Why didn't Greece get Constantinople after World War One? (Short Animated Documentary)

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  • Опубликовано: 6 июн 2024
  • Greece (after Russia) really wanted to get its hands on Constantinople after World War One and the surrender of the Ottoman Empire. And given its history as a Greek city and the heart of the classical Greek world, why didn't Greece get the city? To find out watch this short and simple animated history documentary.
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Комментарии • 10 тыс.

  • @theBCEproductions
    @theBCEproductions 2 года назад +13448

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    • @Kaiyanwang82
      @Kaiyanwang82 2 года назад +1660

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    • @_chew_
      @_chew_ 2 года назад +820

      Well, that proves it.

    • @Billswiftgti
      @Billswiftgti 2 года назад +324

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    • @leadwithgreeneconomy
      @leadwithgreeneconomy 2 года назад +56

      Lol, hopefully in order to change the powers that be.

    • @sphereyahya
      @sphereyahya 2 года назад +6

      BRUH SAVAGE

  • @jespermichieldegroot
    @jespermichieldegroot 2 года назад +13850

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    • @hedgeknight3194
      @hedgeknight3194 2 года назад +174

      which?

    • @jessefrankema4836
      @jessefrankema4836 2 года назад +661

      @@hedgeknight3194 EenVandaag. I said so in a previous comment which got taken down when I provided a link to it, because apparently youtube doesn't allow links...

    • @raptorfromthe6ix833
      @raptorfromthe6ix833 2 года назад +89

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    • @theetherealwatcher2953
      @theetherealwatcher2953 2 года назад +465

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      @RafitoOoO 2 года назад +38

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  • @barsustunel9646
    @barsustunel9646 Год назад +1573

    As a Turk I can say, I love Greeks. I met lot of them, everyone is so cool. The world do not want us to be friends. Just imagine, two friend controlling egean and mediterranean sea... Nobody wants that, they want us to fight.

    • @enesilkbahar6547
      @enesilkbahar6547 Год назад +5

      bVHJSBVV aynen

    • @ayronmeyden560
      @ayronmeyden560 Год назад +6

      Höööşşşt!

    • @g.drossos79
      @g.drossos79 Год назад +79

      Πόσο δίκιο έχεις!!!!

    • @bora1130
      @bora1130 Год назад

      Probably because turks have like 60 % incestry of Greeks

    • @Paul-uv6mb
      @Paul-uv6mb Год назад +19

      Not like this bri,egean is greek,so i cant say you if you want we to be freinds i want your home, your politicals must stop to say this is mine and this i wil take it in one night,if this stop i believe 100% 2 country's will come near.

  • @barisozyilmaz4309
    @barisozyilmaz4309 Год назад +437

    I like how the video is so short simply answering the question like "because greece had no juice to do so"

    • @bruhovski7554
      @bruhovski7554 Год назад

      @@MrSerdzan yeah, but you got your ass kicked by a bunch of irregulars hmmmm

    • @NoChrReq
      @NoChrReq Год назад +3

      @@MrSerdzan modern turkish Republic is not the ottomans (the former revolted against the latter and put an end to it), no need to use "you" because it's void.

    • @etnalutt3492
      @etnalutt3492 Год назад +3

      It belongs to Albania, not Greece

    • @etnalutt3492
      @etnalutt3492 Год назад +4

      @@NoChrReq Are you saying, Iranians are not Persians?

    • @NoChrReq
      @NoChrReq Год назад

      @@etnalutt3492 i'm saying ottomans were turkish but that's not the same country, they were enemies. just like today's iran islamic republic, they are enemy of former modern iran. completely opposite directions

  • @kudzem
    @kudzem 2 года назад +6580

    Fun fact : I lived in both Greece and Turkey for a while and most people had positive things to say about each other despite politicians wanting the world to believe otherwise.

    • @imadeyoureadthis1
      @imadeyoureadthis1 2 года назад +801

      We both just want to get drunk, eat and have parties. There is no reason to hate each other.

    • @kasadam85
      @kasadam85 2 года назад +336

      @@imadeyoureadthis1 Speak for yourself, we do all those without getting drunk to keep it halal and sinless.
      Edit: so many people didn't get the "keep it halal meme", sad lives.

    • @imadeyoureadthis1
      @imadeyoureadthis1 2 года назад +105

      @@kasadam85 if you don't want to drink, don't drink Mitch "Muscle Man" Sorenstein.

    • @ercangundogan2141
      @ercangundogan2141 2 года назад +39

      @@kasadam85 hastır lan kim içmiyor. 20 sene akp ile geçti diye içki içmiyor mu olduk. Paşalar gibi içiyoruz keyfimize bakıyoruz.

    • @oguzkaan2153
      @oguzkaan2153 2 года назад +18

      @@kasadam85 speak for your self turkey is not a country forces your shitty religions rules we do what ever we want, you do you

  • @phosphorusdaemon7
    @phosphorusdaemon7 2 года назад +5299

    As a Greek I feel the need to say: "As a Greek" every time I start writing a sentence about something on the internet.

    • @bugragundogan7918
      @bugragundogan7918 2 года назад +657

      As a Turk, I sincerely understand this habit of yours.

    • @mehmetkaraata3432
      @mehmetkaraata3432 2 года назад +173

      yeah because greeks have very interesting ideas

    • @caralhoguy
      @caralhoguy 2 года назад +23

      @@mehmetkaraata3432 haha

    • @caralhoguy
      @caralhoguy 2 года назад +6

      @Return of the Paddy sup Irish

    • @TheAtomoh
      @TheAtomoh 2 года назад +148

      As an Italian, same thing.
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      CONSTANTINOPLE AND ANATOLIA ARE GREEEEEEEEEEEK

  • @UlasMT
    @UlasMT 11 месяцев назад +531

    As a Turk, I visited Athens last summer and I LOVED it! The culture, the people, the food, the climate; we have so many similarities. I honestly have nothing but love for y'all and wish for all this (political) hate to stop. We both have enough land to live on. Let's just co-exist. Yamaaaaasss.

    • @kapoioskapoiou8631
      @kapoioskapoiou8631 11 месяцев назад +5

      Yamas!!

    • @flamingrubys11
      @flamingrubys11 11 месяцев назад +37

      turkey lives on whats basically roman built lsnds yall just sat on it for a few hundred years and did nothing with it i say greece should have it

    • @---1001---
      @---1001--- 11 месяцев назад +43

      ​@@flamingrubys11 what do you mean they did nothing with it? what they were supposed to do with it, its just a city. plus at one point ottomans were as strong if not stronger than byzantine empire.

    • @flamingrubys11
      @flamingrubys11 11 месяцев назад

      @@---1001--- the ottomans were never strong they just sat there more or less threstening countries much weaker than them any war with a major power they usually lost and lost another chunk of land the ottomans were more or less bound to die, that and its karmic retribution for the genocide of constanople

    • @nourvanwest070
      @nourvanwest070 11 месяцев назад +23

      @@flamingrubys11keep dreaming

  • @patrickf2671
    @patrickf2671 Год назад +114

    The Portugese fought with the Allies in WW1 but the map at 0min 52sec has them as neutrals. That said I absolutely love your very entertaining and informative videos....

    • @sonicmeerkat
      @sonicmeerkat 5 месяцев назад +2

      that is a point, i'd love to see some coverage of portugal in WW1, the fact they got nothing out of it would probably explain them falling to dictatorship in the interwar period.

    • @cole_cain
      @cole_cain 2 месяца назад +2

      seriously, they did? wow I never knew that

    • @miguel151420
      @miguel151420 29 дней назад +1

      ​@@sonicmeerkatThey did though. They had the right to keep their colonies

    • @sonicmeerkat
      @sonicmeerkat 29 дней назад +2

      @@miguel151420 I mean keeping what you already own isn't exactly a victory in an offensive war

    • @miguel151420
      @miguel151420 28 дней назад

      @@sonicmeerkat It would seem like it, but after such a big and global war, any winner would feel entitled to do as they want. So, with that fear in mind, Portugal went in to have a claim when, after victory, to maintain their colonies, which they did. In that sense, it was a victory. It's funny, the entente member they were most afraid of - of the winners side - was their own ally, the UK. The UK had made an ultimatum to Portugal in 1890 about the land in between Angola and Moçambique, which Portugal wanted to connect both colonies, but Britain had other plans. So they told Portugal, their oldest ally, to withdraw their plans, or else war. That brought shame to Portugal and the kingdom in international eyes, and the portuguese were humiliated. Those types of behaviours made them go to war, more than having Germany colonies right beside.

  • @kevinread7402
    @kevinread7402 2 года назад +946

    International zone, which meant “British in all but name”. If that isn’t 1850-1939 British foreign policy in a nutshell.

    • @zeljkomiloradovic1574
      @zeljkomiloradovic1574 Год назад +56

      Same as USA novadays.

    • @user-wq9mw2xz3j
      @user-wq9mw2xz3j Год назад +6

      he who controls the sea

    • @user-wq9mw2xz3j
      @user-wq9mw2xz3j Год назад +17

      @@zeljkomiloradovic1574 well, rather 10-30 years ago. it's getting harder and harder for the US. Especially closer to China. But yes US still had most control by a lot

    • @user-wq9mw2xz3j
      @user-wq9mw2xz3j Год назад +1

      @@zeljkomiloradovic1574 well, rather 10-30 years ago. it's getting harder and harder for the US. Especially closer to China. But yes US still had most control by a lot

    • @bigbo1764
      @bigbo1764 Год назад +2

      Still is today in Cyprus

  • @HeWhoHungers
    @HeWhoHungers 2 года назад +2334

    This is really putting the NOPE into Constantinople.
    Ottomans join the war. Russians: "Nice we'll finally get our hands on Constantinople"
    Communist Revolutionaries: "Haha nope"
    Greeks: "Nice we'll finally be able to restore the greatness of Byzantium"
    British: "Haha nope"
    British: "Nice we'll occupy Constantinople under the guise of an international zone"
    Atatürk: "Haha nope"

    • @juanjoniebles452
      @juanjoniebles452 2 года назад +10

      To be honest the Russians didn't really need a Communist revolution to fail in gaining Constantinople.

    • @jora5483
      @jora5483 2 года назад +2

      ataturk was british puppet. Dont make hero out of it

    • @isminivermekistemeyenseyir3286
      @isminivermekistemeyenseyir3286 2 года назад +25

      @@jora5483 yeah sure. keep deceiving yourseIf.

    • @ardasahan6817
      @ardasahan6817 2 года назад +24

      @@jora5483 yeah sure i am actually queen victoria

    • @costenics_sw
      @costenics_sw 2 года назад +5

      Kemal was a monster and he is burned in hell , he is where he deserves and I am happy for him.🙂🔥🇹🇷

  • @tastingyoursmile2416
    @tastingyoursmile2416 Год назад +102

    it is what it is we can't change the past but we can pave the future together 🇹🇷❤️🇬🇷

    • @iCanSeeYou999
      @iCanSeeYou999 11 месяцев назад +5

      Best comment

    • @user-gh6ly4pr8l
      @user-gh6ly4pr8l 11 месяцев назад +7

      Yes past cannot be changed but since you learn from the past you have to take the necessary actions. For Greece these actions are extreme military protection and common military agreements with the Big Forces

    • @giannisgiannis870
      @giannisgiannis870 10 месяцев назад +2

      Yes bro

    • @Rabidracc000ns
      @Rabidracc000ns 5 месяцев назад

      Past was the past when u owned Constantinople
      So don’t say the past is the past
      They changed the past when they took Constantinople u can too

  • @mardel1607
    @mardel1607 Год назад +2

    Great videos!

  • @raceris7309
    @raceris7309 2 года назад +6307

    On the topic of Greece, I would really like to know how the first modern Olympic games of 1896 in Greece were organized and how this idea came to be

    • @volodyadykun6490
      @volodyadykun6490 2 года назад +128

      That is a great idea

    • @crazycocainemercenary7498
      @crazycocainemercenary7498 2 года назад +82

      As a Greek I must say that actually is a funny story 😂

    • @milandimovski5279
      @milandimovski5279 2 года назад +30

      You should ask the germans for that one,they established "modern" Greece

    • @NIDELLANEUM
      @NIDELLANEUM 2 года назад +18

      A similar topic would be if there were orher attempts. Like, for over a thousand years, nobody had tried before 1896?

    • @crazycocainemercenary7498
      @crazycocainemercenary7498 2 года назад +83

      @@milandimovski5279 no Germans didn't establish modern Greece, Greece liberate and establish her self allow in fact Germany is enemy of Greece

  • @NK-dj7no
    @NK-dj7no 2 года назад +3847

    so nice to see Greeks and Turks discussing in a polite manner and having respect towards each others. This comment section made me very happy. I send my love to our Turkish neighbours

    • @kingkong2415
      @kingkong2415 2 года назад +263

      Thank you, malaka ❤

    • @kimberbauer1064
      @kimberbauer1064 2 года назад +94

      Raising rakı/ouzo to you, cheers neighbour!

    • @nuraoktem5464
      @nuraoktem5464 2 года назад +103

      Love to see such a comment. Hope you would have a woderfull day. As a Turkish I love all our Greek neighbours!

    • @jexxso
      @jexxso 2 года назад +41

      Kalimera bro

    • @NapolyonKiKo
      @NapolyonKiKo 2 года назад +83

      Yes.
      Now, about Cyprus...

  • @halfprometheus
    @halfprometheus Год назад +11

    The people of Greece are very kind in actuality, our politicians might have manipulated the people to believe otherwise but we were neighbors and we will always be!

    • @STRONGAmerica-qd5en
      @STRONGAmerica-qd5en День назад

      A ROMAN FART CAN NOT BE kind
      REGULAR PEOPLE WORLDWIDE ARE KIND ,
      SURE WE MUST LOVE REGULAR GREEK & TURKS WITH THEIR EXCELLENT FOODS,BREAKFASTS !!!!!

  • @florenceoztas6186
    @florenceoztas6186 Год назад +27

    The Greek King was actually Danish .
    It is his wife who was German (Kaiser’s sister) .

  • @itschris3930
    @itschris3930 2 года назад +2146

    As a Greek i dont hate the Turkish people no matter what people think. The reason why many people think that Greeks and Turkish hate each other is because of the political situation of the countries. This is dumb. Love you neighbours from Greece!!

    • @kaanbeldag6060
      @kaanbeldag6060 Год назад +217

      Love you from Turkey dude.

    • @fatihmehmed2806
      @fatihmehmed2806 Год назад +26

      Nice

    • @ufuks9430
      @ufuks9430 Год назад +71

      I have had very good friendships with all the Greeks I have met so far. The real problem is the fucking states. Anyone who is smart knows this. And ı m turk ;)

    • @emreyilmaz4354
      @emreyilmaz4354 Год назад +15

      same here man

    • @itskd4355
      @itskd4355 Год назад +24

      as I am a turkish love you bro

  • @I_Hate_YouTube.
    @I_Hate_YouTube. 2 года назад +2790

    The history teacher we all need

    • @savagedarksider5934
      @savagedarksider5934 2 года назад +30

      But not the one we deserve.

    • @GangstaRapper007
      @GangstaRapper007 2 года назад +24

      Imagine having him as history tacher and James Bissonette a principal

    • @I_Hate_YouTube.
      @I_Hate_YouTube. 2 года назад +14

      @@GangstaRapper007 and kelly moneymaker as the vice principal

    • @jamesbissonette8002
      @jamesbissonette8002 2 года назад +15

      @@GangstaRapper007 that would be a strange school

    • @GangstaRapper007
      @GangstaRapper007 2 года назад +6

      @@jamesbissonette8002 maybe, but with 100% attendance in every class probably

  • @stefankarlberg2433
    @stefankarlberg2433 3 месяца назад +4

    thank you for a short AND engaging AND informative video im subbing immediately

  • @Kmonk016
    @Kmonk016 Год назад +57

    Love Greece from Istanbul ❤

    • @boufidisstavros6498
      @boufidisstavros6498 Год назад +3

      👍👍👍from greece

    • @GreekOrthodox7
      @GreekOrthodox7 Год назад +22

      CONSTANTINOPLE*
      ☝🏼☦️🇬🇷

    • @behicmd
      @behicmd Год назад +39

      @@GreekOrthodox7yarramı konstantinople. 82 selanik 🇹🇷

    • @Kmonk016
      @Kmonk016 Год назад +18

      @@GreekOrthodox7 I’m sorry but officially it’s Istanbul. On earth there is no any place as constantinople now.

    • @silencemeviolateme6076
      @silencemeviolateme6076 Год назад +1

      @@Kmonk016 much like Palestine

  • @ExySmexy
    @ExySmexy 2 года назад +2562

    Can I just say how much I love this channel? Seriously why dont other channels feel like covering these types of questions

    • @kasadam85
      @kasadam85 2 года назад +38

      Probably because these kind if questions don't have answers that will produce long enough videos where the content creator can be satisfied with the income. Patreon makes it up for that however so there's no excuse.

    • @ronanwaring3408
      @ronanwaring3408 2 года назад +4

      Plus most of the answers always leads to one nation anyway

    • @Stand_By_For_Mind_Control
      @Stand_By_For_Mind_Control 2 года назад +9

      'Questions you'd feel dumb for asking in a college history course but totally want to know the answer to'

    • @whyparkjiminnotridejimin
      @whyparkjiminnotridejimin 2 года назад

      Agree

    • @okdo5144
      @okdo5144 2 года назад

      Propably because you cant make a good lets play out of it

  • @WilliamTehConqueror
    @WilliamTehConqueror 2 года назад +4189

    Having Gibraltar, the Suez, and Constantinople as the British sounds like a Hoi4 achievement
    Edit: lots of Turkiye bois lol.

    • @jamesburdian56
      @jamesburdian56 2 года назад +372

      Mediterranean soup

    • @Xristos888
      @Xristos888 2 года назад +264

      @@jamesburdian56 Tea*

    • @glocksmith226
      @glocksmith226 2 года назад +53

      That just makes them tooo powerful.

    • @Xristos888
      @Xristos888 2 года назад +22

      @@glocksmith226 true they would be to op

    • @glocksmith226
      @glocksmith226 2 года назад +56

      @@Xristos888 yeah I mean at least they would have given it to the French. But france can't have nice things, there has to be limit this is the reason why British empire collapsed dreaming too much having an empire hard to control, which will be questioned in coming centuries how the hell did they do it all.

  • @LIFESTDNT
    @LIFESTDNT 11 месяцев назад +52

    “Years and times will pass, but it will be ours again” -old popular Greek proverb.

    • @huseyinsadkbolat6002
      @huseyinsadkbolat6002 10 месяцев назад +30

      A prayer that will not happen is not called amen --Turkish Proverb

    • @Ntopios
      @Ntopios 9 месяцев назад +11

      Never make assumptions (or start celebrating) before the end. --old Greek proverb.

    • @54356776
      @54356776 9 месяцев назад +14

      ​@@huseyinsadkbolat6002
      If you have oil ,we'll come for it all. - American proverb.

    • @intelchip_x86
      @intelchip_x86 9 месяцев назад +5

      peepee poopoo -- proverb

    • @huseyinsadkbolat6002
      @huseyinsadkbolat6002 9 месяцев назад +3

      @@54356776 @54356776 There is very little oil in Turkey and you are not as strong as Usa
      just İstanbul is better than Greece

  • @aiurea1
    @aiurea1 11 месяцев назад

    Can i use your video without the sound?

  • @matheuspinho4987
    @matheuspinho4987 2 года назад +789

    *Allies:* give land
    *Turks:* no
    *Allies:* but you lost the war
    *Turks:* and?

    • @Yanate1991
      @Yanate1991 2 года назад +368

      average chad balkanite vs virgin western power

    • @glassman1130
      @glassman1130 2 года назад +10

      Ok and

    • @turplexx233
      @turplexx233 2 года назад +114

      @Dreams independence or death! Our grand grandfathers gave all their things to GNA(Grand National Assembly), they even gave their bodies. Because we were all know that if we dont fight, they will kill all of us. We saw this in Trabzon, if Topal Osman didnt save the city, Greeks in Northeastern Black Sea would genocide us. Same for Aegan Coasts. Hasan Tahsin (actually it was his father name because he was an agent during Sultan Abdulhamit II's times, in *Yıldız Teşkilatı*. He shoted the Greek commander and started the independence war in Aegan.

    • @SiPakRubah
      @SiPakRubah 2 года назад +72

      I mean, the war that happened in Gallipoli at least during WW1 really shows how powerful they're

    • @petr79
      @petr79 2 года назад +8

      @@turplexx233 Nah, you would have been probably renaimed to Osmanopoulos.

  • @Sir_Duke_Turtle
    @Sir_Duke_Turtle Год назад +2656

    "They'll go back as fast as they came in" - Gazi Mustafa Kemal Paşa

    • @baykurd7695
      @baykurd7695 Год назад +83

      geldikleri gibi giderler

    • @dogan.t
      @dogan.t Год назад +160

      Kadir mısıroviç bunu beğenmedi. Konstantinin kucağında hop hop hopluyordur şimdi rahmetsiz..

    • @dorukkiratli1624
      @dorukkiratli1624 Год назад

      Naah it wasn't Mustafa Kemal. Angels helped in that war I know you potato heads won't believe it because most of you guys are asleep. Otherwise you could all be Muslims but truth is truth. ALLAH sent his armies. It's even written in Australian's dairies. They couldn't shoot those ones wearing white hahaha those were angels

    • @gizemlioyuncu8263
      @gizemlioyuncu8263 Год назад +9

      @@dogan.t KLFNWADNAWD ahh

    • @tastingyoursmile2416
      @tastingyoursmile2416 Год назад +35

      Yunanların yanıt vermediği tek yorum :D

  • @redtrychguy8676
    @redtrychguy8676 Год назад +8

    1:33 The "Megali Idea" you mean.
    It literally means "The Big Idea"
    Saying just "megali plan" would sound like "big plan"

  • @volkanvolkan3664
    @volkanvolkan3664 Месяц назад +2

    Excuse me ? Italian , French. English and their colony soldiers did come to Turkiye but lost the war, they did not leave peacefully .

  • @genbab6989
    @genbab6989 2 года назад +739

    The funny thing about the British threat of war over the strait was how when they gave their military the order to give Turkey the ultimatium their own general refused and decided to negotiate. Because outside of the PM and like 2 or 3 other Liberals, no one wanted or supported the war. It actually ended up destroying the Liberal coalition because of how much it pissed off the Tories and Canada also objected to it as well despite being a colony

    • @larryhall2805
      @larryhall2805 2 года назад +158

      That's interesting and insightful. From another angle Turkey was probably a better steward of the straits in the long run. Under their control this stategic area was kept out of Russian/Soviet hands. Ie. Turkey has been a much more reliable ally.
      Please excuse any typos misspellings.

    • @kasadam85
      @kasadam85 2 года назад +13

      @@larryhall2805 no worries, you fine

    • @DeltaDarbyLiberator
      @DeltaDarbyLiberator 2 года назад +40

      …Canada also objected as well despite it being a *dominion*
      FTFY, as Canada had already been made a dominion by 1867.

    • @giansideros
      @giansideros 2 года назад +28

      @Larry Hall the Soviets supported the Young Turks, and Kemal had friendly relations with Lenin. It wasn't only until Stalin, that the Soviets had deteriorated relations with Turkey over Kars and Armenia.

    • @larryhall2805
      @larryhall2805 2 года назад +40

      @@giansideros Yes, you're correct. It's just that, 1) the Turks were never warm to hard communism and 2) the Turks are historical enemies of Russia.
      In contrast, as much as I admire Greek history and culture, the Greeks very nearly went communist after WWII. Loyal allies in Korea, loose allies after the fall of the Soviet Union.
      I'm interested in your take.

  • @EthioMod
    @EthioMod 2 года назад +988

    I wonder what Boogerly Woogely's thoughts are about this whole situation.

    • @BoogilyWoogily
      @BoogilyWoogily 2 года назад +144

      Which situation?

    • @imonbanerjee2997
      @imonbanerjee2997 2 года назад +40

      @@BoogilyWoogily holy shi* it's the man in..... Viscous boogilywoogily jelly?

    • @euivets2892
      @euivets2892 2 года назад +11

      @@BoogilyWoogily The Russo-Ukranian war that started today

    • @euivets2892
      @euivets2892 2 года назад +15

      @Don’t read my profile picture Don't worry, I won't.

    • @jeremias-serus
      @jeremias-serus 2 года назад +6

      @@euivets2892 Thank God for it, too. Russia will soon retake Constantinople and restore Christianity.

  • @Hand-in-Shot_Productions
    @Hand-in-Shot_Productions 7 месяцев назад +1

    I watched this again, and I found this quite informative! I also found the "background" wordplay at 0:25 quite funny!
    Thanks for making this!

  • @user-yw9js3rz2j
    @user-yw9js3rz2j 2 года назад +1585

    As a greek fan i greatly appreciate you covering a subject not just on greek history, but MODERN greek history. A subject not widely talked about. Thanks!!!

    • @jaidengabriel1675
      @jaidengabriel1675 2 года назад +103

      @@fusionreactor7179 Balkan person spotted

    • @user-yw9js3rz2j
      @user-yw9js3rz2j 2 года назад +91

      @@fusionreactor7179 Oh come on it's not THAT bad. Our beaches are pretty nice plus the people are just wonderful.

    • @kmmmsyr9883
      @kmmmsyr9883 2 года назад +69

      @@user-yw9js3rz2j Plus, it's a country you can easily find Turkish food, a plus in my book

    • @objectdefiance4027
      @objectdefiance4027 2 года назад +18

      @@kmmmsyr9883 Yeah. I've not eaten much Turkish food other than kebabs but their pretty good. Also I really like the Fez!

    • @user-yw9js3rz2j
      @user-yw9js3rz2j 2 года назад +45

      @@kmmmsyr9883 I know right? It's great how available are cuisines not only from countries that greek food was inspired by and inspired, but from all over the world.

  • @Saiko0001
    @Saiko0001 2 года назад +119

    "Resign and let your successor deal with it"
    Ah yes, I'll tell my kids to get me a Master's

    • @this_is_patrick
      @this_is_patrick 2 года назад +8

      Steal their thesis when it's time for them to get their degree. Ez.

    • @MidlifeCrisisJoe
      @MidlifeCrisisJoe 2 года назад

      I mean, it's a policy that does work on farms. It's why farmers have so many kids: loyal future labor!

  • @pointyheadYT
    @pointyheadYT Год назад +40

    I think what most people don't understand is that Istanbul didn't use to be as big of a city back then, as it is today. While today it has a population of 15mil+, during WW1 it had a little less than 1mil. Just like Athens for example (who's population today is 4x smaller than Istanbuls btw). Population in general didn't use to be overly centralized in 1918. So territorial disputes were more common.

    • @aliardaerd
      @aliardaerd Год назад +1

      It's more like 20 mil today.

    • @Menthur
      @Menthur Год назад

      what youre babbling about? istanbul's population is bigger than all of greek. who gives af about athen lol

    • @Robin-sf3gk
      @Robin-sf3gk Год назад +7

      well, the whole population on the world was drastically less than today. Constantinople still was 7th biggest European city.

    • @StarJes1
      @StarJes1 8 месяцев назад

      ​@@Robin-sf3gkalso in 1453 when the city was greeks, it was very small if u compare it to todays instanbul, turkish people built everything, so for greeks to simply take control over of such a huge city of a massive empire that lasted 6 centuries is ridicilous

    • @kingdoge3016
      @kingdoge3016 5 месяцев назад +3

      ​@StarSnipeJessie Actually the rapid expansion of the city as we know it today started after the end of ww2, up until then it was contained to the old byzantine borders more or less

  • @battlebaum3440
    @battlebaum3440 2 месяца назад +2

    at 1:25 which city is south of Berlin and east of Paris? is it Prague? or maybe Salzburg...

  • @NoName-yo7ux
    @NoName-yo7ux 2 года назад +767

    Your educational videos are of immense value to everyone. Hope you keep continuing the goodwork .

    • @Psychol-Snooper
      @Psychol-Snooper 2 года назад

      Hyperbole!

    • @tammybrace6370
      @tammybrace6370 2 года назад +1

      They miss spelled the title its instanbul

    • @DigiDoesStuff
      @DigiDoesStuff 2 года назад +1

      @@tammybrace6370 No they didn't. During the time period this video talks about, the city was still named Constantinople. It wasn't till 1923 that the name officially changed to Istanbul

    • @tammybrace6370
      @tammybrace6370 2 года назад

      @@DigiDoesStuff it was a joke low since turks and greeks get ma dover the name

  • @eternalfailure4081
    @eternalfailure4081 2 года назад +838

    The part of this that always interested me was "what if a defeated country refuses (or breaks) the peace treaty?". It is common (in the UK) to think of WWI as Britain V Germany in France, about Belgium and ended with the Versailles treaty. Of course, not the case, and each losing side had it's own treaty. But what if they had refused? Would that mean the war would conti ue or restart? How could a defeated nation refuse anyway, what power would they have left?

    • @ilikan99
      @ilikan99 2 года назад +545

      You see the trick we use in Turkey is to make a new government and deny any involvement with the one who lost the war, that way we never lose

    • @DISTurbedwaffle918
      @DISTurbedwaffle918 2 года назад +165

      I suppose if they refuse, the victor has the justification to simply forcibly annex the loser or replace the existing government with a more amicable one. The loser has no power left, so they can't really stop it.

    • @cagdas135
      @cagdas135 2 года назад +207

      If you are talking about WW1 cease-fire treaties just check their conditions. They were ridiculously harsh, included almost complete disarmaments and aimed to make future occupations easier. The only reason Turks had the means to fight against new occupations was because officers refused to comply. If people like Fevzi Çakmak and Kazım Karabekir disarmed, we would have a different picture.

    • @michaelbayer5094
      @michaelbayer5094 2 года назад +141

      The problem with WWI is that the defeated powers were not completely defeated. There was no decisive battle and no occupation until after the Armistice On 11/11/18 the frontiers of Germany and Turkey had not been breached (most of Austria-Hungary too).

    • @RealCadde
      @RealCadde 2 года назад +22

      @@DISTurbedwaffle918 Except annexing is frowned upon, even if the defeated side refuses to make a peace deal.
      Otherwise, most of Europe would have since long belonged to a single monarch. It's all those that opposed each other that we still have so many different nations in Europe and no single mega superpower.
      The looser cannot stop it but others will eventually put a stop to it if a war goes on long enough. And if the victor cannot be stopped by any coalition of opposing nations then the victor will still be stopped by its very own people.
      For example, the US didn't technically lose the Vietnam war. But because it dragged on for so long, without achieving the goals they set out to achieve, the people of the US started themselves opposing any continued involvement by the US in the Vietnam war. So on paper, the US lost the war when they pulled out.

  • @yunustahakosoglustudent2626
    @yunustahakosoglustudent2626 Месяц назад +2

    Notice how we never actually fought against england but always either another race or country that they supported. Almost none of the british soldiers were actually british.

  • @Menckenperson
    @Menckenperson Месяц назад

    Can someone explain the “don’t worry about it” line in the succession to Rome timeline

  • @zap3231
    @zap3231 2 года назад +184

    "Something which they had coveted forever" *shows Soon in the big bang*
    This channel's humour has reached a new high and I love it to no end

    • @rachelar
      @rachelar 2 года назад

      I fear its their next target 🎯

  • @emperornapoleon6204
    @emperornapoleon6204 2 года назад +186

    Tsar Nicholas bouncing along in the background; the British claiming Mare Nostrum, and all the other humor cleverly thrown in.
    This channel is gold! May it prosper evermore.

  • @thomasdrivas5317
    @thomasdrivas5317 Год назад +4

    This is a total disgrace, and I respect countries, no matter where they’re from, or what culture or religion, but this really breaks my heart to see turkey disrespecting another country, so much . Not only should they give back their city . But the history should even be acknowledged a lot of the Greeks have let things be, despite the fact they deserve so much more. For example if you go to Italy, the Italians love the Greeks so much so that they acknowledge that Greek colonies that were in southern Italy and you’ll even find some of the Italian communities have Greek descent beacause of this . But when you go to Turkey, the ancient Greek cities, for example are told by Turkish people to tourists the the monuments are not Greek but ancient Turkish which built like Greeks including the orthodox cathedral Hagia Sofia
    You might be thinking how I know this well, a friend of mine went to Turkey and she loves Greece, and she was disgusted by the disrespect. The tour guide was showing. She knew a lot of the monuments that were Greek and they were not even acknowledged in fact, the tour guide boasted about the ottoman victory Against the Greeks, not a lot of tourists were very happy, but when she went to Greece, the Greeks, even though they knew what the Ottomans have done still showed the acknowledgement of their occupation and acknowledged that they had been beaten and were under occupation for 400 years . And what’s amazing is there are a lot of Turkish people today that actually live in Greece and some Greek people can be disrespectful towards them I will say that now but majority try to be hospitable and kind as part of being Christian is being used to being better than your enemies and to actually love them. So you tell me now who is showing more respect and just to clarify I know not all Turkish people hate Greece. In fact there are a lot and many in Australia who actually love the Greek community .

  • @cloudshifter
    @cloudshifter 10 месяцев назад +2

    It's another classic case of British going "Greeks don't deserve this" as they have done numberous times with Greek historical artifacts such as the Parthenon marbles.

  • @kotyrollins
    @kotyrollins 2 года назад +197

    Out for 3 hours and seen by over 115,000 people. Thank you for teaching history on a grand scale. -aspiring history teacher.

  • @Shuuchi0676
    @Shuuchi0676 2 года назад +27

    I swear, 99% of the questions on this channel can be answered with "Cuz Britain and France".

    • @silencemeviolateme6076
      @silencemeviolateme6076 Год назад

      Yes. That's the modern world. Go back to the middle ages and you won't hear a peep out of them. The ottoman invasion of Constantinople started the age of discovery. Western Europe dominates because the ottomans cut off the silk road.

  • @arkady714
    @arkady714 Год назад +3

    I love these videos but after seeing a few of them, one must ask one single question: Did anything happen on Earth between the Middle Ages until the 1980s that DIDN'T involve British greed???

  • @anilkarakaya9343
    @anilkarakaya9343 Месяц назад +2

    This is a surprisingly well answer for otherwise a low level question

    • @TheBooban
      @TheBooban 20 дней назад +1

      Summary is that the Greeks were beaten by the Turks. Simple as that.

    • @anilkarakaya9343
      @anilkarakaya9343 20 дней назад

      @@TheBooban its more like, they werent relevant to claim such a large and strategic city. Even if nationalists in ankara was toppled by greek army, the british would have kept constantinople for themselves.

    • @TheBooban
      @TheBooban 20 дней назад

      @@anilkarakaya9343 you missed the part where the Turks fought them and kicked them out of the areas they did hold. If they held that, the British would have handed over Constantinople as the empire declined.

    • @TheBooban
      @TheBooban 20 дней назад

      @@anilkarakaya9343 my comment was deleted. RUclips deletes all my political commentary.

    • @anilkarakaya9343
      @anilkarakaya9343 20 дней назад

      @@TheBooban I exactly said the opposite in my previous comment. If turks had lost, british would have kept the city and turkish straits for themselves. They would still keep it or most likely later decide to create a puppet turkish mandate based on constantinople so that turks wouldnt become communists. Greece not having constantinople is more about greece being insignificant, not with turkish victory.

  • @americancaesar6065
    @americancaesar6065 Год назад +500

    A big reason the Greeks wanted that coast was because a great many Christian greeks also lived on the Ionian Coast. After the Turks pulled of their victory, many greeks fled Anatolia in a panic to the greek mainland, and in fact many greek settlements can be found on the coast, abandoned and untouched since their flight

    • @octomagnus7029
      @octomagnus7029 Год назад +69

      The Greek governor of Smyrna said this about ethnic Greeks in Anatolia during the Greco Turkish war : It is better for us, if they stay here and get slaughtered by Ataturk, than for them to go to Greece and instill chaos in our country"
      Basically, Greeks wanted it. But didn't wanna fight for it. They didn't care about the people. They wanted the great powers to magically spoon-feed them the territory

    • @abedbbb7083
      @abedbbb7083 Год назад +56

      No it is not about the Greeks living there because the majority were Muslims , Greece had that dream of greater Greece by getting all the lands of historical Greek cities and still dreaming about it but they expected that the European powers will fight their fight with them like they did or let be more precise Britain had created Greece itself without the British intervention the Greeks had zero chance of secession from the Ottomans but the Greeks realized later that they are puppets and when their ambitions does not go along with the European powers they will be sacrificed

    • @Panos_Stayis
      @Panos_Stayis Год назад +93

      Τo say the whole truth as it has, regardless of the politically correct politeness constantly being expected from all of us, the Greeks of Asia Minor fled in panic because they were been slaughtered already before the coming of the Greek army in Smyrna (which was the reason why the Greeks had taken the advantage to expand on 1920). The Turkish state is well known for the barbaric treatment of minorities (the Armenian Genocide is another typical example), the same was happening to the Greek population well before the Greek expedition in Asia Minor. Whoever wants to know details, he can read what George Horton or Ernest Hemingway wrote about the genocidal actions of the Kemalists - not to mention what the Greeks have to say about the issue. And of course it wasnt about Kemalism after all - it is about culture.

    • @__semidulce
      @__semidulce Год назад

      @@Panos_Stayis Why don't you mention the "devil battalion" of the Greek army which plandered and burned our cities, raped, mutilated and killed our people, not the man on the warfare but the vulnerable woman and children in order to change the demographics of the cities to later claim that the Greek population was higher there? I have nothing against the fact Greece has its own independence, as the Turkish nation we fought for it too. What so funny here is, you declared independence over the Ottomans and then declared war against the Ottomans acting as the puppets of the countries which did not even think you were important enough to give the Constantinapole to, then you massacred our people and when we defend ourselves doesn't matter as the Ottoman Empire or as Kemalists you are calling us barbarians? What about what the Turkish people have to say about this issue? You can not play the victim over a war that you started and massacred our people to get even more land, as you said "the advantage to expand on 1920". How did you take the advantage? By asking nicely?

    • @yo2trader539
      @yo2trader539 Год назад +67

      The history of the region is rather tragic considering that many people in Turkey are descendants of Turkified Greeks, Armenians, Kurds, Iranian, and Baltic Slavs. Original Turks are Northeast Asian and genetically and culturally similar to Mongolians.

  • @rileycartee8357
    @rileycartee8357 2 года назад +129

    Because of completely unrelated events can you do an episode on the 2014 Crimea War

    • @chelseacomps829
      @chelseacomps829 2 года назад +4

      🤣🤣

    • @worlddd7777
      @worlddd7777 2 года назад +12

      It was not war, Russians took their land back and people in Crimea didnt mind.

    • @jaidengabriel1675
      @jaidengabriel1675 2 года назад +4

      @@worlddd7777 what else should he call it, "The 2014 occupation of Crimea?"

    • @balabanasireti
      @balabanasireti 2 года назад +12

      @@worlddd7777 Be quiet, bot

    • @worlddd7777
      @worlddd7777 2 года назад +5

      @@jaidengabriel1675 It was referendum where people voted 90% to join Russia. In 1954 Crimea was given to Ukraine by Hruschov, who was Ukranian by the way.
      How do u call US invasion of Iraq with lies about weapons of mass destruction?
      How do u call US invasion of Yugoslavia in 1999 with false genocide narrative?
      Putin is doing exactly what US has been doing for decades now.

  • @maveium
    @maveium Месяц назад

    Who is James Bissonette?

  • @zepher_blackstoc2366
    @zepher_blackstoc2366 Год назад

    “Resign and let your successor deal with it.” Now where have I heard that because.

  • @francesco8000
    @francesco8000 2 года назад +284

    Moral of the story: the members of the Entente were so greedy to get as much land as possible that they ended up getting a lot less.

    • @elemperadordemexico
      @elemperadordemexico 2 года назад +8

      The bankers were the entente

    • @Nostripe361
      @Nostripe361 2 года назад +90

      The sad thing is they had the chance to create lasting peace in Europe but greed and desire for vengeance squandered the negotiations and led to Europe’s eventual collapsing into the US and USSR’s chessboard

    • @eodyn7
      @eodyn7 2 года назад +25

      @@Nostripe361 and now Europe has a babysitter.

    • @brandonlyon730
      @brandonlyon730 2 года назад +9

      Not like the central powers were much better, look at all the territory Germany took in there treaty with Russia.

    • @evelynalex8787
      @evelynalex8787 2 года назад +3

      @@Nostripe361 lol, bitch about it, Europoors.

  • @awc6007
    @awc6007 2 года назад +46

    “What was Vietnam like after the Vietnam War?” for a future video?

    • @Robin-jk6wz
      @Robin-jk6wz 2 года назад +2

      Not too peachy, I think.

    • @dragonace119
      @dragonace119 2 года назад +9

      @@Robin-jk6wz At least they helped liberate Cambodia from the Khmer Rouge so there's that.

    • @Robin-jk6wz
      @Robin-jk6wz 2 года назад +2

      @@dragonace119 Yeah, that was pretty based; I just think that they could have been better if we (US & friends) didn't fucked them over.

    • @brandonlyon730
      @brandonlyon730 2 года назад +1

      @@dragonace119 Though China later on invaded them.

    • @dragonace119
      @dragonace119 2 года назад +3

      @@brandonlyon730 They pushed them back though so there's that.

  • @Billy-I-Am-Not
    @Billy-I-Am-Not 22 дня назад

    Is that how you pronounce sevres?

  • @flawyerlawyertv7454
    @flawyerlawyertv7454 Год назад

    Hello!

  • @caitlino5753
    @caitlino5753 Год назад +257

    As an Ancient Historian who is awful with contextualising ancient with modern history. I love watching stuff like this, because sometimes I'm too wrapped up in ancient politics to see what recent influence it has, thank you!

    • @elladapetrosyan9610
      @elladapetrosyan9610 Год назад +11

      As an ancient historian I hope you will never use the term ancient turkey.

    • @reubenmatthews5615
      @reubenmatthews5615 Год назад +12

      It's pretty crazy how basically all of European politics can be traced back to the Fall of Rome and the instability it caused.

    • @ntinossugaro3953
      @ntinossugaro3953 Год назад

      as a greek i totally feel u

    • @bronzeagecollapse
      @bronzeagecollapse Год назад +1

      @Theo Chi With all due respect sir. The greek philosophies and sciences were inherited by the islamic cultures at the dawn of the medieval age, with most of europe, including greece itself, denoting them as pagan scriptures of little importance. It's short sighted to describe any culture as "lower in mentality" or uncultured. People have a lot to learn from eachother and if we think like this, then we cannot do that

    • @bronzeagecollapse
      @bronzeagecollapse Год назад

      @Theo Chi I understood that you are saying today's turks are less cultured than greeks, which is not really true. But maybe i understood you wrong

  • @uwaisessa6892
    @uwaisessa6892 2 года назад +223

    Simplistic, fast, easily digestible and entertaining/interesting. This channel really does it all

    • @robw9435
      @robw9435 2 года назад +1

      This channel is to Millenials what Schoolhouse Rock was to Gen X.

  • @zekihamzaoglu9608
    @zekihamzaoglu9608 10 месяцев назад

    The main issue was and is Megali Kolo, which they did/ do not have.

  • @ryujibackyeah4189
    @ryujibackyeah4189 11 месяцев назад +1

    I was watching this shorts and it suddenly turn into teh fall of Constantinople for some reason probably glitch

  • @pabcu2507
    @pabcu2507 2 года назад +448

    If only James bissonette was there, he could’ve achieved it

    • @JB-yb4wn
      @JB-yb4wn 2 года назад +27

      James has solved much more difficult problems than this. Really should be up for a Nobel Peace prize or something.

    • @zhangjeff238
      @zhangjeff238 2 года назад +20

      James Bissonette, one of the most hidden and richest person of all time

    • @jamesbissonette8002
      @jamesbissonette8002 2 года назад +41

      Doubt it

    • @therodyman700
      @therodyman700 2 года назад +8

      James bissonette could have bankrolled the resurrection of the roman empire

    • @burakalp34
      @burakalp34 2 года назад +2

      Well then thankfully he wasn't there

  • @Tyrkia123
    @Tyrkia123 2 года назад +6

    I love that you have kept the same style of animation since the beginning, it's charming

  • @GolemDude
    @GolemDude Год назад

    What about the eastern parts of Turkey, what happened to those?

  • @osok5492
    @osok5492 Месяц назад

    Where is that place anyway

  • @astavist
    @astavist Год назад +33

    there is no “didn’t”, there is “can’t”

  • @Zatara023
    @Zatara023 2 года назад +18

    Great topic! As a greek with roots from there, this was very informative.

  • @jaydenjayden3990
    @jaydenjayden3990 2 года назад +180

    I love how Joining the central power you get what you want and Joining the Allies there is a 99.999% that the British and french are going to ignore Literally any gains you want after helping them fight the largest war in history at the time.

    • @christianweibrecht6555
      @christianweibrecht6555 2 года назад +3

      Hard to imagine what would happen to Greece and the Ottomans if they remained neutral

    • @UnholyWrath3277
      @UnholyWrath3277 2 года назад +10

      @@christianweibrecht6555 if they were neutral all throughout they likely wouldn't have changed much other then the ottomans survive longer. Neither side would have had much an appetite for more war after WW1 ended and both Greece/turkey likely could have resisted whichever side won in that universe

    • @kasadam85
      @kasadam85 2 года назад +11

      @@UnholyWrath3277 The invasion of middle east would happen anyway but I think Ottomans can handle it as long as it is fighting a single state or front.

    • @kasadam85
      @kasadam85 2 года назад +3

      German Empire betrayed Ottomans about their promises in Caucasus region by attacking them with Russian uniforms after an agreement done with Georgians. Sad how this happened before the was even over.

    • @christianweibrecht6555
      @christianweibrecht6555 2 года назад +11

      @@kasadam85 such an outlandish claim will be dismissed until you provide citation

  • @JasonGabler
    @JasonGabler Месяц назад

    I just love how who was living in Constantinople at the time and which language and culture was primary doesn't enter into the decision one bit.

  • @rbzbsb
    @rbzbsb Месяц назад

    "Mare Nostrum, yo!" made me laugh too much

  • @potzilla4471
    @potzilla4471 2 года назад +105

    Could you do a video on what was Europe’s response to Spain losing nearly all of their American colonies in a relatively short period of time?

    • @SirFaceFone
      @SirFaceFone 2 года назад +20

      _Free real estate._

    • @silencemeviolateme6076
      @silencemeviolateme6076 Год назад +1

      Was it any quicker than others? Spain had control of Louisiana until they gave it back to France right before Napoleon sold it.

    • @potzilla4471
      @potzilla4471 Год назад +3

      @@silencemeviolateme6076
      So between 1810 to 1826 they lost the majority of their colonies in the Americas from Argentina up to Mexico. They still had some territories such as the Philippines, Cuba, etc., but they lost their largest, most important colonies about a hundred years before the other Europeans lost their most important colonies.

    • @silencemeviolateme6076
      @silencemeviolateme6076 Год назад +2

      @@potzilla4471 they started colonizing about a hundred years earlier too. The 1500s was dominated by the Spanish. The English empire in the east was built on the Portuguese empire.

  • @declannewton2556
    @declannewton2556 2 года назад +86

    Video Idea: How did citizens of Eastern Bloc countries view, or rather were presented, electoral politics in the West, if at all.
    Would there be any coverage beforehand of Western elections? Or would the media just say one morning somebody just won an election in the UK or America?

    • @strategossable1366
      @strategossable1366 2 года назад +6

      iirc, the standard line was that the elections were all decided by the large money interests and the common people had little to no power over the elections

    • @maximilianbeyer5642
      @maximilianbeyer5642 2 года назад +4

      @@strategossable1366 sounds surprisingly accurate, at least for the us

    • @MidlifeCrisisJoe
      @MidlifeCrisisJoe 2 года назад +1

      @@strategossable1366 Yeah . . . that's totally, completely a li- er, um, and exag- hmm, well, kind of too accurate for comfort really.

    • @CDexie
      @CDexie 2 года назад +1

      Oof. While the Soviets were a lot more overt with their repression, don't think for a second that Western democracies didn't simply "present" the politics of the Eastern Bloc. It was the Cold War after all

    • @declannewton2556
      @declannewton2556 2 года назад

      @@CDexie
      I'm well aware the West did present Eastern bloc politics in to fit a narrative. For example most people today don't know that East Germany did in fact have multiple parties.
      But I'm just curious on how things were on the otherside of the Iron Curtain.

  • @lumpyspaceprincess6335
    @lumpyspaceprincess6335 Месяц назад

    İ just thought you weren't gonna mention the most important one😅

  • @DursunX
    @DursunX 11 месяцев назад

    fairly accurate

  • @mrgeetar5421
    @mrgeetar5421 2 года назад +48

    It's always nice when History Matters uploads at night.

    • @delano4526
      @delano4526 2 года назад +3

      For me its the Afternoon

    • @funnyman4744
      @funnyman4744 2 года назад

      AURELIAN???

    • @mrgeetar5421
      @mrgeetar5421 2 года назад

      @@funnyman4744 hello fellow Aurelian fan

  • @galatheumbreon6862
    @galatheumbreon6862 2 года назад +44

    Turkey: we won't accept your deal
    UK: oh really? well we have something to say about that, right guys?
    France and Italy: *makes peace sign before fading away*
    UK: uhhh hehe guys...
    Turkey: you said something about fighting us again?

    • @kasadam85
      @kasadam85 2 года назад +6

      Realistically they could've invaded the entirety of Turkiye but consequences would have been unbearable as the population isn't likely to stop rebelling.

    • @kasadam85
      @kasadam85 2 года назад

      @Rapstick Perdelemiyor zaten ama kamu oyunu görmezden gelip istilaya devam edebilirdi ve büyük ihtimalle başarılı da olurdu ama dediğim gibi imparatorluğu yıkılmaya kadar götürebilirdi bunun masrafları.

    • @eyeofthepyramid2596
      @eyeofthepyramid2596 Год назад

      At that time Brits were dominant, they could have fought but giving it to turkey was reasonable to prevent USSR, also imagine holding against turkey, Greece and Russia ? It wasn't Brits were weak but God favoured truks

  • @topdecker1334
    @topdecker1334 Год назад

    i did not know that saarland is world wide known

  • @stuffandnonsense8528
    @stuffandnonsense8528 Месяц назад +1

    A good description. Sadly, I think this was, in retrospect, an error. Giving it to Greece would, I suspect, have been beneficial for Europe in the long term.

  • @imperiiitalica6278
    @imperiiitalica6278 2 года назад +160

    My favorite topic from this channel since the “when did the Roman’s become Italians”. Love the creative topics!

    • @aidenbooksmith2351
      @aidenbooksmith2351 2 года назад +8

      You can always count on creative topics from them!

    • @stephmod7434
      @stephmod7434 2 года назад +4

      fun fact Greeks reffered to themselfs as "Romans" after the Greek revolution ended they started saying we are Hellenes (Greece means South Italy)

    • @stephmod7434
      @stephmod7434 2 года назад +1

      @@Serbest_Piyasa_Ekonomisi hahahaha!

    • @lklklhiai
      @lklklhiai Год назад +2

      @@Serbest_Piyasa_Ekonomisi bro what? You mean the opposite? Greece was never Turkey but turkey was Greece for many many years.

    • @user-rq3rd9iz2e
      @user-rq3rd9iz2e 9 месяцев назад

      Roman Current ones turkey because Istanbul Constantinople 😊

  • @Thanos_Kyriakopoulos
    @Thanos_Kyriakopoulos Год назад +119

    There was a collision of negative coincidences.
    1) Greece was given a German King in 1832, which made us neutral for the time but made us an enemy of Britain after German unification. In the same time, Austria Prussia and Germany were always allies of Turkey, so that made us vulnerable on the double.
    2) Britain actually offered Constantinople to Greece if we joined them against the Turks in Gallipoli, but our German King said no, the British lost, and when they finally won afterwards by themselves they owed us no favour.
    3) Greek politicians realised the king's destructive role and sent him into exile in order to fight with Britain, but in the meantime Turks had time to exterminate Armenians and Pontian Greeks, so they wouldn't have to fight in two fronts later.
    4) when we actually invaded Anatolia, the Russian Revolution had just happened, which meant Greece lost its best supporter and ally, and Turkey automatically lost its worst enemy and won a friend, because Greece fought against the Bolsheviks.
    5) Russia apart from being the best and natural ally of Greece as the biggest orthodox country in the world, was also the only reason why the West supported Greece over Turkey. Greece was favoured by the British so as not to collaborate with Russia and give Russia access to the Mediterranean. Since Greece was hostile to the USSR and Turkey was friendly, the West starting flattering Turkey so that they don't become communist, which was the danger now. So Turkey in 1922 won with Russian and French guns.
    6) the King out of spite slandered the politicians who threw him out of power as responsible for leading the country into war, and when we should be fighting the hardest, the royal politicians were saying we're fighting for no reason and the King will end the war as soon as he's brought back. The Greeks were stupid enough to vote for him, and Greece in 1920 had a German King again, which sent Britain straight to the arms of Kemal Atatürk. After coming into power he knew he should continue the war, because it was matter of survival, but being reluctant to work with Britain and Germans being always pro Turkish he lost any allies. So it was no wonder the front collapsed in 1922 because Turkey had everyone on its side and Greece was alone.
    7) Europe may have supported Greece to put pressure on Turkey and Russia, but never wanted to see a Roman empire again, which questioned their self proclaimed status of heirs of ancient Greek and Roman heritage. The Vatican firmly opposed Constantinople turning Greek, to the point of favouring it remaining Muslim than Orthodox.
    8) Kemal Atatürk was a very clever and strong leader, who took advantage of the favourable circumstances and the chaotic policy of Greece and put the nail on the coffin of any Greek empire. Turks after the fall of the sultan didn't have a vacuum of power and had immediately a new leader.
    9) In conclusion, the treasonous role of the Greek King and royal party, the naivete and fatigue of the Greek people, the reluctance of the West to see a Greek Orthodox empire, good Turkish strategy and leadership, and most importantly the Bolshevik Revolution, made it impossible for thr Greeks to realise their Big Idea of freeing Aya Sofya. Because man has his plans but God has His own.

    • @Thanos_Kyriakopoulos
      @Thanos_Kyriakopoulos Год назад +7

      @Y. Emrah Özdaş you are confusing 1912 with 1922.

    • @lefterismagkoutas4430
      @lefterismagkoutas4430 Год назад +4

      Very good response. Well said.

    • @philippmaqs8799
      @philippmaqs8799 Год назад

      That #7. lmao

    • @Thanos_Kyriakopoulos
      @Thanos_Kyriakopoulos Год назад +14

      @@philippmaqs8799 the Orthodox church has martyrs both from Roman emperors, Arab khalifs, Turkish sultans and Catholic Popes. In the orthodox calendar we commemorate many monks who were butchered or tortured to death by Catholic soldiers for not converting. During ww2 the Vatican supported a Croat general who massacred thousands of Serb orthodox and is now a saint of the Catholic church. The German army starved the whole city of Athens to death but the Vatican promised food only if we converted, and we suffered famine under the Italian army while the Turks sent us supplies!!! But you won't hear that in the Pope's Christmas speech (my turn to laugh)

    • @angelb.823
      @angelb.823 Год назад +8

      There are some mistakes.
      1) Britain offered Cyprus, not Constantinople, during the Gallipoli campaign. There were literally no plans to include Constantinople in Greece's borders. The only talks to take Constantinople away from the Turks was through the secret talks with Imperial Russia during negotiations regarding the partition of the Ottoman Empire during the ongoing WWI. Even when Russia fell into civil war, Britain and the other Entente allies were reluctant to handle the City to the Greeks. Part of this was the fear of British officials about Muslim insurrection (the Ottoman Sultan was still the Caliph [the religious leader of the Muslim world]) in British-occupied countries with Muslim population (e.g. British Raj). By discarding the Ottoman Sultan and Caliph would meant that the British would have to deal with the ire of their British Muslim subjects in their colonial empire. Another was the Entente's distaste and hate for the German-Danish-Greek royal family as stated in the video. No way they would allow a German king to become Emperor of the Greeks/Romans in the throne of Constantinople.
      2) Even when the German Greek King (Constantine) returned during the Greco-Turkish war, the British public didn't support Kemal directly, only its allies, France and Italy, through their guns. That doesn't mean they fully supported Greece neither, with the exception of the moral support of David Lloyd George. Until the end of the Greco-Turkish war, the British public was staunchly neutral to the conflict. The British public even opposed David Lloyd George's plan to counter the Turks at the Chanak Crisis, leaving the British troops to evacuate from Anatolia and Constantinople shortly thereafter. The Treaty of Lausanne followed afterwards, and the everything else is history.

  • @jimtaylor294
    @jimtaylor294 Год назад +1

    Britain in another worldline: *achieves mare nostrum for herself in 1919*
    Mussolini in that world: "£₩€×!"

  • @ersanalpunlu2014
    @ersanalpunlu2014 2 года назад +102

    Slight correction, Treaty of Lausanne didnt finalized Republic of Turkey's borders, it was the referandum of Antioch/Hatay that finalized the borders since they chose to join Turkey.

    • @hashchief664
      @hashchief664 2 года назад +14

      Also the Treaty of Moscow. They agreed the border around what is now Georgia, Azerbaijan, and Armenia. 16 March 1921. The man sent for the signing was Halil Pasha, an uncle of Enver Pasha who Kemal actually respected, unlike his opinions of Enver.

    • @sator3946
      @sator3946 2 года назад +7

      Referendum of Antioch = 🤡🤡🤡🤡

    • @kasadam85
      @kasadam85 2 года назад +41

      @@sator3946 You = 🤡

    • @kasadam85
      @kasadam85 2 года назад +1

      Also the treaty of Ararat

    • @hashchief664
      @hashchief664 2 года назад +1

      @@kasadam85 actually you're semi correct and I'm wrong lmao
      The treaty of Kars is what you're referring to which is where they actually made agreement on the three borders.
      The Moscow treaty was more for weapons and some assistance from the Soviets and general recognition of each others existence.

  • @1966bdc1984
    @1966bdc1984 2 года назад +6

    I have an old Rand McNally wall map of Asia that shows the area from Constantinople to the Dardanelles labeled "Zone of the Straits" and now I finally know why! Thanks for another great video.

    • @Thoralmir
      @Thoralmir Год назад +1

      "Rand McNally", isn't that where hamburgers eat people? :p

  • @DavidWillisSLS
    @DavidWillisSLS 11 месяцев назад +1

    “And one who’s German king had no right to claim the inheritance of Rome”
    Oh so NOW that’s a problem? Where were the British for the past 1000 years when the Germans were claiming the title of holy Roman emperor????

  • @oliversherman2414
    @oliversherman2414 Год назад +5

    I love your channel keep up the great stuff!

  • @GuildsmanPirate
    @GuildsmanPirate 2 года назад +184

    Here’s an idea: Why did Montenegro, despite being a member of the Entente, lose sovereignty and become annexed into Yugoslavia after WWI

    • @MrRogerogerio
      @MrRogerogerio 2 года назад +90

      The fact that this event is so obscure makes it such a perfect History Matters video subject.

    • @imperiumCirca41
      @imperiumCirca41 2 года назад +5

      It's the Entente, they didn't care
      Also I like to think because Austria-Hungary occupied it,It left the Serbians alone with the option to decide Montenegro's future and that was annexation,just my idea though

    • @alexaurum913
      @alexaurum913 2 года назад +38

      From what I know about early Yugoslavia it wasn't as much of an annexation as much as a (mostly) willing union. Montenegrin kings and people at the time did believe that their future is to at one point unite with Serbia. These ideas didn't take off until it was discovered that the King of Montenegro was willing to make a separate peace with the central powers, thereby betraying the Entente. After the country was liberated the pro Serbian politicians took the initiative and agreed to become a part of Yugoslavia. There were still those loyal to the king and and independent Montenegro, and they revolted, but with no success. Today you will mostly see it characterised as a forceful occupation and annexation , but it would be wrong to say that nobody in Montenegro was actually on board with it at the time. Montenegro remained mostly pro Yugoslavia/Pro Serbia for the rest of the 20th century, untill Đukanović took power. But then again, we'll never know whether or not Serbia would have respected Montenegro's wishes had it not decided to join. The truth is that, even if it wasn't immediate, Montenegro would most likely become a part of Yugoslavia no matter what.

    • @vasilije94
      @vasilije94 2 года назад +22

      That is quite a simple answer. Montenegro is a country populated by serbs. Montenegrians are serbs. They just lived under a different entity. After ww1 they themselves voted to join the kingdom of Serbia because they are serbs. They couldnt do it before because Austro Hungarian Empire was against Serbian people uniting because there were serbs in Bosnia which Austro Hungaria anexed. Also that is why Austro Hungarian Empire made Albania out of nothing after balkan wars that happened few years before WW1 so it doesnt give Kingdom of Serbia acess to sea even though majority of people there were serbs and Serbia and Montenegro together fought of Otomans from the land. Long story short, after WW1 there was no longer Austro Hungarian Empire to to block serbs from Montenegro to unite with rest of the serbs so they voted themselves and joined Kingdom of Serbia. Simple.

    • @eltonbacaj2882
      @eltonbacaj2882 2 года назад +10

      @@vasilije94 Albania Serbs ? Where did you get your history books from ? If anything Montenegro is more Albania then anything. Especially in the south they all speak Albanian.

  • @Kioxxa
    @Kioxxa Год назад +2

    If James Bissonette supported Greece they would get it.

  • @Jsmith2024
    @Jsmith2024 Год назад

    Interesting.

  • @SemihG22
    @SemihG22 2 года назад +132

    Allies: You've lost the Great War
    Mustafa Kemal and the Turks: I didn't hear no bell

    • @erdemcrpc7115
      @erdemcrpc7115 2 года назад +3

      Ulan 2 kelime İngilizce yazdığınızda bile bir sürü yanlışlar var. Gerçekten İngilizce eğitimimiz bok gibiymiş.

    • @atlascandemir8067
      @atlascandemir8067 2 года назад +3

      @@erdemcrpc7115 yanlış olabilir de, slang konuşunca anadili İngilizce olanlar da böyle kullanıyo, ve de meme zaten, I didn't hear no ... veya I didn't do no ...

    • @SemihG22
      @SemihG22 2 года назад +5

      @@atlascandemir8067 dur hacı. Bırak meme kendini yaratmış ne güzel.

    • @atlascandemir8067
      @atlascandemir8067 2 года назад

      @@SemihG22 gerçekten

    • @Fuad_Haciyev57
      @Fuad_Haciyev57 2 года назад +1

      By the way it was Russian bolsheviks who provided Mustafa Kemal with nessecary arms and money to fight the Greeks and reconquer Greek occupied part of Anatolia. This victory made British military withdraw from Constantinople and led to establishment of modern Turkey.

  • @kingflumph5968
    @kingflumph5968 2 года назад +6

    I'm a fan of the channel! I would like to ask, would it be possible for the description to include the sources used for the information? I often find myself wanting to do more reading and it would be great to have a jumping off point. Thank you kindly!

  • @ryansearle6157
    @ryansearle6157 21 день назад +1

    “And they felt that Greece’s German king had no right to claim the legacy of Rome.”
    *Laughs in Holy Roman Empire*

  • @cancetin7112
    @cancetin7112 Год назад +2

    Please fix the mistake in your video @History Matters. British didn't give ultimatum to Mustafa Kemal. Instead, Mustafa Kemal gave the ultimatum to British 'Withdraw orTotal War'. British chose to withdraw and left Istanbul because Biritish were weak after the 1st World war.

    • @lenseclipse
      @lenseclipse Год назад

      they were not "weak" just tired of war because it was expensive and Britain had better things to do

    • @cancetin7112
      @cancetin7112 Год назад +1

      @@lenseclipse sure 😂

  • @lynn4062
    @lynn4062 2 года назад +33

    Fourth reason: By now Constantinople/Istanbul after nearly 500 years was pridominal turkish in population and Greek rule over the city would have been next to impossibel against Turkish resistance.

    • @0249er
      @0249er 2 года назад +5

      25% of the Turkish population lives in thrace. In modern populations that would mean Greece with 10 million people would need to occupy and control 20 million

    • @Creem16
      @Creem16 2 года назад +21

      "By now", ye cus they purged every greek citizen living there

    • @planescaped
      @planescaped 2 года назад +3

      @@Creem16 That'd been going on for a few hundred years at that point.

    • @kebabseverim3364
      @kebabseverim3364 2 года назад +14

      @@Creem16 I really thank people like you, not only you guys make thousands or millions of people to deny "Armenian" or "Greek" genocide but also encourage them to be sceptical about many things in their lives.
      Average Eastern European when they lose the war: "You genocide"
      When they win the war: "Haha die"

    • @galerinha
      @galerinha 2 года назад +2

      @@kebabseverim3364 it's never aceptable to mass kill civilians, you don't need to be European to understand this. for example my country Brazil killed most of the male population of Paraguay during the war with some accounts saying 70% of the male population. this was wrong, even if they were soldiers (which I doubt) we should have porsued a different strategy to allow the soldiers to surrender without fight.

  • @stathikatehis154
    @stathikatehis154 2 года назад +17

    As a Greek this video hurts

    • @C.A.A.1911
      @C.A.A.1911 2 года назад

      Why?

    • @karaboga8825
      @karaboga8825 2 года назад +8

      Good

    • @chm5750
      @chm5750 2 года назад +1

      @@C.A.A.1911 Weren't you paying attention.

    • @nameless3431
      @nameless3431 2 года назад +3

      Sorry. But if you see humans as humans and dont put them into categories you can still enjoy the city. We welcome everyone.

    • @Mate_Mateo
      @Mate_Mateo 2 года назад +3

      As a Croat this hurts too, Turks got away with their wrongdoings in Europe. Croatia lost Bosnia because of Ottomans and you lost your best city. My condolences

  • @alexpozniak4106
    @alexpozniak4106 6 месяцев назад

    I've said it before and I'll say it again. I love your visual humor.

  • @pjvish
    @pjvish 2 года назад +33

    I actually live in Sèvres and the building used for the Treaty is now an art museum. Not very useful information, but I thought it was a fun coincidence

    • @tadopoulostadopoylos5864
      @tadopoulostadopoylos5864 2 года назад

      SEVRES est pres de paris?

    • @pjvish
      @pjvish 2 года назад

      @@tadopoulostadopoylos5864 oui ! À quelques kilomètres seulement

  • @wentonmastermind
    @wentonmastermind 2 года назад +18

    In 1992 I was in Athens. I saw a large hand-painted slogan in Greek on the side of a major church: "Constantinople is the capital of Greece, not Athens..."

    • @f.berjer4612
      @f.berjer4612 2 года назад +13

      If greece want war, they can come !

    • @xwriatikh
      @xwriatikh 2 года назад +1

      @@f.berjer4612 No, no, trust me, we dont want war. Who made you think so anyways?

    • @perspecktivity
      @perspecktivity 2 года назад

      now athens is home to german and italian merchants.

    • @wentonmastermind
      @wentonmastermind 2 года назад

      @@perspecktivity I was in Athens when my Greek friend told me that there was an area of Athens officially called Apollonia (the coast of Apollo.) It is now called Polonia, which is the Greek name for Poland. I wonder why!

    • @williamdavis9562
      @williamdavis9562 2 года назад +3

      @@xwriatikh Claiming another nation's city as your capital generally leads to war no?

  • @BartlomiejDmowski
    @BartlomiejDmowski 8 месяцев назад +2

    Greece: We are descendants of Rome and Ancient Greece!
    Britain: (does it mean I'll have to give them back all Ancient Greek treasures I have in the British Museum?)
    Britain: No, you are not

    • @lokischeissmessiah5749
      @lokischeissmessiah5749 Месяц назад

      if they are the descendants of rome, and rome looted so much of the british resources and never gave them back, then it's only fair the british keep those ancient treasures. even steven :)

    • @BartlomiejDmowski
      @BartlomiejDmowski Месяц назад

      @@lokischeissmessiah5749 I don’t know if they can be equally compared

    • @lokischeissmessiah5749
      @lokischeissmessiah5749 Месяц назад

      @@BartlomiejDmowski why not

  • @spaghettiking7312
    @spaghettiking7312 10 месяцев назад +3

    Even Canada wasn't willing to send troops to Turkey. When even Britain's loyal child won't send aid, it proves the Turks won the war not only out of determination, but out of everyone else's collective exhaustion and apathy.

    • @facoulac
      @facoulac 10 месяцев назад +2

      Well said. The french stereotypically surrendered immediately to the Turks, and the italians switched sides, giving them plenty of weapons. As for the brits, they were too tired from the war and only supported greece diplomatically.

  • @ancient7716
    @ancient7716 2 года назад +166

    I wanna explain this from the perspective of Turkey:
    After the invasion, Mustafa Kemal quickly moves to Samsun from Istanbul (Istanbul was heavily under control of invading countries, and government was held a gun to their head to sign anything invaders wanted, including something as detrimental as Sevr.) From Samsun, he goes to Ankara and along the way, he held congress and explains the dare situation of to all the citizens. Then he opens a parliment and gathers an army of willing Turkish citizens to join, which is later supported by Russia and other countries (weapons, food, clothes vere donated.) in order to fight back.
    Enemies were everywhere: South, East and West. Only safe places were Middle and Northern turkey. The army fought them all one by one and won all of these wars, even in those harsh conditions. Back then, every nation was trying to take advantage of Wilson Principles (14th point especially) to declare their independence by voting. However, Turkish people were dominant in numbers everywhere. So, intruders killed many Turkish families illegally and covered it up so that it would never be brought up. Although they failed, they killed many Turks which justified Independence War all over the country. Atatürk has a book called Nutuk where he has proofs of all these dirty tricks that they pulled against Turkey.
    Anyways. Ataturk's main strategy was to defend every square inch of the country. It worked very well in the end.

    • @captainjim1010
      @captainjim1010 2 года назад

      Turkish history books are seriously flawed. You need to ask the rest of the world about true facts since Turkey is not the ideal place to seek the truth. 99% of the problems you have with your neighbours are a result of this.
      You need to accept the countless black pages of your history in order to become a respectable country.

    • @lefterismagkoutas4430
      @lefterismagkoutas4430 Год назад +17

      This text very conveniently ignores that:
      1. Turkey never actually fought the great powers which abandoned their claims and Greece which were left alone in this war.
      2. Turks committed three genocides that were not like anything they can claim of the supposed "invaders".
      3. Turks were not a majority in many parts of coastal Anatolia, let alone western Armenia.
      All in all, you can see things as heroically as you want but you'll end up being vastly inaccurate in what you want to believe versus the reality.

    • @mnd9166
      @mnd9166 Год назад

      @@lefterismagkoutas4430 Just a bunch of Turkish militias defeated and forced the french to leave anatolia, cry about it.

    • @ancient7716
      @ancient7716 Год назад

      @Lefteris Magkoutas and your claims conveniently ignore that:
      A) great powers that invaded turkey harmed many people, so abandoning their claims is not good enough of a compensation (and some still supported greece until the end)
      B) fake documentations and corruption was wild during this age so you can't be sure whether these 'genocides' were ordered by turkish authorities that represented free will of Turkey during this era. They may as well be forcefully signed to ottoman government by western powers with blackmail. And its invalid regardless of this because that government was abolished in 2 years within the independence war due to being spineless and not representing Turkey in general.
      C) Turks have always been majority in Anatolia since after 1074 so this is a misinformed opinion. If at any point they were not majority, it would be proved by media that would occasionally keep track of distribution of population. There are proofs in Nutuk that Turks had higher number of population anyway.
      In the end, Nutuk shows us what is actually real with legal documents. Its not about believing it or not. Its already a fact.

    • @serkan8149
      @serkan8149 Год назад

      @@lefterismagkoutas4430 don't cry yorgo :)

  • @andbor
    @andbor 2 года назад +16

    You have a mistake in the map at 0:07. Malta was never part of the Ottoman Empire.

    • @hello-il3fg
      @hello-il3fg 10 месяцев назад +1

      They annexed it and lost heavily

  • @DieFlabbergast
    @DieFlabbergast Год назад

    "Under new management"! Har!