The battle was still going on all the way up until love was reincarnated it just changed from a battle of fists swords and axes and hammers to a war and battle of words and the hearts so she did die in battle
I think the Odin was still in battle as well he was keeping his evil daughter at Bay at all times you lost the battle therefore he went to Valhalla it was a mental battle
I don't believe Odin's enchantment for "worthiness" was broken when he died. I think Hela could break it because she is more powerful than Odin's magic. The shards of Mjnolnir were still where they fell, implying they couldn't be moved from the grassy spot.
Ryan you said “Odin’s enchantment on the hammer ended when he died in Ragnorok, that’s why Hela can hold it” That’s incorrect sir. Odins enchantment is intact past his death.. The Odin force still exists in thor. Hela can hold Mjolnir because it was her weapon BEFORE Thor. Also at the end of this movie thor gives gorrs daughter stormbreaker to use in battle because she’s not worthy to hold Mjolnir, so by default she had to use stormbreaker. Even earlier in the film Thor raises Mjolnir up to hand it to Jane and says “just checking” to make sure he’s even still worthy, which he was and was happy about it.
Actually, it's possible that Gorr's daughter is able to pick up Mjolnir because when Thor was looking for it, she had drawn things on it. It is implied that she moved it from it's original place by the fact that Thor couldn't find it initially and only finds ut when she tells him where it is, with all the drawings.
@@Shyny_Yordy she never lifted the hammer. She only drew on the face up side. If anyone could lift the hammer that would grant anyone the power of Thor. Like the above comment said, they had to dig out the ground around Mjolnir for the shrine because the pieces are immoveable.. Also for further evidence in a deleted scene from Ragnorok when hela kills Odin in the alley, he clearly states he was transferring all of his power into Thor. So all of odins magic is still a thing, the Odin force lives in Thor.. I don’t think Thor even knows what he’s capable of fully yet…
I don’t think the guards they defeated in Omnipotence City are actually gods. They appear to be the kind of golden automotons (robots) Hephaestus was always forging in Greek mythology.
You make this mistake twice. "Odin didn't die in battle" which is wrong. Not all battles are with swords, axes and hammers, especially when you're dealing with the odin force. He flat out says that he's been using his power to contain hela, who's been fighting him for her freedom for years and he's finally too weak to contain her. He dies, she portal's out. He died in battle, it just wasn't an obvious battle. As I've said though, I'm not sure how 'nice' valhalla would be, given you just know that it would be nothing but Odin, Hela and Loki all sniping at each other trying to make each other miserable.
My theory on the Cancer is since Jane was already at stage 4 before they discovered it, and as Dr. Selvig confirmed, none of the treatments were working, she was going to die anyway so really the hammer wasn't "killing" her so much as accelerating what was going to happen. She even mentions in the movie that she's rather live like Thor and help people rather than be sick in a bed. In the comics it was different, but in the comics the had years to explore the story arc, not under two hours with screaming goats getting as much screen time as Jane and Gorr. ;)
I don’t get this or why this was a question. The movie explained it, the hammer destroys all that is bad for the body. Chemo actually is poison, but it’s our only method of fighting cancer at the moment as it’s better to kill of the cancer & slowly poison a person than have the cancer take over. So the hammer destroyed the chemo, that simple.
@@davidd.3555 yes, but in the comics she had a chance at recovery when she became Thor, so using the hammer was "killing" her. In the movie, none of the treatments are working at all, so the idea that the hammer was "killing" her isn't so cut and dry. It might have accelerated her death but it wasn't changing the outcome.
@@andrewshandle the hammer gave her good health and strengthened her. Which probably means it was strengthening her cells. Cancer is the body creating rogue cell. It’s not a foreign body. So the hammer strengthened her cancer against the chemotherapy working to destroy her cells. That’s why she was getting so much weaker. The hammer couldn’t save her for that reason.
@@ellatino55 no, no, no. That's not how chemo works...like, at all. There's not reason to make up all sorts of fake science when they not only explain it in the movie, they go into massive detail on it in the comics. The hammer isn't "making the cancer stronger" it's eliminating the chemo treatment from the body (and all the non-chemo therapeutics she's taking as well). When you get cancer treatment it doesn't take effect _only_ during the time you are in the hospital, it continues to work, and depending on what type of treatment is its (like directed radiation treatment) it can literally kill cancer cells for over 18 months....but when she turns to Thor, all that stops as her new form eliminates the foreign bodies, and given how she's also using a lot of energy, transforming back into plain Jane is putting a crap of stress on her body that is no longer fighting cancer. Given that the treatments aren't working at all in the movie _before_ she becomes Thor, she was already going to die, so it's really not a hard decision for her. She either becomes Thor, helps people and dies or she stays in a hospital bed and dies a few days or weeks later. There's no reason to make it more complicated than it is.
I thought the hammer still had the worthiness enchantment on it after Odin died - I never thought hella was ‘lifting’ the hammer, but really just stopping it in its path - probably a technicality, but Thor does lift Mjolnir (sp?) in Love & Thunder and says, “just checking” which I thought implied that the worthiness requirement was still active 🤷♂️
Also if the enchantment was lifted after Odin's death, the pieces of Mjolnir would be easily picked up. Instead they have to build a monument around it on the ground and dig around the pieces. If it lost it's enchantment when Odin died, they could have easily moved it to a museum instead of keeping it in the same spot where it fell.
Here's what I think: Jane was able to get into Valhalla since she believed in Norse Mythology. Taweret in Moon Knight explained that the after life for each individual depends on their belief so Jane may not have been an Asgardian but she had faith in the Norse Gods.
I think so. Same as a Jewish like Marc Spector and Layla's father, one who have met an Egyptian God, and one is a researcher who studied Egyptian gods. They both went to Egyptian afterlife.
So many “plot holes” are just people not paying attention or assuming characters know what we know. Thank you for always providing great content and not being one of those channels that just craps on everything.
16:00 The contradiction between Mjolnir giving someone good health, but killing her: That's the thing about cancer. It's not some foreign pathogen like bacteria. It's YOU. It's just your own tissue reproducing out of control and sucking resources out of surrounding tissues to do so. So Mjolnir making her stronger could have been making her cancer stronger as well, thus killing her faster.
Thors mother DID turn into dust tho, only after her funeral. It literally happened in Dark World, everybody forgets that lol. I think that plot hole of not seeing certain people turn into dust can be explained by that funeral. Sometimes it just doesn’t happen right away.
@@terrajae9629 Thor Dark World does suck. Also this now asks the question why did she turn to dust late when everyone else turn to dust in a few seconds in Thor L+T?
@@SpyJamz This might be a bit of a stretch but I believe this could because while she was dead, her soul had not been laid to rest yet. Oden was at peace and went freely to Valhalla which is why he turned right away. Frigga was killed in battle and it wasn’t until she was laid to rest at the funeral did she turn into dust. This also can apply to Jane because she had made peace with her death at the moment it happened, she went peacefully knowing Thor would still have Love in his life. So yeah, there might not be too much evidence that supports my interpretation but that’s they way that I see it. It could’ve been better explained but I don’t think it’s a plot hole. Cause there is an explanation there but they didn’t explicitly say it. Dark World is one of the lesser MCU Films for sure. Personally I find enjoyment in all the films to an extent. Some way better than others, but there are some great moments in Dark World that are often overlooked. But I think it’s still good. Though I am probably biased.
In Norse mythology, the Valkyries were the ones who took the souls of the fallen warriors to Valhalla. But in the MCU, Hela wiped out all the Valkyries except for Valkyrie who then retired from her duties. I guess after that happened, Odin and Heimdall put their heads together and came up with the gold-dust system?
4:20 No, the worthiness enchantment was not broken. In Love and Thunder the tour guide even mentions that the pieces of Mjolnir were immovable. Hela didn't "hold" Mjolnir. She simply halted its forward progress to her then crushed it.
They say it in the film - Mjolnir is keeping Jane in “good health” as best it can, but that means it is removing the toxic chemo from her body, and not the cancer. All her chemo treatments keep getting neutralized because Mjolnir sees the toxins as a danger to her health.
Thats a good explanation i thought was since she was mortal so maybe its to powerful for her or because its broken because maybe it has the opposite effect
I don't think Odin goes to Valhalla because he gets to control it. Couldn't it be that him keeping Hela away was what made him go to Valhalla? Because he technically did die on the battlefield, just a very different battle than what we´re normally used to
Why did Gorr bring back his daughter since previously in the movie he said "My daughter was the lucky one. She did not have to grow up in a world of suffering and pain, runner by wicked gods" so he wanted his daughter to live in a god-free world right?
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11:50 I think this one is easier. We saw during a flashback, Thor whisper to Mjolnir to keep Jane safe, the hammer glows with the same symbol that showed when Odin enchanted it with the "if he be worthy" limitation. I took that to mean that during that flashback, which would have taken place after Thor 2 or Age of Ultron, he layered an additional enchantment onto the hammer, and probably did so in a less refined manner than his father. This is why Jane can reform the hammer, but also gets Thor's armor, cape, hair and so on. We never see someone else use Mjolnir after Age of Ultron, until this movie. The Mjolnir in End Game is a time-displaced copy from the events of Thor 2. It being shattered may also explain why its power is ultimately causing Jane harm, the various magics woven onto it are incomplete, and so things aren't operating the way they should.
I'm pretty sure Gorr was at the threshold of death the whole movie, and the minute the necrosword was broken, his death finally could happen. He had been waiting for that death.
Great explanations, I like the Thanos one. Kind of like adventure time, where prizmo grants wishes but it has to be VERY SPECIFIC, thanos is a control freak that wouldn’t allow for any wiggle room. Plus he didn’t have the axe. The bi-frost was on Asgard, how the hell would he bring that with him to the center of the universe.
Also, Gor wanting Stormbreaker because it can summon the bifrost makes sense, as they shot a scene with Etri, wherein Gor could've gotten the information from...
@Matt Mazar agreed, but as I understand it he killed etri in that scene but I dont know why it was cut. Maybe they wanted to keep the character in the universe.
Pretty sure that when Jane uses Mjolnir it heals her dead cancer cells as cancer is a part of her. So when she goes back to being a mortal being it’s like it just reversed all progress chemo could’ve done for her.
Odin also has the Odindinner, OdinHealth Insurance, OdinBall...and to answer the rest of your questions about the movie: it's because Taika wants it that way
Also Thor's idea that you must die in battle to go to Valhalla might just be an Asguardian believe but not actually true - just like for human religions such as Christianity they believe all sorts of ways to go to heaven but nobody ever "comes back" to actually confirm that is actually THE method. So not a plot hole.
I get what your saying but it really only would apply to loosely armchair 'merican Christianity. Most would still agree repentance and belief in Jesus are the way to heaven.
@@kthereturned2874 who even has evidence that belief is even the only true one? no one does, which is the point. And FWIW it applies to all religion which deals with after life. A quick pro-tip: nobody had actually ever came back from the dead in ANY religious beliefs, it's just stuff that gets written down in books or passed down via word of mouth.
I fully agree with you about Stormbreaker's "personality" merely reflecting Thor's inner mindspace. And I also think it applies to Mjolnir. Yes, he wants it and Jane back. Imo heavily implied that he wants the hammer back because of the nostalgia factor and being able to carry it with worthiness enchantment would soften his inner feelings "at least I am still worthy". At the same time, he knows he has Stormbreaker, Jane picked up and is doing good use of it, she needs it to be this powerful, and it would benefit just about everyone else having her join the ranks of the heroes. He kows the right thing to do is to share and possibly let go, after all Jane is free to not be with him if she doesn't want. It is a little left over of his earlier selfish/self centred/arrogant days making that pesky comeback when he is feeling down and lost, old habbits die hard. It is a superficial vestige, he knows what is right, but it is there. So Mjolnir is just reflecting what Thor knows to be right and doing what is right, while Stormbreaker is simply responding to Thor's knowledge he (at the times the hiccups happened) doesn't need Mjolnir or Zeus' bolt and his friends and partners need those weapons far more as he already has one on top of already being incredibly powerful even with no weapon. And yes, I do believe Odin's enchantment still applies even after it was broken, hence no one being able to move it. Hella held it and broke it because in the MCU she was the original user of that hammer, and also she is OP enough to counter Odin's magical childlock spell on Thor's tool.
@@landofthelostzRo the Korg retcon was already stupid and useless enough lol but this guy's answer made it 10x more stupid. He said don't apply Western gender norms to Korg. Even tho Korg applys Western gender norms to himself lol. Ryan should have avoided this question if he was just gonna be an idiot about it
Apologies for the tardy curious - but regarding the Valkyrie Steed, per MCU wiki, name is Aragorn - where was he prior to when seen in Endgame? :D :) Thank you for mentioning that it was pointed out in this movie, Thor: Love & Thunder, that Valkyrie Steeds have bifrost powers/capabilities.
What's with the two Celestials just peaking in the window? How do they partake in Zeus' version of 'herogasm'? Just curious 😜😆 or just watch for research purposes?
Korg applys westernized gender norms to himself. How is our asking questions about it problematic? Clearly it's a retcon but why? It's a meaningless plot point. And you're lying about it to? This is fucking weird
Do you think Thor now has the ability to commune with Jane in spirit form, as he did with Odin after he died in Ragnarok? Also, do you think Jane will return at some point, or will they be reunited in Valhalla upon Thor’s death?
I'd really like you to talk about this bit of Jane's dialogue. One of my favorite scenes. "First Off, The Name Is Mighty Thor! And Secondly, If You Can't Say Mighty Thor I'll Accept Doctor Jane Foster! And Thirdly, EAT MY HAMMER!"
I feel like Mjolnir isn’t leaving Jane due to a command rather. In one scene, Thor commanded that Mjolnir always make sure Jane is protected or safe or taken care of (I don’t remember the exact wording).
are you sure the things with gold blood were gods? I thought they were just robot-soldier-guards created by the Sovereign Also…love that Eternity said it would grant a wish to the 1st bc it ALWAYS knew that wish would be the birth of Love when the universe needed her
Honestly still hard for me to tell to be sure, it looked like golden sand to me rather than golden blood, but the first god for killed had gold blood so maybe they were gods?
My guess is that only warriors who die in battle go to Valhalla whereas Gods just get a free pass. That is why Odin and Jane (basically a Thor) were dusted while the others had to be killed in battle to go to Valhalla.
I think one of the things that is being overlooked is how much Taika Waititi (the director) foreshadows plot elements. One of the plot devices I see people complaining about is the 'travel' system, ie Stormbreaker, Zues's Bolt and even the Pegasis (maybe even Mjolnir, MAYBE). At the beginning of the film Jane wakes up and is sitting next to a young man reading her book. This bit of movie science is to remind us all that Jane is a genius level scientist but ALSO the science she is explaining is specificially dealing with space travel and even more specifically, why the films Interstellar and Event Horizon explain punching a whole in the universe allowing for instant travel. The explination deals with light, Zeus's bolt is light, Stormbreaker is using the light of the Bifrost and I think, with how Mjolnir has been explained in comics, it may too be capable of light speed instant travel. Remember: technically speaking, Mjolnir stays still and the universe moves around IT.
I was under impression that they showed us the axe had roots in the ground so it was growing....may not be a groot but alive in a way....not sure what they gave us to say it was a conduit for his emotions 🤔
Actually, The doctor in the movie says that the thor force was making her cancer worse. Every time she used mjolnir the thor force power made her cancer stronger so it ate away at her body faster. This is directly adapted from the comics except in the comics Jane chooses to stop wielding mjolnir and becomes a valkyrie after she achieved cancer remission. They could also have ended the film that way. Yes I know the Hela killed all the Valkyrie except for Valkyrie (which by the way, its kind of silly that the marvel studios calls her Valkyrie when in the comics that is the name of the regiment of female Pegasus cavalry not a hero; they should give her a proper Asgardian name) but all Valkyrie and Jane would have to do is train more Asgardian women to become Valkyrie. Killing Jane off and sending her to Valhalla simply because Valkyrie is a one woman cavalry now seems like such a waste compared to the better future the comics gave Jane.
When Gorr was in the oasis and stumbling on the ground, he inadvertently cut his hand on the Necrosword, but his wound healed. What was the significance of that or reason?
I think that it’s because it had already chosen Gorr to wield it at that point and healed his hand before he claimed it, since it whispered for him in the first place
@@stormfox7592 What a pointless comment. Why not add something useful instead of just trying to show how smart you are. And also we've all seen screen crush video where he explains this. Si you're not smart. You're just repeating info from a video we've all watched already
1:48 So Odin gets to control who goes to Valhalla. Sounds super convenient 3:30 the personality thing is probably a retcon, as mjinor didn't have a personality in prior films 4:57 Korg's race is all male. Korg mentioned it himself. Anotehr retcon 5:33 pretty sure it's his own powers. Why did he say "power of thor" and not power of thunder or lighting 6:17 Necro sword is super effective against Gods 7:45 Hope the scene is just a send off to Jane. Bringing her back will have less consequence to death in MCU making it meaningless 10:06 Probably not Gorr's daughter. She didn't even cry for Gorr when he died, either that or she was a bad actress 10:33 Valarie gave him directions 11:53 only there to sell toys. he only wore his new helmet suit for 10 secs, and sold everywhere in merch and games (fortnite) 13:48 VFX artists don't want to edit his eye. Have you heard about how VFX artists frustrated about working for Marvel lately? 15:51 Valarie gave her directions. went on pegagus 16:12 she technically didn't die on battlefield. she died of cancer effects after. is there a time delay where you "die in battle" 18:12 writers didn't think of it until they wrote this script 18:37 same answer as before. could have ask etrtri to make him stormbreaker instead of the gauntlet. he should have known about it having conquring many planets, some of which should have contained Gods
3 no not a retcon. Ragnorok is told by Thor whose second language is rock. Love is told straight from the horses mouth Korg who’s first language is rock
when the shadow demons started attacking New Asgard, Im surprised at least a few Asgardians didnt grab some of their armor before heading out on to the streets for the battle
@@master_assassin8848 What's your point??? My point is her using the hammer was killing her because it was basically burning off all the chemo from her body like in the comics?? That's why Thor wanted her to stay back on earth to actually try and heal instead of using the hammer knowing it would be her last time using it. She chose to be a hero regardless.
How did Jane get phantom pains (from Thor getting beat up) in the hospital before she gets to the center of the universe when before she didnt get any when Thor would get hit?
I dont like to disagree with Ryan but: i assume the reason why Jane (Beta Ray Bill) had costume changes is because they were chosen by the hammer. Cap wasnt he was worthy but not chosen
I got some stuff to say, to start: - Gorr the God Butcher is nowhere near like the Gorr on the Comics (even physically not alike) , and I know it doesn't have to be the same but on the comics Gorr is a BEAST, it is even more feared than Thanos by the Gods. it is truly is a menace, he even kills Thor on the comics, it takes even a Future Old Thor plus 2 more Thor's to kill Gorr but here... it doesn't even look physically close to the comics, its a Joke basically (not talking about Bale's performance ok!) - There is a point in the movie were Jane tells Thor to go grab the Axe and she'll hold of Gorr and not to worry about it... Really ? no big deal right ? so she solos Gorr. - The All-Black is not a sword... this was by far the most stupid thing I feel, it does not look like a regular bronze or steel sword from Greece, I mean come on ! and that "Sword" is completely OP!!! in this movie you don't get to see that, at all ! - Putting that aside, Thor... giving kids the power to be like him, although its kind of cool to watch how he can pass down his powers through an enchantment like Odin, its dumb that he doesn't enchant the Axe to be the only one who can wield it and then the kids run off killing the monsters like nobodies business. - The way everyone handles Zeus's bolt... like its a Pen they borrow, even Gorr grabs it like a regular stick and stabs Valkyrie with it, no biggie. - Zeus mentions that he fears Gorr and they "beat" him like no problem and destroy an indestructible weapon, the All-Black can't be destroyed ! - The little girl, how she handles Storm breaker like its a piece of paper is just out of this world, sure you could argue that she has powers from the Eternity but still, its a heavy a*s Axe, you can see when Gorr took it, he was dragging the axe on the floor of how heavy it is. - The comical aspect of the movie, I feel they've gone too far and missed a HUGE opportunity to make a SUPER incredible movie, they took it to a point were its dumb, really dumb, Thor seams dumb, even Zeus mentions that they look like clowns and they do, I know this might be intentional and meant to change in Thor 5 when Hercules arrives BUT putting the other facts I mention before, its not likely that this "Fun" aspect of the movie, was intentional at all. **Everything I mention is not Hate per say, I'm a HUGE fan and that's why I'm very disappointed on this movie, its not what I expected as a fan that reads the comics and know the true potential of the characters here, there's more but I think this is enough, again, some of this stuff are FACTS and others my opinion.**
I can somewhat understand why Tiamut is not talked about in other movies, but i can't understand why people don't talk about the giant celestial who appeared for 10 seconds and kidnapped 4 people in front of half the planet. Even in the MCU world with all the crazy stuff happening, that should be the most frightening.
No, here's one people can't answer. If Thor can actually power up others with Zeus bolt then why the hell didn't he do that on the black and white planet? It would saved Val from being stabbed and they could have beat Gorr much earlier.
@@shinkounova8485 because he trusts Val and Jane while fighting Gorr in the shadow realm. He was with a bunch of kids who hadn’t fought at all. Val had the lightning bolt and Thor already had Stormbreaker.
4:12 There are obviously two enchantments on Mjolnir. One that prevents the unworthy from wielding it, and the one we see Odin put on it. There are several proofs of that: 1- If you listen carefully, he doesn't say "whosoever is not worthy cannot wield this hammer". The enchantment we see him putting on the hammer is to give the power of Thor to whoever can wield it. That's how Thor gets his powers back, and that's how Steve got them too. 2- Thor knew about the worthiness enchantment. When someone in the bar talks about an object fallen from the sky that nobody could lift, he recognized the enchantment. And when he was unable to lift the hammer, he clearly knew why he couldn't lift it. And the enchantment we see Odin put on the hammer is cast only after Thor is already cast out of Asgard.
Hey Ryan. My biggest question is actually from Infinity War. It's something that is ALWAYS overlooked. It's supposed that half the Asgardians made it to earth however, when Thanos kills Loki and Thor is released he destroys Thor's ship completely using the power stone before he uses the space stone to teleport the squad....How in the hell did any Asgardians make it from the ship to earth it makes no sense....Thor is floating away in space before the Guardians find him and his planet is vaporized so to me there should be no Asgardians left to populate new asgard. Please let me know if you got an answer. Thanks!
If you really think about it Odin and Jane did died fighting. For Jane its obvious she lost the battle to cancer. :( Now for Odin he explains he can no longer hold her back, the goddess of death therefore he also lost the battle to contain her and warns them before he goes. ;(
Why didn't they go to Eternity to wish everyone back after the snap? Or wish for the Infinity Stones to be reformed so they can use them to reverse the snap?
You said when ODIN died the magic he placed on would no longer be in effect on thors hammer, but in infinity war Dr. Strange says "breaking a dead man's spell, troublesome" meaning just because ODIN died all his spells and curses remained intact.
In the movies hes the first but in the comics quite a few people have reached Eternity, but the difference is Eternity doesnt always grant wishes as its still a 'sentient being'
I was confused as to why Thor used Storm Breaker to travel back to New Asgard while they were in the Shadow Realm after knowing the bifrost is the key to getting to Eternity and after having another way to get to New Asgard (Zeus's lightning bolt that Valkyrie had).
So could Jane's cancer be caused by the ether being in her? Or was it hereditary since we saw her mother die from it too? Because Dr. Eric Selvig went mad(for some time) after having Loki in his mind. Like it was said, "having a god in your head has consequences." or somewhere along those lines.
- I hope you read this Ryan Arey... In the context of the film, and not just because the plot wills it so, what would be the reason why the Necro Sword showed Gorr Eternity and his whole deal? The sword has a form of sentience, especially if you go by the comic book version, so what would be the benefit for the sword to show a mortal this knowledge?
You need to forget the comics, they're not going to touch the the comic book version of the sword in the MCU because of Sony. In the movie, the sword wanted all gods dead, and so it showed Gorr how to do it...and frankly, he came within a whisker of doing it which was better than the Necro Sword's old host did.
The way I understood jane going to valhalla was that she was in fact in battle, she was constantly battling the cancer. They specifically made a point to say that someone needs to die in battle to get to valhalla so I’m pretty confident that’s why they made sure she died out of battle, to show her battle wasnt with gorr, it was with cancer
I'm pretty sure the doctor who talked to Thor about Jane (which tbh may have been a HIPPA violation?) said that something was preventing the chemo from working. I took that to mean that mjolnir was resetting her treatment every time she used it so she never got any benefit from chemo treatments in between Mighty Thor power ups. I think that's how it worked in the comics.
I just decided as a head cannon that Odin having dedicating a majority of his life to battle that he was Valhalla worthy even when he was a young conquering god
The book about Viking's and Asgardians also mentions that it Purges any toxins from the user (You can even see it briefly on the page that Jane is reading) but she overlooks that part. This is what happened to her in the comics. It purged the treatments from her bloodstream, thus inhibiting her ability to heal.
Part of your answer for Mjonir and worthiness doesn’t work with one line of dialogue in this movie where Thor picks up the hammer while it’s sitting on that barrel and he says he was just checking, which is clearly him checking his worthiness which means even though Odin is gone, this hammer still needs worthiness
I believe in the comics the explanation for Jane getting sicker as she uses the hammer was that it would remove all her chemotherapy from her body every time she transformed. Kinda makes sense since chemo is essentially poison that is meant to eradicate cancer and if the hammer is said to provide health, removing poison would make sense.
Also I think in the comics cancer is meant to be the one thing that no one ever really survives. Since the original Captain Mar-Vel died of cancer, it might be a nod to that.
The enchantment strengthens her ENTIRE BODY. At includes the cancer. So she has thor cancer when shes Mighty Thor. And since she doesnt have asgardian physiology to fight it off, it continued as though she were human, but with the added negative of removing her chemo.
Love the princess bride reference. I think you got one thing wrong. Gorr goes to earth because Jane Foster Thor is on Earth and has the power of a god now that she turned into Mighty Thor.
Yes, about 10 mins into the video the Cosmic force was mentioned. I saw an interview with Feige on MTV where he specifically mentioned the different parts of the future, Dr. Strange in the Spiritual World, Daredevil/Spidey in the street world - also Cosmic. In the same breath, Feige said Spidey and Cosmic as in this is a world in the MCU just like the Spiritual world... So I can 98% say the Cosmic Spidey will emerge at some point and maybe Love Gore's daughter is part of that story.
A lot of the hate I see for this movie come from people just not paying attention. I've seen a few who have actual arguments, but the vast majority that I see are people hating for no good reason
Being able to grant 1 wish in the center of the universe is a HUGE power that was wasted on something so minor. That coulda been used on something way more important.
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The battle was still going on all the way up until love was reincarnated it just changed from a battle of fists swords and axes and hammers to a war and battle of words and the hearts so she did die in battle
I think the Odin was still in battle as well he was keeping his evil daughter at Bay at all times you lost the battle therefore he went to Valhalla it was a mental battle
Jane has Ether Cancer!!! Its not a normal cancer...
When kamala falls through the floor and we see the shadow people I think k that's our first sighting of the negative zone.
All of those murders committed in omnipotent city were just brushed over like nothing 😄 Thor even joked about killing Zeus... Pretty dark matter
Valkyrie's horse is named Warsong. In the comics, it's Aragorn. Jane has a horse in the comics, too. It's named Mr. Horse. 🙂
MR. HORSE !!!
I have a horse in Red Dead Redemption 2. She's called Roach. Named after Roach from The Witcher .
and spider man named one buttercup
Sounds like a Narnia reference The Magician’s Nephew by CS Lewis, I think Mr Horse was the name of the talking Horse in that story.
I guess that Mr. Horse has an alter personality called Moon Horse. lol
I don't believe Odin's enchantment for "worthiness" was broken when he died. I think Hela could break it because she is more powerful than Odin's magic. The shards of Mjnolnir were still where they fell, implying they couldn't be moved from the grassy spot.
Are you forgetting the fact that mjolnir used to belong to Hela?
I was wondering if he missed that too. In the movie they clearly said they couldn't move it, so they built the dome over the pieces.
@@amaljay8158 that was way before the worthiness spell and I doubt Hela was worthy
@@DoubleDOwnage Maybe they are just strong enough to carry mjolnir it is made from some very sturdy space metal
how would Hela be more powerful when her whole plot in the MCU only began when Odin died. he was what was keeping her awau
Ryan you said “Odin’s enchantment on the hammer ended when he died in Ragnorok, that’s why Hela can hold it” That’s incorrect sir. Odins enchantment is intact past his death.. The Odin force still exists in thor. Hela can hold Mjolnir because it was her weapon BEFORE Thor. Also at the end of this movie thor gives gorrs daughter stormbreaker to use in battle because she’s not worthy to hold Mjolnir, so by default she had to use stormbreaker. Even earlier in the film Thor raises Mjolnir up to hand it to Jane and says “just checking” to make sure he’s even still worthy, which he was and was happy about it.
and right before jane gets chosen by mjolnir the tour guide said the hammer pieces were unmovable.
@@rexarrow4133 exactly
@@rexarrow4133 I just paused this video to say this exact same thing
Actually, it's possible that Gorr's daughter is able to pick up Mjolnir because when Thor was looking for it, she had drawn things on it.
It is implied that she moved it from it's original place by the fact that Thor couldn't find it initially and only finds ut when she tells him where it is, with all the drawings.
@@Shyny_Yordy she never lifted the hammer. She only drew on the face up side. If anyone could lift the hammer that would grant anyone the power of Thor. Like the above comment said, they had to dig out the ground around Mjolnir for the shrine because the pieces are immoveable.. Also for further evidence in a deleted scene from Ragnorok when hela kills Odin in the alley, he clearly states he was transferring all of his power into Thor. So all of odins magic is still a thing, the Odin force lives in Thor.. I don’t think Thor even knows what he’s capable of fully yet…
I don’t think the guards they defeated in Omnipotence City are actually gods. They appear to be the kind of golden automotons (robots) Hephaestus was always forging in Greek mythology.
Probably midasians. The gold people from GoTG 2
That’s a good head canon
@@TiberiusRex182 I don’t think so, they think they are the best people in the galaxy, I doubt they would serve someone else
I assumed they were something similar to that as well. But the did have golden blood, similar to the first god that Gore killed. So who knows…
perhaps they got wounded, like .Zues., but did not actually die...
You make this mistake twice. "Odin didn't die in battle" which is wrong. Not all battles are with swords, axes and hammers, especially when you're dealing with the odin force. He flat out says that he's been using his power to contain hela, who's been fighting him for her freedom for years and he's finally too weak to contain her. He dies, she portal's out. He died in battle, it just wasn't an obvious battle.
As I've said though, I'm not sure how 'nice' valhalla would be, given you just know that it would be nothing but Odin, Hela and Loki all sniping at each other trying to make each other miserable.
I don’t think Hela went to Valhalla…
Hela and Loki will likely ending up in Hel.
The snark remark would be to say it's about time Odin sits in Valhalla.
@@onetwothreeabc Loki going in Valhalla. As he died in battle.
@@omkarvedpathak1696 It depends on which timeline :)
My theory on the Cancer is since Jane was already at stage 4 before they discovered it, and as Dr. Selvig confirmed, none of the treatments were working, she was going to die anyway so really the hammer wasn't "killing" her so much as accelerating what was going to happen. She even mentions in the movie that she's rather live like Thor and help people rather than be sick in a bed. In the comics it was different, but in the comics the had years to explore the story arc, not under two hours with screaming goats getting as much screen time as Jane and Gorr. ;)
I don’t get this or why this was a question. The movie explained it, the hammer destroys all that is bad for the body. Chemo actually is poison, but it’s our only method of fighting cancer at the moment as it’s better to kill of the cancer & slowly poison a person than have the cancer take over. So the hammer destroyed the chemo, that simple.
@@davidd.3555 yes, but in the comics she had a chance at recovery when she became Thor, so using the hammer was "killing" her. In the movie, none of the treatments are working at all, so the idea that the hammer was "killing" her isn't so cut and dry. It might have accelerated her death but it wasn't changing the outcome.
@@andrewshandle the hammer gave her good health and strengthened her. Which probably means it was strengthening her cells. Cancer is the body creating rogue cell. It’s not a foreign body. So the hammer strengthened her cancer against the chemotherapy working to destroy her cells. That’s why she was getting so much weaker. The hammer couldn’t save her for that reason.
Completely agree! many people forget that that at the beggining of the movie we are told the treatments are not working.
@@ellatino55 no, no, no. That's not how chemo works...like, at all. There's not reason to make up all sorts of fake science when they not only explain it in the movie, they go into massive detail on it in the comics.
The hammer isn't "making the cancer stronger" it's eliminating the chemo treatment from the body (and all the non-chemo therapeutics she's taking as well). When you get cancer treatment it doesn't take effect _only_ during the time you are in the hospital, it continues to work, and depending on what type of treatment is its (like directed radiation treatment) it can literally kill cancer cells for over 18 months....but when she turns to Thor, all that stops as her new form eliminates the foreign bodies, and given how she's also using a lot of energy, transforming back into plain Jane is putting a crap of stress on her body that is no longer fighting cancer.
Given that the treatments aren't working at all in the movie _before_ she becomes Thor, she was already going to die, so it's really not a hard decision for her. She either becomes Thor, helps people and dies or she stays in a hospital bed and dies a few days or weeks later.
There's no reason to make it more complicated than it is.
I thought the hammer still had the worthiness enchantment on it after Odin died - I never thought hella was ‘lifting’ the hammer, but really just stopping it in its path - probably a technicality, but Thor does lift Mjolnir (sp?) in Love & Thunder and says, “just checking” which I thought implied that the worthiness requirement was still active 🤷♂️
Also if the enchantment was lifted after Odin's death, the pieces of Mjolnir would be easily picked up. Instead they have to build a monument around it on the ground and dig around the pieces. If it lost it's enchantment when Odin died, they could have easily moved it to a museum instead of keeping it in the same spot where it fell.
Here's what I think:
Jane was able to get into Valhalla since she believed in Norse Mythology. Taweret in Moon Knight explained that the after life for each individual depends on their belief so Jane may not have been an Asgardian but she had faith in the Norse Gods.
Bingo. Valhalla is for those who believe in Norse mythology that die a warrior's death.
I think so. Same as a Jewish like Marc Spector and Layla's father, one who have met an Egyptian God, and one is a researcher who studied Egyptian gods. They both went to Egyptian afterlife.
She Jewish
@@coreylevine8095 so is Marc Specter but he ended up in the Egyptian Underworld, Duat.
@@coreylevine8095 She has literally seen and lived with the norse gods. It's pretty hard to not believe in their existence then
So many “plot holes” are just people not paying attention or assuming characters know what we know. Thank you for always providing great content and not being one of those channels that just craps on everything.
Yeah, a problem with the MCU is that we, as viewers, are almost omniscients, we know a lot of things that the characters ignore
Its really amazing how many issues with the movie can be adressed by watching the movie.
Thanks for that. So so so many of these nitpicks are actually explained in the movie or earlier movies! The whining is driving me insane
16:00 The contradiction between Mjolnir giving someone good health, but killing her: That's the thing about cancer. It's not some foreign pathogen like bacteria. It's YOU. It's just your own tissue reproducing out of control and sucking resources out of surrounding tissues to do so. So Mjolnir making her stronger could have been making her cancer stronger as well, thus killing her faster.
Thors mother DID turn into dust tho, only after her funeral. It literally happened in Dark World, everybody forgets that lol. I think that plot hole of not seeing certain people turn into dust can be explained by that funeral. Sometimes it just doesn’t happen right away.
Ppl swear Thor the Dark World sucks and doesn't matter
@@terrajae9629 Thor Dark World does suck. Also this now asks the question why did she turn to dust late when everyone else turn to dust in a few seconds in Thor L+T?
@@SpyJamz This might be a bit of a stretch but I believe this could because while she was dead, her soul had not been laid to rest yet. Oden was at peace and went freely to Valhalla which is why he turned right away. Frigga was killed in battle and it wasn’t until she was laid to rest at the funeral did she turn into dust. This also can apply to Jane because she had made peace with her death at the moment it happened, she went peacefully knowing Thor would still have Love in his life.
So yeah, there might not be too much evidence that supports my interpretation but that’s they way that I see it. It could’ve been better explained but I don’t think it’s a plot hole. Cause there is an explanation there but they didn’t explicitly say it.
Dark World is one of the lesser MCU Films for sure. Personally I find enjoyment in all the films to an extent. Some way better than others, but there are some great moments in Dark World that are often overlooked. But I think it’s still good. Though I am probably biased.
@@SpyJamzWhy is Dark World beholden to what was done in _later_ Thor movies?! People disappear when it works best for the scene
In Norse mythology, the Valkyries were the ones who took the souls of the fallen warriors to Valhalla. But in the MCU, Hela wiped out all the Valkyries except for Valkyrie who then retired from her duties. I guess after that happened, Odin and Heimdall put their heads together and came up with the gold-dust system?
4:20 No, the worthiness enchantment was not broken. In Love and Thunder the tour guide even mentions that the pieces of Mjolnir were immovable. Hela didn't "hold" Mjolnir. She simply halted its forward progress to her then crushed it.
They say it in the film - Mjolnir is keeping Jane in “good health” as best it can, but that means it is removing the toxic chemo from her body, and not the cancer. All her chemo treatments keep getting neutralized because Mjolnir sees the toxins as a danger to her health.
Thats a good explanation i thought was since she was mortal so maybe its to powerful for her or because its broken because maybe it has the opposite effect
Axel needs to have a guitar forged to summon the bifrost to New Asgard
And wearing Slash’s top hat
I don't think Odin goes to Valhalla because he gets to control it.
Couldn't it be that him keeping Hela away was what made him go to Valhalla?
Because he technically did die on the battlefield, just a very different battle than what we´re normally used to
I thought the same thing. If a battle with cancer counts, then so does expending lifeforce to hold off a powerful invader
Everytime someone asks: How can you explain (a very hard question) this?
Ryan: Magic.
Why did Gorr bring back his daughter since previously in the movie he said "My daughter was the lucky one. She did not have to grow up in a world of suffering and pain, runner by wicked gods" so he wanted his daughter to live in a god-free world right?
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11:50 I think this one is easier. We saw during a flashback, Thor whisper to Mjolnir to keep Jane safe, the hammer glows with the same symbol that showed when Odin enchanted it with the "if he be worthy" limitation. I took that to mean that during that flashback, which would have taken place after Thor 2 or Age of Ultron, he layered an additional enchantment onto the hammer, and probably did so in a less refined manner than his father. This is why Jane can reform the hammer, but also gets Thor's armor, cape, hair and so on. We never see someone else use Mjolnir after Age of Ultron, until this movie. The Mjolnir in End Game is a time-displaced copy from the events of Thor 2. It being shattered may also explain why its power is ultimately causing Jane harm, the various magics woven onto it are incomplete, and so things aren't operating the way they should.
I'm pretty sure Gorr was at the threshold of death the whole movie, and the minute the necrosword was broken, his death finally could happen. He had been waiting for that death.
Great explanations, I like the Thanos one. Kind of like adventure time, where prizmo grants wishes but it has to be VERY SPECIFIC, thanos is a control freak that wouldn’t allow for any wiggle room. Plus he didn’t have the axe. The bi-frost was on Asgard, how the hell would he bring that with him to the center of the universe.
Love the adventure time refrence! That part get my little kid brain thinkin hard
I swear Thor could’ve been like:
Ok so, give me *insert very big number here* more wishes
Also, Gor wanting Stormbreaker because it can summon the bifrost makes sense, as they shot a scene with Etri, wherein Gor could've gotten the information from...
@Matt Mazar agreed, but as I understand it he killed etri in that scene but I dont know why it was cut. Maybe they wanted to keep the character in the universe.
12:45 Gorr went to New Asgard to lure in Thor so he can steal Stormbreaker
and why did Gorr agree to Thor (A god= the one thing he hates the most) adopting his daughter(the one thing he loves the most) ??
Pretty sure that when Jane uses Mjolnir it heals her dead cancer cells as cancer is a part of her. So when she goes back to being a mortal being it’s like it just reversed all progress chemo could’ve done for her.
Yeah makes sense from a scientific perspective....but it is a famtasy film though
Odin also has the Odindinner, OdinHealth Insurance, OdinBall...and to answer the rest of your questions about the movie: it's because Taika wants it that way
Also Thor's idea that you must die in battle to go to Valhalla might just be an Asguardian believe but not actually true - just like for human religions such as Christianity they believe all sorts of ways to go to heaven but nobody ever "comes back" to actually confirm that is actually THE method. So not a plot hole.
I get what your saying but it really only would apply to loosely armchair 'merican Christianity. Most would still agree repentance and belief in Jesus are the way to heaven.
@@kthereturned2874 who even has evidence that belief is even the only true one? no one does, which is the point. And FWIW it applies to all religion which deals with after life. A quick pro-tip: nobody had actually ever came back from the dead in ANY religious beliefs, it's just stuff that gets written down in books or passed down via word of mouth.
I fully agree with you about Stormbreaker's "personality" merely reflecting Thor's inner mindspace. And I also think it applies to Mjolnir. Yes, he wants it and Jane back. Imo heavily implied that he wants the hammer back because of the nostalgia factor and being able to carry it with worthiness enchantment would soften his inner feelings "at least I am still worthy". At the same time, he knows he has Stormbreaker, Jane picked up and is doing good use of it, she needs it to be this powerful, and it would benefit just about everyone else having her join the ranks of the heroes. He kows the right thing to do is to share and possibly let go, after all Jane is free to not be with him if she doesn't want. It is a little left over of his earlier selfish/self centred/arrogant days making that pesky comeback when he is feeling down and lost, old habbits die hard. It is a superficial vestige, he knows what is right, but it is there. So Mjolnir is just reflecting what Thor knows to be right and doing what is right, while Stormbreaker is simply responding to Thor's knowledge he (at the times the hiccups happened) doesn't need Mjolnir or Zeus' bolt and his friends and partners need those weapons far more as he already has one on top of already being incredibly powerful even with no weapon.
And yes, I do believe Odin's enchantment still applies even after it was broken, hence no one being able to move it. Hella held it and broke it because in the MCU she was the original user of that hammer, and also she is OP enough to counter Odin's magical childlock spell on Thor's tool.
He really didn't want to answer the obvious Korg question
Because diversity lol
@@landofthelostzRo the Korg retcon was already stupid and useless enough lol but this guy's answer made it 10x more stupid. He said don't apply Western gender norms to Korg. Even tho Korg applys Western gender norms to himself lol. Ryan should have avoided this question if he was just gonna be an idiot about it
Odin's enchantment did not break when he died that's why the Pieces of Mjolnir are unmovable stones
Do you have any more questions?
How does all of the phase 4 moves connected
Apologies for the tardy curious - but regarding the Valkyrie Steed, per MCU wiki, name is Aragorn - where was he prior to when seen in Endgame? :D :)
Thank you for mentioning that it was pointed out in this movie, Thor: Love & Thunder, that Valkyrie Steeds have bifrost powers/capabilities.
What's with the two Celestials just peaking in the window? How do they partake in Zeus' version of 'herogasm'? Just curious 😜😆 or just watch for research purposes?
Korg applys westernized gender norms to himself. How is our asking questions about it problematic? Clearly it's a retcon but why? It's a meaningless plot point. And you're lying about it to? This is fucking weird
@@epicplayz3898 gonna have to wait till phase 4 ends... probably GOTG 3 or antman 3
Many afterlife exists, afterlives are shaped in accordance to the person's beliefs and their afterlife is shaped because of it.
Do you think Thor now has the ability to commune with Jane in spirit form, as he did with Odin after he died in Ragnarok? Also, do you think Jane will return at some point, or will they be reunited in Valhalla upon Thor’s death?
In the comics Jane is reborn as a Valkyrie after dying of cancer and going to Valhalla ,I’m pretty sure they’re going on the same route !
I'd really like you to talk about this bit of Jane's dialogue. One of my favorite scenes.
"First Off, The Name Is Mighty Thor! And Secondly, If You Can't Say Mighty Thor I'll Accept Doctor Jane Foster! And Thirdly, EAT MY HAMMER!"
I feel like Mjolnir isn’t leaving Jane due to a command rather. In one scene, Thor commanded that Mjolnir always make sure Jane is protected or safe or taken care of (I don’t remember the exact wording).
And mjolnir alert her when she don't have other option ,she felt down,unsafe and thats why she lift mjolnir, in my opinion
That was the smoothest ad placement I have EVER seen on RUclips
are you sure the things with gold blood were gods? I thought they were just robot-soldier-guards created by the Sovereign
Also…love that Eternity said it would grant a wish to the 1st bc it ALWAYS knew that wish would be the birth of Love when the universe needed her
Gold blood is actually the blood of the gods in mythology so that checks out
yup gold blood is the blood of gods in mythology! it’s called ichor (pronounced “iker” i believe.
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Honestly still hard for me to tell to be sure, it looked like golden sand to me rather than golden blood, but the first god for killed had gold blood so maybe they were gods?
@@xero1134 when thor was in front of zeus killing his guards, you could see the gold liquid splash on his arms. so it’s definitely blood imo
@screencrush... the best explanation for the plot holes is "super easy... barely an inconvenience"
My guess is that only warriors who die in battle go to Valhalla whereas Gods just get a free pass. That is why Odin and Jane (basically a Thor) were dusted while the others had to be killed in battle to go to Valhalla.
Well said!
Well Odin created Valhalla.. so he can just go there lol he will have a say on who gets to come, he most likely sent the Valkyries to get Jane
I think one of the things that is being overlooked is how much Taika Waititi (the director) foreshadows plot elements. One of the plot devices I see people complaining about is the 'travel' system, ie Stormbreaker, Zues's Bolt and even the Pegasis (maybe even Mjolnir, MAYBE). At the beginning of the film Jane wakes up and is sitting next to a young man reading her book. This bit of movie science is to remind us all that Jane is a genius level scientist but ALSO the science she is explaining is specificially dealing with space travel and even more specifically, why the films Interstellar and Event Horizon explain punching a whole in the universe allowing for instant travel. The explination deals with light, Zeus's bolt is light, Stormbreaker is using the light of the Bifrost and I think, with how Mjolnir has been explained in comics, it may too be capable of light speed instant travel. Remember: technically speaking, Mjolnir stays still and the universe moves around IT.
No, I think universe is more like an elevator.
I was under impression that they showed us the axe had roots in the ground so it was growing....may not be a groot but alive in a way....not sure what they gave us to say it was a conduit for his emotions 🤔
Yeah it’s definitely just alive haha the conduit thing is metaphorical at best
12:46 I don't think Gorr knew where all gods were. He just went where they were supposed to be. And maybe He was not there for Thor but for Jane.
I always thought Hela could break it because she used to use it. Interesting
Exactly
yes, thats the reason. It doesnt have anything to do with Odin dying
There are a couple of repeated questions and answers through the video. I still love your work!
Actually, The doctor in the movie says that the thor force was making her cancer worse. Every time she used mjolnir the thor force power made her cancer stronger so it ate away at her body faster. This is directly adapted from the comics except in the comics Jane chooses to stop wielding mjolnir and becomes a valkyrie after she achieved cancer remission. They could also have ended the film that way. Yes I know the Hela killed all the Valkyrie except for Valkyrie (which by the way, its kind of silly that the marvel studios calls her Valkyrie when in the comics that is the name of the regiment of female Pegasus cavalry not a hero; they should give her a proper Asgardian name) but all Valkyrie and Jane would have to do is train more Asgardian women to become Valkyrie. Killing Jane off and sending her to Valhalla simply because Valkyrie is a one woman cavalry now seems like such a waste compared to the better future the comics gave Jane.
I've never been more impressed by an ad segue. You're an evil genius.
When Gorr was in the oasis and stumbling on the ground, he inadvertently cut his hand on the Necrosword, but his wound healed. What was the significance of that or reason?
I think that it’s because it had already chosen Gorr to wield it at that point and healed his hand before he claimed it, since it whispered for him in the first place
The Necrosword is the first symbiote created by a being called Knull
@@stormfox7592 not in the mcu
@@hunterterrell5735 That was my thought as well.
@@stormfox7592 What a pointless comment. Why not add something useful instead of just trying to show how smart you are. And also we've all seen screen crush video where he explains this. Si you're not smart. You're just repeating info from a video we've all watched already
Seems like a lot of people just didn’t pay attention to the movie tbh. Love your videos!
To protect Jane from what? ,I thought everytime she used it , it was draining her worse
Danger
@@master_assassin8848 immediate danger
Threats like Loki and malicif who know Thor and Jane are dating and would use her to get to him
7:55 Your St. Elsewhere reference was on point!
1:48 So Odin gets to control who goes to Valhalla. Sounds super convenient
3:30 the personality thing is probably a retcon, as mjinor didn't have a personality in prior films
4:57 Korg's race is all male. Korg mentioned it himself. Anotehr retcon
5:33 pretty sure it's his own powers. Why did he say "power of thor" and not power of thunder or lighting
6:17 Necro sword is super effective against Gods
7:45 Hope the scene is just a send off to Jane. Bringing her back will have less consequence to death in MCU making it meaningless
10:06 Probably not Gorr's daughter. She didn't even cry for Gorr when he died, either that or she was a bad actress
10:33 Valarie gave him directions
11:53 only there to sell toys. he only wore his new helmet suit for 10 secs, and sold everywhere in merch and games (fortnite)
13:48 VFX artists don't want to edit his eye. Have you heard about how VFX artists frustrated about working for Marvel lately?
15:51 Valarie gave her directions. went on pegagus
16:12 she technically didn't die on battlefield. she died of cancer effects after. is there a time delay where you "die in battle"
18:12 writers didn't think of it until they wrote this script
18:37 same answer as before. could have ask etrtri to make him stormbreaker instead of the gauntlet. he should have known about it having conquring many planets, some of which should have contained Gods
1 that is how it is In mithology
2 she was creating a storm since she was mad out of everything.
3 no not a retcon. Ragnorok is told by Thor whose second language is rock.
Love is told straight from the horses mouth Korg who’s first language is rock
4 it was a conduit.
6 she is used to death and she is mixed with singularity.
when the shadow demons started attacking New Asgard, Im surprised at least a few Asgardians didnt grab some of their armor before heading out on to the streets for the battle
The hammer was draining the chemo out of her body thus making her weak and not really fighting off the cancer at all..
Chemo is a chemical and cancer is just cells, but mutated
@@master_assassin8848 What's your point??? My point is her using the hammer was killing her because it was basically burning off all the chemo from her body like in the comics?? That's why Thor wanted her to stay back on earth to actually try and heal instead of using the hammer knowing it would be her last time using it. She chose to be a hero regardless.
@@ThePsychojoker The hammer sees the cancer as apart of the body and the chemo as attacking that part
How did Jane get phantom pains (from Thor getting beat up) in the hospital before she gets to the center of the universe when before she didnt get any when Thor would get hit?
I dont like to disagree with Ryan but: i assume the reason why Jane (Beta Ray Bill) had costume changes is because they were chosen by the hammer. Cap wasnt he was worthy but not chosen
They all need to hide their identities cap didn’t so no suit for him
My biggest plot hole: Where are the gods who reign above death?
I got some stuff to say, to start:
- Gorr the God Butcher is nowhere near like the Gorr on the Comics (even physically not alike) , and I know it doesn't have to be the same but on the comics Gorr is a BEAST, it is even more feared than Thanos by the Gods. it is truly is a menace, he even kills Thor on the comics, it takes even a Future Old Thor plus 2 more Thor's to kill Gorr but here... it doesn't even look physically close to the comics, its a Joke basically (not talking about Bale's performance ok!)
- There is a point in the movie were Jane tells Thor to go grab the Axe and she'll hold of Gorr and not to worry about it...
Really ? no big deal right ? so she solos Gorr.
- The All-Black is not a sword... this was by far the most stupid thing I feel, it does not look like a regular bronze or steel sword from Greece, I mean come on ! and that "Sword" is completely OP!!! in this movie you don't get to see that, at all !
- Putting that aside, Thor... giving kids the power to be like him, although its kind of cool to watch how he can pass down his powers through an enchantment like Odin, its dumb that he doesn't enchant the Axe to be the only one who can wield it and then the kids run off killing the monsters like nobodies business.
- The way everyone handles Zeus's bolt... like its a Pen they borrow, even Gorr grabs it like a regular stick and stabs Valkyrie with it, no biggie.
- Zeus mentions that he fears Gorr and they "beat" him like no problem and destroy an indestructible weapon, the All-Black can't be destroyed !
- The little girl, how she handles Storm breaker like its a piece of paper is just out of this world, sure you could argue that she has powers from the Eternity but still, its a heavy a*s Axe, you can see when Gorr took it, he was dragging the axe on the floor of how heavy it is.
- The comical aspect of the movie, I feel they've gone too far and missed a HUGE opportunity to make a SUPER incredible movie, they took it to a point were its dumb, really dumb, Thor seams dumb, even Zeus mentions that they look like clowns and they do, I know this might be intentional and meant to change in Thor 5 when Hercules arrives BUT putting the other facts I mention before, its not likely that this "Fun" aspect of the movie, was intentional at all.
**Everything I mention is not Hate per say, I'm a HUGE fan and that's why I'm very disappointed on this movie, its not what I expected as a fan that reads the comics and know the true potential of the characters here, there's more but I think this is enough, again, some of this stuff are FACTS and others my opinion.**
It’s that ,exactly ,your opinion !
I can somewhat understand why Tiamut is not talked about in other movies, but i can't understand why people don't talk about the giant celestial who appeared for 10 seconds and kidnapped 4 people in front of half the planet. Even in the MCU world with all the crazy stuff happening, that should be the most frightening.
I swear, most of these “plot holes” come from people who just didn’t pay attention to the movie
No, here's one people can't answer. If Thor can actually power up others with Zeus bolt then why the hell didn't he do that on the black and white planet? It would saved Val from being stabbed and they could have beat Gorr much earlier.
@@shinkounova8485 because he trusts Val and Jane while fighting Gorr in the shadow realm. He was with a bunch of kids who hadn’t fought at all. Val had the lightning bolt and Thor already had Stormbreaker.
4:12 There are obviously two enchantments on Mjolnir. One that prevents the unworthy from wielding it, and the one we see Odin put on it.
There are several proofs of that:
1- If you listen carefully, he doesn't say "whosoever is not worthy cannot wield this hammer". The enchantment we see him putting on the hammer is to give the power of Thor to whoever can wield it. That's how Thor gets his powers back, and that's how Steve got them too.
2- Thor knew about the worthiness enchantment. When someone in the bar talks about an object fallen from the sky that nobody could lift, he recognized the enchantment. And when he was unable to lift the hammer, he clearly knew why he couldn't lift it. And the enchantment we see Odin put on the hammer is cast only after Thor is already cast out of Asgard.
Hey Ryan. My biggest question is actually from Infinity War. It's something that is ALWAYS overlooked. It's supposed that half the Asgardians made it to earth however, when Thanos kills Loki and Thor is released he destroys Thor's ship completely using the power stone before he uses the space stone to teleport the squad....How in the hell did any Asgardians make it from the ship to earth it makes no sense....Thor is floating away in space before the Guardians find him and his planet is vaporized so to me there should be no Asgardians left to populate new asgard. Please let me know if you got an answer. Thanks!
If I remember correctly there were some escape pods that escaped right before it exploded
Thanos could have let half of them escape. Kill half/leave half.
@@technofire_cake1115 nope ive watched it 100 times no pods
@@snaker9873 could have? its just so obvious it expoloded
Great question….I thought same. Especially for Valkyrie and Korg. They were on original ship from Ragnorak that was destroyed in Infinity War
If you really think about it Odin and Jane did died fighting. For Jane its obvious she lost the battle to cancer. :( Now for Odin he explains he can no longer hold her back, the goddess of death therefore he also lost the battle to contain her and warns them before he goes. ;(
Why didn't they go to Eternity to wish everyone back after the snap? Or wish for the Infinity Stones to be reformed so they can use them to reverse the snap?
Because they probably didn't know that they needed STORMBREAKER TO OPEN THE DOOR to let them in
Man it’s like you didn’t even watch the video
Thor and the other gods are aware of how to
The rest of the Gods didn't care cause they don't have to, it doesn't affect them hence they're more important in things like Orgies
@@cliftonrblandin3860 Zeus and Valkarie seemed like they knew
He could have wished to have himself and his daughter lives restored so they can be happy together
That's two separate wishes and Eternity only grants one.
Asgardians were never shape-shifting aliens in the comics. That was in Earth X, an alt reality story.
You said when ODIN died the magic he placed on would no longer be in effect on thors hammer, but in infinity war Dr. Strange says "breaking a dead man's spell, troublesome" meaning just because ODIN died all his spells and curses remained intact.
Loved this movie thought it was funny not perfect and a couple complaints but still overall loved it
Then... Why didn't Thanos just get the Space stone, go to Eternity, wish half of all life to dust?
or why did they all go to eternity in endgame to undo the snap?
@@jasonlara1943 yours is a far better question.
So Gorr was the first being ever that reached Eternity? Seems like an extreme longshot, but he had to be to have had his wish granted I suppose.
If i may quote space jam “it is in the rule book”
In the movies hes the first but in the comics quite a few people have reached Eternity, but the difference is Eternity doesnt always grant wishes as its still a 'sentient being'
I was confused as to why Thor used Storm Breaker to travel back to New Asgard while they were in the Shadow Realm after knowing the bifrost is the key to getting to Eternity and after having another way to get to New Asgard (Zeus's lightning bolt that Valkyrie had).
So could Jane's cancer be caused by the ether being in her? Or was it hereditary since we saw her mother die from it too?
Because Dr. Eric Selvig went mad(for some time) after having Loki in his mind. Like it was said, "having a god in your head has consequences." or somewhere along those lines.
That Moonlight Graham killed me. We're old . Great video
- I hope you read this Ryan Arey... In the context of the film, and not just because the plot wills it so, what would be the reason why the Necro Sword showed Gorr Eternity and his whole deal? The sword has a form of sentience, especially if you go by the comic book version, so what would be the benefit for the sword to show a mortal this knowledge?
It’s probably to show whoever wielded it (Gorr in this case) the end goal to finish all the gods like it wanted to do
Bad question
You need to forget the comics, they're not going to touch the the comic book version of the sword in the MCU because of Sony. In the movie, the sword wanted all gods dead, and so it showed Gorr how to do it...and frankly, he came within a whisker of doing it which was better than the Necro Sword's old host did.
The way I understood jane going to valhalla was that she was in fact in battle, she was constantly battling the cancer. They specifically made a point to say that someone needs to die in battle to get to valhalla so I’m pretty confident that’s why they made sure she died out of battle, to show her battle wasnt with gorr, it was with cancer
Yep... they've really screwed Korg's backstory to make a statement there.
Korg in the next movie: "My mother has a new girlfriend."
Not really someone has to be the Mom idk 🤷🏿♂️
@@shinigamiryan5837 probably.
Bro he's a fictional rock alien. No one actually cares.
Hearing Ryan read my comment is such a surreal experience
This movie really disappointed me
I'm pretty sure the doctor who talked to Thor about Jane (which tbh may have been a HIPPA violation?) said that something was preventing the chemo from working. I took that to mean that mjolnir was resetting her treatment every time she used it so she never got any benefit from chemo treatments in between Mighty Thor power ups. I think that's how it worked in the comics.
I just decided as a head cannon that Odin having dedicating a majority of his life to battle that he was Valhalla worthy even when he was a young conquering god
Wonderful job, Ryan!
The book about Viking's and Asgardians also mentions that it Purges any toxins from the user (You can even see it briefly on the page that Jane is reading) but she overlooks that part. This is what happened to her in the comics. It purged the treatments from her bloodstream, thus inhibiting her ability to heal.
Fantastic job answering those questions! Impressive!
Part of your answer for Mjonir and worthiness doesn’t work with one line of dialogue in this movie where Thor picks up the hammer while it’s sitting on that barrel and he says he was just checking, which is clearly him checking his worthiness which means even though Odin is gone, this hammer still needs worthiness
Answering these questions is quite a fete. Well done!
If mjolnir could be fixed by itself ,why it didn’t fix right after breaking by Hela and why mjolnir didn’t call thor like it called Jane ?
Gosh respect to your patience with these questions 😭
I believe in the comics the explanation for Jane getting sicker as she uses the hammer was that it would remove all her chemotherapy from her body every time she transformed. Kinda makes sense since chemo is essentially poison that is meant to eradicate cancer and if the hammer is said to provide health, removing poison would make sense.
Also I think in the comics cancer is meant to be the one thing that no one ever really survives. Since the original Captain Mar-Vel died of cancer, it might be a nod to that.
The enchantment strengthens her ENTIRE BODY. At includes the cancer. So she has thor cancer when shes Mighty Thor. And since she doesnt have asgardian physiology to fight it off, it continued as though she were human, but with the added negative of removing her chemo.
Saying “Odins Death lifted the Worthiness enchantment” is a bit of a stretch.
Especially after our tour guide Darryl said the pieces are unmovable.
Expert swat down of those questions Ryan. Notice only Odin and Jane get the gold dust treatment which seems to relate back to the OdinForce.
Love the princess bride reference. I think you got one thing wrong. Gorr goes to earth because Jane Foster Thor is on Earth and has the power of a god now that she turned into Mighty Thor.
Yes, about 10 mins into the video the Cosmic force was mentioned. I saw an interview with Feige on MTV where he specifically mentioned the different parts of the future, Dr. Strange in the Spiritual World, Daredevil/Spidey in the street world - also Cosmic. In the same breath, Feige said Spidey and Cosmic as in this is a world in the MCU just like the Spiritual world... So I can 98% say the Cosmic Spidey will emerge at some point and maybe Love Gore's daughter is part of that story.
A lot of the hate I see for this movie come from people just not paying attention. I've seen a few who have actual arguments, but the vast majority that I see are people hating for no good reason
Being able to grant 1 wish in the center of the universe is a HUGE power that was wasted on something so minor. That coulda been used on something way more important.
I believe Jane also mentioned not wanting to resort to using asgardian tech to try and heal herself
Great job Ryan 👍 very helpful