Make sure to like the comment for your thoughts on this timeline, be it better or worse. Comment to explain why. Apologies for my French pronunciations. I've only been studying it for a few months. Comment any questions or ideas for future videos. If you want the songs, comment and I will reply. Reminder that the video is written from the French perspective.
Although it's Interesting to imagine Napoleon Wining the Franco-Prussian War, i find it quite unlikely though This was Probably the Most 'Realistic' Scenario. and as a Napoleonboò i 100% want a Part II NOW.
cant lie you’re the only Alt History youtuber that scratches the “itch”, fictional battles, you use real people instead of saying “russia does this because france did this.”, your maps are just plain sexy, i think you could really hit it out of the ball park if you created a small 3-part series with as much detail as you normally put it… now that… that would be something! Love your vids and keep it up, hopefully this is the year your channel really blows up! you deserve it with the quality.
With somebody other than Nappy Jr, that would have been fine. I nearly sprayed my coffee at the depiction of him as a brilliant & competent commander rather than the reckless & headstrong man he was OTL.
I love this one, my only concern/complaint is the possibility that Bismarck would double down not once, not twice but thrice. Remember this was the man who made considerable diplomatic efforts before, during and after a war against Denmark, DENMARK. Needless to say it seems this scenario hinges not just on French competence but also on Prussian incompetence. But needless to say, I’ll take a based scenario of the second battle of Waterloo and second battle of the Nile, any day.
yeah thats fair, it was an optimistic timeline for France. I try to sprinkle in things like Waterloo where nations avenge former losses in my videos so Im glad you noticed
France straight up annexing the Rhineland seems extreme, I’d say the annex Wallonia, Luxembourg and the Saarland and establish a protectorate in the Rhineland. Overall great video i can’t wait for pt 2!
Yes I think Britain would have threatened France of intervention if the didn't stop pushing and not sign a peace deal Wallonia + Luxembourg and minor territory in the rhine would be realistically the most France could get
0:26 Otto von Bismarck didn‘t want to encircle France by placing a Hohenzollern on the spanish throne. The Spanish asked the prussian prince to take the throne, so it was the other way around.
My only complaint is the notion Bismarck would have continued supporting such a flailing war, or started one against a France that had prepared as well as the one in this scenario. Otherwise, well done.
I find it funny that on other alternate history channels, there’s people that absolutely love Germany so so much and then there’s your channel where people love France so much I wonder if there’s a alternate history, channel out there where the viewers love the UK so so much lol triple rivalry that has been going on for centuries one teaming up with the other to defeat the other literally 1984
in all fairness, I think im cultivating a pro-french audience because I tend to favor France over Germany. I actually have more German viewers than French surprisingly.
I'd get the Dutch would give up Luxembourg, as they were trying to sell it to France in 1866(for which Prussia threatened war), but I'd doubt they'd agree to give up Maastricht / Limburg, it being well garrisoned and the only source of coal.
Same reason why Belgium would never give up the coal basins in Wallonia along the Sambre and Meuse. Britain would never agree to anything more than minor border corrections. Britain would also never agree to the Rhineland becoming part of France, they would demand that it became an independent buffer state.
I love this video, amazing content, I love the story and the peace treaty, this is definitely a better timeline. I would also sly that I love that you were way more specific in the war and apesifc battles, then in just going in summarizing and short. Next tiem for major battles, like decisive battles could you include specific loses.
@@mpk4712 it’s a joke, it would ruin balance of power, but this would also stop a deadly 1st and even 2nd world war. Which is a good thing about this timeline.
@@HannibalBarca137Excuse me without the world wars, all the countries colonised by Europeans would not gain independence as they were necessary to weaken Europe’s economy and military and allow the U.S to become the world’s banker. The world would still be dominated by Europe and racism, imperialism and oppression would be much more present than it is today. This is a stupid outcome for any non-European.
@@anassaahirhuq1858 I agree with you, that is a real good argument, I am just saying I like this timeline, as a joke, I realistically do not want this timeline to happen, but it is just cool and I am a Napoleon fan. I do not seriously want to live in this timeline. But I just like the story.
@@Videntis.History well I don't, as my avatar suggests I might be just slightly biased but I can't see Leopold giving away Wallonia just like that especially that he didn't have absolute power
@@saintekweena795 Nah provence is now entirelly french, same as the Jura near Switzerland or most of the southwest, the Republic did it's job of francisation of the whole country (and it's quite sad)...
A fine example of uchronia that almost came true and could have changed the history of France, Europe and the world.If two Biarrot fishermen had not saved in 1865 from drowning during a swim in the ocean the Prussian chancellor Bismarck who accompanied the imperial couple Napoleon III and Eugenie in holiday in Biarritz, Bismarck being drowned, he could not therefore have tampered with the dispatch of Ems in July 1870 which provoked France to declare war on Prussia, so that there would not have been the war of 1870, no unification of Germany around Prussia so that Germany would not exist and would have remained divided into several states, France remained dominant power on the European continent, would have retained Alsace-Moselle, so no World War I, neither the Treaty of Versailles nor the Second World War. Napoleon III would have abdicated in favor of his son Napoleon IV with a second empire strengthened by the triumphal plebiscite of May 1870 evolving towards a constitutional monarchy, so that in the absence of military defeat at Sedan in 1870, the republic would not have been proclaimed in France and probably we would be living now with a descendant ruler or family of Napoleon III.One can add that France would have expanded from Luxembourg that the king of the Netherlands wanted to sell to Napoleon III, The Grand Duchy of Luxembourg was opposed by Bismarck, generating a European crisis resolved by English mediation with the creation of a new independent state in 1867 which would not have existed. Finally, in the absence of French military defeat, France would not have been obliged to pay Prussia a colossal war indemnity of 5 million francs or so and would thus have had the budgetary means to buy back in 1875 the 50% of the shares of the Khedive of Egypt in the Suez Canal thus becoming the 100% of the company of the Suez Canal while in 1875 it was the English who bought the shares of the khedive thus entering the company of the Suez Canal to 50% on equal with France,before taking control of "Egypt in 1882. Thus, France controlling 100% of the Suez Canal and consequently the new trade route of India, threatening British trade, it is likely that the English who had already tried to sabotage the construction of the Suez Canal, would have gone to war against France in order to take control of the Suez Canal and block French colonial expansion into eastern Africa, the Franco-English War that nearly broke out in 1898 during the Fachoda incident.after the declaration of war between France and Prussia, the two Biarrot fishermen publicly regretted not letting Bismarck drown. How an excess of humanity can be harmful to the national interest and world peace!
Denmark would never join. 1864 was so devastating, so soul-crushing and traumatizing, to a point No other country has ever been to, that They swore to never go to war again, not even to regain the lands They lost. Denmark would’ve stayed neutral and hoped Maybe the French would let Schleswig hold a referendum like In 1920. Except back Then Schleswig was Majority inhabited by Danes so more land would’ve been Brought back.
Oh, there were secret talks between France and Denmark for a situation like this but France was decimated so it never occurred. That was the basis of that part
One important weakness of this scenario: the lack of independent Poland. Author says almost nothing about Poland and its aspirations after the partitions inthe end of XVIII century, after insurections...
No more WW2 in this timeline, most Europeans probably already disgusted with the destruction that occurs in this timeline. Furthermore, the French have achieved their goal and have calmed down from their nationalistic intent, leaving behind a much more stable Europe! Cool timeline!
Very Interesting ! Can't wait part 2 ! Wonder how the Bonapartist adapts the "Traité crémieux" or other important social integration in the new united "Natural Borders of France"
I have three words for this, Mr. Videntis. That. Was. Incredible! Making Napoleon III more like his great uncle, Napoleon I, really proves Napoleon III was a capable leader in his own right by modernizing the army to follow the Prussian Army tactics and placing content and moderate military leaders who understand modern ware. What he did in this alternate timeline was actually the ones who baited Bismarck to make his move, and the Prussians fell right into the French's hands. Speaking of Bismarck, this led Wihilem I, King of Prussia and not German Emperor of Germany, to go all out towards Bismarck and call him a fat idiot at 12:25, an excellent meme for a scene edit. Napoleon III offered Wihilem the First of Prussia peace terms to end the war. Still, Bismarck was the one who "urged" the King of Prussia to refuse the peace terms, which resulted in many Prussian soldiers and civilian causalities. This would leave Bismarck the despised Chancellor of Prussia, and most likely, he might be heated for it in the first place. I wonder how Bismarck would take the insult from the King of Prussia, calling him an idiot. And I did not expect other German states to side with Austria, such as Bavaria, Baden, Saxony, Hesse, which became allies to the French, which was a big surprise to me, for I was wondering why France did not have many allies in the Franco-Prussian War. Napoleon IV married Princess Beatrice of the United Kingdom, an intelligent choice because it was an excellent way for France to end the hostility and tension over centuries and bring them closer to a union. France would rather have the United Kingdom of Great Britain as an ally instead of an enemy because they could both benefit from the economic rewards and trade agreements to their desire and could give away some parts of Africa the British wanted. Again, this is an excellent video, Mr. Videntis. I am okay with seeing another video related to alternate history related to the Bonaparte Dynasty, and you are a pro at making alternate history scenarios. This is a beautiful masterpiece; I really mean it! Bravo, and I give this video 100 out of 100! And please do a part two; I really want to know what happens next, and please continue doing this remarkable content; they are terrific to watch and, at the same time, educational. Even though I'm not from France, I would say this, Viva la France and Long Live the Bonpartes! Long live the Emperor of France! I'm a huge fan of Napoleon, and this is an excellent day for me to see his nephew getting the respect he deserves.
Honestly for France to win the Franco-Prussian War you'd need major changes to take place well before the war began. France for one lost a bunch troops and political capital fighting in Mexico. You'd also need to avoid the "Liberal Empire" where Napoleon liberalized his regime. This unironically did him in as the Parliament refused to pass new legislation to improve military funding and army reforms which would have kept the army relative to the Prussian military. Napoleon prior to 1860 basically ruled as his uncle did as a "Constitutional Monarch" in the sense that his Imperial authority was strengthened and firmly outlined in a constitution making him effectively a "Constitutionally Absolute" Monarch. There was also a major issue of corruption taking place with the sale of titles that made its way into the army which was almost as bad as the late 18th-early 19th century English system of purchasing commissions (you could buy military ranks instead of getting promoted). Napoleon was also physically incapacitated because of his surgery and ill health so the best time for this sort of war would have been during the Luxembourg Crisis. Then again assuming Napoleon won in Mexico, France would have appeared prestigous and threatening so Bismarck wouldn't have risked pissing him off. Franz-Joseph also wouldn't have been pissed at Napoleon for basically getting his brother shot by a firing squad, and probably would have been more amenable to allying with Napoleon. As for your scenario it wouldn't make sense for Prussia to attack Belgium as that would probably lead to a British intervention which is what the Prussians wouldn't want. Though instead of war, Prussia would be diplomatically cornered by Russia and Britain and probably an angry Austria, being seen as instigators threatening to overturn the Balance of Power.
Although i must disagree with queen Victoria’s notion that a wedding between the English and French royal houses would lead to a lasting peace. This kind of intermingling of royal blood led to the One Hundred Years War 😛
Another great video! It needs a part 2 EDIT: Polish title would have been(if you want to add it) Co by było gdyby Francja wygrała wojnę Francusko-Pruską?
Princess Beatrice would be a great match for Napoleon IV I think though that France and Britain would equally divide Africa. With the German Empire not existing and Prussia kept out to receive any colonies, maybe Denmark, Flanders and the Netherlands could receive some of the colonies previously went to Germany in the OTL? Maybe Denmark would receive modern day Togo? Cameroon or Namibia could be going to either Flanders and/or the Netherlands while Tanzania would be equally divided between Britain and France? Maybe the Netherlands receive a small part of South-Africa where most of the Boers lived?
Because the republic is never teaching about the glorious Empires that are the times where France not only saw the greatest growth rates in any sectors (economic, industrialisation etc...) in France history but also climbing and fluctuating at the first rank in most if not all sectors in the world.
Because n e o - m a r x i s t s don't liked the based, Christian, moderatedly liberal and immensely powerful (economically, geographically and militarily) France!
What if Scotland had become an independent Kingdom after the Jacobin Rebellion was successful? Whatever way goes to make it happen, the House of Stuart breaks away from the British Crown & by the 20th century, Bavarian Crown Prince Rupprecht is king as Rupert I (As he did have a legitimate claim to the throne).
I personally feel that Libya would have been a nice token to the British after their incredibly aggressive move into Egypt, I don’t think any amount of good will lets Britain just let Egypt go
no you are misunderstanding, they didnt have any control in egypt until they bought the suez shares, so here they never bought the shares meaning france kept control their
This needs a part two, like right now, for this incredible masterpiece, Mr. Videntis. It would make sense for Napoleon IV to marry Princess Beatrice, for they were almost wedded in our current timeline, and he was respected by the British royal family, nobility, and widespread folks. I think Napoleon IV chose to have a strong tie with the United Kingdom of Great Britain and prefer focuses on the modernization of France by making the Second French Empire an industrial power with the Rhine Land as the crown jewel of the French Empire and France would make Africa into part of France by integration, encouraging French people to move him in the settlements, and establishing cities. I know you said you like the idea of the Danish HRE because it is fun, but what do you think about the idea of France and the UK form the European Union in the 1880s as a way to restore the Holy Roman Empire with the Kingdom of Denmark ruling an restore HRE? It would been interesting since the Danish Royal Family did marry into the British Royal Family because Alexandra of Denmark was the daughter of Christain IX of Denmark. But what Hanover because George V lost the throne because the Prussians invaded his kingdom from the current timeline, but this timeline with George V resonated and became Pro-French, an ally to Imperial France and relative to the Saxe-Coburg and Gotha that would soon later become the House of Windsor. For Part Two on "What if FRANCE won the Franco-Prussian War?" What if Hanover forms a union with the Bonaparte to show gratitude for restoring George V of Hanover to his throne? What if Hanover becomes a potential candidate to lead a revived Holy Roman Empire? What if this France under the Bonaparte Dynasty took part in restoring the Holy Roman Empire to restore the balance of power in Europe and seek out making new relationships with the former enemies from the Napoleonic War? France would be better under the Bonaparte Dynasty because France would have become a mega-industrial titan similar to the UK with the right potential and model itself into a constitutional monarchy similar to the United Kingdom and follow the Napoleonic Code and the ideals of the French Revolution. What do you think of that idea for part two of "What if FRANCE won the Franco-Prussian War?", Mr. Videntis? Any thoughts, comments, and opinions about this idea? And what do you think of an interesting scenario? What if Napoleon II had become the Holy Roman Emperor of a restored Holy Roman Empire with Austria to reunite Germany but more centralized? Had Napoleon II lived longer, what would a revived Holy Roman Empire or a united Germany be like under his reign as Emperor or Kaiser? What do you think, Mr. Videntis? What is your take on a Napoleonic Germany or HRE?
As you correctly pointed out the Russians and Italians would hate an even stronger France. Without a reason to stay allied, France and Britain would go against eachother again. So if we get a second part i'm pretty sure that France would lose that war. Probably being even more humiliated than they have been in 1871
Another great video, thanks! On a side note the French were Collared and Leashed by The City of London and Bank of England after Napoleon lost and they have used France like a dog in their Imperial Ambitions and placed rulers there to ensure they obey so any rise of power in France especially to this degree would force the British to stymy such goals before they blossom and if they did for whatever reason they would come into direct conflict with the British Empire.
In a strange way a divided Germany means tne balance in Europe remains inact and vital that their must be multiple german nation states in order for the balance in Europe to remain intact.
@@Videntis.History your welcome, also why does Italy have rome in the end? I thought you said that Empress Eugene sends an army to fortify the papal states?
Great video! Would love to see a fictional scenario where sweden won the great northern war, or if the swedish king didn't die in Norway and made a comback. Cheers!
I still think the UK, in classic british fashion, would somehow prevent the French advance. The prussian victory in our reality was a shock as none saw it coming, specialy French allies. But in this alternative reality, if the French came to be this dominant during the war, the British would side somehow with the prussians, or at least stop the french from gaining to much power and influence even before the establishment of the French/Austrian/Russian alliance. As required by the british tradition lol
This is a very interesting scenario, France foreseeing its dreams of getting the rhine, Austria gaining back silesia and much more. I do have a video idea that is very interesting and I don’t think anyone has done. What if the first Bulgarian empire taken Constantinople?
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im gooning to this video
Make a England video already!!!!!
Although it's Interesting to imagine Napoleon Wining the Franco-Prussian War, i find it quite unlikely though This was Probably the Most 'Realistic' Scenario. and as a Napoleonboò i 100% want a Part II NOW.
screw England theres enough videos by anglo revisionists on youtube@@alfieingrouille1528
Pronunciation was fine dude, great video.
,,The Danes captured Berlin'' I never even thinked that I hear this sentence in my life
"AND WE'VE LOST BERLIN TO THE DANES!!!"
Dude is pissed
Az a Frenchmanne I aproof ze générique frenche mousique on ze backgrounde.
cant lie you’re the only Alt History youtuber that scratches the “itch”, fictional battles, you use real people instead of saying “russia does this because france did this.”, your maps are just plain sexy, i think you could really hit it out of the ball park if you created a small 3-part series with as much detail as you normally put it… now that… that would be something! Love your vids and keep it up, hopefully this is the year your channel really blows up! you deserve it with the quality.
Thanks
With somebody other than Nappy Jr, that would have been fine. I nearly sprayed my coffee at the depiction of him as a brilliant & competent commander rather than the reckless & headstrong man he was OTL.
As your average Napoleon fan I will never say no to another Napoleon Video, HON HON HON
*me trying not to play napoleon the fifth every hoi4 game i play*
YES
I love this one, my only concern/complaint is the possibility that Bismarck would double down not once, not twice but thrice. Remember this was the man who made considerable diplomatic efforts before, during and after a war against Denmark, DENMARK. Needless to say it seems this scenario hinges not just on French competence but also on Prussian incompetence. But needless to say, I’ll take a based scenario of the second battle of Waterloo and second battle of the Nile, any day.
yeah thats fair, it was an optimistic timeline for France. I try to sprinkle in things like Waterloo where nations avenge former losses in my videos so Im glad you noticed
This needs part 2
Seconde Partie pour un second empire !
YESSS HE NEEDS TO SEE THIS
Agreed.
France straight up annexing the Rhineland seems extreme, I’d say the annex Wallonia, Luxembourg and the Saarland and establish a protectorate in the Rhineland. Overall great video i can’t wait for pt 2!
Yes I think Britain would have threatened France of intervention if the didn't stop pushing and not sign a peace deal
Wallonia + Luxembourg and minor territory in the rhine would be realistically the most France could get
If the French take Wallonia, let the Dutch take the northern part then. I mean we really don’t need it anymore.
The border look unnatural without all the Rhineland and Aix La Chapelle it obvious the Rhineland need t be annexed
The king was very Pro-French at the time. Also if Napoleon III promised the return of Hannover, he would have said yes and stayed neutral.
As a German, this is the greatest nightmare I ever witnessed
fair, what part of germany are you from
As a Bavarian, this is the most beautiful thing I ever witnessed
@@holyromanempire3445 i though huge bavaria is cool but i guess its not for everyone
Is it really the greatest nightmare you have ever seen as a German, is it really? Lol
Croyez moi c'était un cauchemar pour nous aussi quand vous nous avez envahit en 1870 et en 1940 mais bon sans rancune
0:26 Otto von Bismarck didn‘t want to encircle France by placing a Hohenzollern on the spanish throne. The Spanish asked the prussian prince to take the throne, so it was the other way around.
My only complaint is the notion Bismarck would have continued supporting such a flailing war, or started one against a France that had prepared as well as the one in this scenario. Otherwise, well done.
YES! Been requesting this a while! Thanks For this! Viva la france and Bonapartes! 🇨🇵🇨🇵🇨🇵🇨🇵🇨🇵🇨🇵😊😊😊❤❤❤❤
Hope you enjoyed it!
@@Videntis.Historyi really did! Can't wait For part 2
vive*
I hate the fact that it took me 5 minutes to realise you were already doing alt history and I was wondering how we lost if we did so well
Napoléon III is underrated
Eh, he was decent but not amazing or horrible
Underrated for intern economic et social reforms indeed, but for the military one its kinda different lol
Awesome video!
I love how detailed this is, would love to see more from this amazing alternate Europe
Thank you very much!
Napoléon III was one of the best leaders of France
And he was underrated by Bismarck… 😢
Qualité de cette vidéo est incroyable, tout ces détails... incroyable!
Can't wait for part 2
I find it funny that on other alternate history channels, there’s people that absolutely love Germany so so much and then there’s your channel where people love France so much I wonder if there’s a alternate history, channel out there where the viewers love the UK so so much lol triple rivalry that has been going on for centuries one teaming up with the other to defeat the other literally 1984
in all fairness, I think im cultivating a pro-french audience because I tend to favor France over Germany. I actually have more German viewers than French surprisingly.
@@Videntis.History “Ironic” - -Chancellor-Emperor Palpatine
@@Videntis.History lmao the irony
@@Videntis.History I can say that the few French subscribers who follow you appreciate your support and this video 🇨🇵
WHAT ABOUT AUSTRIA-HUNGARY
As a Dane i am very happy with this outcome, great video Videntis.
HE DID IT! HE DID THE IMPOSSIBLE! He made a alternate history scenario where the Dutch are better of then in real life! THANK YOU SO MUCH!
I need a part 2 to this! It's such a great comcept, and i haven't seen it covered in such detail!
Glad you liked it!
This timeline is worse!
Make a england video already!!!
As a fellow French, I absolutely do not agree ! ;p
Agreed, too much froufrouness
worth it as long as the prussians lose.
As a French i love this scénario 🇫🇷🦅
I'd get the Dutch would give up Luxembourg, as they were trying to sell it to France in 1866(for which Prussia threatened war), but I'd doubt they'd agree to give up Maastricht / Limburg, it being well garrisoned and the only source of coal.
Fair, in the original script the Prussians invaded the Dutch and then France occupied Limburg, but I cut that.
Same reason why Belgium would never give up the coal basins in Wallonia along the Sambre and Meuse. Britain would never agree to anything more than minor border corrections. Britain would also never agree to the Rhineland becoming part of France, they would demand that it became an independent buffer state.
I really love this scenario and I want to see the Part 2 very soon. :)
On peut rêver... sympa cette vidéo ! Merci
Glad you liked it
I love this video, amazing content, I love the story and the peace treaty, this is definitely a better timeline. I would also sly that I love that you were way more specific in the war and apesifc battles, then in just going in summarizing and short. Next tiem for major battles, like decisive battles could you include specific loses.
How is it a better timeline? Germans getting supressed by the french. Please explain
@@mpk4712 it’s a joke, it would ruin balance of power, but this would also stop a deadly 1st and even 2nd world war. Which is a good thing about this timeline.
@@HannibalBarca137Excuse me without the world wars, all the countries colonised by Europeans would not gain independence as they were necessary to weaken Europe’s economy and military and allow the U.S to become the world’s banker. The world would still be dominated by Europe and racism, imperialism and oppression would be much more present than it is today. This is a stupid outcome for any non-European.
@@anassaahirhuq1858 I agree with you, that is a real good argument, I am just saying I like this timeline, as a joke, I realistically do not want this timeline to happen, but it is just cool and I am a Napoleon fan. I do not seriously want to live in this timeline. But I just like the story.
I somehow can't see the Brits allow the French to just take Egypt with the canal
They didn’t have much say in Egypt until they bought the Suez shares. Here, they never bought them so I think it’s possible
@@Videntis.History well I don't, as my avatar suggests I might be just slightly biased but I can't see Leopold giving away Wallonia just like that especially that he didn't have absolute power
Giving ? he don't have a choice at all and Wallonia people Rattachisme movement would make sure of it@@lordoftheworld29
This channel is often a little biased towards the French and it’s refreshing in the RUclips alternative history world. I would love a part 2.
everyone else is obsessed with Prussia and Germany so I'm balancing it out
As a Francophile and an Austrophile this is beautiful.
need part 2
It would be interesting to see what would happen if France was Balkanized after the Franco-Prussian war.
nah, vive la France
You litterally can't do that, maybe the bretons, the basques, the catalans, but that's it
@@Videntis.Historythat's pretty cringe
@@aloislanguillaume8168 And PROVENCE ! FREE PROVENCE ! Long live Provence ! MARSEILLE CAPITALE !
@@saintekweena795 Nah provence is now entirelly french, same as the Jura near Switzerland or most of the southwest, the Republic did it's job of francisation of the whole country (and it's quite sad)...
Love this channel, banger after banger
thanks for the love homie!
Fr
The real question is - what happened to Bismarck afterwards?
A fine example of uchronia that almost came true and could have changed the history of France, Europe and the world.If two Biarrot fishermen had not saved in 1865 from drowning during a swim in the ocean the Prussian chancellor Bismarck who accompanied the imperial couple Napoleon III and Eugenie in holiday in Biarritz, Bismarck being drowned, he could not therefore have tampered with the dispatch of Ems in July 1870 which provoked France to declare war on Prussia, so that there would not have been the war of 1870, no unification of Germany around Prussia so that Germany would not exist and would have remained divided into several states, France remained dominant power on the European continent, would have retained Alsace-Moselle, so no World War I, neither the Treaty of Versailles nor the Second World War. Napoleon III would have abdicated in favor of his son Napoleon IV with a second empire strengthened by the triumphal plebiscite of May 1870 evolving towards a constitutional monarchy, so that in the absence of military defeat at Sedan in 1870, the republic would not have been proclaimed in France and probably we would be living now with a descendant ruler or family of Napoleon III.One can add that France would have expanded from Luxembourg that the king of the Netherlands wanted to sell to Napoleon III, The Grand Duchy of Luxembourg was opposed by Bismarck, generating a European crisis resolved by English mediation with the creation of a new independent state in 1867 which would not have existed. Finally, in the absence of French military defeat, France would not have been obliged to pay Prussia a colossal war indemnity of 5 million francs or so and would thus have had the budgetary means to buy back in 1875 the 50% of the shares of the Khedive of Egypt in the Suez Canal thus becoming the 100% of the company of the Suez Canal while in 1875 it was the English who bought the shares of the khedive thus entering the company of the Suez Canal to 50% on equal with France,before taking control of "Egypt in 1882. Thus, France controlling 100% of the Suez Canal and consequently the new trade route of India, threatening British trade, it is likely that the English who had already tried to sabotage the construction of the Suez Canal, would have gone to war against France in order to take control of the Suez Canal and block French colonial expansion into eastern Africa, the Franco-English War that nearly broke out in 1898 during the Fachoda incident.after the declaration of war between France and Prussia, the two Biarrot fishermen publicly regretted not letting Bismarck drown. How an excess of humanity can be harmful to the national interest and world peace!
Denmark would never join. 1864 was so devastating, so soul-crushing and traumatizing, to a point No other country has ever been to, that They swore to never go to war again, not even to regain the lands They lost. Denmark would’ve stayed neutral and hoped Maybe the French would let Schleswig hold a referendum like In 1920. Except back Then Schleswig was Majority inhabited by Danes so more land would’ve been Brought back.
Oh, there were secret talks between France and Denmark for a situation like this but France was decimated so it never occurred. That was the basis of that part
@@Videntis.History and where can i research these secret talks in case i was interested to learn?
Another amazing video!!!
Glad you enjoyed it!
One important weakness of this scenario: the lack of independent Poland. Author says almost nothing about Poland and its aspirations after the partitions inthe end of XVIII century, after insurections...
I explained Poland with the Russian invasion
Awesome video!
Thanks!
No more WW2 in this timeline, most Europeans probably already disgusted with the destruction that occurs in this timeline. Furthermore, the French have achieved their goal and have calmed down from their nationalistic intent, leaving behind a much more stable Europe!
Cool timeline!
I need part 2!! This is really entertaining to watch!
In the second part Napoleon IV should start a Crusade to recover Jerusalem and the Holy Land, as the Pope is his godfather and is a fervent Catholic.
Very Interesting ! Can't wait part 2 ! Wonder how the Bonapartist adapts the "Traité crémieux" or other important social integration in the new united "Natural Borders of France"
This timeline is better!
I have to personally disagree. The French shall not have glory again! They need to go back to their hometowns and eat their... baguettes or something.
Make a England video already!!
Agreed!!!
Boring timeline, more disgusting French influence
It ain’t bro.
Huge fan of your work! Love this scenario! Suggestion: What if Bavaria united germany?
I have three words for this, Mr. Videntis. That. Was. Incredible! Making Napoleon III more like his great uncle, Napoleon I, really proves Napoleon III was a capable leader in his own right by modernizing the army to follow the Prussian Army tactics and placing content and moderate military leaders who understand modern ware. What he did in this alternate timeline was actually the ones who baited Bismarck to make his move, and the Prussians fell right into the French's hands. Speaking of Bismarck, this led Wihilem I, King of Prussia and not German Emperor of Germany, to go all out towards Bismarck and call him a fat idiot at 12:25, an excellent meme for a scene edit.
Napoleon III offered Wihilem the First of Prussia peace terms to end the war. Still, Bismarck was the one who "urged" the King of Prussia to refuse the peace terms, which resulted in many Prussian soldiers and civilian causalities. This would leave Bismarck the despised Chancellor of Prussia, and most likely, he might be heated for it in the first place. I wonder how Bismarck would take the insult from the King of Prussia, calling him an idiot. And I did not expect other German states to side with Austria, such as Bavaria, Baden, Saxony, Hesse, which became allies to the French, which was a big surprise to me, for I was wondering why France did not have many allies in the Franco-Prussian War. Napoleon IV married Princess Beatrice of the United Kingdom, an intelligent choice because it was an excellent way for France to end the hostility and tension over centuries and bring them closer to a union. France would rather have the United Kingdom of Great Britain as an ally instead of an enemy because they could both benefit from the economic rewards and trade agreements to their desire and could give away some parts of Africa the British wanted. Again, this is an excellent video, Mr. Videntis.
I am okay with seeing another video related to alternate history related to the Bonaparte Dynasty, and you are a pro at making alternate history scenarios. This is a beautiful masterpiece; I really mean it! Bravo, and I give this video 100 out of 100! And please do a part two; I really want to know what happens next, and please continue doing this remarkable content; they are terrific to watch and, at the same time, educational.
Even though I'm not from France, I would say this, Viva la France and Long Live the Bonpartes! Long live the Emperor of France! I'm a huge fan of Napoleon, and this is an excellent day for me to see his nephew getting the respect he deserves.
a very interesting scenario, if you don't mind I have an idea for you: what if Philip II of Spain had a son with Mary I of England?
Correction: Mary the 1st
@@alfieingrouille1528 yes, sorry.
Napoleon III: finally I’m not a laughing stock
I really like the concept of Napoleon III conquering the world, lol
Honestly for France to win the Franco-Prussian War you'd need major changes to take place well before the war began. France for one lost a bunch troops and political capital fighting in Mexico. You'd also need to avoid the "Liberal Empire" where Napoleon liberalized his regime. This unironically did him in as the Parliament refused to pass new legislation to improve military funding and army reforms which would have kept the army relative to the Prussian military. Napoleon prior to 1860 basically ruled as his uncle did as a "Constitutional Monarch" in the sense that his Imperial authority was strengthened and firmly outlined in a constitution making him effectively a "Constitutionally Absolute" Monarch.
There was also a major issue of corruption taking place with the sale of titles that made its way into the army which was almost as bad as the late 18th-early 19th century English system of purchasing commissions (you could buy military ranks instead of getting promoted).
Napoleon was also physically incapacitated because of his surgery and ill health so the best time for this sort of war would have been during the Luxembourg Crisis. Then again assuming Napoleon won in Mexico, France would have appeared prestigous and threatening so Bismarck wouldn't have risked pissing him off. Franz-Joseph also wouldn't have been pissed at Napoleon for basically getting his brother shot by a firing squad, and probably would have been more amenable to allying with Napoleon.
As for your scenario it wouldn't make sense for Prussia to attack Belgium as that would probably lead to a British intervention which is what the Prussians wouldn't want. Though instead of war, Prussia would be diplomatically cornered by Russia and Britain and probably an angry Austria, being seen as instigators threatening to overturn the Balance of Power.
Yeah that’s for another timeline where everything goes right for Napoleon iii
Although i must disagree with queen Victoria’s notion that a wedding between the English and French royal houses would lead to a lasting peace.
This kind of intermingling of royal blood led to the One Hundred Years War 😛
We probably get the Second Hunrderd Year War lol! They never learn.
What if Justinian had been succeeded by Justin son of Germanus (not to be confused with Justin II son of his sister)
This is a dream.
the prussians got absolutely MUTILATED in that treaty, you killed them but my god, did you have to do it in such a brutal manner?
Another great video! It needs a part 2
EDIT: Polish title would have been(if you want to add it)
Co by było gdyby Francja wygrała wojnę Francusko-Pruską?
Agreed
Princess Beatrice would be a great match for Napoleon IV
I think though that France and Britain would equally divide Africa. With the German Empire not existing and Prussia kept out to receive any colonies, maybe Denmark, Flanders and the Netherlands could receive some of the colonies previously went to Germany in the OTL?
Maybe Denmark would receive modern day Togo? Cameroon or Namibia could be going to either Flanders and/or the Netherlands while Tanzania would be equally divided between Britain and France?
Maybe the Netherlands receive a small part of South-Africa where most of the Boers lived?
As a francophone, this is the best timeline ever
As an american i'm glad that the french helped us and the american british independence
Really need a part 2 God damn
Muchísimas gracias por la traducción al español, de verdad me sieve mucho para disfrutar de su gran contenido.
I have been waiting for this alternative history for a long time. You did amazing on it. Would love to see a part 2 let's get 8k likes
Literally good ending.
I'm from Rome and i can finally be under the Pope than being invaded by Padans.
Thanks for this video, Napoleon III is totaly forgotten, even here in France
Glad you enjoyed it!
Because the republic is never teaching about the glorious Empires that are the times where France not only saw the greatest growth rates in any sectors (economic, industrialisation etc...) in France history but also climbing and fluctuating at the first rank in most if not all sectors in the world.
Because n e o - m a r x i s t s don't liked the based, Christian, moderatedly liberal and immensely powerful (economically, geographically and militarily) France!
Great video, I hope that this video will gain 8 000 likes.
What if Scotland had become an independent Kingdom after the Jacobin Rebellion was successful? Whatever way goes to make it happen, the House of Stuart breaks away from the British Crown & by the 20th century, Bavarian Crown Prince Rupprecht is king as Rupert I (As he did have a legitimate claim to the throne).
I mean, that could be fun. See what side of WWI an independent Scotland ruled by a Bavarian King, Entente or Central Powers.
@@liladoodle I realized I meant to say Robert IV, not Rupert I.
Nice Video! Maybe a bit cursed XD
I personally feel that Libya would have been a nice token to the British after their incredibly aggressive move into Egypt, I don’t think any amount of good will lets Britain just let Egypt go
no you are misunderstanding, they didnt have any control in egypt until they bought the suez shares, so here they never bought the shares meaning france kept control their
This needs a part two, like right now, for this incredible masterpiece, Mr. Videntis. It would make sense for Napoleon IV to marry Princess Beatrice, for they were almost wedded in our current timeline, and he was respected by the British royal family, nobility, and widespread folks. I think Napoleon IV chose to have a strong tie with the United Kingdom of Great Britain and prefer focuses on the modernization of France by making the Second French Empire an industrial power with the Rhine Land as the crown jewel of the French Empire and France would make Africa into part of France by integration, encouraging French people to move him in the settlements, and establishing cities.
I know you said you like the idea of the Danish HRE because it is fun, but what do you think about the idea of France and the UK form the European Union in the 1880s as a way to restore the Holy Roman Empire with the Kingdom of Denmark ruling an restore HRE? It would been interesting since the Danish Royal Family did marry into the British Royal Family because Alexandra of Denmark was the daughter of Christain IX of Denmark. But what Hanover because George V lost the throne because the Prussians invaded his kingdom from the current timeline, but this timeline with George V resonated and became Pro-French, an ally to Imperial France and relative to the Saxe-Coburg and Gotha that would soon later become the House of Windsor.
For Part Two on "What if FRANCE won the Franco-Prussian War?" What if Hanover forms a union with the Bonaparte to show gratitude for restoring George V of Hanover to his throne? What if Hanover becomes a potential candidate to lead a revived Holy Roman Empire? What if this France under the Bonaparte Dynasty took part in restoring the Holy Roman Empire to restore the balance of power in Europe and seek out making new relationships with the former enemies from the Napoleonic War? France would be better under the Bonaparte Dynasty because France would have become a mega-industrial titan similar to the UK with the right potential and model itself into a constitutional monarchy similar to the United Kingdom and follow the Napoleonic Code and the ideals of the French Revolution. What do you think of that idea for part two of "What if FRANCE won the Franco-Prussian War?", Mr. Videntis? Any thoughts, comments, and opinions about this idea?
And what do you think of an interesting scenario? What if Napoleon II had become the Holy Roman Emperor of a restored Holy Roman Empire with Austria to reunite Germany but more centralized? Had Napoleon II lived longer, what would a revived Holy Roman Empire or a united Germany be like under his reign as Emperor or Kaiser? What do you think, Mr. Videntis? What is your take on a Napoleonic Germany or HRE?
As you correctly pointed out the Russians and Italians would hate an even stronger France. Without a reason to stay allied, France and Britain would go against eachother again. So if we get a second part i'm pretty sure that France would lose that war. Probably being even more humiliated than they have been in 1871
Another great video, thanks!
On a side note the French were Collared and Leashed by The City of London and Bank of England after Napoleon lost and they have used France like a dog in their Imperial Ambitions and placed rulers there to ensure they obey so any rise of power in France especially to this degree would force the British to stymy such goals before they blossom and if they did for whatever reason they would come into direct conflict with the British Empire.
Love this timeline but would love to see one where France joined Austria in the brothers war
Please make a part 2 for your WW1 german victory scenario
U have to make an video to show us how u make ur map animation ( it's soo good)
Unless it u don't want someone to “steal" it or something
I’m not worried about that but I don’t think it would perform well
@@Videntis.History well many people will love that
But after all It is up to you
Russia sighting “internal unrest” was legendarily stereotypical Russian
All glory to French Khanate & it's greatest Khan, Napoleonoglu I Koru Khan!
While I love a good French dub this definitely isn’t all too realistic. Great maps though.
This is arguably one of the best video of this channel and please make a part 2.
I seen this scenario a few times now but I always say I believe WW1 still happens just with different teams and ambitions
I prefer this history to what actually happened
woooooo this vid gonna be a banger!
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Incroyable la vidéo continue hâte de la suite
Chef il est anglais
I’m sorry this video totally loses the plot and devolves into a pure fantasy
I’d be happy, but I just can’t accept the Bonapart’s legitimacy with the Bourbons still around.
In a strange way a divided Germany means tne balance in Europe remains inact and vital that their must be multiple german nation states in order for the balance in Europe to remain intact.
PLZZ MAKE THE PT 2
waiting for Byzantium reformed pt 2…
yes, a part two of this would be cool :)
I have only one question: why prussia is not in the German confederation?
GUYS GET IT 8,000 LIKES PLEASE
This is my headcanon
This randomly came out of my recommendation page and i love it!! Your maps is absolutely beautiful and it earned my subscription and like.
Thanks so much, welcome to the channel. I hope you enjoy my other stuff
@@Videntis.History your welcome, also why does Italy have rome in the end? I thought you said that Empress Eugene sends an army to fortify the papal states?
Great video! Would love to see a fictional scenario where sweden won the great northern war, or if the swedish king didn't die in Norway and made a comback. Cheers!
i need second part
Well written. As someone from Wallonia this is nightmare fuel. X')
Vive la France et merci à vous pour cette magnifique vidéo!
I still think the UK, in classic british fashion, would somehow prevent the French advance. The prussian victory in our reality was a shock as none saw it coming, specialy French allies. But in this alternative reality, if the French came to be this dominant during the war, the British would side somehow with the prussians, or at least stop the french from gaining to much power and influence even before the establishment of the French/Austrian/Russian alliance. As required by the british tradition lol
This is a very interesting scenario, France foreseeing its dreams of getting the rhine, Austria gaining back silesia and much more. I do have a video idea that is very interesting and I don’t think anyone has done. What if the first Bulgarian empire taken Constantinople?
No way i litteraly just watched some videos on this a few hours ago
Wait where? I couldn’t find any on this
@@Videntis.History there are a few but they're just videos of the map of france in the alternate history without anyone explaining the timeline