LIVE! Real Lawyer Reacts: Charlie Adelson, Dentist Hitman Conspiracy Trial Days 2 and 3
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Loved Jeffrey LaCasse, “I was kinda pathetic”, couldn’t get more honest than that!
Lacasse is a very credible witness imo. His testimony is virtually unchanged. Steadfast Jeffrey. I would trust him 💯.
The first car rented was the exact model of Jeff’s.
Also the two trips to Tallahassee were on the exact weekends Jeff was out of town.
Her friend and her both mentioned Jeff as a possible person.
She asked him if he was still leaving for his trip AFTER breaking up.
I think the second time they needed a rental car , it shows them looking at multiple rental places because they had to have a “similar” car.
And people wonder why he came across a little salty. This could have ruined his life, Or definitely complicated it tremendously if he had still been in town. Innocent people sit in jail all the time, and even get guilty verdict. He literally and figuratively dodged a bullet. He is way too good for Wendi and the Adelsons.
Also, Wendi confirmed the date that Dan was leaving over the phone on Father’s Day when she was in Miami. She had that info when she spoke with Jeffrey.
Wtf... so Wendi got away with murder
LaCasse is not a dumb man. He is an Associate professor at Florida State University in psychology. I wouldn’t dismiss his concerns offhandedly. He certainly came across as truthful, smart, self aware and someone who should be believed
He’s bitter and resentful so he has an agenda…
Given Katie’s testimony and VERY poor decision making skills, my main takeaway is that she is not NEARLY smart or clever enough to be this criminal mastermind that the defense is trying to paint her as. Maybe that was the state’s idea for putting her on the stand and why they didn’t care if she constantly impeached herself
for sure she is not smart enough, just look how she destroyed her life and the life of their own kids leaving them with no father and no mother.
Constantly impeach herself? Today? 🤔 when?
And, to ask when she learned it would be an actual murder (CA told her before the murder), was she given money beforehand for travel expenses etc (yes), when was she paid, how was she paid and by whom. Explained why hitmen had to wait to be paid the next day.
It wouldn’t hurt the dentist to kill a hated ex bil. Defense has zero case.
Rule Katie out of being a mastermind and blackmailer. . She does not have a clue and can't even get her lies straight.
I was the foreman on a murder trial once. And the first thing we asked before we discussed each witness was, are they credible and if not, why would they lie? I would ask the same here, Lacasse has no reason to lie, he has no dog in the fight. He isn't a known liar. He isn't a drug addict. He's a professor with a reputation to protect.
I thought he was very credible
@@soocitysue385I agree. I found him completely credible.
So good. Fact 🙋🏻♀️
I though he came out better at the recall. At the first time he sounded too bitter, too self pityous (is that a word?!! Lol) Didn't feel him as credible the first round
He is very salty. He seems mad because he thinks Wendi betrayed him. Alone the way he is mad she didnt let him buy a new tv ... why would you be mad. Ah yes it was inconvinient for him ... nc
They were trying to frame him for murder! I'd be afraid of those people, too!
It is very disturbing to think that of all 7 people involved in some way in this murder, not one single person stood up and said "no we are not going to have someone killed." Shows how many people out there will do anything for money or revenge.
I think Louis Rivera and Jeff L were credible witnesses.
Impressive how Prof LaCasse can keep all the details and times straight.
If Prof is salty, I think he has plenty of reason to be.
Edit for spelling
Did you notice how Wendi tried to dismiss family involvement by saying "they have the murderers in prison!" ?
I imagine that's what she tells the children.
Yes he’s credible. Wendi is extremely bright and I think she was covering her own tracks and setting up alibis with the tv repairman, liquor store receipt, changing her route that morning claiming she didn’t see any police beyond the taped off area. All of the Adelsons are involved.
Agreed
Agreed! There are way too many coincidences and answers for everything. Sure, coincidences happen, but it’s like they happen all the time with this family.
Peter - insight into wendi's bf. Chef's kiss 👏 I believe him about fear of wendi, may not be because of HER specifically, but previous experience. Don't mock him because he's a man; I believe him.
I have watched all three of Luis’s testimony, every defense lawyer has tried to rattle this guy. I have a sweet spot in my heart for him.
I feel the same way. I know he has done some bad things but had a few things gone differently in his life, I think he could have really been something. He definitely was a credible witness.
So many comments, I’ve been reading, have stated their {like} for Rivera, he’s to me the bad boy, all the girls like. Lol, honestly, I think he’s likable too, on the witness stand, anyways, but facts prove that he assisted in a murder. Nice isn’t the common denominator in that .
so do i!!
I agree, it’s like he knows he’s done bad things but he just wants this to be over. He has no reason to lie, he seemed a bit down to admit that his good friend had lied to him repeatedly about the hit and the money. He also freely admitted to being in a gang who he referred to as ‘family’.
It's interesting how aggressive the defense lawyer was with everyone except Luis. You could tell he was intimidated by him. Didn't want to mess with the Latin Kings:).
I think Wendi is the mastermind
She's an attorney. I don't think Wendy is the mastermind. But she seems manipulative in her personal life. I believe she was aware of the murder plan. The entire family grew up with money. They seem to think the rules don't apply to them.🙄😖😡
I think Wendy is the one person not involved
@jasonlisowski1 why? I am leaning towards her knowing about it. There are 2 things I can't get passed with her. 1. She drove down to the street Dan lived on. Says the street was taped off and saw all the cop cars. She said she turned around and didn't think anything about it. Her kids were with Dan. Her kids were in his custody at the time. I don't know anyone who would have not asked what was going on or would plow through a football team to make sure their kids were ok, or called the school to check that they were there. 2. In her police interview, she never once asked about her kids and if they were ok. The officer brough it up late in the interview. I think it was because she already knew they were not home at the time of the murder.
@@lesliesmith1103i was thinking the same things. Cops at my ex house and my children are with him and ok I will go have a lunch anyway! ?
@@NathalieBreault yeah. The only way her inaction makes sense was she knew. Her interview was also not believable with her self-induced excessive panting that stop on a dime to answer a question that caught her off guard..
Wait a minute...Defense attorney freaks out and asks the ex-boyfriend why he didn't go to the police when he heard a family member was interested in hiring a hit man? Why didn't defense attorney freak out and ask his client why he didn't go to the police when three people were supposedly framing him for murder and extorting him for money? Makes no sense.
Checkmate!!
Does anyone really think a drug addicted, boozer, jealous looser like SG would be able to figure out a complicated extortion plan to get back at CA. C’mon people, pull the other one!
Amen
He didn’t realize he was being framed until he was at the police office and was being interrogated.
@@godislove4540 framed? Charlie surely was in fact not framed.
Lacasse is superbly credible, honest, even spoke one point of his own weaknesses directly. He and the older man who found Dan were the two most credible witnesses. Katie told the truth this time. Her head movements matched when she said yes or no. In the other two they didn’t match.
Thx for covering this trial⚖️👍The ex b/f is credible.
Jeffrey drives a silver Nissan Sentra. First car they rented was a silver Nissan Altima. Both attempts at Rivera and Garcia murdering DM were at times JL was going out of town. I’d say he’s right about them trying to frame him for the murder of DM. You’re forgetting that this Charlie Adelson we are talking about; the same guy who claims someone murdered his brother in law, halfway across the state, and then blackmailed him for over two years and yet even though they were in custody for said murder, CA never came forward to testify against them or even talk to the police regarding said murder? I mean these are people who come up with outlandish $h!+ to justify themselves. Not to mention murder to get their way. Not too far fetched that they were planning on framing JL when you put it all together.
I agree I felt bad for Jeffrey
@@christydurbin9277 he seems like a really legit nice guy, but he really needs to self reflect on how wrapped up he gets in a woman. For sho.
I think Lacasse is very credible.
You left my favorite part out of Wendi's ex.....the defence reaction when he said he shredded , or got rid, of all the notes he compiled to go to P.D I was literally laughing at defence lawyers reaction throwing hands up say YOU DID WHAT ?!?!
Hey Peter! This is my third rewatch of this video. You’re the only RUclips creator that listen to videos over and over. Actually, JCS was the only other creator that I could listen to endlessly. Thank you for all that you do! You make a workday better.
I’m on rewatch. That defense attorney makes my skin crawl. I actually started watching the trial Friday bc of your coverage. I totally found Jeff to be a credible witness. Wendy not so much. She gets caught telling stupid lies such as whether she was close to her brother. Also the majority of law and crime chat are saying Charlie better get ready for prison.
Peter! Come on. If you had met Charlie and had weird vibes with him and knew he was shady and then this murder happens and Wendi told you about the hitman joke and the not joke and then you wouldn’t be worried or concerned? With such a wacky family? You are quite confident then. He is a social worker by trade, he knew what he was messing with. AND HE WAS RIGHT! He had this solved in the beginning.
But after all that…he still wanted her back? Knowing she literally just killed her ex in cold blood?
They guy is weird
@@sallycinnamon5370 he loved her boys. I am sure in a better setting he could have elaborated and I bet you the idea of her getting back with him was IF He was wrong about everything. Or a sink cost fallacy. But He kept saying I hope I’m wrong. Also, he went to therapy for 8 months while seeing her bc she was such a mindf*ck. It could have been his first time dating a sociopath or narcissist and it wasn’t easy to figure it out in real time. I think he is a guy with a big heart. Charlie was the creep. Then he slowly figured out Wendi was creepy AF. He clearly knows now that his initial hesitation out of love was bonkers.
He didn’t ‘literally know’ that. And he said that he hoped he was wrong in his police interview. Like many people in love/lust, he wanted to believe that he was wrong. He’s like anyone else on the planet who is suspicious but not convinced - think back on situations in your own life - we have these intuitions but we discount them. We get a gut feeling someone is shady or off but think we are being ridiculous especially without absolute proof. Life isn’t a conducted with the benefit of having watched police interrogations or having the text transcripts or bump audios. I’d say his worst crime was being a bit pathetic which he also admitted. @@sallycinnamon5370
Agree
@@Burningheartcelosia I would believe that. I just don’t believe that he didn’t talk because he was afraid of her at the time that he was covering for her but also want to get back together with her.
I could absolutely see a twisted love or obsession. I think it is revisionist to blame fear though. He SHOULD have been afraid.
Can't bring myself to watch the Take care of Maya case.
My 8 year old has a chronic pain condition and it's so heart breaking to see her in pain, to hear her say I wish I was like a normal girl I couldn't even begin to imagine what Maya and her mother went through and what Maya will still be going through. I hope the family gets some justice 💜
I'm so sorry ,and I will.lift a prayer for your child 🙏
I SO wish the jury could be shown the police interviews because 1) a lot of the questions everyone is debating, the answers are literally right there in the interviews!, and 2) there are some little details being said that are incorrect, which could get fixed if everyone could listen carefully to the interviews. I’ve watched each of them (Wendi, Jeff, June, etc.) several times each and a lot of this back and forth speculating could be resolved with them. But I guess there’s a legal reason I don’t understand why they can’t. Although I have seen them shown in other trials, idk.
Yes. EXACTLY!!!!!! why no videos!!!!!!!!!!!!!???????
Peter, I know you are super busy but if you have time could you do an update video on all the crazy stuff that’s been happening with the judge and defense lawyers in Richard Allen’s trial (Delphi case)?
Peter you should cover the Ferriter Case. About abuse of adopted child. Husband n Wife in Jupiter FL. Separate trials. Watched the husbands was found guilty. Waiting for the wife's trial to come up.
I like this attorney. He's mirroring the witness's demeanor which amps up the witness!
I’ve always been really dismayed that people don’t inform the police when they hear of someone looking for a hit man.
Look at this case we can't even get all of them knowing that they all have rolls in this case
As Jeff said on the stand, it was past tense. He was told Charlue HAD looked into it not WAS.
It is also a crime called “misprision of s felony.”
The poor lad Jeff were whipped, after telling him about the hitman he still wanted a relationship with Wendy, that's really morbid...
I know it’s really sad. Actually there are many words for it. I just wonder how many lives would be saved.
Look at Mike Dippolito . He was saved because Dalia Dippolito friend Mohammed who she confided in reported her to the police and they manage to save his life.
If this dude came forward
professor could of been saved!
I am just starting your video, I followed the trial days after days, and imo the Defense attorney when crossing Katie was the most pathetic ridiculously performance I have ever seen in Court. He looked like a jester unable to control himself, an unbearable voice, jumping and shouting like a 2-years old having a tantrum in the supermarket, he was all over the place and he even looked like he was gonna slap the face of Katie for staying solid, calm et much smarter in her game than him... he did no good for his client.
Next should be Wendi and Donna, the 2 monstruous women behind the scene, the 2 who will let Charlie rots behind bars without taking responsibilities for their own actions. Despicables women!!!
Thank you Cats addict finally someone just seeing something for what it is £>?#£€!
EVERYBODY … seems to TRIVIALIZE something that is plain and simple … black and white.
Period.
I agree. The defense attorney's cross examination of Katie Magbanua was weak. He should have locked in her testimony by deposing her prior to trial. Then he could have effectively cross examined her and come on strong when her answer in court differed from her answer in the deposition. He didn't depose her, and he ended up looking like he was having a childish tantrum in court. Not a good look. He also asked questions in such a way that he was basically planting Charlie Adelson's narrative instead of genuinely questioning her.
I agree with you. This defense attorney is a joke. His over acting is so stupid. I hope the jury sees through him. And understands there’s no reason for these people to lie. This family is evil.
You are correct. He was really mean and desperate. He realised that he was losing.
17:30 no idea how that voting happened but imo he’s very credible , professional guy compared to anybody there apart from Wendi herself he’s the best witness so far in terms of believable
Why don’t they ask her directly who paid for her attorneys?
because she didn't know, I think was Charles family but they do it like someone else donated.
I think it was the adelsons but it’s been hushed up, that’s why she lied. She thought her paid for defence would get her off, I mean rich people pay people off all the time don’t they. She’s just stupid tbh, should have taken immunity!
So glad you’re covering this! I’ve been watching but none of my regular RUclips ppl are covering it
Recaps, fkrvsyre❤❤❤
Get into the justice for Dan loop - there are channels that are exclusively covering this and are so much more versed than Peter. I love Peter but his coverage on this is driving me mad.
Surviving the survivor
Fanci fiction
The society page
Law belle vie
Jury trial mentor
Deep dive true crime
Mentour lawyer
AALegalFocus
Katiecoolady
@@Burningheartcelosia I actually follow all of these channels already, they’re just only channels I watch for this case specifically, when I watch like Peter, Emily, Bruce Rivers etc… daily so I enjoy consuming their videos a lot more
Those texts would have lost the case for me. His “friend” was not nice on the stand but seemed genuine. I have no idea why they read the texts out loud in court.
Peter, Peter, Peter (lol)... I absolutely find it credible that he would be a little scared for his life... Not because he thinks these people go around putting hits out on people willy nilly, but because he has information that could add "puzzle pieces" to this specific crime that could help get them convicted. They have already shown they are willing to kill one person - so of course it'd go through your mind that they could potentially kill someone else to shut them up. I think I would be scared, too. 😮
Thank you! Peter it is interesting and I'd like to know if you think anyone else will be charged? And I love your channel it's very educational and informative especially when you and your dad get together answering all our questions.Keep doing what you are doing,I haven't found an episode yet that has not delivered! Totally 💯 Awesome! I Love it!
Lacasse is Credible witness but most believable in early police interviews. He "chewed the bone" of his interactions with Wendy/murder attempt/timelines and got to a place where he felt nearly set up. He believes his logic about possible set up, but it presents as fear based not factual. Better had the tapes of interviews been played for jury, all this verbal rehashing of who said what to who on what date is TEDIOUS easily done with tapes of interviews.
Isn't this in Florida? Why isn't the Jury asking questions???
The defense attorney could not rattle Katie. I’m so glad she kept her calm. I don’t think he scored much on his cross.
Agree. Kate got herself in a mess and couldn’t save herself because she isn’t too bright. How anyone believes she and SG could cook up a complicated extortion plan is farcical
LaCasse not Lucas....
If we are not highly manipulative as this family is, we can't use our judgment on whether they would or wouldn't have done something.
Very good point
Wow, so many twists and turns in this trial is so confusing and so sad for the victim and his family in the manner which he was killed, and his kids left without a father, and it all happened because she wanted to take the kids away from the father and now she got a chance to do it. I mean she benefited from his death because she has the kids with her now she was able to relocate And have her kids with her, that poor man lost his life her and her family benefit a great deal from his death justice for him and his family, may he rest in peace 😢💔💐 my deepest condolences to his family and friends
I think the reason Katie rejected immunity was because Sigfredo was under threat of receiving the death sentence at the time she was required to testify. She felt like she was contributing to his death by admitting guilt and flipping on the both of them. At least this is what she stated in prior trial(s). She said that she did not take immunity because she would have to give up Sigfredo,not because she was being loyal to Charlie. She stated that in order to testify against Charlie she would have to give up Sigfredo.
Mostly always have to be replay crew for your updates as I am fast asleep on UK time .lol
Sifting through this madness you were so good and even brought levity to this craziness.
I’ve been waiting for your analysis on this!!
Missed the live but catching it now. Listening while I'm working. Thank you for your analysis /commentary!
This case is WILD. I have no idea what's happening except that family keeps some very interesting company.
I thought Lacasse was very credible, and do think Wendi was trying to frame him, it might not have been a well put together plan but I do think that was at least an angle she was exploring.
Maybe I am the outlier here, but the defense attorney is irritating the living daylights out of me.
Thanks Peter that is a crazy case so many loops. ❤
Jeff Always said "Can i tell you something in Confidence."The Offer to Katie was off the Table after Sigfredo got Convicted.
Great breakdown of this day's proceedings. Thanks. Peter!
Very credible. He rubs you the wrong way because he is actually a decent person
No matter how you cut it, Charlie is guilty because he knew he was extorted (his defense is weak). We know he really wasn’t extorted.
Apart from the Melly trial this is my fav , keep it up 👍
He's So credible. He's been consistent for years. Totally believed him. Defense is trying- and failing to discredit him and one's convicted. Charlie is toast...
Why and how did so many ppl know about this? Did Wendi testify for the state or the defense? I’m a little confused
The ferried case is the boy in the box. The dad turned down a plea deal which would have given him basically no time considering there was video evidence of the child abuse. And now he could be in prison for decades.
I love his… what’s up, everybody!!
If it were true that Charlie was being extorted the fact that he has known who committed the murder all these years and never reported that to law enforcement with he not be charged with aiding and abetting in the smarter
Catching up on this one! Merry Christmas Peter!!!!🎄💗🌸
The only thing left in the Ferriter case is sentencing, right? 2 parents locked their adopted, teen son in an 8x8 box in the garage. Dad was found guilty of 3 child abuse charges. Mom's trial might begin in January?
I like Rash actually, he's very personable . He seems like a nice guy. Don't agree with his defence theory but interested to see where it goes.
You always leave us better ❤
I love your take on this trial (you haven't made your mind up) the more the better. Everyone else seems biased already
Probably because nearly 100% of the evidence has already been seen via the trials that have already put 3 people in prison. If you’re going to formulate an opinion, you basically have all the information you’ll be getting, on which to base that opinion.
Wendy telling Lacosse about Charlie’s joke, one week before the murder was Wendy’s way of throwing Charlie under the bus
Glad your following this, so great to hear a view from a lawyer! Thanks for the updates. ✌️ 👏 👏 😎
Here are channels that cover this for 1-2-7 years:
Surviving the survivor
Fanci fiction
The society page
Law belle vie
Jury trial mentor
Deep dive true crime
Mentour lawyer
AALegalFocus
Katiecoolady
Lacasse is credible and consistent. His story nas never changed from the beginning.
The defense yelling so much really gets on my nerves. He needs to chill it just a bit
I told my sister something yesterday and told her, this is confidential :-)
I really like your night videos. I was hoping you would do this one live. Love your intake in any case.
Maybe I'm a minority but I did like her this time. I think she didn't take immunity because she wanted to be aquitted and keep sugar daddy aka the dentist forever but now that she was convicted, it's not fair Charlie is at large so why not tell the truth. I don't really know her upbringing but I think she has survived through lying on a whim her whole life. I found her demeanor in this trial totally different from the previous trials. I believe her 90% this time. P.S. this defense lawyer is so unlikable though.
I, too, liked Katie on the stand this time. I think she scored some points for the prosecution. The defense attorney made a big deal about Katie lying in the past, and I don't think this was a very effective strategy. Are any of us shocked that a person arrested for committing murder would lie in an attempt to get out of trouble? Uh, no. If anything, I think Katie should have leaned harder into the whole "I am a Liar" theme. I don't know her motive for finally telling some of the truth, but I would have respected a solid, "I am finally telling what really happened because Charlie set this murder up. No way is he going to go free when I am serving a life sentence for doing the exact same thing!". That would have had the ring of truth.. Yes, the defense attorney would have skewered Katie for saying that, but I think the jurors would have found it to be a very credible answer. It definitely would have been a Perry Mason moment in the court room.
Love this guy!
Wendy is soooooo guilty. As an attorney very odd she can’t remember things that are touchy
First time seeing this page. U are a great speaker ..
thank yoU!
If someone told me they looked into hiring a hitman to get rid of their ex and I 1000% believed them, I'm calling the cops ASAP. That said, I believe Jeffs testimony.
If Magbanua was truly extorting him, then Charlie would have implicated her right after the bump for being responsible for that too. He would’ve been angry instead of scared.
I mean c’mon mr defense attorney, use your brain cells.
25:31 these texts are so bad for Charlie. I completely agree with you!
Damn…. Immunity and she said no!!! Multiple times!!! Come on now love… 🤦🏻♀️ I’m with you Peter. It makes NO LOGICAL SENSE…. If you had immunity offered, why then, why take that chance?? I don’t get it, either.
His last name is not Lucas
Yea, this guy doesn’t seem to have done too much homework on this case
I caught that too. And the motion in limine question by a viewer, he doesn't know what she was talking about. Didn't he watch the trial? That came up right in Lacasse testimony
@@viabaking7626 yea, if he watched the trial he would of known exactly what the viewer was referring too… it was a big deal that day.
In regards to Katie; she has very little room to wiggle so she may as well pick and choose what to say. If she wants now to say the truth she will. I do think she speaks the truth this time.
Hello Peter, well, defense attorney is little bit too much to handle. If I am a juror, he would score many negatives as him treating every witness so hostile would imply he has something to hide, or he goes so much to the extreme to hide the truth.
If the defense makes a statement on the parents behave doesn't the prosecution gets to cross them.........?
The defense attorney is good, he’s made me doubt where as before I wouldn’t have considered
Burn is horrendous
Charlie has a great lawyer
The Rashbaum "extracurricular stuff" - the unbidden commentary - is how fictional criminal lawyers act, haha.
Does anyone believe everything the ex bf said? Why would Wendi tell him that and not be into him? So odd.
To set him up as the fall guy I believe.
I believe him, he said that since the beginning and didn't change anything
You haven’t watched his interviews with police. It shows. And it’s sad the state didn’t spend more time with him to get all the newbies on board. Jeff solved this from day one.
She was setting him up, clearly.
I believe this guy.😁
Also as far as this crazy defense strategy they should have watched true crime shows it is very common for hits to be paid over time or when insurance pays out.
This is about murder hiring hitman and Peter is worried about kids hearing curse words?
Did you notice that testerday when they asked Magbanua about who paid the lawyers, Charlie looked really panicked! This must be pointed out to Georgia!
I don’t ever get redirected like you said not sure why that doesn’t happen nor am I getting the notifications when your live. Not sure why. If you could help with that would be great.
How do i get a membership gifted? Would love to have one for Christmas 🎄
5:55 I don’t find the confidential thing weird at all. It just seems like another phrasing of “just between you and me” 🤷🏻♀️
Nightly I’m not able to watch it. Love hearing your take on it. ❤
I appreciate it! Thanks!
I dont know about "appearing" credible on the stand but Lacasse broke the case WIDE OPEN!! He thought it was Charlie from the jump
I wish more discover that the cross of Katie, Charlies lawyer kept saying he would get back to a certain issue. Something he never did.
That is what some lawyers do when they don't have the receipts for their claims.
I think Charlie’s attorney is way better than Katherine’s
That wouldn’t take much at all
I don't like this defense attorneys way of asking questions.
Now that we know the outcome of this case, except for what happens to Wendi, from the start of listening to this case I have believed this guy and I have been completely blown away that Wendi probably scared the crap out of him confiding in him at the very end of their relationship. I’m very suspicious at this point and have wondered what Wendi’s motives were by revealing such a horrific story and sharing it with him! She’s messed up and that kind of information would have created such fear and make him wonder IF he is safe. I have tons of compassion for him, just watching him squirm in his seat it’s so easy to see that he is Still traumatized by that whole experience.