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PLEASE PART 2 THIS HAS SO MANY IMPLICATIONS WHAT WOULD THE COLD WAR BE LIKE CONSIDERING THE MONARCHY WOULD TURKEY JOIN GERMANY WOULD THE SOVIETS CAUSE WAR FOR THE BOSPHORUS AND THE WHITE RUSSIANS PLEASE IM BEGGING
Greece in this scenario is like Romania. Who, in a short few years, managed to retake all of their regions and also humiliate their enemy, the Hungarians, by taking their capital. However the main difference, and the reason why this didn't happen in our timeline, is that Romania was a large anti-Soviet bulwark. And Turkey too. This is why the allies supported Turkey
@@kevinsworldK.w69You don't seem to be informed on how historically significant it was and still is for the Turks to hold off strategic geopolitical locations, just so the west doesn't have to deal with Russia having them instead.
This is basically the plot of an alternate history timeline I wrote where the Despotate of Morea survived all the way to the 1800’s and restored Byzantium by the end of WW1 instead of creating modern Greece.
@@saguntum-iberian-greekkons7014 If you wanna read it would you wanna give me one of your socials or email or something? I don’t think YT has any messaging options
what a world it would've been, and kind of ironic too. The Siege Of Constantinople 1453 cemented the fall of the Byzantine Empire and Rise of the Ottoman Empire The Siege Of Constantinople 1915-18 Cemented the fall of the Ottoman Empire and Rise of the Byzantine Empire. The Purple Phoenix's Rebirth
It almost happened to be honest, if the british didn't back down of supporting the Greeks with ammos and supplies. Britain wanted to win its wars, but always screwed up its allies, like a r3t4rd. Promising the Greeks with at least Constantinople, any Greek government would had accepted it, and the troops would had filled very enthusiast to do the Byzantine Reconquista
The British would prefer to keep the straits under international control. This way the would control all three exits of the Mediterranean sea (Gibraltar, Suez canal, Bosporus - Dardanelles). Giving control of the straits to Greece or Turkey would be a mistake.
@@saguntum-iberian-greekkons7014You fought againist Turkey with Britain, France, Armenia, Italy and you are still crying about British stopping their support?
@@saguntum-iberian-greekkons7014 Lmao you actually think Greece could take Constantinople? Half or Europe combined wasn’t even able to occupy Turkey for longer than a few weeks
1:43 this offer however was not made seriously, because the British simply wanted to pressure the Royalist government and discredit it, to strengthen the Venizelist faction domestically
The British didn't want Greece to have thr city back because they did not want to get powerful to challenge or even trade with Russia and kept their navy thru
@@eidoneverchoosen1171 That messes up for the British. The Greeks have the right to have their old city back because that is where heritage, culture, and identity come from. This makes me dislike the British, for they are entitled to have everything, even those things belonging to other people who have cultural significance to them. And some countries do not like the British.
The decision of the Greek Command to open the Smyrna front at the time was catastrophic. They should had focused all forces towards Constantinople and the Straights. Once control had been established there, they would had time to plan expansion into Anatolia better.
Steve i just finished the reading of this war 1919/1922,the alies clearifie from the begining Constantinople would be an independent state and they didn't let us take that city.The story is too long a lot of mistakes from us and the alies turned their back to us,the story is long and sad.for 1 year the Greek army was in tents 40 kms from Ankara.
@@Tyler-n5u They don't get mentioned enough in my opinion, Kurdistan is always given more attention. It's interesting to see them given the spotlight for a bit
As a Greek, this was amazing to watch! Especially considering you took Pontus in consideration, including adding their own faction in the Anatolian war, and giving them an amazing flag! Afterall, the Pontic insurgents had started their war since 1916, so since Greece took part much earlier in this timeline, they probably organized much better than OTL. I hope a part 2 comes soon. Also, since Orthodoxy plays a pivotal role in National Identity, does that mean the Orthodox Christian Albanians of the South get Hellenized?
Orthodox Christian Albanians are simply Greeks. The 1 and only reason for the creation of Albania is so that the Italians, Germans and Austrians can keep Greece out of the Adriatic. The Orthodox in Albania were always on Greece's side while the Muslim (Turkalbanians) wanted to remain in Ottoman Empire and refused the Western Powers when they tried convincing them that they are Albanians. I'm sure you know this but there's an internationally recognized ethnic Greek minority in Southern Albania living in their ancestral land called Epirus that are currently being persecuted.
If there was one thing I would improve about your videos, it would be the success of the countries in question in their wars. Obviously, they have to succeed, but I think making the conflicts feel more competitive and hard-fought would help a great deal with realism. Other than that, this was a great watch, looking forward to part 2
@@turhanaslanus31 byzantium was been an nation made by the rome in their last years of being an countryit was made so atleast part of the empire could be saved
This was awesome. If possible it would be great to get a part 2 going into the modern era with a population, religion, and world map. Thanks for the video!
They would have around 35 million inhabitants and a Nominal GDP similar to that of the Netherlands. In no case do I see him even close to Spain, much less France and the UK.
@@TurquazCannabizIn 1453 Siege of Constantinople you had around 35,000-45,000 losses while the Greeks had only 5,000 losses. 300,000 Turks vs 7,000 Greek defenders and you couldn't take the city for more than a month and you consider this a win? 👏🤫😂 Do you look Turkic with central Asian mongoloid facial characteristics??? Look your face in the mirror. You don't look original Seljuk Turkic, but you look Mediterranean. Do you know why ? Because during the Ottoman Empire, it was illegal a Muslim to convert to Christianity, but it was super common Christian to convert to Islam. Turkification and islamisation was super common, cause Christian wanted to avoid heavy taxation, persecution etc. Read real history. Btw the Greeks ruled ottomans economy as they were 60% of the merchants, doctors, architectures etc while Turks were only farmers,shoes makers,Hamam workers etc. Byzantine had an empire for more than 1,150 years and they finally collapsed cause of the multiple simultaneous war fronts with multiple opponents like francs, Pechenegs, Ottomans, Crusaders,Bulgarians, Albanians , Georgians, Slavs,Rus, Berber pirates,Catalans, Cumans,Kutrigurs, Hungarians, Venetians ,Normans. When we had war with Normans, you attacked from the rear. Turgays are nothing without their horses. We teached you how to live in houses and not in tents. Byzantines vs Turkic people Wars: 1)Byzantines vs Pecheneg Turks=Byzantine victory (massacre and extermination of the whole Pecheneg tribe) 2)Byzantines vs Avar Turks=Byzantine victory 3)Βyzantines vs Kutrigur Turks=Byzantine victory 4)Byzantines vs Cuman Turks=Byzantine victory 5)Byzantines vs Kzahar Turks=Byzantine victory 6)Byzantines vs Huns=Byzantine victory 7) Byzantines vs Bulgars=Inconclusive 8)Byzantines vs Seljuk Turks=Seljuks victory 9)Byzantines vs Ottoman Turks=Ottomans victory Wars of Byzantine Empire vs Turkic people:9 Total Score:6 Byzantines victories 2 Turkic victories 1 Inconclusive Learn history you Turg...y 🏳️🌈🇹🇷🤫 You are a turkified islamised Greek. Watch the video and cry. Turkish people having their DNA test results and all of them have mostly Greek DNA and less than 9% Turkic central Asian. Did I destroy you enough or you want more ? Go to the Hamam now to get a massage from another man and after go to watch a Turkish male belly dancing show 🤫🤫🤫🤣🤣ruclips.net/video/TStTmMCtgBk/видео.htmlsi=LaoRVwSXB-iEHugm
As a Roman Catholic Myself... I Pray that one day Istanbul will become Constantinople once again & the Orthodox Church claim back they're Spiritual Capital 💯
The way we left them to themselves and how we left the Middle East carved up killed millions of ancient Assyrian Christian’s and Armenians and middle eastern Christian’s as well as 3/4 million Greeks. Lebanon should’ve also been maintained as a strong Christian stronghold. But all we cared about or were influenced by was Zionist powers and dreams who didn’t mind sacrificing as many Christian’s and Muslims as necessary to achieve their goals. And Christians are so ignorant of this history they are rabid supporters of the very people who continued to allow millions of their kin to die. Even recently in arghano krabakh Armenians were ethnically cleanesed just months ago by Turkic Azerbaijanis with Israeli weapons as Israel wants their gas and oil. Disgusting
Rises from the ashes like the Purple Phoenix, the Byzantine Empire is back under the new dynasty of Consatino and ruled by Roman Emperor Alexander I. This is a great scenario, Mr. Videntis. Please keep up the fantastic work, and keep going with what you are doing. This is a true dream, with Greece restoring its old glory. Bravo, my friend, and this is a beautiful masterpiece. You deserve respect and recognition for putting in the effort to make this. I really mean it! The idea for part two is how Byzantines would do in WWII. Byzantium, usually now called the Empire of Rhomania, would form their own alliances called the Eastern Brothers. They could strike Yugoulsgiva, Bulgaria, and possibly the Germans and Italians in advance by defeating them at sea and taking some of their African holdings. Byzantium could do a naval invasion of Italy itself and place one of Alexander's children as the new king of Italy. It would help France defeat the Germans much earlier and help France get more of the territories it desired. Those are my ideas for part two. What do you think of that idea for part two, Mr. Vidnetis? Any thoughts, comments, and opinions about this idea? Also, we are still planning to do part two of "What if Spain and Portugal in 1498?" I still want to know what happened next, and I would see a video where a united Iberia has an Iberian Emperor; now that is worth seeing. Here are some ideas for future alternate history videos: What if Oda Nobunaga had survived his assassination attempt and became the first Shogun and Chancellor of the Realms? Through his survival, he could lead Japan to greatness by adapting to Western traditions using gunpowder, for they quickly took Korea and all of Ming China with the right proportions. Was the Imjin War more prosperous under a Nobunga Shoungate? What was Japan becoming the Greater Empire of Japan or Greater Yamanato Empire, and what did this earlier Empire of Japan do beyond China and be able to colonize Siberia and Alaska? What if the Empire of Ethiopia never fell but survived through the modern era? What if the Empire of Ethiopia united all of Africa and led an actual African Union? What if Novogord unified the Russian states instead of Muscovy? Would a Russian Empire have been under Muscovy or a Russian Republic during the Renaissance Era? What would change this course of history, and how would Russia under Nogvord differ from Muscovy? What if the Mauryan Empire never fell but remained united and stable and was able to become a superpower in South Asia? What if the Mauryans occupied some Greek states along with ancient Persia? How powerful could a mega Indian Empire be in the Ancient World? Which ideas do you like best, Mr. Videntis, and why? Again, terrific work on this extraordinary scenario, and keep up doing the outstanding job. I give this video 100 out of 100!
@@benjaminobienu5297 Greece invading things, building stuff, making things... With what workforce? With who's money? With what army? It's always easy start talking about small countries that rebuild their empires of the past or new ones but these ucronias are just sci-fi or fantasy stuff. These scenario doesn't match the economical, demographical and political chances of the times they are picked from. Like saying that Mussolini would have made a new "Roman Empire"... But it was an historical false. Even if he was able to conquer something more than what done by the Kingdom, that would have been the "Italian empire", not Roman. No one anymore can claim to have direct descendancy and bounds with Rome. Except maybe for Italians itself and the Vatican State, but even us Italians don't want to run that path. It's pointless. It's old, anachronistic, a waste of time and money. In short, such scenarios are poor and mostly made by fantasies.
rodi and the dodecannese islands were part of the kingdom of Italy until the 8th september 1943 as they were a token of the 1911-13 Italo-Turkish war over Libia. After WWII they were officially ceded to Greece for good.
I'm Greek and i find your video realy cool !!! I want to see a second part of it. It whoud be realy intresting. Make Greece expand more in anatolia and have them replace geographicaly Turkey in NATO
It goes way beyond that. The Serbian emblem, which comes from their old monarchy, is basically just the byzantine one recoloured as they were allies for alot of the medieval period.
Serbs and Greeks are joined in same religion, same cultural background (Byzantine) and same fate. Also by blood because many Slavs tribes settled in Greece and mixed with Greeks .
@@Videntis.Historyan epic senecio would be the neo-Varangian guard holding the the line in the Carpathian’s, Danube or Constantinople against the axis Horde while the Rhoman Navy Holds the Line with the Brits in the Mediterranean!
If only man, if only.... The resurrection of the Byzantine Empire during/after WW1 would've been amazing to see. Istanbul would return to its true name of Constantinople, and Constantine XI could look upon Greece with pride. 🥲
Great video ! For those interested, some monumental works regarding the Greek Byzantine Empire by three experts of Byzantine History, include; Warren Treadgold “A Concise History of Byzantium”, “A History of the Byzantine State and Society”, “Byzantium and Its Army, 284-1081”, “The Byzantine Revival, 780-842”. Gustav Schlumberger “Un empereur byzantin au dixieme siecle: Nicephore Phocas”, “Byzance et les croisades”, “Récits de Byzance et des croisades”, “ Le siege la prise et le sac de Constantinople par les Turcs en 1453”. Sir Steven Runciman “Byzantine Civilization”, “The Fall of Constantinople 1453”, “The Great Church in Captivity: A Study of the Patriarchate of Constantinople from the Eve of the Turkish Conquest to the Greek War of Independence”, “Byzantine Style and Civilization”, “The Last Byzantine Renaissance”. All epic. Truly, an academic treasure.
You tell me which one is the most absurd scenario: A) Alexander gallantly wins several battles and restores the Byzantine Empire. B) Alexander dies from sepsis, after being bitten by a monkey in his royal gardens in Athens.
How about if Vlad the Impaler captured Mehmed II during the attack at Targovishte. Besides that, the video is good because the Eastern Romans are the best Romans.
If only. I’m half Greek and a proud orthodox Christian this would be something I’d gladly fight for. Constantinople has been and always will be a Greek city for all orthodox Christians 🇬🇷☦️
I hate to break it to you but it is called istanbul nowadays and it is an turkish city. The newest name itself comes from the greek language but man these comments about the city being greek is pathetic and makes the greeks look like sore losers
@@randomguy-kn1wl Just because the Turks stole these lands from the Greeks it does not mean they belong to them and just because someone lost it does not mean he can not come back.
@@teyrncousland7152 If we go by your logic then just go 1000-2000 years further back and then you will see that the greeks colonized themselves asia minor. These lands were never to begin with greek. If you don´t believe me just search up the history of asia minor or in general anatolia. The people there got replaced several times. If the greeks want to conquer these lands back by all means they can try to go war with turkey. Couldn´t care less but at least be consistent and don´t be an hypocrit. Both countries suck nowadays but for some reason both turks and greeks think of themselves as something greater than they are. To make it worse both nationalist parties from both countries hate each other over things from the past. Rather working together to be something great again they try to work against each other. Just imagine them working together. Their economies would benefit greatly from it but hey i´m just an observer and think both countries are in an pathetic state nowadays.
@@randomguy-kn1wlnah mate it ain’t a Turkish city. I will never forgive the Turks from doing to that city what they did. Constantinople is a Greek city and always will be for me. Not saying Turks can’t live there but for among the oldest monestaries to be converted into a mosque and all signs of Christendom being destroyed or removed is a disgrace. It has been and always will be a Greek city
@@randomguy-kn1wlfair point but it’s the Turks that have been escalating. They are mad about the Greek islands right off their coast. They also have a pro-Ottoman guy in charge I’m not a fan of (considering the fact my ancestors suffered for generations under them)
This is actually really helpful for a timeline I'm writing where I have a similar situation to this (Greece joining WWI early) I hope you don't mind if I base Greece's WW1 strategy off this video (It will be posted on the alt history forum). I'm not a war expert or military strategy nerd by any means...lol. I will ofc mention you helped inspire the plan lol.
Btw small correction at 2:55 Greece occupied Thessaloniki in the *First* Balkan war. Also the Entente's suggestion to Greece in order to keep Bulgaria satisfied and neutral was basically to cede the port of Kavala and a bit of the eastern macedonian hinterland, not all of Macedonia up to including Salonika as shown on your map. Similar recommendations were made towards Serbia but were rejected.
11:11 exceptional pronunciation, I commend you for not confusing it with Romania 🇷🇴, which would, in this time, most likely retain the written name of "Roumania"
Ok great video i loved but i have 1 note...in school and i think anywere you search for it the megali idea wasnt an effort to revive the eastern roman empire...it was an effort to incorporate in greece all territories with "alitrotous" basically greeks under foreign occupation
Ironically, Greece/Rhomania/Byzantium would have shared the same borders it had with Byzantium after the end of the Latin Empire, following the 1204 Frankish conquest of Constantinople, and the restoration of Byzantium as an Orthodox Christian bastion. It even has the region of Pontus.
Nice alternate history. My guess is that the the British would have prioritized capture of Constantinople in order to open supply to Russia. That alone would keep many more Germans busy on the Eastern front.
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Amazing work! Keep it up 😊😊😊❤❤❤
PLEASE PART 2 THIS HAS SO MANY IMPLICATIONS WHAT WOULD THE COLD WAR BE LIKE CONSIDERING THE MONARCHY WOULD TURKEY JOIN GERMANY WOULD THE SOVIETS CAUSE WAR FOR THE BOSPHORUS AND THE WHITE RUSSIANS PLEASE IM BEGGING
What if BYZANTIUM colonized the Americas
Amazing video! Thank you so much!
got 2 ideas
what if appeasement never happened in World War II?
what if the cod war went violent?
Greece in this scenario is like Romania. Who, in a short few years, managed to retake all of their regions and also humiliate their enemy, the Hungarians, by taking their capital. However the main difference, and the reason why this didn't happen in our timeline, is that Romania was a large anti-Soviet bulwark. And Turkey too. This is why the allies supported Turkey
The allies were at war with Turkey though? And it was the Soviets instead who actually supported the Turks?
And thus they made several big mistakes,
@@kevinsworldK.w69You don't seem to be informed on how historically significant it was and still is for the Turks to hold off strategic geopolitical locations, just so the west doesn't have to deal with Russia having them instead.
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Romania was given these lands as they were never part of it. Consider yourself lucky that your country is the size that it is.
This is basically the plot of an alternate history timeline I wrote where the Despotate of Morea survived all the way to the 1800’s and restored Byzantium by the end of WW1 instead of creating modern Greece.
Do u have a link where I can read this? Seems really interesting
@@getthatupya208 Unfortunately it only exists in my phone’s notes lol. If you really wanted to read it I’m sure I could somehow send it to you though
@@morsecode980 just upload it to AO3 or something. It's fairly easy to do and makes it publicly available for us interested to read
@@morsecode980 do it man!
@@saguntum-iberian-greekkons7014 If you wanna read it would you wanna give me one of your socials or email or something? I don’t think YT has any messaging options
WE ARE SO BACK BYZABOOS
YYYEAAAAH
Yeahhhhhhhhhhhh
YORICHIII
Yes we are so back bøsseboos
HELL YEAH
what a world it would've been, and kind of ironic too.
The Siege Of Constantinople 1453 cemented the fall of the Byzantine Empire and Rise of the Ottoman Empire
The Siege Of Constantinople 1915-18 Cemented the fall of the Ottoman Empire and Rise of the Byzantine Empire.
The Purple Phoenix's Rebirth
It almost happened to be honest, if the british didn't back down of supporting the Greeks with ammos and supplies.
Britain wanted to win its wars, but always screwed up its allies, like a r3t4rd.
Promising the Greeks with at least Constantinople, any Greek government would had accepted it, and the troops would had filled very enthusiast to do the Byzantine Reconquista
The British would prefer to keep the straits under international control. This way the would control all three exits of the Mediterranean sea (Gibraltar, Suez canal, Bosporus - Dardanelles). Giving control of the straits to Greece or Turkey would be a mistake.
@@saguntum-iberian-greekkons7014You fought againist Turkey with Britain, France, Armenia, Italy and you are still crying about British stopping their support?
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Lmao you actually think Greece could take Constantinople? Half or Europe combined wasn’t even able to occupy Turkey for longer than a few weeks
Roman Empire *
1:43 this offer however was not made seriously, because the British simply wanted to pressure the Royalist government and discredit it, to strengthen the Venizelist faction domestically
good to know
The British didn't want Greece to have thr city back because they did not want to get powerful to challenge or even trade with Russia and kept their navy thru
@@eidoneverchoosen1171 That messes up for the British. The Greeks have the right to have their old city back because that is where heritage, culture, and identity come from. This makes me dislike the British, for they are entitled to have everything, even those things belonging to other people who have cultural significance to them. And some countries do not like the British.
The Brits suck
@@benjaminobienu5297Australian here, the British have the only country I dislike
i just realised all the music in the video is in that expanded greece mod in HOI4
i just used patriotic greek music, glad you liked the song choice
it's called Sto Voria (Στο βοριά) meaning "in the north" (the one at the beginning of the video)
@@george_hvl thanks
4:00 taking Ionia during the war would have definitely helped in consolidating it post-war
Lets be honest. The allies didnt want competition. A new Byzantium would be a big power controlling the Straits
I agree with you 💯 %
Not bigger than the Ottomans before that scenario… They didn’t want Russia to make an orthodox alliance, so they kept the Ottomans as the bulwark.
@@ruin1619the ottomans were in… well, ruin
@@CJ8pl Don’t forget how they almost took Vienna in their prime…
@@GeorgeofGondor2 don’t forget that the Romans collapsed because of 5 civil wars in 80 years, not invasions
The decision of the Greek Command to open the Smyrna front at the time was catastrophic. They should had focused all forces towards Constantinople and the Straights. Once control had been established there, they would had time to plan expansion into Anatolia better.
The turks were genociding the greeks in Anatolia, that's why there was a desperate push to conquer even the inland of Anatolia.
Steve i just finished the reading of this war 1919/1922,the alies clearifie from the begining Constantinople would be an independent state and they didn't let us take that city.The story is too long a lot of mistakes from us and the alies turned their back to us,the story is long and sad.for 1 year the Greek army was in tents 40 kms from Ankara.
AMAZING video! A return to Byzantium is always a win in my book! Idea: What if Louis II won the battle of mohacs?
probably coming in the next few weeks
@@Videntis.History YAY!
@@Videntis.Historyhey do you have an obsession with Assyria? I like it
@@Tyler-n5u They don't get mentioned enough in my opinion, Kurdistan is always given more attention. It's interesting to see them given the spotlight for a bit
Screw the saganaki crew.
Me: Mum, can we have the Megali plan?
Mum: We have the Megali plan at home.
Megali plan at home:
Its even Better
nah its more than the megali plan
@@GigaRomanThis fandom is so obsessed with Rome that why will turn every other scenario into a Rome based on.
@@vrdfrdcf Scenarios are temporary, but Rome is eternal
@@vrdfrdcf"What if Japa-
Japanese volunteers defeat everyone in Europe and recreate the Roman Empire but with the Japanese dynasty"
ts has to be one of the best alternate histroy channels out there extremely underrated
As a Greek, this was amazing to watch! Especially considering you took Pontus in consideration, including adding their own faction in the Anatolian war, and giving them an amazing flag! Afterall, the Pontic insurgents had started their war since 1916, so since Greece took part much earlier in this timeline, they probably organized much better than OTL. I hope a part 2 comes soon. Also, since Orthodoxy plays a pivotal role in National Identity, does that mean the Orthodox Christian Albanians of the South get Hellenized?
Orthodox Christian Albanians are simply Greeks. The 1 and only reason for the creation of Albania is so that the Italians, Germans and Austrians can keep Greece out of the Adriatic. The Orthodox in Albania were always on Greece's side while the Muslim (Turkalbanians) wanted to remain in Ottoman Empire and refused the Western Powers when they tried convincing them that they are Albanians. I'm sure you know this but there's an internationally recognized ethnic Greek minority in Southern Albania living in their ancestral land called Epirus that are currently being persecuted.
As an Armenian, how nice would it have been.
@@garym.5931 as a Turk, haha lol keep on dreaming boys
As a greek who my grandparents were from ionia this made me so happy
As a Turk, haha lol
Fantastic video! I've always been a fan of the Byzantine Empire, and Im glad to see a scenario where it comes back!
If there was one thing I would improve about your videos, it would be the success of the countries in question in their wars. Obviously, they have to succeed, but I think making the conflicts feel more competitive and hard-fought would help a great deal with realism. Other than that, this was a great watch, looking forward to part 2
Excellent music choice btw
glad you liked the songs
@@Videntis.Historywhat is the name of the song at minute 2:27?
@@marinusradzynski397 " μην παραχαραζετε την ιστορία " don't change history a greek song about the name of Macedonia
Italy: you will never *restore Rome!*
Greece: *restores Rome*
Italy: *spitting out cereal*
Byzantium be like
you call this rome bruh
@@turhanaslanus31 byzantium was been an nation made by the rome in their last years of being an countryit was made so atleast part of the empire could be saved
@@turhanaslanus31as roman as it gets, go ask constantine the first about it
@@turhanaslanus31seething shitalian hands typed this
Love your work! Suggestion: Franz Ferdinand died much early of an illness so Franz Joseph has much more time to train karl as his heir
Nice idea!
I hope he does this. 👍
This was awesome. If possible it would be great to get a part 2 going into the modern era with a population, religion, and world map. Thanks for the video!
😂😂😂😂
They would have around 35 million inhabitants and a Nominal GDP similar to that of the Netherlands. In no case do I see him even close to Spain, much less France and the UK.
Dude I almost cried watching this. I’m not even Greek but Grossdeutchland in 1848 and New Byzantium after ww1 are my dreams, man!
So sad for you that they will both stay dreams
Stay strong and Constantinople will be Christian again. No more brother wars
@@TurquazCannabizBIJI KURDISTAN, say thanks to the UK and French who gave you Constantinople as a present for the Mosul oils.
@@GrecoByzantine1821 remember 1453? Nobody gave it to us, we took it from you weaklings 😉
@@TurquazCannabizIn 1453 Siege of Constantinople you had around 35,000-45,000 losses while the Greeks had only 5,000 losses. 300,000 Turks vs 7,000 Greek defenders and you couldn't take the city for more than a month and you consider this a win? 👏🤫😂
Do you look Turkic with central Asian mongoloid facial characteristics??? Look your face in the mirror. You don't look original Seljuk Turkic, but you look Mediterranean. Do you know why ? Because during the Ottoman Empire, it was illegal a Muslim to convert to Christianity, but it was super common Christian to convert to Islam. Turkification and islamisation was super common, cause Christian wanted to avoid heavy taxation, persecution etc. Read real history. Btw the Greeks ruled ottomans economy as they were 60% of the merchants, doctors, architectures etc while Turks were only farmers,shoes makers,Hamam workers etc. Byzantine had an empire for more than 1,150 years and they finally collapsed cause of the multiple simultaneous war fronts with multiple opponents like francs, Pechenegs, Ottomans, Crusaders,Bulgarians, Albanians , Georgians, Slavs,Rus, Berber pirates,Catalans, Cumans,Kutrigurs, Hungarians, Venetians ,Normans. When we had war with Normans, you attacked from the rear. Turgays are nothing without their horses. We teached you how to live in houses and not in tents.
Byzantines vs Turkic people Wars:
1)Byzantines vs Pecheneg Turks=Byzantine victory (massacre and extermination of the whole Pecheneg tribe)
2)Byzantines vs Avar Turks=Byzantine victory
3)Βyzantines vs Kutrigur Turks=Byzantine victory
4)Byzantines vs Cuman Turks=Byzantine victory
5)Byzantines vs Kzahar Turks=Byzantine victory
6)Byzantines vs Huns=Byzantine victory
7) Byzantines vs Bulgars=Inconclusive
8)Byzantines vs Seljuk Turks=Seljuks victory
9)Byzantines vs Ottoman Turks=Ottomans victory
Wars of
Byzantine Empire vs Turkic people:9
Total Score:6 Byzantines victories
2 Turkic victories
1 Inconclusive
Learn history you Turg...y 🏳️🌈🇹🇷🤫
You are a turkified islamised Greek. Watch the video and cry. Turkish people having their DNA test results and all of them have mostly Greek DNA and less than 9% Turkic central Asian. Did I destroy you enough or you want more ? Go to the Hamam now to get a massage from another man and after go to watch a Turkish male belly dancing show 🤫🤫🤫🤣🤣ruclips.net/video/TStTmMCtgBk/видео.htmlsi=LaoRVwSXB-iEHugm
My soul jumped when you showed Greeks marching back in Constantinople. I definitely had something do do with the fall of Greeks in my past life.
Maybe you were a soldier of the ottoman empire in 1453
I AM BEGGING FOR PART 2!!!! GREAT VID AS ALWAYS
Wonderful video!!!❤ I am eagerly waiting for part two !!
Coming soon!
As an Armenian you’re doing God’s work.
🗿🗿🗿🗿
Good 😃
actually Enver pasha did the god’s work
@@atahan2661 Operation nemesis
Outstanding video❤🎉!! Please make a part 2 for WWII 🙏
7:25 Okay, this is the best timeline
i had to throw those in
4:30 *Proussa, after 600 years of Ottoman occupation, threw a massive celebration for its liberation (as in reality, around 1920)
That never happened. By 1920 Bursa was majority Muslim.
Lol these greek femboys actually believe this
Think twice before talking about my homelands. You have nothing to do with Bursa whilst all my family is from Bursa.
Greek lies as usual
@@TurquazCannabiz Greeks never lie 😂
*The Roman Empire 2: St. Constantine's Rome.*
Is back boys!!!
great video, been loving your work lately! big hopes for your channel.
Much appreciated!
Great video. I always loved the idea of Byzantium!
Glad you enjoyed it!
My brother in Christ you've just created the most blessed timeline of all.
Byzantium is always welcomed! You're the Best man 😊😊😊❤❤❤
As a Roman Catholic Myself... I Pray that one day Istanbul will become Constantinople once again & the Orthodox Church claim back they're Spiritual Capital 💯
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The way we left them to themselves and how we left the Middle East carved up killed millions of ancient Assyrian Christian’s and Armenians and middle eastern Christian’s as well as 3/4 million Greeks. Lebanon should’ve also been maintained as a strong Christian stronghold. But all we cared about or were influenced by was Zionist powers and dreams who didn’t mind sacrificing as many Christian’s and Muslims as necessary to achieve their goals. And Christians are so ignorant of this history they are rabid supporters of the very people who continued to allow millions of their kin to die. Even recently in arghano krabakh Armenians were ethnically cleanesed just months ago by Turkic Azerbaijanis with Israeli weapons as Israel wants their gas and oil. Disgusting
No way pinko
Amin ☦️
To plunder again by a new crusade campaign
Amazing video! Thank you so much!
Glad you liked it!
I love the animation good job on that part
Rises from the ashes like the Purple Phoenix, the Byzantine Empire is back under the new dynasty of Consatino and ruled by Roman Emperor Alexander I. This is a great scenario, Mr. Videntis. Please keep up the fantastic work, and keep going with what you are doing. This is a true dream, with Greece restoring its old glory. Bravo, my friend, and this is a beautiful masterpiece. You deserve respect and recognition for putting in the effort to make this. I really mean it! The idea for part two is how Byzantines would do in WWII. Byzantium, usually now called the Empire of Rhomania, would form their own alliances called the Eastern Brothers.
They could strike Yugoulsgiva, Bulgaria, and possibly the Germans and Italians in advance by defeating them at sea and taking some of their African holdings. Byzantium could do a naval invasion of Italy itself and place one of Alexander's children as the new king of Italy. It would help France defeat the Germans much earlier and help France get more of the territories it desired. Those are my ideas for part two. What do you think of that idea for part two, Mr. Vidnetis? Any thoughts, comments, and opinions about this idea? Also, we are still planning to do part two of "What if Spain and Portugal in 1498?" I still want to know what happened next, and I would see a video where a united Iberia has an Iberian Emperor; now that is worth seeing.
Here are some ideas for future alternate history videos:
What if Oda Nobunaga had survived his assassination attempt and became the first Shogun and Chancellor of the Realms? Through his survival, he could lead Japan to greatness by adapting to Western traditions using gunpowder, for they quickly took Korea and all of Ming China with the right proportions. Was the Imjin War more prosperous under a Nobunga Shoungate? What was Japan becoming the Greater Empire of Japan or Greater Yamanato Empire, and what did this earlier Empire of Japan do beyond China and be able to colonize Siberia and Alaska?
What if the Empire of Ethiopia never fell but survived through the modern era? What if the Empire of Ethiopia united all of Africa and led an actual African Union?
What if Novogord unified the Russian states instead of Muscovy? Would a Russian Empire have been under Muscovy or a Russian Republic during the Renaissance Era? What would change this course of history, and how would Russia under Nogvord differ from Muscovy?
What if the Mauryan Empire never fell but remained united and stable and was able to become a superpower in South Asia? What if the Mauryans occupied some Greek states along with ancient Persia? How powerful could a mega Indian Empire be in the Ancient World?
Which ideas do you like best, Mr. Videntis, and why? Again, terrific work on this extraordinary scenario, and keep up doing the outstanding job. I give this video 100 out of 100!
Which of these ideas do you like best?
Science fiction at it's finest. 🤔
@@danielefabbro822 What do you mean by that?
@@benjaminobienu5297 Greece invading things, building stuff, making things... With what workforce? With who's money? With what army?
It's always easy start talking about small countries that rebuild their empires of the past or new ones but these ucronias are just sci-fi or fantasy stuff.
These scenario doesn't match the economical, demographical and political chances of the times they are picked from.
Like saying that Mussolini would have made a new "Roman Empire"... But it was an historical false. Even if he was able to conquer something more than what done by the Kingdom, that would have been the "Italian empire", not Roman.
No one anymore can claim to have direct descendancy and bounds with Rome. Except maybe for Italians itself and the Vatican State, but even us Italians don't want to run that path. It's pointless. It's old, anachronistic, a waste of time and money.
In short, such scenarios are poor and mostly made by fantasies.
What if Germany won WW2 since you haven’t done that one yet
To basic literally the face of alt history lol
@@stargazer-elite Better than not doing it lmao
@@amlking fair
Got to include the Cyprus in your Byzantium map, a staunch Greek Orthodox island.
Videntis cooked up new masterpiece 🔥
rodi and the dodecannese islands were part of the kingdom of Italy until the 8th september 1943 as they were a token of the 1911-13 Italo-Turkish war over Libia. After WWII they were officially ceded to Greece for good.
Work is great, minor suggestion, but could you do a striped patern for occupied territory? It would make things a lot easier to understand
I'm Greek and i find your video realy cool !!! I want to see a second part of it. It whoud be realy intresting. Make Greece expand more in anatolia and have them replace geographicaly Turkey in NATO
videos coming out in a few days
Great vid hope there is a 2nd part
We'll see
The VIDEO WAS AMAZING, and the map was so great
So this is why Serbs and Greeks love each other. They fought hard together in both world wars
It goes way beyond that. The Serbian emblem, which comes from their old monarchy, is basically just the byzantine one recoloured as they were allies for alot of the medieval period.
They got wrecked so many times it’s not even funny anymore
@@TurquazCannabiz Smoking a blunt while making this comment?
Serbs and Greeks are joined in same religion, same cultural background (Byzantine) and same fate. Also by blood because many Slavs tribes settled in Greece and mixed with Greeks .
I have been looking for this althist, thank you for making one ❤🎉
Suggestion: “What if the Crusade of Varna succeeded”. Also could you do a part 2 of the catholic victory in the 30 Years War video, please
Will you do a part two? I would love to see it
A restored Varangian Guard sounds SOO EPIC with the White Russian Emigres! 🇷🇺🇬🇷 It’s so beautiful! 🥹
Didn’t even think about that
@@Videntis.Historyan epic senecio would be the neo-Varangian guard holding the the line in the Carpathian’s, Danube or Constantinople against the axis Horde while the Rhoman Navy Holds the Line with the Brits in the Mediterranean!
Varangians are Swedes not muscovites
@@speedracer1004moscow is the horde
Awesome video man! Really love the feel of them.
Appreciate it!
Byzantium being a thing at the same time as the Soviet union is cursed
no its based
now its time for part 2
If only man, if only....
The resurrection of the Byzantine Empire during/after WW1 would've been amazing to see.
Istanbul would return to its true name of Constantinople, and Constantine XI could look upon Greece with pride. 🥲
1453
Great video ! For those interested, some monumental works regarding the Greek Byzantine Empire by three experts of Byzantine History, include;
Warren Treadgold
“A Concise History of Byzantium”,
“A History of the Byzantine State and Society”,
“Byzantium and Its Army, 284-1081”,
“The Byzantine Revival, 780-842”.
Gustav Schlumberger
“Un empereur byzantin au dixieme siecle: Nicephore Phocas”,
“Byzance et les croisades”,
“Récits de Byzance et des croisades”,
“ Le siege la prise et le sac de Constantinople par les Turcs en 1453”.
Sir Steven Runciman
“Byzantine Civilization”,
“The Fall of Constantinople 1453”,
“The Great Church in Captivity: A Study of the Patriarchate of Constantinople from the Eve of the Turkish Conquest to the Greek War of Independence”,
“Byzantine Style and Civilization”,
“The Last Byzantine Renaissance”.
All epic. Truly, an academic treasure.
This is probably the best alternate history video on the restoration of the Roman Empire I've ever seen
Its enough to make a grown man cry...
Omg this scenario is so blessed, it literally makes the Great War the War to end all Wars ☦️🇬🇷🇷🇺
Cursed for us Turks of course. Glad Atatürk was there
so sad it will be a dream
You tell me which one is the most absurd scenario:
A) Alexander gallantly wins several battles and restores the Byzantine Empire.
B) Alexander dies from sepsis, after being bitten by a monkey in his royal gardens in Athens.
How about if Vlad the Impaler captured Mehmed II during the attack at Targovishte. Besides that, the video is good because the Eastern Romans are the best Romans.
He might have made hungry a great power rival of Austria.
Suggestion, what if Ottomans lost at Varna. It would be amazing
If only. I’m half Greek and a proud orthodox Christian this would be something I’d gladly fight for. Constantinople has been and always will be a Greek city for all orthodox Christians 🇬🇷☦️
I hate to break it to you but it is called istanbul nowadays and it is an turkish city. The newest name itself comes from the greek language but man these comments about the city being greek is pathetic and makes the greeks look like sore losers
@@randomguy-kn1wl Just because the Turks stole these lands from the Greeks it does not mean they belong to them and just because someone lost it does not mean he can not come back.
@@teyrncousland7152 If we go by your logic then just go 1000-2000 years further back and then you will see that the greeks colonized themselves asia minor. These lands were never to begin with greek. If you don´t believe me just search up the history of asia minor or in general anatolia. The people there got replaced several times. If the greeks want to conquer these lands back by all means they can try to go war with turkey. Couldn´t care less but at least be consistent and don´t be an hypocrit. Both countries suck nowadays but for some reason both turks and greeks think of themselves as something greater than they are. To make it worse both nationalist parties from both countries hate each other over things from the past. Rather working together to be something great again they try to work against each other. Just imagine them working together. Their economies would benefit greatly from it but hey i´m just an observer and think both countries are in an pathetic state nowadays.
@@randomguy-kn1wlnah mate it ain’t a Turkish city. I will never forgive the Turks from doing to that city what they did. Constantinople is a Greek city and always will be for me. Not saying Turks can’t live there but for among the oldest monestaries to be converted into a mosque and all signs of Christendom being destroyed or removed is a disgrace. It has been and always will be a Greek city
@@randomguy-kn1wlfair point but it’s the Turks that have been escalating. They are mad about the Greek islands right off their coast. They also have a pro-Ottoman guy in charge I’m not a fan of (considering the fact my ancestors suffered for generations under them)
As an Italian I would be happy if Byzantine empire had been reformed
where part 2?
I love how he added just a slither more land for the thumbnail
Wet Dream Scenario
I really love this video so much!
in ww2 turkey will most probably join the axis
Or they turn communist, since the soviets backed them in the greco-turkish war
This is actually really helpful for a timeline I'm writing where I have a similar situation to this (Greece joining WWI early) I hope you don't mind if I base Greece's WW1 strategy off this video (It will be posted on the alt history forum). I'm not a war expert or military strategy nerd by any means...lol. I will ofc mention you helped inspire the plan lol.
The most blessed timeline
Btw small correction at 2:55 Greece occupied Thessaloniki in the *First* Balkan war. Also the Entente's suggestion to Greece in order to keep Bulgaria satisfied and neutral was basically to cede the port of Kavala and a bit of the eastern macedonian hinterland, not all of Macedonia up to including Salonika as shown on your map. Similar recommendations were made towards Serbia but were rejected.
Megali catastrofia
Rhomania/Novum Byzantium:
Hello, I am back
Romania:bruh ur name, just make it Novum Byzantium
Never existed, it was Eastern Roman Empire
Yeah mentioned in the vid
Never existed. It was just the Roman Empire.
You deserve most credit for your maps
Its a good time line for the Greeks but as a Bulgarian this
would be a terrible nightmare.
WE WERE SO CLOSE TO GREATNESS, WE WERE THIS FUCKING CLOSE
11:11 exceptional pronunciation, I commend you for not confusing it with Romania 🇷🇴, which would, in this time, most likely retain the written name of "Roumania"
thanks, tried to get it correct
Ah yes, a new dose of my Byzantine copium.
We NEED a part two
Ah the restoration of the true Rome so beautiful I almost cried
epic GLORY TO ROME 🇮🇹🇬🇷
Good video=new subscriber
I have see few of your video and i loved evry video expecialy the austrian recent video
Love your video from italy
Thanks, I got some Italy videos in the works too
@@Videntis.History Great
Great video! What about a video on the western romans? What if the romans beat odoacer and the empire endured in the Italian peninsula
Think about having 'Empire of Rhōmania' in our globe
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Good video, can't wait to see how you handle WW2 in Part 2. The Ottomans will definitely try to take advantage. Keep up the good work 👍👍👍👍
Great video!
Glad you enjoyed it
Just want to say that the mixing on the background music has improved greatly 👍🏿
Appreciate that
4:26 the music is amazing
(You'll come as nightning)
it reached 8k when part 2?
Imagine not seeing the map or uaving any context and just hearing " The greeks retook the city of philadelphia"
Nice vid bro 👍👌
Best ending for me
You should make a video on what if France and the second Mexican empire won the second French intervention in Mexico
Ok great video i loved but i have 1 note...in school and i think anywere you search for it the megali idea wasnt an effort to revive the eastern roman empire...it was an effort to incorporate in greece all territories with "alitrotous" basically greeks under foreign occupation
Yeah I know
Part 2 would be crazy
Ironically, Greece/Rhomania/Byzantium would have shared the same borders it had with Byzantium after the end of the Latin Empire, following the 1204 Frankish conquest of Constantinople, and the restoration of Byzantium as an Orthodox Christian bastion. It even has the region of Pontus.
POV me when someone says: how often do you think about the Roman empire
Nice alternate history. My guess is that the the British would have prioritized capture of Constantinople in order to open supply to Russia. That alone would keep many more Germans busy on the Eastern front.
This reached 8k likes. Do a part 2 please. Its necessery