Xavier Ramirez It’s really not that good. You get rewarded a raw level 3 for him trying to hit you with it, you duck, then level 3. That’s so bad. Only noobs think it’s that good. There are so many better grabs, it can combo and is an anti air but that’s it. I’ve been playing vegeta blue a lot and I really only find myself using it as a combo tool.
Season 3.5 patch notes. • Standing/Crouching/Jumping Unique/Jumping Down + Unique - Enlarged the move's hitbox. - The move will now be performed even if the heavy attack button is pressed. - Changed the input conditions when performed repeatedly. - Adjusted knockback. - Big Bang Attack, a super attack, or a meteor attack can now be performed if the attack misses. - Adjusted damage. • Crouching Unique Attack - Increased stun time. • Jumping Unique Attack - Adjusted distance moved during the beginning of the attack. - Sped up the move's start up. - Increased the stun time. - Reduced the amount hitstop on hit. - Increased delay. - The trajectory now changes when it's performed in a mid air super attack. - The trajectory now changes when it's performed during a Z Combo. • Super Dash Kick - Increased the amount of additional damage dealt by followup attacks after the heavy version. • Super Dash Kick: Followup 1 - Increased the stagger time and stun time. • Super Dash Kick: Followup 1 (Medium) - Increased the move's damage. • Super Dash Kick: Followup 2 - Adjusted knockback during camera shift. • On A Scale Of One To Ten, I'll Give You A Three - Reduced recovery when the attack misses. • On A Scale Of One To Ten, I'll Give You A Three (Light) - Sped up the move's start up. - Increased the duration of the attack. • Niagara Pummel - Increased the distance moved during the attack. - Extended the move's hitbox upward. - Distance moved now changes based on distance from the opponent. - Adjusted the camera shift when performing additional input. - The character can now move before landing when additional input hits the opponent. • Final Flash - Sped up the move's start up.
Dragon Ball Fighter Z, a fighting game where a God of Destruction, the strongest person in universe 11, and a Super Saiyan Blue are all bottom 5 in the game Edit: Well I'm glad I'm wrong now
I honestly really like that. I hated how all the other DBZ fighters had hundreds of characters yet they used canon power levels so everyone just picked the same two or three villains + Goku & Vegeta.
u/Stamion83 on reddit wrote up a really good, long response to this video. there is a lot of valuable insight in here, especially if you want to play vegeta blue despite his shortcomings. here it is : "Hey man I appreciate the video and the editing style as whole and I left some points in a comment you most likely won’t see on RUclips due there being 20+ washing them over imma put them here Combo wise he has FULLSCREEN coast to coast route that's only 0.5 bar, and he is able to continuously get sliding knockdowns with his command grabs even after a ground DR and a jH that does a smash. As for the super dash kicks, they are rekka kicks meaning you can go from light into medium and that’s really where he can shine since he can call an assist for a good 50/50 post medium kick due to how high up you are launched. Also medium kick give mind games after a 5S since you can choose to reset or bait the enemy's reflect and punish with a 2M/2H-TOD. The same applies after the first medium kick since blocking it can prompt people to think "I'll reflect THIS medium kick now" but you choosing to skip it and baiting their reflect can lead to a punish with an air dash jL. It's worth mentioning that not all is lost with the Ex kicks due the fact that the second follow up is gapless and gives the height of a medium kick which we know is used for mixups post assist call. So it's really good for pulling stuff of your ass when you find yourself in the corner and you wanna be ambiguous with your options. 236H is decent round start cheese imo but all in all, nobody fw the third Ex kick its just bad. As for the command grabs they weren’t to be showing his “grappling side” but to give SKD options post smash jH which is hella rare. Like I mentioned earlier, "he is able to continuously get sliding knockdowns with his command grabs after a ground DR and even a jH that does a smash". Knowing this, you can get proper set play after long corner routes. Also I felt it was unfair to compare Galick gun and Niagara since Galick gun its to keep very dependent on Niagara to do what it can't mid screen. But at least it has its own qualities to somewhat make up for it. For example, it is good DHC wise with Tien, quick supers, and Spirit bomb and it does slightly more damage. Think of it like this, Galick gun being useless is like saying Teen Gohan’s motionless kamehameha is useless since it needs to be done in the corner. However, he has coast to coast routes at his disposal so that’s his crutch and to put it simply Niagara is the mid screen crutch. And as for the lvl 3, looking cool or not, full screen waves are way more dependable for punishes compared to a flashy strike. How many times have you wanted cuck that one GT Goku or Cell player that only knows to do air Kamehameha into vanish. What you are going to do? Run under him like and switch sides like a sensible person? Vanish? Screw that noise, SHOW HIM WHO HAS THE BIGGER BEAM AND EXTRA BAR TO SPEND! P U N C H D A T T O P T I E R S U C K A At the end of the day I appreciate the video, and the effort to entertain/inform us during this of crisis. Stay safe king"
I'd like to say third EX can also be used for coast to coast combos. It's mostly useless but sometimes double key blast into medium reckas isn't enough to take the corner but the 3rd ex will always Guarantee it and also give you skd always. Also his ki blasts allow for loops in the corner both sparking and non sparking( pretty tough) but still they exist.
Yeaaaaaaaaaaa Vegeta blue evolution besides can't also just be mui Goku there also has to be a Vegeta and if not he has a big chance if they add Moro arc Vegeta to fighterz he could be a really good support just saiyan *wink*
I don't even play this game, but these are really some great videos you're pushing out. Good presentation with some humor, and snappy editing throughout.
You should do a vid on 17, he's an S tier in disguise. The amount of mixes and combos and shits you can do with that man if you know how to play him right is ridiculous.
17 whole reason for existing is mix and combos. The thing is if you have a sharp eye and good reaction time it's not hard to block his rukas ( 236 moves and 214 moves)
He is actually easy to counter if you have someone with an op auto combo ( Bardock, Base Goku, Janemba) where you don’t need to jump to confirm a L hit ( on his overhead move in the rekka). He is still pretty good though A or B tier.
I love this character and he's definitely aimless. I've had some AH HA moments in the lab, thinking I figured out how to play him in neutral, or mix, but it always ends up being way more situational once I revisit it. Cell has some, interesting(?) Extentions off big bang, but like, why not just have a beam or vegeta ssj or bardock b. I think they could balance him by just giving him crazy meter gain. Like imagine if you got a grab and it gave you a whole ass bar. I wouldn't care if it didnt hit croutchers. Any time I trick people into getting snagged it always feels better than just command grabbing with Broly or Base Goku.
I'm having those "AH HA" moments with him as well (albeit, I'm not as in depth as most players as I'm still a newbie) and it feels great. It also puts a smile on my face to hear you mention Cell since he's also on my team, along with Kid Buu, so now I'm excited!
I used to main vegeta blue and now that you mention it, meter gain wouldn't be too bad of an idea. Maybe not a whole bar for a grab though lol but more meter gain would definitely help compensate and I would definitely pick back up the character and play around with it.
Alot of wrong information in this video. I think you should lab this character more carefully. Here is a small list of corrections: 1. The medium rekkas don't have a massive gap. The gap is under 4f, so you cannot vanish out of them or 2H it. Small gap, not massive. 2. The first ex Rekka does not only 100 more damage, it increases the damage on the follow-up as well. You didn't even mention the range it has. 3. That's not how you use the 2nd ex Rekka. Like, at all. The gap is not massive yet again. 4. Didn't even talk about the last ex Rekka... 5. Since when are 20f grabs slow? Not that they are supposed to be used in blockstrings like that anyway. 6. Yes, it whiffs on crouchers. Not the only grab in the game that whiffs on crouchers, it's not supposed to be used like Broly's grabs, he is not a grabbler. 7. You say Goku Blue's 17f grab is fast, but said earlier Vegeta Blue's Rekkas are slow? You know they are 17f too, right? 8. The kiblasts aren't slow, they have normal speed. Trainingsmode has even framedata now. 9. No Kiblast is "just a combo tool". That's just misleading. 10. Garlic Gun is not useless, it does more damage than Niagara-super and is the go-to super-ender for that reason. 11. You can land Garlic Gun midscreen without ex grab (or any grab for that matter). You just need to dash forward. The edits are funny, entertaining video if I would just take it as entertainment. Sadly, the quality of the content and what is presented is very misleading and at some places just straight-up lies or lack of proper lab time with the character. I suggest you spend a bit more time with the character, actually lab what he is capable of doing. Or ask someone who knows the character. Have a good day!
The fact that he has the general Vegeta normals makes him mid tier at least, his mix got nerfed in S2 actually, which is plain stupid, he used to get better mix off of his rekkas, it's still loads better than like half the cast though. He has some mind games off of the rekkas and contrary to popular belief, his neutral isn't that bad if you know when and where to use his big bang attack. Certainly not the worst in the game by far. Let's look at Base Vegeta, what makes B Vegeta better than Blue Vegeta? Literally 2 things, Ex kick and better ki blasts. This means Blue Vegeta is like 2 minor buffs away from being top tier, if they'd maybe just buff his rekkas a bit more in neutral and gave him a grounded spammable kiblast like B Vegeta and SSJ have.
Galick gun IS pretty useless though. Barely does more damage than niagara on paper, but niagara can be combo’d ( i like to super dash into a Big Bang into a C assist (goku blues) And dhc galick gun can miss
@@alberttaylor6323 Niagara post-smash has double-super penalty. So no, you cannot replace Garlic Gun with Niagara. If you dont want to DHC further and just kill with the 1 super of Vegeta Blue, Niagara will do more tho, that's right (but also only if you are in the corner and HSD allows to connect anything meaningful). If DHC Garlic Gun misses for you, then you just need to practise and lab better DHC routes. It never misses for me.
It's really sad though, seeing this it just ruins my view of him. Since i am a HUUUUGE Vegeta fan i have a Vegeta team whenever i'm in the mood, and since i'm poor as all hell i just run the free Vegetas so no Base Vegeta. Future Trunks (Technically Vegeta), Super Vegeta, Blue Vegeta. But back to the point, i'll keep this mind and try to be careful whenever i play as him. If only i did have Base Vegeta though. Also great video, good job, and keep it up!
thanks dude! not sure if you put your team in order there, but you should stick vegeta blue at the front. he's not great but point is still his best role by far
Backboarding off of moldy's statement.....he is completely correct In my experience laying him He does remind me about the universe 6 vs. 7 ark When vegeta fought hit He went all out in the beginning.
I feel like the reason behind this character's aimless design is because of where the show was at when the game came out. How many full fights did vegeta blue have by this game's launch, which I believe was midway through the zamasu arc? He was either beating the tar out of somebody much weaker than him or getting annihilated, there wasn't really a moment that showed him equal with someone. I mean, the "on a scale of one to ten" move was just based on a quick moment while he was training with trunks, I'd hardly call that important enough to become a main part of his toolset.
No it came out during the Tournament of Power but was likely being developed as the Black Arc was coming out. Up to that arc, Blue Vegeta had a total of 4 actual fights which were - Pummeling Golden Freiza - Getting destroyed by Hit - losing to Goku Black in their 1st fight - destroying Goku Black in their 2nd fight He had a few sparing sessions and assists like training with Trunks before they went back into the past and pushing away Fused Zamasu's blast with Trunks.
@@genericwhitemale9566 Yeah, all of those were, in my words from a year ago, him beating the tar out of somebody much weaker than him or getting annihilated. There were never really many opportunities for Vegeta Blue to really showcase any unique moves in that time, whereas if it was developed post-ToP they'd have a lot more to work with
I've seen this somewhere else, but maybe give him Blue Evolution as a level 3, which acts like a Golden Frieza type of thing. It could also include SSJBE Vegeta in the game without using a character slot.
I’ll always feel a part of this is the issue of having the 3 Gokus and Vegetas early on in the game Ultra Instinct Goku didn’t have these kinda problems but the other all use similar attacks and animations from each other and when there are even a select few abilities and just general ideas they could’ve pulled from later on in Super or even in the Broly movie too bad the Super manga was opted to be completely ignored too all this kinda subject to when this game originally was in development
How can you say he's bad? I have a 123828% win rate and a Blue Evolution rank using him as a point...you just need to gitgud or adjust your gameplan - Every fanboy ever
I don’t think he is the worst, I just think all of low tier characters (Ginyu, Jiren, 17, Beerus, etc.) is just “meh” to me. I won’t lie, I love playing Jiren, but I don’t just brush off his counters, they still suck. All in all, I just think that it doesn’t matter who you pick. If you have fun playing them, then that makes them good for you (at the very least)
I love videos like this, were the creator doesn't feel the need to talk to fulfill their ego to "be heard and have a voice and not hide behind a screen". Well edited, funny, great soundtrack and understanding of the information being presented. Awesome work.
Ya'll check this out: ruclips.net/video/a9Dp9w7JTkY/видео.html This guy counters most of the points made in this video. If you lab him you will find out that he is pretty OD.
I think that if a sequel ever gets made, they should consolidate the clone characters into 1 or 2 max. Take the best parts of all of them and leave out the underwhelming parts. Maybe even make transformations a mechanic. The roster would be much smaller, but each character would feel more unique.
I mean tier lists are just opinions who is a good character and who is not. but even if you play with your favorite there is no problem. *cough* I’m main black *cough* but if you want to play with the worst character in the tier lists you can who said you can’t? As I said tier lists are just opinions of who is a good character for facts like the frames and combos. But I repeat it isn’t like that character doesn’t exist.
"On a scale of one to ten, I give you a three!!" Can be useful for round start, snap those jumping oponents out of the air and also has ki blast deflect like if it was a super dash
I love all the online ranked players talking shit lmfao there’s a reason he’s not really seen at the pro level... people who play the game professionally would know about the character more than online players even if they don’t play them...
Huh. Always wondered how people come to these conclusions about fighting game characters. Like, I know ABOUT frame data, wind ups, punishing, etc. but I've never really had it explained side by side like this. Incredibly informative and I don't even play the game, lol!
He made a new video talking about how Vegeta blue is now, and it’s easily better than this one is in terms of quality, which is saying a lot considering how great this video is already. Vegeta’s improved in the last 9 months, and so has Moldy’s editing.
Vegeta blue mains rise up. I rather main him than main braindead glue eating LLLLLLLL vegito, teen gohan and bardock. He does need some significant changes tho
This whole video is pretty much cap tbf he hasn’t shown his basic bnbs that actually does damage and his vegeta blue loops that’s pretty practical he’s just showing us impractical meter dump combos.
El Dorito right, that’s sort of why the comparison makes a good argument that Blugeta is the wrong way to do it and DBZ Broly is the right way to do it.
@@luhloieed6466 well that's why he is an ineffective grappler since his command throws are not usable in strings like DBZ Broly, Bluku, DBS Broly, etc. And arguing that the throw is just suppose to be an SKD option doesn't make sense because then they just woulda made it a move similar to that of a bluku dive kick of gt goku qcb move (i forget the name). Because it is specifically a grab it feels like their intention was to allow him to use it conventionally to mix but it really only works on up tech or snap.
Lloyd Lozandier you’re right, but that proves the point I’m trying to make. When making a fighting game if you create multiple characters that fit a similar sub category, but one is dramatically less effective at his intention than the other, he won’t be played. Because Bluegeta is just a shell of the other characters in his sub category of semi zoner semi grappler he’s pretty bad just for lacking those tools. I think we agree, we are just getting caught up in semantics like move sets and stuff.
bruh I have this game and wow there so much to learn and I havent even tried online once I'm probably the biggest noob out there and I own the 1st 2 figherz pass
@@cagewaters4910 okay well his choke slam starts combos, his rekka kicks create a high low mix, big bang attack is an amazing anti homing dash tool that starts huge damage combos on the ground, second hit of rekka kicks EX gets a side switch and he's the only character with an air level 5. Obviously he has stubby normals sure and he's a point character with little assist value outside of specific synergies but someone like 17 or ginyu are much less complete packages
Did you even watch the video? His choke slam doesn't hit crouching opponents, his kicks besides light are 100% reactable on block and you even have time for a level 3 between them, EX kick uses a bar for every kick, big bang is an average anti-homing tool at best, and his combos take way too much meter to get the effect that good characters get with way less meter.
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HE HAS BEEN BUFFED SIGNIFICANTLY WOO
I knew you would comment
Lol
I wanna main him now
But this video is still pretty funny XD
He still can't grab crouching opponents, but atleast they made the light version's start up the same as the Heavy one
Me, doesn’t even own a copy of the game
“That grab is ass”
You know its a terrible grab when you dont even have to play the game to know its bad
Least don't have to worry about accidentally pressing heavy. Yes Jiren i'm looking at you
@@VIIBars its good. Only noobs shit on it
Xavier Ramirez It’s really not that good. You get rewarded a raw level 3 for him trying to hit you with it, you duck, then level 3. That’s so bad. Only noobs think it’s that good. There are so many better grabs, it can combo and is an anti air but that’s it. I’ve been playing vegeta blue a lot and I really only find myself using it as a combo tool.
@@EnderGoku9001 omg if vageta's grab is ass then jiren's grab is ass cancer
Me, who doesn't even play fighterZ: *interesting*
Same
Same
Can relate.
I have it, but haven't played it in months. Thinking of trading it in.
@@NaythonCross yeah it's just a easy mode Mvc3
Vegeta Blue: "Brother(s), may I have some lööps?"
Vegeta and ssj Vegeta: "Nö."
5S 5L links and can be looped. Play the character before you talk ignorant shit.
@@luhloieed6466 Some people talking here have never seen a blugeta match in their lives.
@@rau3412 There's a little something called a jOkE my dude
@@YakuzaKiritoKazama and there is this
Or just raw lvl 3 -_-
My dad at the grocery store: “hey can you weight these apples on that scale real quick?”
Me: *O N A S C A L E O F 1 T O 10...”*
*I ' L L G I V E Y O U A T H R E E*
For some reason this is so accurate
*Is ThAt AlL?*
Me watching big hero 6: *nice*
Me hearing be max say on a scale of 1 to 10: *I ' l l g I v e y o u a t h r e e*
AILL GIVR YOU A THREE
The best part of the character is the *YAHH* every time he does the level 1
You ain't lying
nah dont forget bro... *ON A SCALE OF ONE TO TEN-*
@@deeznuts9886 I'll give u a 3🤣
On a scale of one to ten, YAHHHH
Vegeta: But there's one thing a Saiyan always keeps: HIS PRI-
*Yamcha S tier*
Vegeta: nvm lol
**Laughs is base vegeta**
@@theeagle7552 **laughs in krillin**
@@Not_Claptrap *laughs in nothing*
(Laughs in Super Baby 2)
**Laughs in SSJ4 Gogeta**
Season 3.5 patch notes.
• Standing/Crouching/Jumping Unique/Jumping Down + Unique
- Enlarged the move's hitbox.
- The move will now be performed even if the heavy attack button is pressed.
- Changed the input conditions when performed repeatedly.
- Adjusted knockback.
- Big Bang Attack, a super attack, or a meteor attack can now be performed if the attack misses.
- Adjusted damage.
• Crouching Unique Attack
- Increased stun time.
• Jumping Unique Attack
- Adjusted distance moved during the beginning of the attack.
- Sped up the move's start up.
- Increased the stun time.
- Reduced the amount hitstop on hit.
- Increased delay.
- The trajectory now changes when it's performed in a mid air super attack.
- The trajectory now changes when it's performed during a Z Combo.
• Super Dash Kick
- Increased the amount of additional damage dealt by followup attacks after the heavy version.
• Super Dash Kick: Followup 1
- Increased the stagger time and stun time.
• Super Dash Kick: Followup 1 (Medium)
- Increased the move's damage.
• Super Dash Kick: Followup 2
- Adjusted knockback during camera shift.
• On A Scale Of One To Ten, I'll Give You A Three
- Reduced recovery when the attack misses.
• On A Scale Of One To Ten, I'll Give You A Three (Light)
- Sped up the move's start up.
- Increased the duration of the attack.
• Niagara Pummel
- Increased the distance moved during the attack.
- Extended the move's hitbox upward.
- Distance moved now changes based on distance from the opponent.
- Adjusted the camera shift when performing additional input.
- The character can now move before landing when additional input hits the opponent.
• Final Flash
- Sped up the move's start up.
@Kasumi Yoshizawa wouldnt say exactly top tier but he's SO much better now
@Kasumi Yoshizawa he's in my online team with ssjb goku and majin buu
Vegeta: *Notices that he’s not almost useful* Bandai Namco. I need help!
he's my most favorite character now
This is the longest comment
Dragon Ball Fighter Z, a fighting game where a God of Destruction, the strongest person in universe 11, and a Super Saiyan Blue are all bottom 5 in the game
Edit: Well I'm glad I'm wrong now
strongest person in all
The universes*
And Yamcha is top tier.
Jiren deserves to suck but why they gotta do beerus like that?
Yeah. I'll say. And yamcha, who's a joke in the dbz series, is godlike in this game.
I honestly really like that. I hated how all the other DBZ fighters had hundreds of characters yet they used canon power levels so everyone just picked the same two or three villains + Goku & Vegeta.
You see thats where you're wrong
Ginyu can become any top tier
this is the reason why u never play ginyu but atleast know how to play him
Isn't ginyu top tier by himself already ?
simon gilliard no, low tier
Ginyu has some good tools and saucy combos but that is literally it. He is really fun to play though
*l e v e l 3*
"There's still hope"
Yeah. It's called Blue Evolution.
1DAR26 if he is added I hope arcsys can fix his hard to look at aura
completely remake blue vegeta to make them evolved. itd be a really sick update, and make a pretty bad character actually really good.
SSG vegeta
Yup ! Hope for the new DLC
Please god no more reskins of goku or vegeta
1:58 goku has stooped so low from biting a persona tail to straight squaring them in the nuts
What is that pfp
Sauce?
goku has bit a lot of people, your gonna need to specify
@@thesleeperpick9784 frieza 2 times as well
@@white-eyesbluedragon1767 oh ok
Jesus when Vegeta pulled out the gat I audibly went “....WHAT??”
i know his season 3 buffs are wild
Nice.
This video: "Blue Vegeta sucks because of technical mumbo jumbo"
Me: "Big beam go boom boom"
But big bang attack isn't a beam 😐
@@GreatATheOne Well whatever it is go boom boom
Great A
Galick gun is
Blue Vegeta sucks because you could just play Yellow Vegeta.
@@GreatATheOne ok nerd
3:48 more main character privileges
0:46
Me watching and considering ssgss is trash
I like goku blue but I hate vegeta blue in both anime and DBFZ(3.5 patch) he is a freakin threat.
To be fair, dbfz came put before vegeta got ssbe and considering blue vegeta did fuck all a final flash is probably the only thing he could do
This is pretty much the reason why he's abused in Shoyoumomo's videos.. *He exists only to be bullied.*
Blue only
Supposedly powerful blue-haired anime beings are to be bullied.
No idea Damn..
Y i k e s
Poor vegeta lol
the only thing vegeta blue players do is spam big bang when ur trying to close in
I suffer in my friend hands because of this... Not a big day
And a lot of characters get in and with a big ass punish just with half a bar like Blueku, Trunks and Cell as examples
Im blugeta player and... this is true 99% of time xd
I barely use big bang and I play blue vegeta all the time
Yeah maybe in the low ranks, where you belong.
Stay low tier my friend..
It’s funny how at the end of his level 5 he says “WORTHLESS PIECE OF JUNK”
Ironic.
This didn't age well
I really wish Bandai will buff him since he is one of my favorite characters and one of the characters I use the most.
edit: ok, Bandai, not Banday.
yeah i feel like his kit needs to be altered so some of his move aren't literally just combo tools
*ArcSys. BAMCO is just the publisher.
Blue vegeta is good. Maybe if you grind him out more than 1 day?
whYLiE09 no he really isn’t. I’ve mained him for a while and I swapped him for someone else because he wasn’t doing it for me. He needs a buff
@@camz_205 get good.
u/Stamion83 on reddit wrote up a really good, long response to this video. there is a lot of valuable insight in here, especially if you want to play vegeta blue despite his shortcomings. here it is :
"Hey man I appreciate the video and the editing style as whole and I left some points in a comment you most likely won’t see on RUclips due there being 20+ washing them over imma put them here
Combo wise he has FULLSCREEN coast to coast route that's only 0.5 bar, and he is able to continuously get sliding knockdowns with his command grabs even after a ground DR and a jH that does a smash.
As for the super dash kicks, they are rekka kicks meaning you can go from light into medium and that’s really where he can shine since he can call an assist for a good 50/50 post medium kick due to how high up you are launched. Also medium kick give mind games after a 5S since you can choose to reset or bait the enemy's reflect and punish with a 2M/2H-TOD. The same applies after the first medium kick since blocking it can prompt people to think "I'll reflect THIS medium kick now" but you choosing to skip it and baiting their reflect can lead to a punish with an air dash jL. It's worth mentioning that not all is lost with the Ex kicks due the fact that the second follow up is gapless and gives the height of a medium kick which we know is used for mixups post assist call. So it's really good for pulling stuff of your ass when you find yourself in the corner and you wanna be ambiguous with your options. 236H is decent round start cheese imo but all in all, nobody fw the third Ex kick its just bad.
As for the command grabs they weren’t to be showing his “grappling side” but to give SKD options post smash jH which is hella rare. Like I mentioned earlier, "he is able to continuously get sliding knockdowns with his command grabs after a ground DR and even a jH that does a smash". Knowing this, you can get proper set play after long corner routes.
Also I felt it was unfair to compare Galick gun and Niagara since Galick gun its to keep very dependent on Niagara to do what it can't mid screen. But at least it has its own qualities to somewhat make up for it. For example, it is good DHC wise with Tien, quick supers, and Spirit bomb and it does slightly more damage. Think of it like this, Galick gun being useless is like saying Teen Gohan’s motionless kamehameha is useless since it needs to be done in the corner. However, he has coast to coast routes at his disposal so that’s his crutch and to put it simply Niagara is the mid screen crutch.
And as for the lvl 3, looking cool or not, full screen waves are way more dependable for punishes compared to a flashy strike. How many times have you wanted cuck that one GT Goku or Cell player that only knows to do air Kamehameha into vanish. What you are going to do? Run under him like and switch sides like a sensible person? Vanish? Screw that noise, SHOW HIM WHO HAS THE BIGGER BEAM AND EXTRA BAR TO SPEND! P U N C H D A T T O P T I E R S U C K A
At the end of the day I appreciate the video, and the effort to entertain/inform us during this of crisis. Stay safe king"
This dude should have made a video about what his talking about , his talking sense
Pin this please
@@luhloieed6466 you got an invite, trying to get better and hopefully the discord could help
I'd like to say third EX can also be used for coast to coast combos.
It's mostly useless but sometimes double key blast into medium reckas isn't enough to take the corner but the 3rd ex will always Guarantee it and also give you skd always.
Also his ki blasts allow for loops in the corner both sparking and non sparking( pretty tough) but still they exist.
U dont know what u talking about blue vegeta has loops u just suck at the game or character
to think that beerus, jiren and 17 were once considered the worst characters in the game is such a crazy thing considering they're top tiers nowadays
"I need help!"
"What the hell was that"
He does. Literally.
@@Rationalist101 he has been asking for help since day one and never got it 😔
"WHAT!?"
What the hell is going on??!!
Pls buff little blu man arcsys
pls at least before white hair goku comes pls
A buff would be nice. Then I could win with him even more than I already do. Please arcsys 🙏
Crouching in stealth games be like
2:13
Been saying they should’ve done this character over there’s so many moves he did in the anime that could separate him from the ssj vegeta
The lid isnt closed there is still hope
But I kinda am hoping ssbe is a dlc vegeta that's my favorite
Yeaaaaaaaaaaa Vegeta blue evolution besides can't also just be mui Goku there also has to be a Vegeta and if not he has a big chance if they add Moro arc Vegeta to fighterz he could be a really good support just saiyan *wink*
I don't even play this game, but these are really some great videos you're pushing out. Good presentation with some humor, and snappy editing throughout.
thank you!
Blugeta voice line should be changed to "On scale from one to ten I'll give me a 3"
You should do a vid on 17, he's an S tier in disguise. The amount of mixes and combos and shits you can do with that man if you know how to play him right is ridiculous.
17 whole reason for existing is mix and combos. The thing is if you have a sharp eye and good reaction time it's not hard to block his rukas ( 236 moves and 214 moves)
He has good mix but they are unsafe
any time I play a good 17 main they fuck me up beyond recognition
He is actually easy to counter if you have someone with an op auto combo ( Bardock, Base Goku, Janemba) where you don’t need to jump to confirm a L hit ( on his overhead move in the rekka). He is still pretty good though A or B tier.
Let's not forget THE METER THIS DUDE BUILDS.
For real, during sparking it feels like at every combo he'll build up to 4 bars at least
I love this character and he's definitely aimless. I've had some AH HA moments in the lab, thinking I figured out how to play him in neutral, or mix, but it always ends up being way more situational once I revisit it. Cell has some, interesting(?) Extentions off big bang, but like, why not just have a beam or vegeta ssj or bardock b. I think they could balance him by just giving him crazy meter gain. Like imagine if you got a grab and it gave you a whole ass bar. I wouldn't care if it didnt hit croutchers. Any time I trick people into getting snagged it always feels better than just command grabbing with Broly or Base Goku.
I'm having those "AH HA" moments with him as well (albeit, I'm not as in depth as most players as I'm still a newbie) and it feels great. It also puts a smile on my face to hear you mention Cell since he's also on my team, along with Kid Buu, so now I'm excited!
I used to main vegeta blue and now that you mention it, meter gain wouldn't be too bad of an idea. Maybe not a whole bar for a grab though lol but more meter gain would definitely help compensate and I would definitely pick back up the character and play around with it.
0:46 OH SHIT, GAMERS, HE'S GOT A GUN!!!
Alot of wrong information in this video. I think you should lab this character more carefully. Here is a small list of corrections:
1. The medium rekkas don't have a massive gap. The gap is under 4f, so you cannot vanish out of them or 2H it. Small gap, not massive.
2. The first ex Rekka does not only 100 more damage, it increases the damage on the follow-up as well. You didn't even mention the range it has.
3. That's not how you use the 2nd ex Rekka. Like, at all. The gap is not massive yet again.
4. Didn't even talk about the last ex Rekka...
5. Since when are 20f grabs slow? Not that they are supposed to be used in blockstrings like that anyway.
6. Yes, it whiffs on crouchers. Not the only grab in the game that whiffs on crouchers, it's not supposed to be used like Broly's grabs, he is not a grabbler.
7. You say Goku Blue's 17f grab is fast, but said earlier Vegeta Blue's Rekkas are slow? You know they are 17f too, right?
8. The kiblasts aren't slow, they have normal speed. Trainingsmode has even framedata now.
9. No Kiblast is "just a combo tool". That's just misleading.
10. Garlic Gun is not useless, it does more damage than Niagara-super and is the go-to super-ender for that reason.
11. You can land Garlic Gun midscreen without ex grab (or any grab for that matter). You just need to dash forward.
The edits are funny, entertaining video if I would just take it as entertainment. Sadly, the quality of the content and what is presented is very misleading and at some places just straight-up lies or lack of proper lab time with the character. I suggest you spend a bit more time with the character, actually lab what he is capable of doing. Or ask someone who knows the character.
Have a good day!
TALK TO HIM!!!!
He gets off way more damage than normal characters. His ex cancel super does so much damage if used right
The fact that he has the general Vegeta normals makes him mid tier at least, his mix got nerfed in S2 actually, which is plain stupid, he used to get better mix off of his rekkas, it's still loads better than like half the cast though. He has some mind games off of the rekkas and contrary to popular belief, his neutral isn't that bad if you know when and where to use his big bang attack. Certainly not the worst in the game by far. Let's look at Base Vegeta, what makes B Vegeta better than Blue Vegeta? Literally 2 things, Ex kick and better ki blasts. This means Blue Vegeta is like 2 minor buffs away from being top tier, if they'd maybe just buff his rekkas a bit more in neutral and gave him a grounded spammable kiblast like B Vegeta and SSJ have.
Galick gun IS pretty useless though. Barely does more damage than niagara on paper, but niagara can be combo’d ( i like to super dash into a Big Bang into a C assist (goku blues)
And dhc galick gun can miss
@@alberttaylor6323 Niagara post-smash has double-super penalty. So no, you cannot replace Garlic Gun with Niagara. If you dont want to DHC further and just kill with the 1 super of Vegeta Blue, Niagara will do more tho, that's right (but also only if you are in the corner and HSD allows to connect anything meaningful).
If DHC Garlic Gun misses for you, then you just need to practise and lab better DHC routes. It never misses for me.
They have to stay accurate to the anime.
Vegeta Blue:I HAVE NO WEAKNESSES
SSJ Vegeta and Sayian Saga Vegeta:*Shows him Fighterz*
*Vegeta Blue (KO)*
pls nerf gogeta is ur pfp
Ik ._.
Me who mains blue vegeta: HE NOT THAT BAD.
That true Vegeta blue is a beast right now i play with him and is incredible
I see... so this is a total contrast to the “pls nerf” videos I’ve seen before...
huh in a way i suppose
I love these types of videos. Please make more of ‘em, especially for characters like Videl and Ginyu.
It's really sad though, seeing this it just ruins my view of him. Since i am a HUUUUGE Vegeta fan i have a Vegeta team whenever i'm in the mood, and since i'm poor as all hell i just run the free Vegetas so no Base Vegeta. Future Trunks (Technically Vegeta), Super Vegeta, Blue Vegeta.
But back to the point, i'll keep this mind and try to be careful whenever i play as him. If only i did have Base Vegeta though.
Also great video, good job, and keep it up!
thanks dude! not sure if you put your team in order there, but you should stick vegeta blue at the front. he's not great but point is still his best role by far
@@MoldyBagel Yeah, i put it in order. After watching your video i told myself i'm gonna put him in front. Thanks alot and have a wonderful day!
@@princevegeta79 you too man!!! kick some ass
Me, chilling in 900k rank with blue vegeta as anchor: "Yeah, put him in the front, it's the _only place he's good._
*rolls eyes*
Backboarding off of moldy's statement.....he is completely correct In my experience laying him
He does remind me about the universe 6 vs. 7 ark
When vegeta fought hit
He went all out in the beginning.
I feel like the reason behind this character's aimless design is because of where the show was at when the game came out. How many full fights did vegeta blue have by this game's launch, which I believe was midway through the zamasu arc? He was either beating the tar out of somebody much weaker than him or getting annihilated, there wasn't really a moment that showed him equal with someone. I mean, the "on a scale of one to ten" move was just based on a quick moment while he was training with trunks, I'd hardly call that important enough to become a main part of his toolset.
No it came out during the Tournament of Power but was likely being developed as the Black Arc was coming out. Up to that arc, Blue Vegeta had a total of 4 actual fights which were
- Pummeling Golden Freiza
- Getting destroyed by Hit
- losing to Goku Black in their 1st fight
- destroying Goku Black in their 2nd fight
He had a few sparing sessions and assists like training with Trunks before they went back into the past and pushing away Fused Zamasu's blast with Trunks.
@@genericwhitemale9566 Yeah, all of those were, in my words from a year ago, him beating the tar out of somebody much weaker than him or getting annihilated. There were never really many opportunities for Vegeta Blue to really showcase any unique moves in that time, whereas if it was developed post-ToP they'd have a lot more to work with
"And yeah, these guys are pretty bad"
>Ginyu, a character who makes top 8 quite frequently
lmao
giorninho he do be silent
Source?
I've seen this somewhere else, but maybe give him Blue Evolution as a level 3, which acts like a Golden Frieza type of thing. It could also include SSJBE Vegeta in the game without using a character slot.
One thing good about the “scale one to ten” thing, it dunks aggressive players that like super dash, like me, since they get a free combo
I’ll always feel a part of this is the issue of having the 3 Gokus and Vegetas early on in the game Ultra Instinct Goku didn’t have these kinda problems but the other all use similar attacks and animations from each other and when there are even a select few abilities and just general ideas they could’ve pulled from later on in Super or even in the Broly movie too bad the Super manga was opted to be completely ignored too all this kinda subject to when this game originally was in development
I saw the Why vegeta blue doesn't suck anymore. Now im here
1:33 You almost killed me choking on my food showing this scene to me.. Just wanted to let you know.
1:16 Vegeta's face is mine when i saw my bars
I’m seeing so many people upset in the comments and I’m just sitting here laughing as a ginyu player
Just discovered this channel today. The mix of information, memes and Kirby music makes It special! Keep up the great work!😊
How can you say he's bad? I have a 123828% win rate and a Blue Evolution rank using him as a point...you just need to gitgud or adjust your gameplan - Every fanboy ever
Only scrubs will call him bad
Love how the newest video is Vegeta is top tier
The EX kick should have been called the pumped up kick
Top tier: exists
Bluegeta after 3.5: bonjour
Vegeta Blue at time of video: Call an ambulance
Vegeta blue now: ...but not for me.
Wow imagine liking your own comment
1:58
Goku: “Your zipper’s down”
Cell: “Wha” (punched)
0:24 legit thought that said he's shy
I don’t think he is the worst, I just think all of low tier characters (Ginyu, Jiren, 17, Beerus, etc.) is just “meh” to me. I won’t lie, I love playing Jiren, but I don’t just brush off his counters, they still suck. All in all, I just think that it doesn’t matter who you pick. If you have fun playing them, then that makes them good for you (at the very least)
Finally someone that loves playing Jiren and doesn't think he's trash...
Kanye Rahming HUZZAH A MAN OF QUALITY!! What system you on? I’m willing to spar and just train with anyone during this time!
I love videos like this, were the creator doesn't feel the need to talk to fulfill their ego to "be heard and have a voice and not hide behind a screen". Well edited, funny, great soundtrack and understanding of the information being presented. Awesome work.
thank you!
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too bad it's wrong
0:55 Mouse
NOOOOOOO
I know you didn't put a lot of thought into this video nor do you actually play the character and that's ok
Seeing the starting part of the video in 2024 is really funny
Blue Vegeta is lowkey (S-) - (A+) tier. He's actually really good if you put in the work.
Right. Making me sad dissing him like this :(
Ya'll check this out:
ruclips.net/video/a9Dp9w7JTkY/видео.html
This guy counters most of the points made in this video. If you lab him you will find out that he is pretty OD.
Me: **has blue Vegeta on my main team**
Wait wha-
You were surprised because you have character knowledge
I think that if a sequel ever gets made, they should consolidate the clone characters into 1 or 2 max. Take the best parts of all of them and leave out the underwhelming parts. Maybe even make transformations a mechanic. The roster would be much smaller, but each character would feel more unique.
This aged well
Imagine worrying about tiers and not just playing your favorite characters
Every character is viable, people just like each characters play styles more, and this guy created the video because he is bad with bluegeta
Every character i viable except for vegeta blue, he is Bad designed
Tiers or not, the character sucks balls
I mean tier lists are just opinions who is a good character and who is not. but even if you play with your favorite there is no problem.
*cough* I’m main black *cough* but if you want to play with the worst character in the tier lists you can who said you can’t? As I said tier lists are just opinions of who is a good character for facts like the frames and combos. But I repeat it isn’t like that character doesn’t exist.
@@Malzeno_9 yeah bro go win Combo Breaker with Nappa Krillin and Bluegeta, you gonna have a great time
The editing in this video is actually so good, even people who don't play this game can watch this video and be entertained
Vegeta really went from absolutely awful to one of the best in the game.
This hasn’t aged well, for the right reasons
I don't even play FighterZ, but your edits are so entertaining that I watched the whole video.
"On a scale of one to ten, I give you a three!!" Can be useful for round start, snap those jumping oponents out of the air and also has ki blast deflect like if it was a super dash
I love all the online ranked players talking shit lmfao there’s a reason he’s not really seen at the pro level... people who play the game professionally would know about the character more than online players even if they don’t play them...
I'm with moldybagel. I have played this for 2018 and I'm a sweat but you WILL NEVER SEE ME PLAY DBFZ WITH "VEGETA BLUE"
Ladies and Gentleman, the most slept on and under utilized character in all of fighting game history:
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whYLiE09 the people who say he trash only use his command grav
Me : So he doesn't do too much damage? Don't worry i won't use him.
Me : ( Still uses him )
Huh. Always wondered how people come to these conclusions about fighting game characters. Like, I know ABOUT frame data, wind ups, punishing, etc. but I've never really had it explained side by side like this.
Incredibly informative and I don't even play the game, lol!
When they nerfed him and made it so you couldn’t combo his command grab in air without using the EX version, I stopped playing him.
This aged badly
I don't play this game but I always love watching your edits man haha
When your weakest stade is the best in the game and your most powerful stade is the worst in the game.
Visible confusion.
This hasn't aged well
He made a new video talking about how Vegeta blue is now, and it’s easily better than this one is in terms of quality, which is saying a lot considering how great this video is already. Vegeta’s improved in the last 9 months, and so has Moldy’s editing.
@@justafellerwithnoprofilepi4546 oh I know I just forgot to delete this comment
Just here to pay my respects to the good ol days now that Blugeta is winning.
This aged like pilk
Vegeta blue mains rise up. I rather main him than main braindead glue eating LLLLLLLL vegito, teen gohan and bardock. He does need some significant changes tho
I main blue vegeta but I love playing vegito from time to time
This whole video is pretty much cap tbf he hasn’t shown his basic bnbs that actually does damage and his vegeta blue loops that’s pretty practical he’s just showing us impractical meter dump combos.
Kurapikas Journey facts
I'll admit i play vegito
ssj1 vegeta - well thought process to understand his kit
base vegeta- L O O P S
Honestly Bluegeta just feels like an underwhelming DBZ Broly in the sense that they are both attempts at a grappler/zoner
But then again you shouldn’t even be comparing those characters they are on opposite ends of the tier list
El Dorito right, that’s sort of why the comparison makes a good argument that Blugeta is the wrong way to do it and DBZ Broly is the right way to do it.
@@luhloieed6466 well that's why he is an ineffective grappler since his command throws are not usable in strings like DBZ Broly, Bluku, DBS Broly, etc. And arguing that the throw is just suppose to be an SKD option doesn't make sense because then they just woulda made it a move similar to that of a bluku dive kick of gt goku qcb move (i forget the name). Because it is specifically a grab it feels like their intention was to allow him to use it conventionally to mix but it really only works on up tech or snap.
Lloyd Lozandier you’re right, but that proves the point I’m trying to make. When making a fighting game if you create multiple characters that fit a similar sub category, but one is dramatically less effective at his intention than the other, he won’t be played. Because Bluegeta is just a shell of the other characters in his sub category of semi zoner semi grappler he’s pretty bad just for lacking those tools. I think we agree, we are just getting caught up in semantics like move sets and stuff.
0:40 bröther may I have some
The kek this video gives me after the s3.5 buff is amazing
2:25 jokes on you i cant react to that
people are just gonna repeat without even trying the character once and it's gonna be mad annoying
@@luhloieed6466 good editing do not excuse everything, this is just misinformation at this point, and rehearse of rooflemonger's vid
Spectaa a i tried him and i hate his grab (his kicks are underated tho)
Love your editing man, makes me watch a lot of ur vids. SUB
bruh I have this game and wow there so much to learn and I havent even tried online once
I'm probably the biggest noob out there and I own the 1st 2 figherz pass
don't worry dude ive played training mode for a literal year and haven't even gotten a 9k plus dmg combo
baby same
No ones wack in this game you just ain’t master them
agreed. Everyone is good if you learn em and get good with timing.
pffffffff ok
now he's a godlike
We all know ginyus one of the best character in the game, I mean come on he can give you the best character in the game
He's actually good. First hit of EX kicks really Jacks your combo damage up, he can combo off supers, great corner combos
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😂😂😂
You just described at least half the cast, and I don't think comboing off supers is all that great.
@@cagewaters4910 okay well his choke slam starts combos, his rekka kicks create a high low mix, big bang attack is an amazing anti homing dash tool that starts huge damage combos on the ground, second hit of rekka kicks EX gets a side switch and he's the only character with an air level 5. Obviously he has stubby normals sure and he's a point character with little assist value outside of specific synergies but someone like 17 or ginyu are much less complete packages
Did you even watch the video?
His choke slam doesn't hit crouching opponents, his kicks besides light are 100% reactable on block and you even have time for a level 3 between them, EX kick uses a bar for every kick, big bang is an average anti-homing tool at best, and his combos take way too much meter to get the effect that good characters get with way less meter.
1:58 That, my friends. Was when Cell's nuts were busted.
Vegeta blue is my anchor. Gotta know how to use him and your opponents characters. Yes hes tough. But if done right you can TOD.
You beat me to it lol
If done right any character has a tod
@@ArturoRodriguez-ec1el that's what i like to hear
4:06 Whats remix of this song?
It's in the description.
i dont even fucking play this game but your editing is fun as hell to watch.
Me, Who plays SSJ Vegeta: Accurate