Aerith's sacrifice is essentially the pivotal moment in the entire story, you can't really have the FFVII story without it. Both in the original and it definitely seems like it in Remake too, Aerith knows what's going to happen and she chooses to go through with it anyways in order for Holy to work and save the world. That's what makes her a hero. It would wreck the story to take that away.
My theory is, sephiroth in remake is the same sephiroth from advent children. Sephiroth is trying to change the timeline and Aerith is trying to stop sephiroth. The Aerith I'm referring to is the same Aerith from the original ff7 from 97. Kinda like days of future past
@jaybee4288 nah, considering in remake there is a scene where you talk to a lifestream projection of her. This aeirth is definitely a different aerith in some capacity. Aerith doesn't have that kind of control over the lifestream until after she dies. I think according to the short story that square revealed and some lore becoming part of the lifestream tends to make people forget ones self. Sephiroth can never truly disappear into the lifestream so aerith is trying to fight him but eventually she is destined to fade away and forget. So this aerith is a different aeirth in some capacity. Now how thetimeline changes is up in the air I agree I think she will still die. But I think she will make changes to make it possible to get rid of sephiroth completely
@chaosdirge4906 I think Cloud is going to die and sacrifice himself. I saw one video ( can't remember who uploaded it). So basically after you fight Sephiroth in remake he takes you to the Edge of Creation and he says "you have 7 seconds till the end" some shit like that. So the theory is, that 7 seconds Sephiroth refers to is the time it took him to kill Aerith in the OG ff7. And that's when Cloud probably going to do some heroic shit and sacrifice himself.
Honestly, I think the point of the Whispers and the prospect of changing fate was meant to make us feel like we felt all those years ago when we believed that if we brought 99 Phoenix Downs to the Forgotten City, Aerith would be revived. They want us to believe we can save her but we won’t be able to.
*sobs* I did that! lol I played it when it originally came out, and didn't even have the internet then so me and everyone at school were trading lies, secrets, and hopes like hardcore drugs trying to save that poor girl. Aerith's passing and so suddenly deeply hurt me. I was thirty some-odd hours in, had Great Gospel, and hadn't been spoiled to what would happen. I remember being so distraught that I even went to my parents and explained to them exactly what had happened, very stone faced but with silent tears going constantly (kind of ironic that that'd become my life's story not long after that, getting a chronic illness that even medical professionals either hadn't heard of and thought I was lying or knew all too well and were patiently sympathetic). I remember my mother saying, somewhat confused and amazed simultaneously, "this really hurt you." I was a barely fifteen year old girl at the time, and hadn't ever suffered any true hardship in my life. Physical difficulties like no money or food for a few weeks were of course painful but it was the spirit and mind that was strong, and its obstacles were more monstrous. Babbling. Take care Jack, wish you all the best.
Square authors aren't lowlife Hollywood producers. They have titles which bring in more money than Disney movies. So there's no reason for you to expect a crappy B-rated story written by someone who didn't even try. 3/3/2020 - Remake original release date 3/20/2020 - Doom Eternal release date Spoiler: Oda foreshadowed 3/20/20 (Doom Crossing) on 3/19/18 by mentioning AC Spoiler 2: Cloud and Doomguy destroy "mako" reactors Spoiler 3: Nomura created his own Doomguy in SoP When Doomguy "saluted" FF7R, he posed for a scene...where the protagonist...was on his way *to save Aerith.* What's about to happen with all that writing on the wall...is a part 3 with no antagonist. THE STREETS WILL FLOW WITH THE BLOOD OF THE NONBELIEVERS.
I think the death scene of Aerith in FF7 is iconic and kind of needs to happen to give it the same feels for new players as it did for us when we first played the old game.
Her death was so meaningful back then! It gave me chills! It gave me the will to fight. I remeber crying while fighting Jenova right after Aerith was murdered. I was so mad! They can't take this from me just because some players can't accept losing her. I want to see her die and avenge her again, this time with all these amazing graphics! Seriously, they can't be ridiculous to the point of saving her just to please some people who can't accept death as part of life. Aerith needs to go
In the new trailer, it looks like cloud tries to stop it. He probably gets one of those headache visions of her dying, tries to stop it and fails and that’s why he’s so depressed and blames himself for her death in Advent Children. So I agree it won’t happen. Exactly the same but she’ll still die.
@@ReidusQuitzedI don't remember much about Advent Children, and I don't think I'll go watch it again even if it helps understanding Remake's direction. But it sure is weird knowing what Sephiroth actually is during the OG until we get to the Northern Crater. Now, in remake there's supposedly one on the loose too? My question is: Are there now 2 Sephiroths, let's say an "invader" (seen in Remake part 1) and then another one waiting for the Black Materia at Northern Crater?
Defeating the whispers is what allows people to live on in the lifestream with their consciousness intact, instead of just becoming memory energy that's turned into Materia or Mako.
That would be wild, I don't think it's like that. but interesting thought. Would be happy to hear an elab. What seems to me is that only the Cetra or Jenova (and her "descendants") can maintain a conciousness inside the lifestream. The normal flow of life is people dying and going back to the planet, their consciouness dissipates, their spirit/life energy goes back and their memories combine inside the amalgamation of memories in there. And even if the Cetra/Jenova can keep their minds, it seems like they must will it very hard, like Sephiroth hating Cloud inside the lifestream.
Yeah for sure. And it could definitely be two concurrent timelines, or it could be that the party already merged timelines at the end of remake, or possibly, that one “world” is within the Lifestream.
The way I see it, the Remake project is a re-telling or re-contextualization of the original FF7. I don’t think SE is going to fundamentally change any of the major events, themes, or outcomes for Rebirth or Part 3, just as they didn’t for Remake. When you think about it, all the major stuff from OG 7 happened in Remake. The Bombing Missions, Wall Market, Sector 7 Plate, infiltration and escape from Shinra HQ.. The outcomes for the party remain the same even if events were told differently with added elements not seen in OG 7. Rebirth will continue to add and build on these new elements, but at the end of the day the outcomes will be the same.
I think "worlds" could be used to describe a number of things. It could be an alternate timeline, it could be a lifestream construct, it could be something we haven't thought of.
@@VlogHausOfficialAgree! “Worlds”, “Realities” “Timelines” .. however we want to describe to it, the road traveled might be unknown, which is very exciting, but the end points will ultimately be very faithful to FF7.
Wrong. REMAKE pt1 literally changed EVERYTHING at the end and people were not happy on the first days on release. The devs themselves even had to publicly announce they won't go this far overboard with the story in REBIRTH. If that holds true or was just simple damage control in the heat of the moment, we will see in two weeks. But right now the Remake trilogy might look and play awesome, but from a writing standpoint, I've seen better fanfics over the years. It's horrible trash.
@@dshearwf They didn't change everything at all. People just speculating that Zack's alive but with zero legitimate evidence to back it up. You clearly don't know wtf you're talking about here. Since you want to play that game, tell me which fanfics that are better than this. Come on. Let us know.
Good video. I still believe there are two timelines. There are too many holes in the lifestream theory with there being people alive in both realities and dead in both realities. And if it does turn out that Zack's timeline is the lifestream, I'll honestly be disappointed. Sephiroth also says something to the affect of "When worlds collide" or something like that in one of the trailers. As far as the devs wanting to recreate the emotion of playing the game for the first; that makes me think that they will alter the way in which Aerith meets her fate just as they will do with Zack and other characters who have defied destiny, like Biggs. Everyone who dies in the OG will be dead by the end of Remake part 3. "How" and "when" are the big questions.
Yeah fair enough! A few people have brought up the worlds colliding, and I don’t personally see why that would indicate multiple timelines over a replicant world within the Lifestream. But it’s open to interpretation. Good point about changing the situation of the deaths. Very good chance they’ll do that with Aerith.
@@VlogHausOfficial Not gonna lie, I'd love to have all 9 party members back together before bodies start hitting the floor. But if it doesn't happen, I'll understand.
@@VlogHausOfficialI don’t think it’s multiple timelines. I think it’s a single timeline experiencing temporal paradoxes and the party we know was unaffected because they were inside the singularity. So I don’t think it’s a lifestream world either.
Here's My theory : - The whispers are the wills of jenova who is controling the planet (meaning the main FF7 ending which lead to Advent Children is "bad ending") - "remake sephiroth" realised he was being used by jenova this whole time decided to fight back. He needs cloud to fight with him which lead to the random stuff he said to cloud in remake. "Hold on to that anger" "let us defy destiny". In destiny crossroads (chapter 18). He said "listen". And the planet literally crys in pain. He hints that the planet is dying. Not because of shinra. But something bigger. Aerith said the same thing in chapter 17. Then these whispers surrounds her. Interesting... - The final battle with harbingers of fate is happening inside the lifestream (pretty sure the devs confirmed this). We defeated them which means the lifestream is now free of "jenova's fate". Hence, Zack is free of his fate and alive. Assuming Zack's world is the lifestream..
This is basically what I've been thinking for some time. Aerith is still going to die by the end. The difference is, probably, they're going to subvert expectations in how she dies, so we think she might survive, but she still dies in the end anyway.
The scene will happen mostly the same but I highly doubt she will die. She’ll either be saved by Zack or she’ll die and end up in Zack’s timeline or something. His inclusion makes zero sense otherwise. Game developers these days just aren’t going to do that in the way they used to.
4:16 If you slow down the clip of Cloud saying “NO,” he is swinging the buster sword toward Sephiroth who is PHYSICALLY DESCENDING DOWNWARD about to stab Aerith. My prediction is that Cloud will swing the buster sword with the intent to stop Sephiroth from stabbing her (different from the original game where a Cloud just WATCHES Sephiroth stab her). The tragic part is that when Cloud tries to use the buster sword to stop Sephiroth, Sephiroth will instead disappear and Cloud (midswing) will accidentally slash Aerith and kill her, making her death solely Cloud’s fault. This makes the impact of her death worse. Sephiroth didn’t kill her, it was you. 4:22 Is the final fight with Sephiroth BEFORE you get to the forgotten capitol. Which is why Aerith is missing and the party is outside the glowing forgotten capitol
Theory. Advent Children is only canon to the remake trilogy. The original ending of FFVII is the “bad” ending. Satisfies fans who hate AC, validates AC for those that do, and insults fans of VII’s ending 😂
Lol I'm so happy people are finally catching on to the lifestream theory. I've been talking about the lifestream theory since the end of remake and everyone used to say I was an idiot but now people and creators are thinking it's way more plausible
@@VlogHausOfficial it makes more sense to the world of ff7 than a tear in reality making dead people not dead in a different timeline making double buster swords double clouds and Zack finding the party at the temple and stopping sephiroth. Just my take lol
@@TheOfficialNewbThen you need to learn how Jenova can bring back the dead pal. Already written in a novel written by Nojima, Tseng recites something which Hojo remembered how the dead return, it was Jenova's doing, it was how Jenove all most succeeded in destroying the world, this lifestream theory is bull for two simple fact Elmyra and Marlene ain't dead, they never died in the og game.
@@KJames2345 the theory isn't bull because the lifestream is made up of memories memories can be from anyone who died so if anyone knew those two who died.... Which ALOT DID..... Then it's still a perfectly plausible idea. Also were not talking about jenova bringing the dead back were talking about "fate being changed" lol so jenova abilities wouldn't matter in this theory. BTW everyone should know about jenova ability since she brought back sephiroth after he was cut in half and sealed in concentrated mako crystal. If you wanna say a theory is bull make sure you have concrete information. Especially when talking to someone like me with over 20 years of experience with this story lol
I'm new to Final Fantasy. A friend of mine is an FF nut and I've never got it until now. I've done crisis core and remake and now I'm hooked. I've dived into ff6 while I wait for Rebirth - and that's amazing too!!!!
I’m confident Aerith will die again, but I think it’ll be different timing and different cause. I’ll be surprised if she dies in Rebirth, and I’m more expecting it to happen near the end of the 3rd game. I think they will try to confuse us even further with Rebirth having us thinking that maybe she’ll survive this time around.. but then she won’t by the end.
Aerith's sacrifice is the most pivotal point of FF7, without her spirit traveling into the life stream, they cannot stop the upcoming meteor calamity caused by Sephiroth, not to mention Zack and her still play the most important role of guiding Cloud to seek forgiveness and helping children to fight back Geostigma caused by again Sephiroth himself.
There's a lot of people saying about the option of saving Aerith or not, which is really nice at all... But! There's a hole in this point of view, which is part 3, that would be like: two differents sequels or 2 games and wouldn't make any sense (part 3 - Aerith alive) or (part 3 - Aerith dead). The rebirth ending has to happen for the sake of part 3, of course we can have some changes on that iconic scene and it is where we want to know what is going to happen next.
Just because there's a link to Advent Children with Final Fantasy 7 R series doesn't necessarily mean it's in story order. It could be Sephiroth from Advent Children and 1997's Final Fantasy 7 , he has a wealth of knowledge from those events and is now present in this iteration of Final Fantasy 7... The Final Fantasy 7 R series (FF7 Remake, FF7 Rebirth etc). We'll have to wait until more information comes out but that has been a fan theory for awhile.
Yeah, that’s definitely a possibility. The way they’ve worded advent children being canon sounds to me like AC is coming after the Remake trilogy, for example “The overall storyline, the developments, will not go wildly out in a way that will not add up to Advent Children in the end.” That’s not concrete of course, and it could have been translated that way.
Please please please do yourself a favor and don't listen to the devs. That is your first mistake. They said made all the same comments about Remake before it dropped. They also said Crisis Core is canon to Rebirth... Until it wasn't lol.
*My Perspective and Speculations* I was just thinking of it like this: When they created "remake" version it might meant to satisfy 'both worlds'. Those who where fans of Aerith still lost her life and those who want to see a different "canon" version of her able survive. In end i might think of it as Sq.Enix might cleverly make sure Aerith is still alive. Because there wouldnt be a "remake"(not remastered) if the outcome of Aerith tragedy did not change for those many heartfelt fans wanted too. It only be same as it was in FF7. So ofcourse so many fans DOES want to expect something different this time. Maybe Aerith will actually die in Clouds own memory. But when he wakes up(will not reveal when this event in the game or if its clash with Sephiroth and Aerith was successfully protected) she actually might still alive...there together with the party. As all incoming scenes of Aerith in Clouds memory even at start of this FF7 remakes was already shown it creates an understanding and build up for Aerith own tragedy in Clouds mind. And by the Cetra Ruins it will fall into places into Clouds mind. And thus in just this glimpse of future scenario that might happen Cloud will start to prepare before Cetra ruins and ensure that THAT event will not happen to Aerith again. A statement from Cloud entering Cetra Ruins or before Aerith Escape to go ahead of the party: "Aerith sacrificed her life for us. To save us and to save the planet. NOW it is out turn to SAVE Aerith to protect her from that tragic event itself. And with those statements there are possible outcomes. Aerith might still d** or someone else will d** for Aerith instead or Sephirot, knowing the outcome from his own downfall he wants to diverge from is actually to by going to Cetra ruins and stop the white Materia forming by Aerith and just let it happen and then different outcome of event will come from it that will satisfy Sephirot anyway and keep Sephiroth alive even later at end game. To not make the biggest mistake and achieve his goal he must let Aerith be alive. So even at the end. The ending we see in this FF7remake might not be the same as the old FF7. Spoilers alert and all of this comment is just speculation and guessing game: I think the real ending will be everyone is alive including Aerith in this REMAKE. And that Sephiroth still die in the end. And we see Nakaki above a prosperous city full crowded people after 1000years and at center of the midgard blooming square we see huge monument of statue from Midgard hero in the past who save this planet. We see the avalanche team including Tifa, Cloud, Aerith and other within square park. Or another possibilities Sephiroth is defeated but not d*ad yet meaning SqEnix might create a final extra additional disc exclusively only for this special ending that comes with everyone still alive til end(before the 1000year view from Nanaki perspective said above) and this time we see Cloud, Tifa and Aerith family visiting their heroic monument and statue that they lived a great life and made generation of ancestors after. Including Aerith granddaughters who can speak even with the life stream. Something like this...and finally i think with all tragedy thats happening in world specially the RU war on Ukraine just taking an example. With that in mind world could use even if its through entertainment something a more positive, breakthrough and hype of great and clever good ending that will satisfy both worlds. So in the end my bet here is that Aerith will still be alive with everyone. And that in this remake she finally have time to board(something she couldnt do in FF7 tragically passed in Cetra Ruins) the highwind and feel as soar above the sky true happiness.
Aerith NOT dying would fundamentally break the plot and could only result in the party's failure to stop Meteor. If SE is serious about the FFVII Rewrite joining up with Advent Children, then things should progress as expected as in AC it is confirmed that Aerith is dead (as is Zack), and that her sacrifice alongside the lifestream are able to stop Jenova/Meteor.
I think everyone is taking what the devs say too much at face value. They added an entire defying fate storyline into remake. They ended it saying the unknown journey continues. They wouldn't then take all the "unknown" out of it leading into the new games. Everything the devs are doing points to a sequel/ different timelines from the events in remake to everything they have done since. They basically have removed the unreliable narrator mystery from the game. Making sure that even new players to the story know who Zack is and his relationship with Cloud even re-releasing crisis core before the reveal in the main game. Advent Children is being re-released into theaters making sure that everyone has a chance to be familiar with the events of that movie. Advent Children is still canon to the story if this is a sequel. My question is why make sure you completely spoil all the mystery about final fantasy 7 for new players if your goal is to just release final fantasy 7 with some elements added, but at the same time intend to attract new players to the game? Why intentionally spoil everything that makes the FF7 story special ahead of time (yes it's available but square is going out of their way to put it in front of players) if you planning on ultimately telling the same story?
100% agree... I said this somewhere on someone's video 2 weeks ago... it's memories in the lifestream. No way 2 timeliness and and people alive again that shouldn't be.
Aerith's death is the author's self insert of his mothers death. As an avid FF7 fan, I am still hoping for a story that will end in Aerith and Zack's happy ending wherein their death is only a memory manipulation .
i think the reference to 'someone still has to die' (basically) is done in such a way to make you think 'Aerith' right away, however, i think it's a red herring, i think he's referring to Zack. Everyone under the sun knows that Aerith dies in the original, however, Zack is a bit more niche, and it would be VERY easy to say 'yeah, Aerith dies, we didnt change that' but he goes out of his way NOT to name aerith. I think Aerith is going to be fan-serviced into a permanent playable character when all things are said and done. Now, HOW they do that?---I think that's where the NEW story is going to take us.
I think they prevent Aerith death but they realize it’ll place the world in jeopardy. Aerith makes the sacrifice and Cloud delivers the final blow to keep the story going. The twist will be they beat sephiroth and ends with cloud using masamune to redo the sephiroth kill scene.
small note for "The maiden who travels the planet" reference, in the novel the author did not described it as an alternate reality after death where people can keep their physical form. Rather it is an astral plane, a spectral zone where people's formless souls reside before disappearing into the lifestream. Aerith is a special case, she is both Cetra and recently dead by "JenovaRoth", so she can take her last form she could remember and travel through lifestream to ask countless souls for aid and stop Sephiroth.
I think she won't die, or at least not canon. It may be the character can save her with specific choices. That may be what a lot of those scenes are. Just like you can date Tifa or Aerith, she will have scenes where she can die or not die. It is hard to tell what they will do though. Some of the things like defeating the whispers makes is seem like fate is going to change, and like you said it makes no sense for fate to change only a few small things. On the other hand, it is a defining moment in the game. On the other other hand, the defining moment of the game makes sense to change for a new game. Ultimately my guess that she won't die comes down to sales. You can't sell games with characters that are dead. My guess is the entire point of remake not being a true remake is so that Aerith lives and they can make sequel games with her in them. When they made FF7 OG they had no idea it would be such a massive hit, so killing of a character wasn't a big deal. Now that it is an IP ripe for more games, killing off a beloved character doesn't make sense IMO. People aren't playing FF7R because they're excited to see Cloud be a failure and watch Aerith die again, they're playing it because they want to see Cloud be the hero and save her. Obviously just a guess though, no idea what will happen. That is one thing we can say for sure, is they do want us to be unsure so that we're surprised regardless of which way it goes. It would be cool though if there's like a hidden side quest were you have to figure out what Aerith's plan is so you can get there in time to save her from Sephiroth, something most people would not find on their first play through. Would give a lot of replay incentive.
Her death on the OG7 had a huge impact. It can't be taken out. It Would be ridiculous! Just to please silly fans who can't accept death? Come on! I love her but she needs to go! And no, not all of us are playing the game to see her survive..
I dont agree... They clearly want and have stated they want a direct connection to Advent Children and for that to happen, Areith has to die as in Advent Children she is DEAD! Gameplay wise, They could play with Alternate Timelines and allow a player to save her, but the Canonical Ending will always be her Self Sacrifice... Without it, The story is weakened severely! And dont get me wrong - I ADORE AERITH, Like many players back then... I wanted her to live... I did all teh fan theories to bring her back, I used Cheat Devices to bring her back... ... Now I am older, I understand that her death is VITALLY IMPORTANT to the narrative! You take that away, The story collapses and has no impact! As stated by the team... And proven in Japanese Culture "Death is important in the story" Japan has a more "Understanding" relationship with the concept of Death than we do in the West... We treat it as a Taboo Subject, You dont want to think about the day you die... They treat it as a part of life, and inevitable and dont hide their children from the concept.
In the forgotten capital, sephiroth takes control of Cloud and uses him to try to kill Aerith again but this time his friends can’t get through to him and Cloud cuts her down, leaving us shocked as the credits roll.
Sure, but they also said that Remake Part 1 wasn't going to be significantly different as well. Yet we had a Barret death scene, Biggs survived. And Zack is alive now. So sure, they said they aren't moving too far away from the original but are adding extra stuff, but if the bar is the same as the first part, it might actually be very different, despite what they say.
@@eggdogtim8593 I don't think the entire fight with Jenova was a minute or two long lol. I get what you're saying and of course Barret is alive in the end, but story wise it's still very different. The idea that Sephiroth is walking around immune to destiny while destiny ghosts are resurrecting people he kills because it wasn't meant to be that way, it's a significant change to the narrative. Yes the party still ends up on the end of the unfinished highway deciding to search for Sephiroth. but the reasons they are searching are much more concrete as they just saw and fought the guy and the path through the game was also significantly altered too. That common phrase "It's about the journey not the destination" comes to mind when devs talk about things still lining up with Advent Children. Even if the main bulletpoints of the story are still being checked off the list, that journey in between them is so different that it feels odd to keep hearing "no significant changes" That said, i'm completely on board at this point and am way happier they did it this way rather than a graphic upscale and copy paste. I would have cheered, put 80-100 hours completing it 100% and replayed it instead of the original every few years. I'm much more invested in this new story now than I would have been at just looking forward to a straight remake.
I'm happy we are finally seeing some realistic takes on whats going on in Rebirth. This is all very likely. Building the physical lifestream is kind of important to later scenes that need the explanation. So this all makes sense 👍
For that scene to have even half of the impact as it did in the original, they genuinely need to convince fans that there is a possibility it will end differently for Aerith. They're not doing a bad job.
Something I had noticed also is that at the end of the trailer it shows what looks to be the palace area where aerith does die. And every playable character is there being raised up to sephiroth EXCEPT aerith, possible because she has just been killed and the party is confronting sephiroth for it
My guess is everything will play out the same and she will die. Then "remake sephiroth" be like reunion. Where two worlds merge and s***. suddenly she is still alive with zack. Roll credit. Everyone will be like ayo wtf😂
I'm not a fan of the trope "this character dies, but fear not, we will show them in the afterlife for the rest of the story so you don't miss them". I think Aerith and Zack preserving their human form within the lifestream diminishes the impact of their deaths and her sacrifice. If you sort of live another eternal life when you pass away to the lifestream, and everything is the same as in the material world, as we can see the church and all, then why should it be sad to die? let all characters die and stop worrying about Sephiroth and other mundane problems and live in eternal youth! Returning to the planet was a key theme in the original. People died, and their conciousness dissolved into the lifestream to become part of the energy that fuels and gives life to the planet. Not being able to interact with Aerith for the last 2 discs of the game made us feel the pain of losing her, while making it very emotional when we saw a glimpse of her at the ending as an implication that she being in the lifestream was the reason the planet was saved. Her living in a parallel world and seeing her happy and well will certainly not evoke those feelings that made these events so impactful, and the original so iconic.
The problem with the one timeline theory, linking into Advent Children, is that it means humanity is doomed. Although the planet is saved in the main story, and Sepheroth is defeated again in Advent Children, it is established in canon that humanity will go extinct a few hundred years after this event. This doesn't strike me as something Aerith would allow to happen, assuming she retains consciousness in the lifestream. It would be a bittersweet ending indeed if we lose Aerith again and then also realize that humanity's future dies with her.
Aerith's death was the most memoriable scene in all of JRPG history. there was no scene as iconic ad memoriable and impactful as it is b4 and there still none after. there no way they gonna skp it this time. the only question is, how can they do it justice and how can thye set it up so that the next genreation fo gamer will keep recalling it every time the term JRPG is mention for teh next 30 years. as memeriable as renoa "1 more time" scene or as heart breaking as yuna " i love you" scene, areith death scene and her funeral scene still reign supreme as most memeriable scene in jrpg history.
I like to think that because it IS the Lifestream, part of us is constantly there even while we're "alive," and to people who are "crossing over" it wouldn't be uncommon to come across agents or elements of people who are still alive, especially if that person is "deeply connected" to the Planet to begin with. Everything of who and what we are exists simultaneously in both life and the Lifestream, the only thing that changes between life and death is the location of our conscious awareness, our element of self and/or agency. When we're alive, it's on the surface in our bodies born of the Planet, to enact our will with others and for the Planet. When we pass, our souls/minds return to our tether in the Lifestream. A "new" realm of memories, intent and hopes and dreams. "Those Born of the Planet" itself implies, as does the story, that Sephiroth LEARNS of this partly through his research at the mansion and partly through Jenova (having done this before on other "planets")... that the true self exists not solely on the material nor spiritual planes, and that if one can learn to manipulate both planes through "both selves," technically one can become a god on a planetary level. If you absorb everything that is and was, and then continue that journey, you're now on Jenova's path, a path Sephiroth explicitly tells us in the OG is his goal and he thinks he can do it even better. *shrugs* Yeah as long as Kitase keeps Nomura from Kingdom Hearts'ing the shit out of this I'm here for it. GREAT video Alex, subscribed.
I dont think Zack's timeline is In Lifestream Rather the Lifestream connects all worlds in this game. They have been consistent when they said Sephiroth is representative of the original 1997 game particilarly nomura , Hamaguchi says that Zack from Crisis core reunion is not the remake game world world Zack. What you describing as a single timeline is Intersection of the worlds that have already collided or just about to but just because their flow have intersected does mean it became one. The remake game is not the Immediate past of Sephiroth or the original game... Its a separate world that its own space time continuum connected to the life stream . same Goes with Zack's world where its a similar world but not the and yet also connected to the lifestream .
Furthermore if "Fate" isn't Changed AT ALL....they shoulda just gave us a graphically enhanced version of the ORIGINAL. Don't give us a "what if we change fate" trilogy and not change SHIT. That's going to PISS OFF MULTITUDES of people and go down in history as the most POINTLESS Game of ALL TIME
My theory is this : We are parasites. After getting out of the singularity Cloud and Co. landed in Zack's "timeline", or the timeline where no whispers controlled any events. Thing is, there can only be one version of the same person in the world which is the reason why this world's Cloud, Aerith, Tifa...etc went comatose. Zack will see us as parasites and will be an antagonist, at least for a portion of the game. This ties to Aerith. She will die but her soul will be transfered to this world's Aerith and same as Biggs we might get a scene where she wakes up from her coma in the end of the game. Her memories will be different from the Aerith we know, so she still died and we'll still have to mourn OUR Aerith. That's the Rebirth.
Knowing that Nomura has the story-telling capacity of an angry tween, I have a feeling that 95% of the theories fans have come up with will be better than what actually happens but we will have to wait and see. Also the final boss will be made of belts.
Can we stop pinning all the weird things about FF7 Remake on Nomura. Nojima is the script writer for the game, and the original and Advent Children. Nomura's job was to bring these ideas to life.
If Zack is in the lifestream, why would Kyrie be there? She's not dead and there's been no implication that Zack met her before. Also, Crisis Core Reunion isn't considered apart of the Remake world is good news because what I think they're saying is that what CC added, Genesis being involved in the nibelheim incident is being scrubbed (Thank You!!!)
I still got the feeling that "the world will be saved but will you" talks about the versions of cloud. The cloud tifa is saving would be the cloud who was with zack, the one on the wheelchair. I recall yhat cloud was also on a wheelchair during those events in the og. It goes well with zack timeline is life stream theory. But i agree since were talking nomura, that place might not literally alternate timeline, or lifestream. It could be another place he concocted.
Where you mention the song ending in the trailer with the lyrics, that looks like it'll probably be Rebirth's final boss fight in front of the Forgotten Capital and Aerith isn't with the party
I appreciate you acknowledging aspects that may be inconsistent with your one timeline theory and give explanation for why that could still work. The more I think about it, you could totally have a lifestream storyline, however I feel like it may as well be a separate timeline anyway if it is functionally working as a "what if?" scenario alongside the main storyline (as alluded to in interviews which you point out). One thing I don't think you've recognised is the passing of Avalanche (Red, Barret, Tifa + Aerith) in one of the early trailers as a News Report. While you could just argue that they're all sleeping, it is implied that they were once awake and were impacted upon by the tornados in Sectors 0-2 (as per the report). If this is the lifestream, then they would've been awake prior to the tornados and living their lives in the lifestream which doesn't make any sense. A possibility you raised is they were transported from one timeline into another (one variation of the single timeline theory I've heard from babyseal and BltzZ), however it has been confirmed by trailer details that Beagle posters are in Junon. Unless this was a mistake or Square intentionally put them there to mislead us (imo unlikely) it looks like there are still two timelines. I still believe that there are two timelines, but awesome theory nonetheless!
in regards to original and remake, I agree, zack wouldn't be alive otherwise, this youtuber's theory is kinda blatant engagement bait and not very well thought out. Guy definitely is not a storyteller, at all. remake is a second chance hence the inclusion of cerberus characters (weiss) and crisis core characters, I'm curious to see where it goes.
Great video and analysis. I can see you tried to think of every variable. Looks like the FF7 story is getting really complex. I can only speak for myself, but I wouldn't mind if the writers created two timelines: one timeline that is the 1997 FF7 game that led to Advent Children. A second separate time line that is FF7 Remake and Rebirth, which leads to a different course of events. The Aerith and Sephiroth in FF7 Remake and Rebirth came from some totally different timeline. This whole story is mental gymnastics.
There's far too many contradictions with what's been said about these games. They try to convince us that they're trying to keep in some of the few elements, but made major changes that would practically change the story. I wouldn't listen to the devs at this point.
Aerith has to die.....the reason FFVII was the impactful game that it was and the reason it is considered the greatest RPG ever, was Aerith being murdered. To remove her death is to remove the impact that warranted a modern Remake of this game. There is no other character that can be killed....even Cloud...that can replicate the feeling every single player had in 1997 during that cut scene. I do think they are going to going to give us more of Aerith either through dream sequences or Clouds mishap in the life stream being fleshed out a bit more. All in all, Aerith must die or this Remake is completely pointless.
@@ErenDenizMert regardless....there is an entire generation of gamers who have never played the original who have already fallen in love with Remake. The impact now, will be even bigger....we have more time with Aerith. We actually get to hear her speak and see her interact with everyone. The emotional connection to the character is much stronger than what was able to be conveyed in 1997. Her death will still be just as impactful. Getting to actually see Cloud and other members of the party react will make it feel like we are experiencing it together, which couldn't be delivered the first time around. It is going to hurt just as much, if not more, this time around. Even though we know it is coming. That is exactly why they still have to do it.
Honestly I really don’t like the lifestream theory. It just seems like a waste to bring Zack back just to say that he’s actually dead. It’s also just not as intriguing. Two timelines and getting to see an alternate version of this iconic world is way more interesting to me. It’s almost like a what if scenario and it would be super interesting to see what happens with some characters alive who previously weren’t
For the longest time I was baffled as to why this Sephiroth would make the same mistake twice in killing aerith but the trailer put it all into perspective with Marlene’s warning to Zack. He’s stopping Aerith from using the livestream to save the planet by killing her in all “timelines”. I think the audience is in for a big redemption when Aerith is saved from her second death in Part 3 where she’ll be able to connect to the livestream and save the planet from meteor
Wanna wild theory? It is multiple timelines it always was but the harbingers of Fait ware keeping it all together, all the same every where, always. Now they are gone, so here is where the theory starts, Sephiroth came back one before, in AC, but knows it’s fruitless as he will be defeated, so instead of coming back to life he goes back in time, making sure that our heroes destroy the Harbinger of Fait and open up destiny. He knows that his plan folded because of Aearith, the last of the Ancient controlled the lifesteam and that’s how Metor was stopped, what if this time around he doesn’t kill her, just snatches her away, keeping her barely alive. Now in the final game the party including Zack in the other timeline realise that her death is the key to save the planet must kill her themselves, so Zack in his and Cloud in his, maybe Zack needs to end her (as in the trailers she seems very catatonic) in his timeline and in the main she will do it herself. One way or another we will still loose her but this time by our own hand, MGS3 style, press X to end things type of deal. Wild theory but here you go.
My theory is that Cloud dies in his timeline and Aerith dies in Zack's timeline. Which gives Zack and Cloud a reason to hop over into Cloud's timeline.
@@Kyrie.Eleisonn another one of my theories is Tifa dies. Then when Cloud falls in the life stream. Tifa helps Cloud with his memories. My only problem with that theory is how would that benefit Sephiroth.
I'm thinking the things with Zack that doesn't line up with the original story could be coming from Clouds faulty memory, maybe even to where Cloud can see him through the life stream, or he thinks that he can see him. Keep in mind the first two discs in the original was told through Clouds eyes and how he remembered things, so the first two games would be told in the same way.
that makes absolutely no sense. all zack scenes this far are completely disconnected from his pov, except when they walk by at the end, where they clearly don't even have a feeling or notion of what is happening.
Cloud being in the lifestream is because both Zack and cloud (the original) died on that hill, after Zacks death cloud was Zack-Cloud and after medeal Cloud is a new person not the original Cloud
I can’t wait for the game to drop, because I’m ready for the facts, not theories. I’m staying off the damn internet until I’ve finished my play through. Whether you’re pro Aerith living like me or pro “Remastering” the original instead of remaking the OG like the title blatantly supports, it’s time for whatever wild ride SE has in store for us to occur. 😅
I think they may end the game when Sephiroth is about to kill Aerith and leave it a cliffhanger if he does or not. And make you wait 4 years. But the end of part 1 had to have meant something. Killing the whispers and Sephiroth asking for Cloud's help to defy destiny has to somehow coincide with the coming events in part 2. It can't just be that all that happened is Zack is alive in an alternate existence. The three whispers you fight when you assess them are the 3 sephiroth clones from Advent children and it says they are fighting to keep the reality they come from intact.
A remake doesn't have to change the story, in fact, most remakes stick to the story and just update the graphics. Remakes are built from the ground up, whereas remasters enhance the existing game, update textures, improve resolution etc.
0:57 The various interviews done by teh developers already state they see Death as a vitally important factor in teh game - So I also believe that Areith's Death will remain intact... But in a Trailer there was an interesting line from Sepiroth and something that really when you look back, OH MAN! I dont believe it was something they planned back then but actually - It does work! The line in teh Trailer was Sepiroth saying "If I killed her... Who is she?" Its too early to be Arieth unless it is a Multiple Time line Theory... But there is another! And in both games, She is ESSENTIALLY KILLED... TIFA LOCKHEART... IN the demo we clearly see Sepiroth Slash her across her Abdomen with his sword... She is NOT surviving that! In teh OG Game he runs his Masmune RIGHT THROUGH HER! And this could be a great twist if it is as I am theorising! Tifa lives, but should not have lived... Not if she is HUMAN! "If I killed her... Then who is she?" - EXACTLY! What if she is also of Ancient Blood and simply never knew.. She lived because of the Mako around her at the reactor... Or maybe the Mako just helped save her... Tifa should have died - And didn't! That my fan theory! I cant wait to see if I am even close!
Something aside but The whole point of the first part was to destroy the main charadthers destinies Meaning anything could happen and why remake is actually just a sequel
And cloud being there in that wheel chair is his lifestream time maybe where he comes up after the Tifa memories to fix his mind in Mideal... just thoughts.... he sits there slumped like in OG hospital
Remake was about them "remaking their destiny" and Rebirth is about bringing her back to life in an alternate timeline, calling it now People need to understand this is not the remake you asked for, it's a reimagining of FF7, like Ever Crisis but with better graphics. The scene may still happen, but it will be reversible this time
My bet and hope, is that someone other than aerith dies and they figure out a way to bring them back but aerith has to give her life up for theirs, and that’s how she dies. :) Maybe going as far as the iconic death scene of aerith happens but someone pushes her out the way and gets impaled and dies for her. And then the journey to revive them happens and aerith gives her life force to them in order to bring them back to life
@@MicahLWebb I agree we're not escaping Aerith's death, one way or another. We need someone on the other side (lifestream) to help from there, because by the looks of it, Sephiroth will only be truly destroyed from inside the lifestream. I went through all the compilation already xD
Thanks for the video, after finishing rebirth I think this video will be accurate for the third game as well. Advent children will still happen, we're just getting more fluff between now and then. Cant believe i bought into the whole "change fate" hype..im so mad lol
I looked at the back of the Rebirth case yesterday and read "Defy Destiny Together" and laughed. I was definitely wrong about one timeline (except it's technically "worlds" and not timelines). I hope they pull it all together for part 3 into something that feels like a good payoff.
Theories are based on facts presented to you. So you cannot ignore some of them, just because they go against your theory. Marlene is in Zack's timeline. Elmyra is in Zack's timeline. Kyrie is in Zack's timeline. So Zack's timeline is not the Lifestream. Period.
I don't think she's gonna die this time. Like they said, all roads lead to Advent Children. BUT Sephiroth wants the power of destiny regardless. So I think the Whispers are gonna try to stop you from saving her when you do and he's gonna absorb them again gaining more of their power. While she won't die I think she'll get separated from everyone else post final boss and the final scene of the game is gonna show that the Party has been missing for 2 years and that Part 3 will be taking place in the Advent Children time period
If all roads lead to Advent Children, She has to die... In Advent Children, AREITH IS DEAD! Think about it... What you are saying does not work! As they woudl have to remake the movie!
Think the dev aldo tweeted he wanted a happy ending for all this time around.but also taking the teams ideas in to consideration so would be some loss.but making Zack saving aerith wouldnt suprice me att all
Think back though - The Original Ending was really very Ambiguous... We saw the Meteor Hit and be stopped by the power of Holy, but then had a Time Skip to Many Years after and Nanaki and his family watching over the reclamation of the planet by Nature... It was kind of a Sad Ending but ... Also not an immediate aftermath! So, changing teh ending woudl be very easy and they woudl need to for it to fit in with Advent Children... You cannot have that Time Skip - You must show the IMMIDIATE AFTERMATH, So we will see them STOP Sepiroths Spell... And Humans will survive... It is not that deep! But also to fit with Advent Children, AREITH MUST DIE as in Advent Children, AERITH IS DEAD! So no... Zack CANNOT save Aerith or the Games WONT FIT with Advent Children! She is 100% going to die... It is the only logical path!
Zack could be the one dying, as he's clearly alive in this timeline. It's possible he dies to protect Aerith from her fate. Alternatively she dies and he survives.
I think zach is not alive in the planet his existing is only on cloud mind, remember he explain about nibelheim, there was two cloud just like that, how bout bigs scene i think that already happened before zach death if that was really the real zach but if not that was cloud/zach, and the scene of aerith sleep that was cloud/zach i think, same to talk to marlene that's all in cloud mind that he thinks his zach, i just remember that every time the hollow song they play that when cloud do job with aerith for me that's not really real cloud that's is cloud/zach persona, that's why that song HOLLOW is for cloud to zach, its not cloud for aerith it's maybe cloud/zach for aerith beside i only think this that materia aerith had for me to activate it she really need to sacrifice her life, that's why if even they managed to save her from sephiroth there's other way sephiroth try to kill her for that i don't know yet, so over all they maybe changes other part but the main important part are still the same, that's my opinion.
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Aerith's sacrifice is essentially the pivotal moment in the entire story, you can't really have the FFVII story without it. Both in the original and it definitely seems like it in Remake too, Aerith knows what's going to happen and she chooses to go through with it anyways in order for Holy to work and save the world. That's what makes her a hero. It would wreck the story to take that away.
Aerith In the OG didn't make some "Grand Sacrifice" She was planning to summon Holy and then reunite with the party. She was murdered.
@user-ky8nd2rz4fHmm! But Sephiroth didn't kill her though, I love Jenova even fans of FFVII fall foul of her manipulation. 🤧
@toulor895 what game did you play?
She didn't sacrifice herself. Sephiroth/Jenova murdered her
My theory is, sephiroth in remake is the same sephiroth from advent children. Sephiroth is trying to change the timeline and Aerith is trying to stop sephiroth. The Aerith I'm referring to is the same Aerith from the original ff7 from 97. Kinda like days of future past
I think that's almost certainly correct based on everything Seph does in Remake
My thoughts as well. Remake aerith is likely communicating with og aerith, in some way.
Aerith is the same one from the OG. She’s just reborn in some perpetual loop or something.
@jaybee4288 nah, considering in remake there is a scene where you talk to a lifestream projection of her. This aeirth is definitely a different aerith in some capacity. Aerith doesn't have that kind of control over the lifestream until after she dies.
I think according to the short story that square revealed and some lore becoming part of the lifestream tends to make people forget ones self. Sephiroth can never truly disappear into the lifestream so aerith is trying to fight him but eventually she is destined to fade away and forget. So this aerith is a different aeirth in some capacity. Now how thetimeline changes is up in the air I agree I think she will still die. But I think she will make changes to make it possible to get rid of sephiroth completely
@chaosdirge4906 I think Cloud is going to die and sacrifice himself. I saw one video ( can't remember who uploaded it). So basically after you fight Sephiroth in remake he takes you to the Edge of Creation and he says "you have 7 seconds till the end" some shit like that. So the theory is, that 7 seconds Sephiroth refers to is the time it took him to kill Aerith in the OG ff7. And that's when Cloud probably going to do some heroic shit and sacrifice himself.
Honestly, I think the point of the Whispers and the prospect of changing fate was meant to make us feel like we felt all those years ago when we believed that if we brought 99 Phoenix Downs to the Forgotten City, Aerith would be revived. They want us to believe we can save her but we won’t be able to.
Yes I totally agree
*sobs* I did that! lol I played it when it originally came out, and didn't even have the internet then so me and everyone at school were trading lies, secrets, and hopes like hardcore drugs trying to save that poor girl.
Aerith's passing and so suddenly deeply hurt me. I was thirty some-odd hours in, had Great Gospel, and hadn't been spoiled to what would happen. I remember being so distraught that I even went to my parents and explained to them exactly what had happened, very stone faced but with silent tears going constantly (kind of ironic that that'd become my life's story not long after that, getting a chronic illness that even medical professionals either hadn't heard of and thought I was lying or knew all too well and were patiently sympathetic).
I remember my mother saying, somewhat confused and amazed simultaneously, "this really hurt you." I was a barely fifteen year old girl at the time, and hadn't ever suffered any true hardship in my life. Physical difficulties like no money or food for a few weeks were of course painful but it was the spirit and mind that was strong, and its obstacles were more monstrous.
Babbling. Take care Jack, wish you all the best.
Square authors aren't lowlife Hollywood producers. They have titles which bring in more money than Disney movies. So there's no reason for you to expect a crappy B-rated story written by someone who didn't even try.
3/3/2020 - Remake original release date
3/20/2020 - Doom Eternal release date
Spoiler: Oda foreshadowed 3/20/20 (Doom Crossing) on 3/19/18 by mentioning AC
Spoiler 2: Cloud and Doomguy destroy "mako" reactors
Spoiler 3: Nomura created his own Doomguy in SoP
When Doomguy "saluted" FF7R, he posed for a scene...where the protagonist...was on his way *to save Aerith.*
What's about to happen with all that writing on the wall...is a part 3 with no antagonist.
THE STREETS WILL FLOW WITH THE BLOOD OF THE NONBELIEVERS.
I think the death scene of Aerith in FF7 is iconic and kind of needs to happen to give it the same feels for new players as it did for us when we first played the old game.
Her death was so meaningful back then! It gave me chills! It gave me the will to fight. I remeber crying while fighting Jenova right after Aerith was murdered. I was so mad! They can't take this from me just because some players can't accept losing her. I want to see her die and avenge her again, this time with all these amazing graphics! Seriously, they can't be ridiculous to the point of saving her just to please some people who can't accept death as part of life. Aerith needs to go
“You spend about 20 hours getting to the Forgotten Capital.”
Holy zero-sidequest speedrun Batman!
Buddy, no. Have you seen a speedrun? That's not fast at all
In the new trailer, it looks like cloud tries to stop it. He probably gets one of those headache visions of her dying, tries to stop it and fails and that’s why he’s so depressed and blames himself for her death in Advent Children. So I agree it won’t happen. Exactly the same but she’ll still die.
Dev comments really should be taken with a grain of salt. Especially after Remake.
Advent Children is not Canon AFTER the Remake Trilogy.. it‘s BEFORE. Remake is the sequel to AC
Yes. This is what these people don't get. It's a play on words. Advent Children is canon indeed because the Sepiroth in Remake is from AC.
@@ReidusQuitzedI don't remember much about Advent Children, and I don't think I'll go watch it again even if it helps understanding Remake's direction. But it sure is weird knowing what Sephiroth actually is during the OG until we get to the Northern Crater. Now, in remake there's supposedly one on the loose too? My question is: Are there now 2 Sephiroths, let's say an "invader" (seen in Remake part 1) and then another one waiting for the Black Materia at Northern Crater?
Defeating the whispers is what allows people to live on in the lifestream with their consciousness intact, instead of just becoming memory energy that's turned into Materia or Mako.
That would be wild, I don't think it's like that. but interesting thought. Would be happy to hear an elab. What seems to me is that only the Cetra or Jenova (and her "descendants") can maintain a conciousness inside the lifestream. The normal flow of life is people dying and going back to the planet, their consciouness dissipates, their spirit/life energy goes back and their memories combine inside the amalgamation of memories in there. And even if the Cetra/Jenova can keep their minds, it seems like they must will it very hard, like Sephiroth hating Cloud inside the lifestream.
Square already said that Jesse dancing at Gold Saucer is indeed a hologram recording from when she was an actress there.
Oh did they? Completely missed it. In a recent interview?
@@VlogHausOfficial You're the researcher. You find it? LOL
@@user-bz7qg5xw6hthat person is lying
Let'sWarm me have some prouf of that. Becouse there are many people how are really making in their mins funny Jones about what is happening
Sephiroth: "The Reunion: when worlds merge"
World𝘀, plural
Does “worlds” necessarily mean timelines though?
@@VlogHausOfficial it definitely means there's more than one of whatever we're dealing with
Yeah for sure. And it could definitely be two concurrent timelines, or it could be that the party already merged timelines at the end of remake, or possibly, that one “world” is within the Lifestream.
@@VlogHausOfficial 🤔💯
@@VlogHausOfficial I would say that it does. Each world has it's own reality/timeline.
The way I see it, the Remake project is a re-telling or re-contextualization of the original FF7. I don’t think SE is going to fundamentally change any of the major events, themes, or outcomes for Rebirth or Part 3, just as they didn’t for Remake.
When you think about it, all the major stuff from OG 7 happened in Remake. The Bombing Missions, Wall Market, Sector 7 Plate, infiltration and escape from Shinra HQ.. The outcomes for the party remain the same even if events were told differently with added elements not seen in OG 7.
Rebirth will continue to add and build on these new elements, but at the end of the day the outcomes will be the same.
I think "worlds" could be used to describe a number of things. It could be an alternate timeline, it could be a lifestream construct, it could be something we haven't thought of.
@@VlogHausOfficialAgree! “Worlds”, “Realities” “Timelines” .. however we want to describe to it, the road traveled might be unknown, which is very exciting, but the end points will ultimately be very faithful to FF7.
Wrong. REMAKE pt1 literally changed EVERYTHING at the end and people were not happy on the first days on release. The devs themselves even had to publicly announce they won't go this far overboard with the story in REBIRTH. If that holds true or was just simple damage control in the heat of the moment, we will see in two weeks. But right now the Remake trilogy might look and play awesome, but from a writing standpoint, I've seen better fanfics over the years. It's horrible trash.
@@dshearwf They didn't change everything at all. People just speculating that Zack's alive but with zero legitimate evidence to back it up. You clearly don't know wtf you're talking about here.
Since you want to play that game, tell me which fanfics that are better than this. Come on. Let us know.
If they aren’t going to change then what’s the point of inventing the whispers and having us to destroy it at the end?
Why does anyone want Aerith to live? I love her character, but her death is way too important to the story and the characters stories.
Good video. I still believe there are two timelines. There are too many holes in the lifestream theory with there being people alive in both realities and dead in both realities. And if it does turn out that Zack's timeline is the lifestream, I'll honestly be disappointed. Sephiroth also says something to the affect of "When worlds collide" or something like that in one of the trailers.
As far as the devs wanting to recreate the emotion of playing the game for the first; that makes me think that they will alter the way in which Aerith meets her fate just as they will do with Zack and other characters who have defied destiny, like Biggs. Everyone who dies in the OG will be dead by the end of Remake part 3. "How" and "when" are the big questions.
Yeah fair enough! A few people have brought up the worlds colliding, and I don’t personally see why that would indicate multiple timelines over a replicant world within the Lifestream. But it’s open to interpretation.
Good point about changing the situation of the deaths. Very good chance they’ll do that with Aerith.
@@VlogHausOfficial Not gonna lie, I'd love to have all 9 party members back together before bodies start hitting the floor. But if it doesn't happen, I'll understand.
@@VlogHausOfficialI don’t think it’s multiple timelines. I think it’s a single timeline experiencing temporal paradoxes and the party we know was unaffected because they were inside the singularity. So I don’t think it’s a lifestream world either.
I also really like that theory
Here's My theory :
- The whispers are the wills of jenova who is controling the planet (meaning the main FF7 ending which lead to Advent Children is "bad ending")
- "remake sephiroth" realised he was being used by jenova this whole time decided to fight back. He needs cloud to fight with him which lead to the random stuff he said to cloud in remake. "Hold on to that anger" "let us defy destiny". In destiny crossroads (chapter 18). He said "listen". And the planet literally crys in pain. He hints that the planet is dying. Not because of shinra. But something bigger. Aerith said the same thing in chapter 17. Then these whispers surrounds her. Interesting...
- The final battle with harbingers of fate is happening inside the lifestream (pretty sure the devs confirmed this). We defeated them which means the lifestream is now free of "jenova's fate". Hence, Zack is free of his fate and alive. Assuming Zack's world is the lifestream..
This is basically what I've been thinking for some time. Aerith is still going to die by the end. The difference is, probably, they're going to subvert expectations in how she dies, so we think she might survive, but she still dies in the end anyway.
The scene will happen mostly the same but I highly doubt she will die. She’ll either be saved by Zack or she’ll die and end up in Zack’s timeline or something. His inclusion makes zero sense otherwise. Game developers these days just aren’t going to do that in the way they used to.
4:16 If you slow down the clip of Cloud saying “NO,” he is swinging the buster sword toward Sephiroth who is PHYSICALLY DESCENDING DOWNWARD about to stab Aerith.
My prediction is that Cloud will swing the buster sword with the intent to stop Sephiroth from stabbing her (different from the original game where a Cloud just WATCHES Sephiroth stab her).
The tragic part is that when Cloud tries to use the buster sword to stop Sephiroth, Sephiroth will instead disappear and Cloud (midswing) will accidentally slash Aerith and kill her, making her death solely Cloud’s fault. This makes the impact of her death worse. Sephiroth didn’t kill her, it was you.
4:22 Is the final fight with Sephiroth BEFORE you get to the forgotten capitol. Which is why Aerith is missing and the party is outside the glowing forgotten capitol
IF Aerith doesn't live in SOME CAPACITY, they will have made this entire trilogy absolutely POINTLESS
Theory. Advent Children is only canon to the remake trilogy.
The original ending of FFVII is the “bad” ending.
Satisfies fans who hate AC, validates AC for those that do, and insults fans of VII’s ending 😂
bruh..cissnei looks so damn good
Lol I'm so happy people are finally catching on to the lifestream theory. I've been talking about the lifestream theory since the end of remake and everyone used to say I was an idiot but now people and creators are thinking it's way more plausible
A lot of people still do NOT want to hear it, but I definitely think it’s worth exploring.
@@VlogHausOfficial it makes more sense to the world of ff7 than a tear in reality making dead people not dead in a different timeline making double buster swords double clouds and Zack finding the party at the temple and stopping sephiroth. Just my take lol
Yeah, the whole alternate timelines thing gets messy quickly in my opinion. And it’s been done a lot in movies etc lately
@@TheOfficialNewbThen you need to learn how Jenova can bring back the dead pal. Already written in a novel written by Nojima, Tseng recites something which Hojo remembered how the dead return, it was Jenova's doing, it was how Jenove all most succeeded in destroying the world, this lifestream theory is bull for two simple fact Elmyra and Marlene ain't dead, they never died in the og game.
@@KJames2345 the theory isn't bull because the lifestream is made up of memories memories can be from anyone who died so if anyone knew those two who died.... Which ALOT DID..... Then it's still a perfectly plausible idea.
Also were not talking about jenova bringing the dead back were talking about "fate being changed" lol so jenova abilities wouldn't matter in this theory. BTW everyone should know about jenova ability since she brought back sephiroth after he was cut in half and sealed in concentrated mako crystal.
If you wanna say a theory is bull make sure you have concrete information. Especially when talking to someone like me with over 20 years of experience with this story lol
I'm new to Final Fantasy. A friend of mine is an FF nut and I've never got it until now. I've done crisis core and remake and now I'm hooked. I've dived into ff6 while I wait for Rebirth - and that's amazing too!!!!
I’m confident Aerith will die again, but I think it’ll be different timing and different cause. I’ll be surprised if she dies in Rebirth, and I’m more expecting it to happen near the end of the 3rd game. I think they will try to confuse us even further with Rebirth having us thinking that maybe she’ll survive this time around.. but then she won’t by the end.
Aerith's sacrifice is the most pivotal point of FF7, without her spirit traveling into the life stream, they cannot stop the upcoming meteor calamity caused by Sephiroth, not to mention Zack and her still play the most important role of guiding Cloud to seek forgiveness and helping children to fight back Geostigma caused by again Sephiroth himself.
There's a lot of people saying about the option of saving Aerith or not, which is really nice at all... But! There's a hole in this point of view, which is part 3, that would be like: two differents sequels or 2 games and wouldn't make any sense (part 3 - Aerith alive) or (part 3 - Aerith dead). The rebirth ending has to happen for the sake of part 3, of course we can have some changes on that iconic scene and it is where we want to know what is going to happen next.
Just because there's a link to Advent Children with Final Fantasy 7 R series doesn't necessarily mean it's in story order. It could be Sephiroth from Advent Children and 1997's Final Fantasy 7 , he has a wealth of knowledge from those events and is now present in this iteration of Final Fantasy 7... The Final Fantasy 7 R series (FF7 Remake, FF7 Rebirth etc).
We'll have to wait until more information comes out but that has been a fan theory for awhile.
Yeah, that’s definitely a possibility. The way they’ve worded advent children being canon sounds to me like AC is coming after the Remake trilogy, for example “The overall storyline, the developments, will not go wildly out in a way that will not add up to Advent Children in the end.”
That’s not concrete of course, and it could have been translated that way.
Please please please do yourself a favor and don't listen to the devs. That is your first mistake. They said made all the same comments about Remake before it dropped. They also said Crisis Core is canon to Rebirth... Until it wasn't lol.
they will show how Zack and Aerith is back together again just like in ending of advent children
*My Perspective and Speculations*
I was just thinking of it like this: When they created "remake" version it might meant to satisfy 'both worlds'. Those who where fans of Aerith still lost her life and those who want to see a different "canon" version of her able survive. In end i might think of it as Sq.Enix might cleverly make sure Aerith is still alive. Because there wouldnt be a "remake"(not remastered) if the outcome of Aerith tragedy did not change for those many heartfelt fans wanted too. It only be same as it was in FF7. So ofcourse so many fans DOES want to expect something different this time. Maybe Aerith will actually die in Clouds own memory. But when he wakes up(will not reveal when this event in the game or if its clash with Sephiroth and Aerith was successfully protected) she actually might still alive...there together with the party.
As all incoming scenes of Aerith in Clouds memory even at start of this FF7 remakes was already shown it creates an understanding and build up for Aerith own tragedy in Clouds mind.
And by the Cetra Ruins it will fall into places into Clouds mind. And thus in just this glimpse of future scenario that might happen Cloud will start to prepare before Cetra ruins and ensure that THAT event will not happen to Aerith again. A statement from Cloud entering Cetra Ruins or before Aerith Escape to go ahead of the party: "Aerith sacrificed her life for us. To save us and to save the planet. NOW it is out turn to SAVE Aerith to protect her from that tragic event itself. And with those statements there are possible outcomes. Aerith might still d** or someone else will d** for Aerith instead or Sephirot, knowing the outcome from his own downfall he wants to diverge from is actually to by going to Cetra ruins and stop the white Materia forming by Aerith and just let it happen and then different outcome of event will come from it that will satisfy Sephirot anyway and keep Sephiroth alive even later at end game. To not make the biggest mistake and achieve his goal he must let Aerith be alive. So even at the end. The ending we see in this FF7remake might not be the same as the old FF7. Spoilers alert and all of this comment is just speculation and guessing game: I think the real ending will be everyone is alive including Aerith in this REMAKE. And that Sephiroth still die in the end. And we see Nakaki above a prosperous city full crowded people after 1000years and at center of the midgard blooming square we see huge monument of statue from Midgard hero in the past who save this planet. We see the avalanche team including Tifa, Cloud, Aerith and other within square park.
Or another possibilities Sephiroth is defeated but not d*ad yet meaning SqEnix might create a final extra additional disc exclusively only for this special ending that comes with everyone still alive til end(before the 1000year view from Nanaki perspective said above) and this time we see Cloud, Tifa and Aerith family visiting their heroic monument and statue that they lived a great life and made generation of ancestors after. Including Aerith granddaughters who can speak even with the life stream. Something like this...and finally i think with all tragedy thats happening in world specially the RU war on Ukraine just taking an example. With that in mind world could use even if its through entertainment something a more positive, breakthrough and hype of great and clever good ending that will satisfy both worlds. So in the end my bet here is that Aerith will still be alive with everyone. And that in this remake she finally have time to board(something she couldnt do in FF7 tragically passed in Cetra Ruins) the highwind and feel as soar above the sky true happiness.
Aerith NOT dying would fundamentally break the plot and could only result in the party's failure to stop Meteor. If SE is serious about the FFVII Rewrite joining up with Advent Children, then things should progress as expected as in AC it is confirmed that Aerith is dead (as is Zack), and that her sacrifice alongside the lifestream are able to stop Jenova/Meteor.
I think everyone is taking what the devs say too much at face value. They added an entire defying fate storyline into remake. They ended it saying the unknown journey continues. They wouldn't then take all the "unknown" out of it leading into the new games.
Everything the devs are doing points to a sequel/ different timelines from the events in remake to everything they have done since. They basically have removed the unreliable narrator mystery from the game. Making sure that even new players to the story know who Zack is and his relationship with Cloud even re-releasing crisis core before the reveal in the main game. Advent Children is being re-released into theaters making sure that everyone has a chance to be familiar with the events of that movie. Advent Children is still canon to the story if this is a sequel.
My question is why make sure you completely spoil all the mystery about final fantasy 7 for new players if your goal is to just release final fantasy 7 with some elements added, but at the same time intend to attract new players to the game? Why intentionally spoil everything that makes the FF7 story special ahead of time (yes it's available but square is going out of their way to put it in front of players) if you planning on ultimately telling the same story?
100% agree... I said this somewhere on someone's video 2 weeks ago... it's memories in the lifestream. No way 2 timeliness and and people alive again that shouldn't be.
Aerith's death is the author's self insert of his mothers death. As an avid FF7 fan, I am still hoping for a story that will end in Aerith and Zack's happy ending wherein their death is only a memory manipulation .
i think the reference to 'someone still has to die' (basically) is done in such a way to make you think 'Aerith' right away, however, i think it's a red herring, i think he's referring to Zack. Everyone under the sun knows that Aerith dies in the original, however, Zack is a bit more niche, and it would be VERY easy to say 'yeah, Aerith dies, we didnt change that' but he goes out of his way NOT to name aerith. I think Aerith is going to be fan-serviced into a permanent playable character when all things are said and done. Now, HOW they do that?---I think that's where the NEW story is going to take us.
I think they prevent Aerith death but they realize it’ll place the world in jeopardy. Aerith makes the sacrifice and Cloud delivers the final blow to keep the story going. The twist will be they beat sephiroth and ends with cloud using masamune to redo the sephiroth kill scene.
Migar is like zanarkand and now they're definitely connected lol a big dream bubble
small note for "The maiden who travels the planet" reference, in the novel the author did not described it as an alternate reality after death where people can keep their physical form. Rather it is an astral plane, a spectral zone where people's formless souls reside before disappearing into the lifestream.
Aerith is a special case, she is both Cetra and recently dead by "JenovaRoth", so she can take her last form she could remember and travel through lifestream to ask countless souls for aid and stop Sephiroth.
I think she won't die, or at least not canon. It may be the character can save her with specific choices. That may be what a lot of those scenes are. Just like you can date Tifa or Aerith, she will have scenes where she can die or not die.
It is hard to tell what they will do though. Some of the things like defeating the whispers makes is seem like fate is going to change, and like you said it makes no sense for fate to change only a few small things. On the other hand, it is a defining moment in the game. On the other other hand, the defining moment of the game makes sense to change for a new game.
Ultimately my guess that she won't die comes down to sales. You can't sell games with characters that are dead. My guess is the entire point of remake not being a true remake is so that Aerith lives and they can make sequel games with her in them. When they made FF7 OG they had no idea it would be such a massive hit, so killing of a character wasn't a big deal. Now that it is an IP ripe for more games, killing off a beloved character doesn't make sense IMO. People aren't playing FF7R because they're excited to see Cloud be a failure and watch Aerith die again, they're playing it because they want to see Cloud be the hero and save her.
Obviously just a guess though, no idea what will happen. That is one thing we can say for sure, is they do want us to be unsure so that we're surprised regardless of which way it goes. It would be cool though if there's like a hidden side quest were you have to figure out what Aerith's plan is so you can get there in time to save her from Sephiroth, something most people would not find on their first play through. Would give a lot of replay incentive.
Her death on the OG7 had a huge impact. It can't be taken out. It Would be ridiculous! Just to please silly fans who can't accept death? Come on! I love her but she needs to go! And no, not all of us are playing the game to see her survive..
I dont agree... They clearly want and have stated they want a direct connection to Advent Children and for that to happen, Areith has to die as in Advent Children she is DEAD!
Gameplay wise, They could play with Alternate Timelines and allow a player to save her, but the Canonical Ending will always be her Self Sacrifice... Without it, The story is weakened severely! And dont get me wrong - I ADORE AERITH, Like many players back then... I wanted her to live... I did all teh fan theories to bring her back, I used Cheat Devices to bring her back...
... Now I am older, I understand that her death is VITALLY IMPORTANT to the narrative! You take that away, The story collapses and has no impact! As stated by the team... And proven in Japanese Culture "Death is important in the story"
Japan has a more "Understanding" relationship with the concept of Death than we do in the West... We treat it as a Taboo Subject, You dont want to think about the day you die... They treat it as a part of life, and inevitable and dont hide their children from the concept.
In the forgotten capital, sephiroth takes control of Cloud and uses him to try to kill Aerith again but this time his friends can’t get through to him and Cloud cuts her down, leaving us shocked as the credits roll.
That would be ROUGH to watch
its secretly a chrono cross sequel actually parallel worlds
they had the opporutnity to erase advent children from canon but said nope we're keeping it. L bozos.
Sure, but they also said that Remake Part 1 wasn't going to be significantly different as well.
Yet we had a Barret death scene, Biggs survived.
And Zack is alive now.
So sure, they said they aren't moving too far away from the original but are adding extra stuff, but if the bar is the same as the first part, it might actually be very different, despite what they say.
I wouldn't really call it a death scene for Barrett as he was only out for a minute or so...
@@eggdogtim8593 I don't think the entire fight with Jenova was a minute or two long lol.
I get what you're saying and of course Barret is alive in the end, but story wise it's still very different.
The idea that Sephiroth is walking around immune to destiny while destiny ghosts are resurrecting people he kills because it wasn't meant to be that way, it's a significant change to the narrative.
Yes the party still ends up on the end of the unfinished highway deciding to search for Sephiroth. but the reasons they are searching are much more concrete as they just saw and fought the guy and the path through the game was also significantly altered too.
That common phrase "It's about the journey not the destination" comes to mind when devs talk about things still lining up with Advent Children.
Even if the main bulletpoints of the story are still being checked off the list, that journey in between them is so different that it feels odd to keep hearing "no significant changes"
That said, i'm completely on board at this point and am way happier they did it this way rather than a graphic upscale and copy paste.
I would have cheered, put 80-100 hours completing it 100% and replayed it instead of the original every few years.
I'm much more invested in this new story now than I would have been at just looking forward to a straight remake.
Just give the people what they want man. You already broke our hearts in 97
I'm happy we are finally seeing some realistic takes on whats going on in Rebirth. This is all very likely. Building the physical lifestream is kind of important to later scenes that need the explanation. So this all makes sense 👍
Thanks! Glad it made sense :)
For that scene to have even half of the impact as it did in the original, they genuinely need to convince fans that there is a possibility it will end differently for Aerith. They're not doing a bad job.
I think you’re bang on
Something I had noticed also is that at the end of the trailer it shows what looks to be the palace area where aerith does die. And every playable character is there being raised up to sephiroth EXCEPT aerith, possible because she has just been killed and the party is confronting sephiroth for it
My guess is everything will play out the same and she will die.
Then "remake sephiroth" be like reunion. Where two worlds merge and s***. suddenly she is still alive with zack. Roll credit. Everyone will be like ayo wtf😂
I'm not a fan of the trope "this character dies, but fear not, we will show them in the afterlife for the rest of the story so you don't miss them".
I think Aerith and Zack preserving their human form within the lifestream diminishes the impact of their deaths and her sacrifice. If you sort of live another eternal life when you pass away to the lifestream, and everything is the same as in the material world, as we can see the church and all, then why should it be sad to die? let all characters die and stop worrying about Sephiroth and other mundane problems and live in eternal youth!
Returning to the planet was a key theme in the original. People died, and their conciousness dissolved into the lifestream to become part of the energy that fuels and gives life to the planet. Not being able to interact with Aerith for the last 2 discs of the game made us feel the pain of losing her, while making it very emotional when we saw a glimpse of her at the ending as an implication that she being in the lifestream was the reason the planet was saved.
Her living in a parallel world and seeing her happy and well will certainly not evoke those feelings that made these events so impactful, and the original so iconic.
The problem with the one timeline theory, linking into Advent Children, is that it means humanity is doomed. Although the planet is saved in the main story, and Sepheroth is defeated again in Advent Children, it is established in canon that humanity will go extinct a few hundred years after this event. This doesn't strike me as something Aerith would allow to happen, assuming she retains consciousness in the lifestream. It would be a bittersweet ending indeed if we lose Aerith again and then also realize that humanity's future dies with her.
That is the problem Sephiroth is "fixing" with his Reunion. He is creating a World passed the Cycle of Life and Death, one that cannot Die.
Aerith's death was the most memoriable scene in all of JRPG history. there was no scene as iconic ad memoriable and impactful as it is b4 and there still none after. there no way they gonna skp it this time. the only question is, how can they do it justice and how can thye set it up so that the next genreation fo gamer will keep recalling it every time the term JRPG is mention for teh next 30 years. as memeriable as renoa "1 more time" scene or as heart breaking as yuna " i love you" scene, areith death scene and her funeral scene still reign supreme as most memeriable scene in jrpg history.
I like to think that because it IS the Lifestream, part of us is constantly there even while we're "alive," and to people who are "crossing over" it wouldn't be uncommon to come across agents or elements of people who are still alive, especially if that person is "deeply connected" to the Planet to begin with. Everything of who and what we are exists simultaneously in both life and the Lifestream, the only thing that changes between life and death is the location of our conscious awareness, our element of self and/or agency. When we're alive, it's on the surface in our bodies born of the Planet, to enact our will with others and for the Planet.
When we pass, our souls/minds return to our tether in the Lifestream. A "new" realm of memories, intent and hopes and dreams.
"Those Born of the Planet" itself implies, as does the story, that Sephiroth LEARNS of this partly through his research at the mansion and partly through Jenova (having done this before on other "planets")... that the true self exists not solely on the material nor spiritual planes, and that if one can learn to manipulate both planes through "both selves," technically one can become a god on a planetary level. If you absorb everything that is and was, and then continue that journey, you're now on Jenova's path, a path Sephiroth explicitly tells us in the OG is his goal and he thinks he can do it even better.
*shrugs* Yeah as long as Kitase keeps Nomura from Kingdom Hearts'ing the shit out of this I'm here for it. GREAT video Alex, subscribed.
I dont think Zack's timeline is In Lifestream Rather the Lifestream connects all worlds in this game. They have been consistent when they said Sephiroth is representative of the original 1997 game particilarly nomura , Hamaguchi says that Zack from Crisis core reunion is not the remake game world world Zack.
What you describing as a single timeline is Intersection of the worlds that have already collided or just about to but just because their flow have intersected does mean it became one. The remake game is not the Immediate past of Sephiroth or the original game... Its a separate world that its own space time continuum connected to the life stream . same Goes with Zack's world where its a similar world but not the and yet also connected to the lifestream .
Furthermore if "Fate" isn't Changed AT ALL....they shoulda just gave us a graphically enhanced version of the ORIGINAL. Don't give us a "what if we change fate" trilogy and not change SHIT. That's going to PISS OFF MULTITUDES of people and go down in history as the most POINTLESS Game of ALL TIME
My theory is this : We are parasites. After getting out of the singularity Cloud and Co. landed in Zack's "timeline", or the timeline where no whispers controlled any events.
Thing is, there can only be one version of the same person in the world which is the reason why this world's Cloud, Aerith, Tifa...etc went comatose. Zack will see us as parasites and will be an antagonist, at least for a portion of the game.
This ties to Aerith. She will die but her soul will be transfered to this world's Aerith and same as Biggs we might get a scene where she wakes up from her coma in the end of the game. Her memories will be different from the Aerith we know, so she still died and we'll still have to mourn OUR Aerith. That's the Rebirth.
I like the idea of Aerith’s memories and consciousness not transferring across, if they do have a cross “timelines” revival situation.
Knowing that Nomura has the story-telling capacity of an angry tween, I have a feeling that 95% of the theories fans have come up with will be better than what actually happens but we will have to wait and see.
Also the final boss will be made of belts.
Can we stop pinning all the weird things about FF7 Remake on Nomura. Nojima is the script writer for the game, and the original and Advent Children. Nomura's job was to bring these ideas to life.
If Zack is in the lifestream, why would Kyrie be there? She's not dead and there's been no implication that Zack met her before.
Also, Crisis Core Reunion isn't considered apart of the Remake world is good news because what I think they're saying is that what CC added, Genesis being involved in the nibelheim incident is being scrubbed (Thank You!!!)
Genesis has been scrubbed from the franchise, SE won't use Gackt face, in the franchise anymore due to his prison sentencing and corruption charges.
I still got the feeling that "the world will be saved but will you" talks about the versions of cloud. The cloud tifa is saving would be the cloud who was with zack, the one on the wheelchair. I recall yhat cloud was also on a wheelchair during those events in the og. It goes well with zack timeline is life stream theory.
But i agree since were talking nomura, that place might not literally alternate timeline, or lifestream. It could be another place he concocted.
Where you mention the song ending in the trailer with the lyrics, that looks like it'll probably be Rebirth's final boss fight in front of the Forgotten Capital and Aerith isn't with the party
@StrikeNVII They intentionally curate the trailers. It’s pretty meaningless to analyse them.
I appreciate you acknowledging aspects that may be inconsistent with your one timeline theory and give explanation for why that could still work. The more I think about it, you could totally have a lifestream storyline, however I feel like it may as well be a separate timeline anyway if it is functionally working as a "what if?" scenario alongside the main storyline (as alluded to in interviews which you point out).
One thing I don't think you've recognised is the passing of Avalanche (Red, Barret, Tifa + Aerith) in one of the early trailers as a News Report. While you could just argue that they're all sleeping, it is implied that they were once awake and were impacted upon by the tornados in Sectors 0-2 (as per the report). If this is the lifestream, then they would've been awake prior to the tornados and living their lives in the lifestream which doesn't make any sense.
A possibility you raised is they were transported from one timeline into another (one variation of the single timeline theory I've heard from babyseal and BltzZ), however it has been confirmed by trailer details that Beagle posters are in Junon. Unless this was a mistake or Square intentionally put them there to mislead us (imo unlikely) it looks like there are still two timelines.
I still believe that there are two timelines, but awesome theory nonetheless!
in regards to original and remake, I agree, zack wouldn't be alive otherwise, this youtuber's theory is kinda blatant engagement bait and not very well thought out. Guy definitely is not a storyteller, at all. remake is a second chance hence the inclusion of cerberus characters (weiss) and crisis core characters, I'm curious to see where it goes.
Great video and analysis. I can see you tried to think of every variable. Looks like the FF7 story is getting really complex. I can only speak for myself, but I wouldn't mind if the writers created two timelines: one timeline that is the 1997 FF7 game that led to Advent Children. A second separate time line that is FF7 Remake and Rebirth, which leads to a different course of events. The Aerith and Sephiroth in FF7 Remake and Rebirth came from some totally different timeline. This whole story is mental gymnastics.
Thank you!
Yeah it probably won't be in any way straight forward.
There's far too many contradictions with what's been said about these games. They try to convince us that they're trying to keep in some of the few elements, but made major changes that would practically change the story.
I wouldn't listen to the devs at this point.
Aerith has to die.....the reason FFVII was the impactful game that it was and the reason it is considered the greatest RPG ever, was Aerith being murdered. To remove her death is to remove the impact that warranted a modern Remake of this game. There is no other character that can be killed....even Cloud...that can replicate the feeling every single player had in 1997 during that cut scene. I do think they are going to going to give us more of Aerith either through dream sequences or Clouds mishap in the life stream being fleshed out a bit more. All in all, Aerith must die or this Remake is completely pointless.
Well the impact is gone and most know about her death. They alr wrote around it way too much
@@ErenDenizMert regardless....there is an entire generation of gamers who have never played the original who have already fallen in love with Remake. The impact now, will be even bigger....we have more time with Aerith. We actually get to hear her speak and see her interact with everyone. The emotional connection to the character is much stronger than what was able to be conveyed in 1997. Her death will still be just as impactful. Getting to actually see Cloud and other members of the party react will make it feel like we are experiencing it together, which couldn't be delivered the first time around. It is going to hurt just as much, if not more, this time around. Even though we know it is coming. That is exactly why they still have to do it.
Honestly I really don’t like the lifestream theory. It just seems like a waste to bring Zack back just to say that he’s actually dead. It’s also just not as intriguing. Two timelines and getting to see an alternate version of this iconic world is way more interesting to me. It’s almost like a what if scenario and it would be super interesting to see what happens with some characters alive who previously weren’t
Considering how many blatant lies they've told thus far, anytime they say is meaningless
They want it to have the same impact though. So part of me thinks they will have to bait us first.
I think this is it
Sepheroth won’t kill her so the white material can’t be used. Cloud will be forced to kill her himself. Boom
Aerith dies but this time Cloud, with the deeper influence of Sephiroth, will be the one to kill her by accident.
For the longest time I was baffled as to why this Sephiroth would make the same mistake twice in killing aerith but the trailer put it all into perspective with Marlene’s warning to Zack. He’s stopping Aerith from using the livestream to save the planet by killing her in all “timelines”.
I think the audience is in for a big redemption when Aerith is saved from her second death in Part 3 where she’ll be able to connect to the livestream and save the planet from meteor
Wanna wild theory? It is multiple timelines it always was but the harbingers of Fait ware keeping it all together, all the same every where, always. Now they are gone, so here is where the theory starts, Sephiroth came back one before, in AC, but knows it’s fruitless as he will be defeated, so instead of coming back to life he goes back in time, making sure that our heroes destroy the Harbinger of Fait and open up destiny. He knows that his plan folded because of Aearith, the last of the Ancient controlled the lifesteam and that’s how Metor was stopped, what if this time around he doesn’t kill her, just snatches her away, keeping her barely alive. Now in the final game the party including Zack in the other timeline realise that her death is the key to save the planet must kill her themselves, so Zack in his and Cloud in his, maybe Zack needs to end her (as in the trailers she seems very catatonic) in his timeline and in the main she will do it herself. One way or another we will still loose her but this time by our own hand, MGS3 style, press X to end things type of deal.
Wild theory but here you go.
My theory is that Cloud dies in his timeline and Aerith dies in Zack's timeline. Which gives Zack and Cloud a reason to hop over into Cloud's timeline.
I think sephy an aerith can see the future. Not goes back in time. Nice theory by the way
@@Kyrie.Eleisonn another one of my theories is Tifa dies. Then when Cloud falls in the life stream. Tifa helps Cloud with his memories. My only problem with that theory is how would that benefit Sephiroth.
i dont see why they would bother with 2 timelines if the story still plays out with aerith dying.
I'm thinking the things with Zack that doesn't line up with the original story could be coming from Clouds faulty memory, maybe even to where Cloud can see him through the life stream, or he thinks that he can see him. Keep in mind the first two discs in the original was told through Clouds eyes and how he remembered things, so the first two games would be told in the same way.
that makes absolutely no sense. all zack scenes this far are completely disconnected from his pov, except when they walk by at the end, where they clearly don't even have a feeling or notion of what is happening.
Cloud being in the lifestream is because both Zack and cloud (the original) died on that hill, after Zacks death cloud was Zack-Cloud and after medeal Cloud is a new person not the original Cloud
Did you play the remake, did you see the ending of remake? Clearly you khow who can control timeline and change it.
Watching now! And let me tell u, i also at one time believed its one timeline. Not anymore, but I did for a while.
Yeah, it was nice to theorise but unfortunately, not the case haha
I can’t wait for the game to drop, because I’m ready for the facts, not theories. I’m staying off the damn internet until I’ve finished my play through. Whether you’re pro Aerith living like me or pro “Remastering” the original instead of remaking the OG like the title blatantly supports, it’s time for whatever wild ride SE has in store for us to occur. 😅
I think they may end the game when Sephiroth is about to kill Aerith and leave it a cliffhanger if he does or not. And make you wait 4 years.
But the end of part 1 had to have meant something. Killing the whispers and Sephiroth asking for Cloud's help to defy destiny has to somehow coincide with the coming events in part 2. It can't just be that all that happened is Zack is alive in an alternate existence.
The three whispers you fight when you assess them are the 3 sephiroth clones from Advent children and it says they are fighting to keep the reality they come from intact.
If aerith dies then it’s not a remake it’s a remastered, make no sense
A remake doesn't have to change the story, in fact, most remakes stick to the story and just update the graphics. Remakes are built from the ground up, whereas remasters enhance the existing game, update textures, improve resolution etc.
Do you really believe that a developer would just reveal the entire plot like that? Come on.
0:57 The various interviews done by teh developers already state they see Death as a vitally important factor in teh game - So I also believe that Areith's Death will remain intact... But in a Trailer there was an interesting line from Sepiroth and something that really when you look back, OH MAN! I dont believe it was something they planned back then but actually - It does work!
The line in teh Trailer was Sepiroth saying "If I killed her... Who is she?"
Its too early to be Arieth unless it is a Multiple Time line Theory... But there is another! And in both games, She is ESSENTIALLY KILLED...
TIFA LOCKHEART... IN the demo we clearly see Sepiroth Slash her across her Abdomen with his sword... She is NOT surviving that! In teh OG Game he runs his Masmune RIGHT THROUGH HER!
And this could be a great twist if it is as I am theorising! Tifa lives, but should not have lived... Not if she is HUMAN! "If I killed her... Then who is she?" - EXACTLY! What if she is also of Ancient Blood and simply never knew.. She lived because of the Mako around her at the reactor... Or maybe the Mako just helped save her... Tifa should have died - And didn't!
That my fan theory! I cant wait to see if I am even close!
Something aside but
The whole point of the first part was to destroy the main charadthers destinies
Meaning anything could happen and why remake is actually just a sequel
Aerith will die in rebirth but will be back in the third game. But at the end she will have to leave because she belong in Zack timeline
Ok.... but sephirot in the trailer says " Reunion: when the worlds merge"
So there are 2 worlds
Very literal understanding of what he said without any information of the context in a trailer that knows people are speculating on the timelines.
And cloud being there in that wheel chair is his lifestream time maybe where he comes up after the Tifa memories to fix his mind in Mideal... just thoughts.... he sits there slumped like in OG hospital
Yeah that could definitely fit in if time doesn’t run necessarily the same
Aerith dying is the most important part of the story.
I think party never actually defeated whispers sephiroth is the one who observed them all and now he can use them
The fact that they remember th3 "the future" events while fating fate is proot its a different timeline
Remake was about them "remaking their destiny" and Rebirth is about bringing her back to life in an alternate timeline, calling it now
People need to understand this is not the remake you asked for, it's a reimagining of FF7, like Ever Crisis but with better graphics. The scene may still happen, but it will be reversible this time
I bet it refers to sephiroth getting a new body.
@@sindelioinsert Kadaj, Loz and Yazoo here lol
My bet and hope, is that someone other than aerith dies and they figure out a way to bring them back but aerith has to give her life up for theirs, and that’s how she dies. :)
Maybe going as far as the iconic death scene of aerith happens but someone pushes her out the way and gets impaled and dies for her. And then the journey to revive them happens and aerith gives her life force to them in order to bring them back to life
@@MicahLWebb I agree we're not escaping Aerith's death, one way or another. We need someone on the other side (lifestream) to help from there, because by the looks of it, Sephiroth will only be truly destroyed from inside the lifestream. I went through all the compilation already xD
Maybe he'll finally use a fucking Phoenix down
Thanks for the video, after finishing rebirth I think this video will be accurate for the third game as well. Advent children will still happen, we're just getting more fluff between now and then.
Cant believe i bought into the whole "change fate" hype..im so mad lol
I looked at the back of the Rebirth case yesterday and read "Defy Destiny Together" and laughed. I was definitely wrong about one timeline (except it's technically "worlds" and not timelines). I hope they pull it all together for part 3 into something that feels like a good payoff.
Theories are based on facts presented to you. So you cannot ignore some of them, just because they go against your theory. Marlene is in Zack's timeline. Elmyra is in Zack's timeline. Kyrie is in Zack's timeline. So Zack's timeline is not the Lifestream. Period.
No but it is the only actual timeline, the rest is illusions!
I don't think she's gonna die this time. Like they said, all roads lead to Advent Children. BUT Sephiroth wants the power of destiny regardless. So I think the Whispers are gonna try to stop you from saving her when you do and he's gonna absorb them again gaining more of their power. While she won't die I think she'll get separated from everyone else post final boss and the final scene of the game is gonna show that the Party has been missing for 2 years and that Part 3 will be taking place in the Advent Children time period
If all roads lead to Advent Children, She has to die... In Advent Children, AREITH IS DEAD!
Think about it... What you are saying does not work! As they woudl have to remake the movie!
Think the dev aldo tweeted he wanted a happy ending for all this time around.but also taking the teams ideas in to consideration so would be some loss.but making Zack saving aerith wouldnt suprice me att all
Think back though - The Original Ending was really very Ambiguous... We saw the Meteor Hit and be stopped by the power of Holy, but then had a Time Skip to Many Years after and Nanaki and his family watching over the reclamation of the planet by Nature... It was kind of a Sad Ending but ... Also not an immediate aftermath!
So, changing teh ending woudl be very easy and they woudl need to for it to fit in with Advent Children... You cannot have that Time Skip - You must show the IMMIDIATE AFTERMATH, So we will see them STOP Sepiroths Spell... And Humans will survive...
It is not that deep! But also to fit with Advent Children, AREITH MUST DIE as in Advent Children, AERITH IS DEAD! So no... Zack CANNOT save Aerith or the Games WONT FIT with Advent Children! She is 100% going to die... It is the only logical path!
Zack could be the one dying, as he's clearly alive in this timeline.
It's possible he dies to protect Aerith from her fate. Alternatively she dies and he survives.
Literally look at 3:40 on the final trailer and you can see that they’re missing from the group
It seems to me in the scene where Sephiroth says ‘fill your hollow heart with rage Sephiroth wants Cloud to kill him so he can go in the lifestream.
He’s already in the lifestream
@@zeezus890😂😂😂 exactly
I plan to kill Sephiroth early on and every single Whisper till I fix the trauma that Aerith's death caused me so many years ago😆
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Since this will link up to AC, Aerith will die, but it might not be in this part.
I think zach is not alive in the planet his existing is only on cloud mind, remember he explain about nibelheim, there was two cloud just like that, how bout bigs scene i think that already happened before zach death if that was really the real zach but if not that was cloud/zach, and the scene of aerith sleep that was cloud/zach i think, same to talk to marlene that's all in cloud mind that he thinks his zach,
i just remember that every time the hollow song they play that when cloud do job with aerith for me that's not really real cloud that's is cloud/zach persona,
that's why that song HOLLOW is for cloud to zach, its not cloud for aerith it's maybe cloud/zach for aerith beside i only think this that materia aerith had for me to activate it she really need to sacrifice her life, that's why if even they managed to save her from sephiroth there's other way sephiroth try to kill her for that i don't know yet, so over all they maybe changes other part but the main important part are still the same, that's my opinion.