@@mrniceguy7168 No, most Turkish sources only focus on the Greek atrocities(which granted, they were barbaric look up Bloody Christmas) and most foreign sources only portray the Turks as "barbaric occupiers".
What i love about this channel is that he is just telling the story without trying to defend the actions of someone. Or misses out important facts to support one side.
@@bojarckhoosemanschnarf5851 He brought up Turks were subject to violence. The reason he probably didn't go into more detail is to not be demonitized. This is the same reason why Hitler in his more recent videos looks less like Hitler compared to his earlier videos.
If you have the slightest clue of the events in Cyprus at the time you'd know that "subject to violence" is a pretty substantial understatement of the facts. And also it does feel to me as if the writers went too far in being "balanced" that they not only underplayed massacres of Turkish Cypriots but justified them by making them out to be British collaborators (???). I'm not even going to mention the genocidal EOKA movement supported by the military junta in Greece, which based its entire legitimacy on sticking it to the Turks, especially in Cyprus. So yeah. Arguably biased, definitely an inadequate source.
@@JMObyx forced relocation, persecution of turks beforehand nationalist groups in the south forcing their way of life on them. It is defined as wthnic cleansing and cultural genocide by the un
@@Percin there are many books and articles for you to read and educate yourself to come to your own conclusions. Cyprus is divided for many reasons and those reasons can't really be explained in a single youtube comment. I guess a some points that could aid the video are: - the people that fought for independence/enosis in 1960 also caused the coup (EOKA A and EOKA B, they are essentially the same thing) -the USA (specifically CIA) had involvement in the coup as well as Greece/UK -the Greek/Turkish Cypriot label stems from British colonialism (divide and conquer) and still divide the island to this day. The correct terms should be Greek-speaking and Turkish-speaking) -enosis was a popular idea for some time and even socialist parties like AKEL (the only one lol) supported it, but they eventually realised that it did not represent what the island's population needed -Constitution was also not written by the people. It was written by Britain, Greece and Turkey. There are many other points and angles that I still have missed. I'm a Cypriot socialist so you may receive a different lense on the matter from someone else.
When Britain took over the island the Greeks expected it was a pathway to enosis and the Turks expected Britain would keep to it's agreement with the Ottomans. So neither got what they wanted.
@@chemicalman53 actually Britain "helped" liberate Greece in the 19th century with the main goal of "Preserving Ottoman territorial integrity". By letting the Turks invade(under CIA/USA pressure) they got to let Cyprus go without respecting the will of the majority. Turkey got exactly what they wanted: a foothold in an island that they have no business in.
@@IHaveAHobby turkey will never be accepted into EU as long as EU parliament determines the number of chairs/PMs a country has directly based on its population. And tbh as long as they deliver on their promise of visa free travel, I couldn't care less about joining the EU
@@miraclemaker1418 If they didn't allow members with territorial issues in, then neither France nor the UK, nor Germany would become members. It's more of a rule in itself than an exemption from a rule at this point.
"As with many badly drawn borders, it starts with the British!" - Jay Foremantzu, the Art of Geography. Maybe they didn't draw it this time, but they still played a role. Fun fact: The flag of the Republic of Cyprus was designed by a Turkish Cypriot painter. The flag has no blue or red not to resemble flags of Greece or Turkey and the two olive branches symbolize the hope for the two communities to live together in harmony Something you left out: the UN's Annan Plan. This plan was a big reason why Cyprus was able to join the EU, it's been in the making since the late 90s. If Cyprus wanted to join, it needed to allow the referendums as a condition. The EU and UN hoped that with the accession of the south part of the island that the northern part would want to join them as one unitary island state joining the EU. But fun fact, no. Greeks didn't support this plan because it heavily favored Turkey, like allowing the Turkish military to remain and not returning Greek Cypriot homes given to Turks
Fun fact: Cyprus was also "kind-of" divided between the Greeks and Muslims for 300 years in the Middle Ages in an agreement between the Roman Emperor and the Arabs. The island was ruled jointly by both the Romans and the Arabs and the taxes were divided equally between them and, while there was constant warfare between the two parties in the mainland, the agreement on Cyprus remained mostly consistent and respected by both parties except for a few exceptions.
if it was divided so long even then, then greek nationalists being so sore about having the whole island today is ONE HUNDRED PERCENT unjustified. if anything it just helps the argument against greece being present in cyprus at all considering how aggressive we are being. I call to recognize the North and respect all Muslims 💝
@HelleneOdalisque thats because the arabs didnt live there originally meanwhile Cypriot greeks are the oldest continues inhabitants of the island 🤦♂️
@@HelleneOdalisque you better not be hating on Israel then in the war because they did exactly the same as the Turks did and the Arabs did here. Invaded a country that didn’t belong to them for a pretty good reason. And then stayed there completely unjustified.
Fun fact: until 1914, Cyprus (as well as Egypt and Sudan) were all de jure Ottoman territory, even though they were all de facto British possessions. This was a state of affairs that legally ended in 1914 on the outbreak of World War One, when, partly because the Ottoman Empire had just joined the Central Powers, Britain went 'sod it' and just outright annexed them all.
This was also true of Bosnia 1878-1908, even though it was de facto Austrian, and the same for Eastern Rumelia from 1885 (today's South Bulgaria), even though the governor general of the province 'happened' to be the same person as the Prince of Bulgaria. In addition, Bulgaria itself (from 1878 to 1908), Romania (1859-1878), Serbia (1817-1878), Samos (1832-1912), Crete (1898-1912) and at various points the Romanian predecessor principalities of Moldavia and Wallachia, as well as Montenegro (all from the middle ages) were all tributary principalities to the Ottoman Sultan, despite being at various points practically independent.
@@lhistorienchipoteur9968 right, but my point is, they were all legally Ottoman until August 1914, when the legal fiction of them being Ottoman territory was ended.
From the classic British comedy 'Yes Minister': "We should have partitioned it, like we did with India and Ireland and Cyprus and Palestine" "But didn't partition always lead to civil war? It did with India and Ireland and Cyprus and Palestine" "Yes, but it kept them from fighting *us* "
honestly i cant think of a partition that didnt lead to a civil war at one point or another except for Germany's, and here the cold war tensions of NATO vs Warsaw pact were primarily focused and people were keen for Germany to remain disarmed for a bit due to that whole thing in 1939. Its much harder to fight a civil war with sticks than it is with guns.
@@Amlaeuxrai There's a few clean breakups (Czechoslovakia, for one) but even peaceful ones often happen in a wider context of war before/after (Finland, Montenegro, Saarland)
@@Amlaeuxrai Iirc there's this part of papua new guinea that's going to break off in 7 years and the government didn't oppose it. I guess it's the British influence that caused the civil wars, not the breakup itself.
as a turk i went to northern cyprus a few times, i loved it, if the two sides finally have peace and the crisis gets resolved unification might be pretty nice
@@untitledzy I don't think unification will provide a solution, like Palestine and Israel. A dual state is a good solution. All that remains is for the hatred to end. But I always see intense hatred in Greece. The reason for this is that their education system portrays the Turks in a bad light. That's why the hatred of the Greeks is constantly increasing while the Turks are improving. Greece should change the non-objective narratives in its education system.
@@Xbsjsbkxntheres only turkish propaganda , turkey says mavi vatan , what mavi vatan ? Aegean sea is a Greek sea. Turkey is the invasor must go from Cyprus
Cyprus hasn't peacefully reunified because they've yet to elect James Bissonette for the Republic of Cyprus leadership and Kelly Moneymaker for Northern Cyprus leadership to show the way. Here's some more Cypriot history, the earliest confirmed site of human activity on Cyprus is Aetokremnos, situated on the south coast, indicating that hunter-gatherers were active on the island from around 10,000 BC. Remains of an 8-month-old cat were discovered buried with a human body at a Neolithic site in Cyprus, with a grave estimated to be 9,500 years old (7500 BC), predating ancient Egyptian civilization and pushing back the earliest known feline-human association significantly!
Once again suggesting as a topic: Why did Montenegro, despite being a member of the Entente, lose sovereignty and become annexed into Yugoslavia after WWI?
I can tell you that Montenegro was ruled by the Serbian dynasty of Petrovic, which even before 1878. or 1918. wanted to unite together with Serbia, u ask why? Simple, same people, same religion, common enemies fought and same history. It was not an annexation, Serbs in Montenegro voted for unification with Kingdom of Serbia, just as Vojvodina (today Northern province of Serbia) wanted to unite with the Kingdom of Serbia. There was no annexation, people voted for unification with Kingdom of Serbia. In the upcoming months, to be exact in 1.12.1918. The Kingdom of Serbs, Croats and Slovenians was formed, later called Kingdom of Yugoslavia. Hope it helped!
@Imperalist Serbia was being based and Montenegro wanted that spicy money from the west I guess, but and the only thing Serbia was getting from the west was condemnation from genocide and falling bombs.
As an American...we've cause a few ourselves too, I'm ashamed to say. Several of them were because our leaders were incredibly foolish enough to trust Stalin (see Korea) and others due to very shortsighted or selfish interventions (Spanish-American War, Afghanistan, Libya, etc.). A combination of stupidity, recklessness and greed by a number of our officials.
The UN division zone should become its own independent country with James Bisonette as Grand Lord. In fact, he should become Grand Lord of the entire UN!
It's been years since I first came across this channel. And it has been done countless number of times. But I can't tell you how much it still cracks me up when you do the "But Fun Fact: (pause 1 beat) No" line. I can't explain it, I just can't help it. Each time I hear it, I start to laugh about it. I don't know if it is the timing, the fact that this is such a political thing to do, or the simple fact that it shows just how much things still remain the same when talking about history and conflicts. Whatever it is, PLEASE keep up the good work and the occasional irrelevant humor tossed into any serious issue. I can't tell you how much that "moment of laughter" actually drives the point home even deeper. It is also a good concept for possible merchandise someday as well.
Man, I just recently found your channel and I'm so happy. So many times I'll find a RUclips video about some historical event and the creator tries too hard to be funny. I love that you just the facts out there without a bunch of BS.
In one of my political science courses, one of the book we had to read was learning about the situation in Cyprus. What was really surprising was that interviews from various factions like the Greek and Turkish Cypriots stated that people got along with one another but it was really the outside forces and the government itself that really continues to drive the division. I think it would be beneficial if one day the entire island was able to unite and become it's own independent nation without Britain also trying to force concession in regards to its military bases.
The greeks and turks both genocided each others populations from their countries. Id you think this has nothing to do with greek and turkish ethnicities you are delusional
“teamed up with the turkish cypriots” is a massive oversimplification (obviously you have to oversimplify a lot cus you’re tryna make the video 3 mins but i just wanna explain a bit more in depth), turkish cypriots were generally in a much worse position economically, and the british took advantage of that by hiring turkish cypriots as police officers, and these police officers were sent to crack down on enosis protests which inadvertently lead to the bicommunal conflicts
There was also the Turkish paramilitary organisation Volcan that the British never declared as a terrorist group unlike the Greek EOKA. So while not directly they did the tried and true divide and reign
@@Joesolo13 Well staying idly by in your military base when a Hitler style ethnic cleansing campaign is going on probably should have been noticed by the world. But it was the 1960s and 70s so news didn't travel as fast, especially not out of a place as remote as Cyprus. If that happened today there would be outrage on a massive scale.
@@williamdavis9562 yes i totally agree with you. The world would have been united arround turks so they wouldnt be killed by enosis supporters from 50s to 70s. btw, the un-united state of today is not due to the turkish side but the south cyprus side, since they were the ones who didnt accept annan’s reunited referandum, even though the north voted yes to it with 80%.
@@emrahyalcin I'm not sure if the world would be "united" around the Turks but certainly there would have been a lot of outrage considering the mass scale of Greek Cypriot crimes. I also believe the people of the North to be quite short sided in voting yes in the 2004 referendum. I don't think they realize the level of irrational hatred the people of the south have for them. Who is to say 50 years down the line the ethnic cleansing attempts won't start again. If I'm in the north, I want a huge line between me and the people of the south who want me dead with a ton of troops inbetween.
@@williamdavis9562 calm down , hitler style ethnic cleansing is reaching quite a bit. They tried to displace them so they would have nowhere to go but back to Turkey. It wasn't really an organized attempt to make sure they all died out as a race.
The fact that Cyprus is on their flag, made putting their flag on Cyprus kinda confusing to look at. Wasn't sure if there was another territory or not. Very interesting video though! Would love to see a similar one on Moldova / Transnistria as that might become very relevant soon.
This is a very informative and unbiased video on this situation. I knew about the division but didn't know that most countries were actually sympathetic to Turks at the beginning. With that being said, I can't imagine what the comment section is gonna look like a day from now.
Yes, because there was a dictatorship at that moment in Greece which actually gave a valid reason to Turkey to invade. But then Turkey decided to take it even further and only to promote Turkey's interests, forgetting about the interests of the Turkish Cypriots completely.
@@TomorrowWeLive Yes you can when you have agreements to physically guarantee the agreements. Not to mention it's a hard thing not to do when a majority across the lake is going full blown Hitler on a small minority group and you're watching from across the lake.
@@TomorrowWeLive Turkey, Greece and UK had the rights to conduct military operation in Cyprus if things gone south according to the treaty of Guaranteé. When Greece supported EOKA tried to wipe out Turkish Cypriots and conducted massacares on them, Turkey used it's right and landed on the island. Also calling this an "Invasion" is just most stupid thing ever. Turkey only took parts where the Turkish Cypriots lived and that is the Northern part of the country.
A very important fact that you should've given is that in a referendum about unification a majority of the turkish cypriots voted yes, however the greek cypriots voted no claiming that it disproportionately favoured the Turkish side.
An honest account of more recent events: Annan plan (2004) would unite the island and mostly end the presence of Turkey in Cyprus. Despite this, both Turkish Cypiorts and Turkish government agreed to the plan with the hope becoming a part of the EU. However, Greek Cypriots refused the plan, since it foresaw proportional representation of Turks and Greeks in the Cyprus Goverment. Greek Cypriot nationalists considered that they could force even a better deal and they refused to accept proper representation of Turkish Cyriots. Actually, we should blame the EU. EU has a rule - not allowing the membership of states with border disputes. However they broke this rule, and accepted accession of Southern Cyprus just before the voting for Annan plan. Normally, Greek Cypriots would have gladly accepted the plan, since it was a fair deal. However, South becoming an EU member, while North remaining under sanctions by the whole world, meaned that South would gain advantage and leverage. So Greek Cypriots refused becoming "equals" with Turkish Cypriots. Only if the EU had waited one year before accession of Southern Cyprus, the Island would be united today.
My grans youngest brother (who had previously lost 2 siblings and her husband) died in action during this conflict. That side of the family also lived in the North and had to evacuate down South.
That goes both ways unfortunately. My grandfather and his family were from Larnaca in the south and they had to move North and eventually to Turkey in the early days of the conflict.
Your grandma’s brother was one unlucky fella to be one of the 174 (30 if he was killed in the first 10 days) Greek Cypriot that died because of the conflict
I spent 9 months working in Cyprus and have heard this story from a few people on either side. Good job in keeping this neutral as it’s a difficult topic to cover. Cyprus is an amazingly beautiful island and they have managed to build a long-standing peace now as a republic. Also Nicosia being the only divided capital in Europe has come up on 2 quizzes I’ve been at in the past 🤣
@Leon Brooks People love to get into how complex the problem there is, when you really look into it, it isn't complex at all. You have a majority group on a small island who tried to ethnically cleanse a minority group. The minority group's big brother showed up. Now the island is divided.
@@williamdavis9562 Still an oversimplification. The majority's big brother got involved first, under an unpopular military junta. Plus, the British spiked ethnic hatred between the groups during the revolt for independence.
Leon Brooks, to tell the truth Cyprus is not Europe. It's Middle East. And all developments of intercommunal violence show that. But Cyprus is a part of Europe politically, especially after it joined the EU.
@@Fuad_Haciyev57 That's the foolish man's politics. Intercommunal violence does not simply make one Middle Eastern or European. Culturally, ethnically the Greek part of Cyprus is pretty much the same with mainland Greece. If you don't consider Greece Middle Eastern, you shouldn't consider the Republic of Cyprus as such. I wouldn't know about the Turkish part, but it stands to reason the same goes for it and Turkey.
@@CDexie That's all well and good but in the end it isn't that complex a matter. The why is complex but what happened isn't. You can get into why the majority tried to slaughter the minority but that is an entirely different debate.
I've been watching your videos for well over a year now, and I don't know why but the name 'spinning three plates' always makes me smile. Don't know why, just wanted to let them know. ❤️
As a Cypriot I can totally tell you that this is a very objective video. My grandad who also was a part of the war back in 1974 always tells us stories and how it used to be when the country was a colony of England and he always says that, it was the best time of his life both financially and systematically and he always says that England took good care of the island back then. In addition to that, as a cypriot young man, i can clearly tell you that all of us, the young generation wants peace and reunification because this island can be described as heaven… The beaches, the weather, the food, the people ( i mean the original Cypriots of course:)).. everything has so much potential yet we still live seperately.. That’s a shame.. For all my cypriot people doesnt matter if you are Turkish cypriot or greek cypriot.. We are just Cypriots with no other label, and i love you all my people.
You are just a "Turkish" guy who happened to be born there. If there wasn't a Turkish government, you were going to end up being a Cypriot. And being born there doesn't give you some privileges or some kind of advantages such as "let's unite, we all Cypriot". No, you are not, and you won't ever be.
@@bomontius my guy just said as a Cypriot he loves everything about both sides, the country, vibes, food and wants nothing but peace which as a Turkish Cypriot I also agree with and you came here and said a bunch of waffle attacking his opinion whilst making no sense? fix up big man
Seni kabul etmiyorlar hor görüyorlar Türk askeri orada olmasa yine ilk fırsatta sizi bir kaşık suda boğacaklar Türksünüz diye, halen barış dalı uzatıyor Yunan benim kardeşim birleşelim masalları anlatıyorsunuz. Cidden tuhafsınız. Sizi sevmeyen ve nefret duyan bir millete bu kadar yamanmak irite edici ve aşırı cringe. Birleşme hayalleri kuruyor bir de he yavrum he Yunan alicak seni bağrına basacak.
Cyprus is a country that has intrigued me for a long time, always wanted to go there! Its a country so rich in history that I just have to go and check it out!
Sicily and crete are very rich in history as well, and they also have great beaches and architecture. Haven't personally been in crete but was planning to
I’ve been to Cyprus 12 times. It is my favourite place. Great weather, scenery, food and a rich history! Definitely find the time to go there at some point!
@@thiccupcake while I have been to Italy I have not been to Sicily, or Crete but they are definitely on the list! The Mediterranean is full of just jewels of the world!
@AAron Carlos, if you're not European looking be careful going to the south side of that island. Things can get quite dicey for someone they don't consider European in the south part of Cyprus.
@@cobiepal cause you dont have to be unbiased when talking about history; you should show the fact but you can definitely pick sides, turkey is in the wrong, their initial invasion was okay by the terms of the treaty but their second invasion and continued occupation arent nothing more than imperialism
@tompoessy You could very well say that for the Greeks too. The thing that made all this start was because the greek overtook the Turkish side of the government and didn’t obey the agreed terms of their contract. They disturbed the peace in the island just because they got greedy and didn’t see the Turkish deserving of representation in the government. There were no major issues between two sides before that so I could very well argue that the invasion is justified since it was the Greek who broke it first. The Northern part already had Turkish majority anyway. Turkey had to step in since 25% of the Turkish population had to dislocate due to the attack that also was started by Greeks. What do you have to say about that? All the conflicts are initiated by the Greek but the Turkish is at fault somehow? How laughable
there were a military coup in turkey in 1980 supported by the western countries, if you look into the turkish history the past 100 years, every time Turkey does a move, that benefits itself, there happens a coup, every 10 or 20 years... the last try was in 2015 and it was the first time that a coup in Turkey failed...
@aaaa this is kinda interesting, didnt expect to hear that to be honest, as people in greece here often refer to you as turks. how would you want this conflict to end, if i may ask and on whose side are you on
@@philippa.4554 As a turk my opinion about it:Cyprus is enough away from both greece and turkey to make their own culture.These people have had this bullshit for too long.The bond of the island with both Turkey and Greece is cannot be denied.Thus lets make it a unarmed island that got a council of cyprus turks and greeks for decision makings.Make it open to both turkey turks and greece greeks as its now but make it so it is hard to get guns in there(as you can guess cutting supply of all weapons from the civilians is important because there will be always some people that try to "get their island" by force.)If they are succesful with it, this can open up new ways for greeks and turks to get along and even possibly open both counties to a partnership to that can make them get along each other and be a strong force in mediterranean sea.
@@ChaseTheCrim I agree with you 100%. And the Co Existence of Turks and Greeks on Cyprus is the first step to good relations between the two countries. Ngl turkey and greece would make the best duo fr fr
@@ChaseTheCrim the fact that Turks live in Cyprus don't mean they have any authority over the land . Turks in Cyprus are a minority just like every other but with slightly more history as turkey always liked to attack minorities. Cyprus belongs to its people and none other
@@eliwhite5548 “way more money”, lol... that’s actually false. The north is still quite developed and touristy too. It’s the only place in the Turkish speaking world where gambling is legal and theres large luxury hotel/casinos. It’s also known as the more beautiful part of the island with the better seasides.
Actually Enosis was thought of as very plausible when the British got Cyprus in 1878 Just as the British had done with the Ionian islands just 14 years prior in 1864, which were annexed into Greece The British offered Cyprus to Greece to join WWI and later on Greece asked for Cyprus to join Greece, obviously neither happened
yes greece not joining WWI is often considered as the biggest mistake greece ever did as the government of Venizelos was very pro war as it was necessary for greece to persist its war on its balkan wars enemies like turkey and bulgaria, not to mention venizelos himself had personal experience in expanding greece and fighting Turks when he made Crete join greece, so he knew well it was the only natural and most logical course of action. Unfortunately the greek king was very anti war or the very least hesitant as he was very pro german based on family origins and the preservations of peace. This led to a huge political split between parliament and king relations that lasted all the way to the 1930's and what also started the anti-monarchy movement in greece as well. I personally always was pro monarachy and always believed greece should have its king however, the way King Paul behaved at the time was criminally incompetent and inexcusable, and with hindsight the result was the death of millions of greeks in asia minor whom in an alternate history, had greece participated from the start, might have had the opportunity to protect the lives of all pontic greeks or others still living under turkish rule. It is very unfortunate indeed how the king blocked the greek independence effort as it was a fight that still needed to continue only from the fact that there were still millions of greeks not having their freedom, and often greeks see the monarchy as the author of greece's eventual destiny of losing a huge part of its population, land, culture and heritage and being reduced to a minor power of just 10 million people, while allowing turkish culture replace greeks within turkey and allowing turkish population quadriple in just a century.
@@Iason29 🤣🤣 you’re so funny, you act like greece didn’t fight at all but after ww1 greece still attacked turkey and tried to take Istanbul and Izmir but Atatürk kicked your asses back to where you belong! you’re lucky that you still have crete and many small islands of the coast. Stop whining.
Cyprus gives me OCD problems just by looking at it. It's one little island, the flag of Cyprus has that very island in it, yet the nation doesn't own everything in that land. I'd always imagine Cyprus as just a whole ilsand without its borders.
that's mostly talked only by turks you did many massacres too only you talk about that one like greeks do the same you are no different and you are not innocent
HAAHAHAHAHA brilliant - I love the 'just kidding' or 'fun fact' - hilarious - hahaha the Turkish guy with the black eye!!! Brilliant stuff... please keep it going...
Turkey and Turkish Cypriots supported reunification at 2004. You may want to mention also Annan Plan (also called Cyprus reunification plan) and referendum made in 2004. which Turkish Cypriots voted for reunification with %65 and Greek Cypriots only voted %24.
@@egemenbags5465 they are way richer than Turkish Cypriots so they were not very keen to share wealth and power, the status quo being more to their advantage. Also, the plan called for the restitution of Turkish occupied Varosha (a formerly 100% Greek city which was the most glamorous beach resort of the country) and there was lobbying from the now popular beach resort cities which didn't want the competition.
@@egemenbags5465 as whole world supports them, they think that one day we will say "okay, we are fed up with this problem, you can get whole cyprus and realize your enosis dreams..."
They counter-invaded Cambodia and got invaded by China, losing the paracell islands (the same ones from BF4) Internally, you had a kinda tame totalitarian communist regime, where poverty and corruption were out the charts, crimes happened and police didnt do nothing, you couldnt bad mouth the government blah blah blah (basically, all dictatoships of the cold war) Today it is commie Thailand
Love your work, as always! I always wondered about this question: How come the medieval duchy of Saxony was located in northwestern Germany, yet the early-modern kingdom of Saxony was located in eastern germany, next to Bohemia. What's the deal with that? I'd love to see square people explain it to me
Basically, from what I understood, one of the descendant line of the ducal house that ruled over the duchy of Saxony kept a little bit of land around the city of Wittenberg after the duchy was dismanteled by the emperor. Then, the duchy of Saxe-Wittenberg expainded in the south-east, becoming the principality of Saxony later retitled "kingdom" after the end of the empire.
"Ooooh nooooo" was the reaction I had. And I must say, it is an appropriate reaction. Come forth my fellow Cypriots, whether you be Greek, Turk, Maronite, or Armenian. Let us watch the comment section set itself ablaze.
Regardless of any political situation and historical conflict Cyprus is an amazing island with amazing Greeks and Turks you should definitely visit this island. No matter how politicians try to divide and conquer, Turks and Greeks have so much in common maybe the only countries that could both fight and live in brotherhood at the same time lol.
Proper means justifying the Turkish invasion and the displacement of 250.000Greek Cypriots? Who are still today REFUSED to return to their homes or even visit them, as Turkish settlers from mainland Turkey now occupy them? And also the creation of a fake state that no one recognises? You are so funny!
After WW1, it was proposed to E. Venizelos, then prime minister of Greece, to unify the island with the rest of Greece. He denied, wanting to put more pressures on the Allies to give him the Asia Minor coast. Finally we got nothing, and in these two regions, the two most dramatic destructions of Greek nation took place due to horrific political and military handlings.
Greece refused to enter the war the first time, When Greece entered and won the war with the allies , they requested from Britain to give them the Island of Cyprus , which the British replied “ too late “ the offer was for that particular point in time … at least this is what i remember from my history class ..
@@tigerwest4748 I know Greece could’ve had Cyprus from as early as 1919, peacefully too. This would’ve been major for Greece, as Cyprus was 80% Greek and it is a big island with strategic geography.
A very unbiased take on the situation. Unfortunately, the vast majority of Cypriots of any origin that can't go home mostly live outside of the island (predominantly in the UK) which makes a solution highly unlikely, meaning people like my Dad will probably never get to go home, all on account of 'politics'.
@Andreas S, The split is probably permanent. The people who lost homes in the south will never be able to go back and the people in the south who lost homes in the north will never be able to go back. In human history this is what generally happens after a war is fought and borders change. Nearly every nation on earth has had to deal with this.
@@williamdavis9562 Actually TRNC government and Turkish government allowed Greek Cypriots to return back to their homes and allowed to participate in democratic affairs. Also TRNC government contacted with the property owners in Maraş to return their possessions when the city fully re-opened. It is the Southern Cyprus who only attacks Turks, even to this day if you cross into South as a Turk with your Car, they will damage it or blow it's tires.
@@mr.tobacco1708 well, they are an occupying minority population who started open hostilities...so... its a shit situation, reunification and harmonious integration would be far better than a tiny island split in 2
@@mr.tobacco1708 Last time my dad (Greek) went to the "TRNC",Turkish cops started harassing him...that didn't stop until he went back to the Greek side.
The flag won't change just because Turkey decided to invade and illegaly occupy the north. The country of Cyprus is officially considered to be the whole island like it has been. The north isn't recognized by anyone as a seperate state.
@@dimitrispvoice133 Still doesn't change the fact the flag is ironic. The government who represents the flag don't have control over the territories which is on the flag. Hence the irony. That island is never getting reunited btw, something to get used to.
an all out war back then would have been a greek victory since turkey population wasn't large back then and most of their troops were stationed in kurdistan giving greece a clear advantage in the west although very unlikely since the greek government back then was an american puppet and since america needed turkey for the cold war a war between them was out of the question
@@latinbrotherhood495 a greco turkish war isnt gonna happen anytime soon. Two countries will co exist in a passive aggressive way for hundreds of years. Nobody can gain anything from a conflict. And the two countries need each other to be on the same side more than the general public realizes. Sure both sides will feed their population with historical grudge but on a political level it ain't gonna happen.
Furthermore, Cyprus is banned to join any country or economic union according to its constitution. However EU have them inside which is a blatant violation of international law.
@@jodii.6 Treaty of Guarantee 1960 signed by UK, Greece and Turkiye Article 1: The Republic of Cyprus undertakes to ensure the maintanance of independence, territorial integrity and security, as well as respect for its constitution. It undertakes NOT to participate, in whole or in part, in any POLITICAL or ECONOMIC UNION with any state whatsoever.
@@mathwgames5484 the thing is, Cyprus is economically independent from Greece, whereas its northern counterpart is directly influenced politically, economically and militarily Turkey. Let me remind you that the treaty was also signed before its invasion, so who's actually violating the treaty? About the EU, it's merely an alliance than an actual union between nations. Cyprus may have closer ties with Greece, sure, but for the most part aren't integrated inside of it, hence why it has its own economy, bank, ministers and companies outside of Greece itself. Whereas, north Cyprus is economically, politically and (to some extent, although not fully) militarily dependent on Turkey, considering they're also the only country that recognises both their regime and nation, the rest of the 192 client states of the world don't. As for the article VI of the treaty, it should've been activated by the time turkey had sent troops inside Cypriot land, may it had been north or South, a consulate should've been summoned for the 3 nations (Greece, Turkey and England) to discuss Cyprus' (hopefully) peaceful solutions, but unfortunately it was both violated and ignored considering the isolation between the 2 States next to eachother. So who's actually in the wrong here?
@@jodii.6 First, being in EU means that you are in an economic and political union with other states. No one discuss that even EU itself. Second, you are acting like, Turkish troops came island while Cyprus was free and independent. Nope. The founding agreements already violated by EOKA by a coup detat. Turkish intervention was to EOKA state, not to Cypriot state. TRNC is not Cyprus. Its an independent state, not bounded by founding agreements of Cyprus so it can host a foreign military. Third, you acted like there was another solution to this conflict without sending troops. What do you expect when a country needs to use its guarantorship power? Singing songs? Everyone see who is the wrong side, dont worry.
An accurate, objective and unbiased telling of the Cyprus events? That's a rare sight. This is why I love this channel.
A countryball channel has such an unbiased video about this?
This is actually pretty easy to find if you’re not Turkish or Greek, since no one else cares and isn’t looking for biased sources.
as a Cypriot, can confirm that is very unbiased video, really loved it
@@mrniceguy7168 I mean I do care about people being displaced and a county being still basically at war and divided
@@mrniceguy7168 No, most Turkish sources only focus on the Greek atrocities(which granted, they were barbaric look up Bloody Christmas) and most foreign sources only portray the Turks as "barbaric occupiers".
"Entering British Territory, previously known as your country"
This channel's sense of humour is golden
Absolutely. They were too busy being POOR!
Cant relate they never colonized or took over Sweden
The world is just our living space for holidays, you should all know this by now
@@CuriousCookie636 Yeah But the pesky brits never colonized us
@@Real_gandalfit's better, they would have been capable of making an "Overseas territory" near or bordering your country.
What i love about this channel is that he is just telling the story without trying to defend the actions of someone. Or misses out important facts to support one side.
He misses out greek war crimes lol
@@bojarckhoosemanschnarf5851 Like what?
@@bojarckhoosemanschnarf5851 He brought up Turks were subject to violence. The reason he probably didn't go into more detail is to not be demonitized. This is the same reason why Hitler in his more recent videos looks less like Hitler compared to his earlier videos.
If you have the slightest clue of the events in Cyprus at the time you'd know that "subject to violence" is a pretty substantial understatement of the facts. And also it does feel to me as if the writers went too far in being "balanced" that they not only underplayed massacres of Turkish Cypriots but justified them by making them out to be British collaborators (???). I'm not even going to mention the genocidal EOKA movement supported by the military junta in Greece, which based its entire legitimacy on sticking it to the Turks, especially in Cyprus. So yeah. Arguably biased, definitely an inadequate source.
@@JMObyx forced relocation, persecution of turks beforehand nationalist groups in the south forcing their way of life on them. It is defined as wthnic cleansing and cultural genocide by the un
I love the unbiased, to the point and concise explanations here. Thanks!
it wasn't bro unfortunately. you cant summarise something like this in 4.5 minutes.
@@sink9963 Then please do a better summary and share with the world.
@@Percin there are many books and articles for you to read and educate yourself to come to your own conclusions. Cyprus is divided for many reasons and those reasons can't really be explained in a single youtube comment.
I guess a some points that could aid the video are:
- the people that fought for independence/enosis in 1960 also caused the coup (EOKA A and EOKA B, they are essentially the same thing)
-the USA (specifically CIA) had involvement in the coup as well as Greece/UK
-the Greek/Turkish Cypriot label stems from British colonialism (divide and conquer) and still divide the island to this day. The correct terms should be Greek-speaking and Turkish-speaking)
-enosis was a popular idea for some time and even socialist parties like AKEL (the only one lol) supported it, but they eventually realised that it did not represent what the island's population needed
-Constitution was also not written by the people. It was written by Britain, Greece and Turkey.
There are many other points and angles that I still have missed. I'm a Cypriot socialist so you may receive a different lense on the matter from someone else.
How would you know it’s unbiased?
yo mama told me @@Wakamolewonder
"They were busy being poor" while happily frolicking in Recession.
I love the kind of humor this channel has
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@@Apaep12 2:13
@@ThePikminCaptain ty
And a third reason; Any losses from both Turkish and Greek side were a clear win for them.
"They were too busy being poor"
Not everyone can have James Bisonette.
Or Kelly Moneymaker
@@bozoforce Or David Archeologist
@@Memesgoo1 They should just be called "The History Matters Patreon Cabal". The Rothschilds got nothing on them.
James, can you help Ukraine?
Or Phil de Oink Oink
I knew about Cyprus and it being divided but knowing the full story is quite useful thanks for the content.
Oh really what uses are you getting out of this?
@@xoxoRS97 you’re fun at parties
@@xoxoRS97 Now they can answer the question if someone asks them about this exact topic. Duh!
@@xoxoRS97 I came to ask that exact question but now I get to Shame you for being a jerk mwahaha
@@xoxoRS97 you probably don't know what a woman is
Mankind trying not to divide an random island to 3
我承认北塞浦路斯是一个政权
Europeans trying not to divide the smallest of islands into 2 (Saint Martin and like a gazillion others)
@@BlazingFlame69塞浦路斯，他也没有打算统一，加入欧盟的时候，北塞浦路斯根本就不会得到任何欧盟的优待
@@BlackHeart-B53 Can you kindly speak English because the google translation for East Asian languages are horrendous
@@BlazingFlame69I mean after Cyprus joins the EU, Northern Cyprus will not enjoy internal preferential treatment
When Britain took over the island the Greeks expected it was a pathway to enosis and the Turks expected Britain would keep to it's agreement with the Ottomans. So neither got what they wanted.
Sometimes that’s the best way
Only britain did
Britain not upholding it's previous agreements? Well, rattle me surprised.
Neither Turkey nor Greece got what they wanted.
This is exactly what Britain wanted.
@@chemicalman53 actually Britain "helped" liberate Greece in the 19th century with the main goal of "Preserving Ottoman territorial integrity". By letting the Turks invade(under CIA/USA pressure) they got to let Cyprus go without respecting the will of the majority. Turkey got exactly what they wanted: a foothold in an island that they have no business in.
As a Turkish Cypriot it is unbelivably rare to see an objective documentary about our situation.
He skipped Bloody noel 1963 and guarantorship agreements.
True, but I would argue even this objective video makes Turkey look far worse than Greece in this conflict?
@@mathwgames5484 the videos are meant to be short so understandable. He just talk about main events
@Aloe Vera he is a joke
@@mathwgames5484you're a joke. history matters is amazing.
I find it insane that Cyprus was allowed into the EU without the division being resolved. Or probably that was exactly why they were allowed to join.
EU played favorites with Cyprus for sure bending its own rules of not accepting members with territorial issues
@@IHaveAHobby So they'll probably never join then (I'm neutral in this argument)
@@IHaveAHobby turkey will never be accepted into EU as long as EU parliament determines the number of chairs/PMs a country has directly based on its population. And tbh as long as they deliver on their promise of visa free travel, I couldn't care less about joining the EU
"The Annan Plan"
@@miraclemaker1418 If they didn't allow members with territorial issues in, then neither France nor the UK, nor Germany would become members. It's more of a rule in itself than an exemption from a rule at this point.
"As with many badly drawn borders, it starts with the British!" - Jay Foremantzu, the Art of Geography. Maybe they didn't draw it this time, but they still played a role. Fun fact: The flag of the Republic of Cyprus was designed by a Turkish Cypriot painter. The flag has no blue or red not to resemble flags of Greece or Turkey and the two olive branches symbolize the hope for the two communities to live together in harmony
Something you left out: the UN's Annan Plan. This plan was a big reason why Cyprus was able to join the EU, it's been in the making since the late 90s. If Cyprus wanted to join, it needed to allow the referendums as a condition. The EU and UN hoped that with the accession of the south part of the island that the northern part would want to join them as one unitary island state joining the EU. But fun fact, no. Greeks didn't support this plan because it heavily favored Turkey, like allowing the Turkish military to remain and not returning Greek Cypriot homes given to Turks
想多了，欧盟绝对不允许一个穆斯林国家加入！
@@剑心符文 ???
@@剑心符文fun fact both Albania and vardaska are muslim countries. Yet they don't enter the EU for different reasons that their religion
50 percent of all world borders were made by the british
@@FIRE-zt6vw There arent any buddhist countries in the eu either.
Could you look at the Yugoslav collapse? It’s quite interesting and complicated event.
Edit: It appears I’ve caused war.
That would need a classic ten minute episode!
that needs at least a return to 10 minutes history format. for 89 times.
That wouldnt be short animated history or history in 10 minutes it would be flipin history in 1 hour
@@cheguevara7478 i thought your dad was Irish
That would be a bit too long for a history matters video.
Divided countries and British involvement, now THAT is an iconic duo.
Kash eheemmm mir.
There's an old Asian proverb: "if two fishes are fighting in their own pond, an Englishman passed by".
What a nice way to wash an invasion from Turkey!, Putting the blame only to British.
@@oenrn Thought that was Ottoman proverb.
@@oenrn huh, i thought it was a native american proverb
“You agreed, No backsies.”
I love the comedy on this channel
I came here to make this comment but I see there is no need. A man of culture you are good sir 👏
Also pause the video and read the newspaper; always funny :)
He didn't say that in this video, did he? I just rewatched it twice and didn't see it or hear it.
The comedy of this channel always slaps
@@williamespeset1837 It's on one of the signs of the British base
Fun fact: Cyprus was also "kind-of" divided between the Greeks and Muslims for 300 years in the Middle Ages in an agreement between the Roman Emperor and the Arabs. The island was ruled jointly by both the Romans and the Arabs and the taxes were divided equally between them and, while there was constant warfare between the two parties in the mainland, the agreement on Cyprus remained mostly consistent and respected by both parties except for a few exceptions.
if it was divided so long even then, then greek nationalists being so sore about having the whole island today is ONE HUNDRED PERCENT unjustified. if anything it just helps the argument against greece being present in cyprus at all considering how aggressive we are being. I call to recognize the North and respect all Muslims 💝
@HelleneOdalisque thats because the arabs didnt live there originally meanwhile Cypriot greeks are the oldest continues inhabitants of the island 🤦♂️
That division was with Arabs though, not Turks. Turks weren't even Muslim back then
Literally the colony of the balkans holy shit
@@HelleneOdalisque you better not be hating on Israel then in the war because they did exactly the same as the Turks did and the Arabs did here. Invaded a country that didn’t belong to them for a pretty good reason. And then stayed there completely unjustified.
Fun fact: until 1914, Cyprus (as well as Egypt and Sudan) were all de jure Ottoman territory, even though they were all de facto British possessions.
This was a state of affairs that legally ended in 1914 on the outbreak of World War One, when, partly because the Ottoman Empire had just joined the Central Powers, Britain went 'sod it' and just outright annexed them all.
This was also true of Bosnia 1878-1908, even though it was de facto Austrian, and the same for Eastern Rumelia from 1885 (today's South Bulgaria), even though the governor general of the province 'happened' to be the same person as the Prince of Bulgaria.
In addition, Bulgaria itself (from 1878 to 1908), Romania (1859-1878), Serbia (1817-1878), Samos (1832-1912), Crete (1898-1912) and at various points the Romanian predecessor principalities of Moldavia and Wallachia, as well as Montenegro (all from the middle ages) were all tributary principalities to the Ottoman Sultan, despite being at various points practically independent.
They didn't "annexed" them. They weren't part of the UK. They were posessions of Britain.
@@lhistorienchipoteur9968 right, but my point is, they were all legally Ottoman until August 1914, when the legal fiction of them being Ottoman territory was ended.
@@lhistorienchipoteur9968 way to show you missed his point
@@kasadam85 no i didn't. I just like to nitpick on the correct words to use.
From the classic British comedy 'Yes Minister':
"We should have partitioned it, like we did with India and Ireland and Cyprus and Palestine"
"But didn't partition always lead to civil war? It did with India and Ireland and Cyprus and Palestine"
"Yes, but it kept them from fighting *us* "
honestly i cant think of a partition that didnt lead to a civil war at one point or another except for Germany's, and here the cold war tensions of NATO vs Warsaw pact were primarily focused and people were keen for Germany to remain disarmed for a bit due to that whole thing in 1939. Its much harder to fight a civil war with sticks than it is with guns.
@@Amlaeuxrai There's a few clean breakups (Czechoslovakia, for one) but even peaceful ones often happen in a wider context of war before/after (Finland, Montenegro, Saarland)
What better way would you partition it to get all parties to equally agree with one another?
@@Amlaeuxrai Iirc there's this part of papua new guinea that's going to break off in 7 years and the government didn't oppose it. I guess it's the British influence that caused the civil wars, not the breakup itself.
Once you stat meddling in the internal squabbles of other nations, you're on a very slippery slope.
Imagine having a good economical, social and political situation in your country but then you hear
"Fun fact, no"
As a Greek Cypriot I am surprised not to hear his own opinion well done and also I love Turkey and northern Cyprus
I studied in Famagusta, 5 years. Lovely island, you live in beautiful country.
as a turk i went to northern cyprus a few times, i loved it, if the two sides finally have peace and the crisis gets resolved unification might be pretty nice
@@untitledzy I don't think unification will provide a solution, like Palestine and Israel. A dual state is a good solution. All that remains is for the hatred to end. But I always see intense hatred in Greece. The reason for this is that their education system portrays the Turks in a bad light. That's why the hatred of the Greeks is constantly increasing while the Turks are improving. Greece should change the non-objective narratives in its education system.
Lil bro tried to obtain the glorious blue comment💙🙏🙅♂️🙅♂️
@@Xbsjsbkxntheres only turkish propaganda , turkey says mavi vatan , what mavi vatan ? Aegean sea is a Greek sea. Turkey is the invasor must go from Cyprus
Fun fact: While no other nation has recognised Northern Cyprus, many nations have consulates from them.
So like Taiwan?
yeah, that’s how non RoC citizens living in the occupied side can get visas for other countries
But are they consulates that run under the Vienna Convention of Consular services? I'd imagine they are not.
puppet state
@@krspaceT1 yes we like taiwan
2:39 ‘laughable, were it not for all the dying’. That’s honestly hilarious, keep it up
That bit was fantastic, especially for a throwaway newspaper bit that’s only on screen for a second
Thank you for posting consistently. Your videos really make my life better.
Cyprus hasn't peacefully reunified because they've yet to elect James Bissonette for the Republic of Cyprus leadership and Kelly Moneymaker for Northern Cyprus leadership to show the way. Here's some more Cypriot history, the earliest confirmed site of human activity on Cyprus is Aetokremnos, situated on the south coast, indicating that hunter-gatherers were active on the island from around 10,000 BC. Remains of an 8-month-old cat were discovered buried with a human body at a Neolithic site in Cyprus, with a grave estimated to be 9,500 years old (7500 BC), predating ancient Egyptian civilization and pushing back the earliest known feline-human association significantly!
Once again suggesting as a topic: Why did Montenegro, despite being a member of the Entente, lose sovereignty and become annexed into Yugoslavia after WWI?
I can tell you that Montenegro was ruled by the Serbian dynasty of Petrovic, which even before 1878. or 1918. wanted to unite together with Serbia, u ask why? Simple, same people, same religion, common enemies fought and same history. It was not an annexation, Serbs in Montenegro voted for unification with Kingdom of Serbia, just as Vojvodina (today Northern province of Serbia) wanted to unite with the Kingdom of Serbia. There was no annexation, people voted for unification with Kingdom of Serbia. In the upcoming months, to be exact in 1.12.1918. The Kingdom of Serbs, Croats and Slovenians was formed, later called Kingdom of Yugoslavia.
Hope it helped!
@@36Feanor yep
@Imperalist I would like to see this video as well. But I can say, it was really more a political thing rather then vox populi.
@Imperalist Serbia was being based and Montenegro wanted that spicy money from the west I guess, but and the only thing Serbia was getting from the west was condemnation from genocide and falling bombs.
@Imperalist Serbia hasn't been precisely a cool guy since 1990.
Take a shot each time you learn that Britain was involved in a historical problem.
No. I like living.
As an American...we've cause a few ourselves too, I'm ashamed to say. Several of them were because our leaders were incredibly foolish enough to trust Stalin (see Korea) and others due to very shortsighted or selfish interventions (Spanish-American War, Afghanistan, Libya, etc.). A combination of stupidity, recklessness and greed by a number of our officials.
😂😂😂
Turks are not even native to Cyprus. That's not a problem caused by Britain.
@@tristan3801 Humans aren't native to anywhere but East Africa.
I learn something I didn’t realize I had no clue about every single time you upload. Keep up your sacred work.
There's a funny saying-"If you see too fish fighting in a pond, know for certain that the pond was a former British Colony"
The UN division zone should become its own independent country with James Bisonette as Grand Lord.
In fact, he should become Grand Lord of the entire UN!
TRUE
And maybe then the UN can prevent a genocide or stop a civil war!
How do you know that isn't the case already?
That oink oink bloke should be 2nd in command as he's supported the channel for years
Haha guys he said James Bisonette haha hilarious amiright gamers
2:45 All History Matters scenes are gold but this is platinum.
*HOw*
0:59 Your sense of humour is inpeccible as always!
That was a really objective, brief yet sufficiently detailed video. Also animations are great. Greetings from Türkiye 🇹🇷
It's been years since I first came across this channel. And it has been done countless number of times.
But I can't tell you how much it still cracks me up when you do the "But Fun Fact: (pause 1 beat) No" line. I can't explain it, I just can't help it. Each time I hear it, I start to laugh about it. I don't know if it is the timing, the fact that this is such a political thing to do, or the simple fact that it shows just how much things still remain the same when talking about history and conflicts.
Whatever it is, PLEASE keep up the good work and the occasional irrelevant humor tossed into any serious issue. I can't tell you how much that "moment of laughter" actually drives the point home even deeper. It is also a good concept for possible merchandise someday as well.
It's a joke that can apply in essentially every scenario which makes it a very effective recurring gag
Probably because it's a British guy saying it, and we know how the witty dry British humor is
The segway "[reasonable solution...] Just kidding [throws oil to the fire]" is really good too.
Man, I just recently found your channel and I'm so happy. So many times I'll find a RUclips video about some historical event and the creator tries too hard to be funny. I love that you just the facts out there without a bunch of BS.
And yet he still manages to include decent humor
Ironic, considering this channel is by far the funniest history one I've seen on RUclips.
James Bisonette could easily reunite Cyprus
I completely agree
🤣🤣
I think to bribe the Turkish goverment to give up northern Cyprus you also need Kelly Moneymaker's money
Another realm and colony to the Bisonette Empite
indeed
In one of my political science courses, one of the book we had to read was learning about the situation in Cyprus. What was really surprising was that interviews from various factions like the Greek and Turkish Cypriots stated that people got along with one another but it was really the outside forces and the government itself that really continues to drive the division. I think it would be beneficial if one day the entire island was able to unite and become it's own independent nation without Britain also trying to force concession in regards to its military bases.
The greeks and turks both genocided each others populations from their countries. Id you think this has nothing to do with greek and turkish ethnicities you are delusional
even the terms Greek and Turkish Cypriots are remnants from colonialist times. We are Cypriots and it's a shame that things are how they are today.
@@freneticness6927thank you that reply bro i agree. a lot of people on this video got the wrong idea
“teamed up with the turkish cypriots” is a massive oversimplification (obviously you have to oversimplify a lot cus you’re tryna make the video 3 mins but i just wanna explain a bit more in depth), turkish cypriots were generally in a much worse position economically, and the british took advantage of that by hiring turkish cypriots as police officers, and these police officers were sent to crack down on enosis protests which inadvertently lead to the bicommunal conflicts
There was also the Turkish paramilitary organisation Volcan that the British never declared as a terrorist group unlike the Greek EOKA. So while not directly they did the tried and true divide and reign
@@Nic5Cyprus i’ve never heard of volcan.. do you mean TMT?
@@Nic5Cyprus thats how worlds wheels turn
@@Nic5Cyprus As a Turkish, What is Volcan organization?
@@bengu3987 The predecessor of TMT, directed partially by the British
It's kind of wild that the British have quietly managed to stay there all this time while everybody else is condemning the Turks for not leaving.
Small bases vs nearly half the island and active colonization efforts.
Bit like why the US's Guantanamo bay is largely forgotten about.
@@Joesolo13 Well staying idly by in your military base when a Hitler style ethnic cleansing campaign is going on probably should have been noticed by the world.
But it was the 1960s and 70s so news didn't travel as fast, especially not out of a place as remote as Cyprus. If that happened today there would be outrage on a massive scale.
@@williamdavis9562 yes i totally agree with you. The world would have been united arround turks so they wouldnt be killed by enosis supporters from 50s to 70s. btw, the un-united state of today is not due to the turkish side but the south cyprus side, since they were the ones who didnt accept annan’s reunited referandum, even though the north voted yes to it with 80%.
@@emrahyalcin I'm not sure if the world would be "united" around the Turks but certainly there would have been a lot of outrage considering the mass scale of Greek Cypriot crimes.
I also believe the people of the North to be quite short sided in voting yes in the 2004 referendum. I don't think they realize the level of irrational hatred the people of the south have for them.
Who is to say 50 years down the line the ethnic cleansing attempts won't start again. If I'm in the north, I want a huge line between me and the people of the south who want me dead with a ton of troops inbetween.
@@williamdavis9562 calm down , hitler style ethnic cleansing is reaching quite a bit. They tried to displace them so they would have nowhere to go but back to Turkey. It wasn't really an organized attempt to make sure they all died out as a race.
The fact that Cyprus is on their flag, made putting their flag on Cyprus kinda confusing to look at. Wasn't sure if there was another territory or not. Very interesting video though! Would love to see a similar one on Moldova / Transnistria as that might become very relevant soon.
Your comparison is terrible. Cyprus is a huge cemetery, not some lines in a map.
I like to think they did it so that decades later bored kids on Geography Guesser would have an easy hint.
@@ΒασίλειοςΜαυρομμάτης-π2ψ wHaT?
fun fact: current cypriot flag was designed by a turkish cypriot
@@FairPlay0007 greek or turkish, Cypriot is the main description.
Love this channel, keep it up!
This is a very informative and unbiased video on this situation. I knew about the division but didn't know that most countries were actually sympathetic to Turks at the beginning. With that being said, I can't imagine what the comment section is gonna look like a day from now.
Yes, because there was a dictatorship at that moment in Greece which actually gave a valid reason to Turkey to invade. But then Turkey decided to take it even further and only to promote Turkey's interests, forgetting about the interests of the Turkish Cypriots completely.
@@leykimayri how is that a valid reason to invade? So any country can invade another country and do regime change if they declare it a dictatorship?
@@TomorrowWeLive Apparently to USA yes, that's a valid reason.
@@TomorrowWeLive Yes you can when you have agreements to physically guarantee the agreements.
Not to mention it's a hard thing not to do when a majority across the lake is going full blown Hitler on a small minority group and you're watching from across the lake.
@@TomorrowWeLive Turkey, Greece and UK had the rights to conduct military operation in Cyprus if things gone south according to the treaty of Guaranteé.
When Greece supported EOKA tried to wipe out Turkish Cypriots and conducted massacares on them, Turkey used it's right and landed on the island.
Also calling this an "Invasion" is just most stupid thing ever. Turkey only took parts where the Turkish Cypriots lived and that is the Northern part of the country.
A very important fact that you should've given is that in a referendum about unification a majority of the turkish cypriots voted yes, however the greek cypriots voted no claiming that it disproportionately favoured the Turkish side.
Which it did
as a turkish cypriot it massively favoured Turkey, and if i was of voting age in 2004 i would’ve voted against it
@@VladTevez Which i'm not denying
@@bengu3987 yoo ne alaka
@@bengu3987 adaya türkiyeden göçmenler geldi mazeretiyle hayır dediler zaten
I knew essentially nothing about this beyond that the island was divided. Really interesting. Thanks.
An honest account of more recent events: Annan plan (2004) would unite the island and mostly end the presence of Turkey in Cyprus. Despite this, both Turkish Cypiorts and Turkish government agreed to the plan with the hope becoming a part of the EU.
However, Greek Cypriots refused the plan, since it foresaw proportional representation of Turks and Greeks in the Cyprus Goverment. Greek Cypriot nationalists considered that they could force even a better deal and they refused to accept proper representation of Turkish Cyriots.
Actually, we should blame the EU. EU has a rule - not allowing the membership of states with border disputes. However they broke this rule, and accepted accession of Southern Cyprus just before the voting for Annan plan.
Normally, Greek Cypriots would have gladly accepted the plan, since it was a fair deal. However, South becoming an EU member, while North remaining under sanctions by the whole world, meaned that South would gain advantage and leverage. So Greek Cypriots refused becoming "equals" with Turkish Cypriots.
Only if the EU had waited one year before accession of Southern Cyprus, the Island would be united today.
My grans youngest brother (who had previously lost 2 siblings and her husband) died in action during this conflict. That side of the family also lived in the North and had to evacuate down South.
That goes both ways unfortunately. My grandfather and his family were from Larnaca in the south and they had to move North and eventually to Turkey in the early days of the conflict.
were you able to keep their guns which they were using as memory?
Your grandma’s brother was one unlucky fella to be one of the 174 (30 if he was killed in the first 10 days) Greek Cypriot that died because of the conflict
I spent 9 months working in Cyprus and have heard this story from a few people on either side. Good job in keeping this neutral as it’s a difficult topic to cover. Cyprus is an amazingly beautiful island and they have managed to build a long-standing peace now as a republic. Also Nicosia being the only divided capital in Europe has come up on 2 quizzes I’ve been at in the past 🤣
@Leon Brooks People love to get into how complex the problem there is, when you really look into it, it isn't complex at all.
You have a majority group on a small island who tried to ethnically cleanse a minority group. The minority group's big brother showed up. Now the island is divided.
@@williamdavis9562 Still an oversimplification. The majority's big brother got involved first, under an unpopular military junta.
Plus, the British spiked ethnic hatred between the groups during the revolt for independence.
Leon Brooks, to tell the truth Cyprus is not Europe. It's Middle East. And all developments of intercommunal violence show that. But Cyprus is a part of Europe politically, especially after it joined the EU.
@@Fuad_Haciyev57 That's the foolish man's politics. Intercommunal violence does not simply make one Middle Eastern or European. Culturally, ethnically the Greek part of Cyprus is pretty much the same with mainland Greece. If you don't consider Greece Middle Eastern, you shouldn't consider the Republic of Cyprus as such.
I wouldn't know about the Turkish part, but it stands to reason the same goes for it and Turkey.
@@CDexie That's all well and good but in the end it isn't that complex a matter.
The why is complex but what happened isn't. You can get into why the majority tried to slaughter the minority but that is an entirely different debate.
I've been watching your videos for well over a year now, and I don't know why but the name 'spinning three plates' always makes me smile. Don't know why, just wanted to let them know. ❤️
Can we appreciate how the maps on this channel include the little possessions and border abnormalities that others often miss?
Very well explained and the humour is priceless. 🙂
I love most of the jokes in this video, the British territory, being poor, democracy, and iconic duo were my favorites
As a Cypriot I can totally tell you that this is a very objective video. My grandad who also was a part of the war back in 1974 always tells us stories and how it used to be when the country was a colony of England and he always says that, it was the best time of his life both financially and systematically and he always says that England took good care of the island back then. In addition to that, as a cypriot young man, i can clearly tell you that all of us, the young generation wants peace and reunification because this island can be described as heaven… The beaches, the weather, the food, the people ( i mean the original Cypriots of course:)).. everything has so much potential yet we still live seperately.. That’s a shame.. For all my cypriot people doesnt matter if you are Turkish cypriot or greek cypriot.. We are just Cypriots with no other label, and i love you all my people.
You are just a "Turkish" guy who happened to be born there. If there wasn't a Turkish government, you were going to end up being a Cypriot. And being born there doesn't give you some privileges or some kind of advantages such as "let's unite, we all Cypriot". No, you are not, and you won't ever be.
@@bomontius my guy just said as a Cypriot he loves everything about both sides, the country, vibes, food and wants nothing but peace which as a Turkish Cypriot I also agree with and you came here and said a bunch of waffle attacking his opinion whilst making no sense? fix up big man
Seni kabul etmiyorlar hor görüyorlar Türk askeri orada olmasa yine ilk fırsatta sizi bir kaşık suda boğacaklar Türksünüz diye, halen barış dalı uzatıyor Yunan benim kardeşim birleşelim masalları anlatıyorsunuz. Cidden tuhafsınız. Sizi sevmeyen ve nefret duyan bir millete bu kadar yamanmak irite edici ve aşırı cringe. Birleşme hayalleri kuruyor bir de he yavrum he Yunan alicak seni bağrına basacak.
@@bomontius i recommend you go and see a psychiatrist and get your psychological problems fixed bro.
Aynen kanka hamile karina tecavuz edilince türkiye diye ağlamayın sonra
Thanks for the objective and impartial insight into the situation, cheers.
I love your channel keep up the great stuff
I have been teaching the History of the Middle East for 20 years, this was a very clear explanation. Well done.
Also don’t forget when that man on fire, a psychic child, black armor soldiers, and fire whale attack that British hospital in the 80s.
Very interesting Admiral Thrawn
*the man who sold the world plays*
Cyprus is a country that has intrigued me for a long time, always wanted to go there! Its a country so rich in history that I just have to go and check it out!
Sicily and crete are very rich in history as well, and they also have great beaches and architecture. Haven't personally been in crete but was planning to
I’ve been to Cyprus 12 times. It is my favourite place. Great weather, scenery, food and a rich history! Definitely find the time to go there at some point!
@@olising8843 As a cypriot I have to say most Cypriots especially in the outskirts of town are not that good
@@thiccupcake while I have been to Italy I have not been to Sicily, or Crete but they are definitely on the list! The Mediterranean is full of just jewels of the world!
@AAron Carlos, if you're not European looking be careful going to the south side of that island. Things can get quite dicey for someone they don't consider European in the south part of Cyprus.
Could you please add subtitles on videos. Speech flows very quick and as a foreigner i couldn get what is being said. Nice video btw, thx.
For once an unbiased documentary of the situation in Cyprus. Well done!
@@cobiepal Fake
@@cobiepal cause you dont have to be unbiased when talking about history; you should show the fact but you can definitely pick sides, turkey is in the wrong, their initial invasion was okay by the terms of the treaty but their second invasion and continued occupation arent nothing more than imperialism
@tompoessy You could very well say that for the Greeks too. The thing that made all this start was because the greek overtook the Turkish side of the government and didn’t obey the agreed terms of their contract. They disturbed the peace in the island just because they got greedy and didn’t see the Turkish deserving of representation in the government. There were no major issues between two sides before that so I could very well argue that the invasion is justified since it was the Greek who broke it first. The Northern part already had Turkish majority anyway. Turkey had to step in since 25% of the Turkish population had to dislocate due to the attack that also was started by Greeks. What do you have to say about that? All the conflicts are initiated by the Greek but the Turkish is at fault somehow? How laughable
Sometimes the best part of History Matters is reading the newspapers. He puts so much thought into them. 2:38 is amazing
I love how the United States’ reaction to Turkey invading Cyprus is just “Bruh”
Well it was more than that. They embargoed Turkey for a while.
@@Ess1g4c1z for a while🙂
Us didnt want crypsus taken by commy greeks. Thats why they looked against it from outside while patting them back behind the closed doors :)
@Rapstick long time tbh
there were a military coup in turkey in 1980 supported by the western countries, if you look into the turkish history the past 100 years, every time Turkey does a move, that benefits itself, there happens a coup, every 10 or 20 years... the last try was in 2015 and it was the first time that a coup in Turkey failed...
0:10 this frame is funny cause there is a map of Cyprus on the flag of Cyprus which is on the map of Cyprus
It's a rare sight to see an event concerning Turks be covered unbiasedly. Thanks.
@aaaa this is kinda interesting, didnt expect to hear that to be honest, as people in greece here often refer to you as turks. how would you want this conflict to end, if i may ask and on whose side are you on
Turks trying to respect ONU resolutions for 5 seconds:
@@philippa.4554 As a turk my opinion about it:Cyprus is enough away from both greece and turkey to make their own culture.These people have had this bullshit for too long.The bond of the island with both Turkey and Greece is cannot be denied.Thus lets make it a unarmed island that got a council of cyprus turks and greeks for decision makings.Make it open to both turkey turks and greece greeks as its now but make it so it is hard to get guns in there(as you can guess cutting supply of all weapons from the civilians is important because there will be always some people that try to "get their island" by force.)If they are succesful with it, this can open up new ways for greeks and turks to get along and even possibly open both counties to a partnership to that can make them get along each other and be a strong force in mediterranean sea.
@@ChaseTheCrim I agree with you 100%. And the Co Existence of Turks and Greeks on Cyprus is the first step to good relations between the two countries.
Ngl turkey and greece would make the best duo fr fr
@@ChaseTheCrim the fact that Turks live in Cyprus don't mean they have any authority over the land . Turks in Cyprus are a minority just like every other but with slightly more history as turkey always liked to attack minorities. Cyprus belongs to its people and none other
when we needed him most he came back
Last video: 9 days ago
@@durchfaII oh damn I didn't see the one about Corsica I thought the 'what happened to the kings in Germany was the last one'
Thanks
@@durchfaII we always want him though
On a side note, I love how Lough Neagh in the middle of Northern Ireland makes it look like Ireland had its own West Berlin.
As a Cypriot it's very rare to see a video about my country and its history bc not many countries know about us.
I went to Cyprus 🇨🇾 in 2017 and I loved every minute of it. The people were also so nice and friendly. 🙂
I don't want to be that guy but, which part of Cyprus 😂?
Which one XD
you probably aren't turkish then (or greek if we're talking about the other half lol)
@@acetalk5598 the south has way more money and is a tourist destination, so I'm fairly certain he went to the south
@@eliwhite5548 “way more money”, lol... that’s actually false. The north is still quite developed and touristy too. It’s the only place in the Turkish speaking world where gambling is legal and theres large luxury hotel/casinos. It’s also known as the more beautiful part of the island with the better seasides.
Finally, someone is explaining this situation without a biased opinion.
I love Cyprus.I traveled there many times ,even planning on moving there
Hi, do you know what is the requirements to settle there?
@@melisasani880 you will need a visa.Hmmmmm what else
@@melisasani880 A permit residence and citizenship
An excellent meme heavy episode with a number of classic s, "shut up","get out" and "you're welcome" are peak history matters
James Bisonette could single handily make everyone recognise Turkish Cyprus.
Yes. His aims are beyond our understanding.
With his funds, Turkish Cyprus World Conquest is near guaranteed
no lol
@@kiriakos.17 wdym no
Recognising Turkish Cyprus is like recognizing crimea and the Donbass to.
I love being 12 and watching this channel
Same
1:11 what is that flag ?
Iraq Republic
I remember the events that divided Cyprus. I listened to the BBC, Turkey and Greece on my shortwave radio as the events of 1974 unfolded
Actually Enosis was thought of as very plausible when the British got Cyprus in 1878
Just as the British had done with the Ionian islands just 14 years prior in 1864, which were annexed into Greece
The British offered Cyprus to Greece to join WWI and later on Greece asked for Cyprus to join Greece, obviously neither happened
yes greece not joining WWI is often considered as the biggest mistake greece ever did as the government of Venizelos was very pro war as it was necessary for greece to persist its war on its balkan wars enemies like turkey and bulgaria, not to mention venizelos himself had personal experience in expanding greece and fighting Turks when he made Crete join greece, so he knew well it was the only natural and most logical course of action. Unfortunately the greek king was very anti war or the very least hesitant as he was very pro german based on family origins and the preservations of peace. This led to a huge political split between parliament and king relations that lasted all the way to the 1930's and what also started the anti-monarchy movement in greece as well. I personally always was pro monarachy and always believed greece should have its king however, the way King Paul behaved at the time was criminally incompetent and inexcusable, and with hindsight the result was the death of millions of greeks in asia minor whom in an alternate history, had greece participated from the start, might have had the opportunity to protect the lives of all pontic greeks or others still living under turkish rule. It is very unfortunate indeed how the king blocked the greek independence effort as it was a fight that still needed to continue only from the fact that there were still millions of greeks not having their freedom, and often greeks see the monarchy as the author of greece's eventual destiny of losing a huge part of its population, land, culture and heritage and being reduced to a minor power of just 10 million people, while allowing turkish culture replace greeks within turkey and allowing turkish population quadriple in just a century.
@@Iason29 με λίγα λόγια, οι Έλληνες έκαναν μάγκες τους Τούρκους.
@@Iason29 🤣🤣 you’re so funny, you act like greece didn’t fight at all but after ww1 greece still attacked turkey and tried to take Istanbul and Izmir but Atatürk kicked your asses back to where you belong! you’re lucky that you still have crete and many small islands of the coast. Stop whining.
@@Iason29 It is a fun fact that British King, Russian Tsar, German Emperor and Greek King were cousins at that time.
Cyprus gives me OCD problems just by looking at it. It's one little island, the flag of Cyprus has that very island in it, yet the nation doesn't own everything in that land. I'd always imagine Cyprus as just a whole ilsand without its borders.
Ah yes… Countries and being divided…
Such an iconic duo
It’s kinda weird that you didn’t mention “Bloody Christmas of 1963”
that's mostly talked only by turks you did many massacres too only you talk about that one like greeks do the same you are no different and you are not innocent
W*sterners man. Dont need to explain
Shall i bring up the Armenian genocide?
@@latinbrotherhood495 the greeks attacked first, and we did the right thing. Like the Arm*nian one.
@★ xQc🐍 I don’t even give damn fuck about that
Only James Bissionette can unite Cyprus under his rule.
Well, he better get cracking then
With the assistance of Kelly Moneymaker
According to local lore, James Bisonette's massive balls once landed on Cyprus, dividing the country in two
HAAHAHAHAHA brilliant - I love the 'just kidding' or 'fun fact' - hilarious - hahaha the Turkish guy with the black eye!!! Brilliant stuff... please keep it going...
RECESSION!! 🥳 2:13
Yay
Don't forget Czechoslovakia. It was whole once until the end of the Cold War
Many Americans I meet still think Czechoslovakia is one country, even people born a decade after the gentle divorce. It's honestly pathetic
@@smrtfasizmu7242 Do they think Roman Empire still exist? Oh, they've never heard of one.
I HAVE NEVER CLICKED ON A VIDEO SO FAST OH MY GOD HISTORY MATTERS IS DOING A VIDEO ON MY COUNTRY
Same
Are you from TRNC?
@@tk5gqj514 what is TRNC
Bu yozlasmiş bati özentisi minik yaratik Kuzey Kıbrıslı bir Türkiye düşmanıdır. Başka videolar altinda iğrenç yorumlarini görebilirsiniz.
@@odysseasbruh7016 Turkish Republic of Northen Cyprus
Your truth just made me subscribe
Turkey and Turkish Cypriots supported reunification at 2004. You may want to mention also Annan Plan (also called Cyprus reunification plan) and referendum made in 2004. which Turkish Cypriots voted for reunification with %65 and Greek Cypriots only voted %24.
Why greek cypriots didn’t want it ?
@@egemenbags5465 the conditions of the plan were not beneficial to the greek Cypriots at all
@@egemenbags5465 they are way richer than Turkish Cypriots so they were not very keen to share wealth and power, the status quo being more to their advantage. Also, the plan called for the restitution of Turkish occupied Varosha (a formerly 100% Greek city which was the most glamorous beach resort of the country) and there was lobbying from the now popular beach resort cities which didn't want the competition.
@@Zeitunah
The ghost resort of Varosha is one of the creepiest places in the world.
Chernobyl minus the radiation.
@@egemenbags5465 as whole world supports them, they think that one day we will say "okay, we are fed up with this problem, you can get whole cyprus and realize your enosis dreams..."
“What was Vietnam like after the Vietnam War?” Come on.
Thats very İnteresting
I would suggest the book "Where The Orange Blooms" by Thomas Taylor.
They counter-invaded Cambodia and got invaded by China, losing the paracell islands (the same ones from BF4)
Internally, you had a kinda tame totalitarian communist regime, where poverty and corruption were out the charts, crimes happened and police didnt do nothing, you couldnt bad mouth the government blah blah blah (basically, all dictatoships of the cold war)
Today it is commie Thailand
Love your work, as always!
I always wondered about this question: How come the medieval duchy of Saxony was located in northwestern Germany, yet the early-modern kingdom of Saxony was located in eastern germany, next to Bohemia. What's the deal with that?
I'd love to see square people explain it to me
Basically, from what I understood, one of the descendant line of the ducal house that ruled over the duchy of Saxony kept a little bit of land around the city of Wittenberg after the duchy was dismanteled by the emperor.
Then, the duchy of Saxe-Wittenberg expainded in the south-east, becoming the principality of Saxony later retitled "kingdom" after the end of the empire.
Saxons was divided up into - separate Saxonys!
Amazing video
"Ooooh nooooo" was the reaction I had.
And I must say, it is an appropriate reaction.
Come forth my fellow Cypriots, whether you be Greek, Turk, Maronite, or Armenian. Let us watch the comment section set itself ablaze.
Yo can a Pakistani join in on the action?
@@oneevidence5153 Ayo me too, I am also Pakistani.
And there is some other guy commenting: "Could you look at the Yugoslav collapse? " just in case the comment section survive this fire.
@@oneevidence5153 Can one join as a Bangladeshi? Us, Pakistan and Turkey recognised Northern Cyprus :)
It is like a team deathmatch down in the comments. Lemme get my popcorn
Regardless of any political situation and historical conflict Cyprus is an amazing island with amazing Greeks and Turks you should definitely visit this island. No matter how politicians try to divide and conquer, Turks and Greeks have so much in common maybe the only countries that could both fight and live in brotherhood at the same time lol.
It's a shame that automatic is predominant in the rental cars. Would've liked to see what it's like to shift with the left hand.
@ozzygozzy3765 please don't call us Greeks and Turks. we are Cypriots and much more than just that.
@@sink9963But you're greeks and turks at the end of the point.!
@@ElTurko66 not really
@@ElTurko66
I guess he wanted to hear something like "we are greeks and turkified greeks"
Finally a proper, unbiased explanation of the situation
I wasn't looking for an explanation in the first place but YES, FINALLY!
Proper means justifying the Turkish invasion and the displacement of 250.000Greek Cypriots? Who are still today REFUSED to return to their homes or even visit them, as Turkish settlers from mainland Turkey now occupy them?
And also the creation of a fake state that no one recognises?
You are so funny!
@@giavk3607 not also greek cypriots, but also turkish cypriots were displaced. remember Bloody Christmas
@@giavk3607 Shouldn’t have tried to unify through a coup and massacre the Turkish Cypriots then.
@@giavk3607
People like you are biased and you are the problem
Absolutely love it!
After WW1, it was proposed to E. Venizelos, then prime minister of Greece, to unify the island with the rest of Greece. He denied, wanting to put more pressures on the Allies to give him the Asia Minor coast. Finally we got nothing, and in these two regions, the two most dramatic destructions of Greek nation took place due to horrific political and military handlings.
Such a shame
wasn’t it the (German) king who denied?? Since he didn’t want his country to join the war against Germans?
@@olbiomoiros I think so. Shows you how stupid monarchy is.
Greece refused to enter the war the first time, When Greece entered and won the war with the allies , they requested from Britain to give them the Island of Cyprus , which the British replied “ too late “ the offer was for that particular point in time … at least this is what i remember from my history class ..
@@tigerwest4748 I know Greece could’ve had Cyprus from as early as 1919, peacefully too. This would’ve been major for Greece, as Cyprus was 80% Greek and it is a big island with strategic geography.
A very unbiased take on the situation. Unfortunately, the vast majority of Cypriots of any origin that can't go home mostly live outside of the island (predominantly in the UK) which makes a solution highly unlikely, meaning people like my Dad will probably never get to go home, all on account of 'politics'.
@Andreas S, The split is probably permanent. The people who lost homes in the south will never be able to go back and the people in the south who lost homes in the north will never be able to go back.
In human history this is what generally happens after a war is fought and borders change. Nearly every nation on earth has had to deal with this.
@@williamdavis9562 Actually TRNC government and Turkish government allowed Greek Cypriots to return back to their homes and allowed to participate in democratic affairs.
Also TRNC government contacted with the property owners in Maraş to return their possessions when the city fully re-opened.
It is the Southern Cyprus who only attacks Turks, even to this day if you cross into South as a Turk with your Car, they will damage it or blow it's tires.
@@mr.tobacco1708 well, they are an occupying minority population who started open hostilities...so... its a shit situation, reunification and harmonious integration would be far better than a tiny island split in 2
@@SirZanZa tell that to EOKA supporters. If Greeks calmed the fuck down it would not mess this badly
@@mr.tobacco1708 Last time my dad (Greek) went to the "TRNC",Turkish cops started harassing him...that didn't stop until he went back to the Greek side.
Cyprus is disputed territory between James bissonette and Kelly moneymaker on whether who actually owns the island with their wallets
I disagree what about boogly wooglie
Wait until the Phil de Oink Oink guy overthrows them both with the assistance of Booglie Wooglie
I paused the video at the end before I moved on. Then I realized I hadn't heard him say 'James Bissonnette,' and I had to start it up again.
Cyprus' flag has to be the most ironic state flag in existence
The flag won't change just because Turkey decided to invade and illegaly occupy the north. The country of Cyprus is officially considered to be the whole island like it has been. The north isn't recognized by anyone as a seperate state.
@@dimitrispvoice133 Still doesn't change the fact the flag is ironic.
The government who represents the flag don't have control over the territories which is on the flag. Hence the irony.
That island is never getting reunited btw, something to get used to.
@@williamdavis9562 Cyprus's second flag is the Greek flag,do you prefer that?
@@moderndemon84 I don't live there so I don't prefer anything.
I'm just saying the current flag is extremely ironic.
@williamdavis9562 you cant predict the future like a shady wizard in a tent using a glass ball
Makes me wonder what a 1974 Greco-Turkish War would’ve been like, how NATO would handle it, etc
This is how they handled it. They divided the lands like they did with Korea and Vietnam
an all out war back then would have been a greek victory since turkey population wasn't large back then and most of their troops were stationed in kurdistan giving greece a clear advantage in the west although very unlikely since the greek government back then was an american puppet and since america needed turkey for the cold war a war between them was out of the question
@Rapstick Plus USA saw Turkey as strategically more important than Greece
@@Evemeister12 closest boarders to soviets and all that
@@latinbrotherhood495 a greco turkish war isnt gonna happen anytime soon. Two countries will co exist in a passive aggressive way for hundreds of years. Nobody can gain anything from a conflict. And the two countries need each other to be on the same side more than the general public realizes. Sure both sides will feed their population with historical grudge but on a political level it ain't gonna happen.
Furthermore, Cyprus is banned to join any country or economic union according to its constitution. However EU have them inside which is a blatant violation of international law.
It was banned from joining any specific nation, sure. But who said it wasn't able to join an economic zone? Is there a law for it?
@@jodii.6 Treaty of Guarantee 1960 signed by UK, Greece and Turkiye
Article 1: The Republic of Cyprus undertakes to ensure the maintanance of independence, territorial integrity and security, as well as respect for its constitution.
It undertakes NOT to participate, in whole or in part, in any POLITICAL or ECONOMIC UNION with any state whatsoever.
@@mathwgames5484 the thing is, Cyprus is economically independent from Greece, whereas its northern counterpart is directly influenced politically, economically and militarily Turkey. Let me remind you that the treaty was also signed before its invasion, so who's actually violating the treaty?
About the EU, it's merely an alliance than an actual union between nations. Cyprus may have closer ties with Greece, sure, but for the most part aren't integrated inside of it, hence why it has its own economy, bank, ministers and companies outside of Greece itself. Whereas, north Cyprus is economically, politically and (to some extent, although not fully) militarily dependent on Turkey, considering they're also the only country that recognises both their regime and nation, the rest of the 192 client states of the world don't.
As for the article VI of the treaty, it should've been activated by the time turkey had sent troops inside Cypriot land, may it had been north or South, a consulate should've been summoned for the 3 nations (Greece, Turkey and England) to discuss Cyprus' (hopefully) peaceful solutions, but unfortunately it was both violated and ignored considering the isolation between the 2 States next to eachother. So who's actually in the wrong here?
@@jodii.6 First, being in EU means that you are in an economic and political union with other states. No one discuss that even EU itself.
Second, you are acting like, Turkish troops came island while Cyprus was free and independent. Nope. The founding agreements already violated by EOKA by a coup detat. Turkish intervention was to EOKA state, not to Cypriot state. TRNC is not Cyprus. Its an independent state, not bounded by founding agreements of Cyprus so it can host a foreign military.
Third, you acted like there was another solution to this conflict without sending troops. What do you expect when a country needs to use its guarantorship power? Singing songs?
Everyone see who is the wrong side, dont worry.
@@mathwgames5484 huge W
Thanks for the objective explanation 👏
I’ve been to Cyprus a month ago. It was the first time for me seeing such a divide in a country.
Hi from a Cypriot.
@@LunaticGuns im just curious dont blame me but which side ?