I’ve have a first gen Rav 4 EV with 140k miles. Haven’t taken it this far as I hear it can damage the battery. Recently took mine on the highway for the first time. Truly performative cars
I'm so glad to be wrong! That's a really impressive feat for that old battery. 80-ish miles is a respectable range for a daily commute, I barely ever kick on the engine in my Volt at 60-ish miles of EV range. Also I love your chair mounted EVSE, very ergonomic (for the EVSE)
Maybe even more range than 81 miles because some of the driving required Headlights. The Lighting Circuit was consuming over 150Watts - and that amounts to some lost range. It is still a very useable vehicle for short commutes.
Longer than UNINFORMED people thought. If you look at 2012 Teslas, none of them, barring defect or damage, have reached the warranty eligible 79 percent.
I see you are immune to facts and are prone to conspiracy. However, I am in a charitable mood and am willing to share facts, which you will ignore. Low Voltage Output: Each NiMH AA cell can only give 1.2v, compared to Li-ion cells that can give 3.7v. Long Charging Time: Fast charging NiMH cells can result in damage. Li-ion cells are designed to be fast charged hours. Sensitive to Extreme Temperatures: At extreme temperatures, NiMH voltage output will significantly drop. Li-ion batteries can tolerate these temperatures to some extent.
@@stgeorgee Appreciate your... charity. Lithium wasn't an option when this car came out and wasn't really used in EVs for at least 10 years after it's release. Clearly NiMH had legs (as evidence by the range Declan got in this video 22 years later) and I wonder where we'd be societally and technologically if the tech was allowed to advance unencumbered. Obviously it would be still be supplanted by the vastly superior lithium in the 2010s, but maybe people would have a different view of the reliability of EVs.
I probably would have guessed 80 to 90 miles. The Ford Ranger EV NiMH cells are similar (identical, IIRC), and a refreshed pack on the Ranger EV should get at least 70 to 80 miles in those conditions.
That thing is legit! Nicely done! Next we do the 70 mph highway range test, no? Just have Kyle follow you in the Cybertruck so you can V2V when it dies, ha. I’m guessing 33 miles. Make it happen!
No it wasn't. I had to suffer trough several phones with awful nimh batteries. Or power tools that could drive half of a screw in with one charge after only two years of light use. Li-Ion is so much better.
Note that driving at 35mph only results in 1/4 the air resistance of driving at 70mph. So, driving at the standard OOS speed of 72mph might have resulted in a range of only about 20 miles.
Minor correction. It has 1/8th the air resistance of driving 70mph. But... it's also going 2x as fast. So, power-wise it uses 8x, but energy-wise to accomplish the same distance, 4x. That said, unlike with bicycles, about 50% of a car's power usage is rolling resistance (because of the weight), which is linear with speed. So, that 4x should actually only drop to 2x if he was driving 70. My guess at 70mph would be 40mph. Aging Wheels knows his stuff, and he predicted 38, I think that's spot on.
wonder if thats the same charger that the 1990s s10 pickup ev that The Questionable Garage youtube channel saved from the scrapyard and working on converting it to a tesla battry pack
NIMH chemistry for the win! I thought you'd be doing a highway range test as Out Of Spec does, didnt consider that you probably wouldnt want to be far from your unique paddle charger haha. Used to drive a nickel-based CRZ and that thing's battery still had good capacity at over 100k miles.
When we had our 1990 RAV4 EV at 10 years old and 46,000 miles we got 77 miles with 13 miles remaining using air con heat as needed. We only used B mode on down hill stretches, you may have got better range not using B mode. Can you try that?
NiMH batteries performance improves if you charge-discharge them regularly. If you keep driving this car the range will likely go to 90-100 miles in a few months.
Is the charger external to the vehicle on these or internal? Does that system export DC to the vehicle or is it rectified on board? Lot of people use the term charger loosely now just curious.
@@joeyscleaninglady2877 Charger works as a transformer bringing the voltage from 208/240V to 330V AC. It is then shipped to the car via induction paddle and rectified onboard to 330V DC to charge the battery.
@@alexgirniak8606I believe the charger output is around 44 kHz AC through the paddle "transformer" where the paddle IS the primary, secondary is in charge port.
I haven't watched the full video yet, but I'm guessing around 35 miles. Edit: having watched to the 60 miles range, I'm going to double up and say it will do at least 70 miles. The car has only done 21k in 22 years so clearly there isn't a lot of degradation in that pack.
Manufacturer speciations for range are a blend of highway driving at 65mph and city driving. Your test at such slow speeds is nowhere near "real world" testing. Any EV can get twice the EPA rated mileage by driving at a limited 35-40mph... it's all about Power Consumption... higher speeds mean much higher air drag, as well as tire friction losses. My 2015 i3 gets 60 miles range at normal US highway speeds... but during heavy rush-hour slow traffic at 25-45mph, it used 1/2 of the normal kWh I usually use getting home.
What's the point doing a range test at such low speeds? doesn't Kyle do his range tests at 70 mph? At these speeds a Nissan Leaf could probably make 200 miles?
No one's taking this RAV4 out of town, you're running to school, grocery store, soccer practice. And it might be at home in between some of those things
The I feel called out comment … lol . This said amazing result . What did this cost now used ? I mean what did you pay for it ? Just trying to figure dollars and sense on a 20 year old car . I figure these are rare anyway. A Chevy spark might make more sense and be cheaper (5k for a nice one ?)
Never seen one listed . You’re saying you can get a running one for 5k ? I believe this one was broken when you guys got it. How much labor in the real world did you put in to make it run?
You could actually get a completely running spark for 5K it might not do 82 miles anymore but as long as you use it for local commuting, it should be perfectly fine.
@@roydelpozo4816 most of the labor on this car was research. I spent hours upon hours figuring out how to do what I did and so much just messing around under the hood. Maybe around 40 hours of work total
@@ElectrekGarageso thinking intesla labor terms 200 an hour times 40 hours 8k worth of labor plus parts . Yeah … not worth it to the rest of us . Those of you who can make content of it and monetize it freaking awesome . The rest of us no thank you . Rather buy an early model 3 with no auto pilot ( they are rare but out there on the cheap !)
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I'm honestly flabbergasted that a 20+ year old NiMH battery pack is still pumping out this much range. What a tank!
That's why Chevron bought the patent in 2003 and immediately destroyed the factory and stopped all production
Are you flabbergasted that Chevron bought the patent in 2003 and immediately destroyed the factory and stopped all production?
@@jerquee Chill my dude, I'm not the enemy, I own two EVs
EV's with basic maintenance, can pretty much run forever. Like literally, forever.
@@jerqueeBASF owns the patents now
I’ve have a first gen Rav 4 EV with 140k miles. Haven’t taken it this far as I hear it can damage the battery. Recently took mine on the highway for the first time. Truly performative cars
Wow!!! It went so far. Now we need to do the standard 70-mph test with it 🧐
I'm so glad to be wrong! That's a really impressive feat for that old battery. 80-ish miles is a respectable range for a daily commute, I barely ever kick on the engine in my Volt at 60-ish miles of EV range. Also I love your chair mounted EVSE, very ergonomic (for the EVSE)
It’s the only way I could get it to plug into the outlet!
Whoohoo! You gotta love those NiMH batteries! 🎉
Congrats! Your optimism was misplaced but turned out right!
Also love your PFP
Chevron loved them so much they bought the patent in 2003 and immediately destroyed the factory and stopped all production
Good old NiMH batteries were impressive. I'm hoping LFP and newer chemistries hold up just as well if not more so!
Fantastic result for a 22+ year old battery pack! 😀
Maybe even more range than 81 miles because some of the driving required Headlights. The Lighting Circuit was consuming over 150Watts - and that amounts to some lost range. It is still a very useable vehicle for short commutes.
@@peterduxbury927I’m sure changing to LED bulbs in in the game plan.
I love the chuckle sandwich so in the end, such a funny pod!
That's very impressive range, the thing put up a very good fight! Such a cool old EV.
Wow that is pretty amazing, EV batteries are lasting longer than anyone expected.
Toyota.
Longer than UNINFORMED people thought. If you look at 2012 Teslas, none of them, barring defect or damage, have reached the warranty eligible 79 percent.
Thanks for the video.
Love this channel so much! Glad i discovered it ❤
Unreal!! Really makes you wonder where we’d be today if Chevron didn’t kill NiMH batteries in EVs
I see you are immune to facts and are prone to conspiracy.
However, I am in a charitable mood and am willing to share facts, which you will ignore.
Low Voltage Output: Each NiMH AA cell can only give 1.2v, compared to Li-ion cells that can give 3.7v.
Long Charging Time: Fast charging NiMH cells can result in damage. Li-ion cells are designed to be fast charged hours.
Sensitive to Extreme Temperatures: At extreme temperatures, NiMH voltage output will significantly drop. Li-ion batteries can tolerate these temperatures to some extent.
@@stgeorgee Appreciate your... charity. Lithium wasn't an option when this car came out and wasn't really used in EVs for at least 10 years after it's release. Clearly NiMH had legs (as evidence by the range Declan got in this video 22 years later) and I wonder where we'd be societally and technologically if the tech was allowed to advance unencumbered. Obviously it would be still be supplanted by the vastly superior lithium in the 2010s, but maybe people would have a different view of the reliability of EVs.
It's an absolute shame that American corporate greed held back society again
@@stgeorgee Yet Toyota used the same batteries in the Prius.
Another out of spec channel 😂, im here for it
great test for this old EV. Amazing!!!
I probably would have guessed 80 to 90 miles. The Ford Ranger EV NiMH cells are similar (identical, IIRC), and a refreshed pack on the Ranger EV should get at least 70 to 80 miles in those conditions.
That thing is legit! Nicely done! Next we do the 70 mph highway range test, no? Just have Kyle follow you in the Cybertruck so you can V2V when it dies, ha. I’m guessing 33 miles. Make it happen!
Highway range test once the car is registered
Love it. So cool and your fix was genius. 🤓 Well done 👏
I’d love to have that as a run around dog car 😎
How the hell does this have more range than my Spark EV? Very impressive considering the age and the fact that you had to revive it.
I’m sure if you did a range test at 35 mph in your spark you’d get similar results lol
@@ElectrekGarage Maybe he would get similar results with his Spark EV, but after 22 years???
Nimh was a super chemistry
No it wasn't. I had to suffer trough several phones with awful nimh batteries. Or power tools that could drive half of a screw in with one charge after only two years of light use. Li-Ion is so much better.
Wow, that was a seriously impressive result! Curious to see how it would do in a 70mph range test!
Once it is registered we will do a highway range test!
That is bonkers for such an old battery. Thanks for the name check in the guesses. Dizzy driving Declan
I could easily work with 81 miles. Still taking this with a J1772 mod over a bZ4X and day of the week lol
J1772 mod coming soon!
Note that driving at 35mph only results in 1/4 the air resistance of driving at 70mph. So, driving at the standard OOS speed of 72mph might have resulted in a range of only about 20 miles.
Minor correction. It has 1/8th the air resistance of driving 70mph. But... it's also going 2x as fast. So, power-wise it uses 8x, but energy-wise to accomplish the same distance, 4x. That said, unlike with bicycles, about 50% of a car's power usage is rolling resistance (because of the weight), which is linear with speed. So, that 4x should actually only drop to 2x if he was driving 70. My guess at 70mph would be 40mph. Aging Wheels knows his stuff, and he predicted 38, I think that's spot on.
wonder if thats the same charger that the 1990s s10 pickup ev that The Questionable Garage youtube channel saved from the scrapyard and working on converting it to a tesla battry pack
It is!
NIMH chemistry for the win! I thought you'd be doing a highway range test as Out Of Spec does, didnt consider that you probably wouldnt want to be far from your unique paddle charger haha. Used to drive a nickel-based CRZ and that thing's battery still had good capacity at over 100k miles.
Very impressive indeed.
When we had our 1990 RAV4 EV at 10 years old and 46,000 miles we got 77 miles with 13 miles remaining using air con heat as needed. We only used B mode on down hill stretches, you may have got better range not using B mode. Can you try that?
NiMH batteries performance improves if you charge-discharge them regularly. If you keep driving this car the range will likely go to 90-100 miles in a few months.
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Knew I should have wrote 68mi
now I'm mad I didn't put a range guess on that last video
We need more Hooptie EV range tests!
Is the charger external to the vehicle on these or internal? Does that system export DC to the vehicle or is it rectified on board? Lot of people use the term charger loosely now just curious.
It is an external charging system
It supplies AC which is rectified on board
@@ElectrekGarage Is the charger external? It appears this is just an EVSE exporting AC? The charger is internal to the vehicle not external?
@@joeyscleaninglady2877 Charger works as a transformer bringing the voltage from 208/240V to 330V AC. It is then shipped to the car via induction paddle and rectified onboard to 330V DC to charge the battery.
@@alexgirniak8606I believe the charger output is around 44 kHz AC through the paddle "transformer" where the paddle IS the primary, secondary is in charge port.
Battery upgrade/conversion next... say 2-3 BMW hybrid battery contents giving you about 33kw... ??
I haven't watched the full video yet, but I'm guessing around 35 miles.
Edit: having watched to the 60 miles range, I'm going to double up and say it will do at least 70 miles. The car has only done 21k in 22 years so clearly there isn't a lot of degradation in that pack.
How did this car get 1000 miles per year ?? Nobody ever used it ?
You win NOTHING, Absolutely nothing!!
Glad to be wrong in this direction.
Manufacturer speciations for range are a blend of highway driving at 65mph and city driving. Your test at such slow speeds is nowhere near "real world" testing. Any EV can get twice the EPA rated mileage by driving at a limited 35-40mph... it's all about Power Consumption... higher speeds mean much higher air drag, as well as tire friction losses.
My 2015 i3 gets 60 miles range at normal US highway speeds... but during heavy rush-hour slow traffic at 25-45mph, it used 1/2 of the normal kWh I usually use getting home.
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I’ve gotten a lot of weird comments on my time on RUclips but this one has gotta be one of the weirdest
I was like,why are you wearing black nail polish? Then you mentioned your boyfriend and I understood why.
I feel called out 😂
What's the point doing a range test at such low speeds? doesn't Kyle do his range tests at 70 mph? At these speeds a Nissan Leaf could probably make 200 miles?
Probably because over 70% of driving/commuting is done below highway speeds.
No one's taking this RAV4 out of town, you're running to school, grocery store, soccer practice. And it might be at home in between some of those things
The I feel called out comment … lol . This said amazing result . What did this cost now used ? I mean what did you pay for it ? Just trying to figure dollars and sense on a 20 year old car . I figure these are rare anyway. A Chevy spark might make more sense and be cheaper (5k for a nice one ?)
These cars go for around $5k!
Never seen one listed . You’re saying you can get a running one for 5k ? I believe this one was broken when you guys got it. How much labor in the real world did you put in to make it run?
You could actually get a completely running spark for 5K it might not do 82 miles anymore but as long as you use it for local commuting, it should be perfectly fine.
@@roydelpozo4816 most of the labor on this car was research. I spent hours upon hours figuring out how to do what I did and so much just messing around under the hood. Maybe around 40 hours of work total
@@ElectrekGarageso thinking intesla labor terms 200 an hour times 40 hours 8k worth of labor plus parts . Yeah … not worth it to the rest of us . Those of you who can make content of it and monetize it freaking awesome . The rest of us no thank you . Rather buy an early model 3 with no auto pilot ( they are rare but out there on the cheap !)