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These Neighbors REFUSE To Set Up An HOA
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- Опубликовано: 30 апр 2023
- I live in one of the only developments I have EVER seen that does NOT have an HOA. The developer never set one up, the community was developed in three phases over the span of about 15 years, and somehow it made it through to the end without ever getting an HOA. That makes it one of the most desirable neighborhoods in my city to live in if you want city amenities (well/sewer/garbage/debris pickup).
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People who have no business running an HOA are always the people who end up running the HOA.
The people who have the abilities to effectively run organizations like HOAs are rarely the same people who have the time and interest to run them. Ergo, the organizations are often somewhat poorly run by people with nothing better to do.
that expands out to EVERY control organisation.every time the people that rise up are the last people you would ever choose to be in that position. petty busybodies with nothing but vitriol in their veins
@@jayschafer1760 Very true, I got signatures to have our Board removed and now I'm the new President and man this is a lot of work more fit for a retiree or something.
Yep, like the maniacal politicians elected.
ESP older people who got nothing better to do. AKA “KARENS” 😂
We specifically told our realtor not to even show us houses if they were in an HOA.
Very very smart decision!
and that’s why we have an HOA. to keep people like y’all who won’t take care of your homes out.
It's a nightmare for a normal person and a Karen's dream.
@@FrozenHaxor My mom's HOA sends her letters (with pictures) of the most petty things
@@kirkmangaming I would send her pictures back with a middle finger, one for each of hers. Literally.
HOA's should be outlawed
Absolutely. How is it legal for a group of people to set up and start telling people how to live and what they can and can't do with THEIR property and home that they OWN???
@@JESUS.saves.Repent.Theoretically they're looking after the neighborhood. They SHOULD be trying to get contractors to build amenities in the neighborhood and seeing if they can get people to help with yardwork. But the people who wind up there have 0 clue how to do that, and start doing the only thing they know.
Controlling people.
So should the government
lol you guys look, HOA isn’t law. People willfully sign over in order to buy a house. if you don’t want HOA, don’t buy a house with one
@@brandonaitken1180 Many times, things get worse over time. A new regime comes in with "New ideas". I wouldn't trust a good situation to always be that way and conversely, a bad situation turning good.
I have told this many times. I had an HOA advise me that they had voted my property into their HOA and that I had 30 days to come into compliance. I sent a response that I was not part of their HOA. 30 days later I started receiving violation notices in my mailbox. I sent a cease and desist letter. A month later, I received a notice of intent to seize my property if I was not in compliance in 10 days. Two weeks later I received notice of a scheduled hearing. At the courthouse, the attorney for the HOA recognized me and asked if I represented the homeowner, and I told him that I was the homeowner. I told him that I was not part of the HOA and they had been advised of that in writing several times. In court, the HOA president told how I had ignored all notices and refused to pay fines. When it was my turn, I asked her how long the property had been a part of the HOA, she gave the date they had voted my property in. I asked her if she had membership documents signed by me. She said "No, you refused so we voted you in" The judge, and their attorney both said HUH ? ? ? I then asked her about putting violation notices in my mailbox and she said that was the only way since I refused to install a notice box at my garage door. I asked her if she realized that putting main in a US mailbox was a federal crime. She said "not in a HOA" I saw their attorney shake his head. The judge asked her how she thought that the HOA could vote someone in without their consent, she said the annexed the property according to their by-laws. I asked the judge for a judgment as a matter of law, and consideration of my counter-claim. The judge said "granted to both, state your counter-claim" I outlined my compensatory damages, and then asked for putative damages in the amount of $5000 per violation notice, and an additional $10,000 for the frivolous case. The judge granted $350,000 in putative damages, and just over $50,000 in actual damages for time, and earnings lost responding and researching their claims. HOA woman said that the HOA could not pay the judgement. I told the judge that I would accept the vacant 20 Acres of association property adjoining my property with the release of HOA claims. The HOA voted the next week to release the property and remove Caren (Yes her name is Caren) as HOA president. I found out that she wanted my property as access to the additional acres the HOA had purchased to build additional homes to sell. Subsequently, the members of the HOA voted to dissolve the HOA as without the additional anticipated acreage income, they could not continue to fulfill the HOA obligations. The entire neighborhood (save a few) is much happier with the HOA gone.
Sounds like it worked out in your favor!
That is an amazing story. HOA's are a disgrace to homeowners. I have not heard ANY good things come from the people I know that live in an HOA.
That is awesome!
Good deal for you man , that’s a nice chunk of land , lots of fun to be had with that
Wow!!! Good for you!!
The HOA sounds like it was started by the hall monitors who left school and still wanted some power over their fellow peers.
Probably way worse than that, considering the history american suburbia has had in general...
It's actually primarily tax fraud that drives them
It's actually worse than that, most of the early ones were made to keep non-whites out.
More commonly they were created to exclude black people and poor white people from neighborhoods
Look up the terms Levittowns had, like never selling to anyone who wasn't white.
HOA's actually have the power to evict you from the house you bought. You got me all the way messed up if you think I'm gonna buy a house with an HOA
That's why they exist, to keep certain kinds of people out of the neighbourhood.
@@Jbs6187 Yeah, so many people here are saying how they would "never be ok with an HOA" while not realising that the HOA is designed to keep people like them away.
@JS61 @homerun443
You are both abhorrent dregs on society
@JS61 who are "those people"? Seems like most people who love HOAs are cowards, bigots and 2-bit tyrants. Not you of course.
They have the power to seize your home and sell it. They've done it before. HOAs are tyrannical horror shows exploited by karens and their ilk to try and lord power over their neighbors.
"Having to do some volunteer yard work is well worth not having an HOA" amen to that brother
Dont ever let your neighborhood set up an HOA! You’re pretty much signing away your rights if you do
If they're starting a new one and you already live there (purchased before the HOA existed), you cannot be forced into it.
@@Duke_Romilar_III yes, they can - happened before - you have no rights anymore if yuo live in the area they want to set it up
@@wolfganghb my friend the lawyer disagrees with you. Sure, they can bluster and bluff and bully, but it doesn't stand up in court, as long as you bought the house before the Karens decided to inflict themselves on a neighborhood.
@@wolfganghbThey can't force you to join the HOA unless it was in place before you bought your property...
But they are wanting to start one that is the perfect time to make sure to limit their power by setting limitations to their power so the only thing they can do it upkeep communal areas and any private road they might be on. Keep the Karen's locked down so they won't have any power other than doing EXACTLY what the by-laws state.
@@wolfganghbas long as you haven't signed any documents of you agreeing, that shouldn't be the case
We are in our first HOA home after retiring. I feel like I’m back in Kindergarten with the most controlling teacher ever!
Sue them for unconditional practice. I wanna see how that goes lmao.
Damn, I don’t feel bad for you since you WILLINGLY MOVED INTO AN HOA. Foresight is a wonderful thing
@@jordanstclaire many states, disclosure of the house being part of an HOA is required by law.
In many more states, it's not.
I hear all the time about people buying into an HOA and not knowing it's part of an HOA until they've already paid for the house and moved in. At that point it's too late.
I've even heard some people not realize they were in an HOA until after multiple fines or liens against their house. I even remember one news story where they didn't know until after their house was foreclosed upon by the HOA for unpaid fines which they were not sending to the homeowner.
Guess it depends on who runs the HOA. Ours has a voting system that we vote on rules and who is the president, vice president and treasury secretary.
The one in my neighborhood is pretty relaxed and we pool money together for things like security cameras, a front gate , yard maintenance and every 5 years or so we get the streets repaved.
If you feel like yours is being too strict I'd suggest speaking to other neighbors and seeing if yall can vote on some rule changes or maybe relaxing some of them to fit your needs.
Worst case you can lobby to have your president impeached or vote someone else in and usurp control.
@KrolKaz I lived in one where the first three rules were, 1, You are elected for 2 years and can not run again for 6 years. 2, Any rules you make can be canceled by the next person. 3, If no one is elected, there is no governing board. After the first 4 years, we went self governing.
In all 50 states, if the HOA is put in after you already live there, then you dont have to abide by it.
You are incorrect. They give you the option to join, and you decline. Then you don't have to follow their rules.
@@614BlueBerry not accepting, IE Not signing a contract, IS denying. You don't have to abide by their rules.
@@614BlueBerry I sincerely want to know who would willingly join a fricken hoa especially these days with all the horror stories
@@614BlueBerry Sounds like a dictatorship. So much for American “freedom”
@@614BlueBerryYou just said the same thing he did 🤦🏻♂️
I just purchased my first home recently and I’m so glad there’s no HOA. After renting in a HOA neighborhood for several years, the freedom to do whatever I want with my house and land is incredibly freeing. I’m thinking about staining my bricks navy blue, which would be UNTHINKABLE in my previous neighborhood. The cows out back are a plus. I love cows.
I chose a color halfway between blue and purple for my front door and shutters. It matches the violets and hyacinths in my yard. The siding is gray. I love it and there is no way an HOA would approve. I had a basic deck built in the back to replace the crumbling concrete patio-one neighbor objected because there are no fancy railings or built in seats. Too bad. I had a party with a dozen guests when it was built and none of them complained.
HOA's should never have been made legal in the first place.
Paying HOA fees is like hiring a bunch of Karens to run your life.
And then there are Karens who will call the HOA Karens on you, too!
You spelled run, but I think you ment ruin! 😂
@@trycom88run makes sense
@borklaser2225 sarcasm was used here
Meh that's America for you
HOA’s should be abolished. No one should be able to dictate what you do with your own property.
Your property is your property. No one has the right to tell you how to mow grow or manage it. I agree. I live on land that is Grandfather clause in. They can try but it will be a struggle.
Nobody has the right to tell you how to live!! Ban HOA'S
HOAs are voluntary. You choose to buy in one of those communities. Many single family home communities with associations maintain the parks or pools in the communities. For condos and townhomes they are very necessary. They carry insurance on the exterior of the buildings, maintain the amenities, parking lots, and roof of the buildings. If there wasn’t an HOA, then all of the homeowners of these units would have to pay out-of-pocket for building repair. That would be extremely expensive.
HOAs should be disbanded by the police
I agree it's unconstitutional
I can’t wrap my head around why someone would buy a house for 400k+ just so someone else can tell u what u can and can’t do to it. It will just never make sense to me
my parents built our house, and actually was asked (along with others in the neighborhood) if we wanted a HOA, and we said NO, and that's probably the best decision they ever made
An HOA is a automatic red flag when buying a house
I mean, that's usually the color communists use on their flags so I mean, you're not wrong.
My parents HOA for a while tried to fine them for having the wrong color recycling can. They got it from the city it was just a new color they were rolling out to new homeowners. It was a very slightly darker green. People who run those things have no lives
Same thing, my parents live in a gated community, they were able to get their house for cheap because people kept foreclosing on their houses. Some of the stuff they have tried to ding my parents for are down right petty.
Hoas are actually run by corporations and lawyers. Very few if any are actually run by the actual residents.
Rolling out. Well played.
Wow. Now that's beyond crazy
I would never live in a HOA neighborhood. I don’t know why ppl do it
I think every HOA should have a sundown clause - that they are only allowed to operate for a 5 or maybe 10 year term, and that the members must vote it back in (including redoing the paperwork necessary). Any builder hoa, that term kicks immediately after the last house is built. No more permanent deed restriction hoa.
Something else would have to be worked out for multi family housing.
I believe you because an HOA would never allow a house with a blue tarp on the roof as seen in the final shot.
You should work for an HOA with an attitude like that
The day someone pays my bills, is the day they can say how I keep my yard 😅
@Anonymous-cc5pnexactly why you dont choose to live an HOA… its only a thing in the US. Who wants private citizens telling you what colour your door is allowed to be? Even the government would never regulate people houses like that idk why youd want your neighbours to do it
@@zwicker5585They do it because of money. HOA homes tend to appreciate more over the time, also, the neighborhood is arguably "safer". HOA were made to keep poors and blacks out of their sight.
@@zaxmaxlax you are absolutely correct. HOAs were and still are designed to segregate. It was and still is to some degree a money maker. Although, I do think thats changing. Larger cities, within core areas have some of the fastest growing home prices and less HOAs. And arguably alot more diverse than the often outer-city limits neighbourhoods. The further out of a major city you go, the less and less racially diverse it gets, generally.
Unfortunately, most of them charge you additional fees for that pleasure
@Anonymous-cc5pnLMFAO Watch me
It's beyond me why HOAs even have this much power.
Because people don't read contracts and don't have an imagination
Because it's like becoming a politician you can become above the law while forcing rules on people
I think it was created to keep the guy with 15 engine blocks in his front yard out also his meth head family.
@@trollmastermike52845who cares he bought it
Because people GIVE them that power. It's amazing what people will give to be able to take from or exclude others.
“… that most neighborhoods have” - that’s incorrect, thank goodness!
In some cities it's hard to find subdivisions without an HOA, and those that don't have one are sometimes not very nice places to live. 🤷♀️
and yet those places are still better then any HOA.
A wealthy friend had their house painted, and the HOA sent them a letter saying it wasn't an approved color & they'd have to repaint. She asked for the list of approved colors. The HOA said there isn't a list, you just have to show your color to a member of the board and get it approved before you paint, and you didn't, so you'll have to start over. One tiny problem with that plan ... that rule was in direct violation of state law. She told them to pound sand. They said they'd sue. She told them "Do you have any idea who you're messing with? I have lawyers on retainer in four states. Go ahead!" They sued her, and they got eaten alive in court.
As they should
What a great story so glad they got hammered in court! 🎉
The odasity to sue somebody over their choice of paint on their own house is beyond me the entitlement is crazy I wouldn’t have the patience for that communism
They lost when they didn’t have a damn list. I don’t know the law but that sounds like discrimination
@@endure_3048 it's discrimination if people are treated differently based on race, gender, religion, etc. This was more of a power play - people who sucked up to board members as befitting their most exalted position as kings among men would get any damn color they wanted approved (as long as it was beige), and people who wouldn't suck up to them wouldn't get their colors approved just out of catshit petty abuse of power.
I bought a house in an HOA and got the HOA dissolved. Apparently a lot of people weren't happy about the HOA but just chose to do nothing. It took a while to be able to bring it up for a vote but eventually we did and the majority of people no longer wanted to live under the tyranny of a bored housewife who was way too involved in other people's lives. If you live in an HOA neighborhood, talk to your neighbors and test the waters. See how they feel about it. If you have enough angry neighbors tired of living in an HOA, you can bring the dissolution to a vote in a meeting. There will be some people that won't be happy about the dissolution but, oh well.
As an HOA VP, I can tell you this is absolutely correct. People can do this. I am not a dick though so people don't mind me haha
After seeing so many HOA bs videos. I enjoyed reading this. Thanks for sharing your experience.
Did the same thing and everyone chips in. 5 years ago
Our hoa president owns 53% of neighborhood houses
Apparently each one counts as a vote
Fair warning, this will likely not work if the developer holds majority power (by holding a majority of the lots in the subdivision but doesn't build on them.)
When I bought my first house last year with my wife we didn't know how bad HOAs could be. Thankfully we just happened to get a house in a neighborhood without one and I'm forever grateful!
My parents back in 2014 got into a really nice house. The neighborhood only has a playground and a bit of landscaping. $50 monthly in 2014 which was already pretty high. Fast foward to 2024 and the HOA fee have more than doubled with very small neighborhood improvement.
When I was talking with my realtor, the FIRST thing I wanted in a house, was NO HOA. I’m to stubborn and petty to deal with that shit.
You’d have almost zero purchasing options in a nice neighborhood in my area if you did that.
@@twdjt6245 A nice neighbourhood isn't a nice neighbourhood if you have an HOA.
@@twdjt6245 Nah. I’d rather not deal with jobless Karens bossing me about while I give them money. No way.
@@twdjt6245 Nice contradictory systemet. 😂
@@HaggisMuncher-69-420 Here in Germany i can go bonkers and completely psychotic as much as i want 😂🎉
That HOA thingy sounds annoying as hell... and now I'm wondering if we do have anything like it here.. because I never heard anything about it yet 😂
They need to abolish HOA...just a dictator in your neighborhood.
You're right! Suburbs have organized Karen gangs HOA
to deal with..
But here in the cities, we ONlY have the Bloods & Crips! Are they still around?
@@PiperROO-ti1srwild
@@PiperROO-ti1srMost people hate HOAs because of the horrible things that they do
@@PiperROO-ti1srare you the woman who walks around the neighborhood inspecting your neighbors grass?
HOA and the ATF suck
I may be the only one, but I actually like the look of those bushes growing over the curb. Grass I understand but those overgrown shrubs were nice.
No one in their right mind would ever wish to be in an HOA!
As a contractor I can say that HOAs are the biggest pain in the ass. Even worse than inspectors. Don't buy a house in a neighborhood with an HOA or you'll live to regret it.
Don’t buy a house in a red state either
@@potato1084 Why would you suggest that? There seem to be many nice places in so-called "red states" just as there are in "blue states".
@@potato1084 but red states = better states
@@potato1084i love owning my home in my deep red state where I have all my property rights
Got fined once for having the bins on the side of the house. I called and said the bins where there when I came to look at the house before signing. Why would I assume they don't belong there? Was told they have a new president that is now enforcing the rules. Again, how was I (a renter) suppose to know this, and all my neighbors have bins on the side. Long story short, I still got fined $45 and I left three months after that. @#$% HOA!
The HOA is basically a old people community that are strict enough to give you a fine if they find a grasshopper on your flower.
That you have in your bay window...
Depends on the neighborhood
True. I've read/seen stories similar.
Unfortunately it’s not just old ppl who live in HOAs.
Or the entire city of Cape coral florida. Its so bad the firetruck cant park at the firestation if outside. Its a 20 minuye drive to get the trucks. All HOA's are straight up commie rule.
I'm so jealous! I wish I could find a house outside of an HOA in my area.
Amen. I only lived with an HOA once. They tried to tow my car until I jumped in and barely pulled away in time. Among other harassments. The tow driver laughed at me and said "darn it!" Never HOA again!!
HOA should be abolished. Nothing but busy bodies with too much time on their hands.
You don't have to buy into one. Only sheep do.
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People who like being ruled by a dictator.
@@skipads5141 the fact my options are limited based on people who don’t own the selling house is very stupid
@@skipads5141 sheep can't buy houses
Our HOA is actually really good and full of nice people. Just basic rules to keep yards looking nice. Neighbors with bad property also effect your property value. Nothing crazy strict. We can do pretty much any modification or use our property however we want. Just keep it looking decent.
HOA’s should be illegal… they’re not paying for my house, utilities, money that goes to the maintenance of my house and lawn,, so why the hell should they get a say in any of it?
we never elected this hoa's and this association is big dicrimination. Best advice get on the hoa organizations and stay on it let everyone be free 😂 grow long grass weeds
Exactly, I’d rather rent an apartment then buy a home in an HOA neighborhood. Atleast I don’t gotta cut the apartments grass or worry about maintaining the building myself
Does nobody understand that your not forced into an HOA? If you don't like them then never join a neighborhood with one. You have to opt in to an HOA ..
Given their popularity, that's easier said than done. New constructions are already about 75% HOA, and that has been growing by multiple percent per year.
Because I don’t want to live next a hilljack that turns his yard into a landfill.
Why on earth would anyone subject themselves to an HOA house. I'd rather buy a house far away without HOA and live in peace
Never, never, never buy a home in a subdivision with an HOA. EVER!
HOA's should be permanently abolished.
I live in USA. We have freedom here where you can't ban associations if the property owners want them and legally form them.
@@dallasman9892 but the associations can restrict the freedom of people even when they own the property 🫠
If you buy a home there’s no HOA. If you buy a condominium or co-op there’s an HOA.
@@dallasman9892 that should be fine, but they should have no authority over those that decide to not be a part of that HOA.
...or the leaders of it!
"if you're not familiar with the acronym HOA... Be grateful you've never had the displeasure"
Exactly
Home Owning Anal cavities?
That's right he makes it sound like you can just open up an HOA anywhere but it's got to be established before the neighborhood is even built
I live in a very nice neighborhood, no hoa. If the neighbors tried to make one, I'd never join.
We should pass state laws dissolving all HOA'S.
Federal bill of homeowners rights. #1 An HOA cannot forcibly evict a homeowner from their property
Why be so fkg stupid to buy land agreeing to allow other people to control it?
Nobody's fault except people dumb enough to agree to that arrangement.
Idk, not all HOA’s are bad, some actually care for their neighbours and don’t act like a power tripping pseudo government, they do great things
Prohibiting nongovernmental authorities is literally fascism. HOA are not the worst. HOA protect you from dealing with lazy people that won’t take care of their property. It also allows for neighborhood watches.
@@da4127 Most are not like that though. I believe that there was a study which said 80% of people living under one were unhappy with theirs
HOA’s are where Karens go to become super-Karens.
The land of people who love to bitch but can't loft a finger to help
Wait until you choose the color they say is allowed... then the LRV is too high and you have to repaint the house, throw a lawsuit get that money back, and then again have to have your house repainted back to the color they "allowed", them throw a temper tantrum you take them to court again, and also they lose again. Because IT WAS ON THEIR LIST OF COLORS ALLOWED. Plus the human eye can't tell the difference between a tiny bit of a LRV to the next, they were trying to make a point and lost. But if you have certain shrubbery that the LRV damages I can see why. This house had none that would be hurt by it.
We have a male Karen in our HOA
Our new neighbor or soon to be, is an HOA super Karen. He has been a bully, a manipulator, a kiss up, an accuser, threaten legal action. And they haven't even begun to build their house. Now he's in the suck up/kiss up mode with my husband, he doesn't like me. 😮😢😢 😅😅😅
DEFINITELY!
I would never buy a house with an HOA.
HOA's are rare here in Seattle and our suburbs are kinda just plopped down wherever and the city has been rezoning a lot of it to put in more apartments and Quadruplexes to handle the housing crisis
HOAs should never be started. And no one who values private property should buy a house with one.
Unfortunately they're effectively unavoidable where I live... and it's not even like they try to fix the problems, they just fine people for not conforming. My neighbor had to contact them several times over a week regarding a broken sprinkler outside of their property that was leaking and the most they did for a week was set plywood over the hole it was creating...
I DO NOT THINK THAT I WOULD WANT TO LIVE IN A NEIGHBORHOOD WITH A HOA, EVEN IF THE PROPERTY WAS FREE
I have an hoa it's not that big of a deal. Mostly the mow/shovel the shared spaces. Nothing else.
@@softspokensatan8247 yet
@@softspokensatan8247Trust me, the longer you live there, the less beneficial an HOA will seem. Give people power, and it tends to go to thier heads.
Everyone in my neighborhood collectively decided to not follow the rules and the HOA just figured they didn't want any of this and we haven't had any HOA presence in over 18 years
Perfect!!!
This is what people don't understand.
Just like that and they can't make us do anything (I'm saying this generally because it's for many things)
Well done
The good ending
The problem a lot of people run into is having neighbors who either roll over and give in under the slightest amount of resistance, or even worse, the ones who LIKE having someone govern over them and play teachers pet.
HOA'S. NEVER!! Would love the volunteer idea.
Any place that has a HOA telling them what they must do to their own property should be the same company that has to pay the property taxes on all the properties!
Hoa is literally just the neighborhood Karen's
I think you mean neighborhood nazis...uggh.
Facts 😂
😂
No it's when the neighborhood gives the karen's authority
Karen’s could only aspire to be as bitchy and petty as an HOA. The HOA is basically the Queen Karen. The ultra Karen. The “your garbage can stayed out front for 30 seconds too long so here’s a $300 fine” Karen.
And what's worse about having an HOA is that you pay fees for them to tell you what can and can not do with your property!
Exactly! You pay them to harass you! In my area is basically impossible to find a house without an HOA or POA, it's the worst.
Not if you dont live there. We have Freedom to live wherever and no one can force you to live in an HOA.
thats what government and taxes are for ? x)
And then they maintain the public areas in your community….?
Go live in a rural area if you don’t want community. I like that my neighbors can’t pile up shit or let their yards get overrun. That’s what it means to live in society with other people.
Ye
Why do people want to live in an HOA area? They seem to be very controlling and annoying!
I find it hard to believe that HOA's are even legal?! What a load o' crap!!!
HOA's having power to evict you from the house you bought is absolutely ridiculous and insane. HOA's are way out of line and should be abolished.
They can be easily! All you need is several 55 gallon drums of gasoline and some matches! Remove those pesky HOA reps in two easy steps!
@@dengar96 You know what, I think that might work!
Unfortunately their abolition will require a sea change in the mindset of the people that choose to live in these developments re: low density sprawl and overdependence on cars.
This is rare . I’m from Canada and have 2 condos that have condo / hoa boards . It is really hard to kick some one out of their place and you have to do something pretty bad to get there
@@devinhall1631in America HOA can create any requirements they want for living there, they can kick someone out of their house as long as the rule is in the bylaws. It can be something as small as refusing to paint your door Red after 3 requests to follow policy. HOA's became popular in America because of racist POS.
Imagine buying a $500,000 house today and then not actually own it due to agreeing to an HOA
HOA or not, you still don't own your house lol.
@@sexistspaghettioswhy
I have a couple of entrances that I keep up and the developer turned them over to HOAs after he was done. Needless to say, a couple of the neighbors let me know very quickly that if they would have known that the neighborhood was going to be turned over to an HOA they would have never stepped foot in the neighborhood. So basically they got stuck after they bought the house.
@@prodby.gyxrmsuntil it's paid off, the bank owns it, and you have to pay the government not to take it for themselves every year. If you have to keep perpetually paying people to keep them from taking your stuff back, was it ever really yours?
@@Blaster-Master-LukeThat's not possible. An HOA can't just "take over". You need to sign a contract to be part of the HOA to begin with. If the old one gets dissolved, a new one with a new agreement is needed.
HOA’s also be charging people a Hefty sum of money every year.
They refuse to set up an HOA ? I don't blame them !
Honestly, I thought I was in an extreme minority wanting HOAs abolished.
My faith in humanity just went up.
It seems like there are assholes everywhere, but they're just strategically positioned, and loud. Most people don't even want power over other people at all, much less petty power
@@alakani There's even some in the comments😂
Why would anyone want one? The only people who do are racists and people who would be in charge of them (or both).
Nah bruh’ ur in the majority. I personally never owned in an HAO and will never do. But I have friends and relatives on both the west coast and east coast that absolutely dread their ownerships.
It’s a double edged sword. We don’t have one which is great because I didn’t have to get approval for my fence and what not. But also there are people now that put trampolines and huge gardens on their front lawn and makes the neighborhood look trashy=slower property value increase
The single most bad decision I ever made was moving into an HOA managed community and I’ve done some dumb shit.
yea, I live in a gated community with a very strict HOA. We have to spend about 10k every year just to meet the needs of our HOA.
@@bear1143 what the hell are they making you spend 10k a year on??
You're giving them money AND control.
well number one, there is HOA fees and those can range all over the place sometimes they can be hundreds of dollars a month@@logantussing6235
Never buy a house in an HOA.
Hoas should be illegal. Civilians issuing fines and telling other citizens what they can/can't/must/must not do with their property as well as levying taxes in the form of dues is not acceptable.
Remember guys, if you want to eff with the HOA just install a 40 foot ham radio tower, the FCC take precedence over state and local laws when it comes to building infrastructure that aids in private and public radio communications. They also will subsidize your funding for it and fine the HOA hundreds of thousands of dollars if they try to stop you😂😂😂
Epic.
OMG PLEASE
The virgin HOA will always be subverted by the homeowner
You must live in a fantasy land
Dale Gribble IRL
I worked for the HOA as a security officer. I, myself hate delivering the tickets or infractions. Sometimes, I feel like I won't be back to Bass. Water hose, bb gun, sprinklers, dogs. Please don't ever buy property in the HOA community 🙏
So you hand deliver violations instead of the HOA sending them a letter?
Shoulda made those slips go missing.
What's "back to Bass?"
If you can find communities without those nuisances. Let all vote and make noise to get rid of them.
HOA SUCKS! We pay all this money yet NEVER DO ANYTHING!
Corruption is the word of the day. We can't have an "above ground pool" but OUR NEIGHBORS CAN!?!?!?
😤😡
They can't control me man! Because, they don't want to come at my neighbor.😅😂😂😂
You could not give me a free home in a HOA community.
I mean, you could give me one and I would sell it to some dumbass.
nah i take the free house, sell it, then leave the HOA behind
I’ll take the free home, join the HOA, and dismantle it.
Some people just run away from problems, I guess.
@@xCandieAndiex
That's what I was going to say. I take anything that someone wants to give me. If there's any way for me to make use of it.
@@lazyfoxplays8503 I wish I had your kind of free time
HOA’s are just an excuse for old people to have something to do. Mine actually sent my family a cease and desist letter for my high school graduation sign we put in the yard. They are literally insane.
Just remind them
you know where they live
And then don’t say anything else
Just bunch of controlling NAZI'S
That's disgusting
One of my exes parents live in an HOA and they’ve got grandkids. Thought hey let’s put a play ground set in the backyard. HOA had to pick it out because they are only allowed certain colors. The same HOA also kept sending them fines and letters for months because there was a cargo van that would always park next to their house with a license plate. It was owned by someone like four houses down from them. You would think that the license plate would’ve been run to see who it belong to right but no. Just start fining them because it’s closest to their house.
I've seen HOAs that were run by normal, sane, working adults in their 30s, and it was fine. They had set it up so basically they could stop anyone from being an absolute tool. They didn't have a whole bunch of meetings, no restrictions on what to display, etc.
I think the largest problem with HOAs is that it ends up being Karens who don't have to work and have an overabundance of bitterness who end up running them
Worked as a manager for an HOA complex. The sheer evil of the homeowners board was overwhelming. Moved and never looked back.
Early covenants and deed restrictions were established to control the people who could buy in a development. In the early postwar period after World War II, many were defined to exclude African Americans and, in some cases, Jews, with Asians also excluded on the West Coast. There is the origin of your HOA.
It's a red flag if I meet someone who loves HOAs.
Mine is pretty rad but that’s just cause the president and the VP are cool but I’m worried about when someone else takes over
HOA is one steep off with a e to match what that is, same product, same service
Best comment. 😂
The one that loves an HOA, is usually the one running it !
Realtor "so what are you looking for in a house?"
My wife and I, "No HOA"
I don't understand people like you an HOA isn't inherently bad. But I will say that the people who have the biggest complaints about HOAs are usually shity people to live next to.
@@19Borneo67Just because you don’t want a council of Karen’s running your life doesn’t mean you have to live in the hood
@@19Borneo67what a weird take
@@19Borneo67 that sounds great tbs but i know its not really xD
@@CertifiedFresh7 i would rather live in the hood, more respect tbh
My neighborhood is one of the few without an HOA in my area. I used to wish we had one bc some neighbors didn't mow their grass, things like that. Now I've come to realize how lucky I am.
A power tripping HOA drove an old man to attempt to off his HOA board
There was one I seen where HOA tried forcing a elderly man that was a veteran to take down his American flag. His house wasn't even HOA property. The HOA even attempted to take his flag. They got mad when he made what they were doing public by going to the local news which caused other news channels including nationwide one to find out and report on it.
I had a catastrophic medical event that put me in the ICU for six weeks with a single digit % chance to survive. My husband was deployed and under a communication blackout due to an incident and didn't know. I was kept in a coma the majority of the time. The HOA handed me a bill and fine for my unkept yard that was over $3k. No excuses or explanations justified me not having the grass mown. When my husband got home, he took the HOA to court. I don't know what happened as i was seriously out of it for months. I will never live with a HOA again.
HOAs are evil. God forbid you have a medical emergency like you had where you need to focus on recovery, but if you're associated with an HOA, you also have to be concerned with "is your lawn mowed".
You joined wanting only people of no color and got what you asked for
I hope you're doing much better. Love and light to you and yours. ❤
You would think that someone would have figured out something was wrong and tried to contact you. We've cut grass for neighbors who were in the hospital before. It's what neighbors are supposed to do.
@cassandra9699 yeah because the day to day of HOAs are often managed by a for profit company that wants to make as much as possible.
I often wonder why nobody has made a horror movie about HOA - most could relate to the horrors of dealing with an HOA
Not HOA but try Hot Fuzz
movie title KUYA Karen Up Your Azz
There's a movie called Karen in reference to the HOA.
@@jacobholmes6434I just looked it up - sounds pretty agenda pushing - and just like an HOA - I'll pass - but thanks.
What a great idea. You could make a serious movie on a small budget since we don't need CGI or anything fancy, just a good story. Maybe have the HOA board consist of criminals and use it show some of the worst HOA behaviors. Then have statements at the beginning and at the end of the film claiming this is a work of fiction based on true stories and it does represent the reality of HOAs in the US and demand that they be severly regulated or banned.
If HOA try’s be in the community I live in everyone is just gonna do the opposite of their rules
The HOA here even demand a yearly fee, imagine paying to be told what to do 😂
Visited family in Rochester, they don’t have an HOA and everything looked so unique and each house was so comfy looking. Came back to arizona and got to see all 5 kinds of houses all over again!
And those 5 houses are gonna resell for way more than the “comfy and unique” houses if one of them gets a crackhead roommate who refuses to move out lol.
@@manny9323 eh i’d rather bring the old house down and rebuild from ground up
@@manny9323and I rather be able to work in my driveway on my car with an impact gun and a gas air compressor
@@manny9323Lol. You're full of crap. I work for a massive company which gathers and provides just about any metric you can think of related to property management and costs. It's always the moronic unlikely extreme scenario that you have to revert to, to justify an HOA. The data are quite clear, any surplus amount you might sell your home for in an HOA, which is often negligible if any, often doesn't even cover the amount you spent on HOA fees over the years. It's always special ed kind of math touted by the HOA jock sniffers. That would be you
@@manny9323what are you talking about
HOAs should be illegal. PERIOD.
Why?
@@MotsGamingChannelyou couldn’t own a blue collar business with HOA or even have a fun time building a project car with your kids because they would make you get rid of it
@@MotsGamingChannel how much time ya got?
YEP 100%
@@MotsGamingChannelbc they are a racket
If i was to buy a house one of the first questions asked would be "is there a HOA?" If the answer is yes then id walk away... 😂
HOA's should be illegal. Never had one and will never participate in one.
What about condo boards?
@AMD1 as someone who lived in a condo, avoid it unless you like apartment living. HOAs in general suck and they are very inefficient with your money
@@AMD1 condo boards are pretty much just HOA's under another name. Condo's are a little different because they are collective physical structures, but free standing homes; all you should have to do is pay a portion of upkeep for common spaces like community green spaces, pools, etc. If they don't have those things, then HOA's need to piss off.
@morgan1027 yes actually I have owned two and currently own a 3500 sq ft home in a NON hoa area (of course) and my value on property has only ever gone up over the 25 years I've owned homes. My first home was even in a less desirable neighborhood and it steadily rose still. You don't need an HOA measuring your grass with a ruler to maintain home values.
Also the types of neighborhoods which have the kinds of people who cinderblock vehicles would never be in HOA areas lol.
@morgan1027 they maintain property value in some instances, especially in cases where the general group of people can be a nuisance, like when someone wants to leave their project car in the driveway for 5 years while they accumulate parts to fix it. In other instances, they write passive aggressive letters to me that my nieces and nephews can’t have a tent pitched behind my cabin on the lake (which is entirely out of sight of the road). Nothing like spending my money to have others think they should be able to control the ability for kids to have fun 🥰
I went to a community with a HOA to deliver some appliances some weeks ago, it was the most boring looking place I've seen, all houses the same, painted the same, no decorations except for some wreaths or simple lights. There's more life in a hospital morgue than in a HOA run community.
If you buy a house that does not have an hoa and someone starts one conact an attorney if you can and never sign any paperwork they give you to become part of the hoa if you dont sign they cant make you join the hoa
I feel like making yard signs saying "BUYER BEWARE, DRACONIAN HOA NEIGHBORHOOD" and placing them at each HOA neighborhood entrance.
HOA stands for "High On Authoritarianism."
Also, know as "power tripping."
Also keep in mind, that HOA's have their roots in redlining, a.k.a. "non-whites can't move here."
Hogs on authoritarianism.
Aka Karen central. I refused to buy a house with an HOA, and it was the best thing I ever did 😂
Hive
Of
Assholes
Someone needs to come up and make a petition to make HOAs illegal.
Now there's a thought
Or maybe just restrict their authority, so we don't take away another freedom from everyone. Like don't let them give you fines and such
@@evanwells6284HOAs are designed to restrict your freedom though
@@evanwells6284the freedom to be a cunt does not out weight someone else’s freedom to be a homeowner and mind your own business, make it illegal, full stop.
that's not how that works. you would have to introduce legislation
HOA's can be hell. I was in one and cut my grass. They must have come around with a ruler or something and measured my grass. The next day I got a letter saying that I did not cut it low enough. So, I had to lower my mower to the lowest setting and cut it again. If I received another letter I would have to pay a fine. After that, then it was lawyers fees. Never no more will I buy in an HOA. NEVER, never, never!
Why have this in America??? Isn't America all about freedom??? This is so counter productive
My family was hassled by the hoa, my dad ran and won for president. I ran for treasurer, my sister for secretary. The first vote after we were sworn in was to abolish the hoa. We won 4-1 to abolish it.
Then everyone clapped
Gimme “Things that never happened” for 300, Alex
Yeah I wanna believe this, but I’m pretty sure I saw this episode of American Dad
There is a HOA somewhere nearby (not mine) who has 9 seats, but company held 5 of those seats, and the other 4 were for the actual people. If a vote ever came up to abolish the HOA, of course they would vote No every time and win the majority vote.
“If you can’t beat them, *join them* then *DESTROY* them.” 😈
HOA's are usually comprised of "Karen's and Ken's" who have to be in everybody's business.
Usually we call them "Kevins", not "Kens" x3
Usually don’t have a real job either.
😂😂
HOA = KOS
Not Ken. Kevin.
Not gunna lie, you had me there in the first half! 😂
I've only ever lived in ONE HOA, which was decent! Every other one SUCKED and after the last one I swore, I'd never do it again!
Yup. There's almost nothing we can't do when we work together 💯
Every HOA should be dismantled
yes and the board members should have all there assets seized and be give the death penalty
Ugh. I remember going to my grandpa’s place after he passed to help clear his place. Come to find, the HOA had left notices about some weeds. They probably didn’t know, but it was still frustrating. The weeds were few and mostly hidden to the public eye, and not really our priority at the time. Miss you, grandpa
What do you mean 'weeds' ?
@@TRPGpiloti hope you don't think this person's late grandpa was growing cannabis in their front yard. what they mean by weed is literally just a weed. like dandelions. pest plants that grow and spread if you don't consistently get rid of them.
@@wherebuysilverware4656 I know that they were not talking about cannabis, but stop and think for a minute, the fact they are were getting a letter for 'dandelions' and other 'weeds' makes it even more rediculous, but its the land of the "free" home of the "brave" I guess . . .
@@TRPGpilotNo one has ever referred to marijuana as "weeds".
@@gonkdroid9325 Maybe this is one of those uniquely 'american' things that no one else seems to care about . . .
Thanks for your help! It looks great 👍
That was one of my absolute dealbreakers when I was house hunting. I refuse to subject myself to the whims of petty tyrants.
Yeah it sounds so fun to play politics with your neighbors.
Say the wrong thing and you lose the house you bought.
Don’t forget the biggest bullet you dodged: They can evict you out of the house you own and sell for like 30 bucks. THAT IS NOT A JOKE! THAT IS LEGIT NOT A JOKE IT’S ABSOLUTELY INSANE
Calling an HOA a quasi governmental agency is giving them way more credit than they deserve
honestly not really, a lot of municipalities outsource services to the hoa like trash collection, sewer/water, and even things like setting traffic violation fines in the neighborhood completely legally. not to mention, some of the bigger hoas have management companies that do their back end, not the residents.
@@rrrrrrrrr9027 maybe I was correct and you just misunderstood it. All those things you listed, are things that they should not be doing, like I said HOAs don't DESERVE the credit. I said nothing about their duties or responsibilities because I don't believe HOAs should be legal so it doesn't matter if they fit the description of quasi-governmental agency, HOAs don't DESERVE to be called that
I think calling them a quasi governmental agency is the perfect term, the people running it have no business running it and they're all corrupt and only care about themselves. This sounds a lot like your average politician, they don't deserve to be there. Most of them are corrupt and most of them only care about themselves
@@cameronvanatti6629Okay then say that. The actual government has too many laws too. Who cares about credit?
@@cameronvanatti6629but being called 'the government' is the ultimate insult.
It labels HOA's as inept when, in actuality, they're far too efficient at ruining your life.