EPIC Aluminum Screened Porch Build
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- Опубликовано: 6 авг 2024
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Great job and tutorial! Thanks!
Good luck with the project
A very professional looking job. The completed project is one to be proud of.
Thanks man
Beautiful finished product! Very much appreciate the tips, tricks and suggestions 🙂
Thanks. Yeah, it turned out pretty nice ... those aluminum frames are long lasting for sure. :)
Wow wow wow! It looks so great! Well done!!
Woohoo!
Helluva job. And I love porches with ceiling fans. I bet it'll be nice; come summer.
Thanks! It was a fun one
Great video, thank you!
you betcha!
great job! I want to screen in under our deck but I will do it in wood for now, I’m planning on using pre -made door screens so I won’t have to hand install the screen, also that way I can remove them for cleaning.
Sounds like a great plan ... you're gonna love it!
If there wasn't a before and after no one will ever know the difference that the screen was added later looks nice
I hadn't thought of it that way ... I guess it does integrate well with their deck. I think that was the plan from the start
Thank you for the video. Enjoyed it and made me aware of another option.
We have previously done a similar job on our house for an 8'x16' three-sided covered porch very much like this one, and are now looking at a much larger porch. For the sake of other viewers, I'll say how we did it...
The Armstrong product you used is both structural and cosmetic. I wasn't aware of it with the previous porch we screened. I will cost it out for our job.
So on that previous job, we built something up. For the structure, we ripped down some pressure treated dimensional wood a bit, which we covered or clad with pvc sleeves. We used a combination of 2x2"-10ft white pvc square profile downspouts for horizontal and vertical members between posts, and larger 4x4-8' pvc post covers at porch corners. I think we got both of them at Lowe's, and they both are still shown available.
Then for the screen part, we used the "Screen Tight" system, also easily found at Lowe's. It has flat vinyl flanges to fit 2x4's or 4x4's. The pvc covered posts we built and these flanges together make up a unit like this Armstrong aluminum post. So that was more labor our way.
For us, it'll come down to total cost but also how much extra labor will be required ripping wood and stuffing the pvc sleeves with wood -- and we all know how much wood has increased in price lately. Aluminum just might be more cost effective!
(If someone had an existing porch with painted wooden horizontal and vertical structure to it, there are examples of Screen Tight just screwed directly to the old porch pieces, and that might be the way to go. But our porch has big columns, already clad, but nothing in between them. Plus we're trying to avoid any paint surfaces on exterior -- it'll be pvc or aluminum clad for us.)
Still exploring options. Hope this helps a future viewer in some way.
Other comparisons I can think of:
-- There is a color choice of ScreenTight vinyl caps to cover these flanges when done. The Armstrong caps seem to cover the middle one inch, while the Screen Tight cover the whole flange. I'm sure both work well. Our porch looks very much like yours, only the verticals and horizontals on ours are wider-looking 2" pieces, where the Armstrong is visually narrower. [Edit -- can't find the Armstrong product per se; the current Home Depot aluminum does not have the removable cover for screwing, it's solid aluminum.]
-- Our system didn't require any mounting brackets for posts or rails - and on Home Depot's site, I only see a metal L-bracket. Is it possible they've changed their system? [ Wait -- we must have used an L-bracket to connect the horizontal rails to the posts? It's been too long...]
-- The downspouts are 10ft; will have to look into the Armstrong system having longer pieces, as this newer porch is too tall for 8ft verticals, unless we build a bottom wall for them to sit upon.
-- The durability of both systems structurally ought to be fine, I think. Our porch is about 10 years old in the Southeast region and has held up extremely well. I wash it with a pressure washer each Spring, including the screen. I don't know what our screen is made of, polyester or something? We put a heavier pet-strong screen on the bottom portion, and a lighter weight on the top, and you can't tell the difference installed.
Great info here! Thanks for posting and super interesting!
@@metaspencer Thank YOU for such a helpful video. You did a superb job with the screened porch. As usual!
Just fyi, I can't find the Armstrong system yet online. (There's an Armstrong Aluminum company in Florida but that seems to be an installer.) I seem to be having better luck searching on "aluminum screened porch framing systems."
I see ScreenTight, makers of the PVC "flange and cover" type system sold at Lowe's, also has a separate extruded aluminum system called FastTrack. Interesting take on it. It uses small solid plastic clips that are screwed into the structural members - it says every 16" - and then the aluminum just clips over that. Seems it requires you to combine two of the open-backed pieces around these clips to create a 2x2" rail or post. www.screentight.com/pdf/FT-InfoPiece.pdf
Just for the exercise, I just costed out an 8ft across x 8ft high section with one horizontal 8ft rail, stand alone. Without splines, screws, or screening. (No tax or shipping or anything included.)
....... The Screen Tight, at Home Depot, @ $3.75 for caps and base flanges each, and applied onto existing porch structure, just $37.50.
............... If a PVC structure were built up for the same ScreenTight, our practice 8ftx8ft with one rail unit would cost $130.50.
[ I was using five 2.5"x2.5" -10ft downspouts (@ $10.58 at Lowe's -- H.D. did not have this plain style currently) and stuffing them with 8ft [non- PT] studs @ about $8 in my area currently, that ADDS another $93 to the system. Five 8ft stuffed downspouts. (I was wasting a couple of feet of downspouts for the purpose of this exercise.) Clearly the cost of wood currently is an issue; last year that would have been about $65 here.]
....... I costed out the EZ Screen system pieces at Home Depot, four 1x2 -8ft open sided pieces and one 2x2 -8ft for the rail. $137.62
....... Also costed out 6 pieces ScreenTight FastTrack channel pieces at Home Depot (cheaper than online, it's $19.16 here, ordered, pickup at store or free delivery to home). Four outside channels and using two channels to form a horizontal rail -- but I was guessing using online prices of about 75c/clip for 58 clips every 10inches of run to mount the aluminum... it might be you have to order in batches of 100 clips or 300/box. Would require further investigation. Estimated at $158.50
Seems unless you have an existing structure to use, and given the cost of wood currently, might as well go with the aluminum system and pick based on ease of installation. And unless you have a reason to like the FastTrack, if your porch has 8ft tall openings, the EZScreen system would be in stock and probably the way to go. My porch is 10ft tall, so I'd have to cost out a 10ft tall section. And it's only 6ft between most of the posts, so special order - they do seem to make 10 and 12ft channels. Easily cut; if available.
That's as far as I'm going to look now. Just wanted a feeling of the cost of these systems.
@@rwind656 sounds like you've done some good research! yeah, that aluminum channel you linked to looks like pretty much the same stuff. Cut slow and carefully and you'll get some nice connections
DAMN FINE JOB!
Thanks for checking it out! Yeah, it was a fun one
I use a plastic wheel attached to my knife (I never use metal wheels) abc supply sells them they are great. I don't use soap I stretch the spline a bit before putting it in unless it's warm out then it goes right in. Good looking job though I like how you did the pillers
I bet that works well! I always struggle with the screen ... sounds like a good technique
While i can understand people want protection from bugs but man screened porches really destroy everything i like about sitting outside.
Also really good work.
Birds also hit the screens ... I know what you mean
Nice work. Black flies are the worst. I swear by Sawyer's Time Release DEET. Put it on in the morning and you're protected all day. Doesn't sweat or wash off
Never tried it. Thanks for the tip
Nice video
Thanks for checking it out!
I would like more information on the materials you used on this project. My daughter wants me to screen in her front porch, and she doesn't want the 2X4 that I've done before. I sent her this video, and she fell in love with that product. Thank you for the entire handyman diaries. I appreciate it.
Fred Fish oh cool! Yeah this is flat spline channel from Armstrong... I think even Lowe’s sells a version. Then you just need connection brackets, a fine toothed saw blade, screen, and spline
@@metaspencer thank you.
This was such a professional job. Your attention to detail is amazing.
One question: do you seal the bottom so water doesn't sit under the aluminum when it rains? And if so, do you seal inside and outside? And what do you use?
Thanks in advance for the reply. 😊
Great job!!!
This porch was on one of those manufactured plank decks, so I didn't think about sealing the bottom -- but it would be a good idea. I'd use a polyurethane sealant on the outside at the very least, just to keep the gunk out. Thanks for checking out the video!
Wow so nice! Exactly what we're looking for. How much did this cost you and how long did it take you? From the video, it looks like you did this all in just a day?!
Took a week working half days. You’re gonna love it
Looks like everyone I've seen what's epic about it
I'll have to retitle it 'Run of the Mill Screened Porch" :)
I thought it was epic 😮
Great job. Where did you purchase your aluminum. I like how the screws are hidden.
Thanks for checking it out. The supplies came from a supplier here in town called "Armstrong Lumber." That channel is pretty readily available -- I think I've even seen it on the Lowes website.
My porch is similar but the columns/posts on the corners are round and tapered. Any ideas on how to attach the channels on the corners to those types of columns? Thank you!
Working with round columns usually goes one of two ways: either creating a scooped/concave matching end to your rails or cutting into the column so you can attach a squared off butt end. It just takes a bit of work to get the ends right when scooping them out and making concave connections. Sounds like a nice house!
I truly enjoyed the video. Where can I find the supplies?
Thanks for checking it out! The supplies were ordered from my local hardware store, but you may be able to find the rails at stores like Lowes. Check online. Good luck!
What is the name of the alumnum screen package and where did you buy it from? It looks beautiful!
I didn't get it as a package -- the parts came from my local hardware store. I believe the aluminum is called "box rail" ... you should be able to find it
hi, where did you buy footers/little brackets to install the 2x2 posts? thank you
All of the brackets came from my local hardware store -- they were a dealer of the tubing I used
Are the verticals that you installed under 8 foot cause the only place I can even find this stuff is on the home depo website and it is right under 8 foot long and man is it expensive stuff. It’s damn 40 bucks for a stick of it. On the home depo website it is advertised it comes in 8 10 and 12 foot length but it’s only availability is in 8 foot length. Thanks for the helpful video
Yeah, prices on all building materials have gone through the roof! I go the channel for this porch project at our local hardware store and yeah, they had all kinds of lengths. If 8' works for you I'd go for it. The stuff is aluminum and lasts very well. Good luck with it!
Hello how are you I do porch and deck screening But I have only been doing wood and I am interested in getting into aluminum where would I be able to get the aluminum track
The aluminum is pretty amazing stuff ... my local hardware store was able to special order it
Where do you buy this products? Grate video thanks looks really good!!
Search for "box channel" it's aluminum ... thanks
@@metaspencer okey thanks a lot
Can you explain more how you installed it thru the vinyl siding ??
Sure thing: you just have to very carefully trim the siding back so you can access the sheathing or framing of the house. Attach to the building then trim out the siding so you have a clean look and connection
And one more thing on the ceiling I have soffit what do you recommend what should I do
@@juanjoseadventure7359 If the ceiling is level you could run the framing for the screen along the soffit ... if it's sloped you may need to cut into it to make a tight connection
This looks pretty. What was the total cost for supplies?
It's a great porch. Unfortunately, I was just a subcontractor on this one and didn't purchase the supplies ... but you should be able to make an estimate for yourself by looking into the particulars of your structure. This is the type of track I used: www.homedepot.com/p/EZ-Screen-Room-8-ft-x-2-in-x-2-in-Aluminum-White-Extrusion-with-Spline-Track-EZSR8PW/202453633
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Metaspencer, if you were going to go back and turn this into a four-season porch eventually, what would you use?
for a four season porch I build with windows that open and close with screens. That's worked well for me. Fixed windows as well for more light. You can do windows you pull off but storing them is always a pain.
Oh, and then insulating from below
@@metaspencer Understood. Thanks for the reply. I was meaning for a retrofit. Trying to decide to bite the bullet and go ahead and frame in for windows at this point or expect to do it in future and just screen in now. (Building supplies are getting so expensive this last year! I assume window costs have gone up with the rest of it.)
@@rwind656 Yeah, prices are out of control but I'm not sure they'll ever come down ... it's always nice to build exactly what you want and it sounds like full framing would be nice
What product did you use to screen in the existing porch?
It all came through my local hardware store ... I believe the aluminum is called box tubing for screens
where did you purchase the horizontal and vertical track?
Ordered it through my local lumber yard ... I've seen it listed on Lowes' website as well ... good luck with it!
what would you do if the columns were concrete and stucco ? how to work around the decorative details?
No problem ... just attach the system of rails to the concrete with concrete screws or mollies and get to work
What kind of saw do you use for fine alaminum cut : miter saw? And why blade do you recommend ?thank you
@fritzs1207 fine tooth blade just go real slow … very slow
thanks@@metaspencer
Where did you purchase the bracket footers?
all the supplies came through my local lumber yard ... you may be able to find it all the same way
where did you get the materials
Local lumber yard could order it all ... I've even seen the rails on the Lowes online page
Could you tell me where or how you purchase these aluminum bars?
I got them on order at a local lumber yard, but I believe stores like Lowes carry them as well. Here's a link to something similar so you can get a sense of the terminology: www.homedepot.com/p/EZ-Screen-Room-95-25-in-x-2-in-x-2-in-White-Screen-Room-Aluminum-Extrusion-with-Spline-Track-EZSR8PW/202453633
@@metaspencer not on Lowes website
@@brucer1220 try searching for "EZ Screened Room" at Home Depot or whatever
Where can you get the material?
Ordered it from my lumberyard
Would have been nice to see the door installation
yeah it took some measuring twice but goes in just like any other door -- just gotta leave your tolerances (1/4" as I recall)
Where can I buy material alarm screen doorway
Sorry it should of said where can I buy the material, I’m in Fl. Home Depot & Lowe’s don’t have the material
I ordered it through a local lumber yard ... you may have one in your area that can place a special order
None of my lumber yards have the Channel that has a slit on the cap, i’m going crazy trying to find is there any other special name that you call it I appreciate all your help
Screen channel? I’ve seen it on the Lowe’s website
what state are located in
this is in Illinois
framing in the door for a square , even door fit and closing is one of the main parts that needed to be shown and talked about?????
You've definitely gotta get those measurements right
With everything you showed... nothing on installing the horizontals.
sorry to have left that out. in this build the horizontal pieces were held up with aluminum brackets, so it was just a question of cutting the horizontal pieces exactly to length and screwing them in with the brackets in place.
Thanks. Just frustrated because I thought you did a great job and would show it. There’s no video on YT showing it, and I’m trying to figure out how mine is put together to take apart. It has no visible screws and doesn’t clip. You did a good job, thanks for the reply.
@@robiberg3464 I'm wondering if 1) your horizontal pieces are attached internally with screws from inside the posts? or 2) they're welded in place? The horizontal pieces I installed in this build were very obviously screwed in place with brackets. Good luck!
How to install a screen door on these aluminum posts is a big deal and not straight forward as there's no stop for the door. I'm still trying to figure it out. That would have been very informational to at least discuss how you did it even if filming it wasn't included.
If you don't have stops try riveting on or screwing on some angle-aluminum. That will give you a good stop for the door
You are enclosing a porch not building a patio.
Well said man!!