The MISTAKE Millions of Racing Drivers Make
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Hi Suellio- l bought the Motor Racing Checklist course and am almost all the way through. I'm VERY happy with my improved times! I am 1.5 to 2sec faster on a couple tracks already. And I'm sure I'M still the reason that I'm not even faster. There's SO much Golden information in this course that it's going to take a lot for me to actually put it ALL in mind and into practice. But I am Really Glad that I purchased your course. I Highly Recommend It! PS- I'm 72, a retired Mech. Engineer, and it amazes me how much that I learned about car dynamics, handling, and performance!! Thanks :)
Thank you so much for your trust and feedback! I feel personally proud when the praise comes from engineers 🥲
@@SuellioAlmeida I should probably be concerned that other drivers will Buy the course, and pass me on track!
Over and under steering is designed into the car by the engineer and the roll center heights front and rear . The driver must adapt to the car setup , oversteer on exit is usually the faster car if the driver can step on the throttle to change the centrifical force vector into a forward thrust vector an amateur driver will most likely back off the throttle in fear of a spinout ,where as a pro would step on the throttle to Change the force vectors from a spinout
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@@sourcetext Any real drivers course will have seat time, period. To learn concepts and theory of racing without putting them into practice is criminal
@@sourcetext the only part of your comment that makes sense is that an oversteery car on exit is faster, and even that is only the case if the driver can control the throttle well enough to not actually oversteer (meaning the car is not actually oversteery, going full throttle would just be asking too much of the tires)
what you said about changing a centrifugal force vector into a forward thrust vector makes no sense at all because centrifugal force is effectively a reaction force to a friction force, a friction force that will go away as you straighten out the car which getting on the throttle does not do.
"The steering points the direction and the pedals with amplify that rotation" is so key 6:45
Dang! I loved how at 7:57 Shellie shows how a high level student thought they were trail braking properly, and the telemetry-at first glance-shows that their curves look right, but then Suellio spots the oversteer issue. I shouted out loud, "THIS IS ME!" Omg… so helpful. Thanks SA! You're the man.
You are absolutely right about first being taught to finish the braking before turning. Took me years to unlearn this! The concepts you teach here didn't manifest in my sim racing until I observed them in rally sims, where the principles are amplified. Retroactively applying them to road courses and even real life changed everything for me.
Yo same!
I remember when I used to think, if I was constantly wrestling the car a little bit in turns, that meant I was on the edge going faster. Then, I heard a driver on TV say something like, you want to turn the least amount most of the time, since you can accelerate harder when directing the car straight and sliding is directly equivalent to just lost time, hence slow. Then I payed more attention to drivers and saw how smooth they were trying to be, using all the road they could to turn less and throttle more. Literally the same day I practiced a smooth is fast approach, just a little bit of trail braking certain corners (since I was a newb and probably still don't do it correctly), I beat my PR! It felt slower in the beginning of course, since you aren't wrestling the car as much, but then your whole perspective changes! You start to FEEL the speed in the opposite way you initially think. So much fun. If a class is cheap I may support ya mate! Cheers
A friend of mine, once professional racing driver on GT1 cars as first thing told me was to turn the least as possible. First of all for saving tires.
Mario Andretti's quote about drivers thinking the brakes are for slowing down the car really drove this point home to me. Steer the car with the brakes :)
This was the first thing I thought of!
Same with Mario Bros to turn corners better you have to hit the brake and boom tighter turning plus an added boost bonus!
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This video really made me understand what I'm doing wrong while Sim Racing. Thanks, I've just bought your Motor Racing Book! 🤗👊🏾💯
The value Suellio provides and the level of editing 🔥🔥🔥🔥
Suellio, thanks a lot for your explanetions about trail braking technik. That gave me a lot of precious information about how it feels through the force feedback. it helps me drive much better and fast.👍
watched plenty of your vids before but this one got me really thinking about what I'm doing now and trying different things in testing. even initial results are amazing, thank you so much, I will keep working on this
I couldn’t manage any of these techniques until I got a load cell brake pedal. And then I needed a better throttle pedal with better resolution so I could really get the balances down. Getting a quality pedal set is key to being able to actually use these techniques.
Its sow true 😢
Really wish more of my friends that are newer to sim racing could see this comment and more like it. They stick with Logitech pedals just because it gets the job done but then complain they can’t get quicker and don’t listen when I try to suggest that it may be fixable with a better set of pedals lol
I have he sprints and they are really good
When I moved to a DD wheel I found that it actually helps quite a bit in this. From then on I could feel the difference in the FFB of when it's too much slip angle on the front tires, because the force started decreasing with more angle rather increasing.
Genuinely no other content creator is doing what you do, certainly not as well.
Keep it up bro and enjoy the Radical ❤
Idk why you’re in my feed but subscribed since you were speaking about racing and improving times. You must be good !
This is just an awesome instructional video. Thanks for posting it. I was trying to explain this to my daughter, but you did it better than I ever could.
You took me back to when I was about 12 and was learning all of this the first time around. It’s amazing how once you learn how to feel the limit of a car, you make small corrections automatically. Explaining how it feels to a new driver is difficult, so thanks again! My daughter and I will definitely be watching more of your vids together.
Hi Suellio, thanks for the informative video. I've read your book and I have been working on the techniques, especially trying to keep light hands and fish for grip. I have to say that this video is what made my trail braking click. I tried steering less and trail braking like I usually do and for a couple of laps I just got less rotation and some understeer. I played with my brake modulation and then suddenly I was spinning on corner entry for a couple of laps! Now I am finding that neutral steer happy medium but I've already beat my PB on my reference track. Thanks again and keep up the amazing work!
Proud!!!
Best video I’ve seen explaining this. Thanks!
Fantastic info. Can’t wait to try it on the sim tomorrow
Amazing! There is no way I could explain this as well as you did! I already know the concept but this helps drive it home. On almost any car whether its understeering or not, if you just keep dialing steering wheel lock, your just scrubbing speed and trashing your tires, you have to send some weight to the front. Get it right and you can dance the car right in to the apex with little effort.
Your teaching style is spot on and incredibly adaptable. Great videos and they are definitely improving what I am getting out of my practice sessions. Well done sir.
Suelio my dude you should def give RBR a try we want to see you in the rally sim
This would be awesome to see
That's precisely what I'm going through now. This video is gold. Thanks Suellio!
Man your videos are so informative and helpful i really mean it when i say thank you for having content like this for free
Even if it isnt a full in-depth guide, it's amazing for people like me who just can't come to afford to pay for a 200$ 1o1 50m long session with you 😭
Seriously, these videos are amazing. I've just been binge watching them and realising how much I'm doing wrong highly appreciate all the work you do and i wish you the best of luck in your up coming race with your new radical car!
Can't wait to see how you perform out there! 🙏🏼
What a super helpful video. I’m by no means a super fast driver but also not a novice. This was so insightful and definitely going to help and give me something to practice. Fantastic explanation also.
Great explanation!
Very possibly the most useful sim racing tip I’ve ever seen, and I consume these videos like crazy
Thanks for the video
Such a great video! Amazing technique to start considering when im sim racing! I just started sim racing and Im tryin to learn how to get close to real lap times over famous circuit all over the world (SPA, Monza, Silverstone etc and i also finding myself in the situation where i have to rotate the steering more than I should. Iv lowered the volumes of most of the surrounding but kept tires at 100% so i can hear them squeak.
I would recommend, at least from what I noticed, you should lower the music volume on the background in the video. its really annoying
THank u for the vid
Very cool. This is just where I am at the moment, nice to hear see this video about it, it confirms a lot in my head :-)
That's why I choosed Porsche 911 GT3 Cup to be my first car in iRacing (I transitioned from Assetto Corsa). Porsche 911 teaches you very fast how to brake, how to turn, how to accelerate, how to not overdrive/underdrive the car. You miss one of those things and either crash or spin. Love it.
Sure, on some stuff, like say spa with lots of high speed turns on a decline and stuff, but even there you can learn the specific trouble turns with bad technique in the porsche gt3, you can still top out at 2:20 there and wonder what the problem is why you can't get into the teens, I know cause I've done it in the porsche -.-
@hansolo631 think he's talking about Porsche Cup not the Porsche GT3. Could be wrong
@@MiserableRacer you are spot on he said cup and the cup car is probably one of the best cars to learn in. No driver aids and the crazy understeer at times. Wishing you a great 2024 and many years of great racing! 🎉
Was trying to explain this to my son and found this video... the visuals help the most, but over all a great video. A little lenghty and "nerdy", just the way I like it! 😂 kudos
Great video. I'll give it a try because at this point in my sim racing I'm struggling at the midpack level.
Oh my GOD! Suellio you are a genius. This is what is holding me back. I have known for a long time that something is wrong with my technique and that it had to do with the application of trailbraking. Oh my GOD! I never had a chance of getting it because my front tires are turned past the ideal slip angle at corner entry, and I am never going to get maximum grip out of them. Turn less ! What a revelation. The sad thing is that I never really practice technique. I'm only going to the track on race weekends and spend all my nonracing track time on fine tuning my set up or racing line. The next time I go out, this is what I'm working on. Thank-you!!!!!
Best instructional video I’ve ever seen on RUclips. And I learned how to play guitar here too. Great work!
Really enjoyed this video and this is exactly where I am struggling with my driving irl
Spot on bruv. Can’t wait to give this a bash when next on 👍
Wow! This is super good advice.
Thanks for explaining! And doing this.
I just started begin februari with simracing, but going sure to try this out.
Have to sort out how i can get telemetry for ACC/AC.
Dont have i racing but i am going to try this for sure!
You learn this quickly when karting! Great video.
Thank you so much.
I can confidently run the Nurburgring Tourist with 6 minute lap times.
After watching this video, it has giving me even confidence to push the car further more as this, along side with now more knowledge over understand the weight distribution is shown to have incredible performance improvements.
Thank you 🙏🏾
It's funny that everytime you put out a video about using the brakes to steer I wonder, "should I watch this, I've heard him tell me this a million times now" then you go and say one single new sentence that just unlocks another layer of understand 😅 always worth the watch!
Interesting timing of this video for me. I'm a beginner Sim Racer, currently running in MX5 Cup events. The other day I was driving a Lambo Huracan where I was trying to meet a certain 3 lap average. After about 2 hours of laps, I couldn't understand why I was so slow, until I realised that I was over working the steering, asking for far too much of the car when turning in. I went back and started to learn to revise my steering angle and after another 2 hours, I took 2 seconds out of my 3 lap average and beat the challenge. Since then, I've applied that to the MX5 and can already see a massive improvement in lap times. I'm currently working on using the pedals more, so I'll book mark this video and watch back from time to time to make sure I'm correctly applying the technique. Thanks Suellio (and good luck with the Radical races 👍🏻)
Watching this 2 min before a race start at Mount Panorama..gt7. Wish me good luck 😏
What did you finish in?
I mean if you try to implement any technique, let alone something colossal like a complete rework of how you drive, 2 minutes before a race - probably nto gonna work out
@@gabrielmora8403 started last finished 3rd 🙂↕️
@@hansolo631
Thanks 😌
That's honestly amazing. I saw another video of yours where you were coaching a student and we could see the improvement so I tried it and I inconsistently manage to replicate that weight transfer. It's really about building muscle memory with this new technique now.
Question though, I can only seem to make this happen in iRacing and Assetto Corsa with fairly heavy GT cars. Does that technique also apply to lighter Formula cars or is it a case of other simulators not being as realistic?
Now I need to find myself some time to book your course :D
Great video! this is pure gold!
I don't race real cars (so I don't really know) but I've noticed something on the sim.
Let's say, you've got a corner which you can take (without pushing) at about 90 km/h. With a given car you can either use second or third gear. But, with similar steering and pedal input, the car 'grabs' the corner more easily on second gear..
question is: is that realistic? why does it happen? (engine braking maybe)
thanks in advance!
Shingo Suji vs Takumi in the duct tape challenge opened me up to this concept.
The opening explanation is spot on....
Too much steering I've noticed in my own is oversteer, scrubbing tires too much is wear on the tire, but also, the inability to take the turns fast enough.
What i did to compensate, after showing down a little, is track limits and turn into the turn later and combining that with efforts to learn cornering, specifically hitting the apex..
Subscribed because I'm pretty sure you know wtf you're talking about.
GG
Hi, Appreciate doing this! Thank you. Is there any car & track combo you would suggest to practice this?
*_"It is amazing how many drivers, even at the Formula One Level, think that the brakes are for slowing the car down"_*
- Mario Andretti
Holy shit, this is the BEST and CLEAR vid ive seen for teach me really how to trailbreak and oversteer a car i think its understeer. and i tried it just works!
I picked up simrace from dirt rally years ago and built many bad habits myself, thanks alot this vid really made a big help to me.👏👏👏
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I'm going to apply this in Sim and my next track day. I just raced at Chuckwalla Valley Raceway and realized I was making the same mistakes. In hindsight, I actually entered a turn with a great trail brake but I had too much steering angle and started to spin, then over corrected. Luckily there is a lot of run off as I went for an off road adventure.
Hello, this just popped up. I know this is mainly for circuit/tarmac racing, but maybe try playing like the rally games of Dirt/the new EA WRC game. The slippery physics of the car + gravel/snow helped me know that controlling braking+throttle is importanter than steering more through the thousands of corners. To the point when I played with my friend in GT7, he can't drive my "oversteer" car while I can't drive his "understeer" car lol, though when he finished his setup, I can't keep up with him.
What about circumstances where tire heat is a concern (ie cold fronts or overheated rears or both)? Might it be advantageous to use steering and rotation techniques to maintain proper temps? Fantastic channel btw, im always learning something here.
Thank you so much for your advice! I tried asap and realized that I had driven the wrong way for years
These videos are just mind blowing
Suellio you actually are a teachers teacher.
I really like you teaching method.
Now i understand why professional racers happen to spin their cars for "no reason" even when their cars are known to have a huge amount of grip. Thank you
I think that this technique is best practiced on a track with A LOT of sweepers. You'll really get to feel when the car reaches maximum rotation and when you're using too much steering input.
13:40 realised this myself in acc. When trying different cars. Having just picked up the McLaren and learned some trail braking along with it. I much prefer my rear to slide. It gets easier to correct it. And I know the limit of my grip. Also I was just lapping spa at the start I had a 2:30 lap time. But I knew it can be better so I tried the trail braking. I was using the same braking points but I was more gentle with the pedals. And I started to see a second down each lap. And I managed to go down to 2:24 which is really good for my skills. Lots of room to improve but at least I could somewhat trail brake. And carry much more minimal speed which sheds seconds in some corners. You are right on that one. Thats the difference between pros and not.
This video made me connect trail braking to rally driving car control, I feel like this is more of a hardware limiting but I never "got" trail braking in circuit racing sims. I always thought it was purely a load thing and never added throttle control.
I start on ACC on a week, and this is my problem! Tank you for your work! One question, what angle do you recomend on the whell?
Suelio you legend - What tracks on iracing do you recommend to practice this on that have a good variety of different corners or a good track you could just keep lapping that'll maximize cornering practice??!! Thank you for all your hard work
I think driving the Formula Vee really helped make me aware of this. It's very noticable when going around Lime Rock Park wo/chicanes because the times end being so tight that even a slight scrub of the front wheels can cost you +.3 to .7 on your lap times
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Hi Suellio i remember when you taught me in the mustang on iracing at sebring.
You didnt share much information. I felt that my inputs were great because of the silence 😅 im curious to know after your experience has grown. If we can try it again!
Driving a Porsche in AC will very quickly expose an over-reliance on steering in your driving technique. I've also found driving AWD cars really helped to force me to use the pedals to rotate the car, because of how much they want to understeer.
I'm not a great driver and I've noticed without really thinking about why that I think like this in oversteering cars because it feels natural. I'm very sure I do it all wrong in understeering cars most of the time. This gave me a lot to think about and work with. Thanks!
Fantastic advice. I got this "less steering" to work in a neutral car (ACC Cayman718 GT4). I did feel like I was using the pedals to rotate the car on entry and exit. But I struggle to do this in an understeery car (ACC AMG non-EVO). What changes do I need to make?
Great technical stuff. We can all learn from it, no matter the level you're at.
God this is me IRL with my time trials and w2w racing and why I bought iracing. The feel of rotation was scaring me irl and being able to test in the sim has been a game changer!
Very good info, curious what you have your wheel rotation set to…900, 540, 360
Suellio I love the content and I’m so happy that you’re getting to exp such amazing opportunities. In my year of sim racing you have taught me so much. Just wanted to say thank you. I have your book and I love it. I’m heavily considering the MRC, the book has changed how I view driving so much that I can’t imagine how videos would. Thank you and keep it up!
I always explain this by telling people that you are not turning the car with the steering wheel, you are turning the car with the gas and brake/downshifting movements, and the steering wheel is just to make sure that the front wheels are pointing in the right direction that you want to go when you get back on the gas and start going through the turn. If you try turning with just the steering wheel, you are going to go straight off the track, especially in something like a CanAm car or any older cars from the 60's and 70's that have less downforce than modern cars.
Hi Suellio, I’m a beginner here I steer like this without realizing that this is a neutral steer. But can I maintain to steer like this the whole race? I noticed through the end of the race my tires were worn out rapidly.
As a beginner, this is definitely my tendency. More so, I either tend to use braking to rotate the car too late into the corner and when I do, the steering angle is already too high and I spin the car, or trailbraking from the get-go, but decelerating too much during the corner and losing time that way. Finding that balance is tough because it's counter-intuitive. Now, obviously, when I have grip and I'm not understeering through the turn I can feel that tightness/resistence in the steering wheel. Is that the sensation I should be looking for to know I've got the balance right?
this is actually funny, because I felt that I was steering too little, so I started forcing myself into steering more. Guess I'll go back to turning less again xD
Same! After trying turning more I figured out I had to still steer a little more than I was but not as much as I thought.
Hey I'm really passionate about sim racing but I really don't know where to start.can u just give me a road map for a career in sim racing
Understeer and oversteer are designed into the car by the car designer by whats called rollsteer points of the front suspension and the rear suspension snd the way its "Setup" , miner adjustments can be made by using whats called the "sway bars, one at the front and one at the rear of the car ...this is called "roll oversteer" or roll "under steer", most engineers will use an overateer at the rear, as the driver accelerates on exit the centrifical force vector is changed to a thrust force vector and therefore keeing the the car under control and exiting the corner much faster esp leading to a long straight where feet per second is important. A sensitive nervous system and sense of balance ( good ears ) is what wins races ,eyes that are far apart give better triangulation for accurete distance
Is there an established order on what applying first, if the brakes or the steering? Or it will depend on the type of corner we encounter?
I discovered this on my own in GT Sport by driving Blue Moon Bay Speedway for about 90 minutes straight. I accidentally hit the right angle for trail braking through Turn 1, and suddenly dropped over a second off my lap time. Took a while to replicate it, but once I did, I could also pull it off on the faster Turn 3. Over the course of that session, I dropped 2.5 seconds off my lap times, and by the end it was very consistent. The results carried over to other tracks as well.
I tried driving around a skid pad with a gt3 and i did not have enough control of the pedal to do it. Good drills.
Hello I have an issue when it comes to applying this technique. I don't believe it works the same on GT7 as it does in Iracing, at least not as effective. It could also be because I am on controller but the effects of turning with the brakes are very faint and cannot throw the car into an oversteer as with the exercise. Some times I can do it, but most time it leads to me either underbaking to try to get rotation or not steering enough. Any tips? ( Also on controller )
Does this work on gran turismo 7? If not, which driving sim do you recommend to master this?
Hey Suellio, ive been watching your videos for a while now. I learn a lot from what youre explaining. Eventhough applying the theory in my driving is quite hard, since ive been used to drive the way i do for a long time, im certain practice makes perfect.
Im currently in the top100 at most games i play but im still considering buying the motorracing checklist and also applying for some personal coaching from you, since i think itll give me that bit im lacking now.
The point where im getting to is:
I dont like iRacing, i find it too expensive and it oddly enough doesnt feel natural for me. Does your coaching and checklist also help for games as LMU and ACC?
Thank you for helping me all this time already!
Yes, The Motor Racing Checklist applies to any sim and also real life.
I'm not doing live coaching sessions outside iracing currently mainly due to time availability.
thank you
Hello Suellio , Do these techniques work in karting(Rotax max 125) also? I would appreciate it if you comment on this.Thanks in advance.
I have issues with consistent braking at the limit and over rotation on the rear axles and thing I can do
what about tapping the throttle to induce rotation/tuck in the nose?
Unfortunately most standard setups seems to make the issue worse.
When I first got an esports setup by accident, it just forced me to do the right thing (I.e. steer less) and the difference was just amazing
I hate to pay for setups though
Hi, why your book not available in kindle version on amazon? At least not in my country malaysia
Does anyone have a suggestion of a car that would behavior like Suellio was talking at the end? I'm still driving the mazda, because it's fun :)
For me I think about blending the controls. Braking to the turn in point - weight is reduced at the rear and shifted to the front wheels. At the turn in point, you don't fully release the brakes, but with the weight still on the front and off the rear, start feeding in steering angle AS you start to release brake pressure. You are blending brake release with feeding in steering angle, this smoothly increases rotation. Then, the cars I drive like a little bit of on-throttle through the corner to balance the car, using the throttle to shift weight fore or aft blended with small steering inputs (if any) to increase/decrease rotation to track through the corner. And then blend increasing throttle with reducing the steering input. Everything should be a blended transition, not abrupt switch between control inputs. The car does not instantly change speed or direction, so everything has to be blended to match the intended transitions in speed and direction.
You took 20 minutes to explain that understeering, followed by over-correction resulting in tire scrubbing, reduces my speed. You advised that I should minimize steering wheel use to maintain the car's straightest possible line, as a car moves fastest when traveling straight. You suggested I should concentrate more on trail braking to manage wheel rotation. Essentially, this is basic racing knowledge, and you reiterated the same point three times for 5 minutes.
Sorry max verstappen. Now create a channel and do better
Where do you get the music? Could you share the artist? Would like to use it in some mixes. Abrigado.
"again think with me if you're understeering and you turn the steering even more what happens kind of nothing right you scrub mower front tires the car continues being lazy to turn". Is that true for front biased fan car?
Brake bias, balance between front and rear, must be taken into consideration in order to make trail braking work for you. Too much rear bias will have you flying off high speed corners in an instant. Max Verstappen is said to be a master at controlling a "pointy" car, one that wants to turn in aggressively. The speed is there if one can handle it.
I can do that all day in the skip barber on iracing but that seems to be the only car I can do it in consistently with some level of control.
Would be good to know braking points and initial turn in.
I'm getting better at getting into slip angle, but it still surprises me when I do it. My initial reaction is "Oh crap, I'm losing it!" but by the time the thought is over, I've realized I'm not dying and I'm doing it right and I'm totally in control. It's very weird still.
Anyone trying to work on this: go karting irl, outside in the rain. Really quick and noticable feedback on trailbraking and correct steering angle bc karts lack differentials and only have rear biased brakes.
I promise if you do this once every like 2 or 3 weeks youll return to iracing and rotation will be sooo much easier.