I still remember discovering that one kurb in Seattle circuit in Gran Turismo 3, I remember hitting it acidentally with the Formula GT but instead of the car go fly, it sticked to the kurb and then I was able to go much faster around the corner, like a Gutter Run but inverted
I hated that circuit when I was a kid, then I got addicted to GTPSP in my adolesence and it became my favourite city circuit for a while. That curb is so rewarding when you nail it.
5:45 it's really easy to teach yourself this technique and how it feels if you take the MX-5 Cup car around Mugello in AC. the corners and curbs at Mugello mixed with the MX-5 Cup's predictability make for a near perfect learning scenario.
Watching all the way from South Africa looking to make motorsport my career however I am in my first year at UKZN I learned a lot of theory from this channel and thanks to the information I am getting closer and closer to my dreams
There is also slow speed inside apex sausage kerbs on some hairpins, where you can hook the inside wheels on the inside of the curb, effectively making a berm for the inside wheels. Hairpin at the end of Jerez's backstraight is a good example.
The way I use curbs is basically, I put my inner wheels inside the curb so my wheels are on the grass. My wheels will grab the curb, and will slingshot my car around the corner. It is like the gutter run but using curbs instead.
Watkins curb inside front touch isn't actually caused by the inside front losing traction as the video indicates. It's actually caused because the touch loads the inside left front for a moment, which unloads both the outside left front and inside right rear, and in turn loads up the outside left rear, breaking it's traction slightly. This dynamic change in crossweight, mainly due to the outside left rear getting slightly more loaded, causes the car to oversteer. It's similar to touching the apron at an oval track, causing an oversteer moment.
Watkins curb inside front touch isn't actually caused by the inside front losing traction. It's actually caused because the touch loads the inside left front for a moment, which unloads both the outside left front and inside right rear, and in turn loads up the outside left rear, breaking it's traction slightly. This dynamic change in crossweight, mainly due to the outside left rear getting slightly more loaded, causes the car to oversteer. It's similar to touching the apron at an oval track, causing an oversteer moment.
Was holding on nitpicking till 5:45 explanation... No, that's not how it works. The kerbs do loose you traction (mostly because of tyre movement up/down for which dampers are much under prepared to deal). but they help you turn in different ways: 1) The kerb is higher, putting inside front there moves the weight distribution off the rear inside to there, changing the cars mechanical balance. This is the most common reason for kerbs giving oversteer. (even at watkins, just the track camber change over kerb is enough to have this) 2) AC kerbs are sticky, the earlier noted damping issues combined with limited physics frame rate can lead to runaway tyre loads which can randomly pull the car >laterally< (its a glitch). If the stars align (frequencies match) its possible to rely on this glitch in race over many laps. Ofc the that one is very rare but AFAIR THAT particular kerb has just the right spacing and common car speeds to get it, so chances are that's what you discovered. A more "famous" case of kerbs doing 2) are some (old-ish) popular videos at spa in GT3s which over the course of development were followed by patch fixes (but never disappeared completely). 3) Would be just increased tyre drag, the energy the dampers are struggling to dissipate has to come from somewhere, saw kerbs can pull just like putting tyre in sand or puddle, just to a smaller extent. and 4) that's not a case here - because rebound damping is usually much stronger than bump, the kerb can pull the suspension down (not a glitch, this happens IRL too, kerbs or bumps) which increases the efficiency of front wing shifting aero balance forward. It requires a very stiff single seater to feel oversteer from that effect thou. In general thou, the saw kerbs themselves are rarely more slippery, rather cars just don't have enough damping to calm the tyre going pogo. Im mentioning it because you CAN use damper adjustments to fix some of the kerb issues, not all, not completely but it can help (fast damping has far more impact on it). In your watkins case its 2) and 3) mainly, adding 1) as the car is pulled deeper. GL with your league :3
This is generally knowledge for me and many others but enjoyable to watch. Keep it up (should have had footage of v8 super cars going over kerb, they look so good doing that like they were built for them)
Very great video but I thought the angle of the curbs will be a theme also. If you catch as much speed out the corner as possible, some exit curbs may push you back on the track which I use sometimes. But maybe thats not the fastest line to take 😅
I missed the 'Hook', a technique more used by rally drivers, where you dip the front inside tire over a ledge, and literally "traintrack" the rear behind it. Risky but rewarding.
RUclips says the video is from 54 seconds ago, with 3 views, and 3 likes and 1 commentary but when i go to commentary section there is 5 commentary and they are from 4-5 mins ago...
So according to you I've been using them right forever. Started like the beginning in GT2. But by time I finished that game I was already at the end of the video.
Well i love curbs as much as probably others don't like me jumping them nascar stock cars are another car that can take the punishment that curbs can dish out although no one has had a near roll tony Stewart has been known to pitch his car up onto two wheels a few times
The curb at Watkins doesn’t really work like that. If the curb is slippery and given that your formula car is not front wheel drive, the inside wheel should experience less friction to slow you down for the smaller radius, so the slipperiness is not the reason why it works. The more likely reason is that the curb acts like a gutter that hooks your inner wheel in a smaller radius and prevented your car from washing our. However you need to be careful to maintain that slip angle because if your rear wheel lands in the gutter, you will have no rear slip angle and you will under steer and shoot straight across the track.
0:45 is the complicated one results in a creation of Rally/WRC car? I mean they don't give a crap making safe tracks even the dog and other animals are part of the track, instead they over engineered the cars to make it safer
Hey man, love your content. Trying to get into AC touge, and wanted to download your gc8, but your links aren't working. Is there another link that won't lead to a 404?
My dude, did you ask your little nephew to subtitle the video? What the heck happened to reviewing your videos before posting? If someone tries to follow the subtitles on this without listening to the audio, they are prone to having a stroke. Regardless, I found the info quite useful and helpful.
does the slip angle trick atleast work in beamng? ive been trying to figure out how to do it on the Italian Grand Prix at Autodromo Internazionale del Mugello since theres a race coming up on beamgp and i keep tring to initiate it and i cant also the map is imported from assetto corsa
Much of this doesn't translate into the real world FYI, if you hit curbing like this in real life you'll wipeout front wheel bearings in a few sessions.
Can we hit 80,000 subs by the end of the week? 👀
hop on acc
You got it!
You defo deserve 100M subs, all of ur vids just amaze me so much and they help me to teach myself. Tysm ❤🔥
You did it! Congrats bro! You’ve helped me with my racing skills for just over a year now!
I still remember discovering that one kurb in Seattle circuit in Gran Turismo 3, I remember hitting it acidentally with the Formula GT but instead of the car go fly, it sticked to the kurb and then I was able to go much faster around the corner, like a Gutter Run but inverted
I hated that circuit when I was a kid, then I got addicted to GTPSP in my adolesence and it became my favourite city circuit for a while. That curb is so rewarding when you nail it.
Awesome production quality, and a cool bit of history. 🏎️
5:45 it's really easy to teach yourself this technique and how it feels if you take the MX-5 Cup car around Mugello in AC. the corners and curbs at Mugello mixed with the MX-5 Cup's predictability make for a near perfect learning scenario.
It would have been cool to see more examples of good curbs that were worth cutting too.
Good video!
Watching all the way from South Africa looking to make motorsport my career however I am in my first year at UKZN
I learned a lot of theory from this channel and thanks to the information I am getting closer and closer to my dreams
4:46 Only NOW I've noticed the *REDBALLS!* 😂🤣😭HAHAHAHAHA!!
This Guy Makes Other Sim Racing Developers Take notes from his Videos through AC .. Good Job
Sausage kerbs are actually harmless, feel free to attack them as fast as you please.
(This message has been paid for by the Sausage Kerb Lobby)
on my way to break my front suspension by a sausage kerb at redbull ring:
the amount of effort put into editing and informations in these videos is criminally underrated
There is also slow speed inside apex sausage kerbs on some hairpins, where you can hook the inside wheels on the inside of the curb, effectively making a berm for the inside wheels. Hairpin at the end of Jerez's backstraight is a good example.
“red balls” 💀
The way I use curbs is basically, I put my inner wheels inside the curb so my wheels are on the grass. My wheels will grab the curb, and will slingshot my car around the corner. It is like the gutter run but using curbs instead.
"or to send cars into outer space" GIT ME ROLLING
"in a few minor incidents"💀
Watkins curb inside front touch isn't actually caused by the inside front losing traction as the video indicates. It's actually caused because the touch loads the inside left front for a moment, which unloads both the outside left front and inside right rear, and in turn loads up the outside left rear, breaking it's traction slightly. This dynamic change in crossweight, mainly due to the outside left rear getting slightly more loaded, causes the car to oversteer.
It's similar to touching the apron at an oval track, causing an oversteer moment.
Finally someone described the Watkins Glen curb trick. I do that all the time. It’s so nice to look at
Watkins curb inside front touch isn't actually caused by the inside front losing traction. It's actually caused because the touch loads the inside left front for a moment, which unloads both the outside left front and inside right rear, and in turn loads up the outside left rear, breaking it's traction slightly. This dynamic change in crossweight, mainly due to the outside left rear getting slightly more loaded, causes the car to oversteer.
It's similar to touching the apron at an oval track, causing an oversteer moment.
@@ianjameslake That makes alot more sense.
Great video and I love your background music selection!
thank you!
I thought the Watkins Glen trick was gonna be hooking the kerb like the Initial D gutter run. Did it in FR3.5 in Iracing and it was stupid quick.
Yes that is the way to do it in iRacing, doesn't work as well in Assetto, but I didn't wanna renew my subscription just for this video lol.
7:41 rally drivers*
Was holding on nitpicking till 5:45 explanation... No, that's not how it works. The kerbs do loose you traction (mostly because of tyre movement up/down for which dampers are much under prepared to deal). but they help you turn in different ways:
1) The kerb is higher, putting inside front there moves the weight distribution off the rear inside to there, changing the cars mechanical balance. This is the most common reason for kerbs giving oversteer. (even at watkins, just the track camber change over kerb is enough to have this)
2) AC kerbs are sticky, the earlier noted damping issues combined with limited physics frame rate can lead to runaway tyre loads which can randomly pull the car >laterally< (its a glitch). If the stars align (frequencies match) its possible to rely on this glitch in race over many laps.
Ofc the that one is very rare but AFAIR THAT particular kerb has just the right spacing and common car speeds to get it, so chances are that's what you discovered.
A more "famous" case of kerbs doing 2) are some (old-ish) popular videos at spa in GT3s which over the course of development were followed by patch fixes (but never disappeared completely).
3) Would be just increased tyre drag, the energy the dampers are struggling to dissipate has to come from somewhere, saw kerbs can pull just like putting tyre in sand or puddle, just to a smaller extent.
and 4) that's not a case here - because rebound damping is usually much stronger than bump, the kerb can pull the suspension down (not a glitch, this happens IRL too, kerbs or bumps) which increases the efficiency of front wing shifting aero balance forward. It requires a very stiff single seater to feel oversteer from that effect thou.
In general thou, the saw kerbs themselves are rarely more slippery, rather cars just don't have enough damping to calm the tyre going pogo. Im mentioning it because you CAN use damper adjustments to fix some of the kerb issues, not all, not completely but it can help (fast damping has far more impact on it). In your watkins case its 2) and 3) mainly, adding 1) as the car is pulled deeper.
GL with your league :3
This is generally knowledge for me and many others but enjoyable to watch. Keep it up (should have had footage of v8 super cars going over kerb, they look so good doing that like they were built for them)
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Man i needed this i just started gtpsp on my phone and i wanted to learn nordschleife your vids are awesome thanks man 🌿
using curbs when IRL track day = R.I.P Suspension Tower & Steering Rack
0:53 awfull? whats the best sound on earth
You can also use the inside of curbs to hook the wheel in it, don't recommend it in real life tho
I do not care if I've been using curbs wrong in racing games!
How to use curbs in racing games
Step 1, find a game where curbs are lethal
Step 2, ram the opponent into them
Why do I feel like theres no real physics involved in racing? even in real life
Goddd love the jungle/DnB in your vids, came for the information and stayed for everything else
I love this channel! You deserve more subs
As always, top notch sim racing content 👁👄👁
03:14 you should see Rallycross kerbs... and how drivers take them...
This is the first time I heard someone call the sound of rumble strips awful.
From playing project cars 2 i have learned to just outright avoid them, they almost always spin my car right into a fucking wall
I don't know if I should use kurbs in Gran turismo 6, because when I use it to steer faster I go out of control
"minor incidents" **insert clip of the 1955 Le Mans disaster that literally decapitated someone**
Thanks for the longer video, I think this length is perfect for your videos
i only play GT, & not nearly as often as i used to- but your narration, footage, & MASSIVE choons have earned a sub.
Very great video but I thought the angle of the curbs will be a theme also. If you catch as much speed out the corner as possible, some exit curbs may push you back on the track which I use sometimes. But maybe thats not the fastest line to take 😅
your taste in music is impeccable.
0:52 awful sound? Its the most satifying sound ive ever heard also one of the reasons why im not capable of driving a vechile
GT3 trial mountain last turn kerb is still gold
Awesome work! So smooth to watch
So many wrong subtitles that in context dont even make sense lol but great video :))
the editing in this video is really well done! :)
Love the effort in the editing
the chain and firestarter
that's some good shit
Oh my god youre killing it with the background music
I'll add that to "list of shit I wazs already doing just out of vibes and seat time, but bad"
i was vote kicked out of the server by 2 random people for no reason back in febuary and i still am banned there
this is peak content. i love you tsrb
thanks :)
I missed the 'Hook', a technique more used by rally drivers, where you dip the front inside tire over a ledge, and literally "traintrack" the rear behind it. Risky but rewarding.
Inner wheel lift?!?!
RUclips says the video is from 54 seconds ago, with 3 views, and 3 likes and 1 commentary
but when i go to commentary section there is 5 commentary and they are from 4-5 mins ago...
So according to you I've been using them right forever.
Started like the beginning in GT2. But by time I finished that game I was already at the end of the video.
Can't wait to get my Pc id love to join ur racing league
Yeee, The Chain :D
Glad to see you haven't been struck for it!
I do do some research in my DIY rig And my zip tied broke so I can’t see the race
kerbs yus
7:27 sumthin messed up the captions there
sleep angle
Red balls livery 💀
Well i love curbs as much as probably others don't like me jumping them nascar stock cars are another car that can take the punishment that curbs can dish out although no one has had a near roll tony Stewart has been known to pitch his car up onto two wheels a few times
The curb at Watkins doesn’t really work like that. If the curb is slippery and given that your formula car is not front wheel drive, the inside wheel should experience less friction to slow you down for the smaller radius, so the slipperiness is not the reason why it works. The more likely reason is that the curb acts like a gutter that hooks your inner wheel in a smaller radius and prevented your car from washing our. However you need to be careful to maintain that slip angle because if your rear wheel lands in the gutter, you will have no rear slip angle and you will under steer and shoot straight across the track.
Have you ever driven this track in Assetto Corsa or iRacing?
@@TSRB Yes, ACC.
I still think that the sound curbs make is amazing
3:09 that's what I like to call "dubai shit"
0:45 is the complicated one results in a creation of Rally/WRC car? I mean they don't give a crap making safe tracks even the dog and other animals are part of the track, instead they over engineered the cars to make it safer
You can use the curves to curve boost
You can use the curbs to curve boost
been struggling to find fwd races, if its AC ill definitely hit it up
What's 5:10 song?
its a sped up remix of "Oliver Tree - Miss you"
Hit a sausage kerb. The rest is KERBal space program
Great work, very cool!
I challenge you to using gwa gwa cat car model on one of your vids
Who knew racing and Fleetwood Mac went together?
Crazy that some guy working for F1 in the 70s heard it, and decided it's what racing sounds like. He was bang on.
Mad editing skills!
I always wondered about this!
Love the RedBalls livery 🤣🤣
Hey man, love your content. Trying to get into AC touge, and wanted to download your gc8, but your links aren't working. Is there another link that won't lead to a 404?
That Redballs sponsor tho
song starting at 2:40??
"turn 5 at watkins glen" so you're using the layout without the Inner loop then?
is there a list of songs used in the background of the video? i want to listen to the music
You gotta do a video on mfg warp move
10/10 song choices here
But but I love violent racing it’s the bees knees 😂😂😂
lol just bumps into weight shift
My dude, did you ask your little nephew to subtitle the video? What the heck happened to reviewing your videos before posting? If someone tries to follow the subtitles on this without listening to the audio, they are prone to having a stroke. Regardless, I found the info quite useful and helpful.
does the slip angle trick atleast work in beamng? ive been trying to figure out how to do it on the Italian Grand Prix at Autodromo Internazionale del Mugello since theres a race coming up on beamgp and i keep tring to initiate it and i cant also the map is imported from assetto corsa
song at the start?
"feedback through the wheels with the awful sound" - wdym awful? i call that satisfying :)
love the soundtrack ❤
hey... hes using my cheap daily for races haha
Much of this doesn't translate into the real world FYI, if you hit curbing like this in real life you'll wipeout front wheel bearings in a few sessions.
I guess it's a good thing that most professional race cars are rebuilt every weekend out then
Soundtrack 😮💨 prodigy
none of the discord links work
What's the first song name?
Lemtom - Bancroft
Why did you change the thumbnail. also what was the corolla mod for the first thumbnail ???????
pretty sure its the Toyota Altis Touring car
@@kmsthanks altis, corolla, same thing
@@DijjinCXV yeah thats what the mod is called
Anybody know where the corolla mod is from?