No need to battle it out, we all know you are biased against the P320 platform and prefer Glocks or CZs. As someone who carries a P320 daily and puts several hundred rounds of Winchester white box through it monthly along with my self defense rounds, I can say I trust my life with it. No malfunctions other than my big hands preventing the slide lock from engaging, which after adjusting my thumb has been remedied. I've owned several other P320s and had no issues with them either, they eat everything I've put through them with no malfunctions.
@@jameshalfhill9919 I’m not suggesting his experience hasn’t been real, but the common thread is he’s the shooter in each case. When I first bought my Sig M11-A1, I had issues with FTE’s and the slide locking back when the mag is empty. I had never had any issues with my P226 which is essentially the same gun but a little larger grip and slide. I called Sig and he explained that most likely it was my grip and I was riding the slide. I made an adjustment and never had any further issues and now have about 2K rounds through the gun.
Love the content man, but yeah I will say the 320 take is interesting lol. Took it right out the box and used it on a pistol qualifying course with absolutely no issues. Haven’t had any malfunctions during range days either as of yet. It may be less reliable than for example a Glock over its lifetime, but far from completely unreliable. Carry one for work and I’d definitely stake my life on it.
If you perform your own handling and do extensive research before making a purchase, you should have absolutely zero doubt that your tool isn't of the top most quality to fit your needs. At least that's my protocol on how I make a decision when it comes to buying something to protect my life and for fun.
@davidmack4185 I've been shooting Ruger firearms for just shy of 40 years, I just have a hard time looking at anything else anymore. I pick up a Ruger product for a very reasonable price. I know it's going to work flawlessly. Yeah you can spend thousands more and maybe get a slightly better off the shelf firearm, but at the end of the day, I'm no "professional " and neither are 99% of purchasers. I will say this though, I bought a cheap ($300) Savage .243 for plinking, it ended up being my go to during deer season because of its laser like accuracy, weight and 4 round capacity, great little bolt gun. Otherwise, Ruger is my go to every time.
Love my p320 x carry but I’ll be honest. I’m not sure if I’m pulling the trigger for a follow up shot or it’s just firing. Only have about 500 rounds. Still can’t catch it when it fires. I will say it’s the most comfortable and accurate pistol I own though
I have not had any failures with my CA M18. I purchased about 2 months ago and made grip, sight, and trigger changes. Prior to shooting I disassembled, cleaned and lubricated the pistol. I then ran 100 rounds of 147 grain for break in and another 400-500 rounds of 115 grain range ammunition. Not one FTF or FTE. Not one issue. So my experience with the 320 is the same as my P365x and P365xl. A smooth running and consistent running piece. I do believe that some people have had issues, but most I have concerns about the cleaning and break in process.
Me too. I've fired several thousands rounds out of my own M17 with different grips and barrels and an issued 320 (M18) and I have never had an issue. Maybe I just got good ones, I don't know.
I love that you included other RUclipsrs and shooters experiences as well. Just purchased a Springfield Echelon after months of watching reviews and saw a very opinionated RUclipsr bashing it. I was waiting for the mechanical reasoning but he had none and seemed more jealous that he wasnt "gifted" one for review like others were. It came down to his personal preferences. He also gave HIS Prodigy all the love of being a "great gun" and its funny that it made your list (and many other's). Thanks again for honest content! Keep it coming!
I also have an Echelon. Well over 1200 rounds through it in under a 2½ months now. No issues at all. I've shot 147 Grade Jello shots, +P, 115, 126 and even 98gr frangible, and that was the only time I had 1 issue. That first round FTF. But that I chalk up t0 cheap oddly made ammo. Only did it once. Love that gun. I also got a 1911 from Tisas. Cheap gun, but it shoots so damn good. No issues except the magazines are tough to load. Runs like a dream. Thought that might be on here and relieved it wasn't.
Love the video as always. But I have to say I have three Sig P320’s for over 3 years and I’ve fired well over 1,000 rounds in each one and have never had 1 miss fire. I guess I’ve been fortunate 👍🏻
@@patrickelles9006 I’ve noticed this RUclipsr has a strong dislike towards the platform. It’s his opinion and I respect it ,but from all I’ve seen the 320/m17s are hard chargers
I had problems with the SCCY but I contacted the company and sent it into SCCY and , after two returns, it finally came back working great! It feeds everything reliably. The turn around times were short, and the staff were friendly.
I can word my reply a little more like a white man, Thank you for your positive comment, but nobody wants to buy a gun that needs or likely will need to be returned. Taurus was in a slump like that back in the 80s or so, and it took them 35 years to pull out of all the negative talk. However they have been building very fine quality guns for decades.
WOO HOO! None of the guns I have OR want are on this list! Truly appreciate y'all takin the time to put this video together. I'm sure you've helped a lot of people save THOUSANDS on potential purchases while putting the gun manufacturers on notice that they better fix their crappy merchandise. Thanks!
Glock, 43, 17, 18, 40, 23, 22, GEN 1 Gen 2, Gen. 3, Gen 4 gen 5, gen 6, 7, 8, and Gen ?????. All cheap plastic junk. Made with recycled lego blocks. By Fisher Price toy company.
When I got back into handguns years ago, I made choices based on cost. It didn't take me long to figure out you get what you pay for. Now all of the turds are gone. I still look for deals, but only on quality pistols. I was relieved that I did not own anything from the Top Ten Worst list. Continue to keep it real & keep it Honest, Outlaw.
When you shoot a minimum of 300rds per day in pistol, price point of the pistol doesn't really matter that much. Reliability, ergonomics, trigger feel/reset, accuracy, magazine availability matter more.
@@Diabolus_Musica Actually, I do own a Canik METE. One of the best triggers I have ever shot. I never intended to come off as a gun snob, but I've owned some budget handguns that don't hold a candle to the Canik METE. Firearms, like ammo has come a long way in the last decade. Take care.
@@anthonysamuel143 There many quality company's that make pistols/rifles. You have Glock, S&W, HK, FN,CZ, IWI, etc. to name a few. I've never had issues with my Sig P320. And at one point was considering it to be my ccw. However, I went with a G48 for ccw. It's why I like when a reviewer does a 1000 round or more, before giving their review. The issues with said pistol will reveal itself after a 1000 rounds or less. Also someone mentioned Canik which is another good company. And affordable too.
@@LRRPFco52 Lucky you, I wish I could afford to go through 300rds a day. I agree with your reliability, ergonomics, etc. comment. In my experience, I haven't been able to get all that in an inexpensive firearm. I didn't have to spend up too much more to get closer to your list. Thanks for your comment.
I was given a Hipoint C9. After extensively refitting all the poorly machined parts I ran 1100 rnds without a malfunction. This is still the most uncomfortable pistol to shoot that I own, heavy, too much barrel jump, and accurate as a rock tossed blindfolded. Such a wonderful boat anchor, yet a good truck gun. Never have to worry, no one will knowingly steal it.
I found a tackle box in about 5 foot of water while fishing once. Inside was a bunch of rusty hooks and a highpoint 380. I shit you not. The very first round didn't work but everything after that fired haha. I was pretty surprised because from the look of the hooks. It had been underwater for awhile.
The C9 is heavy and a little cumbersome. After the 20 rounds I adjusted the rear sight and have had no trouble with the gun since. I'm very happy with it. Serves it's purpose for buying very well.
@@RUSTYCHEVYTRUCK I disagree. The model is dead; the platform is not. The M27IAR (itself a variant of the HK416) the Marines are using? Where do you think that action came from? The AR didn’t get the axe after early experiences in Vietnam because one of the world’s largest militaries went all in on it without really ironing out the bugs. They refined it until it worked because they HAD to make it work. It continues to live on largely because of modularity. Had the Stoner 63 or AR-18 been trialed concurrently with the AR-15 for the US military, there’s a decent chance the AR-15 would’ve lost out.
When I purchased my Prodigy about 5 months ago, I had FTF and FTE. I sent it back to Springfield Armory and when they returned it back to me, it now runs flawlessly. It runs like a champion! It is one of my favorite firearms to carry to the range. It's a keeper!
I just purchased a Springfield prodigy and have ran about 2000 round through with a total of 3 malfunctions the first 3 mags. After, no issues at all. Great shooting platform.
Glock 19 owner here, I've had mine for 13 years now and I've out over 238,000 rounds through it without a single failure or malfunction, and I haven't replaced a single part. I've run a myriad of different rounds, both spicy and standard. No issues. Let me know when you reach that round count. I'm kidding. Lol I had a hard time deciding between a Sig and Glock, but I ended up with the G19 1 1/2 years ago. I love it, but I have a few friends and a brother that own Sigs, and they're great. They're fun to shoot and look amazing. I'll own a few someday.
I have a Prodigy, Gun shop got it in April, I got it in late May. After 1st 400 rounds, 3 failure to go into battery. I cleaned it, the next 600 rounds 0 issues 0 failures
I’ve never had a problem with mine, but I have the second gen. I have over 1000 rounds and still haven’t cleaned it, zero issues. Yesterday I mag dumped 12 mags, 6 20rd, 6 26rd not 1 single malfunction.
@@clydezackery_hootie26 I have a 5” and 4.25 comp. Not a single issue with 5 inch but on the 4.25 there was Cerakote on the breach face that wasn’t allowing the slide to go into battery. I cleaned it off and polished it and there’s not a single issue with it.
My Hi-Point 40 is a boat anchor, it sits in my hand like I’m carrying a brick, the recoil is horrible, but it got me into the shooting game and it has a place in my heart. It also now operates reliably after 20 years of use. I still take it with me when I go plinking, but I take my good guns too.
Exactly how I feel about my high point. Yes it's kind of a piece of shit but I got it at a pawn shop for 75 dollars and got alot of range time with it. I dont even take it to the range these days but it will always have a place in my safe.
I have a Sig P 320 and I guess I am fortunate. I have never had a problem with it. I have shot thousands of rounds through it and had no troubles so far. Just a note after I have had it at the range I clean it thoroughly.
About four thousand rounds into my Prodigy, no failures with factory ammo. Shot it’s first match today, USPSA, no failures, gun was flawless. Several shooters wanted to know about it and try it because all they heard was that they suck. They don’t all suck.
I absolutely love your honesty. As a veteran, I was issued the cheapest crap out there and it was often hand me downs, (M60 with no rifling left, lol). But, again, honesty is literally gold. Why be a fanboy of a firearm and provide good reviews when in fact, throwing the handgun…or using it as a short bludgeoning device, is safer and more effective. I am by far not an expert, but I have a fair amount of experience and sometimes, a turd is a turd!
I bought a P320 M17 used at my LGS. No clue how many rounds went through it. Never cleaned it when I got it and took it home. Since then roughly 2 years ago I've probably put nearly 1K rounds through it with honestly less than routine cleanings and I've only ever had 1 malfunction. I'd heard complaints about it online, but never anything in person. This is very interesting.
Yea, my M17 is 100 percent reliable, and my 320 customworks spectre xcarry is a PHENOMENAL pistol with 100 percent reliability. I don't know what these guys are smoking, but they even showed the customworks in this video and talked about it like its not reliable. Straight garbage video. I turned it off after that. Clearly they dont know what they are talking about by putting the HIPoint as more reliable than a SIG 320 Customworks XCarry. mind blown.
The only trouble I've had out of my Sig P320 M18 was a FTF. It was white box Winchester. I actually had two FTF's out of a 100 box. I rechambered one and it fired the second time around.
OMG, I love your reviews. I was a LEO for years and shot a number of different revolvers and pistols, but I have purchased pistols which you have have recommended. I am a confirmed Colt and Wilson gun nut, but I like reliable cheap guns too. I carried a Colt 1911 from Vietnam thru Desert Storm. I still have a fondness for my old Colt 1911 and it shoots great, but I like a 2011's too. Keep up the great work, and keep on shooting and reviewing.
Just rented a P320 X5 legion at the range today. had to sideline my own pistol and keep buying ammo for the x5, it shot so good. not a single malfunction either. I'm petty sold on buying one for a range toy. stacking a zone hits at 25 yards no problem. awesome piece
@@dilldowschwagginz2674 you wasted your comment most likely. A shadow 2, ts 2, Accushadow, etc all shit all over the x5. I'd bet even a P09 with a CGW hammer and assorted small parts would make it look bad.
@Ashley Weeks probably because cz fan boys are easily the most annoying and normal people don't want to be associated with them. Also they're ugly as shit.
I got a taurus millennium G2 I found at a gun show for $198. Good gun. Took it to the range and ran 500 rounds through pretty quick only had 2 hang ups. That’s good it was straight out of the box to the range.
Oh man. I inherited a Kahr CW45 from my Dad when he passed away, and I liked it so much I ordered a Kahr all steel variant in 9mm. I’ve never liked that gun as much as I wanted to make myself like it, and seeing the Kahr on this list validated those feelings 😂
I too have a SCCY CPX-2. Bought it cheap at a pawn store. Never really had any issue with it being picky with ammo, but does tend to have quite a few light primer strikes. I can usually get the round to fire on a second trigger pull though. I also put the light trigger pull kit in and reduced the pull from @ 8lbs to @ 4lbs. Just doing that cheap mod made it more accurate. I was using it as my carry for a lil while, but now I use my SAR 9X Platinum.... Talk about a smooth firing gun...I love that thing...
I bought an orange one just for camp cleanup with CCI #12 shot for snakes when I'm kayak camping. Works just fine. If I drop it I can find it. If I lose it I can walk away.
I have the Gen 2 Prodigy. Absolutely zero malfunctions in 4500 rounds. Keep it lubed and it runs like a scalded dog. It's my number one race gun. My custom G34 is now in 3rd place behind the Prodigy (#1) and the Canik Rival with the Taylor Freelance Weight kit (#2).
The first gun I bought was a CPX-2. Knew what I was getting into. Long story short I sent it back to SCCY for a repair. They replaced the trigger assembly. It ran through 1000 rounds without a single issue.
One of my best friends dads ones a CPX-1 and him and his son both own a CPX-2 and they swear by them… I’m not brave enough to buy one tho, I’ll stick to my Glock 19x lmao
I've got a CPX-2 with a lighter trigger and don't have problems with reliability when using the proper ammo. That long trigger pull though. It's a back up gun.
I bought a CPX2RD for less than 300 I thought it'd be a good way to see if I liked a red dot on a pistol. That's the worst pistol I've ever owned hands down. The optic quit before I ever even fired it and it's never ran a full magazine without a failure.
@@BM205 Polish the ramp and use Remington white top and it will feed very reliably. Still a piece of crap though because of that long long long country walk to the mailbox trigger pull.
@@greggc8088 wish it were that simple. When you quickly squeeze the trigger it will fire most of the time but pull it slowly and it freezes then goes off when you release it most times. I need to send it back but truthfully I'm not even sure where it is.
I have a 608 and it not only is dead reliable but will put shoot the last colt python I owned. Don't get me wrong, I generally hate Taurus but sometimes even Taurus gets it right.
@@bobailanjian3700 Can't speak for the revolvers, have actually avoided them just in case....but, the 5 or so G series pistols I have shot and/or owned have been solid performers. Literally every bit as reliable as my Glock 19, M&P 2.0 Compact, or my HK VP9 Tactical. The finish doesn't hold up as well, but the gun hasn't started to rust or anything. I cant be mad at that for a gun that costs less than half what the others do, is optic ready, and double strike capable. I use a G3 TORO as my hiking/biking/camping gun, so It sees a lot of sweat, water, and dirt while getting banged around the most.
I’m so happy no one is really butt hurt about his opinion of the p320 instead just sharing their great experiences. My 320 has run flawlessly but everyone is different.
I own 4 P320s and at my gun range we have 3 for rent. Neither one have had a single gun related issue. The discharging that Sig has corrected is one thing, however, the 320s are incredibly reliable by my experience.
Carried the 226 for almost 15 years, just switched to the m17 last year and almost love it as much as the 226. Only stove pipes I've had was from reloads.
im with you here! i own 4 as well x5 legion, m18, .45 and spectre x and at no time out of the thousands of rounds i shot(250 rounds weekly) have i had a failure to cycle, extract or stove pipe. the ammo tends to be the fail point if there is a misfire. primer strike and no boom
Sig having end users being beta testers is the main issue I have with them today I’ve got several 229’s that I love. I finally have a reliable 365 that I even waited 2yrs before I purchasing. The 320 I have no desire for over CZ or Glock options Sig didn’t do themselves any favors in the fuddlore department. It’s their own fault but there’s also pretty reliable sources showing their failures
I have the same experience with my M18. The only time I've seen it fail is when it's limp wristed. My GF can make it fail every single time. Interestingly, she uses the same grip with her p365 with zero issues.
Own 3x p320s myself (x5 legion, customworks axg and an m18). Outside of a few stovepipes on the x5 legion during the break in period with an under sprung recoil spring. No issues with factory ammo. It's the cheap junk stuff that gives the guns problems.
Sig is cheap made aluminum, that scratches easily, and the finish wears off with a pencil eraser, but mine never malfunctioned after running 1000 rounds tru it.
Regarding the CPX-2, I'm guessing I just got lucky because I bought one when I was very crunched on money, but I put about 300 rounds through it and didn't have a single hiccup or fail. I guess I was one of the rare buyers that never had an issue, but my aunt also carries one and she has put a few hundred round through hers as well without any issue. Not saying it's good, just giving you another perspective on it. Love your content!!!! Keep up the great work, love your videos!!!!!!!!!! You have definitely helped me stay away from a lot of mistakes I was about to male lol. Thank you again for the effort you put into being an awesome gun reviewer.
I have the hi-point .380, I had issues with it when I first got it. I put some time in polishing and greasing it and haven't had an issue with it since. It's not my only hi-point I also have a carbine with about 30,000 rounds through it, I will say it's not the best but will work no matter how dirty it got.
I was a little surprised to see the 608 on there. I have had mine for like 12 years and have no clue how many rounds I have through it. It has always been a joy to shoot, and no matter how many rounds of any brand and reloads, 38spl or 357 I shoot it always eats them up with never a single malfunction of any kind. It has also been very accurate. So I was surprised when I heard that one and your experience with one
I've had mine for at least that long and have never had one single problem with it, nor have I ever heard anyone besides this guy say anything at all negative about 608.
I bought my 608 almost since it first came out. First load of ammo cylinder locked up... was afraid i wasted my money! But I found out that the primer from my reloaded ammo had blown out of the pocket and got jammed. after that... no issues at all! in fact I bought it's big the matching 44 mag.
Everyone is entitled to their opinion and no one can take it away from you. I will stipulate that you have had malfunctions while using the P320 as it’s your experience and your presentation. I have 4 320 models. 3.6” compact, 2 3.9” Spectre X Compacts and the full size M17. The compacts have been my EDC and duty weapon for several years. I have well over 20,000 rounds through them all combined and have had ONE ammo related malfunction. Again, just as yours, one man’s opinion. I enjoy your content. Be safe and keep it up!
It's been my experience with the SCCY that most of its problems stem from it never being broken down at the factory and de-burred. 30 minutes with a file, clean and oil, it becomes a low-cost, very reliable 9m hand gun for self-defense!
I COMPLETELY agree with you. I would even extend past just the SCCY and into a lot of other brands. It seems like there arent a lot of true shooters out there that will take the time to "tune" (probably the wrong term) or go through their factory gun to "slick things up". Its almost like most people are scared to go through with some abrasive cloth/fine files to clean everything up. Whenever I get a new toy, I disassemble it, feel for any burrs/roughness, clean those spots up, lube it and go shoot it. Havent had any real problems that couldnt be fixed by doing that.
I qualified on the M17 for the first time a month ago. I shot 45 rounds that day and had 6 malfunctions. Half of us had at least one malfunction. I don't remember ever seeing the M9 fail.
M9's had a lot of issues early on. The M17/18 is imho the M9 mk.2 in terms of how stuff is going down complete with similar recalls and failures. Also, military service weapons are made to a lower standard and see much more use and abuse. Judge both them M9 and M17/18 based on their brand new forms first then judge their resilience later.
I own the M17 and a P320 chambered in 45 and was issued the M9 back when I was in. The M9's slide is sloppy as fuck. neither of my sigs have had any malfunctions. Now my brother in laws M18 has stove piped a bunch of times when we were shooting together on fourth of July. We were using 115 grain steel cased but for some reason the M18 didn't like it. But it's no different than AR's of different lengths and gas systems prefering shooting different grain rounds too.
I have a really unique experience with my p320. The first shot doesn't eject when shooting a mag. Just a dead trigger when firing the next round. The first and only the first shot. It runs like a dream after that and ive put four different mags in it with the same issue. Ive never had or seen and issue like this with a pistol before but needless to say i dont carry it. Still haven't figured out why it does this or what causes it.
Maybe it's ammo picky, but that's a factor too and he said it. Probably the heavy slide or heavy slide spring is the cause of it. You have to break it in or use powerful or +p ammo. I don't like the P320 anyway though.
Never owned a P320 but do own a P229, P220 and 716i snake bite. All perform exactly how it should and would use any of them to protect me and my family's life.
Thanks for talking about these things. You made me pause buying a Sig M18 and consider my other options. I really like how the M18 looks (I'm bored of black pistols). I ended up going with an optics ready M&P 2.0 in FDE which was actually cheaper with better weight, bore axis, and size. I put the Holosun 507k on top and it shoots like a dream. Thank you for being one of the only gun reviewers that is willing to call these manufacturers out when necessary.
I had a metal frame pt22. It did suck at first, but I realized that the recoil spring was very heavy for a 22lr, so I started using hot 🔥 rounds like stingers, and it worked flawlessly. Then, awhile later I backed of to a little lighter stuff with no malfunctions ever afterwards. My pt22 experience was worth it to me.
I always found it funny how the Taurus 608 is such a lemon. The things mentioned about it are all things I’ve read about. Always hear good things regarding the judge and I have some time with the model 66. Absolutely loved the model 66
The high point in larger calibers (.45 & .40) is very reliable compared to the 9mm and .380..... and I speak from experience. I would imagine that the new 10mm probably runs too.
No, HI point might fir one round, so if you are doing and execution style kill while someone is in there sleep and want to make it cheap than sure get a hi point.
I have a C9 that runs great while my neighbors C9 has a jam once every 10 rounds regardless of who is shooting it. If you have a good one it's trustworthy if you have a bad one...... well, you have a paperweight. All brands have produced poor quality guns but the rate is vastly different. Hi-Point produces guns that the majority function correctly but do you want to hang your hat on 9 out of 10 being good (giving the benefit of the doubt, I've seen statistics saying 88%) or go with say a glock that is at a rate of 99.8%, seems like a no brainer to me.
I own 4 hi point 9mms, a 45, and a 10mm. Very reliable. I've had very few issues. 2 of my 9mms are over 20yrs old and I can count on one hand the number of malfunctions I've had. My 45 only malfunctioned when trying to use the carbine mags. My 10mm has yet to malfunction. They are big and heavy with a shitty trigger. But I'm a big man with very large hands. I love em.
I had a tarus g3c for two years as my first carry gun and it was fantastic I definitely put over 1000 rounds through it in those two years and it did great I had two jams that I can recall
Same here! I have a P320 that is my duty-issue pistol and have had no issues. I also have a Carry and a subcompact. No issues, and they eat everything I put in them.
Also I’ve shot like 5 to 8 thousand round through it I also shot it as long as it would go without cleaning after a couple thousand it needed to be smacked on the butt every once and a while to fully cycle but that ain’t shit after a cleaning ran like a champ again
Yeah I have a p320 compact that came with new trigger, and a p320 x compact. Zero malfunctions on a couple thousand rounds on each. Guess I've been lucky.
The funny thing about the P320 being on here is Military Arms Channel did 1,000 rounds through one in under 15 minutes. By the end, the slide was just over 100 degrees f. The trigger was at 205. The barrel was at 300. Yet, not a single malfunction. I guess I should be happy I haven’t had any malfunctions yet either, since it’s on this list. Wouldn’t call my self a fanboi. I have 6 other pistols I really like of different brands. The 320 just happens to be one of them.
Great video! I had to subscribe to your channel. I was surprised that you have that much trouble with the 320s. I own a couple and have not had problems with either, though I no longer carry one due to the reported problems with them going off without a trigger pull.
I had an m17 and accidentally over oiled it when new, had a few malfunctions till I got the excess oil out of the gun and magazines, after that it was reliable, just decided to sell to a friend, at the time they were hard to come by.
I held my breath when you mentioned Sig and then exhaled on the model. My 229 is one of my absolute favorites but I heard enough to avoid the 320. Glad to see I made a good call on saving my money for whiskey instead…
RE: Sccy. I bought mine with the 2 mags that came with it, and then bought another 2 as well. 2 mags ran great, one had FTF every 2 shots or so, and the last was as you describe, just nothing worked reliably, including spontaneously ejecting the mag. It was also really hard to load a full 10 rounds. I compared them visually, and the one with the failure to feed issues' feed lips were rolled in on one side, like it had been bent in. A little time with the needle nose pliers, problem solved. The 4th mag, I'm pretty sure was a manufacturing error, as the corner with the mag lock notch was more rounded, like it hadn't been stamped correctly. I put a piece of keystone in a vise, and used it as a form to tap it square. Viola, solved all the problems. Nyet, pistol is fine, magazines not so much.
I was at an army/air national guard shooting competition last weekend and saw a M18 and M17 both have their rear plate and rear sight fly off during shooting 😂
Pretty simple fix. Try checking the screws that mounts it before shooting the gun, like anything else mounted to a gun...I have a M18 with the red dot, 3,000 rounds through it and ZERO issues..
@Dave Miller I'm happy for you, unfortunately what I saw last weekend isn't the only problems we've had since fielding these guns. Personally I would not use the M18 but that is my opinion
@@joelapplin88 I was 18 when I bought it and it never failed once, so what's the problem? Obviously now that I'm 34, I can afford much better firearms.
I've owned 4 different P320s since the platform has been introduced, zero issues with any of them. Rapid fire, not cleaning it and one handed, still zero issues. I feel like this guy is misinforming his audience as you can't find many videos showing P320 malfunctions that aren't solely on the user. He also may be using unreliable ammo, such as aluminum and steel case. Just my 2 cents as an actual owner and daily carrier.
What he fails to mention is that sig has probably the second best warranty in the business, with the best being hipoint. Part of why I have an issue with this video. I work in a gun store and we never get people bringing in Sigs but we constantly see M&Ps and Glocks.
My P-320 Compact is in .45 ACP and it just runs and runs. It also has a great trigger. I'm not the biggest fan of striker-fired pistols, but I shoot the 320 well.
When my P320 was brand new, sometimes the slide would not lock in the rear position after the last shot. After 200-300 shots, it was fine, and I've NEVER had any problem with it at all. I have friends with P320s, and they love theirs, too. It's an excellent weapon.
I must have gotten lucky. My stock M18 has chewed thousands of rounds of about 6 different types with zero malfunctions so far, including using 3 of the Act-Mag aftermarket 17 rd mags for half of it.
I really appreciate your honest reviews!! You never drink the brand kool aid and judge the guns strictly on how they perform. Thank you for taking the time to do this list. Your saving people money!! Its funny cuz i come across alot of these guns you mentioned in pawn shops 🤣
Something I like about honest outlaw is he assesses guns which normal people like me cannot only afford but can also justify in the budget. Strictly speaking, I can afford stuff from the fancier gun channels, for example, the HCAR, but since I’m no longer 21 years old and fresh in my first ever above minimum wage fill time job, I actually properly value money and understand the difference between being able to afford something and being able to buy something. As absolutely awesome as it would be to have a near custom-made 30-06 heavy repeater rifle brought up to modern standards, the reality is even though I do use firearms for a living, I can’t find a way to justify spending enough money to feed somebody for a year on a gun, never mind the magazines, accessories, or ammunition. Especially can’t justify it Considering my XD, AR, and Mossberg do everything needed for 1/4 the price of just one.
When I bought my VP-9, I was also considering an M18. Your 1000 round reviews of the P320 is what swayed me to go with the VP9. After seeing so many reviews where the P320 has not performed up to what is needed for a PD pistol, I am glad I listened to your advice. Shocking that it made your 10 Least Reliable Pistols list. Keep up the great reviews.
I own an M18 and I've yet to have a stoppage or malfunction on it. roughly put about 1300 rounds of various grain and brands from Winchester white box to blazer 115 grain to Fiocci 124 grain. All have been fine in the M18 and the only thing that I've found concerning is that with 124 grain +P and NATO loads there's some striker drag. Other than that nothing has made me consider not using it.
Vp9 is bomb proof as are all HK's. Thousands of rounds through mine, my friend has 20k rounds through his and it's solid. He shoots it so much the grip texture started to wear off.
@@DIYDad1 There is definitely something to say about reliability, when HK does a 90,000 round endurance test. No cleaning. No misfeeds/jamming. It would be interesting to know if any other pistol manufacturer can state similarly for their pistols.
@@burnetthopkins9583 Coming from an M&P, an already very reliable platform, I gotta say I really enjoy my HK's now, the fit, finish, and ergos are second to none. I've done my own harsh tests in the form of uspsa matches, heavy round counts in short amount of time, leaving guns out in the snow for hours, gotta say the worst malfunction I've ever had has been a stovepipe from some weak Winchester white box ammo. Some people like to bash the higher bore axis, or dated design, maybe not as cool as some of the new carry guns with optics cuts and suppressor height sights, whatever it is that's cool these days, it doesn't matter, because these platforms are tried and tested by the best engineers on the planet IMO. Yes, my fanboyism is leaking through a bit lol.
Seems like their officers need more training. I've carried a 320 and carry a 365 XL everyday. Never had any sort of negligent discharges with them, including using the wrong holster for the 320 for a while.
My first gun was a Hi-Point 9 mm and with several hundred rounds through it I've had no real malfunctions. I did have to break it in when I first bought it but that's normal. After a few shots fired every time and has been really accurate.
Interesting. we have eight 320 style weapons with a little over 27K rounds in total through them and have not had any issues in practice or matches. Most of the rounds have been just over power factor 124gr reloads. But every 124gr HST fired for practice has been good as well.
Because you are doing right by shooting hot ammo through those guns. Same with HK and Gen5 Glocks they prefer hotter ammo that’s why they can all take +P all day long. The guy in this video fires some underpowered junk ammo and he’s wondering why the gun has a FTE.
@@great_deception doesn’t negate the fact that’s it’s by far the least reliable out of any of the large company striker fire pistols. And they aren’t drop safe, go off on their own, care more about the military than you. Good luck pointing that at your junk all day 👍
When I worked at a gun range SCCY was by far the most problematic. It was worse than xds, Taurus, or even hipoint. It didn't take me long to stop trying to sugarcoat it and tell the customers their gun blows.
@@rapid13 I have one of the 45 XD's and I probably put more than 500 rounds through it and can't recall a malfunction. I just looked it up and the model I got is apparently discontinued. I think the XD-S is the same gun with a longer barrel though. That was some years back so maybe their manufacturing went down hill... no idea.
@@rapid13I had a Springfield XD-S 9 and I loved it, UNTIL winter came. I know once it gets super cold, some guns are prone to malfunction, but my XD would fail to chamber every few rounds. Same thing happened the following winter. I went out and replaced it with a Canik, then a Hellcat Pro.
@@brandonkey181 Truth is most cheap guns suck and people give them a pass because they want to feel like they didn’t get ripped off buying a Springfield XD. You’ve never shot a m18 or any other p320 so your opinion doesn’t mean shit. I’ve been there buddy. Maybe someday you’ll be able to afford a Glock 19x.
@@brandonkey181 When did you get a Glock 19x? Sure thing Mr. “can you review more budget 1911s” I can see your recent comments on this channel. Why would you buy a p320 if they’re as bad as you say, are you retarded? If a 19x was your first gun than shut your mouth you idiot. That gun came out 4 years ago and you have no idea what the hell you are talking about with only 4 years experience. Stop repeating crap you hear on the internet, makes you look like a moron.
@@Bigbossman12624 @Henry Peterson @Henry Peterson @Henry Peterson I think your daddy didn't teach you much respect. I've owned a G19x for about 2 years now and I was gifted a P320 not much later. My p320 has jammed on multiple occasions with good ammo, and my 19x has never jammed even with terrible ammo. My findings are generally consistent with what other people have found that I've talked to. Although these are the first guns I own myself, I've been shooting for a decade. You're pressed over an internet comment you dummy. PS there's nothing wrong with being interested in 1911s that are good and don't cost $1500 and up.
I find it odd the 320 is here because I don't know anyone with issues with malfunctions in general outside of the usual first break in period. I have a few and no issues other than my first couple hundred rounds would have an odd out of battery I never even had a stovepipe.
@@oskar6661 I don't think so man I have a p320 with a ton of rounds through it and no issues. No one I know has had any, not saying they don't have them because Evey gun has some.
Interesting how often experiences can vary. Dad has a 320 and buddy has a 365. Both have been completely reliable after thousands of rounds. I have a Raider that runs fine, but don't think mine counts, seeing as I built it into a .458 SOCOM thumper. 😀
I own a 320 x vtac and can assure you I’ve only ever had one malfunction with it. And it was aluminum case ammo. Probably got about 1200 rds thru mine and only 1 hiccup. It eats almost anything I feed it. +p ++p these weird smiley face tracers my buddy had laying around his ammo box for years. All sorts of hollow points. And standard range ammo. It eats up steel case. And brass is obviously flawless. I only use sig factory mags. That’s the key to most guns tho. Aftermarket mags are trash and you shouldn’t let your life depend on them. They’re range toys.
@@Longbarrel24How so? It was the the 2nd best selling hand gun of 2023 (behind the P365). I have had one since 2020, likely 4000-5000 rounds through it, and my EDC for 3 years. Never a failure. I clean my guns after every range trip and only shoot factory ammo (usually blazer and Federal). The gun is a durable as my Glock I have ever owned.
Wow so surprised about the P320! I have P320 xCarry with a zev slide and it’s my favorite, never malfunctioned thru about 53K rounds so far, until JUST last week when I noticed the front sights had moved to the right on their own. Zev said can happen if shot a lot and gets hot (do, at classes especially), and they’re replacing the slide. But as far as malfunction, zero!! Have I just been lucky??
Maybe I've got one of the good ones but my sccy has had zero issues after thousands of rounds at the range. It's a damn good carry pistol. The only complaint I have is that it's not as comfortable when shooting all day like some of my other pistols.
I own 365 and a 320 have probably 1000rds on each and no problems, I've shot a nice 43x and had it jam 3 times within 50rds which doesn't seem normal too me since a lot of people swear by glock just my experience. Not just a sig fanboy would like to get into glocks and s&w. Sucks everyone can't have good experiences with every brand like others.
@@WhyZeeMx that's why I was asking, people modify glocks trying to make them "nice" and just end up screwing up the reliability, although I personally dislike the glock single stack 9MM's anyway. Try the Gen 5 19. Very nice reliable glock
Hey Chris! I’m a long time viewer here, do you think the issues with the 320 could be a gun by gun basis? Or more of a flaw in design and it’s malfunctions are a matter of when? Not a fanboy, just a curious owner. I ask because I’ve known about your aversion to the 320 for awhile and have been cautious of mine because of that. That being said, I have yet to have a malfunction with mine and I’ve fired about 1200 rounds through it. Thanks!
As an ER RN, I've treated not one but two patients that were injured by the Sig P320 spontaneously discharging in their respective holsters. Many indoor firing ranges here in the Northeast have disclaimers prohibiting the gun from not only being used on site, but insisting that it not even be brought to the facility.
Are you sure that wasn't the ply22? the pt22 is the "updated" model. I had one for several years before I found a gunsmith to take it off my hands for $100. Fun little plinker which is why I bought it but definitely a jam-o-matic. Replaced it with a TX22 and that thing is awesome.
Had a snub nose version of the Taurus .. loved the concept. 8 shot 357 2-1/4 in barrel and it was polished so it looked great as well.. however couldn’t make it through a cylinder with out it getting out of timing
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1-There are always scammers in the comments, DO NOT respond to them.
2-Sig haters and fan bois battle it out here.
No need to battle it out, we all know you are biased against the P320 platform and prefer Glocks or CZs. As someone who carries a P320 daily and puts several hundred rounds of Winchester white box through it monthly along with my self defense rounds, I can say I trust my life with it. No malfunctions other than my big hands preventing the slide lock from engaging, which after adjusting my thumb has been remedied. I've owned several other P320s and had no issues with them either, they eat everything I've put through them with no malfunctions.
Have you tried not limp wristing?
@@frankisyourdaddy Amen brother. I enjoy his content, but man be fair and impartial.
@@jameshalfhill9919 I’m not suggesting his experience hasn’t been real, but the common thread is he’s the shooter in each case.
When I first bought my Sig M11-A1, I had issues with FTE’s and the slide locking back when the mag is empty. I had never had any issues with my P226 which is essentially the same gun but a little larger grip and slide.
I called Sig and he explained that most likely it was my grip and I was riding the slide. I made an adjustment and never had any further issues and now have about 2K rounds through the gun.
Love the content man, but yeah I will say the 320 take is interesting lol. Took it right out the box and used it on a pistol qualifying course with absolutely no issues. Haven’t had any malfunctions during range days either as of yet. It may be less reliable than for example a Glock over its lifetime, but far from completely unreliable. Carry one for work and I’d definitely stake my life on it.
Its always a sigh of relief when you don't see your own weapon on a list like this.
If you perform your own handling and do extensive research before making a purchase, you should have absolutely zero doubt that your tool isn't of the top most quality to fit your needs. At least that's my protocol on how I make a decision when it comes to buying something to protect my life and for fun.
@davidmack4185 I've been shooting Ruger firearms for just shy of 40 years, I just have a hard time looking at anything else anymore. I pick up a Ruger product for a very reasonable price. I know it's going to work flawlessly. Yeah you can spend thousands more and maybe get a slightly better off the shelf firearm, but at the end of the day, I'm no "professional " and neither are 99% of purchasers. I will say this though, I bought a cheap ($300) Savage .243 for plinking, it ended up being my go to during deer season because of its laser like accuracy, weight and 4 round capacity, great little bolt gun. Otherwise, Ruger is my go to every time.
@@winkletown8828I love Rugers. I have multiple myself. My second choice company is CZ, especially older models.
love my cz75@@DistendedPerinium
@@gaberay2903 I have a 75bd myself. Great gun.
My P320 is one of my most accurate pistols. It's so good that it practically shoots itself.
😂
Hah! “It shoots itself” 😂
Pun intended?
Love my p320 x carry but I’ll be honest. I’m not sure if I’m pulling the trigger for a follow up shot or it’s just firing. Only have about 500 rounds. Still can’t catch it when it fires. I will say it’s the most comfortable and accurate pistol I own though
never had an issue with my p320
I got a P320 it’s super accurate, but I don’t carry it. It’s a range toy only! High dollar range gun, but hey it is a sweet Firearm
I have not had any failures with my CA M18. I purchased about 2 months ago and made grip, sight, and trigger changes. Prior to shooting I disassembled, cleaned and lubricated the pistol. I then ran 100 rounds of 147 grain for break in and another 400-500 rounds of 115 grain range ammunition. Not one FTF or FTE. Not one issue. So my experience with the 320 is the same as my P365x and P365xl. A smooth running and consistent running piece. I do believe that some people have had issues, but most I have concerns about the cleaning and break in process.
I agree.
Same - 2000 rounds through mine in 3 different grip modules, many different ammo types, 0 malfunctions or failures. the new 320s are very good
Yeah i honestly think after Glock not too many people want to or go thru the cleaning process
Me too. I've fired several thousands rounds out of my own M17 with different grips and barrels and an issued 320 (M18) and I have never had an issue. Maybe I just got good ones, I don't know.
I love that you included other RUclipsrs and shooters experiences as well. Just purchased a Springfield Echelon after months of watching reviews and saw a very opinionated RUclipsr bashing it. I was waiting for the mechanical reasoning but he had none and seemed more jealous that he wasnt "gifted" one for review like others were. It came down to his personal preferences. He also gave HIS Prodigy all the love of being a "great gun" and its funny that it made your list (and many other's). Thanks again for honest content! Keep it coming!
he gives videographic evidence. cant deny his "opinion" when we see it happening as he talks about it
I also have an Echelon. Well over 1200 rounds through it in under a 2½ months now. No issues at all. I've shot 147 Grade Jello shots, +P, 115, 126 and even 98gr frangible, and that was the only time I had 1 issue. That first round FTF. But that I chalk up t0 cheap oddly made ammo. Only did it once. Love that gun. I also got a 1911 from Tisas. Cheap gun, but it shoots so damn good. No issues except the magazines are tough to load. Runs like a dream. Thought that might be on here and relieved it wasn't.
As another GunTuber says, *"Accuracy is negotiable. Reliability is not."*
True but if tour paying 1500.00 or more and get garbage then that's just sh!tty. 🤣👍🏻
That's a good quote. Who says it?
@@SouthpawZer0 Paul H?
@@manderson7173 Paul Harrell, or a different Paul?
Looks, Reliability, Durability, And Accuracy Are Not Negotiable.
Love the video as always. But I have to say I have three Sig P320’s for over 3 years and I’ve fired well over 1,000 rounds in each one and have never had 1 miss fire. I guess I’ve been fortunate 👍🏻
Nah a lot of people have had good experiences. Mine runs like a champ and eats up even the crappiest ammo without malfunctions.
I was going to post something similar. I have a 320 .45 and a m18 and they both have ran flawlessly
@@patrickelles9006 I’ve noticed this RUclipsr has a strong dislike towards the platform. It’s his opinion and I respect it ,but from all I’ve seen the 320/m17s are hard chargers
The guy limp wrist the p320 on every video he makes with it.
My 320 X compact has gone through thousands of rounds without a hiccup… 🤷🏽♂️
I had problems with the SCCY but I contacted the company and sent it into SCCY and , after two returns, it finally came back working great! It feeds everything reliably. The turn around times were short, and the staff were friendly.
But Fu** that. I'm not buying a gun just so I can ship it back to the manufacturer to be fixed.
I can word my reply a little more like a white man, Thank you for your positive comment, but nobody wants to buy a gun that needs or likely will need to be returned. Taurus was in a slump like that back in the 80s or so, and it took them 35 years to pull out of all the negative talk. However they have been building very fine quality guns for decades.
@@jimmyruger7529 imagine being so delicate you write sentences like your first one.
I would just never feel confident with a gun I’ve had to return twice. Good on ya for sticking with them if you like the company and people.
The problem is paying to ship it back to the mfr.... Just bought a RI revolver and it has to go back. 😩😩😩
WOO HOO! None of the guns I have OR want are on this list! Truly appreciate y'all takin the time to put this video together. I'm sure you've helped a lot of people save THOUSANDS on potential purchases while putting the gun manufacturers on notice that they better fix their crappy merchandise. Thanks!
😅 me too
“It’s a big bus, and there’s LOTS of room!” - Honest Outlaw
Man, THIS is why we subscribe! 😂
The only problem is there are still people that want certain individuals to sit in the back of the bus
1:30 Hi Point (in general)
3:09 Sig P320 series
4:57 Taurus 608
6:02 Angsdadt Arms MDP9
7:07 Springfield Prodigy
8:32 Fightlight Raider
9:51 Kahr CW380
10:59 SCCY CPX-2
12:26 Remington RP9
13:42 Taurus PT22
Thanks
the sig contracts are the same reason acu was adopted. someone got paid to adopt an inferior product to our troops.
Glock, 43, 17, 18, 40, 23, 22, GEN 1 Gen 2, Gen. 3, Gen 4 gen 5, gen 6, 7, 8, and Gen ?????. All cheap plastic junk. Made with recycled lego blocks. By Fisher Price toy company.
@@cagneybillingsley2165 You realize that if Glock was chosen, they'd have to jam a safety and plate system that Sig has to, right?
@@cagneybillingsley2165 that sounds about right for our government. Nothing but a bunch of crooks! 🦅🇺🇸
Thanks! You really help me make important life or death decisions.sorry to say it that way but it's true when you think about it
When I got back into handguns years ago, I made choices based on cost. It didn't take me long to figure out you get what you pay for. Now all of the turds are gone. I still look for deals, but only on quality pistols. I was relieved that I did not own anything from the Top Ten Worst list. Continue to keep it real & keep it Honest, Outlaw.
what brands are your quality pistols?
When you shoot a minimum of 300rds per day in pistol, price point of the pistol doesn't really matter that much.
Reliability, ergonomics, trigger feel/reset, accuracy, magazine availability matter more.
@@Diabolus_Musica Actually, I do own a Canik METE. One of the best triggers I have ever shot. I never intended to come off as a gun snob, but I've owned some budget handguns that don't hold a candle to the Canik METE. Firearms, like ammo has come a long way in the last decade. Take care.
@@anthonysamuel143 There many quality company's that make pistols/rifles. You have Glock, S&W, HK, FN,CZ, IWI, etc. to name a few. I've never had issues with my Sig P320. And at one point was considering it to be my ccw. However, I went with a G48 for ccw. It's why I like when a reviewer does a 1000 round or more, before giving their review. The issues with said pistol will reveal itself after a 1000 rounds or less. Also someone mentioned Canik which is another good company. And affordable too.
@@LRRPFco52 Lucky you, I wish I could afford to go through 300rds a day. I agree with your reliability, ergonomics, etc. comment. In my experience, I haven't been able to get all that in an inexpensive firearm. I didn't have to spend up too much more to get closer to your list. Thanks for your comment.
I was given a Hipoint C9. After extensively refitting all the poorly machined parts I ran 1100 rnds without a malfunction. This is still the most uncomfortable pistol to shoot that I own, heavy, too much barrel jump, and accurate as a rock tossed blindfolded. Such a wonderful boat anchor, yet a good truck gun. Never have to worry, no one will knowingly steal it.
I found a tackle box in about 5 foot of water while fishing once. Inside was a bunch of rusty hooks and a highpoint 380. I shit you not. The very first round didn't work but everything after that fired haha. I was pretty surprised because from the look of the hooks. It had been underwater for awhile.
@@zacharystuart7162 wth i've found a lot of knives while fishing on the shores of lake michigan, but never a gun lol
@@brtecson I live in Texas 😂
@@zacharystuart7162 oh.. now it makes sense🤣
The C9 is heavy and a little cumbersome. After the 20 rounds I adjusted the rear sight and have had no trouble with the gun since. I'm very happy with it. Serves it's purpose for buying very well.
Often times the most disfunctional part of a gun is the mag in my experience. Never skimp on your magazines.
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That’s why the ar-15 is king and the ar-18 is a dead platform
@@RUSTYCHEVYTRUCK I disagree. The model is dead; the platform is not. The M27IAR (itself a variant of the HK416) the Marines are using? Where do you think that action came from?
The AR didn’t get the axe after early experiences in Vietnam because one of the world’s largest militaries went all in on it without really ironing out the bugs. They refined it until it worked because they HAD to make it work. It continues to live on largely because of modularity. Had the Stoner 63 or AR-18 been trialed concurrently with the AR-15 for the US military, there’s a decent chance the AR-15 would’ve lost out.
@@jtgnc7529 I know the design influenced a Ton of guns but the platform itself is dead
@@jtgnc7529 my Kodiak wk-180c and all the Canuck variant owners would agree with you
Thanks, I appreciate your honesty, bluntness, and experience. It is refreshing
bruce tucson
When I purchased my Prodigy about 5 months ago, I had FTF and FTE. I sent it back to Springfield Armory and when they returned it back to me, it now runs flawlessly. It runs like a champion! It is one of my favorite firearms to carry to the range. It's a keeper!
He doesn't say if he sent them back and if the companies fixed the issues thats a big part of making a list like this.
@@pwrplnt1975 Yup, reliability of the company is almost as important as reliability of the gun.
Well, except for expecting a new pistol from a major manu to work out of the box that's good news
I pick mine up in a week I hope it runs cause man 1600 might be cheap for some but that’s expensive for a vet who is living on disability
@@xXSPADEGGWell it’d be nice to not need to send a gun back for it to function properly but maybe I’m crazy.
I just purchased a Springfield prodigy and have ran about 2000 round through with a total of 3 malfunctions the first 3 mags. After, no issues at all. Great shooting platform.
Same here I have about 2-3k rounds in mine (5inch version) and only had an issue with the 17 rd mag but it never jammed or misfired on me
I had my P320 X-Compact ZEV for over 3 years now, I never had malfunctions, I’m over 5,000 rounds now and it still works like a champ. 😎
320 owner here, about 2000 round and 2 year owner, no issues yet either 👌
Glock 19 owner here,
I've had mine for 13 years now and I've out over 238,000 rounds through it without a single failure or malfunction, and I haven't replaced a single part. I've run a myriad of different rounds, both spicy and standard. No issues.
Let me know when you reach that round count.
I'm kidding. Lol
I had a hard time deciding between a Sig and Glock, but I ended up with the G19 1 1/2 years ago. I love it, but I have a few friends and a brother that own Sigs, and they're great. They're fun to shoot and look amazing. I'll own a few someday.
sweet I just got one today lol
Never had any issues with my P320 X
@@PacNorWes You’ve spent $84,000 on ammo?
I have a Prodigy, Gun shop got it in April, I got it in late May. After 1st 400 rounds, 3 failure to go into battery. I cleaned it, the next 600 rounds 0 issues 0 failures
I’ve never had a problem with mine, but I have the second gen. I have over 1000 rounds and still haven’t cleaned it, zero issues. Yesterday I mag dumped 12 mags, 6 20rd, 6 26rd not 1 single malfunction.
Put 400 rounds through mine in less than about 2 hrs 0 malfunctions, used factory 20 rd mags
@@clydezackery_hootie26 I have a 5” and 4.25 comp. Not a single issue with 5 inch but on the 4.25 there was Cerakote on the breach face that wasn’t allowing the slide to go into battery. I cleaned it off and polished it and there’s not a single issue with it.
I had a p365 that had 12 ftrtb in the first 200 rounds and occasionally happened after that (so far 2k rounds). It does happen
My Hi-Point 40 is a boat anchor, it sits in my hand like I’m carrying a brick, the recoil is horrible, but it got me into the shooting game and it has a place in my heart. It also now operates reliably after 20 years of use. I still take it with me when I go plinking, but I take my good guns too.
The high point is a lot like someone’s first girlfriend….first time was fun bud damn did they move up😂
Exactly how I feel about my high point. Yes it's kind of a piece of shit but I got it at a pawn shop for 75 dollars and got alot of range time with it. I dont even take it to the range these days but it will always have a place in my safe.
I have a Sig P 320 and I guess I am fortunate. I have never had a problem with it. I have shot thousands of rounds through it and had no troubles so far. Just a note after I have had it at the range I clean it thoroughly.
Same here. Best poly pistol ive ever had.
I haven't cleaned my P320 V-Tac in over 700 rounds suppressed. Still runs like a top. 👍🏾
I ran a thousand rounds through mine without cleaning her and she didn't have one issue. Just lucky with the gun I got.
Same here man! I switched from Glock 19 to my M18 haven't had one issue.
@@mr_unsane you must have never shot a walther
About four thousand rounds into my Prodigy, no failures with factory ammo. Shot it’s first match today, USPSA, no failures, gun was flawless. Several shooters wanted to know about it and try it because all they heard was that they suck. They don’t all suck.
Super informative video. Your sense of humor is the top of the food chain, and was always relevant to your narrative. Excellent channel!
I absolutely love your honesty. As a veteran, I was issued the cheapest crap out there and it was often hand me downs, (M60 with no rifling left, lol). But, again, honesty is literally gold. Why be a fanboy of a firearm and provide good reviews when in fact, throwing the handgun…or using it as a short bludgeoning device, is safer and more effective. I am by far not an expert, but I have a fair amount of experience and sometimes, a turd is a turd!
I had to really brace myself for the rest of this after hipoint was at the top of the list
I bought a P320 M17 used at my LGS. No clue how many rounds went through it. Never cleaned it when I got it and took it home. Since then roughly 2 years ago I've probably put nearly 1K rounds through it with honestly less than routine cleanings and I've only ever had 1 malfunction. I'd heard complaints about it online, but never anything in person. This is very interesting.
Yea, my M17 is 100 percent reliable, and my 320 customworks spectre xcarry is a PHENOMENAL pistol with 100 percent reliability. I don't know what these guys are smoking, but they even showed the customworks in this video and talked about it like its not reliable. Straight garbage video. I turned it off after that. Clearly they dont know what they are talking about by putting the HIPoint as more reliable than a SIG 320 Customworks XCarry. mind blown.
I'm at 5k in my M17 using norma brass and Blazer aluminum. Only malfunction was induced by thumbing the slide in an awkward position.
Yep same with me maybe 1k+ and a couple malfunctions only and that could be do to the ammo. I sold that and now have the 365 subcompact and adore it.
The only trouble I've had out of my Sig P320 M18 was a FTF. It was white box Winchester. I actually had two FTF's out of a 100 box. I rechambered one and it fired the second time around.
All these variations in reliability sound like a manufacturing QC problem!
OMG, I love your reviews. I was a LEO for years and shot a number of different revolvers and pistols, but I have purchased pistols which you have have recommended. I am a confirmed Colt and Wilson gun nut, but I like reliable cheap guns too. I carried a Colt 1911 from Vietnam thru Desert Storm. I still have a fondness for my old Colt 1911 and it shoots great, but I like a 2011's too. Keep up the great work, and keep on shooting and reviewing.
Just rented a P320 X5 legion at the range today. had to sideline my own pistol and keep buying ammo for the x5, it shot so good. not a single malfunction either. I'm petty sold on buying one for a range toy. stacking a zone hits at 25 yards no problem. awesome piece
CZ shadow 2
@@dilldowschwagginz2674 you wasted your comment most likely. A shadow 2, ts 2, Accushadow, etc all shit all over the x5. I'd bet even a P09 with a CGW hammer and assorted small parts would make it look bad.
@Ashley Weeks probably because cz fan boys are easily the most annoying and normal people don't want to be associated with them. Also they're ugly as shit.
I got a taurus millennium G2 I found at a gun show for $198. Good gun. Took it to the range and ran 500 rounds through pretty quick only had 2 hang ups. That’s good it was straight out of the box to the range.
Hoping to see you review some of the Ruger Marlin lever actions.
Yes
My Prodigy 4.25-inch has had no malfunctions or problems thus far in my initial 100 rounds through it.
Oh man. I inherited a Kahr CW45 from my Dad when he passed away, and I liked it so much I ordered a Kahr all steel variant in 9mm. I’ve never liked that gun as much as I wanted to make myself like it, and seeing the Kahr on this list validated those feelings 😂
I have had my Sig Sauer M18 for over 2 years now and it has never malfunctiond super reliable pistol.
I have the SCCY CPX-2 and also had MAJOR problems with it not extracting properly. However it has worked flawlessly with S&B ammo.
I too have a SCCY CPX-2. Bought it cheap at a pawn store. Never really had any issue with it being picky with ammo, but does tend to have quite a few light primer strikes. I can usually get the round to fire on a second trigger pull though. I also put the light trigger pull kit in and reduced the pull from @ 8lbs to @ 4lbs. Just doing that cheap mod made it more accurate. I was using it as my carry for a lil while, but now I use my SAR 9X Platinum.... Talk about a smooth firing gun...I love that thing...
I bought an orange one just for camp cleanup with CCI #12 shot for snakes when I'm kayak camping. Works just fine. If I drop it I can find it. If I lose it I can walk away.
I have the Gen 2 Prodigy. Absolutely zero malfunctions in 4500 rounds. Keep it lubed and it runs like a scalded dog. It's my number one race gun. My custom G34 is now in 3rd place behind the Prodigy (#1) and the Canik Rival with the Taylor Freelance Weight kit (#2).
The first gun I bought was a CPX-2. Knew what I was getting into. Long story short I sent it back to SCCY for a repair. They replaced the trigger assembly. It ran through 1000 rounds without a single issue.
One of my best friends dads ones a CPX-1 and him and his son both own a CPX-2 and they swear by them… I’m not brave enough to buy one tho, I’ll stick to my Glock 19x lmao
I've got a CPX-2 with a lighter trigger and don't have problems with reliability when using the proper ammo. That long trigger pull though. It's a back up gun.
I bought a CPX2RD for less than 300 I thought it'd be a good way to see if I liked a red dot on a pistol. That's the worst pistol I've ever owned hands down. The optic quit before I ever even fired it and it's never ran a full magazine without a failure.
@@BM205 Polish the ramp and use Remington white top and it will feed very reliably. Still a piece of crap though because of that long long long country walk to the mailbox trigger pull.
@@greggc8088 wish it were that simple. When you quickly squeeze the trigger it will fire most of the time but pull it slowly and it freezes then goes off when you release it most times. I need to send it back but truthfully I'm not even sure where it is.
Can you imagine if one day HiPoint was just like "Here's the 2.0" and literally all of it's flaws are gone? People would lose their minds.
I truly did not expect a revolver to make this list, Taurus really made the 608 their little exception.
I have a 608 and it not only is dead reliable but will put shoot the last colt python I owned. Don't get me wrong, I generally hate Taurus but sometimes even Taurus gets it right.
Gangbanged "spray and pray". Taurus owners "aim and pray", that the damned thing actually works...revolver or pistol.
Revolvers aren't more reliable than semi-autos. That is just a myth spread by old timers afraid of change or learning something new.
I also have a 608. Works great single action. But I get that slightly more than occasional timing mishap shooting double action.
@@bobailanjian3700 Can't speak for the revolvers, have actually avoided them just in case....but, the 5 or so G series pistols I have shot and/or owned have been solid performers. Literally every bit as reliable as my Glock 19, M&P 2.0 Compact, or my HK VP9 Tactical.
The finish doesn't hold up as well, but the gun hasn't started to rust or anything. I cant be mad at that for a gun that costs less than half what the others do, is optic ready, and double strike capable. I use a G3 TORO as my hiking/biking/camping gun, so It sees a lot of sweat, water, and dirt while getting banged around the most.
I’m so happy no one is really butt hurt about his opinion of the p320 instead just sharing their great experiences. My 320 has run flawlessly but everyone is different.
I own 4 P320s and at my gun range we have 3 for rent. Neither one have had a single gun related issue. The discharging that Sig has corrected is one thing, however, the 320s are incredibly reliable by my experience.
Carried the 226 for almost 15 years, just switched to the m17 last year and almost love it as much as the 226. Only stove pipes I've had was from reloads.
im with you here! i own 4 as well x5 legion, m18, .45 and spectre x and at no time out of the thousands of rounds i shot(250 rounds weekly) have i had a failure to cycle, extract or stove pipe. the ammo tends to be the fail point if there is a misfire. primer strike and no boom
Sig having end users being beta testers is the main issue I have with them today
I’ve got several 229’s that I love. I finally have a reliable 365 that I even waited 2yrs before I purchasing. The 320 I have no desire for over CZ or Glock options
Sig didn’t do themselves any favors in the fuddlore department. It’s their own fault but there’s also pretty reliable sources showing their failures
I have the same experience with my M18. The only time I've seen it fail is when it's limp wristed. My GF can make it fail every single time. Interestingly, she uses the same grip with her p365 with zero issues.
Own 3x p320s myself (x5 legion, customworks axg and an m18).
Outside of a few stovepipes on the x5 legion during the break in period with an under sprung recoil spring. No issues with factory ammo. It's the cheap junk stuff that gives the guns problems.
Sig is cheap made aluminum, that scratches easily, and the finish wears off with a pencil eraser, but mine never malfunctioned after running 1000 rounds tru it.
Regarding the CPX-2, I'm guessing I just got lucky because I bought one when I was very crunched on money, but I put about 300 rounds through it and didn't have a single hiccup or fail. I guess I was one of the rare buyers that never had an issue, but my aunt also carries one and she has put a few hundred round through hers as well without any issue. Not saying it's good, just giving you another perspective on it. Love your content!!!! Keep up the great work, love your videos!!!!!!!!!! You have definitely helped me stay away from a lot of mistakes I was about to male lol. Thank you again for the effort you put into being an awesome gun reviewer.
I've put about 500 rounds through my sccy and not one failure
People love to bash Glock 24/7 but I've used one for over 5 years and it has never failed me.
Click on everything from this channel,best guntuber
I have the hi-point .380, I had issues with it when I first got it. I put some time in polishing and greasing it and haven't had an issue with it since. It's not my only hi-point I also have a carbine with about 30,000 rounds through it, I will say it's not the best but will work no matter how dirty it got.
Go buy a different gun dude 😂 those are literally pieces of shit
I was a little surprised to see the 608 on there. I have had mine for like 12 years and have no clue how many rounds I have through it. It has always been a joy to shoot, and no matter how many rounds of any brand and reloads, 38spl or 357 I shoot it always eats them up with never a single malfunction of any kind. It has also been very accurate. So I was surprised when I heard that one and your experience with one
I've had mine for at least that long and have never had one single problem with it, nor have I ever heard anyone besides this guy say anything at all negative about 608.
I'm sure he's got a lemon
I've only owned my 608 for a couple of years now with a few hundred rounds through it. No issues and no complaints.
I got mine when they first came out back in 1997. Over 25 years and hundreds of rounds through it and never had an issue.
I bought my 608 almost since it first came out. First load of ammo cylinder locked up... was afraid i wasted my money! But I found out that the primer from my reloaded ammo had blown out of the pocket and got jammed. after that... no issues at all! in fact I bought it's big the matching 44 mag.
Everyone is entitled to their opinion and no one can take it away from you. I will stipulate that you have had malfunctions while using the P320 as it’s your experience and your presentation. I have 4 320 models. 3.6” compact, 2 3.9” Spectre X Compacts and the full size M17. The compacts have been my EDC and duty weapon for several years. I have well over 20,000 rounds through them all combined and have had ONE ammo related malfunction. Again, just as yours, one man’s opinion. I enjoy your content. Be safe and keep it up!
It's been my experience with the SCCY that most of its problems stem from it never being broken down at the factory and de-burred. 30 minutes with a file, clean and oil, it becomes a low-cost, very reliable 9m hand gun for self-defense!
I COMPLETELY agree with you. I would even extend past just the SCCY and into a lot of other brands. It seems like there arent a lot of true shooters out there that will take the time to "tune" (probably the wrong term) or go through their factory gun to "slick things up". Its almost like most people are scared to go through with some abrasive cloth/fine files to clean everything up. Whenever I get a new toy, I disassemble it, feel for any burrs/roughness, clean those spots up, lube it and go shoot it. Havent had any real problems that couldnt be fixed by doing that.
No joke though it's extremely snappy for a 9mm though really good build I'd rather use it with .380+P better follow on shots
ive had two. first thing i did was go to town polishing all the internals and spring kits from Mcarbo. were pleasant to shoot and i never had issues.
100 percent agree Granted I am running the CPX-1 instead of the CPX-2 But It's a quality handgun after you give it the TLC it needs
Cope.
I qualified on the M17 for the first time a month ago. I shot 45 rounds that day and had 6 malfunctions. Half of us had at least one malfunction. I don't remember ever seeing the M9 fail.
Beretta M9 is like a machine. Just chugs along. You might hate the grip. Or the looks. Or whatever. But you cannot hate the reliability.
Sig best products are their 229,226, and 220
M9's had a lot of issues early on. The M17/18 is imho the M9 mk.2 in terms of how stuff is going down complete with similar recalls and failures.
Also, military service weapons are made to a lower standard and see much more use and abuse. Judge both them M9 and M17/18 based on their brand new forms first then judge their resilience later.
Damn that sucks. I swear sig sucked someone off for all those contracts they got in the last 5 years
I own the M17 and a P320 chambered in 45 and was issued the M9 back when I was in. The M9's slide is sloppy as fuck. neither of my sigs have had any malfunctions. Now my brother in laws M18 has stove piped a bunch of times when we were shooting together on fourth of July. We were using 115 grain steel cased but for some reason the M18 didn't like it. But it's no different than AR's of different lengths and gas systems prefering shooting different grain rounds too.
Great list, I always love your honesty in your videos, Thank you
I have a really unique experience with my p320. The first shot doesn't eject when shooting a mag. Just a dead trigger when firing the next round. The first and only the first shot. It runs like a dream after that and ive put four different mags in it with the same issue. Ive never had or seen and issue like this with a pistol before but needless to say i dont carry it. Still haven't figured out why it does this or what causes it.
The Sig was suprising, I have 6 320 from a carry to a Legion and have never had any issues. Absolutely love them.
Maybe it's ammo picky, but that's a factor too and he said it. Probably the heavy slide or heavy slide spring is the cause of it. You have to break it in or use powerful or +p ammo. I don't like the P320 anyway though.
same i compete with a legion and run cheap blazer through it on local matches and never once had an issue for the last 3.5 years.
@@AKn4lf Never had an issue with my M18 and Blazer 124gr ammo.
My P320 X-Compact eats anything and has never once malfunctioned in 3 yrs. Nor has my Legion 10mm.
Same, got thousands of rounds through my 320 and it's only ever malfunctioned on me once after I hadn't cleaned it in awhile
Never owned a P320 but do own a P229, P220 and 716i snake bite. All perform exactly how it should and would use any of them to protect me and my family's life.
My P229 is probably the most reliable gun in my inventory.
@@PorscheSpeedster-kz6nc Sig Hammer fire for the win.
Thanks for talking about these things. You made me pause buying a Sig M18 and consider my other options. I really like how the M18 looks (I'm bored of black pistols). I ended up going with an optics ready M&P 2.0 in FDE which was actually cheaper with better weight, bore axis, and size. I put the Holosun 507k on top and it shoots like a dream.
Thank you for being one of the only gun reviewers that is willing to call these manufacturers out when necessary.
I had a metal frame pt22. It did suck at first, but I realized that the recoil spring was very heavy for a 22lr, so I started using hot 🔥 rounds like stingers, and it worked flawlessly. Then, awhile later I backed of to a little lighter stuff with no malfunctions ever afterwards. My pt22 experience was worth it to me.
I always found it funny how the Taurus 608 is such a lemon. The things mentioned about it are all things I’ve read about. Always hear good things regarding the judge and I have some time with the model 66. Absolutely loved the model 66
The high point in larger calibers (.45 & .40) is very reliable compared to the 9mm and .380..... and I speak from experience. I would imagine that the new 10mm probably runs too.
No, HI point might fir one round, so if you are doing and execution style kill while someone is in there sleep and want to make it cheap than sure get a hi point.
I have a C9 that runs great while my neighbors C9 has a jam once every 10 rounds regardless of who is shooting it. If you have a good one it's trustworthy if you have a bad one...... well, you have a paperweight. All brands have produced poor quality guns but the rate is vastly different. Hi-Point produces guns that the majority function correctly but do you want to hang your hat on 9 out of 10 being good (giving the benefit of the doubt, I've seen statistics saying 88%) or go with say a glock that is at a rate of 99.8%, seems like a no brainer to me.
@@cobygogarty7365 tell me you have never fired a gun without telling me you have never fired a gun
I was about to say...I've seen the Demolotion Ranch video. That was insane.
@@cobygogarty7365 Hi Points are very reliable and will always go bang when you need it to. This guy doesn't know what he is talking about.
I own 4 hi point 9mms, a 45, and a 10mm. Very reliable. I've had very few issues. 2 of my 9mms are over 20yrs old and I can count on one hand the number of malfunctions I've had. My 45 only malfunctioned when trying to use the carbine mags. My 10mm has yet to malfunction. They are big and heavy with a shitty trigger. But I'm a big man with very large hands. I love em.
I NEVER purchase a weapon until I listen to Chris!!!!
I had a tarus g3c for two years as my first carry gun and it was fantastic I definitely put over 1000 rounds through it in those two years and it did great I had two jams that I can recall
Interesting about the sig.
I have a gen 1 that had the recall fix applied. Not a single issue. It eats any ammo I feed it. Fascinating. Great vid!
Same here! I have a P320 that is my duty-issue pistol and have had no issues. I also have a Carry and a subcompact. No issues, and they eat everything I put in them.
I find that my Sig P320 is more reliable than my Glock 19.
Same 1 st gen after fix
Also I’ve shot like 5 to 8 thousand round through it I also shot it as long as it would go without cleaning after a couple thousand it needed to be smacked on the butt every once and a while to fully cycle but that ain’t shit after a cleaning ran like a champ again
Yeah I have a p320 compact that came with new trigger, and a p320 x compact. Zero malfunctions on a couple thousand rounds on each. Guess I've been lucky.
Remington should be featured heavily in this video…
They actually make pistols?
@@rascoehunter3608 not sure if you’re being sarcastic or not but yes, technically they do. RP9, RP45, R51…
@@rascoehunter3608 Military Arms Channel has covered the Remington turds extensively
Other honorable mentions.
Phoenix arms
Cobra pistols
Lorcin pistols
Ruger Lcp 22LR
Jiminez arms
@@michaelsweaney3890 I’d add the Zip22 and the S333 Thunderstruck
The funny thing about the P320 being on here is Military Arms Channel did 1,000 rounds through one in under 15 minutes. By the end, the slide was just over 100 degrees f. The trigger was at 205. The barrel was at 300. Yet, not a single malfunction. I guess I should be happy I haven’t had any malfunctions yet either, since it’s on this list. Wouldn’t call my self a fanboi. I have 6 other pistols I really like of different brands. The 320 just happens to be one of them.
My m17 has never jammed or failed to eject so far, but I know it probably will eventually. They really are fun guns to shoot!
Same. Mine has been flawless.
I have 6000 plus through mine. primarily with lahab 124 gn subsonic and I have never ever had 1 problem.
@@neilpetersen5287 I’ve used primarily Sig 124gr and Winchester 124gr NATO.
Just don’t drop the civilian gun.
My 3 different model p320s, run flawless and I shoot.
Great video! I had to subscribe to your channel. I was surprised that you have that much trouble with the 320s. I own a couple and have not had problems with either, though I no longer carry one due to the reported problems with them going off without a trigger pull.
I had an m17 and accidentally over oiled it when new, had a few malfunctions till I got the excess oil out of the gun and magazines, after that it was reliable, just decided to sell to a friend, at the time they were hard to come by.
I appreciate the time, money, and effort you put into these videos. It’s helped a lot. Much love brother.
I held my breath when you mentioned Sig and then exhaled on the model. My 229 is one of my absolute favorites but I heard enough to avoid the 320. Glad to see I made a good call on saving my money for whiskey instead…
RE: Sccy.
I bought mine with the 2 mags that came with it, and then bought another 2 as well. 2 mags ran great, one had FTF every 2 shots or so, and the last was as you describe, just nothing worked reliably, including spontaneously ejecting the mag. It was also really hard to load a full 10 rounds. I compared them visually, and the one with the failure to feed issues' feed lips were rolled in on one side, like it had been bent in. A little time with the needle nose pliers, problem solved.
The 4th mag, I'm pretty sure was a manufacturing error, as the corner with the mag lock notch was more rounded, like it hadn't been stamped correctly. I put a piece of keystone in a vise, and used it as a form to tap it square. Viola, solved all the problems.
Nyet, pistol is fine, magazines not so much.
I was at an army/air national guard shooting competition last weekend and saw a M18 and M17 both have their rear plate and rear sight fly off during shooting 😂
That’s poor maintenance period.
that's not the gun's fault
Pretty simple fix. Try checking the screws that mounts it before shooting the gun, like anything else mounted to a gun...I have a M18 with the red dot, 3,000 rounds through it and ZERO issues..
Easily preventable, and I have seen other brands have their optics come flying off thanks to the owners mistake.
@Dave Miller I'm happy for you, unfortunately what I saw last weekend isn't the only problems we've had since fielding these guns. Personally I would not use the M18 but that is my opinion
I had a 9mm hipoint carbine about 16 years ago. Surprisingly, I never had a single malfunction for a gun that cost me $180
Couldn’t imagine shooting hundreds of Dollars in ammo through a hi-point
@@joelapplin88 I was 18 when I bought it and it never failed once, so what's the problem? Obviously now that I'm 34, I can afford much better firearms.
@@Jaime7188 cool. Got a twin sister?
Hipoint carbines are pretty decent for what you pay. And I'm a bit of a gun snob. I respect anything that works as intended.
@@mattmarzula is your mom hot?
Thank you for always being honest, other videos on firearms depend on who pays the persons bills! Keep them coming!
Hi Chris, I’ve got M17 for five years and so far 0 issues, put through different typography self defense and different grains. 0 FTF & FTE
Same, all my guns have been reliable so far S&W and sig p320 p365.
I've owned 4 different P320s since the platform has been introduced, zero issues with any of them. Rapid fire, not cleaning it and one handed, still zero issues. I feel like this guy is misinforming his audience as you can't find many videos showing P320 malfunctions that aren't solely on the user. He also may be using unreliable ammo, such as aluminum and steel case. Just my 2 cents as an actual owner and daily carrier.
I’ve had mine for 3 years and put at least 3k rounds through it, only had one hiccup due to not having the mag seated properly.
A single shot shot version, CA320, has been thoroughly tested without any issues but people still claim it’s not drop safe.
Fabrique Nationale. Doesnt know what drop firing is maybe sig can teach us all
I guess I got lucky with my 320. It’s been more reliable than the rest of my several semi auto handguns.
What he fails to mention is that sig has probably the second best warranty in the business, with the best being hipoint. Part of why I have an issue with this video. I work in a gun store and we never get people bringing in Sigs but we constantly see M&Ps and Glocks.
My P-320 Compact is in .45 ACP and it just runs and runs. It also has a great trigger. I'm not the biggest fan of striker-fired pistols, but I shoot the 320 well.
@@gormonkmy p320's never had problems
@@jackomalley3687 They likely never will. And even if they do..... Lifetime warranty anyway.
I haven’t cleaned my m18 since I got it. 1000+ rounds. Still running!!!
No way, bro! You’re just limp wristing them….. :)
Great video! Godspeed to you both!
When my P320 was brand new, sometimes the slide would not lock in the rear position after the last shot. After 200-300 shots, it was fine, and I've NEVER had any problem with it at all. I have friends with P320s, and they love theirs, too. It's an excellent weapon.
All 1911 styles are sensitive to magazines, feed ramp, and bullet cone. It was originally designed only for .45 ACP ball ammo.
True and the .45 is inherently cursed for not feeding well in general.
JMB stated its best to use ball type 230gr ammunition in 1911s.
I must have gotten lucky. My stock M18 has chewed thousands of rounds of about 6 different types with zero malfunctions so far, including using 3 of the Act-Mag aftermarket 17 rd mags for half of it.
I really appreciate your honest reviews!! You never drink the brand kool aid and judge the guns strictly on how they perform. Thank you for taking the time to do this list. Your saving people money!! Its funny cuz i come across alot of these guns you mentioned in pawn shops 🤣
Something I like about honest outlaw is he assesses guns which normal people like me cannot only afford but can also justify in the budget. Strictly speaking, I can afford stuff from the fancier gun channels, for example, the HCAR, but since I’m no longer 21 years old and fresh in my first ever above minimum wage fill time job, I actually properly value money and understand the difference between being able to afford something and being able to buy something.
As absolutely awesome as it would be to have a near custom-made 30-06 heavy repeater rifle brought up to modern standards, the reality is even though I do use firearms for a living, I can’t find a way to justify spending enough money to feed somebody for a year on a gun, never mind the magazines, accessories, or ammunition. Especially can’t justify it Considering my XD, AR, and Mossberg do everything needed for 1/4 the price of just one.
Love your videos. Quite often hilarious and always very informative. Thank you very much!
When I bought my VP-9, I was also considering an M18. Your 1000 round reviews of the P320 is what swayed me to go with the VP9. After seeing so many reviews where the P320 has not performed up to what is needed for a PD pistol, I am glad I listened to your advice. Shocking that it made your 10 Least Reliable Pistols list. Keep up the great reviews.
I've got my eyes on a VP9 or a USP.40 compact but South Africa doesn't have support for them so I'm making do with my VP70Z for now
I own an M18 and I've yet to have a stoppage or malfunction on it. roughly put about 1300 rounds of various grain and brands from Winchester white box to blazer 115 grain to Fiocci 124 grain. All have been fine in the M18 and the only thing that I've found concerning is that with 124 grain +P and NATO loads there's some striker drag. Other than that nothing has made me consider not using it.
Vp9 is bomb proof as are all HK's. Thousands of rounds through mine, my friend has 20k rounds through his and it's solid. He shoots it so much the grip texture started to wear off.
@@DIYDad1 There is definitely something to say about reliability, when HK does a 90,000 round endurance test. No cleaning. No misfeeds/jamming. It would be interesting to know if any other pistol manufacturer can state similarly for their pistols.
@@burnetthopkins9583 Coming from an M&P, an already very reliable platform, I gotta say I really enjoy my HK's now, the fit, finish, and ergos are second to none. I've done my own harsh tests in the form of uspsa matches, heavy round counts in short amount of time, leaving guns out in the snow for hours, gotta say the worst malfunction I've ever had has been a stovepipe from some weak Winchester white box ammo. Some people like to bash the higher bore axis, or dated design, maybe not as cool as some of the new carry guns with optics cuts and suppressor height sights, whatever it is that's cool these days, it doesn't matter, because these platforms are tried and tested by the best engineers on the planet IMO. Yes, my fanboyism is leaking through a bit lol.
The biggest city in the state I live in is ditching the P320 for Glocks.
noooooooooo!!!!!
That’s a good thing. Means they understood Glock is still the king after all 😂
@@WaterZer0 there were a few officers injured by unintentional discharge. I’d still love a 365 XL tho.
Seems like their officers need more training. I've carried a 320 and carry a 365 XL everyday. Never had any sort of negligent discharges with them, including using the wrong holster for the 320 for a while.
@@02LM7 What city, I don’t believe you one bit. If some serviceman had this type of failure it would be front page and a lawsuit.
My first gun was a Hi-Point 9 mm and with several hundred rounds through it I've had no real malfunctions. I did have to break it in when I first bought it but that's normal. After a few shots fired every time and has been really accurate.
Ive had a lot of fun with mine. No real issues, but you can't limp wrist it or it may jam.
The fixed barrel really helps its accuracy.
“Comes in 9mm..maybe other calibers, I’m unsure and I don’t care” was funny hahaha
Interesting. we have eight 320 style weapons with a little over 27K rounds in total through them and have not had any issues in practice or matches.
Most of the rounds have been just over power factor 124gr reloads. But every 124gr HST fired for practice has been good as well.
Because you are doing right by shooting hot ammo through those guns. Same with HK and Gen5 Glocks they prefer hotter ammo that’s why they can all take +P all day long. The guy in this video fires some underpowered junk ammo and he’s wondering why the gun has a FTE.
same for me however i run all 115 grain with zero issues through my 4 320's. my round count is a bit over 15,000 through them equally.
@@great_deception doesn’t negate the fact that’s it’s by far the least reliable out of any of the large company striker fire pistols. And they aren’t drop safe, go off on their own, care more about the military than you. Good luck pointing that at your junk all day 👍
Never had an issue with the ones that I have either.
Glad the 226 wasn't sigs issue
When I worked at a gun range SCCY was by far the most problematic. It was worse than xds, Taurus, or even hipoint. It didn't take me long to stop trying to sugarcoat it and tell the customers their gun blows.
I love how the XDs shoot but don’t own one. Are they poor in reliability?
@@rapid13 I have one of the 45 XD's and I probably put more than 500 rounds through it and can't recall a malfunction. I just looked it up and the model I got is apparently discontinued. I think the XD-S is the same gun with a longer barrel though. That was some years back so maybe their manufacturing went down hill... no idea.
@@rapid13I had a Springfield XD-S 9 and I loved it, UNTIL winter came. I know once it gets super cold, some guns are prone to malfunction, but my XD would fail to chamber every few rounds. Same thing happened the following winter. I went out and replaced it with a Canik, then a Hellcat Pro.
@@rapid13 I have an XD, I've had no problems from the gun or it's mags. It might not be the most accurate but it has always worked for me.
Well the SCCY is designed by a guy that doesn't know what a gun is.
My p320 x5 runs like a champ with all sorts of ammo!
in optimal conditions yes
@@brandonkey181 Truth is most cheap guns suck and people give them a pass because they want to feel like they didn’t get ripped off buying a Springfield XD. You’ve never shot a m18 or any other p320 so your opinion doesn’t mean shit.
I’ve been there buddy. Maybe someday you’ll be able to afford a Glock 19x.
@@Bigbossman12624 Funny, my first gun was a Glock 19x and I also have shot several hundred rounds through my P320.
@@brandonkey181 When did you get a Glock 19x? Sure thing Mr. “can you review more budget 1911s” I can see your recent comments on this channel. Why would you buy a p320 if they’re as bad as you say, are you retarded?
If a 19x was your first gun than shut your mouth you idiot. That gun came out 4 years ago and you have no idea what the hell you are talking about with only 4 years experience. Stop repeating crap you hear on the internet, makes you look like a moron.
@@Bigbossman12624 @Henry Peterson @Henry Peterson @Henry Peterson I think your daddy didn't teach you much respect. I've owned a G19x for about 2 years now and I was gifted a P320 not much later. My p320 has jammed on multiple occasions with good ammo, and my 19x has never jammed even with terrible ammo. My findings are generally consistent with what other people have found that I've talked to. Although these are the first guns I own myself, I've been shooting for a decade. You're pressed over an internet comment you dummy.
PS there's nothing wrong with being interested in 1911s that are good and don't cost $1500 and up.
Hey Chris, I agree with your essecment of the CXP 1,2,3,4. BUT the sccy DVG 1 ,Is a game changer for sccy
I bought my g2c years ago for $175. Price means nothing it is one of the most reliable pistols I've ever seen. Taurus 605 is very reliable as well
I love my g3c! 17+1 capacity in a cheap but reliable subcompact simply can't be beat in my current situation.
@@TSmith0048 fits me like a glove too. My only complaint is i wish it didn't have a manual safety
I find it odd the 320 is here because I don't know anyone with issues with malfunctions in general outside of the usual first break in period. I have a few and no issues other than my first couple hundred rounds would have an odd out of battery I never even had a stovepipe.
You're just lucky.
@@oskar6661 I don't think so man I have a p320 with a ton of rounds through it and no issues. No one I know has had any, not saying they don't have them because Evey gun has some.
Interesting how often experiences can vary. Dad has a 320 and buddy has a 365. Both have been completely reliable after thousands of rounds.
I have a Raider that runs fine, but don't think mine counts, seeing as I built it into a .458 SOCOM thumper. 😀
When I saw my first $900 gun as a model of 320 fail at least once per mag and then the slide fly downrange after a shot, I gave up on them forever.
I own a 320 x vtac and can assure you I’ve only ever had one malfunction with it. And it was aluminum case ammo. Probably got about 1200 rds thru mine and only 1 hiccup. It eats almost anything I feed it. +p ++p these weird smiley face tracers my buddy had laying around his ammo box for years. All sorts of hollow points. And standard range ammo. It eats up steel case. And brass is obviously flawless. I only use sig factory mags. That’s the key to most guns tho. Aftermarket mags are trash and you shouldn’t let your life depend on them. They’re range toys.
@@zachhall3581 good for you. But if you rely on a 320 for your life, the risk is on you. So are liabilities.
@@Longbarrel24How so? It was the the 2nd best selling hand gun of 2023 (behind the P365). I have had one since 2020, likely 4000-5000 rounds through it, and my EDC for 3 years. Never a failure. I clean my guns after every range trip and only shoot factory ammo (usually blazer and Federal). The gun is a durable as my Glock I have ever owned.
Buying a 100 to 200 dollar gun and being angry when it doesnt work is like getting mad that your 700 dollar car broke again.
Wow so surprised about the P320! I have P320 xCarry with a zev slide and it’s my favorite, never malfunctioned thru about 53K rounds so far, until JUST last week when I noticed the front sights had moved to the right on their own. Zev said can happen if shot a lot and gets hot (do, at classes especially), and they’re replacing the slide. But as far as malfunction, zero!! Have I just been lucky??
Maybe I've got one of the good ones but my sccy has had zero issues after thousands of rounds at the range. It's a damn good carry pistol. The only complaint I have is that it's not as comfortable when shooting all day like some of my other pistols.
Have you tried the trigger reset?
Same here. I had mine (cpx-1) for about 3 years now and never experienced any major problems.
I own 365 and a 320 have probably 1000rds on each and no problems, I've shot a nice 43x and had it jam 3 times within 50rds which doesn't seem normal too me since a lot of people swear by glock just my experience. Not just a sig fanboy would like to get into glocks and s&w. Sucks everyone can't have good experiences with every brand like others.
What do you mean when you say "a nice 43x" ?
@@LootDropShepherd Not that the stock glocks aren't nice, this just had stippled grip,ported and compensator so "nicer" than stock imo
@@WhyZeeMx that's why I was asking, people modify glocks trying to make them "nice" and just end up screwing up the reliability, although I personally dislike the glock single stack 9MM's anyway. Try the Gen 5 19. Very nice reliable glock
I wouldn't have bought that ar looking thing. I can't say thanks enough for the video, it's great to find a fellow honest shooter to do honest reviews
Hey Chris! I’m a long time viewer here, do you think the issues with the 320 could be a gun by gun basis? Or more of a flaw in design and it’s malfunctions are a matter of when?
Not a fanboy, just a curious owner. I ask because I’ve known about your aversion to the 320 for awhile and have been cautious of mine because of that. That being said, I have yet to have a malfunction with mine and I’ve fired about 1200 rounds through it. Thanks!
As an ER RN, I've treated not one but two patients that were injured by the Sig P320 spontaneously discharging in their respective holsters. Many indoor firing ranges here in the Northeast have disclaimers prohibiting the gun from not only being used on site, but insisting that it not even be brought to the facility.
Interesting on the PT22. I owned one of them years ago. It was the version with the fancy rosewood grips. Back then it was pretty reliable.
Are you sure that wasn't the ply22? the pt22 is the "updated" model. I had one for several years before I found a gunsmith to take it off my hands for $100. Fun little plinker which is why I bought it but definitely a jam-o-matic. Replaced it with a TX22 and that thing is awesome.
@@daviddemaree2988 Definitely a PT-22. I bought it years ago.
Had a snub nose version of the Taurus .. loved the concept. 8 shot 357 2-1/4 in barrel and it was polished so it looked great as well.. however couldn’t make it through a cylinder with out it getting out of timing
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