Well look what I found while doing some research - just released yesterday too!! "How Jinjer's Tatiana Shmayluk Learned to Scream" ruclips.net/video/UBrqWYMBm60/видео.html
You have to check them alive, there are a recent concert they did, Strandkorb Open Air 2020, that there's almost no effects (just a few reverb and delay maybe) in Tatiana's voice. Worth a check! Great react and yes, the drummer is just fantastic!
Yessir. Most vocalists do this naturally and Tatiana is one of the next level females doing this with very little effort after all the practice she’s out in. Loooooooved your reaction to one of my favorite songs.
Well, there are effects, even live... They add reverb to fatten the sound of her voice, most, if not all, growlers do that... It is her voice, but without the effect it wouldn't have the intensity... Which is fine btw, as long as it sounds good, IMO....
@@Kholdaimon Well, of course there's some effects from the soundboard, every singer and band has that, but what I was getting at is that a lot of people tend to think that she can only growl with effects pedals and what not which isn't true. I had the pleasure of watching her run through her various growls backstage before they went on and believe me she can growl with the best of them!! Now there are some singers like Tim from V.O.D. and Maynard from TOOL that actually utilize pedal boards w/ effects pedals but she definitely did not.
I'm a simple man, I see a reaction video for Jinger - Pisces, I watch. One of my favorite pastimes is getting people who don't listen to metal to watch this.
"This singer has a beautiful voice..." "I was expecting a rock kind of a..." 10/10 for perfect lines in a first time reaction video before that drop hahaha
No effects beyond what is normally used for cleans. Reverb, chorus, track doubling, etc. I've seen them live several times and have been close enough to hear her without coming through the PA. She is a vocal monster, check out Judgement and Punishment one take to see it in an isolated studio setting, or Retrospection live to see it on stage. Amazing band too, Eugene is one of my favorite bassists in the game.
@@auto1nfanticid3 That is just track doubling, it highlights the over and undertones. Exactly the same as the cleans. I'm sure she had a hidden effects unit wired into her throat when I was standing 10 feet away from her.
@@stephenknox2346 i have heard her raw vocals, it isnt this. yes she is screaming, no it doesnt sound like that naturally. also reverb and other effects can be added at the mixing board of a live concert, they dont require anything directly attached to the mic. you even admit there is studio magic done here so i dont know what youre on about. if track doubling is an effect to make a voice sound fuller (it is) then she is using effects to achieve this sound. shes a great vocalist but no one achieves these sounds naturally, female or otherwise.
I'm not actually that sure it is... I mean, it is, but listen to a band like ABBA or Ramstein speaking and they have heavy accents. Singing seems to totally remove any real influence from accents. And how many weebs out there can sing the full Japanese intro to their favourite Anime and not understand a single word of what they are saying? (same goes for English speaking Ramstein fans as well)
Not really to be honest. There's a ridiculous amount of non native English speaking singers and bangs. Just from the metal scene you've got opeth, avatar and gojira that spring to mind but I'm sure there'll be more that I can't think of/ just don't know aren't native speakers.
@@TSotP Singing and speaking use different parts of the the brain. There are people with brain injuries that can no longer speak yet can still sing. The accent in English singing - mostly converging on a North America rhotic sound independent of native accent - is a cultural phenomenon owing to the prevalence of recorded music and other media produced in North America.
I would actually say the perennial version from their newest show posted from Australia before Covid hit. Her vocals are easier to hear and she does a PHENOMENAL job at that show showcasing what she can do.
No effects, just Tatiana summoning demons from the depth of little metal soul. React to Jinjer's Perennial Live from Wacken and you'll see what I mean.
@@lesseroun0 I watched another vocal coach react to this and he said that there were only minor reverb effects on the mic. Just giving her voice a little extra power, but otherwise all her. This was a Live Session too which is crazy for all the instrumentation.
@@enabId Exactly m8, Reverb is more precisely said. and we can hear efect when tatiana sings :"I grew in different normality", and also in second chorus words "blaze virgin innocence" .. "brings life" word "world" in underworld is also enchanced. We can hear reverb every time Tatiana's voice splits in many.
I love it, LOVE IT when musicians react to this song, because they recognize the drums and bass are killing it. I mean yes, the vocals are also top notch, but this WHOLE BAND has got some talent.
The guitar pedal kicks and Tatiana flips his whole world upside down. LMAO! "Pisces swimming through the river, all their life against the stream. Searching for a hook to catch on, to see their sun beam and suffocate in painful torture. On cutting tables of callous men, under the knife of handsome butchers. Emeralds are ripped away, Emeralds are Ripped Away, EMERALDS ARE RIPPED AWAY, EMERALDS ARE RIPPED AWAAAAAAAY!" ❤️💙💜😍💜💙❤️
Devin Townsend "Kingdom" Live for EMG TV. The rabbit whole runs deep with him. Unbelievable musician and producer. . Steve Vai discovered him 30 years ago. You will be pleasantly surprised
Try the Retinal Circus version for a first reaction, for a change. From a composition pov that offers so many more layers (!) than the EMGTV rendition.
@spomajom As a composer, I would prefer for him to look at Genesis, Higher or something from Deconstruction like The Mighty Masturbator. Kingdom is great as a vocal but it's composition is fairly simple.
I have seen her live and she definitely growls perfectly then as well, but this particular recording definitely has effects to amplify the experience (which of course is no problem, it sounds very cool). At some points in the screams you can for instance hear two or more different screams layered on top of each other (example: 7:32 in this video, the high note scream is two completely different screams layered). In the bridge section they also double her clean vocals, which is another effect, which again is a cool addition
@@martinnikolov38 if you do it right, with proper technique, growls do not damage your voice. The fact she can go straight back into clean vocals without strains is evidence of proper technique.
@@zambomaan Yeah. Mixing effects. But what he meant was that it has no effects to make it seems like she's growling. She's really growling because she has the technique.
10:20 "The drummer..." Vlad is an absolute monster!!! Fun fact, the band actually filmed this video to highlight Vlad joining the band as the original track of Pisces didn't have all of the ghost notes and other flare he brought to this live session version. Because of the way this song is structured though - the soft, gentle intro/verse into that explosive chorus - this video is what got them to really explode in popularity. Love the videos buddy, best of wishes to you! Edit: Also, that is Tatiana's real voice! I've seen them live and they put on one of the best concerts I've ever seen!
You know what, Stan, if you want me to wear 37 pieces of flair, like your pretty boy over there, Brian, why don't you just make the minimum 37 pieces of flair?
The growl is all Tatiana, there are a few post production effects but they are not adding as much as you would think. Check out Perennial live at Wacken to see for yourself.
The big thing I notice is how low it gets. Lots of other examples her voice isn't so low, so there's a filter which is adding a low-end tone that she doesn't naturally have, but the fact she can do this at all is impressive.
@@bucklanddarrell3911 She does get that low. They could have layered the sound for the recording of this song, but she definitely goes this low (sometimes lower) live (I've seen it). Check out 4:02 here: ruclips.net/video/U6rv5qi8-8s/видео.html
"Teacher, Teacher" is probably the best example of their musicianship. It is another official video, but really shows the talent level of the whole group on a much higher level, in my opinion of course.
Alrighty. RUclipss pause key is "k", while "j" goes back 10 seconds and "l" goes forward 10 seconds. "m" is mute/unmute. comma and period can skip through frames. So for going back a bit you can always go back the same amount of time using the keyboard with very little effort.
Yet another rabbit hole I'm excited and thrilled to see you stumble down. Jinjer is a breath of fresh air. Hearing them kind of ignited my excitement for new music; haven't felt that in a long time.
This is by far my favorite reaction to this song... I love how you appreciate all of the band members contributions equally, and I especially enjoy the way you break down the musical aspect in detail!
Reverb and some sort of compressor is what i heard, but she is an absolute monster and there are other videos where she scares the crap out of you without any effects.
Just a little minor polish on Tati's voice is post production. The cleans in the prechorus have a slight bit of reverb and doubling. In the chorus, just a little compression, with some doubling on the ends of some phrases. On the bridge, a little doubling and a few backtracks. Same with the final push, just a little compression a couple layers on the final line.
A little tip for 'rewinding' consistently: a tap of the 'j' key will back up 10 seconds, whether playing or paused-- *love* seeing people's reaction when Tatiana kicks in her 'chest voice'!!
she does it for real, it's not a plugin, she does it live, she can go from the clean voice to the "GRRRRR!" voice in a second. I'm not a fan of the band but I can tell they are all very talented.
That "Jazz" element from an eastern European band shows how deeply talented they are. This is not one of my favorite bands but wow, I so respect their abilities.
That was fun, I subbed. But, about those vocals... (edit) TL;DR watch the Judgement & Punishment one-take. She screws up just a bit in the first growling section of the chorus and makes her growl squeak. That wouldn't happen if it was an audio effect. The "live session" was to record their new drummer. The vocals are right off the album version and are layered to make them more intense, but Tatiana can growl even lower than this. The one part that she can't do live is she needs an extra second to switch from growls to belting so she just growls that belted line live. The original album version had one layer growled, one belted. This version they just did the belting line because it is so impressive. While Tati's skills aren't exactly routine for female growlers, they aren't all that unusual for the best of the bunch either. The best male growlers can go even lower, since a larger instrument can make a lower tone. In the case of Alex Terrible, he even does bits of the song Demolisher in shows without a mic after hushing the crowd and there are plenty of bootlegs to confirm this (if you watch the official video, they amplify that part - it isn't that loud in bootlegs, but the tone is real. It is a very real technique, done with the false vocal cords instead of the true vocal cords. Since the false cords aka vestibular folds aren't gendered (they are just flaps of tissue that close the throat against exhalation when lifting a heavy weight or pushing out a hard turd) male and female growls can sound very similar - as an example of that, I recommend Rage Of Light's "Mechanicals" live where the male growler who does backing vocals sounds almost indistinguishable from the growls of the female lead singer. While similar sounds can be made with something I've heard is called "dehumanizer," growling vocalists like Otep Shamaya (see also "Ghost Flowers" off the Confrontation live DVD) also do voiceover work for movies and games to voice monstrous characters. It's a thing. Anyway, for more from Jinjer, check out Perennial live at Wacken to see them on stage. There is a tiny bit of post production, but it sounds quite similar to bootlegs of that show. Cheers!
the vocals are not off the album version. when she hits those high notes towards the end, on the album version theres growling going on over top of it. theres none here. also if you listen close enough you can hear subtle differences between them as well.
@@Metal_89 I own both MP3s so I put them both in Audacity and overlapped them. If the vocal tracks were different there would be small (or not so small) differences that would be very obvious when listening to it. There is effectively no difference. Also note that the video description discusses recording some vocal layers, but makes no mention of recording the main vocal tracks.
Jinjer -"Judgement and punishment" one take vocal performance will answer your question whether or not it's her voice. Or any of their their Live performance as well. Great reaction👍looking forward to you diving deeper in jinjer rabbit hole🤘
I discovered so much great music after discovering Jinjer. I started watching reactions to it, liking the reactors & following them. Jinjer is probably all-time favorite band.
Same here, finding analysis channels following great songs has introduced me to loads of great music that I now love. Started off with Nightwish going into Dimash's SOS which is what led to my learning about Jinjer a few years back and it's just been grand :))
BEST JINJER REACTION VIDEO YET~! Though I wish I had taped the reaction my 8yo girl had to it (she ran out of the room) Next nomination - Chlorine & Wine by Baroness.
When I first heard and watched this I imagined myself in a quiet cozy coffee shop. Then all of a suddenly I found myself in a sweaty dusty mosh pit flailing my arms and legs with a bloody nose..... and back to the coffee shop and back to the pit!!!!
It's a natural type of "effect," really. Just the way that your voice starts to kind of gravel out if you try to hit a note that's too low, for example, or the vocal fry that many have when speaking taken to an extreme effect. Vibrate the so-called "false" vocal folds instead of your full voiced folds you would use to sustain a normal pitched note, and push air through so you can get sound and form words (I think this is a fry scream, though there are several different techniques, as evidenced by the diversity of sounds you can hear vocalists make in the more "extreme" subgenres of metal, ranging from squealy sounds to really rough growls). She definitely uses some delay and stuff, too, but the "harsh" sounds are produced with physical technique and control (from tons of practice, especially to do safely, since doing it wrong can permanently damage your vocal folds). Switching between the two sounds is quite difficult, and she does an incredible job, which belies a lot of effort and discipline! Great reaction, loved how much you keyed into the drums instantly.
I second. The types of technique is guttural singing. Some inuk (native Canadian ) people do this, as well asians regions such as mongolia. In non-metal ways.
That’s not what he is talking about when he says “hook”... a “hook” is the catch of the song, oftentimes the chorus.. read a book before you make a shit comment
The hook thing was explained by other coment. In case of her voice it’s obwious that she uses effects and she uses them a lot. That doesn’t change the fact that she can do growl. In this supposed live performance there are multiple lines of vocal with different effects.
@Adam Smith I love keyboard warriors. But this topic caught my attention the other day because I did not post this comment and had to change my passwords. Ironically, I am a Jinjer fan and have seen them live and can say that she does use some minimal voice processing but her voice is pure and she sounds very "similar" to their studio recordings unlike the majority of her female counterparts in metal. And Adam, next time you insult someone online like a big man take a look in the mirror and remind yourself who you are and who you may be talking too on the other side.
There are definitely some effects on the vocals, (significant reverb and some compression at the least) but that switch is not easy to do one way or the other. (Not at that level, but I'm a vocalist and can do similar switches) I also play bass and some guitar, so to me I really think of it like kicking on a pedal. But I think the main reason why reason why (besides sexism and biological ignorance, let's be honest people who lack any knowledge of singing or anatomy probably don't expect a woman to use that type of growl/fry) I think everyone thinks those vocals are a lot more heavily treated than they are is because she has an unusually *clear* delivery in that style compared to many others.
I found this song through you, and I've been listening to it relentlessly. Look at that! You've covered so many songs, you're surely now introducing great music into the lives of others. I'm grateful you randomly decided to make this channel 🤙
If you like really layered songs, the Forty Six & 2 by TOOL is a really good bet. I’d also have to recommend some Alice In Chains (my personal favorite being Would?). Thank you for the great videos, keep up the great work! 👍
Pisces is basically a loveletter to Opeth's Blackwater park. Honestly I heard this song without knowing who's the artist and I thought Opeth had a female vocalist featuring. Nonetheless, Jinjer is the most badass live performing band I've ever witnessed.
I like some metal, not really a metal head, but this is maybe a perfect song. Most of their other stuff is heavier, i really like "Cloud Factory" and "I speak Astronomy"
Live at Wacken 2013, not the original singer. Let’s be honest, if we want him to truly enjoy Nightwish as a first listen then it needs to be the current vocalist, not the one that hasn’t been in the band for 16 years now.
Every time I watch a reaction of this by someone who knows music well... it's always about the "Ghost notes" and how sick the drummer is. Hehe. A bad ass drummer wields some crazy power man.
I love you man! You are not a toddler, not a young boy either but you have the surprise, the excitement and the sheer delight of a summer day spent in a toy store. And its heartwarming. Keep on. Great content
This is one of my FAVORITE songs, and gives me goose bumps EVERY time I here her go from that low docile tone to absolutely smashing. Like, uggggh. I love it. So so so much.
I love seeing people when they hear Tatiana sing for the 1st time, and even moreso when they hear her growl for the 1st time. 😁 It always makes my day!
@@Lurch685 For some truly great examples of the bassist's abilities I would say the Willing Well I, II, III or IV... all are fantastic. However, if you want something more subtle but equally good, I would recommend Here to Mars. It is such a fun song to play, and if I was going to recommend one song for Geebz to react to it would be that one.
1: Sir, you are the first reaction Ive ever seen for this where the moment the heavy vocals comes in, you didnt pause and look at the camera dumbfounded. Instead, you literally leaned closer to the screen and just sat there absorbing what the hell just happened. I felt that. 2: Ive always thought to myself if I ever created a youtube channel to talk about my interests based on my knowledge, Id want to do it just as a fun side project no matter how big it got and never monetize it. I enjoy my day job so the channel would be more a passion project than anything. Youre one of the first big channels Ive seen where you nonchalantly said you dont mind if you get copywrite struck because you dont monetize and the publishers deserve their income. I cant say how much I respect and look up to you for that. Im now subscribed. Keep on keeping on my friend!
man i so much enjoy listening u explaning things and telling how u felt it...thank you so much! it is so nice to hear someone actually know what he is talking about and know stuff about music and music production...i hope u will do a lot more stuff...please do opeth - ghost of perdition!
It is fun watching people hear what I feel is the best musical representation of the duality of humankind for the first time. Each member of the band is going back and forth in between the kind/gentle sound/feel, and the brutal harbinger of death so effortlessly appearing. It is a highly developed skill for each of them. I finally found a copy of the King of Everything online today and bought it after scouring local stores to no avail.
Watch Devin Townsend - Kingdom live at emgtv next! You're going to flipout with his voice!! another hit (likes this one) with the reaction world too 🤘🏻
Glad you spoke about the drums. That video was originally filmed to promote the drummer. Then it went viral because, Tati. And as you've discovered yes that's all her, she's been doing it for years. Had the pleasure of seeing them live too, the whole band is legit tight as a witches cleft. Really enjoying your work dude, you got a new fan.
Well that's a new one for me. Wow! And don't worry that you're talking too much. I think you'll find that your knowledge and experience, as well as your genuine and personable manner is exactly what we're all here for. Thank you and don't change a thing!
It just never gets old.. Great reaction. I'm here following the first Nightwish reaction. Non-monetized channel = sincere reaction. Instant sub from me.
Dude, you just helped me track down a song I'd never known existed, though I was looking for, in regard to a compilation of song references for the cyberpunk2077 game! I left you a little love in the video description for this video, because for some reason... when you're trying to find a single word song title, of something as generalized as "Pisces," with no additional context... it's... tricky. Keep up the awesome videos!
Well look what I found while doing some research - just released yesterday too!! "How Jinjer's Tatiana Shmayluk Learned to Scream" ruclips.net/video/UBrqWYMBm60/видео.html
You have to check them alive, there are a recent concert they did, Strandkorb Open Air 2020, that there's almost no effects (just a few reverb and delay maybe) in Tatiana's voice. Worth a check!
Great react and yes, the drummer is just fantastic!
Here the Strandkorb video
ruclips.net/video/RVwaMNtwmK0/видео.html
Yessir. Most vocalists do this naturally and Tatiana is one of the next level females doing this with very little effort after all the practice she’s out in. Loooooooved your reaction to one of my favorite songs.
She got her screaming from otep shamaya
It's awesome you went looking. You gotta check out OTEP for one of the OG female growlers.
3:58 Geebz: "I was expecting like a rock kind of a......."
Me: *giggles
No, no you weren't. :p
That's funny. I thought the same thing, "giggles" when he said that and knowing what was coming when he resumed play, lol.
I laughed so hard at 6:45 am on a Monday, I'm sure my neighbors think I'm insane
ROFL. exactly. "I was expecting like a rock kind of..... 4 seconds go by..... RAAAAWWWWWWR"
It really never gets old, huh? xD
"We're probably gonna get into the hook soon"
Everyone - "LOL you don't even know"
🤣🤣🤣
🤣 🤣 🤣 Indeed... 🤘
😂
Pleased to have given your 666th like.
Enjoy it Andy, well deserved.
@@SergioLazaroMartinez \m/>.
It's always amusing to see people's faces when she turns on the growl.
It's the best omg
I agree, everyone is always blown away by that
Even myself every time I here this song I get the goosebumps
I know right!. Did that to my mom.
"That's a girl!"
This isnt their heavier songs. [Better songs for sure]
What a waste.
We played with them in Providence, it's her voice, no effects. Of course there's post production here, but live she pulls it off
Whats your band man
@@HaqimHimself at that time On Your Deathbed
I saw them in munich, was a legendary show
Well, there are effects, even live... They add reverb to fatten the sound of her voice, most, if not all, growlers do that... It is her voice, but without the effect it wouldn't have the intensity... Which is fine btw, as long as it sounds good, IMO....
@@Kholdaimon Well, of course there's some effects from the soundboard, every singer and band has that, but what I was getting at is that a lot of people tend to think that she can only growl with effects pedals and what not which isn't true. I had the pleasure of watching her run through her various growls backstage before they went on and believe me she can growl with the best of them!! Now there are some singers like Tim from V.O.D. and Maynard from TOOL that actually utilize pedal boards w/ effects pedals but she definitely did not.
I'm a simple man, I see a reaction video for Jinger - Pisces, I watch. One of my favorite pastimes is getting people who don't listen to metal to watch this.
AGREED
and this is what im doing the last 2 hours :D
"This singer has a beautiful voice..." "I was expecting a rock kind of a..." 10/10 for perfect lines in a first time reaction video before that drop hahaha
Famous last words lol
No effects beyond what is normally used for cleans. Reverb, chorus, track doubling, etc. I've seen them live several times and have been close enough to hear her without coming through the PA. She is a vocal monster, check out Judgement and Punishment one take to see it in an isolated studio setting, or Retrospection live to see it on stage. Amazing band too, Eugene is one of my favorite bassists in the game.
Here are her unprocessed vocals a couple minutes in. ruclips.net/video/U655IytKPnk/видео.html
I agree, I would say the post processing on this version affects her clean vocals more than her harsh vocals.
theres totally effects. you can hear two diff voices in her scream
@@auto1nfanticid3 That is just track doubling, it highlights the over and undertones. Exactly the same as the cleans. I'm sure she had a hidden effects unit wired into her throat when I was standing 10 feet away from her.
@@stephenknox2346 i have heard her raw vocals, it isnt this. yes she is screaming, no it doesnt sound like that naturally. also reverb and other effects can be added at the mixing board of a live concert, they dont require anything directly attached to the mic. you even admit there is studio magic done here so i dont know what youre on about. if track doubling is an effect to make a voice sound fuller (it is) then she is using effects to achieve this sound.
shes a great vocalist but no one achieves these sounds naturally, female or otherwise.
Him: I was expecting like a rock kind of...
Jinjer: How about some molten lava metal...
That's the truest description.
My new hobby is watching people react to Tatiana’s awesomeness...
Mine too, especially love it when they pause it to react just before the first change
The bit that everyone forgets is, English isn’t even her first language. Really makes it so much more impressive.
I'm not actually that sure it is... I mean, it is, but listen to a band like ABBA or Ramstein speaking and they have heavy accents. Singing seems to totally remove any real influence from accents.
And how many weebs out there can sing the full Japanese intro to their favourite Anime and not understand a single word of what they are saying? (same goes for English speaking Ramstein fans as well)
Don't rely on me and I won't deceive.
It's not that impressive. English is my second language, and i talk with a decent accent. But can sing, easily without it
Not really to be honest. There's a ridiculous amount of non native English speaking singers and bangs. Just from the metal scene you've got opeth, avatar and gojira that spring to mind but I'm sure there'll be more that I can't think of/ just don't know aren't native speakers.
@@TSotP Singing and speaking use different parts of the the brain. There are people with brain injuries that can no longer speak yet can still sing. The accent in English singing - mostly converging on a North America rhotic sound independent of native accent - is a cultural phenomenon owing to the prevalence of recorded music and other media produced in North America.
Jinjer Perennial live at Wacken that will let you know everything you need to know
Also the official live video of Who Is Gonna Be The One...and if there's still doubt, Judgement (&Punishment) one take vocal performance.
I would actually say the perennial version from their newest show posted from Australia before Covid hit. Her vocals are easier to hear and she does a PHENOMENAL job at that show showcasing what she can do.
Don't forget Teacher, Teacher.
Yes, this is a great recommendation. She switches from guttural to clean more rapidly.
yas boi thats so good
No effects, just Tatiana summoning demons from the depth of little metal soul. React to Jinjer's Perennial Live from Wacken and you'll see what I mean.
Actually there are effects added, but not much, just little bit of "chorus" effect sometimes. Perennial at Wacken rocks!!
@@lesseroun0 I watched another vocal coach react to this and he said that there were only minor reverb effects on the mic. Just giving her voice a little extra power, but otherwise all her. This was a Live Session too which is crazy for all the instrumentation.
no effects is total bs. nothing wrong with it but to deny it is naive
Pretty sure the band have said that there is some doubling (chorus) and a bit of distortion added on this version. Live she just has some doubling.
@@enabId Exactly m8, Reverb is more precisely said. and we can hear efect when tatiana sings :"I grew in different normality", and also in second chorus words "blaze virgin innocence" .. "brings life" word "world" in underworld is also enchanced. We can hear reverb every time Tatiana's voice splits in many.
Her scream is just naturally that good!
I love it, LOVE IT when musicians react to this song, because they recognize the drums and bass are killing it. I mean yes, the vocals are also top notch, but this WHOLE BAND has got some talent.
Thank you Terah! 🤙🤙
"I was expecting like a rock kind of..."
I literally said "Just wait my dude" out loud
The guitar pedal kicks and Tatiana flips his whole world upside down. LMAO! "Pisces swimming through the river, all their life against the stream. Searching for a hook to catch on, to see their sun beam and suffocate in painful torture. On cutting tables of callous men, under the knife of handsome butchers. Emeralds are ripped away, Emeralds are Ripped Away, EMERALDS ARE RIPPED AWAY, EMERALDS ARE RIPPED AWAAAAAAAY!" ❤️💙💜😍💜💙❤️
“I can feel the hook is coming”
Bwahaha...
It isn't a hook. Its a 10 kiloton grapple!
"I can feel the hook coming"
Me: more like a round house kick
VIRGIN INNOCENCE!!
Devin Townsend "Kingdom" Live for EMG TV. The rabbit whole runs deep with him. Unbelievable musician and producer. . Steve Vai discovered him 30 years ago. You will be pleasantly surprised
He is a beast. " watch me shred this solo"
Plays a single chord
Good choice, I would like to hear his thoughts on that one too. Also this one: ruclips.net/video/DrDM6V08wcE/видео.html
Try the Retinal Circus version for a first reaction, for a change. From a composition pov that offers so many more layers (!) than the EMGTV rendition.
DO NOT DO THE EMGTV video, do the official live video for the song. It is so much better with the full band.
@spomajom As a composer, I would prefer for him to look at Genesis, Higher or something from Deconstruction like The Mighty Masturbator. Kingdom is great as a vocal but it's composition is fairly simple.
There's no effects. Thats all her. She does it live and she is among the best with her vocal ability
I have seen her live and she definitely growls perfectly then as well, but this particular recording definitely has effects to amplify the experience (which of course is no problem, it sounds very cool). At some points in the screams you can for instance hear two or more different screams layered on top of each other (example: 7:32 in this video, the high note scream is two completely different screams layered). In the bridge section they also double her clean vocals, which is another effect, which again is a cool addition
She’s still got a fresh voice. Over the next decade you’ll see it fade which is sad bad we will always appreciate it
@@martinnikolov38 if you do it right, with proper technique, growls do not damage your voice. The fact she can go straight back into clean vocals without strains is evidence of proper technique.
@@zambomaan Yeah. Mixing effects. But what he meant was that it has no effects to make it seems like she's growling. She's really growling because she has the technique.
10:20 "The drummer..."
Vlad is an absolute monster!!! Fun fact, the band actually filmed this video to highlight Vlad joining the band as the original track of Pisces didn't have all of the ghost notes and other flare he brought to this live session version. Because of the way this song is structured though - the soft, gentle intro/verse into that explosive chorus - this video is what got them to really explode in popularity.
Love the videos buddy, best of wishes to you!
Edit: Also, that is Tatiana's real voice! I've seen them live and they put on one of the best concerts I've ever seen!
That's super cool, because I love the drummer's work on this song.
You know what, Stan, if you want me to wear 37 pieces of flair, like your pretty boy over there, Brian, why don't you just make the minimum 37 pieces of flair?
The video is amazing and really shows how good they all are.
The growl is all Tatiana, there are a few post production effects but they are not adding as much as you would think. Check out Perennial live at Wacken to see for yourself.
Yeah, that’s the key takeaway... not as much as people think. She sounds nearly this good in many live videos.
The big thing I notice is how low it gets. Lots of other examples her voice isn't so low, so there's a filter which is adding a low-end tone that she doesn't naturally have, but the fact she can do this at all is impressive.
@@bucklanddarrell3911 She does get that low. They could have layered the sound for the recording of this song, but she definitely goes this low (sometimes lower) live (I've seen it). Check out 4:02 here: ruclips.net/video/U6rv5qi8-8s/видео.html
@@bucklanddarrell3911 Have you not seen Who is Gonna be the one live yet? I challenge you to watch that, and tell me she doesn't get that low.
@@jayhegener3028 Yea, she's very good but to be fair, there are lots of effects going on live too.
You are probably the only reactor I never skip the comments section.
Man, thanks - 🤙🤙
When Tatiana opens her mouth, The planet stops moving and everyone listens to Metal perfection.
Awful.
Lol😂
Truth !
It's disgusting.
@@MetaFootballTV for you maybe
Tati has such control over her voice it's amazing.
watching jinjer reactions never get boring
She has a natural voice. I was lucky to see them live last year and at 56 years old i have seen a lot of metal bands.this was one of the best.
@Lauren Fazenbaker wow you got a high five. I was down the front and got some good pics.
@Lauren Fazenbaker where did you see them? I saw then at Newcastle uk.
@Lauren Fazenbaker wow Ohio. Sounds nice?
I was about to see them in Memphis TN, but then the pandemic hit. I do not even know if they rescheduled that yet.
@@NikkLiberos They're doing a few, smaller crowd continental europe gigs at the moment.
Has anyone requested Gojira yet? If not a great place to start with them would be "The Gift of Guilt" they're a phenomenal band!
Agreed, very unique too. Love them.
I would go with Explosia or Flying Whales because it builds up very nice
He’s done some already. I would love to see Flying Whales
Nightwish - Ghost Love Score. As a composer it is a symphony you will be BLOWN AWAY by.
I raise your bid with exellent musicians. ;-) Please do Ghost Love Score
Definitely!!! ruclips.net/video/JYjIlHWBAVo/видео.html
i raise the bid also
Abso-fricking-lutely! Do it, oh great de-composer! You'll not regret it!
Yes and make sure you watch the official live video from wakken
Jinjer in one word - "goosebumps"
*ballad singing*
you: "I was expecting some rock"
*metal riff and growls kick in*
"Teacher, Teacher" is probably the best example of their musicianship. It is another official video, but really shows the talent level of the whole group on a much higher level, in my opinion of course.
Agreed. It's a much more versatile song.
Yep...the video version is cool, but there are also two ‘official’ live versions that are killer as well 😎🔥🤘
totally agree
Alrighty. RUclipss pause key is "k", while "j" goes back 10 seconds and "l" goes forward 10 seconds. "m" is mute/unmute. comma and period can skip through frames.
So for going back a bit you can always go back the same amount of time using the keyboard with very little effort.
Also "arrow keys" backward & forward for 5sec skip
I only use the spacebar and arrow keys. I must be something...
it looks like he's using WMP and not youtube, but I might be mistaken
Holy sh/t thank you Nico, I had no idea there was a frame key.
THANK YOU! Been wondering how people do that! lol
Yet another rabbit hole I'm excited and thrilled to see you stumble down. Jinjer is a breath of fresh air. Hearing them kind of ignited my excitement for new music; haven't felt that in a long time.
@@Midnightmidway Plenty to explore.
This is by far my favorite reaction to this song... I love how you appreciate all of the band members contributions equally, and I especially enjoy the way you break down the musical aspect in detail!
Reverb and some sort of compressor is what i heard, but she is an absolute monster and there are other videos where she scares the crap out of you without any effects.
Just a little minor polish on Tati's voice is post production. The cleans in the prechorus have a slight bit of reverb and doubling. In the chorus, just a little compression, with some doubling on the ends of some phrases. On the bridge, a little doubling and a few backtracks. Same with the final push, just a little compression a couple layers on the final line.
" was expecting like a rock kind of a...." LMAO
I'm squealing like a little girl right now and I ain't even seen this yet. Can't wait for you to see the transition.
A little tip for 'rewinding' consistently: a tap of the 'j' key will back up 10 seconds, whether playing or paused-- *love* seeing people's reaction when Tatiana kicks in her 'chest voice'!!
No effects on her voice. Just pure skill. She’s incredible.
The gutural is natural, Tatiana is killing it!
she does it for real, it's not a plugin, she does it live, she can go from the clean voice to the "GRRRRR!" voice in a second. I'm not a fan of the band but I can tell they are all very talented.
Tatiana is a legend, she sound like this live also
That "Jazz" element from an eastern European band shows how deeply talented they are. This is not one of my favorite bands but wow, I so respect their abilities.
I get goosebumps at the end of this song too. Every time. And I've heard it hundreds of times.
Jinjer have some big old-style Opeth vibes going on here, everything is definitely their own though. It's an immense performance!
That was fun, I subbed.
But, about those vocals... (edit) TL;DR watch the Judgement & Punishment one-take. She screws up just a bit in the first growling section of the chorus and makes her growl squeak. That wouldn't happen if it was an audio effect.
The "live session" was to record their new drummer. The vocals are right off the album version and are layered to make them more intense, but Tatiana can growl even lower than this. The one part that she can't do live is she needs an extra second to switch from growls to belting so she just growls that belted line live. The original album version had one layer growled, one belted. This version they just did the belting line because it is so impressive.
While Tati's skills aren't exactly routine for female growlers, they aren't all that unusual for the best of the bunch either. The best male growlers can go even lower, since a larger instrument can make a lower tone. In the case of Alex Terrible, he even does bits of the song Demolisher in shows without a mic after hushing the crowd and there are plenty of bootlegs to confirm this (if you watch the official video, they amplify that part - it isn't that loud in bootlegs, but the tone is real.
It is a very real technique, done with the false vocal cords instead of the true vocal cords. Since the false cords aka vestibular folds aren't gendered (they are just flaps of tissue that close the throat against exhalation when lifting a heavy weight or pushing out a hard turd) male and female growls can sound very similar - as an example of that, I recommend Rage Of Light's "Mechanicals" live where the male growler who does backing vocals sounds almost indistinguishable from the growls of the female lead singer. While similar sounds can be made with something I've heard is called "dehumanizer," growling vocalists like Otep Shamaya (see also "Ghost Flowers" off the Confrontation live DVD) also do voiceover work for movies and games to voice monstrous characters. It's a thing.
Anyway, for more from Jinjer, check out Perennial live at Wacken to see them on stage. There is a tiny bit of post production, but it sounds quite similar to bootlegs of that show. Cheers!
the vocals are not off the album version. when she hits those high notes towards the end, on the album version theres growling going on over top of it. theres none here. also if you listen close enough you can hear subtle differences between them as well.
@@Metal_89 I own both MP3s so I put them both in Audacity and overlapped them. If the vocal tracks were different there would be small (or not so small) differences that would be very obvious when listening to it. There is effectively no difference. Also note that the video description discusses recording some vocal layers, but makes no mention of recording the main vocal tracks.
Your reply was awesome, glad I saw it
Jinjer -"Judgement and punishment" one take vocal performance will answer your question whether or not it's her voice. Or any of their their Live performance as well. Great reaction👍looking forward to you diving deeper in jinjer rabbit hole🤘
Its 100% natural, and from what I've heard Tatiana has had no real vocal training. Shes just blessed I guess.
No training, and she confessed in an interview that she drinks and smokes, too.
Tatiana and Eugene [bassist] said in an interview they don't think they have a genre because they draw from so many different ones.
A wild critter!?!
Is it thursday yet???
🤗🤘
This definitely mix between hip-hop and jazz.
Interviewer: how would you describe your genre?
Tatiana and Eugene: yes
@@bosunbones.8815 Bidet!
@@ricku2864 Beep Beep!
She pulls off the growl live with no effects. My dream girl!
I discovered so much great music after discovering Jinjer. I started watching reactions to it, liking the reactors & following them.
Jinjer is probably all-time favorite band.
Same here, finding analysis channels following great songs has introduced me to loads of great music that I now love. Started off with Nightwish going into Dimash's SOS which is what led to my learning about Jinjer a few years back and it's just been grand :))
Yup! Devin Townsend kimgdom next. Nightwish - ghost love score live.
Watching off genre or unfamiliar professionals talk about Tatiana is hilarious.
"Hoooooooo SHIT!" We have ALL been there my man lmfao. What a great video. Looking forward to more content
We need videos of people watching Pisces reactions now. I feel like we all giggle and smile in anticipation at the same timestamps lol
That moment you realize that there is no effects on her voice....its just pure talent
Yeah, her voice is awesome. If you want to hear more like this, you should check out Spiritbox - Rule of Nines
BEST JINJER REACTION VIDEO YET~! Though I wish I had taped the reaction my 8yo girl had to it (she ran out of the room)
Next nomination - Chlorine & Wine by Baroness.
Thanks Man!
I've lost count of the amount of times I've watched this, and every single time his reaction just cracks me up!!! XD
When I first heard and watched this I imagined myself in a quiet cozy coffee shop. Then all of a suddenly I found myself in a sweaty dusty mosh pit flailing my arms and legs with a bloody nose..... and back to the coffee shop and back to the pit!!!!
I love that look of: Are you fucking kidding me? XD
It's a natural type of "effect," really. Just the way that your voice starts to kind of gravel out if you try to hit a note that's too low, for example, or the vocal fry that many have when speaking taken to an extreme effect. Vibrate the so-called "false" vocal folds instead of your full voiced folds you would use to sustain a normal pitched note, and push air through so you can get sound and form words (I think this is a fry scream, though there are several different techniques, as evidenced by the diversity of sounds you can hear vocalists make in the more "extreme" subgenres of metal, ranging from squealy sounds to really rough growls). She definitely uses some delay and stuff, too, but the "harsh" sounds are produced with physical technique and control (from tons of practice, especially to do safely, since doing it wrong can permanently damage your vocal folds). Switching between the two sounds is quite difficult, and she does an incredible job, which belies a lot of effort and discipline! Great reaction, loved how much you keyed into the drums instantly.
Wow, that was a wonderful explanation! Thank you.
I second. The types of technique is guttural singing. Some inuk (native Canadian ) people do this, as well asians regions such as mongolia. In non-metal ways.
I love your username and profile picture!
@@jaketheadventurer2772 Thanks! It's become my go to on a lot of social platforms haha
I'd like to see a reaction of you finding out that the "hook" is her voice and not some synthetic machined up auto tune voice over.
That’s not what he is talking about when he says “hook”... a “hook” is the catch of the song, oftentimes the chorus.. read a book before you make a shit comment
The hook thing was explained by other coment. In case of her voice it’s obwious that she uses effects and she uses them a lot. That doesn’t change the fact that she can do growl. In this supposed live performance there are multiple lines of vocal with different effects.
@Adam Smith I love keyboard warriors. But this topic caught my attention the other day because I did not post this comment and had to change my passwords. Ironically, I am a Jinjer fan and have seen them live and can say that she does use some minimal voice processing but her voice is pure and she sounds very "similar" to their studio recordings unlike the majority of her female counterparts in metal. And Adam, next time you insult someone online like a big man take a look in the mirror and remind yourself who you are and who you may be talking too on the other side.
There are definitely some effects on the vocals, (significant reverb and some compression at the least) but that switch is not easy to do one way or the other. (Not at that level, but I'm a vocalist and can do similar switches) I also play bass and some guitar, so to me I really think of it like kicking on a pedal. But I think the main reason why reason why (besides sexism and biological ignorance, let's be honest people who lack any knowledge of singing or anatomy probably don't expect a woman to use that type of growl/fry) I think everyone thinks those vocals are a lot more heavily treated than they are is because she has an unusually *clear* delivery in that style compared to many others.
I found this song through you, and I've been listening to it relentlessly. Look at that! You've covered so many songs, you're surely now introducing great music into the lives of others. I'm grateful you randomly decided to make this channel 🤙
If you like really layered songs, the Forty Six & 2 by TOOL is a really good bet. I’d also have to recommend some Alice In Chains (my personal favorite being Would?). Thank you for the great videos, keep up the great work! 👍
+1 for Would?
"Teacher, Teacher!" Has sick clean/fry vocal. It's really amazing how she controls her voice
Pisces is basically a loveletter to Opeth's Blackwater park. Honestly I heard this song without knowing who's the artist and I thought Opeth had a female vocalist featuring. Nonetheless, Jinjer is the most badass live performing band I've ever witnessed.
Them and Tool.
Holy shit, dude. I love this band's music. Very glad that you enjoyed as well! :)
I'm looking forward to all of your future ventures into Jinjer!
I like some metal, not really a metal head, but this is maybe a perfect song. Most of their other stuff is heavier, i really like "Cloud Factory" and "I speak Astronomy"
New fan of your channel here for the obligatory Nightwish request of Ghost Love Score! As a composer I think you’ll really appreciate it.
Live at Wacken 2013, not the original singer. Let’s be honest, if we want him to truly enjoy Nightwish as a first listen then it needs to be the current vocalist, not the one that hasn’t been in the band for 16 years now.
Every time I watch a reaction of this by someone who knows music well... it's always about the "Ghost notes" and how sick the drummer is. Hehe. A bad ass drummer wields some crazy power man.
Next choice naturally is Devin Townsend, "Higher" in Plovdiv or "Kingdom" (EMG TV) or Deadhead life at Royal Albert Hall. Have fun listening!
I love you man!
You are not a toddler, not a young boy either but you have the surprise, the excitement and the sheer delight of a summer day spent in a toy store.
And its heartwarming.
Keep on.
Great content
This is one of my FAVORITE songs, and gives me goose bumps EVERY time I here her go from that low docile tone to absolutely smashing. Like, uggggh. I love it. So so so much.
NO EFFECTS!! She’s that good bud!! Check out the live show in Melbourne.Australia!! Mind blowing!!😱
Nope...it's all her! Her live performances are all the proof you need! 🖤
"Virgin innocence" is actually the state of a vocal coach before hearing this song
Sweet children of summer...
I love seeing people when they hear Tatiana sing for the 1st time, and even moreso when they hear her growl for the 1st time. 😁 It always makes my day!
Really like the way you are being honest and sincere. And fun to see you enjoying this masterpiece.
Geebz: "I love when bass players really work with the instrument"
Me: "May I introduce you to Coheed and Cambria?"
Can you suggest some tracks?
@@Lurch685 For some truly great examples of the bassist's abilities I would say the Willing Well I, II, III or IV... all are fantastic.
However, if you want something more subtle but equally good, I would recommend Here to Mars. It is such a fun song to play, and if I was going to recommend one song for Geebz to react to it would be that one.
@@schoolofmediocrity2801 thanks! I’ll check em out.
I was thinking Les Claypool. Guy is a complete legend.
I was 4 feet away from Tatiana during a concert last year, that’s definitely her voice lol. It was the best concert I’ve ever been to.
Devin Townsend “Kingdom” !!
4 Years later and I still come peoples reactions haha
1: Sir, you are the first reaction Ive ever seen for this where the moment the heavy vocals comes in, you didnt pause and look at the camera dumbfounded. Instead, you literally leaned closer to the screen and just sat there absorbing what the hell just happened. I felt that.
2: Ive always thought to myself if I ever created a youtube channel to talk about my interests based on my knowledge, Id want to do it just as a fun side project no matter how big it got and never monetize it. I enjoy my day job so the channel would be more a passion project than anything. Youre one of the first big channels Ive seen where you nonchalantly said you dont mind if you get copywrite struck because you dont monetize and the publishers deserve their income. I cant say how much I respect and look up to you for that. Im now subscribed. Keep on keeping on my friend!
I also recommend THE HU- WOLF TOTEM and HEILUNG- KRIGSGALDR and OMNIA- FEE RA HURI... I think youd like all of them
I can definitely say the first two are epic, so I'm assuming the third is too and will check it out right after this. :)
@@j.f.fisher5318 i love OMNIA just something different most havent heard of
I also like Faun if you like different music.....
FAUN- WALPURGISNACHT
Layered but no effects on her voice.
May I recommend Leprous? Especially "The Sky is Red". Completely different kind of singer but I gues you will enjoy it.
man i so much enjoy listening u explaning things and telling how u felt it...thank you so much! it is so nice to hear someone actually know what he is talking about and know stuff about music and music production...i hope u will do a lot more stuff...please do opeth - ghost of perdition!
It is fun watching people hear what I feel is the best musical representation of the duality of humankind for the first time. Each member of the band is going back and forth in between the kind/gentle sound/feel, and the brutal harbinger of death so effortlessly appearing. It is a highly developed skill for each of them. I finally found a copy of the King of Everything online today and bought it after scouring local stores to no avail.
You remind me of my dad, except you don't yell at everything that isn't Skynyrd
Watch Devin Townsend - Kingdom live at emgtv next! You're going to flipout with his voice!! another hit (likes this one) with the reaction world too 🤘🏻
I'm a Viking and I want her to be the Mother of my children
You might wanna pick a number.
be a real viking and hold a tournament
Glad you spoke about the drums. That video was originally filmed to promote the drummer. Then it went viral because, Tati.
And as you've discovered yes that's all her, she's been doing it for years.
Had the pleasure of seeing them live too, the whole band is legit tight as a witches cleft.
Really enjoying your work dude, you got a new fan.
Well that's a new one for me. Wow! And don't worry that you're talking too much. I think you'll find that your knowledge and experience, as well as your genuine and personable manner is exactly what we're all here for. Thank you and don't change a thing!
Yo! Check out Ayreon- "the Day the world Breaks down" Lots of technical stuff there 😁🤘
It just never gets old..
Great reaction.
I'm here following the first Nightwish reaction.
Non-monetized channel = sincere reaction. Instant sub from me.
Check the jinjer live in Melbourne! She’s legit
It was nice to see someone review this that is an all around musician instead of just a vocal expert. I loved all your comments about the band!
Dude, you just helped me track down a song I'd never known existed, though I was looking for, in regard to a compilation of song references for the cyberpunk2077 game! I left you a little love in the video description for this video, because for some reason... when you're trying to find a single word song title, of something as generalized as "Pisces," with no additional context... it's... tricky.
Keep up the awesome videos!