@Fc Jd You're right, but not including Wobbling brawl ICs were much better than Melee ICs and thats the connection I made to Steve. Melee ICs minus wobbling
Yep. Timings a little tight because u have to place the block perfectly so that u land on it the exact frame it comes out rather than place it, then fall on it.
@@leukashot123 He has no neutral. His only options are: Neutral b Grab Side b Dash attack Most of these can be jumped over and his aerials are quite slow so you can’t toss these out in neutral. Not to mention his aerials get easily outspaced. Izaw Smash goes over this in more depth.
He mentioned it on twitch the other day, he disagrees and thinks steve is high tier. He said the matchup spread was very polarizing, but didn't go much further than that
@@diegomonroy529 word, I had a feeling he'd disagree. I think their both right in their own ways. I guess we're just gunna have to wait for tournaments to come back in order to truly find out
I kinda fall in the middle and think steve is gonna be a feast or famine character. When he wins he wins hard and we he's losing it's bad, but I do feel match-up knowledge/experience is gonna be a very important factor with this characters match-ups so it's a wait and see type of situation. Its also the first time a character is releasing in a purely wifi setting so the 7~8 frames of input delay could be very relevant
@@unidentified4122 I think the problem is that Steve is terrible on Wifi. his inability to do combos consistently online will really hurt him. While prijectiles are hard to react to, his combo game is super easy to counter online.
I’m so glad someone did what I said... I was telling everyone possible about this and you explained everything I thought to optimal finishers etc. You can also get the combo off of a side b and d-tilt, even if you don’t get the d-tilt to get the loop it true combos into d-throw.
Ive been maining steve since his relases and i just now realised how good lylat is for steve, the slopes on lylat help minecart gain speed, obviously you get mad iron, which helps with micecart and early anvil kills, slopes and the plats help steve gain materials, and finnaly the fact you get diaomnd so soon is actualy insane
Lylat is easily Steve’s worst stage. You em get no filler blocks and the iron takes longer to mine even tho you technically need less blocks until diamond, the amount of time it takes to mine is actually more than a normal stage. Also Steve’s best setups become impossible o lylat like the GIMR ledge trap and a lot of Steve’s combos are harder or impossible.
I wonder if there is a way to land with elytra with less ending lag if you land at a certain angle. If you can then you can do follow ups out of those lagless landings.
@@seabassio7126short hop cancel elytra into up b is a kill confirm at high percents! you can also do it into up title at lower percents. It’s surprisingly versatile
What about down throw, down tilt, re grab, down throw into fair off stage? I've gotten it on a ricter as a 0 to death with a diamond and its pretty easy.
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I found a funny anti-Steve tech. If they’re trying to craft, you can push Steve away from his crafting table. It doesn’t do anything other than prevent him from crafting but it’s funny BM.
@@sinteleon if you're far enough from the thing you have a menu for (chests, furnaces, crafting tables), you do get kicked from the menu so it is true to minecraft.
I watched this video after Izaw's video saying Steve might be the worse character in the game. I already thought he was crazy and now i think that take is even more bs.
People are so sick of overhyping dlc characters, now they look at only the weaknesses. Yeah sure, hero can instakill you, but hes slow and he has no oos. Yeah sure, steve needs materials, but he gets them so fast and he has amazing frame data. Its the opposite of the dlc effect imo.
@@seabassio7126 "hero has no oos" bruh whoosh is frame 7 and can lead to kill confirms on some stages lol. It's almost as spamable has cloud's up b honestly
@@seabassio7126 Say whatever u want to me, but no character capable of doing even a fraction of ehat steve can do can't be called the worst of the game or one of them. He us mid tier at the very worst
@@seabassio7126 and... hero and bad oos? I mean his up b is no game and watch up b or charizard up smash but is frame 7, so if you are not cloud or bowser you have bad oos then
I‘m always confused when m2k mentions sdi I thought there is no smash di as in melee to get out of multihit combos I thought there was just regular di in this game am I wrong or what am I missing?😅
sdi is in this game as well it is not as common because it isn't as helpful for getting out of most combos it was very common in melee cause it was the best way to get out of combos and to survive and in sm4sh since bayo was a thing sdi became crucial to survive bayo in this game you can sdi out of things like jabs and such and after 11 hits sdi gets a boost to power which is how these combos are able to be broken
@@rebelredshirt_2188 SDI is Smash Directional Influence, which is basically combo DI. Basically if you hold out while getting hit by a move like PK Fire, you can get out quicker than if you were not holding any direction.
@@HalfHeartHero me neither but I like these type of challenges x) Hardcore with no food, or starting in the nether, or half a heart... Makes the early game so much more interesting
The biggest issues with Steve that I believe will be patched, is the fact that his fair spike does not send you into tumble on stage at mid percents and the direction on his downsmash (that you can true combo into) is just rude. Best down smash in the game by far. The fact that spike fair is an untechable spike onstage because it doesn't send you into tumble is laughable. Nerf Steve, we don't need characters that breaks all normal smash laws for their combos to work. Not to mention SDI literally only works if you are caught in air or a light character, and if you get caught trying to sdi out.. just buffer SH fair, rinse and repeat. So dumb.
@@TheRealHelvetica those are probably the same glue eaters who all main him and can't figure him out even though he's as simple as push forward and A to combo, then jump to spike them off stage...
People not wanting to learn SDI is so true. I think Smash 4 Bayo was overrated cause people didn't SDI, I almost never got killed by a Bayo combo once I learned it. Obviously a top level Bayo can read SDI and possibly still get a kill but definitely not always. I think Diddy was maybe better than her. Seriously people learn SDI it isn't even that hard.
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Thank you Mew2 you’re awesome
@@jake3938 ty
thank you mew2king, very cool!
@Mew2King are u going to create a list for each character and this combos variations?
When Bayonetta breaks the meta, its annoying
When Steve breaks the meta, its funny
@@mscmrdx6826 true
7:25 You can hear when M2K starts rocking in his chair because of the volume of the audio lol
Lmao I hear it
Oml you're right
So we have another luigi, that’s fun
More like Melee ICs minus wobbling
@Fc Jd Thats why I think melee ICs is the best analogy.
Luigi has a minus 2 dtilt and quite safe aerials, steve doesn't have that aside from his uptilt and arguably jab
@Fc Jd You're right, but not including Wobbling brawl ICs were much better than Melee ICs and thats the connection I made to Steve. Melee ICs minus wobbling
I still can't believe that Steve is in smash and that they chose this character so many months ago
5 years ago*
That's how long Steve was in the talks to be in smash.
Jesus Christ.
You can also finish the combo with u-tilt IDJ u-air block u-smash, which hits/kills most of the cast and true combos out of the pick loops
Yep. Timings a little tight because u have to place the block perfectly so that u land on it the exact frame it comes out rather than place it, then fall on it.
Still combo is SDi able
The steve masters are gonna be such an obstacle in brackets later on
No they’re not
@@GhxxlZz yeah
Steve will be nerfed long before brackets are a thing again.
@@Skapes11238 he won’t.
@@GhxxlZz Thought your name was コロナCorona lol
Why would you do this... This character does not need help being broken xD lol. JK love you guys. So glad Salem is back
Steve is not good.
@@HD-nb7kw wrong
@@leukashot123 No no he’s right.
@@Dr.D.R. how
@@leukashot123 He has no neutral. His only options are:
Neutral b
Grab
Side b
Dash attack
Most of these can be jumped over and his aerials are quite slow so you can’t toss these out in neutral. Not to mention his aerials get easily outspaced. Izaw Smash goes over this in more depth.
how do you feel about Izaw's take on Steve in competitive play?
He mentioned it on twitch the other day, he disagrees and thinks steve is high tier. He said the matchup spread was very polarizing, but didn't go much further than that
@@diegomonroy529 word, I had a feeling he'd disagree. I think their both right in their own ways. I guess we're just gunna have to wait for tournaments to come back in order to truly find out
I kinda fall in the middle and think steve is gonna be a feast or famine character. When he wins he wins hard and we he's losing it's bad, but I do feel match-up knowledge/experience is gonna be a very important factor with this characters match-ups so it's a wait and see type of situation. Its also the first time a character is releasing in a purely wifi setting so the 7~8 frames of input delay could be very relevant
@@unidentified4122 I think the problem is that Steve is terrible on Wifi. his inability to do combos consistently online will really hurt him. While prijectiles are hard to react to, his combo game is super easy to counter online.
@@aidanshim7606 true but his projectile is his entire neutral.
I’m so glad someone did what I said... I was telling everyone possible about this and you explained everything I thought to optimal finishers etc. You can also get the combo off of a side b and d-tilt, even if you don’t get the d-tilt to get the loop it true combos into d-throw.
Ive been maining steve since his relases and i just now realised how good lylat is for steve, the slopes on lylat help minecart gain speed, obviously you get mad iron, which helps with micecart and early anvil kills, slopes and the plats help steve gain materials, and finnaly the fact you get diaomnd so soon is actualy insane
Lyla is the best stage for Steve by far
Lylat is easily Steve’s worst stage. You em get no filler blocks and the iron takes longer to mine even tho you technically need less blocks until diamond, the amount of time it takes to mine is actually more than a normal stage. Also Steve’s best setups become impossible o lylat like the GIMR ledge trap and a lot of Steve’s combos are harder or impossible.
That thumbnail is perfect
I still can't believe they replaced Steve's victory screen with the meat for a new screen where he dabs. Sakurai has fully embraced the meme.
Fishing for wooosh, I see
Here from the discord, will watch later when I have time outside of school work haha. Keep up the great videos though! The YT grind is real.
That Steve combo activated cloud's limit, dang
Imagine steve and villager in doubles
I’d rather not
Hmmm
How do you do down smash on tnt without taking damage?
Buffer airdodge
@@ACESENTAIL thanks
I wonder if there is a way to land with elytra with less ending lag if you land at a certain angle. If you can then you can do follow ups out of those lagless landings.
Yeah, just land on his stomach, you can combo with that
@@seabassio7126short hop cancel elytra into up b is a kill confirm at high percents! you can also do it into up title at lower percents. It’s surprisingly versatile
@@nicksalvatore5717 honestly elytra is an amazing move, just needs to be optimized
Ty for this I needed to be reminded to lab more. I do often just not long enough.
My boy Steve looking fire
What about down throw, down tilt, re grab, down throw into fair off stage? I've gotten it on a ricter as a 0 to death with a diamond and its pretty easy.
where do u think steve is in the ssbu tier list?
Low to mid
We will see him in low high tier pretty soon.
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WTF?!! I'm that falco player at 1:57. How did you get that footage LMAO
I found a funny anti-Steve tech. If they’re trying to craft, you can push Steve away from his crafting table. It doesn’t do anything other than prevent him from crafting but it’s funny BM.
Does this work in base minecraft?
@@sinteleon if you're far enough from the thing you have a menu for (chests, furnaces, crafting tables), you do get kicked from the menu so it is true to minecraft.
M2K I am very pleased and I do appreciate giving Steve the attention they deserve within this game; we need to show that Steve is on their own tier
Yo, does anyone know the song in the background? It sounds familiar to me but I don't know the name of the song
I watched this video after Izaw's video saying Steve might be the worse character in the game.
I already thought he was crazy and now i think that take is even more bs.
People are so sick of overhyping dlc characters, now they look at only the weaknesses. Yeah sure, hero can instakill you, but hes slow and he has no oos. Yeah sure, steve needs materials, but he gets them so fast and he has amazing frame data. Its the opposite of the dlc effect imo.
@@seabassio7126 "hero has no oos" bruh whoosh is frame 7 and can lead to kill confirms on some stages lol. It's almost as spamable has cloud's up b honestly
@@waifu27 it also has a tiny hitbox and if u whiff it you die. Im also saying that the dlc curse is working in opposite for steve
@@seabassio7126 Say whatever u want to me, but no character capable of doing even a fraction of ehat steve can do can't be called the worst of the game or one of them. He us mid tier at the very worst
@@seabassio7126 and... hero and bad oos? I mean his up b is no game and watch up b or charizard up smash but is frame 7, so if you are not cloud or bowser you have bad oos then
On bigger characters like dk doing dthrow dtilt jab does 9 more percent than dthrow jab jab
What a coincidence, just looked up this channel and found the Steve potential video
I knew steve was an EPIC character since I first saw his gameplay....👌
Oh boy, more
Steve dabbin doe?
Yes more fuel for my main
I‘m always confused when m2k mentions sdi I thought there is no smash di as in melee to get out of multihit combos I thought there was just regular di in this game am I wrong or what am I missing?😅
sdi is in this game as well it is not as common because it isn't as helpful for getting out of most combos it was very common in melee cause it was the best way to get out of combos and to survive and in sm4sh since bayo was a thing sdi became crucial to survive bayo in this game you can sdi out of things like jabs and such and after 11 hits sdi gets a boost to power which is how these combos are able to be broken
Taking these to my local
M2k should get the training mode mod
People don't do SDI that much because--
Get hit by Cool combos are actually very entertaining
Wow...so UpTilt and DThrow are very easy ways to get huge percent
Can you get Salem to vs izaw to see if Steve is best in the game or worst in the game?
Preferably first to 10
Think about diamond pick with wood or gold sword :o
AFAIK pickaxe is not faster regardless of material
More? Dang.
2:34
Is it just me, or does snapback's hero look like Chun Li if not paying attention?
I think it's just you
You are awesome m2king
I feel like after watching this video people are gonna SDI a lot more so they don’t get destroyed by his combos.
What is SDI?
@@rebelredshirt_2188 SDI is Smash Directional Influence, which is basically combo DI. Basically if you hold out while getting hit by a move like PK Fire, you can get out quicker than if you were not holding any direction.
Great video
HalfHeart_Hero, do you play half heart Minecraft ? :D
Nah dude I ain’t nowhere near that good D:
@@HalfHeartHero me neither but I like these type of challenges x)
Hardcore with no food, or starting in the nether, or half a heart... Makes the early game so much more interesting
thats facts
Ok M2K, these combos are crazy and all, but what do we do about Steve's dogshit neutral?
The biggest issues with Steve that I believe will be patched, is the fact that his fair spike does not send you into tumble on stage at mid percents and the direction on his downsmash (that you can true combo into) is just rude. Best down smash in the game by far. The fact that spike fair is an untechable spike onstage because it doesn't send you into tumble is laughable. Nerf Steve, we don't need characters that breaks all normal smash laws for their combos to work. Not to mention SDI literally only works if you are caught in air or a light character, and if you get caught trying to sdi out.. just buffer SH fair, rinse and repeat. So dumb.
*Everyone is here*
@@Bleepbleepblorbus lmao, for better or for worse I suppose.
@@Skapes11238 Well they do call it ultimate for a reason...
According to some people, Steve is the worst character in the game and needs buffs lmao.
@@TheRealHelvetica those are probably the same glue eaters who all main him and can't figure him out even though he's as simple as push forward and A to combo, then jump to spike them off stage...
Any competative mixed martial artist (such as some in the UFC) knows exactly what muscle memory is.
How come your always leaning back in forth in your chair?
No way this character is the worst in the game
Yes way.
He has one of the worst neutrals in the game
@@Dr.D.R. how so?
@@aidanshim7606 No neutral at all just minecart and dash attack
@@Dr.D.R. Doesn't he also have blocks, jab/nair,mining, and other fast tools and camping tool?
"Just SDI" lol
Nerf mew2king
People not wanting to learn SDI is so true. I think Smash 4 Bayo was overrated cause people didn't SDI, I almost never got killed by a Bayo combo once I learned it. Obviously a top level Bayo can read SDI and possibly still get a kill but definitely not always. I think Diddy was maybe better than her. Seriously people learn SDI it isn't even that hard.
O gawd jus stop m2k 😆
First and hi Jason
You ain’t first
The thumbnail is fake...Steve knows dantdm they don't dab.
im so early wtf
Steve’s bad.
Thank you.
@@HD-nb7kw ikr
Steve needs more buffs I agree.
I never understood none of the combos.. he talks to fast and weird.
it takes a bit of a deeper understanding of the game mechanics and terminology used by the community what part did you not understand?