SECRET INVASION: Gravik Was Right! (and Would Have Stopped Thanos Too!)
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When you rewatch Marcel's Secret Invasion, one thing becomes clear: Gravik was right. Not only was he justified in wanting Fury to make good on his promises, but Gravik's plan for Earth would have made the humans safer, part of a galactic Federation, and ultimately would have stopped Thanos form snapping everyone away in Avengers: Infinity War.
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Even though it could, Earth is NOT a space faring nation in the MCU so hw th heck was Earth supposed to find the scrulls a new planet. I never understood that.
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I barely even remember what Gravik wanted. Secret Invasion wasn't just bad, it was forgettable.
I had to think fir a good 10 mins about whether he died or not then remembered the whole gaia situation
LOL @kingofmadcows yea the word Is forgettable and I even feel bad bc It was a wasted budget. But hey it’ll tie in I guess we’ll have to see
He wanted a world for the Skrulls like Fury promised. I remember
take earth for the skrulls
It had a great start but they didn't develop the story fully as they should have and it ended up as an okayish product in the end , which in this case was dissapointing because right from it's first look back in sepember 2022 till the 3rd episode , people had high hopes that it is a great show . Never expected a show which started out as a global political thriller to end with a generic CGI fight where the 2nd protagonist became one of the strongest MCU beings out of nowhere and Nick Fury had to become a side character in his own show.
The moment Gravik said “I rather like dogs” and said they were better than humans, we all went, “wait, maybe let’s hear this guy out.”
And Buy we all went you mean all four people that were watching the show still at that point
@@Sometimeslifeiscrazy hahahaha fair point
@@Sometimeslifeiscrazy😂😂😂😂😂
True but nothing he ever said after or before that was even worth remembering. Very bland villain and a bad actor imo
@@blaze556922 I don’t blame the actor. They gave him crap lines, no plot arc, vague motivations and a confusing plan. I think he delivered the lines as best he could and had enough decent acting moments for me to focus on the horrible production side of things. Honestly, that one scene was the only one I can think of where they even let him act beyond what you’d see on a network tv show
I just hate that maria hill was killed for nothing😢
And Talos.
Cobie Smulders has been in the MCU for over 10 years and this is how they repay her. Killed off for shock value. 😞
What about Captain Marvel? She said she would find them a home as well. She should share in the blame for not fulfilling their promise.
But at least she was actively fighting the Kree and Thanos when the time came. Fury literally just left.
pretty sure the marvels will touch on that
Especially when she found them a home in Endgame. I guess it never occurred to her that where they killed Thanos was the perfect place for them lol it had one resident and he was killed smh
One difference that needs to be remembered, the asgardians, specifically Thor, Loki and the All Father Odin were at one point in human history worshipped as gods, so being able to give them a place on Earth in one of the places they were worshipped was actually a privilege and basically the equivalent of a UNESCO World Heritage Site. Not the same with green skulls.
They could've lived on the planet Thanos was killed on clearly Captain Marvel is racist towards green shape shifters.
the only problem with this theory is the fact that Graviks plan was to wipe humanity out, and take the planet for themselves which throws this entire idea out the window, he had no intention of sparing any humans at all, as demonstrated when he set off the bomb in that square
They really needed a scene with the scientists telling him that they are working on making the super skrull machine process permanent as it burn out the more it's used.
I think you are giving Gravik much more credit than he deserves.
Ya
I liked gravik
I was rooting for Gravik most of the show. Fury did them dirty and never owned up to it or took accountability. He should have been the one to talk to Gravik in the finale. He did his wife dirty too. He didnt know if he would love her if she had been her true self? I don't know why she wouldn't join Gravik after that conversation
The more I think about how simple the formula is to adapt the comics into movies/shows vs what Disney/marvel has been giving us is unforgivable
i'd say they were at a 80:20 split of hits to misses, until the last couple of years.
but it seems like change is coming so maybe things will get back on track
8:00 this is why they should have figured out the universe before jumping into the multiverse. Imagine a federation of united planets in the mcu before they realize the bigger threat to the entire universe through kang and the multiverse.
I agree with you! Although I have no idea what Gravik wanted...or what Nick Fury wanted...or what anybody wanted in this show. The second I ended, I pretty much forgot about the premise of it.
But you have to remember that Thor & The Asguardians helped save earth. It’s also documented & Is even implied in the films and shows. Along with, the book: Lookout for the Little Guy. Yes I bought it physically & it’s good. Also, they’re practically gods. You can’t compare the two.
Ryan's recent theories have been pure bangers!!!!
Gravik wanted a home for the skrulls, revenge on Fury and and all of it done through the destruction of humanity by starting WWIII.
They can combine all of these “[MCU Character] was right” perspectives for one villain who can point out how incapable the avengers really are. I think that could make for a compelling story.
Good idea, terrible delivery
I think you (Ryan) should have written Secret invasion.
Would have been such a better plot line
Can we all agree that the Asgardians got special treatment because they have the same anatomy as humans basically lol
They look like us so they were treated like us. The skrulls look like what typical monsters in human mythology would look like
Thank you
it also helped that we were familiar with them as the norse gods. the home they are given in the movies is essentially the land of those that used to worship them. that takes some of the alien nature away from them.
Captain Marvel found them a home when she killed Thanos she's clearly still racist towards green shape shifters lol
@@Unknown_-bt8uv i think that's just a plot hole by the marvel writers.
I love your videos man, super articulate and deliciously speculative!
I honestly forgot who Gravik was until the video started playing 😂...now I'm struggling trying to remember what happened in that show
I love your " was right" videos. You always provide good insight into the motivations without condoning them.
Villains keep being right in here 😂
dar-benn is gonna be "right" in a month or two, we just gotta wait for that video to pop up
@@slack__ guess you’ll be right 😂🤷♂️
Doing a lot of heavy lifting here. Gravik expressly wanted to conquer earth to make it a home for the Skrulls, not integrate with the Terrans. As cool as your Starfleet idea is Ryan, that’s the opposite of what Gravik wanted.
A home for the Skrulls doesn’t necessarily mean not a home for others. He was upset at humans because of how they treated them, not because they were inferior or that they couldn’t work together. He knew that wasn’t true based off of his own experience with Fury.
@@DontCallMeAaron yes, but at no point does Gravik talk about co-habitation, he talks about domination. His expressed goal was to trigger WWIII so humans would wipe themselves out and Skrulls would survive the apocalypse to inherit the earth as their new home.
Exactly. He literally felt scorched earth was the best way forward
@@Gzilla313 yes but that was after over a decade since he had to kill someone on his first mission. We don’t really know how he felt growing up do we? Was there a scene I missed?
@@DontCallMeAaron that’s something that didn’t make sense to me, when Vara introduced Gravik to Fury as a child/teen they made it sound like he was already a warrior who had been surviving on his own. I find it hard to believe he had never killed anyone before Fury used him.
Gravik was right and then they had that moment of him attacking that other Skrulls to show he was evil and we shouldn't root for him.
Not really. It kind of just showed his resolve
This plan sounds a lot like the plan Vandal Savage has in the Young Justice Series.
Honestly I know Secret invasion wasn't really great but I really did enjoy it
Same here. I guess I have a low bar
@@davidmun1601 Nahh secret invasion was great so you have a high bar 😂💯
More like, it had a lot of things that were probably good ideas on paper, but it got horribly butchered in reshoots, especially since the guy who was brought on to replace Kyle Bradstreet was a guy with very little writing experience.
Same here. Definitely had a different tone to it
Yeah same, I liked a good amount of the ideas they had and its darker tone. Also Sonya Falsworth was a really memorable and funny character.
This is an awesome idea! I’d love to see an origin story movie about Galactis then a team-up just as you describe.
Gravik as a double agent in Thunderbolts or working together with kang wouldve been nice
The root issue to everything, communication.
People just need to be honest and own up to their mistakes and talk to eachother ....
I don't mind these types of videos but I wished you did more Scene Fights.
I love your video they always surprise me thank you for your videos
I’d love for them to completely ignore secret invasion, and act like it never happened. I can’t believe you’re still wanting to talk about it lmao. At this point you’ve put more energy into it than the actual writers did
Your a fool if you think that cos secret invasion is the best marvel show so I’m glad more people are still taking about the show
@@symbolofpeacetv1578 says the fool
It's sad that the writers of this video gave *Secret Invasion* more thought than the writers of *Secret Invasion*
This was a brilliant hypothesis. It makes a lot of sense.
*how do you make it bold*
_I mean italic_
@@SuckmeoffthenTarzan seems like you figured it out.
“He was furyous” 😂 nice touch
I never thought about it like that but definitely good points made
Thanos was Right 👍
the less we acknowledge secret invasion the better
Why it a great show and marvel best show
I think the idea of Gravik secretly pushing for equality with earth's native population was plausible up until later in the series when he started getting really megalomaniacal, but after he started killing off his fellow skrulls and stuff I'm pretty sure he was deep down just a bad, bad guy who wanted to kill off all the humans.
So, Ryan cut his hair. Imagine being Ryan's barber and listening to all these crazy theories while you cut his hair. 😂
Him turning into spaghetti is actually , his essence got spread throughout the timelines that is why they have the same temporal Aura. Also, this is sort of what OB said in the 1st episode due to time slipping if he is not pruned his essence will scatter throughout the timelines that is what happened to timely and it felt like he knew that is why he choose to do so.
I was thinking the exact same thing
Nice idea. But makes me feel EVEN worse about what we got 😢
I love the MCU, The villains are the true heroes while the “Heroes” are the main villains.
Yes bad writing made humans accepting of rock people and other creatures but no way would they accept the Skrulls... It's hard to make logical sense of any of it. Also, wiping out a whole species seems like overkill Gravik, I can't imagine why they were hunted throughout the universe
They're not just green, they're shapeshifers, are we forgetting that? Humans irl already have an conspiratorial fear of "shapeshifting lizard people" so it makes sense why Skrulls wouldn't be accepted.
Because they are green and can shape shift, which makes the purists uncomfortable.
Asgardians came with Thor and when they arrived, half of the world's population had been wiped away. Of course, they were more accepted. Skrulls look like lizards and can shape-shift.
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Exactly, as much as the common man fears being replaced by people
The skull race could literally replace them and no one would notice unless they bleed
Thanks Ryan!
if you think about it, the reason Fury didn't tell the public, wasn't necessarily because he believed theyd be rejected, but because of their shapeshifting ability, if they were widely known about, they wouldn't have been as effective as spies. While he DOES care about the planet, Fury has a tendencey to use people, even the ones he likes, such as Maria Hill and the Avengers. I mean Gravik pretty much throws that in his face, and so does Talos. Look back at Age of Ultron, the speech he delivers to Tony in the Barn, its manipulative. Its masked as a Pep Talk, but in the end when he's in the kitchen talking to the rest of the group, he basically infers "thats why I created you, a team of superheros, to do what needs to be done, to do what I want you to." just in a more charismatic way.
I enjoyed Secret Invasion, thanks for the vid
Inevitable comic book feelings. Feel ya
The skrulls can be anyone, and that is dangerous, it's not what they look like.
Watching Loki Season 2 currently. The 3 episodes are better than last 2 years of MCU shows.
No chance cos the first 2 episodes was trash
This analysis makes Gravik sound like the ultimate extremist whose ideas are justified. I just don't know if the Skrulls allying with the Avengers would've been enough to defeat Thanos in Infinity War. But I will say that Nick Fury not being in Civil War at all especially since we now know that he had the Skrulls in his pocket might be a plot hole, Fury could've literally ended the entire conflict with the Accords in one phone call to Talos or somebody else.
The best part of "Secret Invasion" was Fury and his wife! LOVE the Hasselhoff Fury reference!
I thought New Asgard was a little different of a situation because they were worshipped as gods by the Norwegians
that's not the same thing; asgardians can't impersonate anyone in the world (well, except maybe loki but technically he's not even an asgardian native; he's originally from jotunheim)
Tbh i agreed with Gravik 👍 he was wronged and given false promises by Fury. Fury used the Skrulls for his own gain too. That, plus he was right about humans. Just killing each other in the thousands year after year needlessly...
Gravik is a racist that hated humans and resented other aliens like the kree because his species lost their planet. There’s no possible way he wanted a multi-specie planet, he wanted earth for his people only. If he wanted a multi-specie planet then he would have supported Talos cause that’s exactly what he was trying to achieve. Gravik barely liked his own people once they started seeing how crazy he was.
Fury sure lived long enough to become a villain. The MCU should own that.
Zemo is just a lesser Batman and I’m with him
My theory is Ryan wanted this to be true while he was watching Secret Invasion and when it turned out that Gravik was just a milk toast bad guy he coped by nursing his pet theory anyway.
Tbh I regret the comment. I do think the theory is wishful thinking, but it only stands out in relief against the high quality of work that is put into this channel. I really enjoy the videos Ryan and his team put out, and it was cheap of me to snipe at them there. I hope they keep up the good work and ignore idiots like me who criticize them when they take risks.
Nice to see you do a piece on Secret Invasion that isn't so super negative.
13:08 Why does the Earth continents shaped like Hulk😅😂
Please do Riddler for one of these videos. I’d love to see this channel’s “justification” for what he does in The Batman.
Bloodline is as unique as at least 20 different old Amiga 500 games from the early 90's.
If they had just incorporated the planet Thanos lived on, it would have been an amazing piece of writing. Put them all on that planet
I have an idea for villain was right. Stormfront from the boys. I dont talk about the whole nazi thing but the line (people believe in what i say. they just dont like the word nazi.) I think this would be a good video.
Still don’t get why they don’t just send the skrulls to that clearly habitable planet thanos retired on. Think Kevin Fiege completely forgot about that planet.
I thought we agreed to just pretend Secret Invasion didn't happen
😂
Fury comes back to earth, reveals to the audience that he MAJORLY dropped the ball with the Skrulls, makes the situation worse, then leaves.
Why?
I really like the idea of the new captain america fighting against a xenophobic new world government
Agents of Shield is a wonderful show❤ and What If is great also
Fury and his Howling Commandoes deserve a solo film
Earth had so many infinity stone precisely because it was such a back water planet and no one would think to look here for anything. It's the reason Odin chose to hide his infinity stone there instead of taking it back to Asgard. In reality earth should only have had the one stone, just the one the sorcerers were charged to keep. And the devastation of Zandar and the final battle against Thanos proved no inhabited planet should have ever harbor an infinity stone to begin with. Morag and Vormir had the right ideas, keep those stones away from inhabited places.
This man just love kissing the butt of villains. And secret invasions was actually pretty good. Fight me
Loved the vídeo, but Ryan you didnt notice the biggest diference between Asgardians and Skrulls. The skrulls aided the USA during the 90s and 00s so they are, logically, a threat to the rest of the world, other countries. The world is bigger then north america, and the asgardians not only didnt make enemies, but also helped save it with Thor.
Another Villain was right some goes list Thanos, Killmoger and Kang. Now Gravik, who next villains was right
For most of us, Gavik is just an extra in MCU...
But the thing is, secret invasion was a good show and this video makes it even better to me, gravik and everyone was right in their motives and feelings towards other characters and situations, gravik was determined but blinded by his confidence and got beat by fury by what fury does best, let other people handle his problems for him, gravik was so sure a human would be fine in Chernobyl that he never thought that a skrull would disguise themself as fury and also I found his death to be poetic as everyone he’s killed never you to fight back or ever really had a chance to, g’iah got to get justice for her mother and father, skrulls and other aliens are now even more ostracized by earth and will be hunted if the government finds out about them, Nick will have learned from this experience and have more faith in earth and the skrulls who still want to help him, g’iah and Sonya add hunting down more energy skrulls and also for anyone who has a problem with gravik’s death clearly missed iron man 3 cuz Aldridge Lillian was killed in similar ways as gravik and we’ve also seen that anyone in the mcu that can heal can still be killed if you destroy the heart or the head, thanos can be stabbed in his heart and killed like seen in MOM, hulk can have his heart exploded therefore he needs it to even be the hulk and so on and so forth, it’s a good show with consequences that’ll play a role in the future of the mcu
Gravik didn't think for one second that a human would be fine in Chernobyl that's why he wouldn't let Fury take the iodine pills he told him to bring and even told him that when he feels it in his elbow that the poisoning would kill him at that point
I like your theory I think everyone thinks the mcu failed this plot driven story it could’ve been so much better had they made it into a 2 part movie or a 10 episode series and actually followed the comic a lot more it feels like they made budget cuts they shouldn’t have done this should’ve been Disney plus secret wars with a cast full of mcu characters and it could’ve introduced characters now instead of later like the fantastic four and more super skrulls I think the comic line was epic and they failed it I still watched it like most mcu fans but it lossed on rewatch ability because I like rewatching the whole of mcu every so often and this one I got no problem just skipping
Nahh that would have been lame and I’m glad they change the story cos they down a good job with secret invasion as it the best marvel show so lousy rewatch the show and shut up 👍🏽
Exactly what I said it needed at least9 episodes like wandavision and they needed more of the original story whether they used superheroes or not not only that every episode was progressively shorter no need to tell one of the greatest comic stories ever and completely half ass it.
Every storyline Ryan pulled out is ten times better than the crap we actually get.
This is so much better than what we got! this would have made an amazing series. sadly they waisted the fantastic talent they had
Secret invasion set up a future of earth MCU
What is ryan smoking? This theory should audition as Reed Richards as it was so stretched
Question though: I know Skrulls are cool with radiation. Are they cool with nuclear blasts though?
Nice videooo
Great video, but don’t cal me Shirley
The difference is the Asgardians didn’t attempt to take over. The skulls actually attempted to secretly infiltrate. So you really think earth would be like oh don’t worry about that stay awhile?!?!
Wasn’t Thanos and the blip a nexus event? It’s supposed to happen so Kang could learn how to time travel.
5:51...
"RobotDragons"?...
Those "Chitauri-Haulers" Were ArmorClad-FlyingAlienMonster-SpaceManatees!
(Not "RobotDragons".)😜
I agree with Ryan in this point, the writers should have leaned into the racism aspect of the Skulls and the US but we know that the MCU would never go for that. They tried to address it in FAWS but werent allowed to go very deep into it, so they kept it all surface level. It's a shame as i think the MCUs reluctance to give 100% into these issues (or even 75%) negatively effects their storylines
I don't think Gravik would have let any other species come to Earth.
This is definitely not what gravik wanted to do.
Earth did have alien allies in another timeline. General Hale was with the confederacy in Agents of Shield.
Agents of shields ain’t canon lol
@@symbolofpeacetv1578 “another timeline”
You make it sound like Secret Invasion is underappreciated.
I’m going to be honest, I don’t even know who Gravik is. I know who Thanos is because he was a well written threat of a villain in a good series.
Peacekeeper?! He literally said he wants war!
It would’ve been a lot better if the president said that “if you’re a peaceful alien who needs refuge earth will be your home. However we won’t tolerate any who want to do us harm.” Much classier
Nahh that would have been lame
The biggest plot error in MCU history: fury finding a place for the skrulls……
Thanos’s planet that he went to after the snap has to come up on the marvels it makes zero sense!
it doesn't matter how right Gravik might have been, it's the way he went about doing things that was brutally wrong. He killed a lot of his own kind. He made his own species and humans despise him which was pretty stupid on his part
4:00 um... this happens ALL THE TIME. In the US, THE smoothest path to citizenship for people without money is to join the US military.
I would 100% support Disney re-releasing this show like "Snyder-Cut-esque" style so it could just fix all the idiot stuff they messed up...
I'm not so sure you can compare the Asgardians to the Skrull.
The humans of Scandinavia share a heritage, culture and probably DNA with the Asgardians. Norway already shared a connection.