Can Fiction Make You a Better Person? response video

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  • Опубликовано: 27 июл 2024
  • #fiction #booktube
    Can fiction make you a better person? This question has been going around, and I thought I would give it a shot. Though there have been multiple studies that show how fiction can provide one with a better moral compass, but what does that mean? And what are the reasons that so many believe that fiction has the power to change an individual?
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  • @JDEstradaWriter
    @JDEstradaWriter 2 года назад +3

    Left comments on Steve and Ros’s videos and also read the article and have found the topic so compelling I’ll be discussing on a live panel this Sunday. That said, SO much to unpack. First off, as I did for Ros and Steve, I did mention that I can’t help but wonder how the narrative would have changed if you switched the man’s race and the material he had been downloading. I can easily imagine any number of people of color getting the full extent of this law. Also I’m not calling for jail time, but I do think it says a lot about preferential treatment. For some people, checking certain materials from the library, visiting X or Y website, or purchasing any number of movies/books could be reason for probing and background checks. A curious detail is the books recommended by the judge. All white authors, which I’m not sure if it was intentional or just being short sighted. I do have some bonus questions for the case. Will this man be banned from purchasing any sort of firearm legally? Will he undergo any sort of psychiatric evaluation or be referred to any sort of group therapy or community service? I ask because telling someone that they avoided jail time by the skin of their teeth means literally nothing. As I understand it, the actions were as follows: Acquires right wing propaganda and The Anarchist’s Cookbook and possibly other instructions on how to make homemade bombs, identified as a terror risk, penned a hate letter “raging against Jewish people and gays”, broke laws that could lead to up to 15 years in jail, sentenced to 2 years in jail, with a suspended sentence (I.e. no jail time) and then given basically home work. Fortunately for John, his actions were deemed as an act of teenage folly by the judge. The judge is clear that John is highly susceptible to recruitment, influence, and persuasion. In addition he was also given a serious crime prevention order where he has to be in touch with the police and they can monitor his online activity, much like parole. A counter terrorism inspector then went on to clarify that the documentation the man obtained indicates a serious threat. Steve mentioned that information in itself should not be punishable at all and that doing so is at the very least Orwellian in nature. The case and article mention the amount to justify the punishment, but the gist of it is, download X or Y and you could go to jail. On the flip side, he then mentioned that reading has to have a positive impact, which I don’t necessarily agree with. I think it’s all a matter of could and will. The act of reading won’t make you a better person, but it could help you to have more empathy. But saying reading equals better person as a blanket statement is just as dangerous as saying downloading 1 or 70K documents will make someone dangerous. Context, experiences, mistakes, and traumas are what normally lead people to violence and to hate. And who knows? Some people might just be born damaged.

    • @attention5638
      @attention5638  2 года назад +2

      Thank you so much for this comment--there is so much here I wanted to get into, but didn't want to fixate on the actual situation as much as the question that came from the situation. I couldn't agree more, the blanket statement is as dangerous as saying, downloading these documents make someone dangerous. It works both ways, here. I had a whole part on this, I took out, because it just wouldn't end haha. Context is extremely important, and one can never discount the 'born that way' argument, as some people really are biologically confined. Is this live panel going to be on your channel or another platform? I will have to write it down, so I don't forget.

    • @JDEstradaWriter
      @JDEstradaWriter 2 года назад +2

      @@attention5638 It just has soooo many levels to it. I get why you cut it and was going to do my response video when I was asked to host the show on Sunday. I tagged you in a couple of places because I wanted to show where the topic came from lol. It'll be on Go Indie Now :) it's it's noon EST so not sure what time that is for you

    • @attention5638
      @attention5638  2 года назад +3

      @@JDEstradaWriter Ah, I seriously need to make a better effort on keeping up with other social media platforms. I am trying, for sure, haha. And yes!!! I meant to say the other day when I mentioned that "link" you sent. It was me that misworded it. It wasn't a link, it was a reminder for me to sign up for the newsletter on Go Indie Now/subscribe to their other platforms. I will do that now, and will be watching on Sunday!

    • @JDEstradaWriter
      @JDEstradaWriter 2 года назад +2

      @@attention5638 dude, you bust your ass on this channel and burning out over social is never ideal. and awesome, sounds like a plan and the sign up sheet often has a spot in case you want to sneak in a chat :D

  • @LadyJaneBooks
    @LadyJaneBooks 2 года назад +5

    I like the exploration around reading making us more empathetic or we are empathetic people so we read. Reminds me of the chicken or egg question. That made me think for a bit. Wonderful and thorough discussion points!

    • @attention5638
      @attention5638  2 года назад +1

      Ph! It it totally like the chicken and egg debate! Hahah I didn't think of that. 😅

  • @LarryHasOpinions
    @LarryHasOpinions 2 года назад +4

    great vid as usual, i agree with your point about brainwashing and i'd also note how infrequent it is to see people reading books that deeply challenge their beliefs (while "cancelling" authors one disagrees with is all the rage at the moment...) and how people feel very comfortable in their echo chambers, the final quote is pretty epic

    • @attention5638
      @attention5638  2 года назад +2

      Yeah, people don't seem to like to engage with something that challenges their beliefs...or challenges anything, really hahah😅

  • @FIT2BREAD
    @FIT2BREAD 2 года назад +4

    I think the more we avoid stopping to think the more we drift toward self centeredness. When we listen, read, learn, we are forced to think and contemplate. I beleive contemplation leads to compassion, generosity, empathy, etc. I dont think reading makes people more empathetic, I think we just aren't often tapped into it. I agree with the notion you present that other mediums have an effect in this regard. So while I dont think reading fiction is more evoking or triggering of empathy than everything, I think it clearly evokes or triggers in a unique way. Great video

    • @attention5638
      @attention5638  2 года назад +1

      Very good point, and I think you are probably right. The studies have yet to prove that reading enhances empathy, and what you say here, I think makes a lot more sense. Thank you!😊

    • @FIT2BREAD
      @FIT2BREAD 2 года назад +1

      @@attention5638 I say it with no evidence, but im going with my gut. The best fiction often is work that makes us connect with an other. I just can't see that not breeding more real life awareness of those around us.

  • @harleyannegrant8977
    @harleyannegrant8977 2 года назад +2

    I’m not sure if it has made me a better person, but having fictional worlds to escape to has almost definitely kept me from killing someone haha

    • @attention5638
      @attention5638  2 года назад +1

      Well, that is a good thing, I would say lol

  • @outofthisworldreader1700
    @outofthisworldreader1700 2 года назад +3

    Great discussion!! I have always encountered family members who argue fiction is a waste of time. In my opinion both fiction, non-fiction, etc. in reading each have their own benefits!!

    • @attention5638
      @attention5638  2 года назад +2

      Absolutely! If it changes the person or not, it is definitely not a waste of time!

  • @ChristyLuisDostoevskyinSpace
    @ChristyLuisDostoevskyinSpace 2 года назад +3

    Yessss response videos! I always enjoy your responses 😂
    I definitely think fiction gives people an opportunity for growth (in empathy, critical thinking, and emotional maturity), but literature is certainly not the only way to attain such growth. Some people just grow through experience 🤷‍♀️

    • @attention5638
      @attention5638  2 года назад

      I agree. And I think that is a good way to put it. It gives the opportunity for growth, not that it will contribute simply because one reads. 😊

  • @angiethebookaholic
    @angiethebookaholic 2 года назад +2

    I had shot a video on the topic of why reading fiction is important but never got the chance to edit and post it. During the research for that video, I came across many scientific researches which looks at different positive impact reading fiction has on human mind. One of them is the ability to develop an empathetic brain. I haven't watched this video yet. Since it's 12 midnight here, parking it aside to watch it tomorrow morning. 😊

    • @attention5638
      @attention5638  2 года назад

      Oh yes! I do mention some of those studies. It is really interesting stuff! I look forward to your video on it!😊😊

  • @Shellyish
    @Shellyish 2 года назад +2

    Pae, I’m so glad you are continuing the discussion. I especially enjoyed the connection you made between empathy and reading. Please continue to make these wonderfully engaging videos! ☺️

    • @attention5638
      @attention5638  2 года назад

      Thank you so much! It is a really great discussion, and I will for sure try to continue!😊😊

  • @KatrinaReads7
    @KatrinaReads7 2 года назад +2

    Super thought provoking. I always just took the idea that reading made you more empathetic as fact. Nice to see so much conversation around it.

    • @attention5638
      @attention5638  2 года назад

      I think a lot of people do, which is totally fine, as it may actually be the case, but it certainly isn't proven as of yet. But there is definitely a connection one way or another. 😊😊

  • @gaiaathena-books
    @gaiaathena-books 2 года назад +2

    What an interesting discussion! I do feel reading books has taught me a lot about other people. I am autistic and reading books, in particular reading about a character's thoughts and how they feel and deal with a situation, it has taught me about neurotypical people, social rules, and more.

    • @attention5638
      @attention5638  2 года назад +1

      Oh definitely! Even without the empathy aspect, reading does provide one with so many more benefits and tools to help one through life.😊😊

  • @ReadingRetail
    @ReadingRetail 2 года назад +2

    Great detail as always. I’ll have to think about the concept of it “changing” a person

    • @attention5638
      @attention5638  2 года назад

      Oh yes! It is an interesting one for sure! Thanks for checking this out!😊😊

  • @authoremileeharris1645
    @authoremileeharris1645 2 года назад +2

    I don't know that reading fiction necessarily makes a person better, but I do think it provides greater access to a wide variety of perspectives through the author's experimentation. In that respect, a person might be more open to changes of opinion through their reading.

    • @attention5638
      @attention5638  2 года назад +1

      I completely agree. The reader needs to be open in having their views examined, and if that is the case, then reading may change someone's views. Or, at least, influence. 😊😎

  • @veryliterarykari8282
    @veryliterarykari8282 2 года назад +2

    I’ve always thought reading helps cultivate empathy in people especially young readers, but it is interesting to consider the principle in reverse that empathetic people seek out those experiences. Excellent analysis and discussion as usual! I think any experience or hobby that helps us see a different viewpoint is valuable for sure.

    • @attention5638
      @attention5638  2 года назад

      I agree, it is valuable in one way or another. Even without the empathy aspect, reading provides so many other advantages to young people, and introduces them to new skills.😊😊

  • @BookwormAdventureGirl
    @BookwormAdventureGirl 2 года назад +2

    This is a good conversation. I believe that fiction/reading/literature can make us think differently and influence us in ways. Not sure that it’s always for the better though. 🤷🏼‍♀️😊💙

    • @attention5638
      @attention5638  2 года назад +1

      Yeah, that is something I find to be the biggest issue with some of these studies. If literature can influence in a positive way, and it most certainly can, it then must also influence equally in a negative manner, all dependent on the individual and their past experiences. 😊😊

  • @AnneEWilliamson
    @AnneEWilliamson 2 года назад +3

    This is a really complex question. I mean, it's hard to define what is a good person in general, especially since we all have different morals. What is morally good when morality is subjective to different people. Like you mentioned, a lot of horrible people read great books. Hitler loved Uncle Tom's Cabin, Gulliver's Travels, and Don Quixote. And I don't think many would argue that literature made Hitler better. I completely agree with you that it is already how a person goes into reading a book which dictates what they get from it. A person anxious to open their mind to new ideas may become a better person by reading more, while a person highly biased against a book might dismiss everything in it.

    • @attention5638
      @attention5638  2 года назад +1

      Absolutely! By the time people are in their mid twenties, they have a lot of their world views set, and it is very difficult to change people's mind. For the most part. But, that doesn't mean it never happens. Also, I had no clue that Hitler loved Uncle Tom's Cabin. That is interesting. That seems like something he would not have been into haha.

  • @jimsbooksreadingandstuff
    @jimsbooksreadingandstuff 2 года назад +1

    Fascinating discussion, Tolstoy and Dickens believed their works were more than entertainment, that they might improve the reader.

    • @attention5638
      @attention5638  2 года назад

      I think I would agree with them, even though I am not the biggest Dickens fan, these works hold a lot more than just entertainment value. 😊

  • @stevencorey1278
    @stevencorey1278 2 года назад +2

    If 'better' is defined by 'enlightenment' then the answer would have to be unequivocally yes. However, what one chooses to do with that enlightenment would be the next step/phase of consideration in which, unfortunately, the answer could be 'no'....another excellent video, BTW.

    • @attention5638
      @attention5638  2 года назад

      It would also depend on how one defines "enlightenment," Which ever way one may be enlightened, another may find their views to be moral degradation.

  • @astarreads4214
    @astarreads4214 2 года назад

    Yes! I think there is a lot to be said for intention, which can be shown in any good book club…we can all come to the conversation having the read the same book, but it quickly becomes clear that what we have taken away from it might be very different…and this can follow our values, interests, and even our own personal experiences. Which means that a book could have opposing effects on different people. Also, in making the argument that people choose to read what already surrounds their values, I was thinking…but what about people that change their mind or opinion based off a book…meaning they have become more enlightened on a subject or opened their mind to differing viewpoints…. But then I realized that the desire and ability to open yourself to an understanding of different viewpoints/values, is actually a personality trait/value in itself…. Great discussion Pae…it’s painful to think (outside of school stuff) these days, but it’s good for me haha.

  • @katrinabrown
    @katrinabrown 2 года назад +2

    Wow, this is such an interesting and vast topic! I love how you ended it! I've seen NPR articles about this and they're usually like" people that read a lot of fiction can handle more difficult situations, and are better problem solvers." I agree your values do not come from literature 🤣 but from a true-crime perspective, bad people will find the text to validate themselves. Great video! I love this topic!

    • @attention5638
      @attention5638  2 года назад +1

      Some of those articles can get pretty crazy, and go on a lot of assumptions. I agree, bad people will always find what it is they are looking for.

  • @MsReadsAlot
    @MsReadsAlot 2 года назад +2

    Excellent discussion as always! Thanks for sharing your perspective! ☺️

  • @ScientistsReadingWorld
    @ScientistsReadingWorld 2 года назад +2

    Another great discussion! What a reader takes depend on what the reader is looking for like you said! I have learned a lot with fiction but also just use to have fun and escape. The person only changes or learns if he want because if he does not want, reading 50 books will not result. And yeah fiction can be created based on our reality but still be fiction!

    • @attention5638
      @attention5638  2 года назад +1

      Absolutely! It all comes down to what an individual wants to take away. 😊😎

  • @TheNovelNana
    @TheNovelNana 2 года назад +2

    wow! Love that you expanded upon this topic and conversation. Oh, how I love your videos. Wonderful content! I think that if writers can reach that emotional place and write the gritty and raw stuff that readers can tap into, then, in turn, have the readers ask themselves questions about how they felt after reading and why they felt that way-then we have a win-win situation. Empathy for characters can often lead to identifying other truths in situations in our lives that can help us have more understanding, compassion, and empathy for others. Just my opinion. I guess maybe the knife can cut both ways, depending on the individuals' mindset, situation, morals, and personal views, beliefs, and life experience. Books have made me cry, laugh, get angry or have my own ah-ha moments-even when it is a work of fiction. Excellent content as always! I would expect nothing less from you! Bravo.

    • @attention5638
      @attention5638  2 года назад +1

      Thank you so much! I definitely agree that it depends on one's own intentions going into a book. We all take something different away from what we read, and though it may help us understand the other in ways we may not have expected, I think there is a part of us that wants to do that in the first place, if that makes sense Haha 😊😊

  • @tomlabooks3263
    @tomlabooks3263 2 года назад +3

    Pure brilliance! What a great summary.

    • @attention5638
      @attention5638  2 года назад +2

      Thank you very much, Tom. Hope all is well with you!

  • @Johanna_reads
    @Johanna_reads 2 года назад +2

    I couldn’t agree more with everything you shared in this video! Even just isolating the empathy variable is questionable depending on types of books in addition to reasons why we read and the variety of experiences people have relating to different characters. Plus, who is to say that empathy is always right or good? I would hate to have empathy if I were a surgeon in operating room. 😂 I see the same slogan in music education. No different than the problematic claim that “music makes you smarter” back with poorly designed Mozart study a few decades ago. Interesting points about brain washing and mindset before reading a book!

    • @attention5638
      @attention5638  2 года назад

      Exactly! I wanted to get more into the idea of apathy as an absolute good, but I would have gone on for far too long. Things are good or bad subjective to the position in which something (that is being called good or bad) is applied. Thank you for the thoughtful comment!😊😊

  • @MishelleLexi
    @MishelleLexi 2 года назад +3

    I was recently talking about how empathy is a super power. You have made me wonder if I am drawn to reading due to naturally being an empathetic person. Yeah we always bring our own bias into a book and books can also serve of course as propaganda. I kind of think that discussing literature is more or as important as reading it when it comes to developing your critical thinking. I think a great example of how the general people are not good critical thinkers is not a book but the Netflix show The Tiger King everyone was watching last year. I watched the series, and I guess because I read a lot my immediate critical thought was that this is very biased towards portrayed Joe Exotic as a lovable hick, and pretty much slanders Carol Baskin. I was pretty shocked that a lot of people around me took the show at face value. I felt a bit isolated that no one was seeing the inherent bias without me or others pointing it out...

    • @attention5638
      @attention5638  2 года назад +1

      Great example of how this works both way. I was just discussing this a moment ago, and I will have to remember this example (on the Tiger King), because I completely agree, and the bias in that show is very straightforward. I looked up the evidence on what happened, and the show clearly leans one way. And people just go with it Thank you for the comment! 😊😊

  • @CircesBooked
    @CircesBooked 2 года назад +2

    I really loved this video. It is very thought provoking and you highlighted a lot of the complexities around the topic.
    While I wouldn't just rely on literature as a form of rehabilitation method for people, I do believe that it is a powerful tool in understanding society at any given time in history. I would constantly use excerpts from books when I would teach history because it would give a better understanding of what the people went through.
    I look forward to hearing more of these discussion videos!

    • @attention5638
      @attention5638  2 года назад +1

      Completely agree! Fiction can tell someone so much more about history than some may think. This goes for all art forms, but fiction, especially!😊😊

  • @DavidDecero
    @DavidDecero 2 года назад +2

    Fantastic quote at the end. I read for the emotional impact. Can that make me a good person? Maybe? lol. Does it? Probably not.
    Awesome and insightful video. 🙃

    • @attention5638
      @attention5638  2 года назад

      Hahah thank you! You have to read for the emotional impact every now and then! Haha

  • @mrh4891
    @mrh4891 2 года назад +2

    Related to this, Mario Vargas Llosa's essay "Why Literature?" had some interesting comments. 😊Thanks, Pae!

  • @SelfWriteousness
    @SelfWriteousness 2 года назад +2

    I once said herbs are natural (implying they were better). My then companion said "So is cyanide."
    I reckon quixote fiction could totally make readers better people, if they are open-minded to applying what they find in Fiction Land to their lives.
    But if I were to say "Fiction influences people for the better," I think my friend, the cyanide authority, might say, "The Fountain Head is fiction."

    • @attention5638
      @attention5638  2 года назад

      Yes! This is an important note. If reading has the power to influence people for the better, it certainly has the power to influence them for the worst. Also, I should start cooking with cyanide. It is natural!! 😅

  • @RosieCockshutt
    @RosieCockshutt 2 года назад +1

    I need to go back and read the article and watch all the other videos, but I have to say my gut reaction is that “reading makes you a more empathetic person”, where empathetic is a positive trait, strikes me as the sort of thing that people who feel superior because they read would say.

    • @attention5638
      @attention5638  2 года назад

      Hahah yeah, I agree. The assumption that reading automatically makes someone a better person is a bit of a leap. Conditions may apply 😅

  • @harrietsbookcorner
    @harrietsbookcorner 2 года назад +2

    A brilliant discussion, as always.

  • @thelifeandtimesofjames4273
    @thelifeandtimesofjames4273 2 года назад +1

    To the original question, undoubtedly say I. But forcing some to read literature in order to broaden their minds…? Very unsure.
    And I read a fair amount but I am still as socially unwelcome as ever. I have a moderate grasp on it at this age of my life but it still happens.
    I also see little difference in reading/film/video games as good story is good story. However one consumes it. I used to believe reading made for better people but the expanse of booktube has shown me their are many who read and yet seem to lack the intelligence I once associated with it. That’s why I am happy to have found those I have now.
    Great choice of video mate!

    • @attention5638
      @attention5638  2 года назад +1

      Yeah, I am a little skeptical as to how this would play out, if it were to be a regular occurrence in the court. I wouldn't have much faith in it. And also, completely agree--just because one reads, does not equate to being more 'intelligent' than anyone else. It all depends on the what and the why one is reading. Of course, I am not talking about children, in which reading does help with cognitive development. But with adults, it really has to do with what they read, and how it is applied. I could go on and on about this, but I think we agree on it all, hahah. 😅

  • @mariacarveth6457
    @mariacarveth6457 2 года назад +1

    Are empathetic readers more inclined to pick up a book because it provides an avenue for perspective taking and satisfies an emotional connection to the character(s), or does reading foster empathy…hummm this is a very interesting topic I’ll need to give this more thought!

    • @attention5638
      @attention5638  2 года назад

      It is an interesting study. It is too bad that it has yet to be tested on a scale that would give more accurate results. It seems like something that should be looked more into hahah😅

  • @MasonInTheDark
    @MasonInTheDark 2 года назад +3

    See my initial gut reaction upon seeing this title was "Of course! Duh." but as usual you have destroyed my brain and now I'm not sure. You're right on all the points that you made about empathy. i would have argued that reading allows you to decide what you think is right and wrong by judging the characters actions but the point you raised about the author writing through a certain filter kind of defeats that point. In most fiction there is some sort of clear protagonist vs antagonist dynamic and the author is clearly trying to send a message that one character's actions are good and one is bad. Maybe if there was an author that wrote their narratives from a dispassionate, matter of fact way that made no attempt to lead the reader in either direction then that would mean the reader was forming their own conclusions but that's not usually the case. In the end I still think it just depends on what we're defining as a good or "better" person. Damn I don't know what the answer is.

    • @attention5638
      @attention5638  2 года назад

      Hahaha, it is much more complicated than many may think. It would be impossible (I would assume) for a fiction author to write without their bias, as so many biases are unconscious, and show as a product by virtue of culture. History books are pretty much the closest we can get to that--however, even that has a bias from the author attached. And those can often be more dangerous.

    • @MasonInTheDark
      @MasonInTheDark 2 года назад

      @@attention5638 I would kind of like to see you write from the POV of a neutral dispassionate narrator as an experiment. I feel like if anyone could pull it off it would be the man who never knows which side of the fence to fall on :D.

  • @alishareadsrambles98
    @alishareadsrambles98 2 года назад +1

    To give a simple answer to a very complex question I do think that reading fiction can make you a better person. But I don't think it is at all a guarantee that if you read a book you will become better. You mentioned bias and intention which I think are huge factors in if reading can make you a better person. If I pick up a book just wanting to escape and I don't think more about it, I am setting my intention and will get enjoyment out of the book but probably not growth. But on the other hand if I purposefully look for a book that is written by an author with a different lived experience and my intention in seeking out that book is to be exposed to a different experience then I have had then I have set a different intention and I will learn something and hopefully become better.

    • @attention5638
      @attention5638  2 года назад +1

      Very good point. Intentionality is a huge factor, and in many cases, people do read with the intent to learn something that they believe they can apply in the real world. Which one could easily argue, makes them a better person. 😊😊

  • @SpringboardThought
    @SpringboardThought 2 года назад +1

    love how Ros's video sparked so much conversation. Great video. Interesting thoughts.
    I thought brainwashing was a defunct term. Indoctrination would be the closest thing I can think of.

    • @attention5638
      @attention5638  2 года назад +1

      Yeah, I think you are right--indoctrination would have been a better word to use here, for sure. Thank you for checking this out, it was a great discussion! 😊

  • @RobynWeightman
    @RobynWeightman 2 года назад

    Great Topic! Sorry it's taken me so long to watch, it's been in my watchlist forever! I was in a toxic work environment but changing things up this year :) Hope to see more of your videos.

    • @attention5638
      @attention5638  2 года назад +1

      Oh, no need for apology! I have actually been away, myself, for a bit, but hopefully I am able to get back into it soon enough. I definitely understand 😊

  • @TheCodeXCantina
    @TheCodeXCantina 2 года назад +6

    So are we burning the books or not?

  • @ameliareads589
    @ameliareads589 2 года назад +2

    Could we please meet some day and have a long discussion about this? 😉 I am so indecisive what my opinion about this is. But I can definitely relate to a lot of your thoughts.

    • @attention5638
      @attention5638  2 года назад +1

      Yes! I would be more than down to do so! I am always open to discuss these things, one way or another! 😊😎

  • @beatingaroundthebooks
    @beatingaroundthebooks 2 года назад +2

    I was hoping you'd weigh in on this. Fantastic addition to the discussion! 👏
    Lovely to see you again, hope to catch up sometime soon. Is Voxer still playing up for you?

    • @attention5638
      @attention5638  2 года назад +1

      Yes! We really should. I have been off Voxer for a little while, recently. I have been having to do so much recently, Voxer is a bit of an anxiety riddle app at the moment haha.

  • @spreadbookjoy
    @spreadbookjoy 2 года назад +1

    Leaving aside for the moment the huge question of what is meant by a 'better person', this is such a fascinating topic! Can reading influence the type of person you are? I would say absolutely! Whether or not it is for the better, as so many of your commenters have pointed out, depends on what you read and what you determine to be 'better'. There is actually a fair amount of research about the wider societal impact of reading for pleasure, rather than just the usual metrics of literacy, academic achievement etc. A complex topic, but a fascinating one! Such studies take into account different social groups across populations, national and regional differences etc. There are quite a lot of studies in this area specifically in relation to children which demonstrate positive outcomes both academically and socially, but what is measured and how it is measured is still subjective. However, the evidence is strong enough that here in the UK, where we have a statutory national curriculum, it is incumbent on schools not only to teach children to read but to ensure that they 'read for pleasure' as it has been this which has been shown to dramatically improve children's life chances. Fascinating as always.

    • @attention5638
      @attention5638  2 года назад +1

      Regional distinction is another factor I didn't put in this conversation which could have it's own video. That is a very good point. Cultural differences will certainly change the way one reads. There is so much to this conversation, it would be impossible to say everything in ten minutes. I may have to do a second part haha😅

    • @spreadbookjoy
      @spreadbookjoy 2 года назад

      @@attention5638 you should! So much to talk about! Great video ❤️

    • @spreadbookjoy
      @spreadbookjoy 2 года назад

      @@attention5638 it's a huge topic! A second part would be great!

  • @maebooks
    @maebooks 2 года назад +1

    Wait this is so interesting??? And I love the way you speak about this!!! ❤️

    • @attention5638
      @attention5638  2 года назад

      It is definitely a good conversation, and I have heard a lot of people adding to it recently. I may have to do a second part 😅 thank you so much for checking it out!😊😊

    • @maebooks
      @maebooks 2 года назад

      @@attention5638 of course! And please do a second part!!!

  • @danecobain
    @danecobain 2 года назад +1

    I think it can make you a better person and it can also make you a worse person. Mark Chapman, the guy who shot John Lennon, blamed The Catcher in the Rye for it. But I think it's made me a better person!

    • @attention5638
      @attention5638  2 года назад +1

      That is a perfect example. Wish I thought of that when filming this. In fact, the attempted assassination of Reagan also cited Catcher in the Rye as an inspiration. It really does depend on the reader.

    • @danecobain
      @danecobain 2 года назад +1

      @@attention5638 It's weird, isn't it? It's not as though Holden Caulfield was wandering around with a rifle! To be fair, it's better not to give those nutjobs any more airtime anyway!

  • @knittingbooksetc.2810
    @knittingbooksetc.2810 2 года назад +4

    There’s a purple duck on your desk. Just so you know.

    • @attention5638
      @attention5638  2 года назад +1

      He has been sneaking in more and more videos recently haha😅

  • @krisreviews
    @krisreviews 2 года назад +1

    Again... another topic I totally love!!! I do like to think that reading makes people "better", but not necessarily from a moral or empathy perspective. To me, the brain is a muscle, and reading helps to work that muscle... helps develop critical thinking etc. Now, what someone does with that "critical thinking" is a whole nother bag of cats!😁 anyway, that is my idealistic view of reading lol

    • @attention5638
      @attention5638  2 года назад +1

      Oh, I completely agree on that one! And that is a good distinction. Reading, no doubt, can make one better in cognitive growth, which is a kind of good separate from any moral obligation. Thank you!😊😊

    • @krisreviews
      @krisreviews 2 года назад

      @@attention5638 But in the sub cockels of my heart I still like to believe that reading made me a "better" person lol😁

  • @BookishTexan
    @BookishTexan 2 года назад +3

    No surprise, but this was great.

    • @attention5638
      @attention5638  2 года назад

      Oh good! I am glad you think so. I was afraid I may have misunderstood something you had said. I had to keep going back and forth from your video and Marc's to make sure this all made sense 😅

  • @scallydandlingaboutthebook2711
    @scallydandlingaboutthebook2711 2 года назад +3

    I am loving the variety of thoughts that have spun off from my fairly off the cuff question. As you point out reading fiction is linked with empathy but cause and effect is not clear. And we will tend to identify in fiction with elements that confirm our existing values and beliefs.
    Is Pikachu part of an illicit brainwashing experiment on your part?

    • @attention5638
      @attention5638  2 года назад +1

      It is a really great question, and I do hope to see other people join in on the discussion. The responses I have seen have all been fantastic!😊
      And Pikachu may be brainwashing people. I wouldn't put it past him hahah😅

  • @GreenerSideOfSam
    @GreenerSideOfSam 2 года назад +3

    I think fiction doesn’t necessarily make someone better, but puts the reader in a place of conflicting views. The reader can choose to have a bias or choose to put their beliefs aside in order to understand the whole of the story and when the story is understood that is where things like empathy can be formed. But this is hard to do because in some way we are always brainwashed and will have a bias no matter what. But I think it is in seeing and understanding the hero and the villain we don’t necessarily become better according to society, but we may become more whole within ourselves through fiction….I have been reading too much of Fear and Trembling…my mind is mush and I am talking nonsense. Hahaha 😂

    • @stevencorey1278
      @stevencorey1278 2 года назад +1

      "Anakin...'better' is a point of view....and be a good egg."😀

    • @GreenerSideOfSam
      @GreenerSideOfSam 2 года назад +1

      @@stevencorey1278 oh my god I’m never going to live that down 😂

    • @stevencorey1278
      @stevencorey1278 2 года назад +1

      @@GreenerSideOfSam I may be getting old but my memory is still sharp...👴😀👴

    • @GreenerSideOfSam
      @GreenerSideOfSam 2 года назад

      @@stevencorey1278 very true 😂

    • @stevencorey1278
      @stevencorey1278 2 года назад +1

      @@GreenerSideOfSam of course, even though it was your first video, it is still one of your best. You were just a punk kid and your creative energy already out shined pretty much everyone else...not too shabby.😀

  • @denizkaya4996
    @denizkaya4996 2 года назад +1

    Çok güzel paylaşım olmuş ❤️👍

  • @bethannebruninga-socolar
    @bethannebruninga-socolar 2 года назад +1

    I'm really intrigued by this idea that the novel is not a natural form. How are we defining a "novel"? Because nature tells subjective stories all the time. I'm thinking specifically about mimicry, for example plants that mimic female wasps to trick male wasps into attempting to mate. The plant sneakily deposits a pollen packet on the back of the hapless male while he's "mating", and the male eventually wanders off not knowing that he's been duped. I'm using loaded language, I think, with the words "mimic" and "duped" but at its heart, isn't this a story akin to a novel, just written in the color and shape of petals rather than what we consider the written word?

    • @attention5638
      @attention5638  2 года назад +1

      Ah, I didn't see this question, my apologies. And good question too. I thought I should have expanded more on that. What I mean is, the structure of the novel as a product. The concept of a novel is relatively new. It has many elements that may come natural, such as the ones you mention, but the novel as a complete concept was structured (in many ways around something that comes natural) in its accessible form. If that makes more sense.

    • @bethannebruninga-socolar
      @bethannebruninga-socolar 2 года назад

      @@attention5638 Makes total sense! Thanks for answering. :)

  • @jamesfetcho6315
    @jamesfetcho6315 2 года назад +1

    Music in the background...who is it?? Sorry My ears won't let My mind not wonder. LoL.
    You kind of have a Misfits Hair style going on. LoL. Just playing. Ok ...I'll pay Attention!!! now. No pun intended. 😁
    Ah...None of Us invented our Values. Great 👍
    Great Video 👍😁👍

    • @attention5638
      @attention5638  2 года назад

      Ahh, I keep forgetting to put the song in the description, I will have to go back and do that. It is a song called Carefree in France, I found on a royalty free site. And that is actually really funny you say that, because I was thinking the other day, I should totally fix my hair like the bassist to the Misfits 😂🤣

    • @jamesfetcho6315
      @jamesfetcho6315 2 года назад

      @@attention5638 LoL. See I Great Minds think alike. LoL. 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣Yeah If I hear Music I don't know. I always wonder. 👍

  • @JosesAmazingWorlds
    @JosesAmazingWorlds 2 года назад +1

    Wow wow wow… reality is subjective to the individual?!?!?!?! Can deny facts but not emotions? I know what your game is…

    • @attention5638
      @attention5638  2 года назад +1

      Though I do believe in an objective reality--or a reality that exists apart from the individual, I do also believe we perceive it through our perceptions, and through that, we hold a subjective view of it. If that makes sense--I may be too tired at the moment haha😅