So now we have people spending a lot of time DMing their mediocre music to random strangers in order to get streams on Spotify. Then Spotify pays them 12 Cents for all those streams and keeps the lion's share. Wouldn't it be better to spend that time making good music? I am asking for a friend.
It’s more than just make good music. Music is subjective my friend..you have to work the record in many different ways, promotion, Dms, playlists, all kinds of methods. Thats why they call it “working a record”. For major labels this can take months, what makes you think its easier work for an indie artist. This industry is not for the meek.. it takes dedication and business acumen.
I completely agree with you, and this stuff is really not my cup of tea, BUT... all the major artists are kinda doing the same thing, just with a much bigger budget and better contacts. Marketing is everything. There's not a single big artist right now who didn't have strong willpower, connections, or a budget to make it big. They mostly lie about getting discovered or signed purely by talent, and that lie also serves as a marketing tool.
Guys, can you give advice to someone starting out at zero, i mean absolutely none prior social media presence? I have been making music for quite some years but never bothered sharing. I have an album done now but no idea how to get anyone to recognize that music. Made an Instagram and tiktok account and am trying to be active every day, did upload on Spotify but 0 plays lol. A video on that topic would be so super helpful. Anyways, appreciate your videos, I'm slowly learning from you. 👍
OK, so apparently someone (the creator?) deleted my reply for me posting a link I believe. So I just let you know without it, I make electronic music, multi genre kind of.
@@Keith-cc8udKeith, start off with releasing a single, and when that’s out build your Artist followings with Pandora, RUclips and Spotify before releasing more of your music.
These are amazing! Thank you both....I would definitely would like to hear your opinions for EDM bedroom producers who does not have any live performances ( No dj'ing or anything ).
Regarding the search for editors of my genre - I did everything as you said, but LinkedIn does not give access to their profile! Tell me where else I can find Spotify editors to send them my music?🤔
We never said send them your music, that will not work. Worth watching that section again as sending your music to an editor will just get you blocked as every artist and their mum has tried that
Exactly where on Spotify for artist do I find premium vs free listeners? Trying to look for it in the audience sections through filters but cant find anything...
via our membership we do yeah. It depends what you need from us and the question you have in mind. We don't want people paying for consultancy calls if they're not going to get something of significance out of it.
Ehhh, as someone who just makes beats, I think it’s better for an artist now especially independent to go to Direct to consumer a little cult following of 10-20k people can really support a music career, $5-10 an album with merch, will beat any streaming revenue.
If you send a pitch, do only people from your country that work at Spotify see it? Or does it go everywhere. I heard that my country is so small, there is only one person currently working for Spotify. 1+1= 2 as in, labels are friends and get one step ahead. Not a lot of spots left for independents in our playlists. I actually see almost none. But if I pitch, could they also put it in broader playlists? Does It go to other people? Or are the independents from my country just F*cked?
I feel the same way, would be nice to have a reply to this. The tech of a global streaming platform is such a great opportunity to connect artists and fans in the same genre across the globe, but it feels as if one instead gets ring-fenced into a local market?
Where does the screenshot of the percentage come from? A specific distributor? I have never seen that information available anywhere before. Also a topic that I have seen very little information about is the "Like-percentage", you can calculate this yourself by taking likes/listeners from spotify for artists. I think this is a very good metric but havn't seen so many artists share this data to compare. Keep up the good work!
@@Burstimo What distributor does the premium screenshot come from? I have used many distributors but haven't seen it before. Regarding like-percentage, of course likes on songs can be faked, but I don't believe it is a common issue, since it is only available to the artist self in Spotify for artists. And it is the number 1 factor I use to see how popular my different songs are, but depends on how things where the song gets it streams from, algorithmic or playlists etc.
We’ve been feautured on several playlists without any pitching or marketing. Don’t forget that the song is what matters the most! Great channel. Liked and subscribed.
Not yourself via S4A na, but a good distributor may be able to give it a bit of a post-release push but you have to have some momentum already for that.
Guys, thank you very much for this gold mine of knowledge! All these insights are so invaluable and really boost confidence and desire to try even more strategies as an artist❤️🙏!
The whole DM'ing every follower of a Spotify Editor is pretty hardcore man lol. That's 857 DM's for the first Editor example. Beyond the logistical pain of actually doing that, isn't there a risk of pissing people off ? Or does that not bother people in the industry? That advice is more shocking to me than telling Spotify which playlists you likely fit best on in your submission. And are you sending like a link to Soundcloud before the song is out I guess with some generic note about who you are/why you are spamming these people? It's not like you can link the Spotify/released track since the point is to get onto editorial playlists which happen before the song is out.
the LinkedIn tips are GENIUS!! mind = blown Would you guys recommend editing the SFA editorial pitch once it's been submitted? Thank you so SO much for everything you do, you guys are AMAZING!
Bah sorry to let you down but I don't ride motorbikes. My Caterham is maintained by a company called Krazy Horse who also sell motorbikes and merch and I really liked the T-shirt that they had for sale lol
@@Justforcoms had a few projects sell 500 copies here and there, small runs, vinyl and cd etc. BTW, attempting to question me on my personal things doesn't discredit my initial point, that one cd sale is worth 5000 streams.
@@UncleBenjs I’m not trying to discredit you on personal things… my points is that it doesn’t matter how many streams a CD is worth because nobody buys/sells CDs
save yourself the time of the video, we hear the same advice over and over ignoring the fact Spotify pays close to nothing and same are the chances of Spotify choosing YOUR MUSIC over whatever major label artist they have contracts with. lets be realistic here pls :)
not to mention Spotify would need literally thousands of employees just listening to pitches all day if they were to actually listen to all of them. I don't know how they can claim they do
@@rossmusic25 what did I miss? The right way to pitch to Spotify? The credibility? So many fake artists with alias get in editorial playlists without any presence anywhere
@@eltonwild5648 you can tell who is fake and who isn’t if they actually have a social presence where they have videos of them on their socials interacting with their viewers
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How do we find out the % of premium listeners? I can't seem to find that in Spotify For Artists.
Hi! Great stuff. Where can we find the percentage of Premium listeners? As your form asks for it. Thanks!
@@prodbyrog3r278 your distributor account
you guys have come a long way from the content you used to make, very thought provoking
You both have been so good and consistently honest with the music community that’s for hard work!
I always like the really pragmatic, granular advice that you give.
So now we have people spending a lot of time DMing their mediocre music to random strangers in order to get streams on Spotify. Then Spotify pays them 12 Cents for all those streams and keeps the lion's share. Wouldn't it be better to spend that time making good music? I am asking for a friend.
It’s more than just make good music.
Music is subjective my friend..you have to work the record in many different ways, promotion, Dms, playlists, all kinds of methods.
Thats why they call it “working a record”. For major labels this can take months, what makes you think its easier work for an indie artist. This industry is not for the meek.. it takes dedication and business acumen.
I completely agree with you, and this stuff is really not my cup of tea, BUT... all the major artists are kinda doing the same thing, just with a much bigger budget and better contacts. Marketing is everything. There's not a single big artist right now who didn't have strong willpower, connections, or a budget to make it big. They mostly lie about getting discovered or signed purely by talent, and that lie also serves as a marketing tool.
That first tip is so freaking smart
Guys, can you give advice to someone starting out at zero, i mean absolutely none prior social media presence? I have been making music for quite some years but never bothered sharing. I have an album done now but no idea how to get anyone to recognize that music. Made an Instagram and tiktok account and am trying to be active every day, did upload on Spotify but 0 plays lol. A video on that topic would be so super helpful.
Anyways, appreciate your videos, I'm slowly learning from you. 👍
Hello 😊😊What kind of music u make btw??🎉🎉😊😊😊
OK, so apparently someone (the creator?) deleted my reply for me posting a link I believe. So I just let you know without it, I make electronic music, multi genre kind of.
@@Keith-cc8udKeith, start off with releasing a single, and when that’s out build your Artist followings with Pandora, RUclips and Spotify before releasing more of your music.
@@OfficialStevenCravishe's asking HOW 😂
Watch this video again because it's just about that.
These are amazing! Thank you both....I would definitely would like to hear your opinions for EDM bedroom producers who does not have any live performances ( No dj'ing or anything ).
This is great ! Gave some really great ideas ! Thank y’all always for great insight . Cheers
That's interesting about the LinkedIn stuff, have you guys gotten good resukts from it, and how much of a budget do you think is good enough to spend?
Yeah it sounds like it's just an idea they came up with, but haven't thoroughly tested out.
Hey guys! How do you find how many premium listeners I have on Spotify for artists? Really want to get your feedback on my audience. Thanks!
Regarding the search for editors of my genre - I did everything as you said, but LinkedIn does not give access to their profile! Tell me where else I can find Spotify editors to send them my music?🤔
We never said send them your music, that will not work. Worth watching that section again as sending your music to an editor will just get you blocked as every artist and their mum has tried that
@@Burstimo "And then, I want you to DM every single one of them your track." 0:38
@@cosmoticking7012 who they follow
Thanks for the amazing content again, you guys kill it!
When you say to dm the editors following, should we do that on release day or prior to that?
Exactly where on Spotify for artist do I find premium vs free listeners? Trying to look for it in the audience sections through filters but cant find anything...
it will be with your distributor but not all offer this
Thank you for a very informative video 🙏
What does the initial DM sound like when you dm the track? Permission based? Or just send it?
what number of Editorial playlists would you suggest is the right amount for your pitch?
2-3 - small, medium, large
Very insightful.
You guys do one on one calls at all?
via our membership we do yeah. It depends what you need from us and the question you have in mind. We don't want people paying for consultancy calls if they're not going to get something of significance out of it.
Hey, great video. What do you think about messaging the editors themselves? Would this be a bad idea?
they receive too many messages, avoid doing this
Ehhh, as someone who just makes beats, I think it’s better for an artist now especially independent to go to Direct to consumer a little cult following of 10-20k people can really support a music career, $5-10 an album with merch, will beat any streaming revenue.
If you send a pitch, do only people from your country that work at Spotify see it? Or does it go everywhere. I heard that my country is so small, there is only one person currently working for Spotify. 1+1= 2 as in, labels are friends and get one step ahead. Not a lot of spots left for independents in our playlists. I actually see almost none. But if I pitch, could they also put it in broader playlists? Does It go to other people? Or are the independents from my country just F*cked?
I feel the same way, would be nice to have a reply to this. The tech of a global streaming platform is such a great opportunity to connect artists and fans in the same genre across the globe, but it feels as if one instead gets ring-fenced into a local market?
Does Spotify take into account the shows and bands an artist plays with when listed under the events section of an artist’s page?
Where does the screenshot of the percentage come from? A specific distributor? I have never seen that information available anywhere before. Also a topic that I have seen very little information about is the "Like-percentage", you can calculate this yourself by taking likes/listeners from spotify for artists. I think this is a very good metric but havn't seen so many artists share this data to compare. Keep up the good work!
Hard to answer this because every distributor is different. I find that like % can be faked too easily so we haven't focussed on it.
@@Burstimo What distributor does the premium screenshot come from? I have used many distributors but haven't seen it before. Regarding like-percentage, of course likes on songs can be faked, but I don't believe it is a common issue, since it is only available to the artist self in Spotify for artists. And it is the number 1 factor I use to see how popular my different songs are, but depends on how things where the song gets it streams from, algorithmic or playlists etc.
Anyone has contacts at Spotify or in general in the Alt/Folk/Indie scene
How does one check the breakdown of premium subscribers?
your distributor but not all offer it as a feature
Amazing information, thank you!
We’ve been feautured on several playlists without any pitching or marketing. Don’t forget that the song is what matters the most!
Great channel. Liked and subscribed.
Can you pitch a song after it has been released?
Not yourself via S4A na, but a good distributor may be able to give it a bit of a post-release push but you have to have some momentum already for that.
@@Burstimo thank you
Helpful info - thanks again!
Come to Detroit. We're in the midst of a renaissance; artistically, economically and more. It's super cool and you have a place to stay:)
Sent an email but never got a reply unfortunately. Kinda unprofessional.
When you say 'you might have to pay them'... How much are we talking? And what do we do if we don't have the disposable income to pay these people?
but how if the music is from overseas and has a different languages? is it still had chances?
Not unless you're capable of creating a bop as good as this:
open.spotify.com/track/52Zr0sinhWTCRrQhRRY4EP?si=20e23785d26c46b8
thank you John Travolta
Nice.
Guys, thank you very much for this gold mine of knowledge! All these insights are so invaluable and really boost confidence and desire to try even more strategies as an artist❤️🙏!
The whole DM'ing every follower of a Spotify Editor is pretty hardcore man lol. That's 857 DM's for the first Editor example. Beyond the logistical pain of actually doing that, isn't there a risk of pissing people off ? Or does that not bother people in the industry? That advice is more shocking to me than telling Spotify which playlists you likely fit best on in your submission.
And are you sending like a link to Soundcloud before the song is out I guess with some generic note about who you are/why you are spamming these people? It's not like you can link the Spotify/released track since the point is to get onto editorial playlists which happen before the song is out.
the LinkedIn tips are GENIUS!! mind = blown
Would you guys recommend editing the SFA editorial pitch once it's been submitted?
Thank you so SO much for everything you do, you guys are AMAZING!
Thanks Anja! Maddy did also drop you an email earlier today about the survey I mention at the end too.
@@Burstimo that was going to be my second question hehe I can't see the email on my end, SO sorry about that!!
Very informative thanks
200k from Autoplay are you sure
thank you guys
Okay, I'm digging thr Indian Motorcycle shirt. Which model do you ride?
Bah sorry to let you down but I don't ride motorbikes. My Caterham is maintained by a company called Krazy Horse who also sell motorbikes and merch and I really liked the T-shirt that they had for sale lol
@@Burstimo ah, yeah. I know the guys at Krazy Horse. Paul's built a sweet business there, a real adult playground 🤘
I really learn alot from your videos thank you
Fuck spotify, phisical media is the way to go! Buy and own your music!
tard
@@Burstimo Fuck you too for promoting Spotify
@@Burstimo😭😭
@@Burstimocrazy comment from a professional channel 😭
🔥🔥🔥
Very insight
Love you ❤
Great
Anyone know indie folk playlist
Shame its not worth using these parasitic streaming platforms. Better to go direct to audience.
Man that's so true but it's also very hard to get an audience 😢
@@SL004 But if only one person buys your album on CD, that is like getting 5000 streams. If two people buy your CD, that's 10k streams. Etc
@@UncleBenjshow many people have bought your CD?…
@@Justforcoms had a few projects sell 500 copies here and there, small runs, vinyl and cd etc.
BTW, attempting to question me on my personal things doesn't discredit my initial point, that one cd sale is worth 5000 streams.
@@UncleBenjs I’m not trying to discredit you on personal things… my points is that it doesn’t matter how many streams a CD is worth because nobody buys/sells CDs
Ah so nothing about the merits of your craftsmanship, it's just a big stroke game
save yourself the time of the video, we hear the same advice over and over ignoring the fact Spotify pays close to nothing and same are the chances of Spotify choosing YOUR MUSIC over whatever major label artist they have contracts with. lets be realistic here pls :)
not to mention Spotify would need literally thousands of employees just listening to pitches all day if they were to actually listen to all of them. I don't know how they can claim they do
@@mouthwaterofficial this!
Such a long video for saying nothing
You didn’t watch the video
@@rossmusic25 what did I miss? The right way to pitch to Spotify? The credibility?
So many fake artists with alias get in editorial playlists without any presence anywhere
@@eltonwild5648 you can tell who is fake and who isn’t if they actually have a social presence where they have videos of them on their socials interacting with their viewers
You must've had the video muted, at least I hope you did, otherwise there is no hope for you my profile picture-less friend.
@@Burstimo you too
good that subtitles are available cause' i understand only the 10 % of what the girl it's saying
wtf , promotion it's so fucking boring
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