I know that some of these effects aren't EXACTLY what's in the anime, but the effects weren't consistent in the show, either, and this is my interpretation of them as best I can :)
I figure if theres any confusion its the shows fault. Cuz half the time when ppl think they remember something that isnt in the actual show its cuz it was only in whatever dub they watched.
The thing they need to make to balance this cards is a field spell that has the effect that: All Divine Beast Monsters are unaffected by card effects..... and As long as a divine beast monster is in the field this field spell cannot be targeted and it needs to be destroyed twice..... then the moment this card is sent to the graveyard destroy 1 card on the field.....
What would your personal ranking be of these cards if they had their anime effects? I feel like that's an important part of this video that was left out.
Yeah a closest you can get while still being somewhat consistent is fair it’s kinda like the show death battle some comics shows etc are gonna contradict eachother so they get the closest approximation same here.
@originalindigodingo I don't know how much of it literally phonetically translates, but there is a nonzero number of Egyptologists who have been able to read Hieroglyphics ever since we cracked the translation on the Rosetta Stone
I always wished that they'd just retrain the god cards to have them have effects more in-line with their anime versions, but with the amount of spell and trap cards they've made that are meant to "give" them their anime effects that seems like a pipe dream at this point, tho maybe someday.
No kidding! They give us everything BUT extra deck retrains with better effects and I have zero clue as to why. All I can think of is that they want them to suck to keep them cheap for casual players.
Honestly, it wouldn’t even be that crazy anymore. The only real problem I could see is Slifer. If he kept his floodgate shenanigans on top of being un effected I think he could become a Rongo level problem.
They tried to print the Egyptian god cards as they existed in the anime but the artists all died in mysterious circumstances so they released the knock offs instead
Fun fact: In the game Yugioh World Championship 2007 (might also have been 2008) you could download Marik's duel ghost, which posessed The Winged Dragon of Ra. That Ra actually did have the tribute effect.
It also could be special summoned and cannot be targeted by cards effects. When Konami OCG made Ra they literally insulted those old video games Ra, Osiris and Obelisk. Dude reasoning gate turbo could put them in the field fast and win in one turn. Empty jar turbo. Dimension fusion otk decks. Monarchs, lightsworms, destiny heroes turbo, zombie reborn. Why realize handicap cards. This is my mean thing have against Konami. Nightmare troubadour, tag force 2-4 and wct 2007-2008 had better gods. Dude don't use the printed gods and I do play gods for fun. I use those mentioned video games effects and guest what they can win duels way easier than the ones we got. Just like why change Brain control effect OCG when they take change of heart off the banlist at two smh
Winged Dragon of RA's effect of if you play a token that's named Winged Dragon of RA, both players will be struck by lightning. First player to regain consciousness wins the match, if neither player can awaken after 10 minutes, duel is a draw.
They need, easier way to bring them to your hand, a stronger field speel and actual support to summon them easier with a monster that can multiply. That's what their missing. And at least non targeting effects and undestroyable too. To make them more viable in modern Yugioh.
Legit they could probably print most of these effects now as retrained versions like "Egyptian god: Obelisk The Tormentor" so it would still work the support cards. I think the problem would be how do they top the original art? Those pictures are so iconic to the series.
They could make their artwork look like the designs on the tablet Pegasus found when he first discovered the Egyptian Gods, a carved sandstone look with a few Egyptian hieroglyphics.
"So in the anime only chosen duelists are allowed to even play these cards, you're supposed to have a link to the distant past. And obviously this would be difficult and maybe impossible to translate to the actual cards" the way i started cracking up thank you mr. zeeff
@Dzeeff I noticed a couple of other youtubers I subbed too had to reupload today as well. This a RUclips issue or just an odd coincidence? Just curious.
I remember one detail about Obelisk's Raigeki-like eff in the anime that made it insanely dangerous, and they even stayed by consistent with it by showing it's effect semi-competitively in Dark Side of Dimensions. In the show and movie, it didn't just blow away all of your opponent's monsters, it "inflicts" 4000 points of battle damage onto all monsters your opponent controlled, while also destroying them in battle, and THEN inflicted 4000 additional life points of effect(?) damage to your opponent. It's basically a more convoluted way of saying that Obelisk attacks and instantly destroys everything on the opponent's board after damage calculation, while also being invincible in battle, and also preventing you from taking battle damage. Add on to the fact that this is a Quick Effect, and that has to be one of the most busted field clearing effects/OTK enablers I've ever seen on a card.
What the effect was stated to do, in the manga the anime doesn't actually bother expositing it iirc, is that obelisk destroys all opponents monsters by card effect and if there are any left he goes up to infinite attack and attacks all remaining monsters, no combat damage is dealt and obelisk is immune to battle destruction during those battles, finally if your opponent then doesn't control any monsters he inflicts 4k effect damage to your opponent. Also if applicable his attack then resets to what it was. Considering that the anime had a 4k starting life total, the effect is just a complicated way to write: sac 2 monsters to win the game.
That first one about it inflicting 4000 battle damage for each monster destroyed was added in for DSOD because it upped the LP total from 4000 to 8000. Obelisk originally only had the part where it inflicts 4000 damage after all monsters are destroyed because that was all it needed for it to be an insta win.
I didn't watch dsod so I didn't know about the changes, funny enough both still name a finite number so I would still like to see someone who just survives it because of some life gain spell.
You know, when I saw a video about egyptian gods in my notification I thought it was April first already and you would try to convince us they are good 😅
I remember being really surprised when people where saying how bad the Egyptian Gods were when I started duel links. They were crazy in the anime, right. I didn't know they had printed weak knockoffs. Pretty much like they did in the anime too lol, when they tried to make bootleg RA
they are also weak in the anime if the characters would use top tier decks. Its jsut that the draws are obviously scripted to make the main monsters shine more.
@@jetzaga6820Granted, they were incredibly good by the standards then, since in the anime, two of them could not be targeted or destroyed (which was basically all removal effects back then), and Ra was outright unaffected by everything
@@jetzaga6820 Not really with divine higherarchy, nothing non divine could affect Osiris and obelisk and these two could affect ra, because he had tier divine higherarchy. Even by modern standards a card that is unaffected by literally everything is strong
Tbh they probably still wouldn't have seen play as 3 tributes is alot of resources and there protection is pretty inconsistent people would have found a way to get rid of them
It doesn't deal the lp damage. I remember yami summoning all 3 god cards sacrificing ra and slifer to destroy all 3 of kaiba's blue eyes then attacking directly for game with infinity attack for game.
I don’t remember if it does 4K burn or if it just counted as an attack. I feel like my brain is remembering it as, “Raigeki the board and then attack directly all at once”
In the paper game, it would probably read - on the turn this monster is normal or special summoned, the battle phase cannot be skipped (any resolved effect that caused the battle phase to be skipped previously is negated), and this monster’s attack cannot be negated.
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@@MetaKaiosIt would just read, “(quick effect) You can have this card attack your opponents monsters or force your opponent into battle position, forcing them all to attack” or your opponent effect damage between this card and a targeted cards difference in attack, and then is sent to the graveyard, the monster can only be selected once.
for those who want it summed up. all 3 are unaffected by monster effects, except divine beast monster effects. unaffected by spell and traps that have them leave the field. controller of the card cannot be switched, opponent cannot tribute them. if they are special summoned from graveyard or banished, they go back to graveyard on end phase. from hand they stay obelisk can tribute two other monsters to either destroy all monsters on the field and 4k damage to the opponent, or gain infinite attack for one turn. slifer is pretty similar to real life, except monsters summoned in defense mode lose 2k defense and will be destroyed if zero. also zero attack monsters will be destroyed on summon. ra has the maju garzette ability in it's effect. but when special summoned from the grave it has the following it is unaffected by card effects, an you take no damage involving your opponents attacks on this card. you can pay all but 1 life point to add to it's attack, you can also tribute other monsters on the field to add it's attack and defense to ra's stats respectively, ra can attack all monsters, once each, and the opponent directly. pay 1000 life points to destroy one monster on the field, ignoring all other card effects. that's pretty much the core of them
@@playmaker7871 the anime effects spells and traps can affect them. examples such as yugi's ground erosion negating and weakening obelisk the tormentor, and atem's magic cylinder potentially winning targeting slifers attack.
I always thought it was funny that people argued you couldn't kaiju the God cards considering they tribute and Kaiba literally tributes Obelisk. It literally happens in the anime and people have their heads so far up their own ***** that they ignore it and call them invincible to everything.
Well that isn't the case the way you think of it you can tribute it if it's your card BUT your opponent cannot effect the gods with card effects that make them leave the field
@mitsunekolucky671 When the Pharaoh activated soul taker ( in anime sacrifices a monster on opponent's field), it was stated that wouldn't work on Ra. Kaiba sacrificed his God without an effect.
@@theheronexus1199Sure, that's effect tributing. Kaiju tributing isn't an effect either, alongside Lava Golem and Santa Claws. There's also Share the Pain (non-effect tributing), Monarch's Stormforth (not an effect), Evenly Matched (player decision face down remove from play).
Also in the anime if you special someone one of the Egyptian god cards during your opponents attack phase. They become a shield that even protects other monsters from effects. Kaiba revives obelisk and saves his monsters against yugi. Yugi summons slifer to die and protect all his other monsters from Ra’s Phoenix ability. Marik used Ra as a shield to protect Juragedo and his life points from Slifer’s attack.
Among the anime/manga God cards (egyptian, wicked god, sacred beast, aesir), Avatar is the strongest by always having highest atk on the field, the immunity to effects, and the high rank in god's hierarchy (same with Ra), while Osiris, Obelisk, Dreadroot, and Eraser are in the same rank below Avatar/Ra, those 4 needs Divine Evolution (ygo R manga) to have the same rank with Avatar/Ra if they want to affecting them with their effect, like cutting down Avatar/Ra's ATK with Osiris/Dreadroot, or destroys them with Obelisk/Eraser And yes, for ppl who doesn't watch the show/read the manga, Sacred Beast and Aesir didn't have the hierarchy system
Eh ther avatar almost got destroyed by obelisk even without the divine evolution. Because infinity+1 is still equal to infinity. The guy llwho control avatar literally stop the infinite attack in fear of avatar getting destroyed.
2 months late, I'm fairly sure that if Atem played ra at best the fight would reveal that RA is still one step ahead of avatar in the god hierarchy because f you it’s ra, therefore not being affected by avatar (like for example avatar can't copy ra attack and having no immunities against him), or at worst phenix mode will just burn avatar anyway. I understand that it didn't use ra because it was too strong for the manga and would have removed any issue, but it would have been nice that it was ra that killed avatar and he reserved it as a trump card.
@@itachiaurion3198 that's not how avatar works lol. Regardless what Ra summoned as it will still able to copy Ra's stat. Phoenix mode will be able to clear avatar but ra won't be able to attack as it need to be special summoned to go into that mode so that means the attack is 0 and it will be gone in the end phase.
@@ramaroy2408 We are talking about monsters where the effect where made up on the fly to fit the narrative of the book, if marik was going against avatar I wouldn't have been surprised to seen such thing because he seem to add effect as required to kill atem.
@@itachiaurion3198 what effects? We already see all Ra effects before Marik face atem lol. Other than the hierarchy there is nothing new about Ra when atem face Marik. Yes they are written for the plot progression but the Ra atem face is already shown all it's effects.
Anime Gods don't have absolute Towers immunity. The protection they have is in 2 parts. They cannot be removed from the field by card effects and any other effect only lasts to the end of the turn. Immunity to removal means no popping, banishing, spinning, bouncing, sending, tributing, etc. This does raise the question of cards like Book of Moon or Fiendish Chain. If those do work, then it means that the Gods would lose their protection by being set/negated. It was said in the anime that Brain Control would not work on a God card so I'd argue no booking or negating is allowed either. Other effects lasting to the end of the turn does mean the Gods can be stalled or you can try to scratch them down before battling them, as was done a few times in the anime. It was also why Monster Reborn only lasted till the endphase. While the Gods are immune, their effects & attacks can be negated. Slifer's lightning bolts was deflected or negated a few times and Obelisk's attack was also negated by Kuriboh of all things. You can also probably find weird exceptions to the rule of some random episode to when the Gods weren't immune to effects.
One explicit example of them not being immune is in the Ishizu duel how Blast Held by a Tribute would work on Obelisk, but by the anime's logic it's that the actual target was Zolga and that the effect being from "inside" Obelisk might work? There's also, like, the card that beats Ra and banishes it with the implication being it would stay banished (Marik loses on the same turn so we don't know if Ra would return but by most info it seems that was likely) being a normal Spell and not an Egyptian God card.
Oh yeah I totally forgot their protection didn't stop attack negations or attack modifications. They only had protection from being removed from their owner's side of the field. A Book of Moon turns them into any other effectless facedown, ironically the one situation where TCG Obelisk is better than its anime version.
@@Zetact_ I think Ishizu's case was a case of "inheritence" making it an effect which as apart Obelisk, as a continuous effect. The only thing I can think of with Yugi's Ragnorak card is they wanted a cool set piece to end the battle with so were like "f4ck it, just make him use all his Monsters." Basically a deus ex machina.
@@Zetact_ The Ra example is really just a case of the anime trying to be more dramatic than the source material. In the manga, Yugi uses a spell card that adds Dark Magician Girl's ATK to Dark Magician, and he manages to just overpower Ra's current ATK with that. The anime decided to do it with a made up on the spot spell card that let Yugi attack with his whole deck or something.
From the wiki: Increase its ATK to ∞ as well as attack any number of monsters the player chooses, regardless of whose turn it is. After it has attacked, the ATK of "Obelisk" returns to its original value.
Hi Dzeeff. Obelisk's anime "Raigeki" effect actually inflicts 4000 damage to all monsters (destroying any monster with an attack/defence of 4000 or less) and then inflicts 4000 Burn damage to the opponent.
Here's my take on "retraining" the God cards to give them more of their anime effects/protection, while still keeping them somewhat realistic: Retrained Osiris: (This card's name is always treated as "Slifer the Sky Dragon".) Requires 3 Tributes to Normal Summon (cannot be Normal Set). This card's Summon cannot be negated. When Summoned, cards and effects cannot be activated. Your opponent cannot Tribute this face-up card on the field, and it is unaffected by your opponent's Spell/Trap effects and by activated effects from any monster, except for those whose original Level/Rank is equal to or higher than this card's current Level. Once per turn, during the End Phase, if this card was Special Summoned: Send it to the GY. Gains 1000 ATK/DEF for each card in your hand. If a monster(s) is Summoned to your opponent's field, that monster(s) looses 2000 ATK or DEF respective to its position, then if its ATK or DEF has been reduced to 0 as a result, or if its respective ATK or DEF was already 0, destroy it. Retrained Obelisk: (This card's name is always treated as "Obelisk the Tormentor".) Requires 3 Tributes to Normal Summon (cannot be Normal Set). This card's Summon cannot be negated. When Summoned, cards and effects cannot be activated. Your opponent cannot Tribute this face-up card on the field, and it is unaffected by your opponent's Spell/Trap effects and by activated effects from any monster, except for those whose original Level/Rank is equal to or higher than this card's current Level. Once per turn, during the End Phase, if this card was Special Summoned: Send it to the GY. Once per turn, you can Tribute 2 other monsters; destroy all monsters your opponent controls with ATK less than this card's and inflict 4000 damage to your opponent. You cannot conduct your Battle Phase the turn you activate this effect, also for the rest of the turn after this effect resolves, your opponent takes no damage. Retrained Ra: (This card's name is always treated as "The Winged Dragon of Ra".) Requires 3 Tributes to Normal Summon (cannot be Normal Set). This card's Summon cannot be negated. When Summoned, cards and effects cannot be activated. Your opponent cannot Tribute this face-up card on the field, and it is unaffected by your opponent's Spell/Trap effects and by activated effects from any monster, except for those whose original Level/Rank is higher than this card's current Level. This card's ATK/DEF become the combined ATK/DEF of the monsters Tributed for its Summon. You can pay any amount of LP in increments of 100; this card gains ATK/DEF equal to the amount of LP paid. When Special Summoned this card gains these effects: •Unaffected by other cards' effects and cannot be destroyed by battle, you take no battle damage from battles involving this card, also once per turn, during the End Phase: Send it to the GY. •(Quick Effect) Once per turn you can pay 1000 LP to send all monsters your opponent controls to the GY (cards and effects cannot be activated in response to this effect's activation).
Perfect mate. Except i would keep the lifepoint effect on Ra only in special summon mode (and the life would be given back when it leaves) and i wouldnt add the reduction of slifer to Def position monsters, cause it feels oppresive to some decks. Would also propably keep the Ra pay 1000 to destroy 1 monster, not all, but im not like a balancing genius, so it may be too weak.
I just ordered all the God support cards today cause watching them in the show like Marik using Winged Dragon Of Ra is so awesome. So I'm very excited to watch this video.
Honestly, if Slifer just had proper support for consistency it would be a really good rogue strategy. Even without protection, assuming you have no backrow or anything at all, the floodgate is strong enough to stop anything that needs a normal summon or relies on link 1/2. I like playing Arcana Knight + Slifer on Master Duel and when I get that turn 1 slifer it immediately bricks the opponent.
Yeah, there could be more universal support cards that are also hard to remove while the God cards are in play, kinda like Mound of the Bound Creator but better. These would help give the Gods their anime/manga effects. Can have like Continuous cards that each have effects for all 3 Gods so that you don't just draw one, but you don't have the correct God for it. Example: Well of the Divine Source, Continuous Spell, Effect: Uneffected by card effects while you control a DIVINE monster. While you control any of these monsters, apply these effects in addition to their effects. Slifer - Monsters your opponent controls summoned in defense position lose 2000 DEF, then if their DEF is reduced to 0, destroy it. Obelisk - This card can declare an attack the same turn it tributes monsters as a cost for its effect. This card can inflict piercing damage. Ra - When this card is Normal Summoned, this card gains ATK/DEF equal to the original ATK/DEF of monsters tributed for its summon. If "Ancient Chant" was banished from your GY this turn, increase your LP equal the original ATK/DEF of monsters tributed for this card's Tribute Summon. Would definitely, need more reliable card searching and/or drawing ability like Fallen Paradise or something were you reveal a God card and then draw 1 (or 2) card(s). Can only use it once per god, but all of Ra's forms count as 1 Ra so that it can't be spammed with just Ra. So yes draw 3 (to 6) cards max per turn with it if possible.
The best version of any of the god cards is probably from the video game "Reshef of Destruction", Ra's phoenix mode. It's got the following effects: Once per duel, if this card is send to the graveyard, special summon it as The Winged Dragon of Ra (Battle Mode) Unaffected by your opponents card effects except for those that only modify attack and defense. Cannot be targeted by your Opponent. Effects or their activations cannot be negated. You can pay 1000 Life Points to destroy your Opponents monsters, regardless of whether they can be destroyed by card effects or not. You cannot attack with this card the turn this effect is activated. Which in itself doesn't seem too op, until you read Battle Mode: Unaffected by your opponents card effects except for those that only modify attack and defense. Cannot be targeted by your Opponent. Effects or their activations cannot be negated. You can pay all but 1 life point, deal damage to your opponent equal to the life points paid. You cannot attack with this card the turn this effect is activated. Literally any life point advantage is an instant win, with a card that can be summoned upon being discarded.
I love that it has targeting protection on a card unaffected by most card effects. They’re like, “oh no no no, targeted attack/defense reduction is too powerful, we need to protect this card from those effects”
@@harrya9458There actually is a card that actually has both unaffected + untargetable protection in the game. It’s called “venomminaga the deity of poisonous snakes.”
@@harrya9458 Yeah, the effects in Reshef are a bit wonky and I reconstructed them from what they do rather than what they say they do, e.g. the protection effects aren't even listed, they just exist. (E.g. Final Destiny (destroys all cards on the field and in both players hands) will just not work on god cards in hand or on the field. The only things stopping god cards are Amazon Archers (If a card attacks, lower its status by 1 level (500 ATK/DEF) and negate the attack and Swords of Revealing Light (Your opponent cannot declare an attack for 3 turns). Although Umi can bring down Ra's attack to 2800... Targeting doesn't really exist either, since all targeting effects just always target the highest attack/defense card unless it's a god card. So I tried to translate it a bit into the TCG-format. Printed, the effects would be: "A creature that can wipe out all enemy monsters at 1000LP cost. It can be returned from the graveyard in the Battle Mode." (Phoenix) "A dragon that has the power to cut its LP to 1 and hit the opponent with the LP amount that it has lost." (Battle)
Sacred Cards would be close. Ra's effect from Nightmare troubadour or tagforce 2 or 3 better effect than the tcg. But I wonder how further it would be with its support cards
I think what we need are new versions of the gods cards. And extra deck support effects cards. Something like: when x happens, show this card from your extra deck and do effect y. Otherwise there will be too much text per card. Other old cards can also benefit from this. Be it this normal dragon or this normal magician. As for the worthy players, conditions could be on the monster card.
I assume this is what you needed the anime card artworks for, always find these types of videos interesting, with the god cards easily being my favourite cards. I imagine one day we could easily see new retrains for them, but would they make them superior instead of just alternative is the question.
1:43 This is actually what magic does. Wotc has a heroes of the realm system where every year a few top performing employees get to design a card that only they will ever have. And there's a mostly serious edh ruling that you can play them, but only if your name is printed at the bottom. Because then it's actually your copy.
Winged Dragon of Ra is also treated as a fusion monster (which then makes him susceptible to the battle city rules, meaning he's unable to attack the turn he's summoned, like all normal fusions) and can be targeted by de-fusion, and then in addition to returning him to the hand, you recover all LP you paid for his normal summon effect (don't remember the exact wording of the effect, but thats the gist of it), which in the TCG it's referenced in a continuous trap card that supports him. Don't know how much better or worse it would make Ra, but I think its the funniest Egyptian God card anime effect, just by being a weird and unique concept.
One solution to the text problem is just do what MTG does and make it so The Divine attribute is treated like a keyword ability, this way Monsters whose original attribute is divine gain effects that don't have to be printed on the card and more non-protection effects can be put on cards.
I feel like they could do that egyptian god Link monster thing, for one specific reason: They've kind of already made the concept work with the Link-1 Infernoble Charles. It has an absurdly specific material requirement, gains the effects of the original, and even equips it to fuel an effect. Konami could ABSOLUTELY do the same thing for the God cards, and guess what; the Ra link monster could equip all 3 modes of the winged dragon of Ra.
The second I saw the title I immediately thought of that one scene from the show where Kaiba is amazed that the cards have so many effects that many of them are not even on the card itself.
This was my attempt at making accurate God effects as custom cards. Slifer Requires 3 Tributes to Normal Summon (cannot be Set). This card is also treated as a Dragon-Type. Can only be affected by Divine-Beast monster effects. Cannot be affected by Trap effects. Can only be affected by other card effects for the turn they were activated (including effects that have already resolved). Gains 1000 ATK/DEF for each card in your hand. When your opponent Summons a monster(s): Reduce the ATK or DEF of each Summoned monster(s) by 2000 relative to the position the monster(s) are Summoned; then if a monster's ATK or DEF is reduced to 0 as a result; destroy it (this effect is also treated as an attack). Obelisk Requires 3 Tributes to Normal Summon (cannot be Set). This card is also treated as a Warrior-Type. Can only be affected by Divine-Beast monster effects. Cannot be affected by Trap effects. Can only be affected by other card effects for the turn they were activated (including effects that have already resolved). During Your Battle Phase: You can Tribute 2 face-up monsters you control; destroy all monster(s) your opponent controls, then inflict 4000 damage to your opponent (This effect is also treated as an attack). Ra Requires 3 Tributes to Normal Summon (cannot be Set). This card is also treated as a Machine-Type. Cannot be targeted for attack by other Divine-Beast monsters. Cannot be affected by other monster or Trap effects. Can only be affected by other card effects for the turn they were activated (including effects that have already resolved). If this card is Normal Summoned: this card's original ATK/DEF becomes the combined original ATK/DEF of the tributed monsters. (Quick Effect) Tribute any number of face-up monster(s) you control: increase this card's ATK/DEF by the combined ATK/DEF of the tributed monster(s). If this card is Special Summoned from the GY by the effect of “Monster Reborn”: You can pay LP until you 1 left; gains ATK/DEF equal to the amount paid and this card can attack each monster(s) your opponent controls once. (Quick Effect) Pay 1000 LP: until the End Phase this card cannot be destroyed by battle or card effect and destroy 1 monster your opponent controls (this effect is also treated as an attack).
Friend and I were talking about the gods, and we thought a ritual retrain of the gods could be a way to make them better. Keeps in line with their theme of needing sacrifices, and would open up a bunch of support to make them more searchable. I don't think most people would be upset if egyptian gods went from a casual deck to a rogue deck!
They should make new versions with 0.2 size font and every single ability from the manga and anime. Reading Ra's text box should take so long that it feels like you are sacrificing some of your own life to it.
For Ra, I only wanted its ATK/DEF to be equal to the monsters tributed to summon the card. It's mindblowing to me how The Winged Dragon of Ra has been done dirty in the TCG, as are its brothers, but Ra was the one that suffered the most.
Personally, I think they should errata them, Obelisk to be fair is fine as it is but could use some buff at the raigeki being a quick effect. Slifer I would honestly add a destruction effect protecion. While Ra make it untargetable and undestructible, that could be a reference to their hierarchy, as for Ra's actual effects its tricky due they being already in other cards, but I would at least remove the SS restriction so you can pay LP with any summon and a quick effect to tribute itself to regain those LP , probably some sort of restriction would be needed otherwise it can dodge the few removals ir could affect him
In terms of errataing the cards we have now, just give them the effect of "Unaffected by other cards' effects that do not mention [insert Egyptian God card's name] while face-up on the field". And for Ra specifically, give it the same Special Summoning restriction as the other two. On a separate note, wonder how things would look for the Egyptian Gods if they were printed with a modified version of their early video game effects/stats instead of trying to replicate the anime effects on a single card (talking like The Sacred Cards early). By default, all three of the God Cards had 4000 Atk and Def and were unaffected by other card effects. As for their individual effects, VG!Obelisk's effect is a Raigeki that also burned for 4000; VG!Slifer no longer has its floodgate effect, but gained 1500 Atk/Def for each card in your hand instead of 1000; VG!Ra's effect is paying all but 1 LP, then burning your opponent for the amount of LP paid.
The hierarchy was never an anime effect, it was only really a thing in Yugioh R manga. The lack of the unnecessary hierarchy mechanic in the anime is used in multiple scenes INCLUDING the final duel of the series. If you really wanted that effect then easy, "Unaffected by the effects of all monsters, except DIVINE monsters whose level is greater than or equal to this card's current level" and then just make Ra a higher level. Obelisk's infinite ATK I would just make it, "If this card battles a monster, increase this monster's ATK by the ATK/DEF of the attack target, during damage calculation only. This turn, if this monster inflicts battle damage to your opponent, you win the duel." It's easier to mechanically realize than making it have infinite ATK, just saying it will always win in battle and if it successfully deals damage it deals infinite damage by making you win.
It was in the manga though. In the anime, Marik played a spell that made Ra unaffected by Obelisk's infinite attack, but the manga just had Ra do that inherently.
@@marchmelloow The point being that it opens up a boatload of potential plotholes, wouldn't even make much sense to include and it isn't an anime effect and the anime actually cleans up some of those plotholes. Divine hierarchy opens up complications any time the god cards interact not only with outside cards but also with each other and outside of R it only really impacts ONE interaction that the anime could find a solution for anyway. For instance in the Ceremonial Battle Obelisk is affected by a card that directly targets a monster in the manga while the anime changed it to being a card that is implied to effect the zone Obelisk was occupying instead.
Actually, I'm not convinced the god cards have towers like protection against backrow, but just protection from being removed from your side of the field. In the final duel didn't one of them have its attack negated? If my interpretation is correct, that means Obelisk's attack would be defeated by a Scrap Iron Scarecrow.
The higherarchy is also on the original manga The anime duels aren't always similar to the manga duels , they have similar plot beats but not similar events , the anime creates a few plot holes that way
@@ahmadazem4167 If anything I think that the anime clears out a few plot holes by redoing the duels, especially since Takahashi didn't have the ability to map the game onto an official rule set. Top of my head being Buster Blader being able to attack a god card not working at all if you assume divine hierarchy is a mechanic, which is kind of a major part of the duel.
So, I think I more or less understand the effects of the God cards, so I will try to interpet them one by one Obelisk the Tormentor Requires 3 Tributes to Normal Summon (cannot be Normal Set). This card's Normal or Special Summon cannot be negated. When Normal Summoned, cards and effects cannot be activated. During the End Phase, if this card was Special Summoned: Send it to the GY. Cannot be targeted or destroyed by your opponent's card effects. Once per turn: You can Tribute 2 other monsters you control; destroy all monsters your opponent controls, then, if your opponent controls no monsters, inflict 4000 damage to your opponent. For the rest of this turn after resolving this effect, at the beginning of the Damage Step, when it attacks a monster: Your opponent must send that monster to the GY
Slifer the Sky Dragon Requires 3 Tributes to Normal Summon (cannot be Normal Set). This card's Normal or Special Summon cannot be negated. When Normal Summoned, cards and effects cannot be activated. During the End Phase, if this card was Special Summoned: Send it to the GY. Cannot be targeted or destroyed by your opponent's card effects. This card gains 1000 ATK for each card in your hand. When your opponent Summons a monster: Activate 1 of these effects, depending on its battle position: ● Attack Position: That monster loses 2000 ATK. If it becomes 0, destroy it ● Defense Position: That monster loses 2000 DEF. If it becomes 0, destroy it
The Winged Dragon of Ra Cannot be Special Summoned from the hand. Requires 3 Tributes to Normal Summon (cannot be Normal Set). This card's Normal or Special Summon cannot be negated. When Normal or Special Summoned, other cards and effects cannot be activated. During the End Phase, if this card was Special Summoned: Send it to the GY. Unaffected by your opponent's card effects. If this card was Special Summoned from the GY: You can pay 1000 LP; send 1 monster your opponent controls to the GY. Neither player can activate cards or effects in response to this effect's activation. You can pay LP so that you only have 1 left; this card gains LP equal to the amount of LP paid. You can Tribute monsters you control that have not declared an attack this turn; this card gains ATK equal to the Tributed monsters' ATK on the field. If this card is targeted by a card effect: You can make this card's ATK 0, and if you do, gain LP equal to the ATK lost by this effect
I remember a few months ago trying to brainstorm more Face-Card support to try and better support the Egyptian Gods, since I felt that it was the most competent version of the deck. The main thing I'd like is a Hardened Armed Dragon style card to give the Gods protection. Here's what I came up with. Queen's Squire Link 1 LIGHT/Warrior/Effect 1 "Jack's Knight", "King's Knight", or "Queen's Knight" (This cards name is treated as "Queen's Knight" while on the field) If this card is link summoned, you cannot special summon from the extra deck for the rest of this turn, except LIGHT Warrior monsters. While you control this card, you can normal summon 1 "Jack's Knight", "King's Knight", or "Queen's Knight" in addition to your normal summon/set. You can only use this effect of "Queen's Squire" once per turn. A level 10 monster that is tribute summoned using this card as tribute is unaffected by your opponents cards and effects until your next turn. Arcana Divine Joker Link 3 LIGHT/Warrior/Effect 3 Warriors with different names, including a normal monster This card and monsters this card points too are unaffected by cards and effects that do not target. When a card or effect is activated that targets this face-up card on the field or a monster this card points to (Quick Effect): You can discard 1 card of the same type (Monster, Spell, or Trap); negate the activation. If this card is destroyed by battle, you can special summon 3 LIGHT warriors with different names from your graveyard, except Arcana Divine Joker. You can only use each effect of "Arcana Divine Joker" once per turn.
One thing that would be cool, and a way to maybe give some effects, would be to have more small monsters, like they do with the baby dragon rulers or the squires for monarchs, that are based around the gods. I know some archetypes have monsters where if you tribute them for another in that archetype, it gains an extra effect. Having more monsters than ra's disciple, that actually help out the god cards instead of just providing tribute fodder, would be a great way to help out the gods, and maybe bring new life to the archetype. I personally would love like a few mini "sky dragons" that help slifer out, maybe help draw if you tribute them or something.
another cool effect of ra is:"(Quick effect) If you activate de-fusion, target it and change it's effect to this: Target one 'the winged dragon of ra' on the field and, ignoring it's effects, reduce it's attack to zero, if you do, the controller of 'the winged dragon of ra' gains life points equal to the attack lost.
If we do get a big wave of extra support, best thing would be to make a Continuous Spell that brings the Divine Hierarchy into the game. 3 Effect rule. Something happens on Activation. Second effect, likely the passive one, enables protections on your Gods. Third effect, some secondary active thing like, "Send 1 Divine-Beast monster from Deck to GY; send 1 monster on the field to the GY."
Or do the middle ground that Tag Force (before Tag Force 5 I think) did by giving them protection, Ra could be Special Summoned and gains the Tribute ATK/DEF gain and even keeping Slifer's effect intact. Konami could have done that but NOPE! TOO STRONG!
There is the one ghetto yugioh application that actually gives the god cards, their anime effects. I might not be the best, but I did struggle against them with decks like Swordsoul.
Daamn, that friecking guys are the doppelganger of Zabdos, Moltres and Articuno. Damn loved that powerful pokemons. Yugioh, has incredible monsters, Gaia, blue eyes white dragon, dragon, Kumori ,Exodia the forbidden one , The Dark Magician , Slyfer the sky dragon, Obelisk the tormentor, Winged dragon of Ra, the Sacred beastes...invitation to a dark sleep, the haunting of labyrinth, opressed people, and my beloved one , Red- eyes black dragon, and his combinations...Best shonen anime ever. Combats so suspensful and mindblowing combos with the decks!❤❤❤
I firmly believe although it would still not be meta frequently obelisk would show up as an op going second option especially if you just spam it from hand with pendulums, then tribute 2 monsters to either nuke the board or attack any attack position monster to win the duel. So any deck that could spam out a bunch of little monsters without your normal summon or pendulum summon could use it like we use dark ruler no more and evenly matched today. It would also be funny if ra's spehere mode was just part of ras effect, then you could chant it back to your field after tributing 3 of your opponents omni negates, then attack directly with the attack of their tributed monsters. Definitely 2 viable otk strategies.
@Dzeeff The Sacred Beasts were different in the anime as well, being ACTUAL GOD CARDS (DIVINE attribute and Divine Beast-type) and having somewhat different effects.
I like the idea of the link upgrade thing - like they're link-1 who's requirements are their specifically named Egyptian god card. For Slifer, I like to imagine this version would affect Def points butperhaps a slightly higher threshold (say 2500) as summoning 2000+ atk/Def monsters is fairly easy now, but 2500 is more difficult but not impossible for majority of decks. Obelisk is kinda okay to just lift the "unable to attack" after it uses it's raigeki effect, maybe also give it multi-attack options? Ra is difficult bcuz of how much the manga/anime version could do - perhaps it gains atk equal to half the sum of all monsters in the gy (a psuedo-"gain atk of the tribute" effect) and then to replicate the pop effect just give it a simple OPT pop. If you want this link-Ra to have the multiple forms then just make them alternative Link-1's, similar to the variable Sky Striker kit. Idk I do like this as the potential to modernise the god cards, rather than main deck upgrades - since I'd want to run the OGs in my main deck if they were viable
I think they just need a series of cards of cards that say something to the extent of "This card can be used as 3 tributes for a diving beast monster, and if it is, the divine beast summoned gains "This card is unaffected by other card effects and can only be tributed by its owner", and if its name is "The Winged Dragon of Ra" gains 4000 attack. Id also like to see extra effects maybe for running low to no extra deck. Something that demands you reveal it, and only have god slime or no extra deck at all. Like straight up give certain support unchainability for running low to no extra deck but dictate that you have to have not special summoned from the extra deck as well this turn to use any of it.
If you check the yugioh R manga, you'll see that the god cards all have upgraded fusion forms that can be accessed using a spell card. If Konami was to bring those cards in the TCG, that could actually be a way to fixed the egyptian gods. The upgraded form of Obelisk is "Obelisk the progenitor".
With the gods newest and existing support, they are really strong. I defeated my friends albaz deck 1 day before he got second place in an inofficial tournament with pure ra + support + juggernaut liebe as backup
I feel that the Gods would benefit most from having some Main Deck Monsters to really support them, similar to what the "Eyes of Blue" Monsters are meant to do for "Blue Eyes White Dragon". If we want to stay in Flavor, i´d say give each a Trio of Priests, (or Priestesses) that can easily be specialed onto the Field, and give each of them an Effect that lingers on the Field if they are tributed to summon "their" Godcard.
Speaking of yugioh I wish the most powerful cards were the most powerful instead of the least powerful ones seems like it solve a lot of the balancing and powercreep issues.
I think it would kind of cool to do like Link 1s requiring the god of choice and then just giving those better effects. So it would still give you incentive to play them but just a better pay off
1:38 they could put in the text of the cards "you can only use this card if you have a screenshot of you commenting on a pojo thread complaining about synchro summoning"
given their procection of being uneffected by effects which make them leave the field + only effected by other effects temporarily. they abolutely would see play even if it was a rogue deck at minimum. they be towers which are powerful floodgates of otk machines. espectionly in modern yugioh where getting the monsters for it would be much easier. dragon rulers show that even base oblisk, a 3 tribute monster with a good form of potection and high atk is viable with powerful enough tribute engines.
Dont think they are unaffected by other cards maybe just like targeting or cards that affect only one monster. There were things like blast held by a tribute and mirror force that would work on them but the other players had to go on a workaround for those
Yup. Obelisk and Slifer could not be targeted or destroyed by card effects. Ra, however, seemed to be more so completely immune (which does not circumvent effects that force the opponent to do something and such)
1:53 Wouldn't that just be accomplished by stating on Ra "Unaffected by the effects of "Slifer the Sky Dragon" and "Obelisk The Tormentor" that your opponent controls"?
Shared Effect: Cannot be removed from the field by card effects except it's own or by a Divine Beast of a Higher Hierarchy. Cannot be negated. Cannot be Tributed by your Opponent. S/T Card Effects that affects this card only last until the End Phase of the turn it was affected (meaning any non-removal effects that affect them only last 1 turn and they become unaffected by it unless an another copy of it gets activated next turn). If this card is Special Summoned, the controller of this card must send it to the GY at the End Phase of the turn it was Special Sunmoned. Even just putting the Shared Effect on the God Cards would have made them great cards already.
The only way I can imagine to fit SO MANY EFFECTS on a somewhat viable monster, is having said boss monster be a kind of "Unaffected by monst effects lmao. Once per turn, during either players turn (quick effect) you can add an "Egyptian Servant" from SOMEWHERE to your hand. And then this support archetype goes like "during either players turn, if you control certain boss monster, you can discard this card from your hand to activate an effect" . So you get some small monsters whose purpose is to summon a big boss, and then give you effects once the boss is out.
Honestly all they need is either retrains or an errata, potentially minus the god hierarchy they would unironically be among the strongest beatsticks in the tcg. protection from all card effects, summons cant be negated, already daunting to face off against and powerful effects that would still make them a nightmare even nowadays.
One thing I always thought about was how the characters say “it’s not a monster, it’s a God” And I think the game should reflect that: Divine-beast shouldn’t be treated as Monsters but Gods. A 4th card type alongside monster spell and trap. A simple change but then cards that destroy ‘monsters’ don’t work as per rules of the game which I think is more in line with the anime God card
There are actually 2 shared effects you missed. 1) of you control an Egyptian God card in defense position does it become the only valid attack target. 2) Egyptian gods can not be tributed except by the current controller (effective making then Kaiju proved)
@@mitsunekolucky671 it's from the manga Yugi had a card that allows to sacrifices opponents monsters to which marik says that he can't sacrifice Ra. But as sacrifice gods in general is clearly possible as kaiba did it with obelisk does is mean that only your opponent can't tribute your God. Especially as the card was ultimately used on Yugi's own obelisk anyway showing it's also not the effect protection the gods have. And with the gods being these end all be all cards while lava golem the original kaiju being around does it really only make sense that they would be immune to it.
The god card in anime is indestructible by spell or traps or effect (except battle) but before it was summoned it was just a card thats why yugi tried with exchange spell card or discard by hand.
It eould be cool to have legal anime effects card only avaliable to tournament winners like yuguoh world champions can select 1 iconic yugioh card and give it its anime original and overpowered effects
I think they are worth a complete erata make all of them unaffected by opponents cards make Obelisk a Qickeffect requiring only 1 Tribute for the effect, Sleifa work on Defense Position Monsters and Ra gain Atk through Tributes as well and make the Life cost chooseable.
One effect you missed was that Slifer and Ra count as Dragons for the purposes of your own cards in edition to Divine. Obelisk might also count as something else, Fiend or something i don't know, it's never been stated as far as i know. But im sure there is enough generic dragon support to pull off some insanity with them.
3:11 Obelisk's infinite ATK effect only happens when it tributes Slifer and Ra specifically, to my knowledge. 3:54 Obelisk can't attack in the same turn because the Raigeki effect os treated as an attack. The idea is that it's attacking every monster your opponent controls, and sometimes your opponent as well, which is why in games like The Sacred Cards Obelisk additionally burns the opponent for 4000 LP.
Hey Dzeef thanks for the video I agree 💯 that they should make more Egyptian God support so that they are actually a decent deck to play with in one way or another. Also I lost me old email and had to make a new one I am now a new subscriber but with my other account I was subscribed for 7 yrs. Enjoy your content have a great day.
I wish they gave them the 'cannot be removed by card effects' protection at least, instead of all the support cards we got . They could've done that and limit them to 1 gd card per deck
I know that some of these effects aren't EXACTLY what's in the anime, but the effects weren't consistent in the show, either, and this is my interpretation of them as best I can :)
I figure if theres any confusion its the shows fault. Cuz half the time when ppl think they remember something that isnt in the actual show its cuz it was only in whatever dub they watched.
The thing they need to make to balance this cards is a field spell that has the effect that:
All Divine Beast Monsters are unaffected by card effects.....
and As long as a divine beast
monster is in the field this field spell cannot be targeted and it needs to be destroyed twice.....
then the moment this card is sent to the graveyard destroy 1 card on the field.....
What would your personal ranking be of these cards if they had their anime effects? I feel like that's an important part of this video that was left out.
Yeah a closest you can get while still being somewhat consistent is fair it’s kinda like the show death battle some comics shows etc are gonna contradict eachother so they get the closest approximation same here.
Maybe you should use the manga effects instead of nthe anime effects, since they are consistent in the manga.
If Ra had all its anime effects, the card would just read "(See page 7-93 of current rulebook)"
My favourite rule of ra, is your opponent can say it's incantation before you and therefore get control of it
@@underkitten playing against native egyp would be hard
@@rifarira9160 modern egyptians speak Arabic. Nobody currently living actually knows how to read heiroglyphics.
@originalindigodingo I don't know how much of it literally phonetically translates, but there is a nonzero number of Egyptologists who have been able to read Hieroglyphics ever since we cracked the translation on the Rosetta Stone
@@formerctgovernordannelmall1452 I would love to learn. It seems like ancient emojis
I always wished that they'd just retrain the god cards to have them have effects more in-line with their anime versions, but with the amount of spell and trap cards they've made that are meant to "give" them their anime effects that seems like a pipe dream at this point, tho maybe someday.
No kidding! They give us everything BUT extra deck retrains with better effects and I have zero clue as to why. All I can think of is that they want them to suck to keep them cheap for casual players.
@@Weasel_Face333would be nice to have better extra deck versions of the three
Honestly, it wouldn’t even be that crazy anymore. The only real problem I could see is Slifer. If he kept his floodgate shenanigans on top of being un effected I think he could become a Rongo level problem.
I don´t know why people not play them as if they had those effect.
Like errata the cards to be stronger and not just weaker.
They tried to print the Egyptian god cards as they existed in the anime but the artists all died in mysterious circumstances so they released the knock offs instead
That sounds like something that happened in the anime
But fake cards also angered the Egyptian gods. Players who played them had to die. 😂
Someone did that with Ra, but they needed to write in tiny font to fit in the 20 special abilities it has.
Even chad from accounting?
@@dannyfenlon2476 especially Chad from accounting
Fun fact: In the game Yugioh World Championship 2007 (might also have been 2008) you could download Marik's duel ghost, which posessed The Winged Dragon of Ra. That Ra actually did have the tribute effect.
It also could be special summoned and cannot be targeted by cards effects. When Konami OCG made Ra they literally insulted those old video games Ra, Osiris and Obelisk. Dude reasoning gate turbo could put them in the field fast and win in one turn. Empty jar turbo. Dimension fusion otk decks. Monarchs, lightsworms, destiny heroes turbo, zombie reborn. Why realize handicap cards. This is my mean thing have against Konami.
Nightmare troubadour, tag force 2-4 and wct 2007-2008 had better gods. Dude don't use the printed gods and I do play gods for fun. I use those mentioned video games effects and guest what they can win duels way easier than the ones we got.
Just like why change Brain control effect OCG when they take change of heart off the banlist at two smh
in the world championship games i think up to 2009 they all kept their anime effects at least until the real printed versions were released.
I had NO clue! I wish Marik originally had it instead of the ghost form.
@@urickmann7768Video Game effects, not anime effects
@@bmwjourdandunngoddess6024 Yeah, video game versions, while they actually felt like the anime versions, lacked most of the protection
Winged Dragon of RA's effect of if you play a token that's named Winged Dragon of RA, both players will be struck by lightning. First player to regain consciousness wins the match, if neither player can awaken after 10 minutes, duel is a draw.
If you're joey you can just tank it like a boss
Uploading this video 3 times to reference having to tribute 3 monsters to summon these. Clever Doug.
as they should 😤
They need, easier way to bring them to your hand, a stronger field speel and actual support to summon them easier with a monster that can multiply. That's what their missing. And at least non targeting effects and undestroyable too. To make them more viable in modern Yugioh.
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The Winged BOWER of Ra XD
Legit they could probably print most of these effects now as retrained versions like "Egyptian god: Obelisk The Tormentor" so it would still work the support cards.
I think the problem would be how do they top the original art? Those pictures are so iconic to the series.
They could make their artwork look like the designs on the tablet Pegasus found when he first discovered the Egyptian Gods, a carved sandstone look with a few Egyptian hieroglyphics.
Just make Kazuki redr- oh shit😢
@@wtfbros5110RIP 🙏🏽
"So in the anime only chosen duelists are allowed to even play these cards, you're supposed to have a link to the distant past. And obviously this would be difficult and maybe impossible to translate to the actual cards" the way i started cracking up thank you mr. zeeff
FINAL REUPLOAD, I PROMISE
Holy shit, did RUclips hatecit THAT much?😅
@Dzeeff I noticed a couple of other youtubers I subbed too had to reupload today as well. This a RUclips issue or just an odd coincidence? Just curious.
i've opened this video in a new tab to watch 3 times now...
The reupload threepeat.
@@supsup335 Not algorithm based or anything like that, I had just misinterpreted an anime effect
I remember one detail about Obelisk's Raigeki-like eff in the anime that made it insanely dangerous, and they even stayed by consistent with it by showing it's effect semi-competitively in Dark Side of Dimensions.
In the show and movie, it didn't just blow away all of your opponent's monsters, it "inflicts" 4000 points of battle damage onto all monsters your opponent controlled, while also destroying them in battle, and THEN inflicted 4000 additional life points of effect(?) damage to your opponent. It's basically a more convoluted way of saying that Obelisk attacks and instantly destroys everything on the opponent's board after damage calculation, while also being invincible in battle, and also preventing you from taking battle damage.
Add on to the fact that this is a Quick Effect, and that has to be one of the most busted field clearing effects/OTK enablers I've ever seen on a card.
do u think its too much for today meta to handle if konami decide to give it to them?
What the effect was stated to do, in the manga the anime doesn't actually bother expositing it iirc, is that obelisk destroys all opponents monsters by card effect and if there are any left he goes up to infinite attack and attacks all remaining monsters, no combat damage is dealt and obelisk is immune to battle destruction during those battles, finally if your opponent then doesn't control any monsters he inflicts 4k effect damage to your opponent.
Also if applicable his attack then resets to what it was. Considering that the anime had a 4k starting life total, the effect is just a complicated way to write: sac 2 monsters to win the game.
That first one about it inflicting 4000 battle damage for each monster destroyed was added in for DSOD because it upped the LP total from 4000 to 8000. Obelisk originally only had the part where it inflicts 4000 damage after all monsters are destroyed because that was all it needed for it to be an insta win.
I didn't watch dsod so I didn't know about the changes, funny enough both still name a finite number so I would still like to see someone who just survives it because of some life gain spell.
@@rifarira9160Absolutely not. Meta could end any anime effect. Like actually 😭
You know, when I saw a video about egyptian gods in my notification I thought it was April first already and you would try to convince us they are good 😅
I remember being really surprised when people where saying how bad the Egyptian Gods were when I started duel links. They were crazy in the anime, right. I didn't know they had printed weak knockoffs. Pretty much like they did in the anime too lol, when they tried to make bootleg RA
they are also weak in the anime if the characters would use top tier decks. Its jsut that the draws are obviously scripted to make the main monsters shine more.
@@jetzaga6820Granted, they were incredibly good by the standards then, since in the anime, two of them could not be targeted or destroyed (which was basically all removal effects back then), and Ra was outright unaffected by everything
@@jetzaga6820Thank you. That’s the tea nobody is talking about
@@jetzaga6820
Not really with divine higherarchy, nothing non divine could affect Osiris and obelisk and these two could affect ra, because he had tier divine higherarchy.
Even by modern standards a card that is unaffected by literally everything is strong
Tbh they probably still wouldn't have seen play as 3 tributes is alot of resources and there protection is pretty inconsistent people would have found a way to get rid of them
The Obelisk Raigeki effect also, if I recall the DSOD movie correctly, deals 4000 LP effect damage and doesn't stop Obelisk from attacking.
It doesn't deal the lp damage. I remember yami summoning all 3 god cards sacrificing ra and slifer to destroy all 3 of kaiba's blue eyes then attacking directly for game with infinity attack for game.
I don’t remember if it does 4K burn or if it just counted as an attack.
I feel like my brain is remembering it as, “Raigeki the board and then attack directly all at once”
Yes, basically, it deals 4000 damage to all opponents monsters and the player. So, everything below 4000 is destroyed and it deals 4000 burn damage.
@@marchmelloowBut it only deals 4000 after ALL the monsters are destroyed
Oh who kaiju-ed the last video?
You forgot Ra's most powerful effect, it can attack the turn it's summoned with its effect of INSTANT ATTACK
In the paper game, it would probably read - on the turn this monster is normal or special summoned, the battle phase cannot be skipped (any resolved effect that caused the battle phase to be skipped previously is negated), and this monster’s attack cannot be negated.
@@matasa7463 Tribe King-Boosted LeoKingdomGX Is The Mega Man Star Force 2 Version Of Ra!The Leo Blazer Firebeam Is Ra's Goddo Blaze Cannon!110x12=1320=MURDER!
@@matasa7463 this doesn't address the most important part of Instant Attack, which is attacking on your opponent's turn.
@@MetaKaiosIt would just read, “(quick effect) You can have this card attack your opponents monsters or force your opponent into battle position, forcing them all to attack” or your opponent effect damage between this card and a targeted cards difference in attack, and then is sent to the graveyard, the monster can only be selected once.
To be fair, that might just be another protection affect
Funny how Obelisk in the TCG can tribute himself to his effect, it says "Tribute 2 monsters" not "tribute 2 other monsters" lol
The new trap support you actually have to tribute 2 other monsters.
for those who want it summed up. all 3 are unaffected by monster effects, except divine beast monster effects. unaffected by spell and traps that have them leave the field. controller of the card cannot be switched, opponent cannot tribute them. if they are special summoned from graveyard or banished, they go back to graveyard on end phase. from hand they stay
obelisk can tribute two other monsters to either destroy all monsters on the field and 4k damage to the opponent, or gain infinite attack for one turn.
slifer is pretty similar to real life, except monsters summoned in defense mode lose 2k defense and will be destroyed if zero. also zero attack monsters will be destroyed on summon.
ra has the maju garzette ability in it's effect. but when special summoned from the grave it has the following
it is unaffected by card effects, an you take no damage involving your opponents attacks on this card.
you can pay all but 1 life point to add to it's attack, you can also tribute other monsters on the field to add it's attack and defense to ra's stats respectively,
ra can attack all monsters, once each, and the opponent directly.
pay 1000 life points to destroy one monster on the field, ignoring all other card effects.
that's pretty much the core of them
Can you imperm them?
From what I know, imperm does negate their protections
@@playmaker7871 the anime effects spells and traps can affect them. examples such as yugi's ground erosion negating and weakening obelisk the tormentor, and atem's magic cylinder potentially winning targeting slifers attack.
@@Cardlimits so imperm then any removal, then you’re good
@@playmaker7871 essentially yes
Can't be removed yet yugi won by using rangarock.
Pretty much what I don't about the gods there very inconsistent
I always thought it was funny that people argued you couldn't kaiju the God cards considering they tribute and Kaiba literally tributes Obelisk.
It literally happens in the anime and people have their heads so far up their own ***** that they ignore it and call them invincible to everything.
Well that isn't the case the way you think of it you can tribute it if it's your card BUT your opponent cannot effect the gods with card effects that make them leave the field
@@legendarylancers7446 Question: Was this mentioned anywhere in the anime at all that the opponent cannot tribute an opponent's god card?
@mitsunekolucky671 When the Pharaoh activated soul taker ( in anime sacrifices a monster on opponent's field), it was stated that wouldn't work on Ra. Kaiba sacrificed his God without an effect.
@@theheronexus1199Sure, that's effect tributing. Kaiju tributing isn't an effect either, alongside Lava Golem and Santa Claws. There's also Share the Pain (non-effect tributing), Monarch's Stormforth (not an effect), Evenly Matched (player decision face down remove from play).
@mitsunekolucky671 Yeah, they only say immune to card effects. I was just clarifying the tribute scenario you asked about.
Also in the anime if you special someone one of the Egyptian god cards during your opponents attack phase. They become a shield that even protects other monsters from effects.
Kaiba revives obelisk and saves his monsters against yugi.
Yugi summons slifer to die and protect all his other monsters from Ra’s Phoenix ability.
Marik used Ra as a shield to protect Juragedo and his life points from Slifer’s attack.
Among the anime/manga God cards (egyptian, wicked god, sacred beast, aesir), Avatar is the strongest by always having highest atk on the field, the immunity to effects, and the high rank in god's hierarchy (same with Ra), while Osiris, Obelisk, Dreadroot, and Eraser are in the same rank below Avatar/Ra, those 4 needs Divine Evolution (ygo R manga) to have the same rank with Avatar/Ra if they want to affecting them with their effect, like cutting down Avatar/Ra's ATK with Osiris/Dreadroot, or destroys them with Obelisk/Eraser
And yes, for ppl who doesn't watch the show/read the manga, Sacred Beast and Aesir didn't have the hierarchy system
Eh ther avatar almost got destroyed by obelisk even without the divine evolution. Because infinity+1 is still equal to infinity. The guy llwho control avatar literally stop the infinite attack in fear of avatar getting destroyed.
2 months late, I'm fairly sure that if Atem played ra at best the fight would reveal that RA is still one step ahead of avatar in the god hierarchy because f you it’s ra, therefore not being affected by avatar (like for example avatar can't copy ra attack and having no immunities against him), or at worst phenix mode will just burn avatar anyway. I understand that it didn't use ra because it was too strong for the manga and would have removed any issue, but it would have been nice that it was ra that killed avatar and he reserved it as a trump card.
@@itachiaurion3198 that's not how avatar works lol. Regardless what Ra summoned as it will still able to copy Ra's stat. Phoenix mode will be able to clear avatar but ra won't be able to attack as it need to be special summoned to go into that mode so that means the attack is 0 and it will be gone in the end phase.
@@ramaroy2408 We are talking about monsters where the effect where made up on the fly to fit the narrative of the book, if marik was going against avatar I wouldn't have been surprised to seen such thing because he seem to add effect as required to kill atem.
@@itachiaurion3198 what effects? We already see all Ra effects before Marik face atem lol. Other than the hierarchy there is nothing new about Ra when atem face Marik.
Yes they are written for the plot progression but the Ra atem face is already shown all it's effects.
The Egyptian gods could actually be perfect for a ritual archetype, with them having better effects, and the spell used giving them more effects.
That's interesting 🤔
Anime Gods don't have absolute Towers immunity. The protection they have is in 2 parts. They cannot be removed from the field by card effects and any other effect only lasts to the end of the turn.
Immunity to removal means no popping, banishing, spinning, bouncing, sending, tributing, etc. This does raise the question of cards like Book of Moon or Fiendish Chain. If those do work, then it means that the Gods would lose their protection by being set/negated. It was said in the anime that Brain Control would not work on a God card so I'd argue no booking or negating is allowed either.
Other effects lasting to the end of the turn does mean the Gods can be stalled or you can try to scratch them down before battling them, as was done a few times in the anime. It was also why Monster Reborn only lasted till the endphase.
While the Gods are immune, their effects & attacks can be negated. Slifer's lightning bolts was deflected or negated a few times and Obelisk's attack was also negated by Kuriboh of all things. You can also probably find weird exceptions to the rule of some random episode to when the Gods weren't immune to effects.
One explicit example of them not being immune is in the Ishizu duel how Blast Held by a Tribute would work on Obelisk, but by the anime's logic it's that the actual target was Zolga and that the effect being from "inside" Obelisk might work?
There's also, like, the card that beats Ra and banishes it with the implication being it would stay banished (Marik loses on the same turn so we don't know if Ra would return but by most info it seems that was likely) being a normal Spell and not an Egyptian God card.
Oh yeah I totally forgot their protection didn't stop attack negations or attack modifications. They only had protection from being removed from their owner's side of the field. A Book of Moon turns them into any other effectless facedown, ironically the one situation where TCG Obelisk is better than its anime version.
@@Zetact_ I think Ishizu's case was a case of "inheritence" making it an effect which as apart Obelisk, as a continuous effect. The only thing I can think of with Yugi's Ragnorak card is they wanted a cool set piece to end the battle with so were like "f4ck it, just make him use all his Monsters." Basically a deus ex machina.
I'm going to add Brain control _removes the monster from your side of the field_ so Brain Control proof doesn't mean Book of Moon proof.
@@Zetact_ The Ra example is really just a case of the anime trying to be more dramatic than the source material. In the manga, Yugi uses a spell card that adds Dark Magician Girl's ATK to Dark Magician, and he manages to just overpower Ra's current ATK with that. The anime decided to do it with a made up on the spot spell card that let Yugi attack with his whole deck or something.
3:20 - It can only attack 1 monster with infinite attack. Attacking everything is another effect.
From the wiki: Increase its ATK to ∞ as well as attack any number of monsters the player chooses, regardless of whose turn it is. After it has attacked, the ATK of "Obelisk" returns to its original value.
@@Dzeeff Weird. The only time I saw it being used it only attacked 1 monster.
@@insanemakaioshinit can attack multiple monsters, it just happens when obelisk summoned there always only one Monster or it got stopped.
We need extra deck retrains of the Egyptian God Cards and Sacred Beasts. I think that would be pretty dope
Hi Dzeeff.
Obelisk's anime "Raigeki" effect actually inflicts 4000 damage to all monsters (destroying any monster with an attack/defence of 4000 or less) and then inflicts 4000 Burn damage to the opponent.
Here's my take on "retraining" the God cards to give them more of their anime effects/protection, while still keeping them somewhat realistic:
Retrained Osiris:
(This card's name is always treated as "Slifer the Sky Dragon".)
Requires 3 Tributes to Normal Summon (cannot be Normal Set). This card's Summon cannot be negated. When Summoned, cards and effects cannot be activated. Your opponent cannot Tribute this face-up card on the field, and it is unaffected by your opponent's Spell/Trap effects and by activated effects from any monster, except for those whose original Level/Rank is equal to or higher than this card's current Level. Once per turn, during the End Phase, if this card was Special Summoned: Send it to the GY. Gains 1000 ATK/DEF for each card in your hand. If a monster(s) is Summoned to your opponent's field, that monster(s) looses 2000 ATK or DEF respective to its position, then if its ATK or DEF has been reduced to 0 as a result, or if its respective ATK or DEF was already 0, destroy it.
Retrained Obelisk:
(This card's name is always treated as "Obelisk the Tormentor".)
Requires 3 Tributes to Normal Summon (cannot be Normal Set). This card's Summon cannot be negated. When Summoned, cards and effects cannot be activated. Your opponent cannot Tribute this face-up card on the field, and it is unaffected by your opponent's Spell/Trap effects and by activated effects from any monster, except for those whose original Level/Rank is equal to or higher than this card's current Level. Once per turn, during the End Phase, if this card was Special Summoned: Send it to the GY. Once per turn, you can Tribute 2 other monsters; destroy all monsters your opponent controls with ATK less than this card's and inflict 4000 damage to your opponent. You cannot conduct your Battle Phase the turn you activate this effect, also for the rest of the turn after this effect resolves, your opponent takes no damage.
Retrained Ra:
(This card's name is always treated as "The Winged Dragon of Ra".)
Requires 3 Tributes to Normal Summon (cannot be Normal Set). This card's Summon cannot be negated. When Summoned, cards and effects cannot be activated. Your opponent cannot Tribute this face-up card on the field, and it is unaffected by your opponent's Spell/Trap effects and by activated effects from any monster, except for those whose original Level/Rank is higher than this card's current Level. This card's ATK/DEF become the combined ATK/DEF of the monsters Tributed for its Summon. You can pay any amount of LP in increments of 100; this card gains ATK/DEF equal to the amount of LP paid. When Special Summoned this card gains these effects:
•Unaffected by other cards' effects and cannot be destroyed by battle, you take no battle damage from battles involving this card, also once per turn, during the End Phase: Send it to the GY.
•(Quick Effect) Once per turn you can pay 1000 LP to send all monsters your opponent controls to the GY (cards and effects cannot be activated in response to this effect's activation).
I love how you put effects of monsters equal to their rating don't affect them, that's actually really good.
I mean keeping them God level and anime level is realistic. They’re GOD cards for a reason. 💀
Perfect mate. Except i would keep the lifepoint effect on Ra only in special summon mode (and the life would be given back when it leaves) and i wouldnt add the reduction of slifer to Def position monsters, cause it feels oppresive to some decks. Would also propably keep the Ra pay 1000 to destroy 1 monster, not all, but im not like a balancing genius, so it may be too weak.
Sound good
I just ordered all the God support cards today cause watching them in the show like Marik using Winged Dragon Of Ra is so awesome. So I'm very excited to watch this video.
Have you memorized the ancient chant yet?
"Can't be destroyed by card effects,, unaffected by most effects" Wow these cards would age pretty well in modern yugioh lol
Honestly, if Slifer just had proper support for consistency it would be a really good rogue strategy. Even without protection, assuming you have no backrow or anything at all, the floodgate is strong enough to stop anything that needs a normal summon or relies on link 1/2.
I like playing Arcana Knight + Slifer on Master Duel and when I get that turn 1 slifer it immediately bricks the opponent.
Yeah, there could be more universal support cards that are also hard to remove while the God cards are in play, kinda like Mound of the Bound Creator but better. These would help give the Gods their anime/manga effects. Can have like Continuous cards that each have effects for all 3 Gods so that you don't just draw one, but you don't have the correct God for it.
Example: Well of the Divine Source, Continuous Spell, Effect: Uneffected by card effects while you control a DIVINE monster. While you control any of these monsters, apply these effects in addition to their effects.
Slifer - Monsters your opponent controls summoned in defense position lose 2000 DEF, then if their DEF is reduced to 0, destroy it.
Obelisk - This card can declare an attack the same turn it tributes monsters as a cost for its effect. This card can inflict piercing damage.
Ra - When this card is Normal Summoned, this card gains ATK/DEF equal to the original ATK/DEF of monsters tributed for its summon. If "Ancient Chant" was banished from your GY this turn, increase your LP equal the original ATK/DEF of monsters tributed for this card's Tribute Summon.
Would definitely, need more reliable card searching and/or drawing ability like Fallen Paradise or something were you reveal a God card and then draw 1 (or 2) card(s). Can only use it once per god, but all of Ra's forms count as 1 Ra so that it can't be spammed with just Ra. So yes draw 3 (to 6) cards max per turn with it if possible.
As a wise man once said:
"If thing was different, other thing would be different."
The best version of any of the god cards is probably from the video game "Reshef of Destruction", Ra's phoenix mode.
It's got the following effects:
Once per duel, if this card is send to the graveyard, special summon it as The Winged Dragon of Ra (Battle Mode)
Unaffected by your opponents card effects except for those that only modify attack and defense.
Cannot be targeted by your Opponent.
Effects or their activations cannot be negated.
You can pay 1000 Life Points to destroy your Opponents monsters, regardless of whether they can be destroyed by card effects or not. You cannot attack with this card the turn this effect is activated.
Which in itself doesn't seem too op, until you read Battle Mode:
Unaffected by your opponents card effects except for those that only modify attack and defense.
Cannot be targeted by your Opponent.
Effects or their activations cannot be negated.
You can pay all but 1 life point, deal damage to your opponent equal to the life points paid. You cannot attack with this card the turn this effect is activated.
Literally any life point advantage is an instant win, with a card that can be summoned upon being discarded.
I love that it has targeting protection on a card unaffected by most card effects. They’re like, “oh no no no, targeted attack/defense reduction is too powerful, we need to protect this card from those effects”
@@harrya9458There actually is a card that actually has both unaffected + untargetable protection in the game. It’s called “venomminaga the deity of poisonous snakes.”
Sparks + Foolish Burial FTK
@@harrya9458 Yeah, the effects in Reshef are a bit wonky and I reconstructed them from what they do rather than what they say they do, e.g. the protection effects aren't even listed, they just exist. (E.g. Final Destiny (destroys all cards on the field and in both players hands) will just not work on god cards in hand or on the field.
The only things stopping god cards are Amazon Archers (If a card attacks, lower its status by 1 level (500 ATK/DEF) and negate the attack and Swords of Revealing Light (Your opponent cannot declare an attack for 3 turns). Although Umi can bring down Ra's attack to 2800...
Targeting doesn't really exist either, since all targeting effects just always target the highest attack/defense card unless it's a god card.
So I tried to translate it a bit into the TCG-format.
Printed, the effects would be:
"A creature that can wipe out all enemy monsters at 1000LP cost.
It can be returned from the graveyard in the Battle Mode." (Phoenix)
"A dragon that has the power to cut its LP to 1 and hit the
opponent with the LP amount that it has lost." (Battle)
Even wilder is that you can just discard a card from your hand whenever you want, that really made Pheonix Mode crazy
The gba game god cards are the same as the show.
Sacred Cards would be close. Ra's effect from Nightmare troubadour or tagforce 2 or 3 better effect than the tcg. But I wonder how further it would be with its support cards
Not quite but more similar atleast ra is better
I think what we need are new versions of the gods cards. And extra deck support effects cards. Something like: when x happens, show this card from your extra deck and do effect y. Otherwise there will be too much text per card. Other old cards can also benefit from this. Be it this normal dragon or this normal magician. As for the worthy players, conditions could be on the monster card.
I assume this is what you needed the anime card artworks for, always find these types of videos interesting, with the god cards easily being my favourite cards.
I imagine one day we could easily see new retrains for them, but would they make them superior instead of just alternative is the question.
What if pot of greed had its anime effect?
Idk what it does in the anime
What does it even do
I always had someone explain it to me so I don't even remember what it does anymore
Draw 2 destiny draw
It doesn't draw cards I think it like special summons two cards from your deck then returns them to your hand
1:43 This is actually what magic does. Wotc has a heroes of the realm system where every year a few top performing employees get to design a card that only they will ever have. And there's a mostly serious edh ruling that you can play them, but only if your name is printed at the bottom. Because then it's actually your copy.
Cue Magic players all changing their name to Brian Palmer after Brian asks for an instant win card and starts renting it to pros for $1000 a game
Winged Dragon of Ra is also treated as a fusion monster (which then makes him susceptible to the battle city rules, meaning he's unable to attack the turn he's summoned, like all normal fusions) and can be targeted by de-fusion, and then in addition to returning him to the hand, you recover all LP you paid for his normal summon effect (don't remember the exact wording of the effect, but thats the gist of it), which in the TCG it's referenced in a continuous trap card that supports him. Don't know how much better or worse it would make Ra, but I think its the funniest Egyptian God card anime effect, just by being a weird and unique concept.
But remember in the anime, marik said winged dragon of ra had the ability of 'instant attack' so he wasn't stopped by vengeful bog spirit for example
Ra still can attack regardless the rules of battle city. Both Ra and obelisk (with it's ability)able to attack regardless whose turn or phase.
@@ramaroy2408Ra, despite being treated as a Fusion, did have the effect that removed the summoning sickness Fusions had in Battle City
One solution to the text problem is just do what MTG does and make it so The Divine attribute is treated like a keyword ability, this way Monsters whose original attribute is divine gain effects that don't have to be printed on the card and more non-protection effects can be put on cards.
I feel like they could do that egyptian god Link monster thing, for one specific reason: They've kind of already made the concept work with the Link-1 Infernoble Charles. It has an absurdly specific material requirement, gains the effects of the original, and even equips it to fuel an effect. Konami could ABSOLUTELY do the same thing for the God cards, and guess what; the Ra link monster could equip all 3 modes of the winged dragon of Ra.
The second I saw the title I immediately thought of that one scene from the show where Kaiba is amazed that the cards have so many effects that many of them are not even on the card itself.
Winged Dragon of Ra
Effect
"Just do whatever lol"
For those who wonder
Lore accurate
This was my attempt at making accurate God effects as custom cards.
Slifer
Requires 3 Tributes to Normal Summon (cannot be Set). This card is also treated as a Dragon-Type. Can only be affected by Divine-Beast monster effects. Cannot be affected by Trap effects. Can only be affected by other card effects for the turn they were activated (including effects that have already resolved). Gains 1000 ATK/DEF for each card in your hand. When your opponent Summons a monster(s): Reduce the ATK or DEF of each Summoned monster(s) by 2000 relative to the position the monster(s) are Summoned; then if a monster's ATK or DEF is reduced to 0 as a result; destroy it (this effect is also treated as an attack).
Obelisk
Requires 3 Tributes to Normal Summon (cannot be Set). This card is also treated as a Warrior-Type. Can only be affected by Divine-Beast monster effects. Cannot be affected by Trap effects. Can only be affected by other card effects for the turn they were activated (including effects that have already resolved). During Your Battle Phase: You can Tribute 2 face-up monsters you control; destroy all monster(s) your opponent controls, then inflict 4000 damage to your opponent (This effect is also treated as an attack).
Ra
Requires 3 Tributes to Normal Summon (cannot be Set). This card is also treated as a Machine-Type. Cannot be targeted for attack by other Divine-Beast monsters. Cannot be affected by other monster or Trap effects. Can only be affected by other card effects for the turn they were activated (including effects that have already resolved). If this card is Normal Summoned: this card's original ATK/DEF becomes the combined original ATK/DEF of the tributed monsters. (Quick Effect) Tribute any number of face-up monster(s) you control: increase this card's ATK/DEF by the combined ATK/DEF of the tributed monster(s). If this card is Special Summoned from the GY by the effect of “Monster Reborn”: You can pay LP until you 1 left; gains ATK/DEF equal to the amount paid and this card can attack each monster(s) your opponent controls once. (Quick Effect) Pay 1000 LP: until the End Phase this card cannot be destroyed by battle or card effect and destroy 1 monster your opponent controls (this effect is also treated as an attack).
Friend and I were talking about the gods, and we thought a ritual retrain of the gods could be a way to make them better. Keeps in line with their theme of needing sacrifices, and would open up a bunch of support to make them more searchable. I don't think most people would be upset if egyptian gods went from a casual deck to a rogue deck!
i want to make a meta god deck one day. ONLY if they can retrain it so it's more suitable for today meta play. :D
They should make new versions with 0.2 size font and every single ability from the manga and anime.
Reading Ra's text box should take so long that it feels like you are sacrificing some of your own life to it.
Technically, you’re sacrificing some of your life doing anything.
@@ultimate_capper3643 That's normal, though. Having to read lore accurate Ra should be a commitment.
For Ra, I only wanted its ATK/DEF to be equal to the monsters tributed to summon the card. It's mindblowing to me how The Winged Dragon of Ra has been done dirty in the TCG, as are its brothers, but Ra was the one that suffered the most.
Personally, I think they should errata them, Obelisk to be fair is fine as it is but could use some buff at the raigeki being a quick effect. Slifer I would honestly add a destruction effect protecion. While Ra make it untargetable and undestructible, that could be a reference to their hierarchy, as for Ra's actual effects its tricky due they being already in other cards, but I would at least remove the SS restriction so you can pay LP with any summon and a quick effect to tribute itself to regain those LP , probably some sort of restriction would be needed otherwise it can dodge the few removals ir could affect him
In terms of errataing the cards we have now, just give them the effect of "Unaffected by other cards' effects that do not mention [insert Egyptian God card's name] while face-up on the field". And for Ra specifically, give it the same Special Summoning restriction as the other two.
On a separate note, wonder how things would look for the Egyptian Gods if they were printed with a modified version of their early video game effects/stats instead of trying to replicate the anime effects on a single card (talking like The Sacred Cards early). By default, all three of the God Cards had 4000 Atk and Def and were unaffected by other card effects. As for their individual effects, VG!Obelisk's effect is a Raigeki that also burned for 4000; VG!Slifer no longer has its floodgate effect, but gained 1500 Atk/Def for each card in your hand instead of 1000; VG!Ra's effect is paying all but 1 LP, then burning your opponent for the amount of LP paid.
The hierarchy was never an anime effect, it was only really a thing in Yugioh R manga. The lack of the unnecessary hierarchy mechanic in the anime is used in multiple scenes INCLUDING the final duel of the series. If you really wanted that effect then easy, "Unaffected by the effects of all monsters, except DIVINE monsters whose level is greater than or equal to this card's current level" and then just make Ra a higher level.
Obelisk's infinite ATK I would just make it, "If this card battles a monster, increase this monster's ATK by the ATK/DEF of the attack target, during damage calculation only. This turn, if this monster inflicts battle damage to your opponent, you win the duel." It's easier to mechanically realize than making it have infinite ATK, just saying it will always win in battle and if it successfully deals damage it deals infinite damage by making you win.
It was in the manga though. In the anime, Marik played a spell that made Ra unaffected by Obelisk's infinite attack, but the manga just had Ra do that inherently.
@@marchmelloow The point being that it opens up a boatload of potential plotholes, wouldn't even make much sense to include and it isn't an anime effect and the anime actually cleans up some of those plotholes. Divine hierarchy opens up complications any time the god cards interact not only with outside cards but also with each other and outside of R it only really impacts ONE interaction that the anime could find a solution for anyway.
For instance in the Ceremonial Battle Obelisk is affected by a card that directly targets a monster in the manga while the anime changed it to being a card that is implied to effect the zone Obelisk was occupying instead.
Actually, I'm not convinced the god cards have towers like protection against backrow, but just protection from being removed from your side of the field. In the final duel didn't one of them have its attack negated? If my interpretation is correct, that means Obelisk's attack would be defeated by a Scrap Iron Scarecrow.
The higherarchy is also on the original manga
The anime duels aren't always similar to the manga duels , they have similar plot beats but not similar events , the anime creates a few plot holes that way
@@ahmadazem4167 If anything I think that the anime clears out a few plot holes by redoing the duels, especially since Takahashi didn't have the ability to map the game onto an official rule set. Top of my head being Buster Blader being able to attack a god card not working at all if you assume divine hierarchy is a mechanic, which is kind of a major part of the duel.
So, I think I more or less understand the effects of the God cards, so I will try to interpet them one by one
Obelisk the Tormentor
Requires 3 Tributes to Normal Summon (cannot be Normal Set). This card's Normal or Special Summon cannot be negated. When Normal Summoned, cards and effects cannot be activated. During the End Phase, if this card was Special Summoned: Send it to the GY. Cannot be targeted or destroyed by your opponent's card effects. Once per turn: You can Tribute 2 other monsters you control; destroy all monsters your opponent controls, then, if your opponent controls no monsters, inflict 4000 damage to your opponent. For the rest of this turn after resolving this effect, at the beginning of the Damage Step, when it attacks a monster: Your opponent must send that monster to the GY
Slifer the Sky Dragon
Requires 3 Tributes to Normal Summon (cannot be Normal Set). This card's Normal or Special Summon cannot be negated. When Normal Summoned, cards and effects cannot be activated. During the End Phase, if this card was Special Summoned: Send it to the GY. Cannot be targeted or destroyed by your opponent's card effects. This card gains 1000 ATK for each card in your hand. When your opponent Summons a monster: Activate 1 of these effects, depending on its battle position:
● Attack Position: That monster loses 2000 ATK. If it becomes 0, destroy it
● Defense Position: That monster loses 2000 DEF. If it becomes 0, destroy it
The Winged Dragon of Ra
Cannot be Special Summoned from the hand. Requires 3 Tributes to Normal Summon (cannot be Normal Set). This card's Normal or Special Summon cannot be negated. When Normal or Special Summoned, other cards and effects cannot be activated. During the End Phase, if this card was Special Summoned: Send it to the GY. Unaffected by your opponent's card effects. If this card was Special Summoned from the GY: You can pay 1000 LP; send 1 monster your opponent controls to the GY. Neither player can activate cards or effects in response to this effect's activation. You can pay LP so that you only have 1 left; this card gains LP equal to the amount of LP paid. You can Tribute monsters you control that have not declared an attack this turn; this card gains ATK equal to the Tributed monsters' ATK on the field. If this card is targeted by a card effect: You can make this card's ATK 0, and if you do, gain LP equal to the ATK lost by this effect
It's like getting 3 dzeeff videos in one day!❤
Babe wake up, new Dzeef video about the Egyptian Gods dropped!
I remember a few months ago trying to brainstorm more Face-Card support to try and better support the Egyptian Gods, since I felt that it was the most competent version of the deck. The main thing I'd like is a Hardened Armed Dragon style card to give the Gods protection. Here's what I came up with.
Queen's Squire
Link 1
LIGHT/Warrior/Effect
1 "Jack's Knight", "King's Knight", or "Queen's Knight"
(This cards name is treated as "Queen's Knight" while on the field)
If this card is link summoned, you cannot special summon from the extra deck for the rest of this turn, except LIGHT Warrior monsters. While you control this card, you can normal summon 1 "Jack's Knight", "King's Knight", or "Queen's Knight" in addition to your normal summon/set. You can only use this effect of "Queen's Squire" once per turn. A level 10 monster that is tribute summoned using this card as tribute is unaffected by your opponents cards and effects until your next turn.
Arcana Divine Joker
Link 3
LIGHT/Warrior/Effect
3 Warriors with different names, including a normal monster
This card and monsters this card points too are unaffected by cards and effects that do not target. When a card or effect is activated that targets this face-up card on the field or a monster this card points to (Quick Effect): You can discard 1 card of the same type (Monster, Spell, or Trap); negate the activation. If this card is destroyed by battle, you can special summon 3 LIGHT warriors with different names from your graveyard, except Arcana Divine Joker. You can only use each effect of "Arcana Divine Joker" once per turn.
One thing that would be cool, and a way to maybe give some effects, would be to have more small monsters, like they do with the baby dragon rulers or the squires for monarchs, that are based around the gods. I know some archetypes have monsters where if you tribute them for another in that archetype, it gains an extra effect. Having more monsters than ra's disciple, that actually help out the god cards instead of just providing tribute fodder, would be a great way to help out the gods, and maybe bring new life to the archetype. I personally would love like a few mini "sky dragons" that help slifer out, maybe help draw if you tribute them or something.
another cool effect of ra is:"(Quick effect) If you activate de-fusion, target it and change it's effect to this: Target one 'the winged dragon of ra' on the field and, ignoring it's effects, reduce it's attack to zero, if you do, the controller of 'the winged dragon of ra' gains life points equal to the attack lost.
1:20 This is true for all effects, not just with the Gods. In the final duel, Atem Mirror Forces Gandora's board wipe effect.
A new Dzeeff upload I'll watch it as soon as I finish this video,
What?
What do you mean is private?
The God cards had to be nerfed because we all saw what happens if someone unworthy tried to play them.
If we do get a big wave of extra support, best thing would be to make a Continuous Spell that brings the Divine Hierarchy into the game.
3 Effect rule. Something happens on Activation. Second effect, likely the passive one, enables protections on your Gods. Third effect, some secondary active thing like, "Send 1 Divine-Beast monster from Deck to GY; send 1 monster on the field to the GY."
Or do the middle ground that Tag Force (before Tag Force 5 I think) did by giving them protection, Ra could be Special Summoned and gains the Tribute ATK/DEF gain and even keeping Slifer's effect intact. Konami could have done that but NOPE! TOO STRONG!
There is the one ghetto yugioh application that actually gives the god cards, their anime effects. I might not be the best, but I did struggle against them with decks like Swordsoul.
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I firmly believe although it would still not be meta frequently obelisk would show up as an op going second option especially if you just spam it from hand with pendulums, then tribute 2 monsters to either nuke the board or attack any attack position monster to win the duel. So any deck that could spam out a bunch of little monsters without your normal summon or pendulum summon could use it like we use dark ruler no more and evenly matched today. It would also be funny if ra's spehere mode was just part of ras effect, then you could chant it back to your field after tributing 3 of your opponents omni negates, then attack directly with the attack of their tributed monsters. Definitely 2 viable otk strategies.
@Dzeeff The Sacred Beasts were different in the anime as well, being ACTUAL GOD CARDS (DIVINE attribute and Divine Beast-type) and having somewhat different effects.
I like the idea of the link upgrade thing - like they're link-1 who's requirements are their specifically named Egyptian god card. For Slifer, I like to imagine this version would affect Def points butperhaps a slightly higher threshold (say 2500) as summoning 2000+ atk/Def monsters is fairly easy now, but 2500 is more difficult but not impossible for majority of decks. Obelisk is kinda okay to just lift the "unable to attack" after it uses it's raigeki effect, maybe also give it multi-attack options? Ra is difficult bcuz of how much the manga/anime version could do - perhaps it gains atk equal to half the sum of all monsters in the gy (a psuedo-"gain atk of the tribute" effect) and then to replicate the pop effect just give it a simple OPT pop. If you want this link-Ra to have the multiple forms then just make them alternative Link-1's, similar to the variable Sky Striker kit. Idk I do like this as the potential to modernise the god cards, rather than main deck upgrades - since I'd want to run the OGs in my main deck if they were viable
I think they just need a series of cards of cards that say something to the extent of "This card can be used as 3 tributes for a diving beast monster, and if it is, the divine beast summoned gains "This card is unaffected by other card effects and can only be tributed by its owner", and if its name is "The Winged Dragon of Ra" gains 4000 attack. Id also like to see extra effects maybe for running low to no extra deck. Something that demands you reveal it, and only have god slime or no extra deck at all. Like straight up give certain support unchainability for running low to no extra deck but dictate that you have to have not special summoned from the extra deck as well this turn to use any of it.
it seems Dzeef wouldn't stop posting about the Egyptian gods until konami make them absolutely playable
If you check the yugioh R manga, you'll see that the god cards all have upgraded fusion forms that can be accessed using a spell card. If Konami was to bring those cards in the TCG, that could actually be a way to fixed the egyptian gods. The upgraded form of Obelisk is "Obelisk the progenitor".
With the gods newest and existing support, they are really strong. I defeated my friends albaz deck 1 day before he got second place in an inofficial tournament with pure ra + support + juggernaut liebe as backup
I feel that the Gods would benefit most from having some Main Deck Monsters to really support
them, similar to what the "Eyes of Blue" Monsters are meant to do for "Blue Eyes White Dragon".
If we want to stay in Flavor, i´d say give each a Trio of Priests, (or Priestesses) that can easily be
specialed onto the Field, and give each of them an Effect that lingers on the Field if they are tributed to summon "their" Godcard.
Speaking of yugioh I wish the most powerful cards were the most powerful instead of the least powerful ones seems like it solve a lot of the balancing and powercreep issues.
I kinda wish they’d just errata them to at least make them playable
In the anime Obelisk raigeki effect also had the added bonus of inflicting 4000 points of damage afterwards.
And given how exactly it was used, it seems to only apply when the opponent's entire board got wiped
I think it would kind of cool to do like Link 1s requiring the god of choice and then just giving those better effects. So it would still give you incentive to play them but just a better pay off
1:38 they could put in the text of the cards "you can only use this card if you have a screenshot of you commenting on a pojo thread complaining about synchro summoning"
given their procection of being uneffected by effects which make them leave the field + only effected by other effects temporarily. they abolutely would see play even if it was a rogue deck at minimum. they be towers which are powerful floodgates of otk machines. espectionly in modern yugioh where getting the monsters for it would be much easier. dragon rulers show that even base oblisk, a 3 tribute monster with a good form of potection and high atk is viable with powerful enough tribute engines.
Dont think they are unaffected by other cards maybe just like targeting or cards that affect only one monster. There were things like blast held by a tribute and mirror force that would work on them but the other players had to go on a workaround for those
Bingo. You're the only person in this comment section actually understand the way they work
Yup. Obelisk and Slifer could not be targeted or destroyed by card effects. Ra, however, seemed to be more so completely immune (which does not circumvent effects that force the opponent to do something and such)
1:53 Wouldn't that just be accomplished by stating on Ra "Unaffected by the effects of "Slifer the Sky Dragon" and "Obelisk The Tormentor" that your opponent controls"?
Shared Effect:
Cannot be removed from the field by card effects except it's own or by a Divine Beast of a Higher Hierarchy. Cannot be negated. Cannot be Tributed by your Opponent. S/T Card Effects that affects this card only last until the End Phase of the turn it was affected (meaning any non-removal effects that affect them only last 1 turn and they become unaffected by it unless an another copy of it gets activated next turn). If this card is Special Summoned, the controller of this card must send it to the GY at the End Phase of the turn it was Special Sunmoned.
Even just putting the Shared Effect on the God Cards would have made them great cards already.
The only way I can imagine to fit SO MANY EFFECTS on a somewhat viable monster, is having said boss monster be a kind of "Unaffected by monst effects lmao. Once per turn, during either players turn (quick effect) you can add an "Egyptian Servant" from SOMEWHERE to your hand. And then this support archetype goes like "during either players turn, if you control certain boss monster, you can discard this card from your hand to activate an effect" .
So you get some small monsters whose purpose is to summon a big boss, and then give you effects once the boss is out.
7:33 just play ra support mixed in with the rise of the true dragons deck. Easy way to integrate Ra into a deck if you want to.
Or they could just make some supports for divine-beast type monster in general instead the individual God Cards.
Honestly all they need is either retrains or an errata, potentially minus the god hierarchy they would unironically be among the strongest beatsticks in the tcg. protection from all card effects, summons cant be negated, already daunting to face off against and powerful effects that would still make them a nightmare even nowadays.
Obelisk and Slifer generalled showed to not be able to be targeted or destroyed, but they were not outright immune
One thing I always thought about was how the characters say “it’s not a monster, it’s a God” And I think the game should reflect that: Divine-beast shouldn’t be treated as Monsters but Gods. A 4th card type alongside monster spell and trap. A simple change but then cards that destroy ‘monsters’ don’t work as per rules of the game which I think is more in line with the anime God card
There are actually 2 shared effects you missed.
1) of you control an Egyptian God card in defense position does it become the only valid attack target.
2) Egyptian gods can not be tributed except by the current controller (effective making then Kaiju proved)
Do you have a source to 2)? I doubt even Yugioh writers thought 20 years ahead of Yugioh's metagame.
@@mitsunekolucky671 it's from the manga Yugi had a card that allows to sacrifices opponents monsters to which marik says that he can't sacrifice Ra. But as sacrifice gods in general is clearly possible as kaiba did it with obelisk does is mean that only your opponent can't tribute your God.
Especially as the card was ultimately used on Yugi's own obelisk anyway showing it's also not the effect protection the gods have.
And with the gods being these end all be all cards while lava golem the original kaiju being around does it really only make sense that they would be immune to it.
The god card in anime is indestructible by spell or traps or effect (except battle) but before it was summoned it was just a card thats why yugi tried with exchange spell card or discard by hand.
It eould be cool to have legal anime effects card only avaliable to tournament winners like yuguoh world champions can select 1 iconic yugioh card and give it its anime original and overpowered effects
I think they are worth a complete erata make all of them unaffected by opponents cards make Obelisk a Qickeffect requiring only 1 Tribute for the effect, Sleifa work on Defense Position Monsters and Ra gain Atk through Tributes as well and make the Life cost chooseable.
Excellent video, keep up the good work ❤️
One effect you missed was that Slifer and Ra count as Dragons for the purposes of your own cards in edition to Divine. Obelisk might also count as something else, Fiend or something i don't know, it's never been stated as far as i know.
But im sure there is enough generic dragon support to pull off some insanity with them.
3:11 Obelisk's infinite ATK effect only happens when it tributes Slifer and Ra specifically, to my knowledge.
3:54 Obelisk can't attack in the same turn because the Raigeki effect os treated as an attack. The idea is that it's attacking every monster your opponent controls, and sometimes your opponent as well, which is why in games like The Sacred Cards Obelisk additionally burns the opponent for 4000 LP.
In the show Yugi used Marik's Godslime to get infinite attack because Godslime counts as two tributes.
Hey Dzeef thanks for the video I agree 💯 that they should make more Egyptian God support so that they are actually a decent deck to play with in one way or another. Also I lost me old email and had to make a new one I am now a new subscriber but with my other account I was subscribed for 7 yrs. Enjoy your content have a great day.
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I wish Konami would just errata the god cards to have their Manga/anime effects or at least give them proper protection
If the monster tiering system was added to the next master rule it would be crazy
To be completely accurate, you can only use Ra if you can read ancient Egyptian
I wish they gave them the 'cannot be removed by card effects' protection at least, instead of all the support cards we got . They could've done that and limit them to 1 gd card per deck