@@KapiteinKrentebol When the war started the European bankers and economists thought that it couldn't possibly last very long because it was bad for trade and countries couldn't afford to keep such vast armies in the field, and indeed the major belligerents did go broke before too long, if it wasn't for US loans a much earlier armistice would've had to be made. It was because of the prospect of the Entente losing that forced the US to intervene to secure their loans, but the first wold war not only cost monarchies their thrones but cost countries their fortunes and particularly Britain and France their empires. Nobody won, it was a disaster.
@@kimok4716 don't forget ww2 industry . It was like Usa: so japan you sank my 30 ship? Japan : yes USA: no worries I made 300 more to replace it . Japan: shit!! USA: Also eat the sun x 2
That's why I've always been a fan of the phrase "The shot that killed 20 million" to describe Gavrillo Princip's murder of Franz Ferdinand, it really sums up that sheer death toll of a few people's actions.
I don’t know if you are from Ukraine or not (it’s just that now a lot of people put the Ukrainian flag on their avatar), but they do the same with Ukrainian Transcarpathia. They one of the reason why we love Hungarian, and they support Russia. So Hungary suck 🇺🇦👎🇭🇺
50% of the reason why I watch videos from this channel is of course to further gain geographic and historical knowledge but the other 50% is because of the animation. The animation in almost all of the videos available on this channel are so funny, always gets me lmao!
Sopron, the city was majority hungarian, german speakers were one of many minorities. The countryside was more german. The austrians wanted the city too.
@@enzymaticcinnabun still doesnt fuckin matter as those territories never belonged to any Austrian Kingdom during history, pre Trianon. Edit; Correction. It never belonged to any Austrian kingdom before it became Hungarian. The Austrians were never more than occupiers.
Why do you argue about a tiny piece of land with indeed controversial situation whereas Hungary lost many Hungarian populated territories to the Slavs and Romanians? Whole Vojevodina prefecture, Southern Slovakia and at least border regions of Transylvania with center poking stick.
There was a lot of support for Romania, and one French general considered it a sort of French colony in Eastern Europe, and whatever would be good for Romania would be good for France too. Still, most French politicians wanted to turn Hungary into an ally, but Romania, an ally of France, occupied Hungary in 1919, put a Romanian „căciulă” on top of Hungary's parliamentary building, as a sign of Romanian victory, and France could do nothing about it. This, in the end, resulted in them becoming unable to pull Hungary to their side, and trying to make an ally out of Hungary would have meant losing Romania, which was far more important to French interest and to securing Europe from communism, especially as they repelled an invasion by Lenin in 1920.
I think it was mostly a political move. Germany and Austria Hungary were a very powerful force in the geo political politics of Mainland Europe at the time. So it was seen as beneficial to France to see its political rivals lose power.
And Austria. And Germany. And Turkey/the Ottoman Empire. And Italy. And pretty much the entire Middle East. France pretty much screwed over the entire world during the treaties.
Very spiritual , but means nothing other than that Hungary is a reactionary/revisionist country , even today . I will feel it up for you : The allies in the 2o22 : " Why did Hungary chose the Russians , after they got a lot of money from EU and protection from Germany (other Russian ally ) ? "
~80 years after WW2, I think it has nothing to do with irredentism (or maybe to a very small extent). Rather it comes down to politics, and to the interest of the ones "in charge" (and to maybe what do people want to hear from politicans). Edit: Sorry, an error from my side: irredentism not equals revisionism... Still, the current government (so far as I know) did not mention anything related to revisionism during the political discussion of the Ukranian-Russian war.
@@elemerhabok3285 Look deeper . Orban wearing that scarf with the "Greater Hungary" , Orban and Putin mentioning "oppressed " Hungarian minorities in Ukraine , Orban talking about territorial autonomy for Szekelyfold , Hungary crying like bitches about the injustice of Trianon and lack of territorial autonomy for Hungarian minorities everywhere . What do you think will happen if Russia wins the war ? What did it happen in 1939 at Vienna Diktat ? Hungary will ever be a revisionist country .
@@SeamanX-qh9bw You write: "Orban and Putin mentioning "oppressed" Hungarian minorities in Ukraine, Orban talking about territorial autonomy for Szekelyfold, Hungary crying like bitches about the injustice of Trianon and lack of territorial autonomy for Hungarian minorities everywhere." The Ukrainian government revoked the nationality rights granted by the former Soviet Union in 2014. You cannot speak Hungarian in public places or in schools, the abolition of Hungarian-language schools. etc. (They would try to ban the German language in, say, Switzerland.) Székelyföld is a Sin-Hungarian enclave of almost 1,000,000 people. In a normal European country, a minority of this size is given autonomy everywhere - if they demand it.
So what exactly did the Hungarians "lose" at Trianon? Because Transylvania at least had majority Romanian population and also the Transylvanian German minority voted to join Romania. The Hungarians learnt to have same rights and obligations as all citizens. Is that bad? Why?
As part of the AustroHungarin Empire, Hungary's Dual Monarchy role was administrative with no standing to negotiate at the international level, which was retained in Vienna . Austria disolved their half of the monarchy and in the face of secessionist movements backed by the victors failed to represent for the territories administered by Hungary at the Treaty negotiations but insisted on retaining title to the Hungarian crown after the country was cut up. .
@michaelmayo3127 Not sure who I ruffled. If anyone, it should be the Austrians .who wore both crowns and capitulated by agreeing to the breakup of the Empire even before the war ended to expedite peace. Hungary's national anthem at the time was still Gott Enhalte Franz dem Kaiser.
@@kopeinokai5370 "Gott Enhalte Franz dem Kaiser"🙂 Kings and Kaisers go and so do empires. And some live in the passed, however doing so, won't bring the passed back. Have a great day!! The Moving Finger writes; and, having writ, Moves on: nor all thy Piety nor Wit Shall lure it back to cancel half a Line, Nor all thy Tears wash out a Word of it. Omar Khayyam.
@michaelmayo3127 Not living in the past, Just commenting from a perspective. usually ignored in the narrative. " Borders are scratched across the hearts of men By strangers with a calm, judicial pen, And when the borders bleed we watch with dread The lines of ink across the map turn red" . Maya Mannes
@@kopeinokai5370 Please don't misunderstand me, my comment wasn't meant for you. I can read from your from your comments, that you was stating a historical fact. However, your feature, caused some comments; from those that dwell on the passed. Are you a progressionist? because your comment seem to lean, in that direction. "With their blooded swords, Kings opposed; will never a peoples in union bring to wed" So who are the kings of today?
To be fair, audiences at this Euro are particularly awful. During the DE-BG game, the Danes behind Curtouis kept throwing plastic bottles at him, he had to kick them off the penalty field. Overall, just booing at seemingly every second game.
So what exactly did the Hungarians "lose" at Trianon? Because Transylvania at least had majority Romanian population and also the Transylvanian German minority voted to join Romania for fear of genocide by Hungarians. The Hungarians learnt to have same rights and obligations as all citizens. Is that bad? Why?
@@gigikontra7023 Transylvania had a HUNGARIAN majority, close to 60%. Ceausescu started mass relocating Romanians to that region and only after that did it have a Romanian majority.
As a Croat, it's important to make the distinction between lands controlled by Hungary, and lands actually inhabited by Hungarians. The vast majority of our part was never particularly populated by Hungarians, though we shared a king for about 800 years
@@Ffxxxx332 you might be right. At this moment it doesn't matter so much. Things can't be reversed and the most important thing is that we as europeans stick together. Only together we have a chance to matter beside the other large superpowers.
Funny enough (and sadly) Hungary had a similar position in WW2. Hungary was embracing anti-communism and nationals but weren’t exactly fans of Nazism. But their trade was almost completely reliant on the Germans and Italians. The Hungarians still preferred the western democracies and republics, but for the sake of reclaiming what many considered rightfully theirs and maintaining their economy, Hungary realized their only option was to ally with the Axis Powers. Hungary constantly looked for a way out of the alliance without sacrifice their sovereignty to Berlin or Moscow, even entering talks with the Western Allies in 1943 to create an anti-communist alliance, but this deal fell through as it caught too much attention from Hitler. Hungary was thus viewed much more favorably by the Western Allies then they were 27 years ago, especially when compared to other Axis powers. There was just one problem though: they were occupied by the Soviets.
French: ,,This war was terrible! I'm sure the biggest wasteland!" Poland: ,,There's also me, you know..." I know, that 1/4 of France was destroyed due to WW1 - but Poland, due to German bombing and Russian scorched Earth tactic was destroyed *entirely.* Most of its major cities (e.c. Kalisz, but not only) were destroyed, it had even a minor famine, and literally no working infrastructure. Not to even mention damage Poland recieved during Polish-Bolshevik War and huge problem with internal cultural division (it's bigger problem than you think - even soldiers of Polish Army weren't using the same uniforms, weapons, or other things. It became an issue during March on Kiev, when Poles had to retreat, as not all soldiers could get ammunition - not to even mention high terrorist rate in Volin due to Ukrainian Nationalists, and strong pollitical division, stronger than in modern _Polish-Polish War)._
@@iok21a or even a small majority in most cases *looks at transylvania which still has a Hungarian majority in parts and a large Hungarian minority in the rest even after being in a nation state that exists for a people who hated them for over a century*
The US actually had a horrific recession coming out of the war. It was very short-lived, but in the moment it looked to be as bad as the Great Depression would be a decade later.
@@SamAronow Yes, same in other countries, in Canada, all the soldiers went back and could not find any jobs, the women were sent back home and removed from work. Still no jobs, lots of homeless soldiers. It resulted in things like unemployment pensions etc, and a lot of improvements so the mistake was not repeated after ww2.
Then you had the dollar March where thousands of soldiers weren't given their proper pay so that also hurt the American people not only were there no jobs but majority of the expeditionary troops are in debt because they weren't fully paid
I can't blame the romanians nor the french before admitting that we screwed up our own history. When Hungary gained independence from the monarchy, the guy who was elected named Károlyi Mihály refused to fight against the invading Romanians and others, plus when the communists came on power they screwed up more badly, and they were enemies of the entente too, plus we got invaded from 3 sides without a normal army, so yea we fucked it up for ourselves. But it's still unfair.
@@silva3658 Many Hungarians still live as a minority in foreign countries, not by choice but because of Trianon, suffering from prejudice and oppression in their current countries. It's still a very acute problem, not just history.
Just a few days ago, two Hungarian left prison after 5 years, they were sentenced beacuse of terrorism (!). But the fact was their origin, they are Hungarians... 100 years later. Some monthy ago Ukrainian extremists planned to poison the Hungarian's water... And people cries for BLM and such stupid things...
@@bbenjoe The policy of appeasement didn't start with Chamberlain, that was its apex. It started when Hitler tore up the treaties and nobody did anything about it. Because they were... "unfair". That only emboldened Hitler and allowed him to continue.
@@roromil2441 well, when you look at the treaties, some big parts of it were extremely unfair and the thing that lead to the rise of extremist groups in the first place, the Weimar Republic literally stood no chance of paying off the nations crippling debt and so much infrastructural damage at the same time, which is why it then went the whole inflation idea and further fed the Extremist rhetoric
@@roromil2441 Indeed. First Hitler stopped paying the WW 1 reparations, then he rapidly began to build up the army, then came the Rhineland in 1937 and so on. But Chzeslovakia was the first time where he openly threatened with war.
For those who would like to know more about the etno-national context of Hungary before 1920, in which Trianon happened, down here are some quotes from Oszkar Jászi (1875-1957), The Dissolution of the Habsburg Monarchy (The Univ. of Chicago Press, Chicago, Illinois, 1929 [1964]). Jászi was a Hungarian social scientist, historian, and politician, active promoter and supporter of the social, political and national reform in Hungary, before WW1. In the October Revolution of 1918, he joined the Károlyi government as Minister of Nationalities. His plan was "to induce the leaders of the various peoples, mainly the Romanians, Slovaks, and Ruthenians, to keep their people within the borders of Hungary by offering them maximum autonomy," but the attempt failed. Oszkar Jászi was a friend of the great Magyar poet Endre Ady, and one of the few Hungarian politicians that was respected among the elites of minorities living in Austria-Hungary, especially among the Romanians. (pages 168-169) (page 216) (pp. 334-335) (page 293) (page 305) (page 320) (pages 321 - 322)
Yes, the video ignores years of Magyarization by the Hungarians over the many people in then-Hungary who were not Hungarian. The current borders of Hungary, which were imposed after WWI, left a decent number of ethnic Hungarians outside the border. Today that's still somewhat true, but the impact of 30 years of freedom after the fall of the Iron Curtain means that's less true every year as there's near continuous migration. There are now, in round numbers, about 1mm Magyars in Romania, 0.422mm in Slovakia, 250K in Serbia and 150K in Ukraine (pre war). By contrast, in 1989, there were 163K in Ukraine, 1.625MM Romania (1992), 0.567MM Slovakia (1991) and 343K Serbia (1991). So the number of Hungarians in the surrounding countries is in pretty continuous steep decline.
You should've mentioned the unique situation as to how Hungary lost that small chunk of territory to Austria, and how only the city of Sopron voted to remain in Hungary, which is why it has that panhandle even today
@@magyarbondi You could also argue that what is now the Burgenland was indeed mainly German-speaking, including Sopron, However, since Hungary retained forces and Austria did not, Sopron was kind of occupied. And no, I am not Austrian.
But so what's the situation now in the European Union? Is it true that Hungarians are forbidden from going to other EU countries and settling there? Must they live on land which is strictly nominally part of Hungary? Does this have something to do with their religion?
@@gigikontra7023 From where did hear this stuff? i wouldn't call it ridiculous because that would be understatement...it's Simply science -fiction LOL..Hungary is part of EU, and obviouslly hungarians can travel freely to live &work in other countries of EU.. hungarians constitute large minority groups in other countries...beeing the ancesters of people who choose to remain in the territories that they have lived, even If those were taken from Hungary and given to other countries..on just causes. Trianon was am act of justice witch repaired hundreds of years of austro-hungarian subjugation and plunder of territories witch never trully rightfully belonged to them and were only conquered and stolen by force from other nations.
Why doesn't Turkey have lands of Ottoman Empire? Why France is not one of Napoleon? If you ask any Czech, Slovakian or Croat - they will say that at this time they were under a rule of another country (Austro-Hungarian Empire), basically occupied. It was just another empire that held under it's rule lands of other nations and collapsed like many before it. Reducing this to "Hungary being punished" is like saying that Italy was punished by collapse of Roman Empire.
By the Entente, you mean the US. European colonial powers never supported self determination for that very reason, they didn't want to give any ideas to their subjects. And turns out they were right to be worried too.
that's kind of true to every big war, especially the 2 World Wars. f.e. in WW2 the only country without major casualties was the USA, who didn't win much either. England was on the winning side, but was bombed to ground, France was on the winning side, but also lost most of its army, and territory for a while
I click the video interested about the topic but there is so much knowledge here in short spam of time... O_o I will need to watch it few times in concentration not like now doing some stuff. 1st time on the channel. Stunning job !
Poles in 1653: ,,Haha, take that Russians!" Poles in 1920: ,,Haha, take that Russians!" For unrelated: in 1653 Poland-Lithuania won Siege of Suszawa, thus ending Chmielnicki's tries of Ukraine becomming approved in Europe.
@@generalgrievous9987 Karma ? Because you think Hungary is any better ? Or any country for all it matters. It was just political pragmatism in both cases.
"World War I, was a war of losers, even the winners lost." The USA, and the Bolsheviks has been real quiet since he said that Edit: Added Bolsheviks, and also, What in the fuckkity fuck fuck fuck caused World War 3 in the reply section
The US are the only true winner of WW1. By selling stuff to the Entente, they went from being an unnotworthy secondary power to being the richest and most industrialized country on Earth, and without doing any real fighting at that.
@@solwen They did do some fighting, but I can tell that you're salty so carry on. The US had actually become the largest economy on Earth by 1900 if not before it, it's just that nobody noticed how powerful they'd become until WW1.
@@solwen "Without doing any real fighting"? They took over 100,000 casualties within a year. America was utterly inexperienced, and unprepared for WWI, much like the other powers. Their tactics, and strategies, were the same bullshit that had been tried, and failed since 1914. A country like Belgium had been fighting the entirety of the war, and received a maximum of 90,000 casualties. Not only does this show America clearly was "doing real fighting", but also that they weren't particularly good at it (compare American successes to German successes in the war).
@@cynicat74 Until they pulled a proto "Rush B" ,a move adopted by the Soviets 30 years later and shaped in what we see today. However unlike Russians using SMGs,the Americans used Shotguns!
Actually, those aren't the current borders of Hungary, because after they were on the wrong side once again in World War II, the country's territory was reduced *even further* with a little sliver going to Czechoslovakia.
@@attilahalmai4590There were two sides in WW2: those with Hitler and those against. The Cold War came after WW2, so yes, Stalin was on the right side in WW2 - the side against Nazi Germany. Newsflash: things can change and did change AFTER WW2.
Yeah, at the same side as Romania and Italy… just Romania switched right before the end, so got a huge part from their prev. ally’s territory (and people)
It was not really about punishment. It was about the winners of the war not wanting a powerful central European country. They wanted small countries squabbling with each other. This is why (despite claiming to want to help other nationalities) the new borders didn't even resemble the ethnic distributions, forming huge enclaves of populations, practically guaranteeing inter-ethnic conflict for many decades to come. This seems like having been done on purpose, to prevent any powerful alliance of central-eastern European countries to form in the future.
Yes, finally someone gets the point. West European and eastern powers only want to exploit us. If Central-Eastern Europe ever managed to unite for a common cause, West European powers would lose dominance.
@@vardekpetrovic9716 No, you are wrong. We lost the Aegean coast, which was ours before the war and Strumica and Bosilegrad regions. I think that it's the same with Kosovo and Serbia.
But germany was held almost entirely responsible for war reparations wrecking extreme havoc on it economy and throwing its country into an economic crisis all for a war they didn't start.
After attacking Romania, in order to recover Transylvania, expel all Romanians from the province and give their lands to "Red" Magyar peasants (this was Bela Kuhn's promise to poor Magyar peasants when asking them to join the "Red Battalions"...). As the Bible says, 'those who dig a hole for others, will end up in that hole themselves'.
@@CborgMega Yes, this is the truth. It's pretty saddening how this video makes Hungary seem like a poor innocent country hated by everyone while Hungary is actually one of the most hateful countries in Europe. I think not even Russians hate everyone as much as Hungarians do. Keep posting the REAL truth!
as my history teacher said when we negotiated with the French about an armistece the hungarian negotiator was like we only exsist as a soverign nation since last thursday and the french said no
@@yonko0454 "equal" yeah you should really look at the relationship between Austria and Hungary before saying something so stupid. Hungary had to fight multiple revolutions just to get a seat at the table and even then Austria was still in control, although Hungary could choose to be awkward to get what it wanted.
@@ilmatar6608 USSR "Union of Soviet Socialist Republics was a confederation of Russia, Belorussia, Ukraine, and the Transcaucasian Federation" The USSR was predominantly Russia with several other powers about that were also communist Also Finland wasn't intended to be annexed, Russia just wanted the Mannerheim line and a little beyond for "national security", AKA preventing Germany from being able to use Finnish positions should they try to attack the Soviet Union. They changed their goal to annexation for a brief time during the war, but for the most part they just wanted to get a few hundred kilometers of Finnish soil during the talks that predated the war by months
@@D4rky. true, we're all just hating eachother for the dumbest things, enspecially since the ones to blame for most issues are the ones we put in power, not our regular guy.
@hibiscus 😀😀 I’m not from Hungary, I’m not Hungarian - I’m from Finland 🇫🇮 I just visited Hungary two times, and saw this everywhere. First, I didn’t know what it was (I didn’t recognise the shape), but my Hungarian friend told me. I can understand Hungarians can feel sad about it, but as for me, I live in 2022, and totally respect current borders.
Because Hungarians have endured worse, e.g. the Golden Horde or the Turks. We can wait to correct Trianon or until borders will no longer be relevant because of Schengen.
No, we really don't. Watching Oversimplified is a mental torture considering the utterly hysterical skits, puns and jokes every 20 seconds. It simply wouldn't work with deadpan humour of History Matters.
One of the big problems in Europe is ethnic spill over. Yugoslavia had it worst with the 90s wars but many Hungarians live amongst other ethnic groups inside those lost territories. Those neighboring countries aren't keen to lose land and won't allow a bigger Hungary. In some cases, they don't even want Hungarian language signs or anything that could be used to claim the land as Hungarian. If the land went back to Hungary, they would have large ethnic minorities inside Hungary so the problem would just be reversed.
Hungarian colonists need to go back to where they can be from. They cause far too much trouble with the majority NATIVE populations. Also many other problems: large unemployment among Hungarians etc. They only want to dominate others
Not exactly because Hungary already have a lot of minor population and we treat them right. Well we can say we treat them like they were hungarians also.
@@finalfrontier001 What is false my brother? I only wrote facts. We have a lot of minor populations and they have all the rights as we hungarians. Not more not less.
@@dominikbator8585 Hingarian killed and abused all minorities in the empire and there are currently anti immigration laws in Hungry so your statement is false.
I never realized how sore of a topic this was until I visited Hungary a few years back. Our two guides were from native Hungarians from Transylvania who had moved to Budapest. They absolutely hated being from Romania and refused to call themselves Romanian despite growing up within their boundaries. Pretty interesting
Yup, even after more than 100 years the treaty there are still a huge hungarian minority in Slovakia, Serbia, Ukraine and Romania (there are 500 000+ hungarians in Slovakia alone). Most of us don't identify as a slovakian , serbian etc. Even if we were born and raised in these countries. Sometimes we get hate from slovakians, and like every 3 years the goverment comes up with some kind of law to srtrict our language or symbol use, our freedom, but its not unbeareble. The sad thing is that we can't identify as a hungarian neither, most of the people in Hungary don't see us real hungarians. But I'm happy to be in this situation, it's kinda cool to have two cultures, to be bilingual from birth and in recent times it can even be a positive thing to be an ethnic hungarian on the job market or when you try to make friends/pick up a chick. To summerize: I feel like (in Slovakia) we are slowly learning to live together, and things are getting better. Both nations did terrible things to each other but we should look to the future
@@hegyeske1 I'm Hungarian, too, and I live in Hun, but I have never met any Hungarian, who said you aren't real Hungarian. Oh. I'm sorry... there are unfortunately some idiots, like András Fekete-Győr (who told some unreal think about you, and it's make me really tense and angry) but the most of people love you. Ti is magyarok vagytok és büszkék vagyunk rátok, sőt néha az a tapasztalat, hogy nektek sokkal többet jelent a magyarság, mint egyeseknek az anyaországban. Jó látni, hogy még kitartotok és büszkék vagytok. Felejtsd el ezt a marhaságot, hogy nem nézünk igazi magyaroknak. Lehet hogy van néhány hülye hazaáruló, akik hallattatják a hangukat, de ez nem a többség véleménye!
yeah, don't ever call a hungarian from Transylvania romanian. Way to get your ass kicked. I live in the eastern side of Hungary, so we have quite a lot of them in uni, or simply living here.
@@Inferiis they are romanians whatever they like it or not. We had enough of this madness that make people hate eachother 😊 this crap has reached a boiling point in romania
To be fair Croatia was originally in a personal union with hungary and the king of Hungary wasalso the king of Croatia. They had their own parlament who would confirm a new king togeather with the hungarian one. But after the habsburgs came to power (funny enough due to the croatian sabor) they slowly changed that.
I've read about pre WW1 Hungary a lot, basically the hungarian people didnt wanted the war and they were ready to give independece to the bigger ethnic groups to stay relatively friendly (or at least good neighbours), but we had a lot of corrupt and power-hungry politicians on the hungarian side and a lot of Hungary-hater politicians on the austrian side. People didnt care for politics, it was the wealthy people's entertainment. So those politicians decisions screwed us. This is happening again, majority of the hungarians dont care and they keep in power whoever is in power now, and those politicians are screwing us over again...
@@ErikPT not as powerful as we thought it seems,i mean just look at russia,"the west is fighting a violent war in the media while russia is slowly advancing towards it's objective"
@@gigikontra7023 all i know is a rough estimate of 1.5 million with lower estimates going 1.2m and highers 1.7m. Out of how many I have no idea. The biggest problem is that even purely Hungarian territories got broken off. All that I aside, i still vouch for a Carpathian Union... the constituent countries (of the Austro-Hungarian Monarchy) should put down an agreement in which they stand up together for deeper cooperation and all. All that these treaties created, besides an unstable region and hatred even to this day, are countries that cant exhert force on the western part of the continent when it comes to certain geopolitical issues that affect us differently than our western friends. Peace ✌️
@@donenzonen Query: isn't Bosnia as a nation didn't exist back then, since Bosnia was part of Austria-Hungary? And the guy who killed the Archduke belongs to a group with strong ties to Serbia, who wants to make a Greater Serbia - which includes Austro-Hungarian ruled territory such as Bosnia, Croatia, Slovenia, Slavonia, Dalmatia, and Vojvodina. Then again, everyone wants war back then and everyone involved lose, one way or another.
When I hear things related to pride I think of Jesus Christ who was slandered, beaten and let to die slowly on the cross. He shows that has humility is stronger than pride. Pride makes you suffer twice
Hungarians are turanian therefore indo-europeanist NAZI 'west' always targeted them such as they treated to Turks.The 'west' has inferiority complex that's why they created fictional aryan ancestor theory which caused millions of deaths... That's why they don't like other civilizations. Believe or not... Even Hungarians forget, 'west' will never forget. They always call magyars as asian... Same for Turks(other turanians), west was also antijapan too until certain defeat of Japan. They see themselves as a superior therefore race like Turanians are obstacle infront of their fictional tales.
But is there something in the Hungarian religion preventing Hungarians from living on land which is not nominally part of Hungary? I'm thinking like Israel or something?
So what exactly did the Hungarians "lose" at Trianon? Because Transylvania at least had majority Romanian population and also the Transylvanian German minority voted to join Romania for fear of genocide by Hungarians. The Hungarians learnt to have same rights and obligations as all citizens. Is that bad? Why?
@@mastermindd The Treaty of Trianon and political instability between 1919 and 1924 led to a major inflation of Hungary's currency. In 1921, in an attempt to stop this inflation, the national assembly of Hungary passed the Hegedüs reforms, including a 20% levy on bank deposits, but this precipitated a mistrust of banks by the public, especially the peasants, and resulted in a reduction in savings, and thus an increase in the amount of currency in circulation. Due to the reduced tax base, the government resorted to printing money, and in 1923 inflation in Hungary reached 98% per month.
@Rulya Mórrigan Ard Mhacha I meant the area Bela Lugosi was from. He was from Lugos/Lugoj in what is now Romania (He based his stage name off of his hometown).
Another thought: If the Hungarians had agreed with the Austrians to form a Triple Monarchy, bringing in the Czechs, or perhaps a federated empire with space for all the major minorities, WW 1, or at least the breakup of Austro-Hungary, might have been avoided. That's expecting too much, but it was possible, using Switzerland as a model.
The third nation weren't going to be Czechs, they were going to be the Southern Slavs, Croats, Slovenes, and Bosnians. The Czechs were a content lot, never causing any problems for their German overlords.
@@theoneblock7107 Kind of? The sudaten used to be, but no longer. The Czechs themselves are Slavs, but have many economic, social and historical links to the Germans.
It could have been possible maybe in some form, but guess what? The Habsburgs were a bunch of inbread and powerhungry douchebags, they only formed the Austro-Hungarian Empire since they saw they can't just break us like the other nations they annexed. We revolted in 1848 and we were close to a brighter future, but they shat themselves and called in the russians. After this incident, they had no choice later on but to include us at least a bit, but they still dominated us pretty much. It's our nation's shame that we let those clowns rule us for centuries.
I was not taught this in school. After marrying a Hungrian from Transylvania, I have only ever heard the Hungarian side to this. So thank you, very much, for proposing a neutral PoV here that makes complete sense to me.
Ask your wife who was and always had been the by far largest ethnic group in transilvania from ancient times and who despite constituting the minority had always been opressed and subjugated by the austro-hungarian empire..until my country rightfully got back what was and what has always been theirs in the grand union in 1918..
0:24 That is a very weird ethnic map of the Western Balkans-part of the Kingdom of Hungary. It shows the Serbs in the Vojvodina but not in Bosnia, and the Muslim Bosniaks are not shown at all.
@@vulpes7079 I wouldn't agree with that statement but nevertheless, it still makes little sense to show the South Slavs inhabiting what is today Croatia and Bosnia in one solid colour while showing the Serbs in the Vojvodina separately. It would have made sense to either show all the South Slavs (i.e. Croats, Serbs, Bosniaks) in one colour or separate them by ethnic/religious group.
Its also a dishonest one. Half of the territory where the minorities live were actually uninhabited mountains. It was purpousfully colored almost always to justify the new states taking soo much from hungary. Hungary had 50% of the population and 10% were german who DEFINETLY would want to remain in hunhary and were always treated within hungary as brothers. So effectively Hungary had 60% of the population of it's formal territory yet it recieved only 33% of the territory 5 million hungarians and close to a million Germans were stranded because of the blatant disregard to ethnic self determination. After that they were subkected to countless massacres forced deportation and prejudice, while hungarian NOBLES merely didn't let ANYONE else (regardless of ethnicity) rule the new little entente nations actively opressed Hungarians and germans for a century wich ACTUALLY invalidates the entire treaty btw... Im what word is ethnic cleansing justified just because an authotarian empire did 1 war.
Transylvania had a 70% majority of Romanian, who even before the war they wanted to break away, because after 1866 Budapest government wanted to assimilate them, and refuse to acknowledge their existence. Budapest government tried to assimilate the German minority too. Romanian loyalty was more towards Vienna than towards Budapest. Read Adventures of soldier Svejk by Hajek to understand attitude of nationalities who weren't German or Hungarian
As a hungarian I would say this video is showing a lot of correct information but I would not call it 100% accurate.... my great grandfather fought in the war on the Monarchie side. He was captured and spent 5 years in Russia (now Ukrania territory) as a captive/prisoner working in agriculture. I wish I could attach his photo I just found a week ago in the family stash from 1918 while in captivity.
Oh Yes... Just a little work. :D (Malenki robot.) (Ha ugyan jól írtam. XDDD) My great grandfather also taken just a "little work". He was skin and bone when he arrived home. (Fortunately, he was a lucky one.)
@@Bzgiorno_Bzgiovanna To add to his WWI story - once he got back from Captivity he rcame back to an empty house... his entire family had perished in typhoid along with most of the population of his village... he almost went back to hist captors after that... having nobody left... but then stayed and eventually met my great-grand mother and founded a new family... thats where I come from as well eventually. I recall he was a machine gunner - when they were captured he had denied the fact that he had been the machine gunner (MGs were new back then and operators were delt with in brutal ways due to the high casaulity rate they have caused) By the way we still have his bayonette. From WW2 perspective my grandfather fought in it... we have been listening to his stories throughout our childhood..
Nobody realy cared about turkish párt of the Ottoman Empire, the fench and the english had threy slice, and the greeks and italian where in nő positi on to enforce threy dwmands
Ataturk in the end repelled the Allies' invasion in Turkey itself, and got to negotiate because of the fears that Ataturk would form an alliance with the Bolsheviks. In exchange for keeping its core territories, Turkey would act as a buffer between the Bolsheviks and the European Mandates in the Middle East. Technically, the Ottoman Empire lost the war, but Turkey won its own war separately. When you still have a strong military that can repel any invader and even threaten the invader, you can negotiate.
@@tudormardare66 There was already an alliance between Turkish revolutionaries and Bolsheviks that it was them which supplied the new government with weapons and gold in return of ''future grain'' that Turkey delivered in following years. Turkish revolutionaries are often claimed to be nationalist or pro-western by some sources but they both couldn't be more wrong as in reality it had pretty serious socialist influence and followed very similar path after the war with reforms and domestic development projects, also signed trade agreements and a non-aggression pact in 1925. It was stalin who moronically destroyed Turkey-Soviet union relations by claiming rights on the Turkish straits and later on trying to force Turkey to join the war against third reich...
@@ggoddkkiller1342 They even invaded Armenia together. The problem the Western Powers worried about the most was for the Bolsheviks to invade the Middle East through Turkey. That's the reason they negotiated with Turkey. Turkey could provide a stable buffer.
I should have known this video existed, but often as someone who enjoys historical map painting based strategy games I look at modern Hungary and Hungary in 1066 and think Jesus, what happened? And now I know.
Poor hungary, fk all the nations that suffered under theyr rule, but poor hungary. What if Austria bitched about Beeing mistreated by losing moravia, how would that sound today?
As a part of Balkan, we are really lucky what we somehow are part of Europe too. So European superpowers are not really interested in armed conflict near their bordered( I hope so), so even if some tension exist, everyone try their best to don’t escalate things( either way it don’t work always), but it could be so much mess that I am glad with current status quo
I mean Hungary had an effective solution for centuries, altho these days people probably wouldn't like it too much: just conquer them and make it all 1 kingdom
@@kevincronk7981 i bet, at one point this approach become one of the reason why balcan was messed up, rather than helping. I dont speak about Hungary, but about idea to make one big happy kingdom with (insert needed nation) as leader.
Well, not all of them were peaceful - in February 1919 Czechoslovak soldiers violated demilitirised zone in Ostrava, starting the Polish-Czechoslovak War (also known as ,,Seven-days War")
@@Admiral45-10 Nope. The conflict began in February 1919 Poland violated the 14 points treaty and invaded Chzechoslovakia, thus starting the Polish-Chzechoslovak war which ended in failiure for Poland
@@dwarow2508 1) Which ones? Name all of them. It surely wasn't treaty of 5th November 1918 considering Ostrava as demilitirised zone (which Czechoslovaks soldiers entered). 2) Yes, we've lost the Polish-Czechoslovak War (just like Ukraine had lost Polish-Ukrainian War it had triggered and Polish-Bolshevik War as well), but as you know so much about it, you can also tell about Czechoslovak war crimes commited on Polish POWs.
@@Admiral45-10 1. There was no actual Chzechoslovak state at all on 5th November 1918. The 14 points treaty regulated and established all borders of Eastern Europe which also strictly made Zaolzie a Chzech province. One that Poland violated by entering it. 2. Yes you indeed lost the Polish-Chzechoslovak war (just like western Ukraine lost the Polish-Ukrainian war that Poland started and just like you lost the Polish-Soviet war that you started), but since you are clearly so wise about this topic, you can tell me more about the Polish crimes on Chzechs, Jews, Ukrainians, Belorussians, Russians and Lithuanians during the period.
@@SaturatedCat I've watched this channel since the early days and little has changed in his good quality. Only difference is shorter videos now than before but who cares. He has not been sloppy and I doubt he makes that much money from these vids
Hungary keeping its power over its subjects without the might of the austrian empire behind it was never going to happen, and the whole austro-hungarian mess was barely keeping together before the war anyways.
As we all of course know Serbia’s claims are not valid, Greece’s are and North Masa-what ever it is called should keep its name bc Alexander the okay was definitely from Greece... aight I’ll go get popcorn BRB
Hungary: Waaa why is everyone so UNFAIR? 😥 Might doesn't make right! A few moments later... France: Hey dude can you like, stop trying to conquer people? Chillax!
Entente's so called ideas of self-determination very realized only when Hungary had to lose lands - while ethnically majority German, many Burgenlanders didn't want to join Austria at the time.
@@mastermindd The citizens of Sopron even thought off the Austrian army and it became an independent country for a short while, until it rejoined Hungary.
@@tommark3015 Considering Austria-Hungary was politically screwing with Serbia and trying to ruin them economically and pressure them into being annexed, that's not exactly true...
Hungary did have it harsh though. Fighting a war in the east, north, and south. But for Czechoslovakia, Yugoslavia, and Romanias outcome was to crush the communist uprising. But hey, they would all be under communist rule almost 40 years later and the Hungarians leaving the Warsaw Pact.
Imagine being a classic Hungarian officer, he either supports the communists, who fight to keep their country, or the Romanians, who fight the communists, but also work to dismantle Hungary Which of these is the better choice
@@ihaveadream3321 3,3 million ethnic Hungarians were annexed to enemy countries, whose descendants suffer since from severe racism and oppression, much worse than what the nationalities experienced when they lived in Hungary.
@@norton9216 The people in Transylvania beg to differ. There were a significant number of Hungarians in there, but the population was still in majority Romanian. And while you are right that it was owned by the Hungarians for a long time, there were periods when Transylvania itself was actually independent for a time from Hungary itself. But as always, the demographics matter the most. The population was in majority Romanian and that's why it was given to Romania after the First World War.
Now I understand why my ethnic Hungarian grandparents immigrated to the US in 1922. She was just 18 and grandfather a few years older. He was a World War I veteran who fought the Russians for the Hungarian kingdom. Their home town is now called by a German name - Unterwart - in what’s now Burgenland, Austria. The town is about five or 10 miles from the modern Hungarian border.
I don't understand that either. When the Monarchy was dismembered, Austria, which started the war, received the part called Őrség/Guard/Burgenland from the Hungarian Kingdom of the Empire. (The border area of the two countries.) The settlement you mentioned is also here, its original Hungarian name: Alsóőr.
"We wouldn't win anything but we could lose everything."
Tisza István, prime minister of Hungary
Shortly before the war
And he was killed by soldiers who came back from the frontlines, blaming him because of the war.
but into this situation they get because of hungarian politics wanted to have everything!
@@dafyduck79 No dummy, we got there because of the richs interest.
@@KokenyRichard yeah, sure
@@davidsipos5453 as Freud said "the Hungerians killed their smartest count and replaced them with the dumbest count".
"Everyone died"
Clinically accurate.
@@KapiteinKrentebol Emperor Franz-Josef dead Tsar Nicolas dead Kaiser Wilhelm exiled so no.
@@KapiteinKrentebol The war is also known as the death of monarchies. so no.
@@KapiteinKrentebol That's just not even true though
@@KapiteinKrentebol When the war started the European bankers and economists thought that it couldn't possibly last very long because it was bad for trade and countries couldn't afford to keep such vast armies in the field, and indeed the major belligerents did go broke before too long, if it wasn't for US loans a much earlier armistice would've had to be made.
It was because of the prospect of the Entente losing that forced the US to intervene to secure their loans, but the first wold war not only cost monarchies their thrones but cost countries their fortunes and particularly Britain and France their empires.
Nobody won, it was a disaster.
I love that he mentions Austia's vicious side which influences German "hoch" culture thru both their reformations
Hungry was the one that wanted peace
"World War I was a war of losers. Even the winners lost."
That feels like a understatement.
Edit: I'm American.
USA's arms industry though goes brrrrrrrrrrr
@@kimok4716 don't forget ww2 industry .
It was like
Usa: so japan you sank my 30 ship?
Japan : yes
USA: no worries I made 300 more to replace it .
Japan: shit!!
USA: Also eat the sun x 2
That's why I've always been a fan of the phrase "The shot that killed 20 million" to describe Gavrillo Princip's murder of Franz Ferdinand, it really sums up that sheer death toll of a few people's actions.
Not true, they won themselves a free new second world war!
Though the shipping was delayed until 1939.
> Be Hungarian
> Wake up in the morning and go to RUclips
> Type "Transylvania belongs to Hungary" in many Romania related videos
> Go to work
Don't forget to add that legend about the 1000 years 😂
I don’t know if you are from Ukraine or not (it’s just that now a lot of people put the Ukrainian flag on their avatar), but they do the same with Ukrainian Transcarpathia. They one of the reason why we love Hungarian, and they support Russia. So Hungary suck 🇺🇦👎🇭🇺
And the fact that ,,Transilvania'' (latin i) belongs to ROMANIA :D
Transilvania e Român istorie e istorie
virgin
After every episode I feel like playing EU4 or Total War
I prefer Heart of iron for the era but paradox Interactive games are excellent
and with Vicky 3 coming soon you can even cover this period specifically.
Lowkey
Thats also the reason why i cant study history more than 1 hour, after that i usually have a terrible urge to play eu4
Is there anywhere else to play hoi4? My computer is trash
NOO YOU CAN'T JUST VIOLATE THE TOTALLY LEGAL TREATY OF WE'RE NOT ASKING
Haha Violations go BRRRR
For real though, I wasn’t expecting to see you here.
You are one of the least expected people on this channels videos, yet you are here.
*german laughter ensues*
BEST TREATY EVER
Ew
Ew, a checkmark.
“Treaty of we’re not asking” I can’t 🤣
Where's that part?
@@Dembilaja 0:43 my good lad
I lost it at 'How to Balkans?'
Countries that lost wars weren't in position to negotiate..
Turkey: Hold my çay
I love that he mentions Austia's vicious side which influences German "hoch" culture thru both their reformations
Hungry was the one that wanted peace
50% of the reason why I watch videos from this channel is of course to further gain geographic and historical knowledge but the other 50% is because of the animation.
The animation in almost all of the videos available on this channel are so funny, always gets me lmao!
Overall these videos are deceptive semi-truths, misleading superficial garbage. Click bait, pure and simple.
Imagine giving territory from Hungary to Austria and going “Yes, we sure showed the responsible guys not to do bad things”
That territory was mostly German speaking and a part of it had a referendum on which country it wanted to join, it chose Hungary
Sopron, the city was majority hungarian, german speakers were one of many minorities. The countryside was more german.
The austrians wanted the city too.
@@enzymaticcinnabun still doesnt fuckin matter as those territories never belonged to any Austrian Kingdom during history, pre Trianon. Edit; Correction. It never belonged to any Austrian kingdom before it became Hungarian. The Austrians were never more than occupiers.
Why do you argue about a tiny piece of land with indeed controversial situation whereas Hungary lost many Hungarian populated territories to the Slavs and Romanians? Whole Vojevodina prefecture, Southern Slovakia and at least border regions of Transylvania with center poking stick.
@@siratshi455 because it was given to austria of all countries, the other territories make sense as to why they were given away, this one doesn’t
Hungary, the only country surrounded by its own previous border
Russia if you don't count the ocean and count Manchuria
Turkey as well
There's also Mongolia, and Mexico.
I was, of course, not counting the ocean/sea, there is a lot otherwise ^^
Mongolia
So basically the French wanted to be friends with everyone but Hungary
also a lot of those areas were on full revolt.
There was a lot of support for Romania, and one French general considered it a sort of French colony in Eastern Europe, and whatever would be good for Romania would be good for France too.
Still, most French politicians wanted to turn Hungary into an ally, but Romania, an ally of France, occupied Hungary in 1919, put a Romanian „căciulă” on top of Hungary's parliamentary building, as a sign of Romanian victory, and France could do nothing about it.
This, in the end, resulted in them becoming unable to pull Hungary to their side, and trying to make an ally out of Hungary would have meant losing Romania, which was far more important to French interest and to securing Europe from communism, especially as they repelled an invasion by Lenin in 1920.
I think it was mostly a political move. Germany and Austria Hungary were a very powerful force in the geo political politics of Mainland Europe at the time. So it was seen as beneficial to France to see its political rivals lose power.
And Austria. And Germany. And Turkey/the Ottoman Empire. And Italy. And pretty much the entire Middle East. France pretty much screwed over the entire world during the treaties.
no
The Allies after WW1: *Give 2/3 of Hungary's land to the enemy*
The Allies after WW2: "Why did Hungary chose the Axis?"
Very spiritual , but means nothing other than that Hungary is a reactionary/revisionist country , even today .
I will feel it up for you :
The allies in the 2o22 : " Why did Hungary chose the Russians , after they got a lot of money from EU and protection from Germany (other Russian ally ) ? "
~80 years after WW2, I think it has nothing to do with irredentism (or maybe to a very small extent).
Rather it comes down to politics, and to the interest of the ones "in charge" (and to maybe what do people want to hear from politicans).
Edit: Sorry, an error from my side: irredentism not equals revisionism...
Still, the current government (so far as I know) did not mention anything related to revisionism during the political discussion of the Ukranian-Russian war.
@@elemerhabok3285 Look deeper . Orban wearing that scarf with the "Greater Hungary" , Orban and Putin mentioning "oppressed " Hungarian minorities in Ukraine , Orban talking about territorial autonomy for Szekelyfold , Hungary crying like bitches about the injustice of Trianon and lack of territorial autonomy for Hungarian minorities everywhere .
What do you think will happen if Russia wins the war ?
What did it happen in 1939 at Vienna Diktat ? Hungary will ever be a revisionist country .
@@SeamanX-qh9bw Who invented this bullshit?
@@SeamanX-qh9bw You write: "Orban and Putin mentioning "oppressed" Hungarian minorities in Ukraine, Orban talking about territorial autonomy for Szekelyfold, Hungary crying like bitches about the injustice of Trianon and lack of territorial autonomy for Hungarian minorities everywhere."
The Ukrainian government revoked the nationality rights granted by the former Soviet Union in 2014. You cannot speak Hungarian in public places or in schools, the abolition of Hungarian-language schools. etc. (They would try to ban the German language in, say, Switzerland.)
Székelyföld is a Sin-Hungarian enclave of almost 1,000,000 people. In a normal European country, a minority of this size is given autonomy everywhere - if they demand it.
History Matters: *"Why did th--"*
All of Europe: *"The French were involved."*
but they asked us to rip them apart 🤔
AND ANGLOS
and britain tagged along for fun
@@tachankat2485 our lifelong friends in ruining the world 😙
@@Lapantouflemagic0 and sometimes not getting much out of it
big joke is that even austria got territory out of the peace in a war that they started and lost.
Like a consolation prize for the dissolution of the Austro-Hungarian Empire.
The whole entire war was one sick joke.
@yellow screen 😂 get back lands they were oppressing and that wanted out as a majority? You must be stupid
@yellow screen yeah probably wont happen. You could make it happen in eu4, but that about it
@yellow screen I hope they'll lose the rest of it.
The time period immediately after WWI is so underrated. There was so much stuff going on, that is often glossed over in schools.
So what exactly did the Hungarians "lose" at Trianon? Because Transylvania at least had majority Romanian population and also the Transylvanian German minority voted to join Romania. The Hungarians learnt to have same rights and obligations as all citizens. Is that bad? Why?
True. The core of modern Turkey's history is based in the period between 1919-1923 during which the most important things for the country happen.
Because when you start to study it in depth you realize that the bad guys won
@@paulsoldner9500 who are the "goodies" and who are the "baddies" ?
@@sami_ozsoy yeah they started a war of independence
As part of the AustroHungarin Empire, Hungary's Dual Monarchy role was administrative with no standing to negotiate at the international level, which was retained in Vienna . Austria disolved their half of the monarchy and in the face of secessionist movements backed by the victors failed to represent for the territories administered by Hungary at the Treaty negotiations but insisted on retaining title to the Hungarian crown after the country was cut up. .
Sounds like you have ruffles quite a few, Nationalistic Hungarian feathers😊😊
@michaelmayo3127 Not sure who I ruffled. If anyone, it should be the Austrians .who wore both crowns and capitulated by agreeing to the breakup of the Empire even before the war ended to expedite peace. Hungary's national anthem at the time was still Gott Enhalte Franz dem Kaiser.
@@kopeinokai5370 "Gott Enhalte Franz dem Kaiser"🙂
Kings and Kaisers go and so do empires. And some live in the passed, however doing so, won't bring the passed back. Have a great day!!
The Moving Finger writes; and, having writ,
Moves on: nor all thy Piety nor Wit
Shall lure it back to cancel half a Line,
Nor all thy Tears wash out a Word of it.
Omar Khayyam.
@michaelmayo3127 Not living in the past, Just commenting from a perspective. usually ignored in the narrative.
" Borders are scratched across the hearts of men
By strangers with a calm, judicial pen,
And when the borders bleed we watch with dread
The lines of ink across the map turn red" . Maya Mannes
@@kopeinokai5370
Please don't misunderstand me, my comment wasn't meant for you. I can read from your from your comments, that you was stating a historical fact. However, your feature, caused some comments; from those that dwell on the passed.
Are you a progressionist? because your comment seem to lean, in that direction.
"With their blooded swords, Kings opposed; will never a peoples in union bring to wed"
So who are the kings of today?
I love how you uploaded this after the France-Hungary football game.
When we boo’d the French anthem I had to explain why to my Welsh mates in the pub 🤣🤣
@@9wowable wait you did what
@@andresduques2013 during the Hungary vs France game the Hungarian fans boo’d the French anthem.
@@9wowable the ones in the stadium or your friends at the bar? Sorry but I haven't watched the game lol
To be fair, audiences at this Euro are particularly awful. During the DE-BG game, the Danes behind Curtouis kept throwing plastic bottles at him, he had to kick them off the penalty field.
Overall, just booing at seemingly every second game.
I demand that all future treaties that end a war be on a similar lines to “The Treaty of We’re Not Asking.”
AKA, international policies if they were honest.
“*Treaty Of STFU Constantinople Is Mine*”
-Russian Empire
Yes, that surely lead to very good results in that case... oh, wait.
So what exactly did the Hungarians "lose" at Trianon? Because Transylvania at least had majority Romanian population and also the Transylvanian German minority voted to join Romania for fear of genocide by Hungarians. The Hungarians learnt to have same rights and obligations as all citizens. Is that bad? Why?
@@gigikontra7023 Transylvania had a HUNGARIAN majority, close to 60%. Ceausescu started mass relocating Romanians to that region and only after that did it have a Romanian majority.
Regent Horthy: “We live in a society.”
"You wanna know how I got those galons?"
"It's not about Northern Transylvania, it's about sending a message"
@@sapcavax7806 lmao
Do I really look like a guy with a plan? You know what I am? I'm a dog chasing Slovakia. I wouldn't know what to do with it if I caught it!
"You wanna know what happened to my ships.....My father... he was a fiend..."
"I hope you enjoyed this video..."
As a Hungarian... yes, I enjoyed it a lot...
Still short and informative video, nicely done!
Szia uram!
I agree! Im also a hungarian!
love hungary from turkey❤
@@bayburtfan russoturk?
@@danilanazarov6965 no its just a soviet joke maan
That time the Magyars tried to pull a Turkey, but couldn't.
Who would they genocide if they could? Romanians in Transylvania?
@@_blank-_ serbs in Vojvodina
@@eSkelegt I assume he's talking about the Armenian genocide... or maybe what happened to the Greeks in Turkish territory? Not sure.
@@_blank-_ "How about everyone" -Some hungarian, probably
@@eSkelegt Though this would today be classified as ethnic cleansing, since the people being actually moved had little to no say in the matter
As a Croat, it's important to make the distinction between lands controlled by Hungary, and lands actually inhabited by Hungarians. The vast majority of our part was never particularly populated by Hungarians, though we shared a king for about 800 years
In a personal union.
The same with Transilvania. Ruled by hungary but hungarians where a minority
@@mateio632 beacuse we weren't a tribe there, and we were looking for a new inhabitable home when we got here.
@@Ffxxxx332 you might be right. At this moment it doesn't matter so much. Things can't be reversed and the most important thing is that we as europeans stick together. Only together we have a chance to matter beside the other large superpowers.
Transylvania was for hundreds of years ruled by Hungary, it was a province of that kingdom, populated by Germans, Hungarians, Romanians etc
Funny enough (and sadly) Hungary had a similar position in WW2. Hungary was embracing anti-communism and nationals but weren’t exactly fans of Nazism. But their trade was almost completely reliant on the Germans and Italians. The Hungarians still preferred the western democracies and republics, but for the sake of reclaiming what many considered rightfully theirs and maintaining their economy, Hungary realized their only option was to ally with the Axis Powers. Hungary constantly looked for a way out of the alliance without sacrifice their sovereignty to Berlin or Moscow, even entering talks with the Western Allies in 1943 to create an anti-communist alliance, but this deal fell through as it caught too much attention from Hitler. Hungary was thus viewed much more favorably by the Western Allies then they were 27 years ago, especially when compared to other Axis powers. There was just one problem though: they were occupied by the Soviets.
Hungary also gave asylum to Jews, respect to Hungary.
Edit: please stop replying to me. I'm just repeating what someone taught me
@@SirTravis-vn6yp and also hungary started to killing them way before hitler.
@@johnstratos9336 proof?
@@tlevi6337 During Horthys rise to Power of his Army commanders started to burn down Jewish buildings in Western Hungary
@@Kirb-kc4vs Exactly which buildings?
At 1:24 it shows a map of Namibia, having been a German colony. It was also Germany's main overseas colony.
Germany: the treaty of versailles is incredibly unfair! Look at how much land we lost!!!
Hungary: dude you serious?
French: ,,This war was terrible! I'm sure the biggest wasteland!"
Poland: ,,There's also me, you know..."
I know, that 1/4 of France was destroyed due to WW1 - but Poland, due to German bombing and Russian scorched Earth tactic was destroyed *entirely.* Most of its major cities (e.c. Kalisz, but not only) were destroyed, it had even a minor famine, and literally no working infrastructure. Not to even mention damage Poland recieved during Polish-Bolshevik War and huge problem with internal cultural division (it's bigger problem than you think - even soldiers of Polish Army weren't using the same uniforms, weapons, or other things. It became an issue during March on Kiev, when Poles had to retreat, as not all soldiers could get ammunition - not to even mention high terrorist rate in Volin due to Ukrainian Nationalists, and strong pollitical division, stronger than in modern _Polish-Polish War)._
it s not as if hungarians weren’t a minority in said lands
@@iok21a or even a small majority in most cases *looks at transylvania which still has a Hungarian majority in parts and a large Hungarian minority in the rest even after being in a nation state that exists for a people who hated them for over a century*
Russia : ironic isn't it !
@@kevincronk7981 source: trust me bro
hungary didnt have the financial backing of James Bisonette to keep its territory.
yeah, it would be better of for them, if they had it.
Bro, I'm dying😂😂😂😂😂
James can fix anything, the guy is such a talent.
This man is so proud he supported 95% of this guys videos
don't forget Kelly Moneymaker
"WW1 was a war of loosers"
US Economy: Well yes, about that...
For everyone involved 😂 USA always arriving late to the party
The US actually had a horrific recession coming out of the war. It was very short-lived, but in the moment it looked to be as bad as the Great Depression would be a decade later.
Switzerland: *laughs in monies*
@@SamAronow Yes, same in other countries, in Canada, all the soldiers went back and could not find any jobs, the women were sent back home and removed from work. Still no jobs, lots of homeless soldiers. It resulted in things like unemployment pensions etc, and a lot of improvements so the mistake was not repeated after ww2.
Then you had the dollar March where thousands of soldiers weren't given their proper pay so that also hurt the American people not only were there no jobs but majority of the expeditionary troops are in debt because they weren't fully paid
I can't blame the romanians nor the french before admitting that we screwed up our own history. When Hungary gained independence from the monarchy, the guy who was elected named Károlyi Mihály refused to fight against the invading Romanians and others, plus when the communists came on power they screwed up more badly, and they were enemies of the entente too, plus we got invaded from 3 sides without a normal army, so yea we fucked it up for ourselves. But it's still unfair.
Romanians invaded lands inhabited by Romanians? What an absurdity!
@@gigikontra7023 i really like the 2 million hungarians that got "fairly" to romania
@@gigikontra7023 might as well think about that before saying such a stupidity
@@Hunnia1028 what?
@@Hunnia1028that's like 1.2 million hungarians, don't forget the other 5 million romanians which live in Transylvania
20 years later*
World allied powers: why Hungary mad tho?
even 100 yrs later :D
@@JoeSanHUN being mad for things happened 100 years ago is kinda stupid
@@silva3658 Do you tell that to black anericans too about slavery?
@@silva3658 Many Hungarians still live as a minority in foreign countries, not by choice but because of Trianon, suffering from prejudice and oppression in their current countries. It's still a very acute problem, not just history.
Just a few days ago, two Hungarian left prison after 5 years, they were sentenced beacuse of terrorism (!). But the fact was their origin, they are Hungarians... 100 years later. Some monthy ago Ukrainian extremists planned to poison the Hungarian's water... And people cries for BLM and such stupid things...
WWI:ends
Everyone looking at Hungary:this enraged the rest of Europe who punished him severely
Eyy oversimplified
@@yaboiuwichanimating6159 yes
If this is not being punished severely, I don't what is.
the irony of it is, hungary was the only nation in the empire that didnt want war
@@bencegyors oh well, 🙃
The treaties ending World War I pretty much assured the outbreak of World War II.
No, the idea that the treaties were unfair led to appeasement which led to WWII.
@@roromil2441 The policy of appeasement had postponed the outbreak of the war by about two years but it was hardly a cause of world war 2.
@@bbenjoe The policy of appeasement didn't start with Chamberlain, that was its apex. It started when Hitler tore up the treaties and nobody did anything about it. Because they were... "unfair". That only emboldened Hitler and allowed him to continue.
@@roromil2441 well, when you look at the treaties, some big parts of it were extremely unfair and the thing that lead to the rise of extremist groups in the first place, the Weimar Republic literally stood no chance of paying off the nations crippling debt and so much infrastructural damage at the same time, which is why it then went the whole inflation idea and further fed the Extremist rhetoric
@@roromil2441 Indeed. First Hitler stopped paying the WW 1 reparations, then he rapidly began to build up the army, then came the Rhineland in 1937 and so on. But Chzeslovakia was the first time where he openly threatened with war.
For those who would like to know more about the etno-national context of Hungary before 1920, in which Trianon happened, down here are some quotes from Oszkar Jászi (1875-1957), The Dissolution of the Habsburg Monarchy (The Univ. of Chicago Press, Chicago, Illinois, 1929 [1964]).
Jászi was a Hungarian social scientist, historian, and politician, active promoter and supporter of the social, political and national reform in Hungary, before WW1. In the October Revolution of 1918, he joined the Károlyi government as Minister of Nationalities. His plan was "to induce the leaders of the various peoples, mainly the Romanians, Slovaks, and Ruthenians, to keep their people within the borders of Hungary by offering them maximum autonomy," but the attempt failed. Oszkar Jászi was a friend of the great Magyar poet Endre Ady, and one of the few Hungarian politicians that was respected among the elites of minorities living in Austria-Hungary, especially among the Romanians.
(pages 168-169)
(page 216)
(pp. 334-335)
(page 293)
(page 305)
(page 320)
(pages 321 - 322)
Yes, the video ignores years of Magyarization by the Hungarians over the many people in then-Hungary who were not Hungarian.
The current borders of Hungary, which were imposed after WWI, left a decent number of ethnic Hungarians outside the border. Today that's still somewhat true, but the impact of 30 years of freedom after the fall of the Iron Curtain means that's less true every year as there's near continuous migration. There are now, in round numbers, about 1mm Magyars in Romania, 0.422mm in Slovakia, 250K in Serbia and 150K in Ukraine (pre war). By contrast, in 1989, there were 163K in Ukraine, 1.625MM Romania (1992), 0.567MM Slovakia (1991) and 343K Serbia (1991). So the number of Hungarians in the surrounding countries is in pretty continuous steep decline.
I AINT READIN ALLAT 🗣🗣🔥🔥🔥🗣🗣
Bro dowlnoaded entire Wikipedia 💀💀
@@thedinogamerchannel This is not school. So, please feel free to skip the "lesson", nobody will care.
Thank you for sharing a conclusive document with valuable evidence presented, and coming from a Hungarian. Very interesting stuff indeed
“Hungary would be punished severely.”
Oversimplified has entered the chat
this enraged The Entente who punished him severely
@@jawed4106 Punishing people severely? There's a tax got that.
@@Teodor18724 Let’s play, spot the fake jawed!
@@TheRandomInfinity did you see him? Easy right? You know who else saw him? Susan
@@mapeditorjon5306 fake jawed: dude
uncool
You should've mentioned the unique situation as to how Hungary lost that small chunk of territory to Austria, and how only the city of Sopron voted to remain in Hungary, which is why it has that panhandle even today
Part of the pre-WWI plans was to open a 'corridor' between the Northern and Southern Slavic territories. That land was later given to Austria instead.
@@magyarbondi You could also argue that what is now the Burgenland was indeed mainly German-speaking, including Sopron, However, since Hungary retained forces and Austria did not, Sopron was kind of occupied. And no, I am not Austrian.
This is due to the help of the "Rongyos Garda" GOD bless them!
But so what's the situation now in the European Union? Is it true that Hungarians are forbidden from going to other EU countries and settling there? Must they live on land which is strictly nominally part of Hungary? Does this have something to do with their religion?
@@gigikontra7023 From where did hear this stuff? i wouldn't call it ridiculous because that would be understatement...it's Simply science -fiction LOL..Hungary is part of EU, and obviouslly hungarians can travel freely to live &work in other countries of EU.. hungarians constitute large minority groups in other countries...beeing the ancesters of people who choose to remain in the territories that they have lived, even If those were taken from Hungary and given to other countries..on just causes.
Trianon was am act of justice witch repaired hundreds of years of austro-hungarian subjugation and plunder of territories witch never trully rightfully belonged to them and were only conquered and stolen by force from other nations.
Therapist: "Clown Admiral Horthy Can't Hurt You. He Doesn't Exist."
Clown Admiral Horthy: 3:01
Edit:
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NOIIICCCCEEE!
I met Miklós Horthy
@@karsentube13yt guten tag Kaiser Franz
@@karsentube13yt When did he die lol
@@mateivictorsandu379 Guten tag
@@marny3559 I died in 1916 and he died in 1957
Why doesn't Turkey have lands of Ottoman Empire? Why France is not one of Napoleon? If you ask any Czech, Slovakian or Croat - they will say that at this time they were under a rule of another country (Austro-Hungarian Empire), basically occupied. It was just another empire that held under it's rule lands of other nations and collapsed like many before it. Reducing this to "Hungary being punished" is like saying that Italy was punished by collapse of Roman Empire.
The Entente: "People have the right to self-determination!"
Also the Entente: "Define 'People.'"
Yeah as seen as in France. In France there is no other nation just French. How sweet, isn't it?
The Czechs, Slovaks, and South Slavs got their nations, while the Romanians took their land in Transylvania back. Pretty cool
@@vulpes7079 Back? Uhh wuhht?
@@vulpes7079 Romania never owned Transylvania ever before the Treaty of Trianon
@@denniswilkerson5536 they were always a majority in most of the region
I find it funny that the Entente powers talked about the right of nations self-determination, yet they kept their colonies...
Self determinacion for other terriories not theirs
It's Entente time
Freedom for me but not for thee.
Shouldn't have though
By the Entente, you mean the US. European colonial powers never supported self determination for that very reason, they didn't want to give any ideas to their subjects. And turns out they were right to be worried too.
Calling WWI a war of losers needs to be standard in every textbook
that's kind of true to every big war, especially the 2 World Wars. f.e. in WW2 the only country without major casualties was the USA, who didn't win much either. England was on the winning side, but was bombed to ground, France was on the winning side, but also lost most of its army, and territory for a while
Romania won
@@raduradu334 Balkan swarthy tiganescu, Romania lost WW1 within record speed.
@@raduradu334 no switzerland won
@@DragonTheOne Switzerland won economically, but was no part in the war. Romania was the biggest winner, as it could restore its natural borders.
I click the video interested about the topic but there is so much knowledge here in short spam of time... O_o I will need to watch it few times in concentration not like now doing some stuff. 1st time on the channel. Stunning job !
Hungarians in 1543: *shakes fist at the sky* "Curse you France!"
Hungarians in 1921: *shakes fist at the sky* "Curse you France!"
Wait what?
1543: The French were actually the biggest supporters of Ottoman Conquest (to weaken Austria). 1921 is self evident.
Very atrocious. You will get your Karma in the future France
Poles in 1653: ,,Haha, take that Russians!"
Poles in 1920: ,,Haha, take that Russians!"
For unrelated: in 1653 Poland-Lithuania won Siege of Suszawa, thus ending Chmielnicki's tries of Ukraine becomming approved in Europe.
@@generalgrievous9987 Karma ? Because you think Hungary is any better ?
Or any country for all it matters. It was just political pragmatism in both cases.
“Treaty of we’re not asking” 😂😂😂
Perfect
Ha
0:43
Emoji police HANDS IN THE AIR!
not really funny
"World War I, was a war of losers, even the winners lost."
The USA, and the Bolsheviks has been real quiet since he said that
Edit: Added Bolsheviks, and also, What in the fuckkity fuck fuck fuck caused World War 3 in the reply section
The US are the only true winner of WW1.
By selling stuff to the Entente, they went from being an unnotworthy secondary power to being the richest and most industrialized country on Earth, and without doing any real fighting at that.
@@solwen They did do some fighting, but I can tell that you're salty so carry on.
The US had actually become the largest economy on Earth by 1900 if not before it, it's just that nobody noticed how powerful they'd become until WW1.
@@solwen "Without doing any real fighting"? They took over 100,000 casualties within a year. America was utterly inexperienced, and unprepared for WWI, much like the other powers. Their tactics, and strategies, were the same bullshit that had been tried, and failed since 1914. A country like Belgium had been fighting the entirety of the war, and received a maximum of 90,000 casualties. Not only does this show America clearly was "doing real fighting", but also that they weren't particularly good at it (compare American successes to German successes in the war).
@@solwen Also Japan.
@@cynicat74 Until they pulled a proto "Rush B" ,a move adopted by the Soviets 30 years later and shaped in what we see today.
However unlike Russians using SMGs,the Americans used Shotguns!
Actually, those aren't the current borders of Hungary, because after they were on the wrong side once again in World War II, the country's territory was reduced *even further* with a little sliver going to Czechoslovakia.
Only 3 villages near Bratislava, but yes.
and yugoslavia
Wrong side - so would you call Stalin the right side?... 😂
@@attilahalmai4590There were two sides in WW2: those with Hitler and those against. The Cold War came after WW2, so yes, Stalin was on the right side in WW2 - the side against Nazi Germany. Newsflash: things can change and did change AFTER WW2.
Yeah, at the same side as Romania and Italy… just Romania switched right before the end, so got a huge part from their prev. ally’s territory (and people)
It was not really about punishment. It was about the winners of the war not wanting a powerful central European country. They wanted small countries squabbling with each other. This is why (despite claiming to want to help other nationalities) the new borders didn't even resemble the ethnic distributions, forming huge enclaves of populations, practically guaranteeing inter-ethnic conflict for many decades to come. This seems like having been done on purpose, to prevent any powerful alliance of central-eastern European countries to form in the future.
Yes, finally someone gets the point.
West European and eastern powers only want to exploit us. If Central-Eastern Europe ever managed to unite for a common cause, West European powers would lose dominance.
Soviets and nazis definetely liked the idea.
@@mastermindd it would never unite anyway and such a state would never endanger the western powers.
@@filipjirovy8557 I didn't mean a united state, I ment a strong alliance, with the least internal division possible.
Divide et impera
Post-WWI Germany: this is the worst peace treaty ever!
Post-WWI Bulgaria & Hungary: oh boo hoo. Let us press F on the world's smallest keyboard.
Most Germans didn’t feel it was the worst peace treaty ever.
Post-WWI Germany: This is serious!
Post-WWI Bulgaria & Hungary: We know. This really is the world's smallest keyboard. See?
Post-WWI Turkey: I'm going to die because of this peace treaty. So long...
Ataturk: hold your horses, I'm going to replace you!
@@vardekpetrovic9716 No, you are wrong. We lost the Aegean coast, which was ours before the war and Strumica and Bosilegrad regions. I think that it's the same with Kosovo and Serbia.
But germany was held almost entirely responsible for war reparations wrecking extreme havoc on it economy and throwing its country into an economic crisis all for a war they didn't start.
0:11 Austria loses WW1 :
gets some land from Hungary :
The French drew the boundaries and they kept the colonies...
The French thought if they give Burgenland to Austria, the relationship between the two countries will be bad, but they were not right.
the Hungarian communist government didn't just "fall"; it was ousted when the Romanian army reached Budapest
After attacking Romania, in order to recover Transylvania, expel all Romanians from the province and give their lands to "Red" Magyar peasants (this was Bela Kuhn's promise to poor Magyar peasants when asking them to join the "Red Battalions"...). As the Bible says, 'those who dig a hole for others, will end up in that hole themselves'.
@@CborgMega Yes, this is the truth. It's pretty saddening how this video makes Hungary seem like a poor innocent country hated by everyone while Hungary is actually one of the most hateful countries in Europe. I think not even Russians hate everyone as much as Hungarians do. Keep posting the REAL truth!
@@graiovskitek84 How do you know if our country is hateful? And spreading truth? Great joke my friend...
@@aronharaszti6334well, because many hungarians spread the hate in comments regarding other countries (their neighbors)
@@graiovskitek84 this might be 2 years old, but you saying this just tells me your more hateful then those supposed hateful hungarians
as my history teacher said when we negotiated with the French about an armistece the hungarian negotiator was like we only exsist as a soverign nation since last thursday and the french said no
That last Thursday part was pretty fucking funny
U were an equal partner in Austria-Hungary, so ofc that u ve existed, since the Austro Hungarian compromise in 1868
@@yonko0454 i know its a joke about trying to avoid responsibility of the dual monarchy
Hungary: aye we only supported a war with Serbia!
Entente: But you supported it
@@yonko0454 "equal" yeah you should really look at the relationship between Austria and Hungary before saying something so stupid. Hungary had to fight multiple revolutions just to get a seat at the table and even then Austria was still in control, although Hungary could choose to be awkward to get what it wanted.
"Everyone loosed, even the winners"
Poland and Finland: "Nach, we don't think we did."
Both lost, see Russia in nest 2 decades.
@@mihaia6026 Russia didn't exist in WW2. And Finland prevented the USSR from annexing it in case you were thinking something else.
RIP English
@@ilmatar6608 USSR
"Union of Soviet Socialist Republics was a confederation of Russia, Belorussia, Ukraine, and the Transcaucasian Federation"
The USSR was predominantly Russia with several other powers about that were also communist
Also Finland wasn't intended to be annexed, Russia just wanted the Mannerheim line and a little beyond for "national security", AKA preventing Germany from being able to use Finnish positions should they try to attack the Soviet Union.
They changed their goal to annexation for a brief time during the war, but for the most part they just wanted to get a few hundred kilometers of Finnish soil during the talks that predated the war by months
Switzerland drinking a cocktail of solid gold: sorry what
I see History Matters has finally made a crossover with Oversimplified.
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@@dapperfield595 There's a tax for that question mark
Ew
@@blackhatfreak Hmmmmm, there's a tax for disliking
Wdym
From a Hungarian, who lives in Romania, and studied very much about this, you explained the "story" very well :D
"From a hungarian, *who lives in Romania* " is a rare line indeed, seeing as most hungarians living there don't consider it romanian teritory.
@@TheLaluciDaniel Yeah, it's so sad that many Hungarian people hate Romania. :C
@@D4rky. true, we're all just hating eachother for the dumbest things, enspecially since the ones to blame for most issues are the ones we put in power, not our regular guy.
@@D4rky. Tényleg van diszkrimináció a magyarok ellen Romániában?
@@fritzier5475 Nem hiszem, én nem tapasztaltam olyant.
History Matters: use "punished severely"
Oversimplified fans: -I can milk you- there's a tax for that
Yeah..
Oversimplified jokes
There's a tax for that
@@KATHLEEN-XM772 Dude!....uncool
@@orango9717 Ohhhhh... There's a tax for that...
We need a collab!
This enraged the Entente, who punished Hungary severely. - OverSimplified
Release the lions
Everyone saying the same thing lol
Hungary: *OOOoOoh NOoOoOo!!!*
Hungary: Dude.
Uncool.
(chosen people)
Hungary at 4th of June in 1920: So how many land gonna i lose?
France: *yes*
Everyone at the table, *Y* *E* *S*
@@goldpaulike5304 nah, everyone else was just apathetic.
@@kevincronk7981 one guy even had a face for asking for Czech Corridor when the land was 1,1 mill ppl out 660k Hungarian 222k Slavs 289 k Germans
If you go to Hungary, you will see merchandise with the old borders for sale just about everywhere.
@hibiscus 😀😀 I’m not from Hungary, I’m not Hungarian - I’m from Finland 🇫🇮 I just visited Hungary two times, and saw this everywhere. First, I didn’t know what it was (I didn’t recognise the shape), but my Hungarian friend told me. I can understand Hungarians can feel sad about it, but as for me, I live in 2022, and totally respect current borders.
Because Hungarians have endured worse, e.g. the Golden Horde or the Turks. We can wait to correct Trianon or until borders will no longer be relevant because of Schengen.
@@stockerpeti your not correcting any borders with nato
@@davidkasquare ok, so Transylvania is to Hungary what Finland is to Russia! Should Russia "get back" its Finland?
I live there and I never saw anything like that. Stop lying
We need an Oversimplified X History Matter collab.
No, we really don't. Watching Oversimplified is a mental torture considering the utterly hysterical skits, puns and jokes every 20 seconds. It simply wouldn't work with deadpan humour of History Matters.
YESSS!!!!! ABSOLUTLEY!!! They should do a charity livestream, (And maybe a possible face reveal).
@@dermotmcquaid3692 Definitely not.
@@heinrichb Oh ok.
@MagicHale0 Nah he gets mad hate you just needa look for it.
One of the big problems in Europe is ethnic spill over. Yugoslavia had it worst with the 90s wars but many Hungarians live amongst other ethnic groups inside those lost territories. Those neighboring countries aren't keen to lose land and won't allow a bigger Hungary. In some cases, they don't even want Hungarian language signs or anything that could be used to claim the land as Hungarian. If the land went back to Hungary, they would have large ethnic minorities inside Hungary so the problem would just be reversed.
Hungarian colonists need to go back to where they can be from. They cause far too much trouble with the majority NATIVE populations. Also many other problems: large unemployment among Hungarians etc. They only want to dominate others
Not exactly because Hungary already have a lot of minor population and we treat them right. Well we can say we treat them like they were hungarians also.
@@dominikbator8585 which is false and not historical.
@@finalfrontier001 What is false my brother? I only wrote facts. We have a lot of minor populations and they have all the rights as we hungarians. Not more not less.
@@dominikbator8585 Hingarian killed and abused all minorities in the empire and there are currently anti immigration laws in Hungry so your statement is false.
I never realized how sore of a topic this was until I visited Hungary a few years back. Our two guides were from native Hungarians from Transylvania who had moved to Budapest. They absolutely hated being from Romania and refused to call themselves Romanian despite growing up within their boundaries. Pretty interesting
Yup, even after more than 100 years the treaty there are still a huge hungarian minority in Slovakia, Serbia, Ukraine and Romania (there are 500 000+ hungarians in Slovakia alone). Most of us don't identify as a slovakian , serbian etc. Even if we were born and raised in these countries. Sometimes we get hate from slovakians, and like every 3 years the goverment comes up with some kind of law to srtrict our language or symbol use, our freedom, but its not unbeareble. The sad thing is that we can't identify as a hungarian neither, most of the people in Hungary don't see us real hungarians. But I'm happy to be in this situation, it's kinda cool to have two cultures, to be bilingual from birth and in recent times it can even be a positive thing to be an ethnic hungarian on the job market or when you try to make friends/pick up a chick. To summerize: I feel like (in Slovakia) we are slowly learning to live together, and things are getting better. Both nations did terrible things to each other but we should look to the future
@@hegyeske1 Here in Croatia we love our Hungarians. They fought with us in the war for the independence of Croatia.
@@hegyeske1 I'm Hungarian, too, and I live in Hun, but I have never met any Hungarian, who said you aren't real Hungarian. Oh. I'm sorry... there are unfortunately some idiots, like András Fekete-Győr (who told some unreal think about you, and it's make me really tense and angry) but the most of people love you.
Ti is magyarok vagytok és büszkék vagyunk rátok, sőt néha az a tapasztalat, hogy nektek sokkal többet jelent a magyarság, mint egyeseknek az anyaországban. Jó látni, hogy még kitartotok és büszkék vagytok. Felejtsd el ezt a marhaságot, hogy nem nézünk igazi magyaroknak. Lehet hogy van néhány hülye hazaáruló, akik hallattatják a hangukat, de ez nem a többség véleménye!
yeah, don't ever call a hungarian from Transylvania romanian. Way to get your ass kicked. I live in the eastern side of Hungary, so we have quite a lot of them in uni, or simply living here.
@@Inferiis they are romanians whatever they like it or not. We had enough of this madness that make people hate eachother 😊 this crap has reached a boiling point in romania
To be fair Croatia was originally in a personal union with hungary and the king of Hungary wasalso the king of Croatia. They had their own parlament who would confirm a new king togeather with the hungarian one. But after the habsburgs came to power (funny enough due to the croatian sabor) they slowly changed that.
Trying to steal Rijeka and giving Hungarians Croatian homes? So much for a personal union...
I've read about pre WW1 Hungary a lot, basically the hungarian people didnt wanted the war and they were ready to give independece to the bigger ethnic groups to stay relatively friendly (or at least good neighbours), but we had a lot of corrupt and power-hungry politicians on the hungarian side and a lot of Hungary-hater politicians on the austrian side. People didnt care for politics, it was the wealthy people's entertainment. So those politicians decisions screwed us. This is happening again, majority of the hungarians dont care and they keep in power whoever is in power now, and those politicians are screwing us over again...
My oh my, politics am I right? Fellow Erik I share sympathies about how politicians tend to scew over the masses. Propaganda is a powerful tool
@@ErikPT not as powerful as we thought it seems,i mean just look at russia,"the west is fighting a violent war in the media while russia is slowly advancing towards it's objective"
Orbán, Viktor will get us out of the European Union and NATO!!
So how much population was Hungarian in Transylvania in 1918?
@@gigikontra7023 all i know is a rough estimate of 1.5 million with lower estimates going 1.2m and highers 1.7m.
Out of how many I have no idea.
The biggest problem is that even purely Hungarian territories got broken off.
All that I aside, i still vouch for a Carpathian Union... the constituent countries (of the Austro-Hungarian Monarchy) should put down an agreement in which they stand up together for deeper cooperation and all. All that these treaties created, besides an unstable region and hatred even to this day, are countries that cant exhert force on the western part of the continent when it comes to certain geopolitical issues that affect us differently than our western friends.
Peace ✌️
Hey guys I’m an aspiring artist and Hungarian. I’m also quite bitter about Hungary’s loss of world war 1. Okay im going to apply to art school now
You're not gonna end up like Hitler 🤣
78 years too late for that
Get rejected my boy and escalate it from there
In the first half I actually tought it's an advertisement...
@@TheTrooper1878 I know right? I thought he was gonna tell us how beautiful maps he can draw lmao
The rediculous part is how Italy got away with everything by just switching sides every time 🤣
Not the only country to do that.
@@FraServitus true, look at Bosnia for starting a World War 🤣
@Crackers 313 ofcourse, it all is a lot more complicated ;)
@@donenzonen Query: isn't Bosnia as a nation didn't exist back then, since Bosnia was part of Austria-Hungary? And the guy who killed the Archduke belongs to a group with strong ties to Serbia, who wants to make a Greater Serbia - which includes Austro-Hungarian ruled territory such as Bosnia, Croatia, Slovenia, Slavonia, Dalmatia, and Vojvodina.
Then again, everyone wants war back then and everyone involved lose, one way or another.
No surprises that someone with such dumb ideas can’t even spell the word ridiculous…
Yo James, if you're reading this, I would just like to personally thank and congratulate you for all of these great videos!
Hungarian writer Sándor Márai once wrote:
"There are worse things than suffering and death... it is worse to lose one's self-respect"
When I hear things related to pride I think of Jesus Christ who was slandered, beaten and let to die slowly on the cross. He shows that has humility is stronger than pride. Pride makes you suffer twice
@yellow screen no
Hungarians are turanian therefore indo-europeanist NAZI 'west' always targeted them such as they treated to Turks.The 'west' has inferiority complex that's why they created fictional aryan ancestor theory which caused millions of deaths... That's why they don't like other civilizations. Believe or not... Even Hungarians forget, 'west' will never forget. They always call magyars as asian... Same for Turks(other turanians), west was also antijapan too until certain defeat of Japan. They see themselves as a superior therefore race like Turanians are obstacle infront of their fictional tales.
But is there something in the Hungarian religion preventing Hungarians from living on land which is not nominally part of Hungary? I'm thinking like Israel or something?
So what exactly did the Hungarians "lose" at Trianon? Because Transylvania at least had majority Romanian population and also the Transylvanian German minority voted to join Romania for fear of genocide by Hungarians. The Hungarians learnt to have same rights and obligations as all citizens. Is that bad? Why?
imagine how Hungary the population was after the treaty and the Hyperinflation
nice pun.
@@mastermindd The Treaty of Trianon and political instability between 1919 and 1924 led to a major inflation of Hungary's currency. In 1921, in an attempt to stop this inflation, the national assembly of Hungary passed the Hegedüs reforms, including a 20% levy on bank deposits, but this precipitated a mistrust of banks by the public, especially the peasants, and resulted in a reduction in savings, and thus an increase in the amount of currency in circulation. Due to the reduced tax base, the government resorted to printing money, and in 1923 inflation in Hungary reached 98% per month.
@Rulya Mórrigan Ard Mhacha That area is no longer in Hungary btw.
@Rulya Mórrigan Ard Mhacha I meant the area Bela Lugosi was from. He was from Lugos/Lugoj in what is now Romania (He based his stage name off of his hometown).
@Step Bro Help I'm Stuck! I have good news for you, hungarian talking gypsies will inherit your country.
The Central Powers would have won if they had James Bisonette
but then his arch rival Kelly Moneymaker would have backed the entante
@@AsbestosMuffins But what about the pastry section?
Nah, James Bisonette and the rest of the H.M.P allies would form their own alliance. Bisonette alone was too good for the Central Powers!
Bisonette hasn't lost a war yet.
Thats funny
Another thought: If the Hungarians had agreed with the Austrians to form a Triple Monarchy, bringing in the Czechs, or perhaps a federated empire with space for all the major minorities, WW 1, or at least the breakup of Austro-Hungary, might have been avoided. That's expecting too much, but it was possible, using Switzerland as a model.
The third nation weren't going to be Czechs, they were going to be the Southern Slavs, Croats, Slovenes, and Bosnians. The Czechs were a content lot, never causing any problems for their German overlords.
@@ssir5927 How about the MILLIONS of Romanians that were used as slaves by Hungarians and always subject to their genocide?
@@ssir5927 aren’t Czechs German
@@theoneblock7107 Kind of? The sudaten used to be, but no longer. The Czechs themselves are Slavs, but have many economic, social and historical links to the Germans.
It could have been possible maybe in some form, but guess what? The Habsburgs were a bunch of inbread and powerhungry douchebags, they only formed the Austro-Hungarian Empire since they saw they can't just break us like the other nations they annexed. We revolted in 1848 and we were close to a brighter future, but they shat themselves and called in the russians. After this incident, they had no choice later on but to include us at least a bit, but they still dominated us pretty much. It's our nation's shame that we let those clowns rule us for centuries.
"How to Balkans"
A quote that will never get old 😂
Because the allies were enraged so they punished Hungary severely
bruh did you not watch the video? it's 3 minutes ffs
@@MeatGoblin88I know so what does that do with the comment?
@@MeatGoblin88 you dont get the reference do you
@@MeatGoblin88 it’s a ✨J o k e✨
@@bjornvanmoorsel9930 Yeah no he doesn't
I really like how your able to some how mix in a bit of facts and cheekiness
I was not taught this in school. After marrying a Hungrian from Transylvania, I have only ever heard the Hungarian side to this. So thank you, very much, for proposing a neutral PoV here that makes complete sense to me.
Ask your wife who was and always had been the by far largest ethnic group in transilvania from ancient times and who despite constituting the minority had always been opressed and subjugated by the austro-hungarian empire..until my country rightfully got back what was and what has always been theirs in the grand union in 1918..
@@asduljambarn7782 Dákóromán XD
@@asduljambarn7782 You might have been taught that this was the case, but I would look at some unbiased sources if I were you
Hungarian side of their history is totally biased and UNtrue
@@gergelyboros8138 *buzicigány
0:24 That is a very weird ethnic map of the Western Balkans-part of the Kingdom of Hungary. It shows the Serbs in the Vojvodina but not in Bosnia, and the Muslim Bosniaks are not shown at all.
The Bosnians at the time were divided by religion, not "ethnic" groups. Bosnian Serbs and Croats are a later construct
@@vulpes7079 I wouldn't agree with that statement but nevertheless, it still makes little sense to show the South Slavs inhabiting what is today Croatia and Bosnia in one solid colour while showing the Serbs in the Vojvodina separately. It would have made sense to either show all the South Slavs (i.e. Croats, Serbs, Bosniaks) in one colour or separate them by ethnic/religious group.
Its also a dishonest one. Half of the territory where the minorities live were actually uninhabited mountains. It was purpousfully colored almost always to justify the new states taking soo much from hungary.
Hungary had 50% of the population and 10% were german who DEFINETLY would want to remain in hunhary and were always treated within hungary as brothers.
So effectively Hungary had 60% of the population of it's formal territory yet it recieved only 33% of the territory 5 million hungarians and close to a million Germans were stranded because of the blatant disregard to ethnic self determination.
After that they were subkected to countless massacres forced deportation and prejudice, while hungarian NOBLES merely didn't let ANYONE else (regardless of ethnicity) rule the new little entente nations actively opressed Hungarians and germans for a century wich ACTUALLY invalidates the entire treaty btw...
Im what word is ethnic cleansing justified just because an authotarian empire did 1 war.
@@sosig6445 in a world where the French write treaties, obviously
1:30 "How to Balkans?"
Does anyone really know?
Transylvania had a 70% majority of Romanian, who even before the war they wanted to break away, because after 1866 Budapest government wanted to assimilate them, and refuse to acknowledge their existence. Budapest government tried to assimilate the German minority too. Romanian loyalty was more towards Vienna than towards Budapest. Read Adventures of soldier Svejk by Hajek to understand attitude of nationalities who weren't German or Hungarian
Good answer.
True
As a hungarian I would say this video is showing a lot of correct information but I would not call it 100% accurate.... my great grandfather fought in the war on the Monarchie side. He was captured and spent 5 years in Russia (now Ukrania territory) as a captive/prisoner working in agriculture. I wish I could attach his photo I just found a week ago in the family stash from 1918 while in captivity.
please don't !
Oh Yes... Just a little work. :D (Malenki robot.) (Ha ugyan jól írtam. XDDD) My great grandfather also taken just a "little work". He was skin and bone when he arrived home. (Fortunately, he was a lucky one.)
Im really interested in individual stories of individuals like him. Especially during ww2
Like god damn your father had such an interesting life
@@Bzgiorno_Bzgiovanna To add to his WWI story - once he got back from Captivity he rcame back to an empty house... his entire family had perished in typhoid along with most of the population of his village... he almost went back to hist captors after that... having nobody left... but then stayed and eventually met my great-grand mother and founded a new family... thats where I come from as well eventually. I recall he was a machine gunner - when they were captured he had denied the fact that he had been the machine gunner (MGs were new back then and operators were delt with in brutal ways due to the high casaulity rate they have caused) By the way we still have his bayonette.
From WW2 perspective my grandfather fought in it... we have been listening to his stories throughout our childhood..
WWI: *ends*
Hungary: *exists*
The rest of Europe: "This enraged the Entente who punished them severely."
Countries that lost wars weren't in position to negotiate..
Turkey: Hold my çay
Nobody realy cared about turkish párt of the Ottoman Empire, the fench and the english had threy slice, and the greeks and italian where in nő positi on to enforce threy dwmands
Ataturk in the end repelled the Allies' invasion in Turkey itself, and got to negotiate because of the fears that Ataturk would form an alliance with the Bolsheviks.
In exchange for keeping its core territories, Turkey would act as a buffer between the Bolsheviks and the European Mandates in the Middle East.
Technically, the Ottoman Empire lost the war, but Turkey won its own war separately.
When you still have a strong military that can repel any invader and even threaten the invader, you can negotiate.
@@tudormardare66 There was already an alliance between Turkish revolutionaries and Bolsheviks that it was them which supplied the new government with weapons and gold in return of ''future grain'' that Turkey delivered in following years. Turkish revolutionaries are often claimed to be nationalist or pro-western by some sources but they both couldn't be more wrong as in reality it had pretty serious socialist influence and followed very similar path after the war with reforms and domestic development projects, also signed trade agreements and a non-aggression pact in 1925. It was stalin who moronically destroyed Turkey-Soviet union relations by claiming rights on the Turkish straits and later on trying to force Turkey to join the war against third reich...
@@ggoddkkiller1342 They even invaded Armenia together.
The problem the Western Powers worried about the most was for the Bolsheviks to invade the Middle East through Turkey.
That's the reason they negotiated with Turkey. Turkey could provide a stable buffer.
@@balintmate4464 italy gave up their claim without a fight and acutlaly helped the Turks with training and ammunitions
I should have known this video existed, but often as someone who enjoys historical map painting based strategy games I look at modern Hungary and Hungary in 1066 and think Jesus, what happened? And now I know.
Poor hungary, fk all the nations that suffered under theyr rule, but poor hungary. What if Austria bitched about Beeing mistreated by losing moravia, how would that sound today?
Shout out to Crusader Kings
what happened to Hungary in 476 ?
Great vid! Thanks for posting!
*Animation of Hungary being ripped apart from all sides*
Look how they massacred my boy
"How to balkans" is a book that should be written asap. There does nit appear to be any person pr institution who can figure this mess out.
As a part of Balkan, we are really lucky what we somehow are part of Europe too. So European superpowers are not really interested in armed conflict near their bordered( I hope so), so even if some tension exist, everyone try their best to don’t escalate things( either way it don’t work always), but it could be so much mess that I am glad with current status quo
@@eugeniucobilas5998 Well, Romania is not really in Balkans, but close to the Balkans and somewhat influenced by the area
I mean Hungary had an effective solution for centuries, altho these days people probably wouldn't like it too much: just conquer them and make it all 1 kingdom
@@kevincronk7981 i bet, at one point this approach become one of the reason why balcan was messed up, rather than helping. I dont speak about Hungary, but about idea to make one big happy kingdom with (insert needed nation) as leader.
As a person born in the middle of the Balkan (in N.Macedonia), I can say that even I can't understand the Balkan sometimes.
So another multi-ethnic state, Yugoslavia was created, We know how that turned out.
At least people's rights were respected
Until communism, of course
@@danc7934 you joking... Right ?
Whereas you clearly don't know s' about yugoslavian history or remained stuck in the 90's
@@sharkywillzy5616 that may be because I am not interested in it's history, but I know how Hungary treated ethnical majorities in the country
@@danc7934 They could get autonomy but they wanted more.
@@adamus1342 greedy? Nope
I find it cool that you can see the old borders of Hungary on a satellite map.
That's mostly because the old borders of Hungary were (mostly) the Carpathian Mountians, and those are still visible
Fun fact after some border exchanges between Poland and Czechoslovakia, Poland holds on to some bits of former Hungarian kingdom.
Well, not all of them were peaceful - in February 1919 Czechoslovak soldiers violated demilitirised zone in Ostrava, starting the Polish-Czechoslovak War (also known as ,,Seven-days War")
@@Admiral45-10 Nope. The conflict began in February 1919 Poland violated the 14 points treaty and invaded Chzechoslovakia, thus starting the Polish-Chzechoslovak war which ended in failiure for Poland
@@dwarow2508
1) Which ones? Name all of them. It surely wasn't treaty of 5th November 1918 considering Ostrava as demilitirised zone (which Czechoslovaks soldiers entered).
2) Yes, we've lost the Polish-Czechoslovak War (just like Ukraine had lost Polish-Ukrainian War it had triggered and Polish-Bolshevik War as well), but as you know so much about it, you can also tell about Czechoslovak war crimes commited on Polish POWs.
@@Admiral45-10
1. There was no actual Chzechoslovak state at all on 5th November 1918. The 14 points treaty regulated and established all borders of Eastern Europe which also strictly made Zaolzie a Chzech province. One that Poland violated by entering it.
2. Yes you indeed lost the Polish-Chzechoslovak war (just like western Ukraine lost the Polish-Ukrainian war that Poland started and just like you lost the Polish-Soviet war that you started), but since you are clearly so wise about this topic, you can tell me more about the Polish crimes on Chzechs, Jews, Ukrainians, Belorussians, Russians and Lithuanians during the period.
The only territorial loss I dont mind Polands could have all of Hungary rn and create Polish Hungarian union
I absolutely love this guy he helps me educate history and geography that’s why I watch him daily
@Dream is fat no
@@SaturatedCat I guess that’s fair but his vids still give me advice
@@SaturatedCat I've watched this channel since the early days and little has changed in his good quality. Only difference is shorter videos now than before but who cares. He has not been sloppy and I doubt he makes that much money from these vids
Not loving James Bissonette. Do you even...?
@@SaturatedCat what was bad abt the belgium vid
"Why was Hungary punished so severely"
Ah, I see what you did there
It would fit more for Turkey.
Hello Habsburg empire, i demand a remake of the Austro Hungarian empire.
What did they do there?
I don't get the pun sorry.
@@MrFaorry “this enraged his father which punished him severely”
@@someguysomeone3543 sadly in case of Turkey allies decided to not finish the roasting.
Hungary keeping its power over its subjects without the might of the austrian empire behind it was never going to happen, and the whole austro-hungarian mess was barely keeping together before the war anyways.
I wish you covered the transition of western Hungary to Austria and the Sopron plebiscite.
After watching this episode I now feel like playing as Hungary in a Total War game; either Medieval 2 or Empire
Try ck2 Hungary is great in that game
Hungary still lives in the middle ages tbh . Dreaming of rolling over all the people's of eastern Europe etc. Ridiculous.
It’s awesome to see Masaryk made in your style!
These videos are great. You're really making history more fun to learn.
To this day, everyone is still trying to figure out "how to Balkans"
As we all of course know Serbia’s claims are not valid, Greece’s are and North Masa-what ever it is called should keep its name bc Alexander the okay was definitely from Greece... aight I’ll go get popcorn BRB
Yugoslavia 2: Electric Balkinagoo
Balkan can't into Balkan
@@CoverCode north Macedonia is bulgarian and during the early 20th century everything east of Thessaloniki was Bulgarian except the coast
@@bulgariandoge2188 no no I’m pretty sure they are just weird speaking Serbs
Well, when one of your patrons is Kelly Moneymaker, you know this channel will be around for a long time.
😂😂😂
0:19 History matters sayed "punished severely"
Now I can die peacefully
His name should be fake history
Hungary: Waaa why is everyone so UNFAIR? 😥 Might doesn't make right!
A few moments later...
France: Hey dude can you like, stop trying to conquer people? Chillax!
They even gave Austria some of its territory even though it started the war.
Entente's so called ideas of self-determination very realized only when Hungary had to lose lands - while ethnically majority German, many Burgenlanders didn't want to join Austria at the time.
@@mastermindd The citizens of Sopron even thought off the Austrian army and it became an independent country for a short while, until it rejoined Hungary.
@@boomerix Yes, it was called 'Lajtabánság' named after the river of Lajta - the former Austro-Hungarian border river.
Actually Serbia started the war
@@tommark3015 Considering Austria-Hungary was politically screwing with Serbia and trying to ruin them economically and pressure them into being annexed, that's not exactly true...
Hungary did have it harsh though. Fighting a war in the east, north, and south. But for Czechoslovakia, Yugoslavia, and Romanias outcome was to crush the communist uprising. But hey, they would all be under communist rule almost 40 years later and the Hungarians leaving the Warsaw Pact.
they never left the Warsaw Pact!
@@johnDoe-st9pj They certainly tried to rather hard. But the Soviets weren't having any of it and crushed it rather brutally.
Imagine being a classic Hungarian officer, he either supports the communists, who fight to keep their country, or the Romanians, who fight the communists, but also work to dismantle Hungary
Which of these is the better choice
@@ihaveadream3321 3,3 million ethnic Hungarians were annexed to enemy countries, whose descendants suffer since from severe racism and oppression, much worse than what the nationalities experienced when they lived in Hungary.
@@norton9216 The people in Transylvania beg to differ. There were a significant number of Hungarians in there, but the population was still in majority Romanian. And while you are right that it was owned by the Hungarians for a long time, there were periods when Transylvania itself was actually independent for a time from Hungary itself.
But as always, the demographics matter the most. The population was in majority Romanian and that's why it was given to Romania after the First World War.
I love this series and the patreons who make it happen, especially The Mcwhopper, booglywoogly, and Charles I.
like how "James Bisanet" is always on top. Must be a rich guy that every week sends enough money to be the greater patreon.
Now I understand why my ethnic Hungarian grandparents immigrated to the US in 1922. She was just 18 and grandfather a few years older. He was a World War I veteran who fought the Russians for the Hungarian kingdom. Their home town is now called by a German name - Unterwart - in what’s now Burgenland, Austria. The town is about five or 10 miles from the modern Hungarian border.
I don't understand that either. When the Monarchy was dismembered, Austria, which started the war, received the part called Őrség/Guard/Burgenland from the Hungarian Kingdom of the Empire. (The border area of the two countries.) The settlement you mentioned is also here, its original Hungarian name: Alsóőr.