box
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@@dudebladeX summon in defense and the eff of slifer doesn't trigger only monster type which suffers is links
@@regularguy4565 You can't normal summon in def mode in the actual card game. Locking out your opponent from normal summoning is a big deal when slifer came out.
I remember feeling so powerful the first time I summoned Obelisk the Tormentor 😤
Strange seeing you here 😂
Absolutely wild to me that these cards came out nearly ten years after their debut in the anime.
Wha? So the ones I got when the show aired are fake?
@@everythingponyor you got them 10 years after the anime debut, which was a few years earlier then the English version
@@RusticRonnie Nah there was special promo cards you got in theater with the Pyramid of Light movie, along with the titular card. It's how I got mine back in like 2004. IIRC they're pretty different from the 2010s versions, and were not legal at all. They had special tinted cards like in the anime too.
Ironically I did have bootlegs of em too, though that had standard monster card designs like the 2010s ones.
I mean Konami is the same company who released blue eyes shining dragon years before they released blue eyes Ultimate which was required to even summon BESD.
truly, Konami moves in, mysterious waaaaays.
werent they in the manga before that
God Cards really needed the effect "Unaffected by Card Effects"
@@atroll9996 banishing is a card effect
Basically.
Or better "Unaffected by your opponent card effects"
Honestly they really did need this exact thing, remove their summon protection and replace it with this. You would run the risk of your opponent chaining things to them but you also would still have good card protection, other cards had this exact effect that were way easier to bring out (like bw full armor master who was extremely easy to bring out and had decent effects for the time), I do not understand why they didn't do this since all but obelisk already had extreme weaknesses (ra's life point cost and slifers extreme reliance on hand count).
Man, I played agaisnt a dude that summoned the obelisk on his third turn and I had my Legendary Fisherman 3 on the field with sea stealth attack 2 and UMI, he attacked my Fisherman with his Obelisk only to trigger my Sea Stealth Attack 2 and get immediately destroyed before damage step, that me sad for that player... that should not happen lol.
I like how 1 out of the 3 god cards have target protection meanwhile stuff like apoqlifort towers and subsequent "towers" effects, being unaffected by card effects, is perfectly fine
Relinquished Anima and black luster soldier soldier of chaos would laugh at towers
@@EternalEmperorofZakuul any good Link monster can destroy Tower, but Anima can destroy more than just the monster :))
@@EternalEmperorofZakuul that's because Towers was made before Links
@@alonsoarana5307 no fucking way! Thanks fpr letting me know, captain obvious!
Euh no animal can only be effective if the monster is in the right position .
It s not a counter at all of towers
So I have a fun story involving the god cards. I was dueling my friend, who had the illegal version of the Winged Dragon of Ra his deck (we based its effects off the anime, it was around the GX era), and he had summoned it to the field. He also had a Wingweaver (2750 ATK) on the field. He used Ra’s “reduce your LP to 1” effect from the anime and was one turn from beating me. I drew my final card: it was Monster Reborn. I played it, special summoned Cosmo Queen (2900 ATK) from his graveyard and attacked Wingweaver. Since he only had 1 LP I won the duel.
Edit: You gotta read the replies, there’s a guy who thinks you can’t attack with Special Summoned monsters, but is so stubborn and keeps doubling down despite being absolutely proven wrong and it is _glorious_
Lmfao
legendary
I perfectly understand how absurd saccing life down to only 1 point is, but gosh darn it I wish it was allowed in the rules anyway lol
That is a really cool draw there
Trap card: Sun god unification was probably not in his deck lol
Despite being less iconic, the sacred beasts were give such great execution. I wish the gods got such care
I think it's because they're a lot more willing to let the Sacred Beasts be cheated out; where as they don't really want to do that with the God cards outside of the temporary revival strats everyone used in the anime. Otherwise they want us tribute summoning, and we all know why that's bad.
It's almost like, for as bad as the God cards' adaptations were, they're now suffering from being respected too much.
@@GiftOfKnowledge-np9vg Well at least with the sacred beasts, once you deal with the summoning condition, you're fine. Obelisk and Slifer die after being special summoned and Ra is one of the worst designed cards of all time.
If Ra gained the attack of his tribute materials, he would've been passable at the very least
Honestly they were so scared of the gods being too good yet they made the sacred beast 1000× more powerful thanks to all the extremely good support they got that not only allows you to summon them but easily give tons of extra effects and powerful protection.
I love the fact that Towers is a better adaptation of the God cards than the God cards themselves
its all there, 3 tributes, imune to everything {except Iinks}, and can remove things in a near unstoppable way
Yup we went from "Garnets" to "Garnets" and "Towers".
Also, since "Divine Evolution" is basically giving God cards and Wicked Gods a half of Tower's effect, it seemed that Konami is aware of how weak God cards are compared to the modern boss monsters.
@@kringe700
Now if only they were erratted to be good instead of relying on so many other cards.
@@alexanderrobins7497 Wouldn’t they need to have retains at this point? Erratas are usually only for minor changes.
It should be immune to all opponent effect that would Banish / send it to the GY.. simple as that.. If you want to be extra OP, make it immune to any effect that would move God to other location (so no switch control, no bounce to hand/deck)
so you still able to negate its effect, kaiju it, manipulate its attack but you cant simply out it with common monster removal
I know they're not very good in the grand scheme of things, but the God monsters and God support are my favorite cards in the game, I live for God card shit lol
its a shame they look so goofy xD
The competitive aspect of this game is BS trash anyways
The competitive aspect of this game is BS trash anyways
I wish they just kept the Gods broken and banned them until powercreep caught up then to be forever mediocre
You cant powercreep the original effects of the god cards due to how broken they are and how stupidly op their protections are
You really cant do anything to remove them from the field
And that includes tributes like kaijus
@@shion1595 They're all Level 10 so u can steam roll all of them with Crystal Wing and most decks needs to to normal summon at least one to bring out multiple monsters so u have a chance to stop them from ever being on the field.
They should have been OP level 12 monsters, but limited to one like in the anime or current day Exodia.
Tbh I feel like even with the God card's original OP effects, it would probably not see play since they're monsters that require a normal summon of 3 tributes. Having its OP effects but not being allowed for it to be special summoned would probably not make it competitively viable in most eras of Yu-Gi-Oh!
That sounds like such a God awful idea and you sound like a yugi-boomer that doesn't understand the game at all.
Actually, the first set of god cards was released in 2004 in a gameboy game. But they specifically say on them that they cannot be used in a duel and have flavor text instead of their effects. I have a set that my grandfather got me the day the game came out, always loved those cards.
Your grandfather had no weak cards
@@drwho9319 Except maybe for Kuriboh.
@@drwho9319 underrated comment.
You talking about the cards that had the gods main color on the back as well? Bro I had all 3 gods back then. I used to just look at them through every class in 4th grade, then my teacher confiscated them, tossed them casually in her middle desk drawer, then she returned them that Friday. Bent to all hell. Traded all 3 for a SR jinzo. Thinking about it again at 30 still gets me annoyed lolol
I remember having a fake Obelisk back in the day and my friends and I would play the anime way and rules. It was so fun.
Idk maybe they could have added a rule that made the protections they had in the anime intrinsic to the divine attribute to get around the text box limitation.
That's exactly how it worked there, too (or at least it did in the manga).
When the god cards were introduced, a hierarchy in the mythological background of the card game was revealed which had Ra at the top, Obelisk and Slifer right below him, and everything else below them.
This hierarchy manifested as rulings in the game, which declared that they all were affected by most card effects only for a single turn, after which they would return to their previous state (imagine destroying them with Raigeki but they just come back during the End Phase; or that Monster Reborn only revives them for a single turn).
I'm not sure whether Obelisk and Slifer had this immunity towards each other but Ra was unaffected by either (he couldn't be destroyed by Obelisk's effect, nor could Slifer reduce his stats).
Yu-Gi-Oh seems pretty averse to anything resembling keywords, instead trying to fit all the rules on individual cards rather than having info in a rulebook that can be accessed when there is a question about what things do and clearly explain potential interactions. Card types seem to be the only thing where they explicitly avoid writing all the rules for how they function on the card, likely because everything has a card type and repeating stuff like how to tribute summon or how chains work on a large portion of cards is just too much.
Additionally, attribute changing does exist, so they would have to further clarify that only cards with Divine as their original attribute get those protections.
@@connorhamilton5707 What about FLIP monsters?
@@connorhamilton5707 yugioh has already keywords. Target means a very specific thing, and people's brains melt just trying to comprehend that a card that doesn't say "target" doesn't target. Or "destroy" means "destroy", and cards that don't say "destroy" don't destroy, and you won't believe how people don't even get something as simple as that. Keywords would just make people have to learn even more random shit when they fail to read very specific effect text telling them very plainly what a card does.
@@youtube-kit9450 I never said Yu-Gi-Oh didn't have keywords, I said it was averse to keywords. Pierce is an example of a keyword where they still don't treat it like a keyword, choosing to still spell out most of how it functions.
I think the god cards could become more viable if they got some extra deck cards that auto-equip themselves from the extra deck to a specific god card when it is summoned. This would allow the god cards to get an indirect buff, and would allow Konami to continually keep them up to date as the game's power level increases.
This is actually so smart
Couldn't they just re-release them with (kind of) their manga-effects?
I actually wouldn't mind them being static, i. e. they will probably fall out of favour eventually because that's just how it is.
@@xCorvus7x As the Duel Logs stated, part of the issue is a lack of space for card text. Even in their current iteration, their effects already fill out most of the effect box (especially slifer).
Also, erratas are kind of weird since they pretty much invalidate any previous investment into getting the cards, which I think is why konami so rarely does it.
@@SamuiNoBaka They didn't seem to care about investments with CED.
They _could_ turn the immunities of the god cards into rules for cards with those original names (that's how it was in the manga), or make another monster category like FLIP.
These immunities happen to cover most of the effects TheDuelLogs has alluded to: being affected by card effects only for a single turn also extends to Monster Reborn and the like, so the only thing left to be printed on the cards themselves would be their actual effects (and maybe also the requirement of three tributes, if one insists on not including that in the ruling).
Then the only problem is Ra, but the different effects are divided up between his different forms.
The regular one only had ways to gain stats: once from the monsters tributed for it, another time by converting your life points (which was independent from the Normal Summon and not just an optional when effect!).
Sniping monsters is what the Phoenix did, but that's screwed up by the Phoenix's summoning restriction; in the manga, Ra could go into Phoenix mode at will. A possible realisation is that by tributing Ra you could special summon the Phoenix from your hand, deck, or graveyard (maybe also the banish zone, to hammer home that this is a truly divine beast); the Phoenix mode could just be entirely unaffected by card effects as it is and have the targeting (?) destruction (?) with the LP cost (maybe unable to attack, though, since this is just a special form assumed for a different purpose); it would also tag out into sphere mode during the End phase.
Would this still be too long?
While we're at it: Slifer's floodgate should also affect monsters summoned in Defence position.
@@SamuiNoBaka unless your necrovalley
I'm a 32 year old man and haven't played yugioh since middle school(not counting a brief attempt at duel links before realizing how much the game changed) and yet I can't help but watch these videos lol
I can tell you one thing. The game changed into something completely knew and if you are willing to try big combos then enjoy.
Just came back to the game for the first time since like 2005 and i can tell u its alot more fun than it used to be. Yea its alot of reading and memorization but pulling off long turn 1 combos is so much more satisfying than old school yugioh plays
@@iwanttoputkamuistoesinmymo5938 I get that, but I honestly liked the simple yugioh cause I read the Manga first. I miss the days when dropping a level 5 vanilla monster on your first turn was a big play lol
@@iwanttoputkamuistoesinmymo5938 I'm I'm the same situation as OP. I can understand what they are going for with the latest iteration of ygo and the mechanics of it but I'm still confused about a lot of this stuff and feel like synchro/xyz summons I can follow along with just fine but pendulum and link monsters are just so over the top
master duel is free and it's so easy to build the deck you want
The Winged Dragon of Ra is just a glorified Bakugan
If I had a buck every time I heard that joke, I'd be richer than Kaiba.
@@leonrobinson8180 But is it true tho. We have the Ball Form, the Battle Form, and his Evolution. He is just a Pyrus Pheonixoid
Makes sense for an Egyptian god since Moses parted the Red Sea with L-Drago.
Man, as an anime fan, it hurts seeing cards like Z-Arc and the Aesir as regular type and attribute monsters instead of Divine attribute (and divine-beast in the case of the Aesir).
I swear Konami should just Errata the cards so that they are unaffected by your opponents card effects and can't be tributed. They need real freaking protection goddamnit.
Maybe make it "Unaffected by other card effects and cannot be tributed, except by the effect of a Divine-Beast Monster", since the god cards seem to be subject to each others' effects (except for Ra when Marik/the plot demanded it would be unaffected).
@@Combaticon pls don't give it the tribute effect, i want to tribute my obelisk to summon my blue eyes
@@otakotako2601 True, I forgot that Kaiba summoned BEWD with Obelisk. How do you suppose the God Cards can be made to be "unKaiju/Nibiru/Lava Golem-able" or even Share the Pain?
@@Combaticon some kind of effect that makes them only tributeable in your turn should be good enough
@@Combaticon "Unaffected by other card effects" would also render them unable to use some of their own support cards unfortunately. "Can't be Tributed by your opponent or affected by your opponent's card effects, except the effects of DIVINE-Attribute monsters" is crazy broad protection but is what you're looking for, roughly speaking.
Maybe one day they can either errata the God Cards, or just have a ruling that all Divine-Beasts are immune to opponent card effects and nonbattle destruction.
Can only be destroy by another Divine Beast.
Otherwise, if all had battle immunity they are mad broken, especially Ra, Ra can easily pass 10k ATK with Ancient Chant and Ra's Disciple.
Yeah plus that opens up a big can of worms with cards that can change attributes like Golden Homunculus, True King of All Calamities, and it really puts the whole game on it's head if someone were to activate DNA Transplant. If you cleared your opponent's board beforehand then DNA Transplant could almost be an auto-win.
@@Quasartist I mean, the rules could just say "whose original attribute or type is X and Y" and avoid 99% of any issue relating to that master rule change.
Though admittedly, Konami doesn't actually seem to care about Divine Beasts, at all, just because they keep creating the same hoops for them to jump through on all their support with no real connectivity between the support for them.
@@redace4821 Why even bother with the exception though? I mean if you're including immunity to everything else, that's already way more than they had in the anime or manga (Especially the anime, where they were affected by all kinds of stuff).
So at that point you're clearly not going for accuracy, but competitive viability; which if nothing else means there's no reason not to save on ink.
@@nm2358 I think it's more that Konami can't design good cards.
The winged dragon of ra sphere mode is pretty much Kaiju Level 3.
Which is funny, because if the gods ever got good, they'd be crushed to death underneath turtles.
@@aprinnyonbreak1290 hey, don't forget mothra
@@lionofthebluevale7170
Do people actually use any other Kaiju besides the turtle?
I know you'd NEVER willingly give the turtle to your opponent if you were actually playing a Kaiju deck like a madman, but isolated, it's the weakest, right?
@@aprinnyonbreak1290 Certain Kaijus are preferred in certain Decks due to that Deck being able to search that Kaiju (Dogoran in Dinos, Jizukiru in Cyber Dragons, etc.)
@@autobotstarscream765
AH right, I'm a dum dum, that makes sense.
The True Name is probably the most anime-moment card in the game, even if you can kinda manipulate the effect with Card Advance.
Convulsion of Nature is even better
And perfectly fittingly, the Dark Magician archteype can help set it up with Dark Magic Circle, Illusion of Chaos, and Soul Servant.
Personally I think if slifer was able to at least bomb defense position monsters too, he is totally worth making a deck around even without the immunities, will pretty much shut down like 90% of combo decks as long as he is on field
Also slifer's effect doesn't affect monster that already has 0 atk. So they wouldn't be destroyed by it. 😂
I beat a slifer deck with shaddolls once 😂
Why the gods failed:
-Lacks a proper archetype made to summon them easier
-Searching is either too specific or too unconventional
- No real self protection except for Obelisk. and requires the used of additional cards for protection.
- Their effects are all kinda awful except for Slifer.and requires used of additional cards in order to be decent.
@@marraytaleus6598 Mainly this. Searching wasn't a problem. But they simply didn't do anything that another card didn't do better for less cost. The lack of protection on a three sacrifice monster that isn't viable to "cheat out" as being special summoned kills it at the end of the turn is already a dealbreaker itself. But then even if you do their effects really aren't all that great.
Archetypes didn't even exist back then. That all started with GX and the cyber dragon nonsense
The main reason the God Cards failed is lack of protection
Besides Obelisk, the fact Devine beasts can be taken down by any puny monster effect is so Cringe and frankly, stupid
@@DaveGreanexceot the EGC came out during 5Da
I wish all the god cards had built in protections. Makes no sense to only give it to Obelisk
"An ultimate falcon on legs"
'On legs' means it's a monster version of a non monster card, like how Tribe-Infecting Virus is a Raigeki on legs. Ultimate Falcon already has legs!
In his defense, Ultimate Falcon technically has no actual legs in his artwork, just big wings. So technically...
I never understood why Konami never reworked these cards outright
You basically have to play a whole deck around the God Cards for them to be even playable
Meanwhile in the anime, the God Cards were a one-off addition to a unique deck. Takes all the fun out of using them when you have to play them in a very specific way.
Imagine having a trap card called
Torment!!!!
Where you tribute every monster that isn't Obelisk the Tormentor and pay half your LP: this turn, negate the effects of every card and activated card effects on the field and change all monster cards to attack position,and if you do, you can only attack with Obelisk the Tormentor this turn. If you have Slifer the executive producer and the winged dragon of ra in your graveyard, this cards activation and effects cannot be chained to.
Well they are gods. If you don’t build the entire deck around them, they will probably just refuse to serve you anyways :)
@@EternalEmperorofZakuul I would add : "Card/s who's original name is " Obelisk The Tormentor" are unaffected by your opponent's Card Effects and can make an additional attack up to the number of monsters tributed , but cannot attack your opponent directly;until the end of this Turn"
Paying half your LP and every other monster on your field is a hefty cost for just a field wide Solemn Judgement, especially since its a Trap; meaning you have to set it on your turn, protect both it AND Obelisk from getting blown up on your opponent's turn and then activate it on your turn, hoping you can get at least 1 more monster on the field so you can swing more than once.
This effect would actually turn it into a potential board clearing strategy if not an outright OTK
PS:
Fixed some grammatical errors
@@filipvadas7602 fair
Mound Of The Bound is probably at its best in a Yubel deck since it keeps base Yubel from killing itself with its own effect
Certain cards that Konami made indirectly are suppose to work on others if you’re knowledge of the backstory from the anime.
This is a simple way to fix them, just give them low level monsters to help summon them, maybe give them a fusion monster just for the hell of it
It did wonders for the sacred beasts after all
Ra's disciples and the instant win card that summon from the 3 god cards....
@@lightdragoon88 but one normal summonable monster that still needs a second turn to be tributed aren’t enough to increase their power, of the gods, they need search tools, better tribute engines, stuff like that, the god deck should have added in stuff similar to the sacred beast deck
@@lightdragoon88 you can always ban that Creator of Light card...
They TECHNICALLY have a fusion monster, Hectia, the Creator of Light, which instantly wins you the duel. But it's incredibly hard to bring out and you need all 3 gods on the field and the card in your hand at the same time.
The funniest thing about Ra.
In Tag Force games up to 3. It also had one more of its anime effects where it gains attack equal to the combined attack of the monsters you tributed.
This was removed in Tag Force 4 and on as the real card was already printed by that point.
I have no idea why they removed that effect as it wouldn't make Ra anymore relevant.
Because Konami is a dumb company. Wish yugioh was owned by a different company
Yeah i definitely remember that!
Hah meanwhile the Konami Ra's effect is so bad that it might was well be tribute 3 monster lose the game.
@@SheanWalsh46 Don't know about that 😅
Not just Tag Force. Just bc you only played TF when you were young and dumb does not mean ur qualified to make lacklustre trivia like this
- Gets Ra-Sphere mode on the field.
- Activates effect to transform and bring out actual Ra.
Ash Blossom: “No…”
just have CBTG or Crossout in hand bruh
Puny god
Funny story. When I first saw the English printing effect for Ra I thought that Konami must have made a big typo or something as the card had “?” Atk and def and no way to determine the original value. I also thought there was no way they would intentionally make it this bad and that they would errata it.
These cards failed the moment they were given real effects
Weird how I can say "why would you play the God cards instead of the Sacred Beasts" and it's barely arguable
so considering she wasnt mentioned, lady gaga is very powerful?
What I don't understand is how Konami can make OP generic cards, but didn't wanna make the EG broken. Makes no sense. All they had to do was make them unaffected by card effects and unable to be destroyed by battle.
Proposed errata: Add "This monster is unaffected by and cannot be used a cost for the effects of other cards, except Divine Beast-type monsters" to all of the 3 God cards
This card is uneffected by card effects and can only be tributed to summon divine beasts types.
@@egggge4752 I don't agree with its second effect as in the anime it has been shown that the God cards can be tributed. Kaiba tributed Obelisk to summon Blue Eyes
add: this card cannot be removed of field by any action of your oponent and it is unaffected by effects cards except egiptian god cards.
@@jokerofmorocco maybe add: cannot be tributed except for normal monsters
Unaffected by card effects, and cannot be tributed by your opponent should do.
You kind of "missed" the Pyramid of Light, which in the movie has the express effect of deleting the Gods. Although, in the actual game they made it delete other 2 random cards. Back when I played YuGiOh with my friends we always used the anime effects for the gods and the pyramid, it made duels more fun than the actual rules lol.
In the actual game, it's needed to summon Andro Sphinx and Sphinx Teleia and these cards are destroyed if Pyramid of Light is. Theinen the Great Sphinx also requires Andro and Teleia to be destroyed together, so technically Pyramid of Light is needed for it too.
@@AzureRoxe people meme about the god cards but this "pyramid sphinx" archetype the guy in the movie had is so hilariously bad xD
Full power Ra would be something like:
“Requires 3 tributes to normal summon. This card’s normal summon cannot be negated. When normal summoned, other cards and effects cannot be activated. Neither player can target this card with card effects. This card’s original ATK and DEF are equal to the combined ATK and combined DEF of the monsters used for its tribute summon. During your main phase: you can pay LP in multiples of 100; this card gains ATK equal to the LP paid until the end of the turn, also during the end phase, gain LP equal to the LP paid. You can pay 1000 LP; this card is unaffected by other cards’ effects until the end of the turn, also send 1 other monster on the field to the GY. During the end phase: If this card left the field this turn because of another card, and is now in the GY or hand, or banished face-up; special summon this card. During the end phase: If this card was special summoned by another card’s effect; send it to the GY. During the end phase, if this card was on the field at the start of the End phase: you can destroy all face-up cards your opponent controls that activated their effects on the field this turn.”
Big chunky text box there, lol.
I would cut out some words:
“…This card’s summon cannot be negated. Unaffected and cannot be targeted by non-DEVINE cards or cards listing DEVINE cards. You can pay LP in multiples of 100 so this cards gains an equal amount of ATK/DEF. You can pay 1000LP to send one card on the field to the GY…”
Not sure the purpose of the revival effect is since I forgot most of what it did in the anime.
Make the "pay 1000 lp" effect a quick effect too
The Winged Dragon of Ra
Level 10/DIVINE/Divine-Beast/ATK????/DEF????
This card cannot be Set. This card can only be Tribute Summoned by Tributing 3 monsters. The Normal Summon of this card cannot be negated. When this card is Normal Summoned, Spells, Traps and other monsters' effects cannot be activated. While this card is on the field. The Summon of this card cannot be negated. Control of this card cannot switch and it is unaffected by the effects of Spell Cards, Trap Cards, and other monsters. Your opponent cannot tribute this card. When this card is Special Summon from the Graveyard, it is sent to the Graveyard during the End Phase. If this card is Special Summoned; Destroy all card(s) your opponents controls. This card can always attack during the turn it is Summoned. This card's ATK and DEF are equal to the combined ATK and DEF of the monsters Tributed to Summon it, respectively. You may pay 1000 Life Points to destroy all monsters your opponent controls. When this card is Special Summon you can use these effects:
●You can Tribute monsters in order to increase this card's ATK by the Tributed monsters' ATK. You can pay any amount of Life Points in order to increase this card's ATK by the amount of Life Points paid. This card can attack Directly. If you use this effect, you can send one "De-Fusion" in your hand or under your control to the Graveyard in order to reduce this card's ATK to 0 and increase your Life Points by this card's prior ATK also negated the attack.
●During either player's turn, you can pay 1000 Life Points, immediately transform "The Winged Dragon of Ra" into its Phoenix Mode. Until the end of the turn this effect is activated, the ATK and DEF of this card are reduced to 0 (the ATK and DEF of this card return to their respective values prior to this effect's use) and it gains the following effects: ● This card cannot be destroyed by battle, and you take no Battle Damage from battles involving this card. ● This card cannot be targeted and is unaffected by the effects of other monsters, Spells, and Traps. The effect of "The Winged Dragon of Ra" only affects this card for one turn... The full effect of anime Ra.... It would have to be a special card to fit all of this.
But you don't really need to adapt everything and can simplify or remove a lot of clunky effects (like can't do anything on summon effect, which is completely worthless), while still maintaining the idea of the card.
Requires 3 tributes to Normal Summon (cannot be Normal Set). Gains ATK and DEF equal to combined original ATK and DEF respectively of monsters uses for it's tribute summon. Cannot be destroyed by card effects. Unaffected by monster effects, expect for monsters with equal or higher level. This Special Summoned from the GY card also gains these effects:
• When summoned: You can pay any amount of LP in multiples of 100; this card gains that much ATK and DEF.
• (Quick Effect): You can pay 1000 LP; send 1 card on the field to the GY.
• During the End Phase: gain LP equal to this card's current ATK, then send this card to the GY.
Konami easily could've done something like that or even better.
Don't forget reciting the passage in Egyptian or else you are struck down.
Usually I love cards based off of episodes, but Magical Trick Mirror is like everything I hate about such cards. Overcomplicates the anime effect, adds in the overused banish effect, and ties into a completely unrelated card, because they were in the same episode once, even though it was used in 3 episodes without Obelisk even being mentioned. Plus, that "All monsters must attack" effect would've been real useful in like, 2005.
Wicked Gods really missed out by being stuck in the manga, nostalgia support is a hell of a drug.
Wicked Gods were changed from DIVINE Divine-Beasts in the manga to DARK Fiends in the game, probably so they'd accrue support organically when DARK and Fiend get support.
How to fix Slifer? Literally just print a trap with the anime effect of Card of Sanctity and that also summons it from the GY twice.
The only time I consistently played a god card (except sphere mode if that counts) was obelisk to beat dragon rulers when they were at their best. Hardened armed obelisk is very inconsistent but was almost insurmountable in a time where non targeting non destruction or kaiju like removal was very rare
A fellow man of culture x3 I loved playing Hardened Obelisk back in the day. Kinda sucked it wasn't consistent, as I juggled between using cards like Exodius, Barbaros, T.G monsters, and cards like Battle Fader and Jester Confit to try to Turbo out Obelisk as fast as possible.
Didn’t drragon rulers never get tier 0?
@@butlershurk7227 yeah. Due to the existence of Spellbooks and the occasional anti-Meta Evilswarms, Dragon Rulers was never tier 0.
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Stop saying "Spell speed 4" that's not what that is
Right? It bothers me more than it should.
The funniest thing for me in this entire video:
Why on earth is Blaze Cannon a Blaze Accelerator card.
Is Konami trying to manifest Winged Dragon of Ra Volcanics?
The Japanese name of Accelerator is "Blaze Cannon", whilst TCG Blaze Cannon is "God Blaze Cannon" in the OCG. Like a reverse "except Frog the Jam" scenario.
@@SSBBPOKEFAN Oh, I know that, but it's kinda funny lol.
It's like how they had to errata that Valkyrie card in the Nordic archetype after Valkyries became a thing.
Oh, shit, Vehicroid and Blaze Accelerator turbo featuring Dark Jeroid and Blaze Cannon as tech options deck wen?
It didn't "fail" cuz it was never really intended to be "meta." It turned out exactly the way they wanted it to.
true
Exactly the cards were more USEFUL in their respective anime episodes then in the real card game itself.
You forgot to talk about how Blaze Cannon is always treated as a Blaze Accelerator card for some weird reason, giving it an overlap with Volcanics.
That's because it has 「ブレイズ・キャノン」(Blaze Cannon) in its Japanese name, but it is unrelated to the other "Blaze Accelerator" cards and "Volcanic" monsters.
That one is cuz of naming convention in Japanese, where Blaze Cannon is also the name for the Blaze Accelerator cards
I once made a casual deck that revolved around Ra. I combined it with the Danger! archetype since it's a good draw fodder and the goal was to get ancient chant asap so I could summon Ra with the help of the Egyptian God Slime. The 3K inherited from the slime, plus what I payed from my own LP was usually enough to kill whatever my opponent had on the field and deplete their LPs. It was extremely hard to pull off, even against other casual decks, but when I did, it was extremely satisfying.
I think part of the reason why they are so hard to summon is to sort of stick with the anime, since they are one of the most iconic cards from the show. The whole idea of them in the show is that they are incredibly hard to bring out because they are these giant boss cards but once you do bring back them out you have basically won the duel unless you either have some serious cheese or another god card to your name. It makes them sort of terrifying in a way because your opponent does bring out on the field even if you have one of those answers if you don't have them in your hand or whatever you have to draw them soon or you will just lose and if you don't have them at all it's basically an auto-lose. So I think they were trying to capture that same sort of feeling but the cards themselves clearly aren't good enough once they hit the field to give off that same kind of power.
I've been playing a lot of slimes + Slifer in Master Duel. It's a lot of fun, but man do I wish Slifer had better protection than needing Mound of the Bound on the field. I need to get some Ojama or Joker's Knight cards to try those out with Slifer
I love obelisk, I used it all the time in my resonator deck in duel links before they changed the skill rip
Would you ever do a "failed cards and mechanics" episode on flip monsters? As a krawler player, I think it would be fun
Is there a viable flip deck that actually used the flip effect? Other than Subterrors.
man-eater bug is one of the iconic classic cards. shaddoll, subterror, krawlers are all modern decks that utilize flip monsters. Its as far removed from a "failed" mechanic as it could be
@@ich3730 shaddoll cares about their gy effects and winda/construct, not the flip effects themselves
Still, explaining the mechanic and its evolution over the years would be interesting
Flip effects aren't a failed mechanic, a lot of flip effects were used all the time for a long time. The issue is they got power crept out which is not the same as the mechanic failing, it was a heavily used mechanic for many years. Where as at least imo a failed mechanic is one that was basically never used cuz of how bad it was, like the level monsters or something.
The introduction of sacred beasts didn't help matters either, I mean those aren't meta either but they were significantly more useful and functioned and looked similar lol.
as a fan of Yu-gi-oh! im glad now that almost every card type has support in the game;it makes me happy that i lived through a time when cards didnt have support at all and now pretty much all of them do and i still like too play Yu-gi-oh! every so often
The god cards are solely made in mind for the anime and not to be played competitively
The God Cards are indicative of a time in Yugioh where it wasn't just competitive solitaire. Cards like this don't function in a game like modern Yugioh.
@@newfaces_v2 I haven't played comp since 2007, and I'm pretty sure that your definition of 'midrange' is hardly the same kind of pace that the game used to have.
There's a good reason it's harder than ever to bring new people into the complexity of Modern Yugioh lol
@@shuttlecrossing1433 gods would be even more trash in the old game, and Obelisk was released in 2009 after all. Even two tributes were never relevant in competitive besides one time where LADD took off and there were decks that could somewhat reliably summon two tribute fodders at once. They couldn't bring out three though, so it would not be worth it in the slightest.
@@nicolaistuhlmuller8718 they were bad then and are even worse today
@@shuttlecrossing1433 They need to just reboot the original series and simplify the game.
my biggest problem with the god cards is their support i feel like they should have made it for all the god cards not just specific ones
Yeah, but that'd tale away their individual flavor. The God cards aren't like the Sacred Beasts who were always used together; they all had separate users who all played them differently, not to mention some very distinct effects.
Plus, they to tend to get common support if it's for something they all had in common; like Mound granting protection or Ultimate Divine-Beast using a God card revival strategy that was so common in the anime.
They need more main deck monsters that would help look for them and get them onto the field. Like making Atem and Grandpa actual cards.
Can you do something like "monsters with effects that has no actual effect"
Like "Harpie Lady" sisters for example
Egyptian gods/wicked gods/sacred beasts/nordic gods and maybe earthbound immortal ?
Top 10 Noob Traps, card that appear to be good but are actually terrible. Every game has quite a few of these.
Also other things I would love to see top 10 genericly useful cards in any deck by rarity, normal, rare, secret rare, ultra rare. Love your videos they have given me so many deck ideas and and helped me improve my existing decks in masterduel!
I still don't understand why you HAVE to pay all your LPs for Ra's effect. It is clearly NOT worded that way at all and sounds like an errata. But a really shitty one. The word CAN suggests it's an option, not required. I don't know how Konami made such an awful and shitty ruling because that is clearly not the original intention of the card due to it's other effects. There are a lot of bad cards but there is no way they would Ra that bad. To where you have to spend all your LPs and you can only use his other effects if you fucking heal. IT'S SO STUPID!
You know, back when I lived in Cuba I had a duel where I won with the creator of light!
I was playing with a friend and we both had the god cards, I summoned (during the previous turn) Slifer, controlled Ra with change of hearts and used monster reborn to bring out obelisk; I then summoned The Creator Of Light and won the duel!
Keep in mind this was during 2019 in Cuba, we didn’t have access to a lot of cards, so we were still having pretty long and slow duels.
Definitely best ending to a duel I had seen up to that point.
Imagine if new God Cards were released.
I wish they were better. Its one of the few archetypes where I'm like "go ahead and make it OP konami". Like, lore wise these are supposed to be the best cards in the game. They dont need to take it THAT far, but I wouldn't mind retrains or erratas to add back in some of their anime effects.
Wow its crazy to think an archetype with only 5 monsters that all cost 3 summons with watered down effects and no synergy wouldn't see serious play. Color me surprised.
For all the restrictions they gave soul crossing, they could've at least made it non-respondable.
what wasn’t mentioned about ThunderSpeed Summoning, was that it can also search sphere mode, making a good disruption during your opponent’s turn.
of course if you have the 3 knights, which is easy do with joker wild
I'm still kind of annoyed Slifer got it's name changed from one that fit the Egyptian theme (Sky Dragon of Osiris) to what it is since someone at 4kids thought it would be hilarious to name it after the co-producer, and Konami just rolled with it.
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I've read somewhere that the god cards were purposefully weakened because XYZ monsters were about to make their debut and, apparently, Konami didn't want the limelight to be on the god cards.
Honestly, what the God cards really need are retrains. You can give them all the ridiculous support in the world, but at the end of the day you’re dedicating your whole deck into summoning monsters that are mediocre at best.
This is also bypass the Creator God problem. just don't treat them as the same name, and add effects like, if you don't control another original god cards you can special summon the original god card of that retrain!
I remember playing Yu-Gi-Oh on the DS and summoning Ra. I got Ra up to 11,000 Atk. I thought it was Invincible only for my opponent to use Magic Cylinder on me
they can easily errata them to have the anime effects, i mean its 3 trubutes you deserve to have an op card
Tell that to Insect Queen. You have to Tribute 2 monster in order to summon it, then in order to attack with Insect Queen you need to Tribute a monster. What an awful card. And when it does destroy a monster, it leaves a token with 0 attack and defence in attack position. So your opponent is free to demolish it.
I wonder why they chose slimes as support for the god cards
Thunderspeed Summon also works with Sphere Mode, and since it's a quickplay spell you can use it on your opponents turn to tribute 3 of their monsters. It's very fun when you can pull it off.
That's kinda awesome, I'm actually considering doing that now 🤌
Slifer is too underrated it literally pops any monster normal summoned as your opponent won’t play a level four or lower monster with over 2k atk and with jokers wild plus thunder speed you can get out two which plus mound of the bound is a surprisingly op combo insta killing most cards summond and if a monster survives the drop just die on you turn as it doesn’t end after the turn like it does in the anime. Plus the recycle on the joker cards keeps slifer at a good atk power plus piercing the darkness means your hand size never goes down.
"I put a win more card in my deck, but now I'm winning less?"
Honestly, outside of their built-in protection, I don't really think that they were really that significantly nerfed from their anime counterparts. Outside of some fringe irrelevant effects (like "you can use De-Fusion on Ra to gain LP"), Obelisk's only missing effect is the option for infinite attack (which would be something like its tribute effect having an "or" effect that makes it so that if it deals battle damage then you win the duel), Osiris' only missing effect is that the anime version also hit DEF position, and Ra's only missing effect is gaining ATK equal to its tribute materials.
So Obelisk could be used for a VERY slow and telegraphed OTK, Ra would be a bigger beatstick, and Osiris would be... Well, yeah, Osiris would simply be nuts.
Slifer is missing his effect to name you Frog the Jam.
The original TCG Winged Dragon of Ra is almost as badly designed as the original Malefic cards, but at least the Malefics only needed a single card to regain their potential factor from their original source
Technically there are 6 cards with the Divine Attribute because of Horakhty I think. She is part of the God Card archetype even tho she's really bad.
Its own effect isn't bad, it's good actually, if you managed to get 3 egyptian god cards on the field and have it in your hand, you won the duel.
Its usefulness is tied to the other god cards hitting the field easier, which if they do gets to the field easier, Horakhty is guaranteed to turn God engine into exodia-like Solitaire.
@@CrnaStrela
Ye.
She's, tragically, the reason the main problem with the gods can't ever be fixed. If you can start reliably pooping them out turn 1, then it's just better Exodia.
I think it's OCG only
Yes Holactie (its TCG name) is the 6th Divine attribute monster and it’s type is Creator God as it’s the only monster of that type. In the OCG Konami made only 10,000 copies of the card So unless Konami decides to do a reprint of the card where it would go into mass distribution then that is the only way we can expect to eventually see it in the TCG plus it’s the only missing piece of the god card archetype that’s missing in the TCG.
@@aprinnyonbreak1290 Then they should just ban Horakthy, or change her effect so that all 3 God cards need to be on the field for at least 3 turns before she can be summoned.
I think they watched your video cause they gave both slifer and obelisk a card that summons them and ra has a new spell that dumps immortal phoenix in the grave which fixes the deck :D
:)
I feel like they could have made the aesier gods divine since you know... THEY ARE LITTERAL GODS?!
13:45 Soul Energy Max says during the Main or Battle Phase so you can use it turn 1 with Foolish Burial Goods
Duellogs: The only 5 DIVINE attribute monsters in the game.
Holactie the Creator of Light: Am I a joke to you ?
Not in the TCG. Only OCG also unplayable.
@@NiceBoyAdam Its just a joke dude haha. Plus it exists so it's still a Divine card nonetheless
@@stardustjessie in that case so does exodia.
When you tribute summon Ra In Yu-Gi-Oh nightmare troubadour, it gained the attack points of its sacrifices which made alot of sense. Why didn't Konami gave Ra this effect in the TCG? smh
As a fan of the Anime, despite Konami being incompetent with the God cards, I still bought the cards I wanted for my "Egyptian Gods" deck.
I once dueled someone in duel links who used Ra & after they reduced their life points to 100 I just so happened to draw poison of the old man to beat them, which just shows that the major downside of Ra is your own hubris.
"Not enough text on the card"
*looks at newer bosses and pendelums*
So that was a fucking lie
Hilarious how OP these were considered to be when Chaos Emperor Dragon existed. I felt their limitations when I onlined dueled against a legal Obelisk...and had my Dimension Wall trap card redirect its battle damage.
nobody ever thought these cards were overpowered. especially not with CED existing xD
0:24 Isn't "Holactie the Creator of Light" also DIVINE-attribute?
One would think that the original Ra would become a Side Deck option just as a counter to Sphere Mode. "Oh, you tributes all my monsters to put Sphere Mode on my field. Meet Ra. Who now has an attack power of 4000."
A 4k beatstick who bricks doesnt do much favors for the duelist using it aside from being Link Material at best
if sphere mode was more used it could be viable since Ra has otk potential, but there are too many kaiju-like monsters in the meta
You would think right? but at 4000 attack beat-stick with no form of self protection with an under power effect as pay 1000 to destroy 1 card isn't worth it. especially since it can brick you if you draw it.
The Egyptian God Cards can easily be fixed by adding an additional effect: “Cannot be targeted by your opponent’s card effects.” Suddenly they’re decent. Not meta, but useable. High cost with zero sustainability makes a garbage card.
Honestly, the God Cards aren’t failures. Not good but definitely not failures.
At least they have support to be playable and somewhat good effects (don't even mention the anime versions) unlike their GX and 5ds counterparts. Or even worst. Ritual monsters.
@@fredyramirez3035 the fact that 5Ds "Nordic Gods" got a place in only 11 'Legacy of the Worthless' episodes from Rata is a monumental testament of how bad they are. Even for that era.
This Egyptian God cards is bad in hindsight now, but back then, in their era, they are legit boss monsters. They dont deserve to be compared with their 'Nordic' counterpart.