Nice test. Side note - the tire pressure should be matched to specs when the tires are cold, not warm. You stated you started at 38 psi with the goal to hit the factory recommended 42 when warm. You should be starting at 42 psi cold. Yes, they will rise to ~45 psi warm but that is not an issue.
@@gregthesplintercell "cold" for purposes of tires is ambient temperature. If you start off below the cold pressure on the door, you are giving up range/performance from minute 0.
I start most days with your videos. I turn 70 this year we had budgeted enough money for me to get a new Corvette. But decided to check out the Teslas. We drive from our house at the lake to Tulsa for my wife to watch our new grand daughter and I go across the street to help my 90 year old Mom. A Tesla would have to be a better car for this. 67 miles one way. Thanks
42 Cold is not good while driving through the Desert to Las Vegas where temps are in the 100’s at 42 Cold with my Model Y I see 50 PSI when it’s that hot and have to pull over to let some air out. So now I start at 38 and see a safer 46.
@@fredsmodel3n192 from the model Y owners manual: “Do not let air out of warm tires in an attempt to match recommended cold tire pressures. A hot tire at or below the recommended cold tire inflation pressure is dangerously under-inflated.”
I ordered mine with the 19s but a triple black Y came available and it had 20s and my sales advisor offered it to me. I took it. And I love them. I know it’s a little rougher ride but they look awesome. Especially on triple black and I get compliments on the wheels more than the car
An advantage of the 19's is you are less likely cut the sidewall hitting a curb or debris. With no spare on a long trip that is significant. If you look at race cars they all employ lots of sidewall for performance.
Factory PSI is 42 COLD, they will increase as you drive and that’s ok. Mine climb to over 45 in the summer. I’m replacing the 21” Uberturbines with some 18s from TSportLine next week. I have driven my new PMY to 2500 miles in less than a month. Gonna measure efficiency and performance between them. Can’t wait to see the results.
This video is old but I just want to comment on this thread. I have 2019 Model 3 Performance. Five years of ownership and multiple popped sidewall, cracked wheels, I switched to 18x9.5 Apex EC7 flow formed wheels with 255/45r18. Yes wider wheels and tires but minus two configuration with taller sidewall. This saved 6lbs of weight per setup. The ride is so much better. You can still feel the road but now it is like a reminder instead of a jolt. Car still grips like glue. Best of all, I went from 275 to 260 Wh/mile. Not bad considering it is a wider tread tire. The pressure is 42 cold.
Great video. Just a quick safety point, when changing a tire please be sure to not have any body parts under the car just in case that jack fails. Don’t want to see you get hurt!!
I have a 2021 Model Y Performance and I went with 295/35/21 all season in the back and 275/35/21 in the front and I lost a couple of miles, but I gained a lot on comfort and peace of mind on the rims. The tires look so much better on the rims now
@@brianlclayton Michelin sport all season. It was recommended by a technician at Tesla as the ones on them now are overstretched. Do you agree? You will notice more rim protection as well
@@brianlclayton I agree with you, there are no winter tires for that size wheels, but I don’t have to worry about it in Southern California and all season should be sufficient in my local ski resorts
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The best combination is just to get the 19" tires (tesla spec continentals) and get a nice looking set of wheels from T-sportline (really great looking black / sporty look). You get the best comfort / range and also really great looks. I do this on my Performance Model Y and I get the same range as a LR Model Y, with sporty looks..
@@thedude7315 not a dumb question! It actually fits with no clearance issues on the performance brakes (19" tesla wheels), or in my case, the 19" t-sportlines made for this car. Unlike the Model 3, where you can't fit the smallest wheels on the performance version (brake issues).
The halodisc's are not meant for range just FYI. They're more actually meant for performance and brake cooling. They're not meant to give you a better range. They're meant to provide more airflow like a fan towards the brakes for high speed braking, which is an even better benefit to have for a small cost.
Always a pleasure to watch your vids. I actually logged on now to get the matter of cold tyre pressures straight but another fan has it covered. So I can only agree; all tyre pressure refer to cold and consequently it can be difficult to accurately check your tyres when they are hot. Of course I know it was a deliberate mistake just to check we are concentrating. Take care and keep them coming.🙂
Thanks for sharing. Really appreciate your effort and time put into something very few individuals would not only do but painstakingly post. Kudos brother!
Nice video. Doing the work! I’m sure speed and/or wind speed has a lot to do with efficiency. Having bicycle toured a lot, I can tell you 100 miles into the wind, even a 5 mph wind, makes a huge energy difference. News and testing is great, but entertainment factor is going to push you up to 100K faster than anything. Some day I will get a Tesla too. Looks like it will be 10 or 11 months since ordering before I get one. I went with LR white on white and 20 inch wheels. I can’t wait to join you.
yes, you know about how wind changes your efficiency when you are a bike rider ;) I have the Model Y black with the 20 in induction wheels. they look awesome.. maybe the best looking Tesla production wheel.. I am not a fan of the performance Uberturbines.
If I get a LR Model Y with 19 inch Gemini wheels, I may consider getting lighter weight wheels to reduce the unsprung weight and lower the inertia to increase the car's range--and probably improve the acceleration as well.
The discs are more important than weight for range. There are no other 19 wheels that beat Gemini with discs for range. Aerodynamics is more important than weight.
I just ordered the Laminar black Rimetrix wheel covers for my MYLR and looking forward to putting them on! I anguished over the Gemini/Induction wheel decision for months, but ultimately went with Gemini for the cost and performance advantages even though I love the look of the Induction wheels. The Rimetrix wheel covers should give me the best of both worlds! Love the channel, Gjeebs!
Same here. Just ordered the laminars and was pleasantly surprised that they sent shipping info within a day. Should get here next week and I can't wait. Also, I agree that this is a great channel. Gjeebs is the best!
Gjeebs was my first for focus st content then i found cameron and carmaspeed last i found Ben Lovrien for his st content. Blowing my mind to see all of you collaborating. I think you 3 might have stumbled upon a youtube gem. Can't think of other channels i watch that are doing this. Keep it up guys 🤘👍👍
Great video, thanks! We bought the 20" for our MY DMLR simply for the looks - well, and at the time, estimated delivery dates for the car with 19" were 6 months longer! I believe the 19"s would be more efficient, and probably quieter/smoother as you said, but I can't get over the look of the 20"s. Also, it seems like to get the 19"s, we'd need to enhance the look with Gemini aero caps are not available on Tesla's site. We live in Europe and I don't know about the aftermarket product sites here enough to trust them. If anyone knows some good ones, please advise.
So there was a release of what Tesla called the comfort suspension for the Y in October it's not clear if you where reviewing one of those . I suspect not.
I really enjoy your videos very informative and funny, you crack me up. I am going to get a model y for my wife in the very near future and your information is helping me make the right choices for the car.
The recommend tire pressure of 42psi should be when the tires are cold. After driving for a bit and the tires warm up, the pressure will increase to 45-46psi.
the 18"'s are better for not only mileage but with more beef, from the tread to the rim, you get some protection should you run into a pothole. Plus beefier tires just look better. But then again I grew up in the 70's muscle car era and beefy tires were the norm.
@@kentgabriel3572 like I wrote in another post, 42 Cold will swell up to 50 PSI hot while driving through the desert heading to Las Vegas in my Model 3 and Model Y. , so like Gjeebs I start out at 38 and see 46 when Hot.
@@fredsmodel3n192 the tire pressure is meant to be set cold and not changed. The tire is designed to withstand the increase in pressure from driving and hot temperature. For example, all the tires that are used in Teslas have a max rated cold pressure of 51 or 50. That means that you can safely set the tire pressure to 51 or 50 (whichever it says on the sidewall) "cold", which means after the car has sat for a while; and you don't have to worry about the tire pressure even if you will drive it in a hot desert. As a rule of thumb, tire pressure changes by 1 PSI for every 10°F change. Of course, you don't want to set your tire to 50 PSI at 0°F and then drive it in a desert that's at 110°F. But for the Tesla, set the tires at the recommended 42 PSI cold and forget about it.
I ended up going with the 19 inch wheels.. LOVE the induction wheels but too antsy about the risk of cracks and curb rash... not to mention the range reduction. I kinda like the Gemini wheels anyways ;)
I love the look of the black on the inductions but would prefer the 19s for efficiency and cost savings. What is your recommendation for adding a cover to the 19s to turn them black?
I currently have 20" Inductions and I really want to soften the ride. If 19" feels better, would 18" feel even better than that? Which is a better investment for ride quality: wheels/tires or luxury coilovers?
I would say the better option is the wheels because they will improve your ride quality AND give you better range. Suspension will only improve your ride quality
I had the same question. I have the 20s but ride is rough. UK roads are not made for this car. I don’t like 19s. Need to find out if I can put higher wall tyres on the 20s. Should be enough space if the Performance can hold 21s.
Thanks for the video. Can I make a recommendation? Get some garage wall guards!!! The $15-20 product will change your life in a small but perceptible way. You'll no longer have to be careful opening the car door in the garage or holding the door from hitting the wall as you get in and out.
Need a range test with 21" wheels on the Model Y, so I have a good idea of how my range will look when I drive from LA to Phoenix in a couple of months =)
Stuck between LR vs Performace!! I drive 100-150 miles for my daily commute. Do you think the Performance 21" Ubertarbine wheels will wear out sooner than the 20" Induction wheels? Let me know if you have a video on this topic. All your vids are amazing. Thanks and keep them coming!!
I think you meant tires wearing out not wheels. Since he didn’t respond to your question, I will let you know my experience on the 21 inch wheels and tires on my 2012 Y performance with 21000 miles in 10 months. So far, with normal driving in city and highway driving ( traveling from Orlando to Miami every 3 weeks) the tread depth on the front tires are at 9/32 inch which looks new and the back tires are at 3/32 inch which now needs replacing . The back tires apparently wear out faster. Price on tire rack was 940 dollars ( two back tires) shipped to my home and Tesla service will charge 55 dollars per tire to mount and balance. My plan is to switch to 19 inch wheels in the future after all 4 tires wear down, hopefully at 20,000 plus miles. As a result, I can get a full set of 19 inch tires for around 1200 dollars. Much cheaper to replace. I hope this answered your question.
@@rickeybarnes6471 Thank you very much for your respone. It seems like a recurring expense with the 21" tires around 20000 miles which I am sure I will reach in about 10 months max. Better to stick to LR with induction wheels for now. Thanks again.
Drive in chill mode? 21 to 20 inch wheels will only gain 1 mile at most. The problem with Tesla wheels are super heavy and creat drag. Get yourself some light forged wheels and see the difference in weight. Extra cost is the issue. 21 inch tire cost more than 20 inch tire. If you worried about tires. Then my friend Tesla is not a car for you. Tesla mosey y weighs about 5300 lbs vs normal ice Prius weighs under 3k lbs ans gives 58 mpg. I have both. Just received my MYP and keeping my 21’s turbines and probably get a forged wheel set later. You can buy cheaper tires, but read the load capabilities and capacity.
Best wheels are 18", opens up possibility for a massively increased number of available tire options, for snow/rain/at/normal all season. Also smaller wheels lowers overall rotational mass if you find high quality forged lightweight aftermarket wheels. Finally the smaller wheels are superior because you can run tires with similar OD, but larger sidewalls, which improves suspension small and large bump compliance, and overall ride quality. If you aren't racing or doing track runs, get smaller wheels.
Great video. Keep them coming. I've learned a lot, and laughed a fair amount too. I wonder how my winter tires would fair out. Probably not too well. Microphone recommendation - Rode Wireless Go Mic with a dead-cat. I think I saw you using one in another video when you were on the street asking preference between the Ford and Tesla. It attaches to you so it shouldn't be affected by car movement, and the dead-cat should deal with a fair amount of the background noise.
Enjoy your videos very much! Keep up the good work! I live in Gilbert and am retired so has time to assist you with your videos if you ever find yourself shorthanded. I wouldn’t require compensation, just looking for something to do, Tesla related. I have a model Y and a model 3 so I am very familiar with the product.
I know this is terribly pedantic, but since these types of videos are pretty influential, it's important to look into the difference between wheel covers, hub caps, and hubs, and use the three terms correctly as they are not interchangeable.
Differences in ride quality may be more noticeable on roads of lesser quality. The condition of freeways here in the valley are the best I've ever driven. APS non-peak rates are also very low in comparison to other providers. By the way, I ordered a MYLR with the Gemini wheels. But was considering upgrading to the 20s. I think I'll stick with the 19s. Thank you for your effort in putting together this test.
Would’ve been better to have 3 sample runs for each wheel combo but that’s time consuming on your end. Also mi/kwh is more like mpg and you can better estimate your true range with that. On my MYLR with 20” wheels lifetime avg energy is 314 wh/mi or 3.19 mi/kwh. So my true range is 3.19 mi X 78 kwh battery capacity = 249 miles based on my lead foot. On a few 1000 mile trips I’ve driven, averaging 75-85 mph on the highways, I’m down to 10% charge after 200 miles from 100% charge. So probably about 225 miles range at 80 mph average speed. Good test but the 4 kwh difference (40%) between the 19” and 20” may be an anomaly because of single test runs. Thank you.
A agree 40% drop seems way higher than what their website states. That doesn't math for me. That means us 20 inchers would go from a 330 mile range to a 198 mile range?!?
Would you please use your iPhone or iWatch next time to measure the sound intensity in decibels. It is a good way to objectively measure ride quality of the tires you tested. A 3dB difference is a doubling of the sound.
My understanding is that the recommended tire pressure is the cold tire pressure--and that is all there is to it. The psi your tires will reach while driving will vary based on many things. If it is 90 degrees outside and you are driving it hard on a race course the pressure will rise quite a bit. If it is 65 degrees outside and you are easing around town--then the tire pressure is not going to rise that much. But it is not the driver's problem to try to micro-manage it. I imagine that when your tire's psi rises while driving that the actual tire rolling resistance reduces and increase your range efficiency. You would have to apply artificial intelligence to try to micromanage your tire pressure as you are trying to do. Cold tire psi of 42 rising to 44 psi while driving may improve your range.
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I'm getting wheels from a co (don't remember name off hand) that has a replica of the 21" performance wheel in 19".....style plus ride comfort and efficiency.
A question..has anyone got an extra spare tire on their tesla in case of any flat tires? N if they did, did they got the same size as their tires or a small donut?
I had a 2018 Model 3 performance it rode hard, got a 2019 stealth performance with 19’s and I loved it. Have a Model Y Performance with 21’s and they suck. 20’s are better. Model X plaid on order August delivery … Paid for by drip !
@@Gjeebs I thought so, but thanks for clarifying that. Now you know someone is paying attention to your videos. Enjoy watching, I just bought a 2024 X and I love its features.
Or should i look at it like this. 235wh/253wh = 20s are 92.8% as effecient? That would more closely match their website? Otherwise its 10kwh/14kwh which makes the 20s 71.4% as effecient as the 19?
What does the car call for, 38 psi or 42 psi? You're not supposed to guess at what the temp will be once it gets warm or whatever. Most temps are taken at "cold." That is a major mistake there when testing tires. So it sounds like tires are NOT at the proper pressure.
I switched from 19" geminis to 19" Tsportline TSTs. I noted a significant drop in efficiency which I attribute partially to the different rim but mainly to a switch from the stock continentals to Michelin Pilot Sport AS 4s. I know it's entirely impractical, but I think this test would have been more apples to apples if the tires were the same between the 19s and 20s.
But they don't come with the same tyres from Tesla. Isn't this more relatable to the buyers as these are the tyres they'll receive with the car as optioned? I doubt most folks run out to buy a new set of tyres right after they purchase a car.
Nice test. Side note - the tire pressure should be matched to specs when the tires are cold, not warm. You stated you started at 38 psi with the goal to hit the factory recommended 42 when warm. You should be starting at 42 psi cold. Yes, they will rise to ~45 psi warm but that is not an issue.
It was kind of hard to listen to the rest after he started talking about the cold tire pressure.
Yeah but what if the person lives somewhere that doesn't get cold?
@@gregthesplintercell "cold" for purposes of tires is ambient temperature. If you start off below the cold pressure on the door, you are giving up range/performance from minute 0.
I start most days with your videos. I turn 70 this year we had budgeted enough money for me to get a new Corvette. But decided to check out the Teslas. We drive from our house at the lake to Tulsa for my wife to watch our new grand daughter and I go across the street to help my 90 year old Mom. A Tesla would have to be a better car for this. 67 miles one way. Thanks
If 42psi is recommended it should be 42psi on cold tiers. 38psi is to low and less efficient. Liked the video, keep up the good work.
42 Cold is not good while driving through the Desert to Las Vegas where temps are in the 100’s at 42 Cold with my Model Y I see 50 PSI when it’s that hot and have to pull over to let some air out. So now I start at 38 and see a safer 46.
@@fredsmodel3n192 from the model Y owners manual: “Do not let air out of warm tires in an attempt to match recommended cold tire pressures. A hot tire at or below the recommended cold tire inflation pressure is dangerously under-inflated.”
@@joshlemons3662 Thank you Josh, I will just keep it at 40 when I start a trip when temps are extremely higher, good to know. Fred
@@fredsmodel3n192 I've run 50psi cold in all my vehicles for years for the most mileage. 50pi is way below the tires burst rating.
@@Resist4 whats max psi for your tires, are they truck tires?? most sedan tires max psi is 50
I ordered mine with the 19s but a triple black Y came available and it had 20s and my sales advisor offered it to me. I took it. And I love them. I know it’s a little rougher ride but they look awesome. Especially on triple black and I get compliments on the wheels more than the car
First time seeing this Premieres at feature… pretty neat. Looking forward to the vid Gjeebs!
An advantage of the 19's is you are less likely cut the sidewall hitting a curb or debris. With no spare on a long trip that is significant. If you look at race cars they all employ lots of sidewall for performance.
I've been subbed for a year now. Love the content. Don't give up.
Factory PSI is 42 COLD, they will increase as you drive and that’s ok. Mine climb to over 45 in the summer. I’m replacing the 21” Uberturbines with some 18s from TSportLine next week. I have driven my new PMY to 2500 miles in less than a month. Gonna measure efficiency and performance between them. Can’t wait to see the results.
How did that change go? Was it worth it for efficiency and ride comfort?
Any updates on that?
This video is old but I just want to comment on this thread. I have 2019 Model 3 Performance. Five years of ownership and multiple popped sidewall, cracked wheels, I switched to 18x9.5 Apex EC7 flow formed wheels with 255/45r18. Yes wider wheels and tires but minus two configuration with taller sidewall. This saved 6lbs of weight per setup. The ride is so much better. You can still feel the road but now it is like a reminder instead of a jolt. Car still grips like glue. Best of all, I went from 275 to 260 Wh/mile. Not bad considering it is a wider tread tire. The pressure is 42 cold.
Great video. Just a quick safety point, when changing a tire please be sure to not have any body parts under the car just in case that jack fails. Don’t want to see you get hurt!!
I’m located dead in between NYC and Boston. Boston is the king of potholes. They win. For sure. Rhode Island as well.
Thanks a lot for taking time to run all these tests!
I have a 2021 Model Y Performance and I went with 295/35/21 all season in the back and 275/35/21 in the front and I lost a couple of miles, but I gained a lot on comfort and peace of mind on the rims. The tires look so much better on the rims now
What tires did you go with? Was thinking of doing something similar
@@brianlclayton Michelin sport all season. It was recommended by a technician at Tesla as the ones on them now are overstretched. Do you agree? You will notice more rim protection as well
@@tmorcos21 yes, I agree. Nice that there are some all season options.
@@brianlclayton I agree with you, there are no winter tires for that size wheels, but I don’t have to worry about it in Southern California and all season should be sufficient in my local ski resorts
@@brianlclayton You can check out a RUclipsr by the name Tommy L Garage, video date is 12/1/21. In there he did what I did for reference
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The best combination is just to get the 19" tires (tesla spec continentals) and get a nice looking set of wheels from T-sportline (really great looking black / sporty look). You get the best comfort / range and also really great looks. I do this on my Performance Model Y and I get the same range as a LR Model Y, with sporty looks..
@@thedude7315 not a dumb question! It actually fits with no clearance issues on the performance brakes (19" tesla wheels), or in my case, the 19" t-sportlines made for this car. Unlike the Model 3, where you can't fit the smallest wheels on the performance version (brake issues).
Just ordered a MYP. Can you give the link for those wheels?
Dude forgot to put wheel caps on one side and drove. But the kicker is if we unsub for that he'd understand. You earned a sub for being funny.
what a marvelous video.....APPRECIATE IT!!!!!
Great video. Its great to see real world applications.thanx for your work on this test.
Glad you liked it!
The halodisc's are not meant for range just FYI. They're more actually meant for performance and brake cooling. They're not meant to give you a better range. They're meant to provide more airflow like a fan towards the brakes for high speed braking, which is an even better benefit to have for a small cost.
Very interesting test. Changing my order right now.
Thanks for doing this video! 🙌🏼 ordered on the 1st and you reinforced my decision.
@Gjeebs never put your feet under the car while it's jacked up. It if slips or falls off the jack-pucks well you know the rest....
Always a pleasure to watch your vids. I actually logged on now to get the matter of cold tyre pressures straight but another fan has it covered. So I can only agree; all tyre pressure refer to cold and consequently it can be difficult to accurately check your tyres when they are hot. Of course I know it was a deliberate mistake just to check we are concentrating. Take care and keep them coming.🙂
Thanks for sharing. Really appreciate your effort and time put into something very few individuals would not only do but painstakingly post. Kudos brother!
Nice video. Doing the work! I’m sure speed and/or wind speed has a lot to do with efficiency. Having bicycle toured a lot, I can tell you 100 miles into the wind, even a 5 mph wind, makes a huge energy difference. News and testing is great, but entertainment factor is going to push you up to 100K faster than anything. Some day I will get a Tesla too. Looks like it will be 10 or 11 months since ordering before I get one. I went with LR white on white and 20 inch wheels. I can’t wait to join you.
I’m excited for you to join the cult!!! You will probably get the new battery which is awesome
yes, you know about how wind changes your efficiency when you are a bike rider ;) I have the Model Y black with the 20 in induction wheels. they look awesome.. maybe the best looking Tesla production wheel.. I am not a fan of the performance Uberturbines.
Where’d you get those Halo disc’s? Sorry, but they look like they’re made by Fisher-Price or Mattel. 😀
If I get a LR Model Y with 19 inch Gemini wheels, I may consider getting lighter weight wheels to reduce the unsprung weight and lower the inertia to increase the car's range--and probably improve the acceleration as well.
The discs are more important than weight for range. There are no other 19 wheels that beat Gemini with discs for range. Aerodynamics is more important than weight.
Rec is 42 cold
I would just cut the middle man and go 50 cold.
I just ordered the Laminar black Rimetrix wheel covers for my MYLR and looking forward to putting them on! I anguished over the Gemini/Induction wheel decision for months, but ultimately went with Gemini for the cost and performance advantages even though I love the look of the Induction wheels. The Rimetrix wheel covers should give me the best of both worlds! Love the channel, Gjeebs!
I’ve seen those out they look good too. Thanks for the support!
Same here. Just ordered the laminars and was pleasantly surprised that they sent shipping info within a day. Should get here next week and I can't wait. Also, I agree that this is a great channel. Gjeebs is the best!
Same here.
do you have a referral code by any chance? you got me to order so i wanna help out if possible
Gjeebs was my first for focus st content then i found cameron and carmaspeed last i found Ben Lovrien for his st content. Blowing my mind to see all of you collaborating. I think you 3 might have stumbled upon a youtube gem. Can't think of other channels i watch that are doing this. Keep it up guys 🤘👍👍
Great video, thanks! We bought the 20" for our MY DMLR simply for the looks - well, and at the time, estimated delivery dates for the car with 19" were 6 months longer! I believe the 19"s would be more efficient, and probably quieter/smoother as you said, but I can't get over the look of the 20"s. Also, it seems like to get the 19"s, we'd need to enhance the look with Gemini aero caps are not available on Tesla's site. We live in Europe and I don't know about the aftermarket product sites here enough to trust them. If anyone knows some good ones, please advise.
You can Cameron need to do some more collaborations! Super interesting video on range indeed!
So there was a release of what Tesla called the comfort suspension for the Y in October it's not clear if you where reviewing one
of those . I suspect not.
"damn baby what yo watt hours is" 🤣 I love it here.
I really enjoy your videos very informative and funny, you crack me up. I am going to get a model y for my wife in the very near future and your information is helping me make the right choices for the car.
Glad to hear that! Doing a road trip right now so more helpful content on the way!
The recommend tire pressure of 42psi should be when the tires are cold. After driving for a bit and the tires warm up, the pressure will increase to 45-46psi.
OEM recommended tire pressure is ALWAYS cold. ie not driving on the tires for ~8 hours. You should know better if you're doing a tire video.
Real-world range difference between 20's and 19's = 3.1 miles. I went with the 20s too.
the 18"'s are better for not only mileage but with more beef, from the tread to the rim, you get some protection should you run into a pothole. Plus beefier tires just look better. But then again I grew up in the 70's muscle car era and beefy tires were the norm.
Great review & enjoyed the humour a lot. Keep up the great work.
Great video. Thanks
isn’t the 42 psi the cold-temperature pressure?
Was going to say the same thing. I aim for 40-42 cold
yes it is....as soon as he said 38 and that'll warm up to the recommended 42, I was like, welp there goes the comparison. 🤦🏻♂️
@@kentgabriel3572 like I wrote in another post, 42 Cold will swell up to 50 PSI hot while driving through the desert heading to Las Vegas in my Model 3 and Model Y. , so like Gjeebs I start out at 38 and see 46 when Hot.
@@fredsmodel3n192 the tire pressure is meant to be set cold and not changed. The tire is designed to withstand the increase in pressure from driving and hot temperature. For example, all the tires that are used in Teslas have a max rated cold pressure of 51 or 50. That means that you can safely set the tire pressure to 51 or 50 (whichever it says on the sidewall) "cold", which means after the car has sat for a while; and you don't have to worry about the tire pressure even if you will drive it in a hot desert. As a rule of thumb, tire pressure changes by 1 PSI for every 10°F change. Of course, you don't want to set your tire to 50 PSI at 0°F and then drive it in a desert that's at 110°F. But for the Tesla, set the tires at the recommended 42 PSI cold and forget about it.
You dummies. He does this on purpose so you comment and he can game the RUclips algorithm.
I ended up going with the 19 inch wheels.. LOVE the induction wheels but too antsy about the risk of cracks and curb rash... not to mention the range reduction. I kinda like the Gemini wheels anyways ;)
I love the look of the black on the inductions but would prefer the 19s for efficiency and cost savings. What is your recommendation for adding a cover to the 19s to turn them black?
Recommended tire pressue is cold. You should set your tires to 42psi cold.
Yeah tire pressures on door jam are to be set when cold not warm up to those pressures. Maybe net a litte better range if set properly.
I currently have 20" Inductions and I really want to soften the ride. If 19" feels better, would 18" feel even better than that? Which is a better investment for ride quality: wheels/tires or luxury coilovers?
I would say the better option is the wheels because they will improve your ride quality AND give you better range. Suspension will only improve your ride quality
I had the same question. I have the 20s but ride is rough. UK roads are not made for this car. I don’t like 19s. Need to find out if I can put higher wall tyres on the 20s. Should be enough space if the Performance can hold 21s.
@@Gillacticomusic Can't you order a 19" set of a different colour? Perhaps black, to get both comfort and a good look?
Just found this, love it!!!
Thanks for the video. Can I make a recommendation? Get some garage wall guards!!! The $15-20 product will change your life in a small but perceptible way. You'll no longer have to be careful opening the car door in the garage or holding the door from hitting the wall as you get in and out.
Need a range test with 21" wheels on the Model Y, so I have a good idea of how my range will look when I drive from LA to Phoenix in a couple of months =)
I actually subscribed because of the idiocracy with the half hub caps! Hooked on phonics worked for me! (still love the content bro) 😆🤣
The video states what we already know from Tesla. Smaller wheels more efficient
@1:00 ........ "And then you scratch the sh*t out of it." 😆
What a great info!
Stuck between LR vs Performace!! I drive 100-150 miles for my daily commute. Do you think the Performance 21" Ubertarbine wheels will wear out sooner than the 20" Induction wheels? Let me know if you have a video on this topic. All your vids are amazing. Thanks and keep them coming!!
I think you meant tires wearing out not wheels. Since he didn’t respond to your question, I will let you know my experience on the 21 inch wheels and tires on my 2012 Y performance with 21000 miles in 10 months. So far, with normal driving in city and highway driving ( traveling from Orlando to Miami every 3 weeks) the tread depth on the front tires are at 9/32 inch which looks new and the back tires are at 3/32 inch which now needs replacing . The back tires apparently wear out faster. Price on tire rack was 940 dollars ( two back tires) shipped to my home and Tesla service will charge 55 dollars per tire to mount and balance. My plan is to switch to 19 inch wheels in the future after all 4 tires wear down, hopefully at 20,000 plus miles. As a result, I can get a full set of 19 inch tires for around 1200 dollars. Much cheaper to replace. I hope this answered your question.
@@rickeybarnes6471 Thank you very much for your respone. It seems like a recurring expense with the 21" tires around 20000 miles which I am sure I will reach in about 10 months max. Better to stick to LR with induction wheels for now. Thanks again.
Drive in chill mode? 21 to 20 inch wheels will only gain 1 mile at most. The problem with Tesla wheels are super heavy and creat drag. Get yourself some light forged wheels and see the difference in weight. Extra cost is the issue. 21 inch tire cost more than 20 inch tire. If you worried about tires. Then my friend Tesla is not a car for you. Tesla mosey y weighs about 5300 lbs vs normal ice Prius weighs under 3k lbs ans gives 58 mpg. I have both. Just received my MYP and keeping my 21’s turbines and probably get a forged wheel set later. You can buy cheaper tires, but read the load capabilities and capacity.
Best wheels are 18", opens up possibility for a massively increased number of available tire options, for snow/rain/at/normal all season. Also smaller wheels lowers overall rotational mass if you find high quality forged lightweight aftermarket wheels. Finally the smaller wheels are superior because you can run tires with similar OD, but larger sidewalls, which improves suspension small and large bump compliance, and overall ride quality.
If you aren't racing or doing track runs, get smaller wheels.
0:21 - Going to see which one I like best. 10 seconds later - so I'm selling these wheels... hahaha
Weird to run the car faster than the speed limit to check it's efficiency. Shouldn't the aero wheel and covers not be optimized for lower speeds?
That Widebody GC!
A $15 can of black spray paint makes the stock 19" Gemini caps look pretty nice while keeping all the comfort and range.
Great video. Keep them coming. I've learned a lot, and laughed a fair amount too. I wonder how my winter tires would fair out. Probably not too well.
Microphone recommendation - Rode Wireless Go Mic with a dead-cat. I think I saw you using one in another video when you were on the street asking preference between the Ford and Tesla. It attaches to you so it shouldn't be affected by car movement, and the dead-cat should deal with a fair amount of the background noise.
Enjoy your videos very much! Keep up the good work! I live in Gilbert and am retired so has time to assist you with your videos if you ever find yourself shorthanded. I wouldn’t require compensation, just looking for something to do, Tesla related. I have a model Y and a model 3 so I am very familiar with the product.
Geminis are the best! I have mine powder coated in dark grey
Yea that would look sweet
Powder coat matte Black here. They are solid
I know this is terribly pedantic, but since these types of videos are pretty influential, it's important to look into the difference between wheel covers, hub caps, and hubs, and use the three terms correctly as they are not interchangeable.
Ok I have long range Y and it black and factory cover stick out ,I like to find a good aero cover in black I’m 71 but still a good look
Martian forged wheels are the best for strength and they look great. Made in USA Colorado.
Love the comparison. I have the 19s naked with finishing set. Want the 20s soon for the look as well. But 19s don't look terrible.
Nude 19"s are a good look
Next up, 19s in the front and 20s in the rear. (Great vid though, thanks. I’m sticking with 20” ‘cause they just look better.)
"This is the most Tesla thing I've ever seen in a while." Wise words from a wise man.
“They include this handy tool, then you just… scratch the shit out of it” hilarious
Recommend a tire pressure is from cold not from like your doing . New guy
Differences in ride quality may be more noticeable on roads of lesser quality. The condition of freeways here in the valley are the best I've ever driven. APS non-peak rates are also very low in comparison to other providers. By the way, I ordered a MYLR with the Gemini wheels. But was considering upgrading to the 20s. I think I'll stick with the 19s. Thank you for your effort in putting together this test.
Gjeebs, you're human! Laughing with you on the 'half wheel cover'. At least you put 20's on all four corners. Enjoy your down to earth content!!
Golf shirt matching with the masters banner was a beautiful touch. Artistry at its finest
Like please this took me days 😂
Earned it
Would’ve been better to have 3 sample runs for each wheel combo but that’s time consuming on your end. Also mi/kwh is more like mpg and you can better estimate your true range with that. On my MYLR with 20” wheels lifetime avg energy is 314 wh/mi or 3.19 mi/kwh. So my true range is 3.19 mi X 78 kwh battery capacity = 249 miles based on my lead foot. On a few 1000 mile trips I’ve driven, averaging 75-85 mph on the highways, I’m down to 10% charge after 200 miles from 100% charge. So probably about 225 miles range at 80 mph average speed.
Good test but the 4 kwh difference (40%) between the 19” and 20” may be an anomaly because of single test runs. Thank you.
agree. 4kwh on that lap is joke, math fail for thw win
A agree 40% drop seems way higher than what their website states. That doesn't math for me.
That means us 20 inchers would go from a 330 mile range to a 198 mile range?!?
You could use a wireless mic that clips on to the collar of your shirt.
I hoped to see compare to 18"
Would you please use your iPhone or iWatch next time to measure the sound intensity in decibels. It is a good way to objectively measure ride quality of the tires you tested. A 3dB difference is a doubling of the sound.
I love special videos!
My understanding is that the recommended tire pressure is the cold tire pressure--and that is all there is to it. The psi your tires will reach while driving will vary based on many things. If it is 90 degrees outside and you are driving it hard on a race course the pressure will rise quite a bit. If it is 65 degrees outside and you are easing around town--then the tire pressure is not going to rise that much. But it is not the driver's problem to try to micro-manage it. I imagine that when your tire's psi rises while driving that the actual tire rolling resistance reduces and increase your range efficiency. You would have to apply artificial intelligence to try to micromanage your tire pressure as you are trying to do. Cold tire psi of 42 rising to 44 psi while driving may improve your range.
Rode Go 2 are great microphones 😉 thanks for the videos !
Where is the link for the air compressor drill set?!
Tip 101 professional
Loosen with wrench before using impact don t damage your nuts
Same to tension final torque hand wrench. Hey but your things your stuff
I'm getting wheels from a co (don't remember name off hand) that has a replica of the 21" performance wheel in 19".....style plus ride comfort and efficiency.
You say the epa results require 279 wh/mi, but uncovered Gemini got 235 wh/mi? Do you maybe mean 335?
A question..has anyone got an extra spare tire on their tesla in case of any flat tires? N if they did, did they got the same size as their tires or a small donut?
Rode Wireless Go 2
im a videographer and recommend that system! lets u record into the camera but also externally
Great Video, my question is , do Gemini rims fit on the Model Y performance?
How do you fit the 19" Gemini wheels when the performance model has massive calipers?
I had a 2018 Model 3 performance it rode hard, got a 2019 stealth performance with 19’s and I loved it. Have a Model Y Performance with 21’s and they suck. 20’s are better. Model X plaid on order August delivery … Paid for by drip !
I saw another video where you set the same air compressor to stop at 42 psi. Is 38 something new, like your videos.
It needs to be 42. Setting to 38 was a mistake but also not a big deal in the end
@@Gjeebs
I thought so, but thanks for clarifying that. Now you know someone is paying attention to your videos. Enjoy watching, I just bought a 2024 X and I love its features.
If they had these in solid black I probably would order them
Or should i look at it like this. 235wh/253wh = 20s are 92.8% as effecient? That would more closely match their website?
Otherwise its 10kwh/14kwh which makes the 20s 71.4% as effecient as the 19?
As I have the Inductions in my garage ready for spring this will be ....stressful.
Would 18s give you more comfort and more range?
What does the car call for, 38 psi or 42 psi? You're not supposed to guess at what the temp will be once it gets warm or whatever. Most temps are taken at "cold." That is a major mistake there when testing tires. So it sounds like tires are NOT at the proper pressure.
Halo disc is really cool!
I subscrubed because you left in the mistake. Keep up the content.
Haha thank you
I switched from 19" geminis to 19" Tsportline TSTs. I noted a significant drop in efficiency which I attribute partially to the different rim but mainly to a switch from the stock continentals to Michelin Pilot Sport AS 4s. I know it's entirely impractical, but I think this test would have been more apples to apples if the tires were the same between the 19s and 20s.
But they don't come with the same tyres from Tesla. Isn't this more relatable to the buyers as these are the tyres they'll receive with the car as optioned? I doubt most folks run out to buy a new set of tyres right after they purchase a car.
I would appreciate links for your excellent music choices.
Everything I use is from the RUclips audio library so it’s royalty free. I’ll try and remember to put them in descriptions
Go with a Jaco digital tire gauge.
Love the channel, love the content, love the humor, despise the HaloDisc look.