SilencerCO ASR Mount Are There Issues?
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- Опубликовано: 9 сен 2024
- Is the SilencerCO ASR Mount flawed? Or is it just user error when a suppressor goes flying off the host? In this video I talk about the design and use of the ASR mount and my opinion about it after using it and competing with it for several years.
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There are too many videos of ASR mounted cans eating belt-fed full-auto cyclic strings for me to believe that it isn't user error. I mean hell, the suppressor meltdown video was between 350-400 continuous rounds before the can melted, and the mount was still on the muzzle device.
There are no flaws with the ASR mount design. My opinion on the ASR mounts is that is a great option that allows use of the suppressor in many weapon platforms that have the adapters installed. Attention to details is a most. As with any firearm, attention to details is a no brainer. Great instructional video. Thank you..
Thanks for watching! User error sure seems to be the main issue that people have with the ASR mount. I haven't had any issues with mine.
This makes me feel better. I'm still waiting on my stamp for my hybrid and recently bought the asr mount, 5.56 asr muzzle brake and asr single port muzzle brake 9mm for my cz scorprion. Glad to hear you have had no problems. Thank for posting
Thanks for watching! Just make sure you get it screwed all the way down and the lock collar closed and you shouldn't have any issues!
Love my single port break with the saker 762 on my 300blk 8inch build. Have the aero gen2 enhanced 10inch rail that covers the suppressor and gives me more room for attachments and grip.
I've been shooting the Omega 300 using 556, 300, and 30.06, for the past several months. Once it's been properly seated, there was no play. The craftsmanship of the Omega is solid. I am sure the makers have thoroughly put the mounts through vigorous testing before releasing it to the public. I believe it was user error that may have caused the malfunction.
I agree, it locks up just fine when used properly. Thanks for watching!
I agree once you lock it up you can feel the tightness. I find it hard to unlock mine sometimes but it’s not a con to me cause it lets me know it’s locked tf down😂
ASR Mount work fine, user error seems right on the money.
That seems to be the common thread for most of the reports I’ve seen.
@@AdventureColorado Hey AC, how much force does it take to lock the collar on an ASR mount? My biggest concern was threading the suppressor on correctly, locking the collar, and then in some scenario out in the field, you brush the suppressor against cover and it unlocks the collar without you knowing. How likely is this scenario based on your use of the ASR mount?
Everything Wrong With CinemaSins it really doesn’t take much force to lock and unlock it. I haven’t noticed any issues with it unlocking while carrying it hunting or during field matches, but it is possible.
@@everythingwrongwithcinemas194 I really doubt it. It doesn't take a lot of force, but it takes enough force in the right direction that unintentional unlocking is highly unlikely, IMO.
I have ASR muzzle brakes on three rifles, 22-250, 300 BlkOut and a .308. Only problem I had was removing the silencer after shooting but using choke grease before mounting the silencer solved that problem. I frequently check to make sure the silencer is snugged up while I'm shooting, just like the book says, but my Omega has always stayed tight.
Great advice, I'm sure that would help.
Where do you get choke grease?
@@mattobanion2264 your local gun store or any online gun supply store just ask for choke grease
@@davidcollinsworth3469 it just hit me shotgun choke grease ....
What do you think about the SilencerCO ASR mount vs the other options out there? I've been happy with it so far, but would love to hear what you think.
Just received stamp #4 on Friday, a SAKER 762 ASR. Put several rounds through it Saturday and really am pleased with my purchase. I think this mount will be just fine and looks to be robust. If you pay attention to every aspect of shooting and don't get in a hurry, the mount should lock up true every time. I am a bit pedantic though, I even hand throw and weigh every charge when loading .223 plinking ammo. Solid review, thanks for taking the time to do it.
Thanks for watching! I agree with paying attention, that is important with every aspect of shooting.
You’re correct on the user error. I was shooting my hybrid at night on Scar17 heard the ratcheting click and thought I was good. Blew a hole through my end cap and sent my can about 10 yards down range. Always double check it.
Right of passage lol
Same happened to me.
I did the same thing!
As someone who has shot his hybrid downrange, its def user error. That day I was tired and moving fast and did exactly what is described in this video, it was ratcheted down but not fully seated. Luckily I was shooting .223 and the internal baffles are sized to .45 so I only struck the aluminum front end-cap. It was kinda funny watching the suppressor fly down the range like a 40mm, If not completely embarrassing. I wanted a system that locked over a muzzle brake and the asr still seems like a good option. A few folks have recommended upgrading to the dead air system but being $300+ into ASR with multiple brakes, spending that money again seems like a bad investment seeing as how overpriced the attachments are.
Thanks for the first hand report, it seems like most of these stories are the “I know a guy” type stories. I appreciate the detail on the chain of events that ended up with a suppressor down range.
it's only been about a month and a half since i got my form 4 approval, but i've fired probably 1500+ rounds out of my omega, through 4 different guns. i really like the asr system. i think people have a tendency to make a mistake and instead of owning it, they get all salty and place blame of whatever they wrecked. it's a real easy mounting system. super easy to not mess up
I agree, simple to lock it up correctly.
It is very easy to adjust the locking tension of the ASR mount. The loops on the locking spring can be bent out slightly, giving more tension against the locking ring. Lock/unlock the can enough and this adjustment will need to be done eventually.
I have a bunch of 3 lug adapters for my Omega 45K and Gemtech Multi-mount 9. I just learned to mark the top of the suppressor after zeroing the gun; and, shooting it suppressed with a POI at 4 o’clock of bullseye unsuppressed. At 25 yards POI is about 1” from bullseye. I have a MAAD mount for Saker 556 and ASR for Specwar 762. I love my MAAD Mount.
I changed to the ASR mount from the MAAD mount. IMHO the MAAD mount was dangerous, as I had several instances of my Saker flying downrange when I thought the mount was securely locked onto the flash hider. Apparently SilencerCo agreed, as they don't supply anything with the MAAD mount anymore. The ASR is a much better mount, you do have to be mindful of the teeth inside the locking ring being lined up with the collar on the flash hider, but that's easy to figure out. If the locking ring doesn't rotate easily, you're not lined up right. Just snug the suppressor a hair and the locking ring will rotate easily into place.
I use only the Trifecta flash hider, I no longer use a muzzle brake. The brake is a pain to line up just right on initial install, and the blast from the brake is outrageous. With a 7.5" 5.56, I literally thought the rifle had exploded in my hands.
The muzzle brake is a pain to line up properly. I like to use them as I think of them as a sacrificial blast baffle for the suppressor. My guns with muzzle brakes are almost never shot without the suppressor though, so I don't usually worry to much about the concussion of the brake.
I agree totally, I've had my asr omega 30 can for about the same time and never a problem
Good to hear! It seems to be user error more often than not.
@@AdventureColorado Ya, even one of my gun builders grabbed it after I put it on and was starting to mess with it, I said don't jack with it. I think a lot of them are more used to direct thread
I'm looking at Omega 300 and Sandman S. Did your Omega ever seize with the ASR mount? Also, did you have to mark the Omega in order to consistently repeat any shot shift? Thanks!
@@pshhyeahh if you get it real hot you have to let it cool off before removing, and it times up the same every time, no change in impact
I have owned an Omega 300 for about 3 years and have multiple ASR mounts on other AR platforms. While I find the ASR seems secure enough and I have never had any problems with it becoming loose, and I acknowledge that user error may contribute to a loose fit, my problems are the opposite. Once it goes on a rifle, it will NOT come off. To date, I have had to use a strap wrench, soak it in penetrating oil, disassemble the can, and soak the mount. All at various times. I have taken it to a gunsmith and to a machine shop. All scratch their heads and say 'hmm. Maybe it was carbon?" Last time out, I cleaned the gun and ASR threads and lubed them. Mounted the can, just snug enough to close the lock ring, and put the rifle in the safe. Last week (3 months later), the can is stuck to the mount again. The can will unscrew from the mount. The ASR brake will unscrew from the rifle (that takes a LOT of effort) but the can will not break loose from the mount. Yes, the lock ring is retarded. I am thinking seriously about putting all my ASR stuff on GB or Ebay and switching to something else.
That is unfortunate that you have so many problems with it seizing up. I have noticed that mine will occasionally seize, usually on newer muzzle brakes that haven't been used much. I've also noticed it if I shoot a lot through an AR and get it really hot and dirty, but usually I just need a little extra force to get it off. I don't think I have ever had to get out the strap wrench to get it off.
@@AdventureColorado I was discussing this issue with a friend and fellow shooter yesterday. He kept pointing out that I should have removed the can after shooting allowing it to cool while unmounted. It took me some effort to get it across that the can and gun WERE cool, both had been cleaned then stored with the can mounted. I have had to do exactly what is seen in one of SilCo's videos on what it looks like when a can is disassembled and has to be returned to get the mount removed from the suppressor. I don't shoot full auto, or do mag dumps. Ammo costs too much. :)
Mine has worked fine up to 308 but I launched it almost 100 yards at an indoor range with my 7mm rem mag, no baffle strike.
So I found this video while looking for information on the Lantac Dragon ASR muzzle break......
I've been using my SilencerCo Hybrid on everything from my .45 acp 1911 to my 7.62.39 AR-47 and even my Ruger Precision in 6.5 Creedmor and have yet to have a single issue. So long as you make sure that you properly seat and thread the ASR mount on there shouldn't be any issues. As mentioned in some of the comments below, choke grease will go a long way to making sure that there is no carbon lock and it will make taking off the can much easier.
Thanks for the feedback, the issues definitely appear to be user related.
Excellent discussion and content. I don’t own any ASR devices but enjoyed hearing your perspective.
Thanks for watching!
I had a 36M go flying (into a lake- no lie) with an ASR mount. The locking mech was always loose on that thing. It almost slid back and forth by itself. After I recovered the can, there was a baffle strike. SilencerCo fixed it no problem and replaced the mount. I have much more confidence in the thing now. Did I mount it while the lever was locked? I thought not, but I guess it's possible.
Agreed on the user error, being that it happened to me once. After realizing what I did and luckily avoiding a baffle strike, hasn't happened since. One thing I deal with regularly on my ASR Mount is seizing. Even with anti-seize it happens regularly. Usually trying to put on a rifle that hasn't been shot yet that day. Anyone else, or have you done a video on that? Thanks.
I haven't done a video on seizing. I've been pretty fortunate in that I haven't had much of an issue with it. I've had it be tight a few times, but I haven't had to use tools to remove it yet.
Based on what you said ("Usually trying to put on a rifle that hasn't been shot yet that day.") I am almost entirely sure your seizing has to do with putting a hot can on a cold gun. That's a major no-no with ASR. When a can's threads are hot, they are slightly expanded. After mounting, when the can's threads cool they contract back down and lock-up to the host's threads causing a seize.
I think most people claiming this, like you said, aren't locking down their asr properly, and i also think they aren't using rocksett to keep their muzzle device from walking off.
Agreed, Rocksett is an important step in setting up the muzzle brake. I haven't had a muzzle brake loosen up with a proper install.
I've had no problems with my Omega using an ASR mount on a handful of rifles in both 556 and 300 BO.
Good to know! It definitely sounds like what most people are experiencing.
Thanks so much for the information I just got my first suppressor Omega 300.
Enjoy the Omega!
Do you enjoy the Omega? Any regrets or wish you got something else?
Carson Lee I have no regrets with the Omega, I consider adding a Chimera or Saker for heavier use or a Thunder Beast for precision. But I would continue to use the Omega.
Never have a problem with mine!
Good to hear, that seems to be the most common theme.
Waiting on A Hybrid and Omega. The cans flying off could have been for poor threading job or malalignment of the can to the bore. An alignment rod will tell you right away if there is an alignment issue. Its a no brainer to use them.
You're right about the alignment, I don't shoot any new gun with a suppressor on it without verifying that the alignment is correct. I even double check occasionally with guns that I have been running for awhile.
Outstanding video. Clear as water.
Thanks for watching!
I have a SilencerCo SpecWar. It has the ASR mount. Been rocking it for a few years now. No issues. Been using stock ASR muzzle breaks. I just ordered up a Lantac Dragon ASR mount. I have heard great things on it. Figured id give it a try. I got an AR that i dont always want to shoot supressed but want the capability to and wanted a better muzzle device then an A2 flash hider. I have always wanted to try the dragon and seen this and i was like yep lets try this.
You'll have to let me know how the Lantac Dragon works out, I've wondered about those myself.
You'll have to let me know how the Lantac Dragon works out, I've wondered about those myself.
@@AdventureColorado i just got it. Im hoping to shoot with it in the next couple of weeks.
@@AdventureColorado i finally got to test the Lantac Dragon ASR. I absolutely love it. If i could replace all my ASR mounts to the Dragon ASR i would. But i dont feel like dropping another $500 plus on mounts haha. Definitely worth every penny.
Ryan T thanks for the follow up. The cost to switch definitely a big factor once you start buying a half dozen + mounts for a certain system.
Just do it correctly.
My thought exactly!
I have a Chimera, and I have had issues with it unlocking itself (on a MK107 PWS 7.75"). I make sure I engage the taper and then lock it down. Double check it and its solid. After some rapid fire strings, its worked itself loose. I have never had an issue with Q Plan B and have just recently switched to it. In my opinion the ASR mount is complete trash.
Interesting, I haven’t seen one ever unlock while firing. Granted, the shortest I’ve fired it in is a 10.5” barrel. SilencerCO does have a video about how to adjust it, that could help.
@@AdventureColorado Theres a reddit post that I found a while back where the engineer that designed the ASR admitted that there's a problem with the design. He no longer works for SilencerCo, but I have had to purchase anti-seize compound to prevent the carbon lock. I coat the threads lightly with the anti-seize, if i dont i have to use a rubber mallet. The ASR could work, but the taper lock is too short on the surface. If you get a chance to checkout the Plan B and the Cherry Bomb by Q, you'll see the taper lock surface area is at least 2-3x as long as the ASRs. I have seen on my Cherry Bomb to have some heat leak into the taper lock, but never penetrate all the way. Seeing that has convinced me that the ASR is a flawed design if you have high pressure weapons firing at a rapid rate. If your shooting for accuracy, I don't think the issue presents itself as I haven't had much issue on my bolt action in 308 @ 18". Also the Cherry Bomb w/ Plan B mount will save you close to 2 oz and shorten the overall lengths almost 3/4".
Thank you for this wisdom.
Thanks for watching!
The ASR mount is very well made and very reliable, the only way people are launching their cans is most definitely due to operator error.
Agreed!
I like the ASR but the only thing I don't like is you can definitely think its locked when you are under night vision so you may turn it into a rocket but overall solid mount
I haven't had the opportunity to run it under NVGs, but I can see the potential issues with that.
You guys should try Q Plan B mount, shorter, lighter, simpler. The best.
They look nice, but I have too much invested in ASR to make it worth switching.
ive had NO trouble with my ASR mount on 2 AR15's, Bergara b14 HMR and a Thompson Center Venture II
works perfectly
Great feedback, thanks for watching.
I use the keymo by dead air on my 300.
That’s a popular choice for those that switch it out.
It amazes me that anyone wouldn't verify it is in the unlocked position prior to attaching it.
It seems to happen though.
I'm going with Key MO
Mainly bought my hybrid for my AR9
That should work well, the KeyMO would work well if you are trying to mount under the handguard where you can't access the ASR lock ring.
@@AdventureColorado looking forward to it 🙃🙃
ive used the asr mount with my omega and i swap the silencer between 4-5 guns. 0 issues, i dont see how it could possible come off the gun. Use rocksett on the actual mount
Thanks for the response, so far that is the common theme, not just for me, but everyone that has commented as well.
No problems seizing or shots shifting on ASR? Thanks.
@@pshhyeahh there can be a slight shift but its always been repeatable for me from gun to gun
Absolutely correct! User error indeed. ASR is a good system!
Thanks for watching!
Great video!
Thanks for watching!
Dead Air is coming out with a mount you can use with a omega.
Their Key-Mo mount for the omega is currently available through SilencerShop. When I just checked they are currently in stock.
bit.ly/2rH6ZWo Here is the adapter on Brownells
@@AdventureColorado would you recommend the keymo over the asr for a first time can buyer?
@JASON VOORHEES Why this over the Keymo?
Only issue I’ve ever had with my asr mount was when swapping it from a hot barrel to a another gun that was cold and it seized. I got it off but it was a pita.
I have noticed that a couple times as well.
I use choke grease on my ASR mount, makes taking it odd a lot easier.
Found this video while searching on how to get a stuck ASR mount OFF a suppressor. I always use high temp lube on all my suppressor threads but the 300PRC use has locked this on y Hybrid46. I put it in a vise and used a strap tool to hold but this thing isn’t budging. Any recommendations would be helpful. Thanks
Usually I’m able to get it off with the tool that comes with the suppressor. If that doesn’t work, usually some oil such as gun oil or penetrating oil to soak it.
I have used this supressor on a 28 Nosler bolt gun and interchange between rifles without issue.
Thanks for the input, I haven’t heard any reports from Nosler users.
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I am waiting on my SilencerCo Omega. How often do you clean yours? I will be using mine in a 300 BlackOut and 6.5 Grendel. Good video on the ASR mount
I actually haven’t cleaned it at all.
when using the ASR mount have you noticed any audible difference when screwing it on a flash hider verses the muzzle break?
No, once the suppressor is on I can’t tell a difference.
Do you think that speed aside, direct thread is a better attachment method? I have a 36M on order and want to use the best and most secure method, which appears to be direct thread with a basic thread protector or comp when not using the can. ASR used correctly seems just as good, but just a bit faster.
A lot of precision shooters prefer direct thread, which in theory should have a little less potential movement when mounted. With direct thread you will have to check the can occasionally to make sure that it doesn't loosen while shooting. It's also less convenient if you are trying to mount to hosts with different thread pitches.
I have a Saker 556 and a Specwar 762. I’m buying another ASR Adapter for my new 8.3” Galil Ace Gen 2, I will invest in more mounts and blast shields to protect my Adapters. 🙄 oh, also to be a friendly shooter for those shooters on each side of me at the range 🙄. 🤣🤣
Nice, just like me it sounds like you are heavily invested in the ASR mounts.
@@AdventureColorado I actually like the MAAD Mount better, but they discontinued it in ‘16. I’ll probably end buying another ASR Mount for the Saker for Christmas; IF, LGB’s Inflation doesn’t become a depression.
MAAD was a good option. I think they had some issues with it and that's why the ASR survived and MAAD didn't. But, I never actually used MAAD so I can't speak from experience.
Wondering if there isn't an issue as the Bravo ASR mount has been out of stock everywhere for months now.
It’s possible, but it also hasn’t been a great time to find anything in stock. I haven’t been able to find a DeadAir 1/2x28 piston all year so far.
@@AdventureColorado I have found all the ASR muzzle breaks for the rifle side, just not the suppressor side.
I see what you mean, keep watching, I have the pistons on watch lists for several of the sites I usually buy from.
So its the year 2020. What's the best mount out? Or what mounts are you guys using that are working great?
I don't know that there is really a "best" mount. Everyone is going to have an opinion on what they have used and like. The ASR has worked just fine for me, but there are a lot of other good option out there. In general you get stuck into a mount style when you choose your suppressor.
My opinion surefire has the best “mount” for attach and detach for suppressors. Super fast and solid. The only issue I have with my omega is once unlocked the suppressor body seems to unlock before the ASR mount so I end up using the tool to detach the suppressor
Just ordered my first suppressor. SilencerCo 36m. When you install the suppressor will it always be oriented in the same location or does it sometimes orient at a different location. Ie 12 oclock vs 3 oclock vs 5 oclock etc. Does a very small variation effect repeatability?
In my experience it will line up the same each time for a specific gun. Variations can cause point of impact shifts, but any shift is minor enough in my setups for match shooting that I am comfortable taking the suppressor off in between matches and knowing that it will be close enough that I won't be able to notice a difference on steel down range.
Did you get your silencer yet?
@@Boringunguy yes. It was approved in 4 months. It's pretty cool. I have used it on 9mm 223, 22.
@@phatspanky1 awesome. I just got mine back in a bit over 4 months too. Same can. It’s so fun to shoot. Not so fun to clean afterwords lol
I guess I just got unlucky on my asr and omega 36. Bitch baffle struck on the first round. I'm officially switching to keymo.
Did you check for alignment? Best case is using an alignment rod, but I never fire a round through a gun that I haven't shot suppressed without at least looking down the barrel and making sure I don't see the suppressor.
Now that I say this it'll happen .. even my old specwar with worn-out ratchet teeth the only problem I have is it gets stuck on. The bump in the night heat of combat I don't care if the suppressors on or not I'm not sure what people are worried about there is better designs but are they really? Maybe the Q
I have noticed it wanting to get stuck if you shoot a lot of rounds and then let the suppressor completely cool off on the mount. Typically it isn't a problem with bolt action rifles, but I have noticed it with semi-autos.
Qs get stuck too. Tapers are cool, if you apply a bit of torque, which defeats the purpose.
I use a small bead of choke grease when putting the silencer on the ASR, keeps it from seizing.
I've witnessed a launch. My buddy didn't lock it properly . 1st round. 20ft. User error 100%
The comments have confirmed that it is almost always user error. It annoys me that a lot of forums and online comments claim that the design is failing.
Do you like the anchor brake ????
I haven’t tried it with a flat front cap, but so far I haven’t felt a need to.
So if I have multiple suppressors do I need multiple ASR mounts?
You will need an ASR mount for each rifle you want to mount a suppressor to. Once you have the mount, any suppressor with the ASR adapter will mount to that rifle. I have both an Omega and a Hybrid that I can install on any of my rifles with the mounts already installed.
AdventureColorado I worded that incorrectly.. I have the muzzle brakes that are all ASR bravo.. I have 3 guns, I have 2 suppressors.. are most people getting 3 asr adapters? Or just moving 1 between 2 suppressors?
I like having the adapter on each suppressor, that way I don’t have to disassemble it to switch to a different one.
What disadvantages wth Keymo?
Its heavy and is longer than the ASR. For that you get a mount that works.
That design is flawed man. A baffle or end cap strike is very dangerous and as such there needs to be a fool proof way or visual or audible indicator that confirms you got it screwed on correctly.
I just recently shot off my Hybrid that I've used for 6+ years thinking I had screwed it on as I normally do.
Think about it, if this many people have done it, there's an issue. SilencerCo should at least have sent out a warning or recall or something about it.
While it would be convenient to have an indicator that it is screwed on all the way, you could say the same thing about a direct thread suppressor. It's all the way on when it has been screwed in as far as it will go. The thing that you have to be careful of is the locking collar.
Q Plan B is the best mount ever nuff said.
sounds like user error
Definitely user error and then blaming the mount. Reminds me of people who order things on Amazon, drop and break them, then write a bad review blaming the product lol. Just follow the instructions
YOU CANNOT MOUNT WITH A CRUSH WASHER! Use the timing shims and tighten to spec using a thread locker but do not wrench so balls tight that you cant the Flash suppressor/brake. A very slight deviation from true on it will end up with a fraction of an inch from center at the end of your silencer resulting in a baffle strike!
Crush washers should never be used for any muzzle device used to mount a suppressor.
Can they make an idiot proof mount?
Some are certainly easier to use than others.
@@AdventureColorado looking into the Keymo platform.
The Keymo Mount seems to be a great option, I just don’t have any personal experience with it.
Idiot proof? Direct thread.
Even with direct thread some people have cross-threaded the suppressor or damaged the threads when the suppressor is off.
It’s just you man
It's just me that is having flawless performance?
bUt Muh TapERs
Taking the rail off isn’t a big deal. If you are
Running a suppressor under the rail you will be running it 99% if the time.
It does depend on the use. I run suppressed 99% of the time, but frequently move the suppressors between different hosts and rarely store the suppressor on the gun if it isn't being used, or specifically set up for home defense or duty use.
@@AdventureColorado then that’s a completely different setup. If you have 1 can you use on a lot of your guns then not a good idea. Still super easy and quick to remove a handguard.
If you want to leave it dedicated on the gun, or don't need to switch it a lot that's a great point. I like to run thinner handguards now and like to have the suppressor right in front.
Or just use the direct thread endcap for under the hand guard mount.
That's a great option and ships with the Omega.
If you are buying a suppressor AND STILL using hearing protection then WHY DID YOY WASTE SO MUCH on effectively NOTHING?! Do your homework… ZERO 5.56 is worth buying a suppressor for OTHER than for flash suppression since the entire point of the tiny 5.56 is the speed. Use any subsonic 5.56 and might as well be throwing rocks. So suppressors are used for BIG SLOW moving projectiles that still are very effective due to the weight of each projectile and not the speed. So why bother pay a grand or more for a suppressor that still requires the same hearing protection than if the suppressor wasn’t used?! People just want to LOOK cool to really only idiots that don’t know the logic behind ballistics and all that goes with it.
Have you used a suppressor? There are more advantages than just sound suppression. Even with a supersonic projectile, the overall report of the rifle is reduced, not to mention the reduction in flash, recoil, concussion, etc.
Despite your rant about "idiots that don't know the logic behind ballistics" there are a large number of competitive shooters that use suppressors with supersonic rounds.