@@mustachemetalworks if you melt brass you have to wear a respirator bc of the zinc, zinc is toxic. If you melt karat gold you should wear a mask bc of the other metal contents, but I would assume pure 999 gold and pure 999 silver you would not have to.
I've never used Karat gold up to this point, but when I start, I expect to make my own alloys from copper,silver,gold so I don't have to worry about trash metals being incorporated into the alloy. I do use carbon room filtration when I solder because the smoke that comes off that has.... a special blend.
Best chance: make it yourself. Next best chance: Commission it from a local jeweler who you trust. Noone should be charging 1k over spot for a simple ring like this
@@mustachemetalworks how can I get a list of tools and supplies needed to make things myself using 24k? Is Boric acid the same one used to kill roaches?
To start: watch my other 24k gold ring videos. List of tools: hammer, propane torch, cutting tool (chisel or jewelers saw), file, anvil (any big piece of metal), ring mandrel (various sized metal pipes or round sticks), fire-proof surface (potato or charcoal block), eye protection, water in a jar. Don't look at Boric acid... you might have been thinking about borax, which is used as a flux. There's no need to use any flux nor solder while using 24k gold.
Water! When using charcoal, I always soak it. Charcoal is a pretty amazing tool in this case. It won't foul your gold, even if the gold melts. Carbon and gold don't mix. Mineral soldering blocks will foul melted gold with gross crap. Mineral Soldering blocks are less heat absorbing than charcoal but charcoal has a tendency to.... burn. That's why I soak it; to make the charcoal last much longer. It stops the burn inside the block. Eventually the block will turn into CO2 but hopefully no faster than necessary. Thanks for asking.
Thanks for the quick reply. Was curious about the "wet look" since I haven't seen anyone do that. I like how charcoal helps limit oxidation. I asked about the weight you used as I am about to make a gold "surround" to fatten up a skinny platinum / rough diamond ring I made. Going to forge a fat rustic band, cut a groove and inset this skinny platinum band. I liked the way you forged, and with gold as pricey as it is right now, I was trying to gauge the weight I will need to do that. Will probably alloy to 22K for a little extra strength. Thanks again!
I am in the process of doing this but with older gold jewelry melted down and ONLY a hammer and a vice. The gold keeps cracking even though I have it into a long strip
Youre probably butting up against a few different issues if you're not annealing enough. Make sure to heat your gold up to relax the crystal structure so you can beat it more. Cracking indicates overworking the metal past it's ductile limit. If you're not protecting your metal from the atmosphere (mostly the copper in the alloy) you may be also making copper oxides and embedding them into your gold. Copper oxides are going to weaken your structure. Use a flux to protect your metal while melting (classically borax). Take a video and upload it if you're really stuck!
@@tattoofthesun yep, anneal as needed. once you have cracks, you've gone too far and annealing will not help. Once you get cracks, you'll probably need to remelt at least the surface... its like annealing but you let the metal slightly melt.
I used a plumber's MAPP gas torch to melt the ingot. I used a plumber's propane pencil torch to fuse the joint. My MAPP torch outputs many more BTUs than propane and also burns at a hotter temperature. The propane torch is colder and less powerful, which is perfect for delicate fusion.
Was this a commission piece or just for fun? I've been working silver for a little bit, but I can't bring myself to buy gold to experiment with. Too much downside to f-ing it up.
This was a just for fun piece. If you make sure you're on a surface that won't foul your gold, making sure you're keeping the gold clean from crap, you can experiment and melt it down and experiment and melt it down forever!
From a structural standpoint: probably a 2mm x 2mm square wire band. From a design standpoint, I would think the minimum masculine band would be a 4mm wide band with 1.5mm thickness.
Burnish the outside on a fairly frequent basis to maintain a work hardened surface. Work hardening is your number one tool to prevent and fix shallow surface marring. Burnishing is easy: rub the gold with a smooth metal tool (burnisher). Prevent deep gouges with your brain: dont drag your gold on sharp metal. -jacob
Perform volumetric analysis for a man, feed him for a day. Teach a man volumetric analysis, feed him for life. Put in your dimensions, convert to volume in cm3, then convert your volume to grams using gold's density. www.omnicalculator.com/math/hollow-cylinder-volume www.aqua-calc.com/page/density-table/substance/gold
@@mustachemetalworks More like $6 bro hope you didn't get scammed... www.aliexpress.com/item/32553998080.html This is not real gold... Real 24k gold is actually reddish yellow. Gotta say looks pretty sweet bro and no chance of bending.
What now? I buy 0.9999 gold ingots from APMEX and melt them down. Is there a conspiracy I don't know about? Is APMEX somehow manufacturing an ingot with the same density, thermal properties, chemical resilience, tensile strength, and durability as elemental gold? Is the Perth Mint in Australia in on this conspiracy? Is the Valcambi Mint in Switzerland in on this conspiracy? Alert the press
I made a 24k gold ring that was as delicate as I feel comfortable making. You can go quite small if you work harden the metal after fusing/soldering. I don't remember the exact dimensions but I started with roughly 12 gauge round wire. See the video here ruclips.net/video/ID9rKjTV-10/видео.html
I have made a very nice large man's 24k gold ring at roughly 15g, which is roughly half a troy ounce. A full ounce ring would be very substantial but could be very nice with thoughtfully calculated proportions.
@@mustachemetalworks okay awesome! Thanks for the reply. I think I’ll try and make two 15g rings then. What’s your advice on going without the drawing machine? Hoping I can hammer and skip that step somehow?
Hammering out the ingot into an elongated rectangular cuboid is a time intensive but very easy process. You'll be fine! I spent the first year without the rolling mill machine; it was just more tedious. Be patient, rotate which side you're hammering frequently, and make sure to anneal often, especially when it seems like your hammer blows aren't doing much!
Where are you from? Perth mint would say stralia somewhere. Can I borrow some gold? I don't have quite enough to make my wife earings! Lol! I have 2 grams I refined myself.
Its a rolling mill. I use a pepetools mill. I love it. The big expensive name in mills is durston. There exist cheaper cast iron mills available on amazon and etsy.
Gold is very malleable when it cools from annealing or casting. Work hardening is very important. Since pure gold cant be heat hardened, you can't cast jewelry and expect the structure to maintain its shape under stress. In a few of my videos, I show the work hardening process. You hit the gold with a hammer to make the metal's grain structure change. Work hardening increases the tensile strength and decreases ductility. I have many people wearing my 24k gold jewelry. The metal will superficially scratch and mar but the structure should last a lifetime. I have to design my pieces bigger and "beefier" to withstand everyday stresses. I could not do many intricate designs with 24k gold because of the inherent limitations. However, I do not let that stop me from designing jewelry. Please watch a few more of my videos. I'm not the only one on youtube who makes 24k gold jewelry. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Work_hardening#Theory
24k gold isn't the most convenient karat, i mean, it's the purest but the ring is probably very delicate and easy to break. This is why a lot of jewelers suggest to buy 18k gold(75% pure gold) istead, because the gold is mixed with a more resistent league such as copper or silver.
"delicate and easy to break"......whomever told you this knows NOTHING about gold. Pure gold will not break it will bend and deform but not break. However, if you make it to stout dimensions the mass of the piece will help to avoid deformation. It is not delicate, it is soft, so highly detailed embossed rings are probably not the best use of high karat gold including 18K. For highly detailed rings 14k is best because it is hard but not so hard to be brittle. The two main reason jewelers don't work in pure 24k are, 1. The Cost and 2. They Don't Know How.
"Money is no object"......proceeds to sweep up every tiny piece of gold dust.... money must mean something there mister "swole af".....come on man, just be real.
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Handmade makes it so precious. Machinery made jewels don’t feel the same
this is only video I can find that shows YES can take a bullion and make something without pouring it. Thank you!
I promise you there are other people forging 24k gold.
HOWEVER, I do love the praise :)
You can't beat the warm buttery tones of pure gold. Whoever is getting that ring is one lucky recipient 😊
I actually melted this ring down into a puddle and make the other gold ring video with the gold! No lucky reciepient for this one
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@@mylove88teeko88 Me too!
Yes, nothing beats pure gold.
A Hammer does !
lol
Super Nice...from Romania...Respect for you end FAMILY!
Thank you so much!
Looks beautiful. Im on etsy hunting a 24k gold ring now.
Want me to make you one? Drop me a message on Instagram @kellickforge and we can work out what you want :)
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@@mustachemetalworks always working haha
24K is the real deal.
How does one go about getting a ingot mold with stamp to start scrapping precious metals?
I would start with a charcoal block ingot mold!
There are plenty of scrappers on RUclips!
wow! 10g of gold ring i want that one
Just found your channel. I enjoy watching them and your techniques. Please keep them coming!
Thank you so much for the kind words!
I'm glad you liked this!
There wasn't even any mustache in this video but I still liked it
Nice work
Do you have tonwear a mask when melting silver and gold ?
I don't wear a mask, I don't know anyone who wears a mask for melting
@@mustachemetalworks if you melt brass you have to wear a respirator bc of the zinc, zinc is toxic. If you melt karat gold you should wear a mask bc of the other metal contents, but I would assume pure 999 gold and pure 999 silver you would not have to.
I've never used Karat gold up to this point, but when I start, I expect to make my own alloys from copper,silver,gold so I don't have to worry about trash metals being incorporated into the alloy.
I do use carbon room filtration when I solder because the smoke that comes off that has.... a special blend.
can you make a solid 1oz ring
It would be huge!
I could make one, but I'm not going to any time soon
You can make 2 24k gold ring with 40 Gram ?
I could make 4 rings with 40 grams
@@mustachemetalworks thank for reponse
That is very nice; high quality.
Money is no object round here
How do I get a ring like this without paying $1k over gold value?
Best chance: make it yourself.
Next best chance: Commission it from a local jeweler who you trust.
Noone should be charging 1k over spot for a simple ring like this
@@mustachemetalworks how can I get a list of tools and supplies needed to make things myself using 24k? Is Boric acid the same one used to kill roaches?
To start: watch my other 24k gold ring videos.
List of tools: hammer, propane torch, cutting tool (chisel or jewelers saw), file, anvil (any big piece of metal), ring mandrel (various sized metal pipes or round sticks), fire-proof surface (potato or charcoal block), eye protection, water in a jar.
Don't look at Boric acid... you might have been thinking about borax, which is used as a flux.
There's no need to use any flux nor solder while using 24k gold.
What did you wet the charcoal block with, and why? Did you start with just half of the 20gm bullion?
Water! When using charcoal, I always soak it.
Charcoal is a pretty amazing tool in this case. It won't foul your gold, even if the gold melts. Carbon and gold don't mix. Mineral soldering blocks will foul melted gold with gross crap. Mineral Soldering blocks are less heat absorbing than charcoal but charcoal has a tendency to.... burn. That's why I soak it; to make the charcoal last much longer. It stops the burn inside the block. Eventually the block will turn into CO2 but hopefully no faster than necessary.
Thanks for asking.
A pedantic answer to your other question: I started with a 20g bullion... I only melted ~10g of that 20g.
Thanks for the quick reply. Was curious about the "wet look" since I haven't seen anyone do that. I like how charcoal helps limit oxidation. I asked about the weight you used as I am about to make a gold "surround" to fatten up a skinny platinum / rough diamond ring I made. Going to forge a fat rustic band, cut a groove and inset this skinny platinum band. I liked the way you forged, and with gold as pricey as it is right now, I was trying to gauge the weight I will need to do that. Will probably alloy to 22K for a little extra strength. Thanks again!
Interesting, I use ceramic-wool, you don't even need to cut a shape, just form by hand then melt on top! 😎
I am in the process of doing this but with older gold jewelry melted down and ONLY a hammer and a vice. The gold keeps cracking even though I have it into a long strip
Youre probably butting up against a few different issues if you're not annealing enough. Make sure to heat your gold up to relax the crystal structure so you can beat it more. Cracking indicates overworking the metal past it's ductile limit.
If you're not protecting your metal from the atmosphere (mostly the copper in the alloy) you may be also making copper oxides and embedding them into your gold. Copper oxides are going to weaken your structure. Use a flux to protect your metal while melting (classically borax). Take a video and upload it if you're really stuck!
@@mustachemetalworks that’s really helpful and actually it did sort of turn rose gold. I’ll upload a vid in this coming week and link it here
@@mustachemetalworks do you hammer a few times, then anneal? Hammer and anneal over and over? I would hammer for a few mins, anneal, repeat
@@tattoofthesun yep, anneal as needed. once you have cracks, you've gone too far and annealing will not help. Once you get cracks, you'll probably need to remelt at least the surface... its like annealing but you let the metal slightly melt.
24k gold is very delicate
Mr, what fuel/gas are you using ?
I used a plumber's MAPP gas torch to melt the ingot.
I used a plumber's propane pencil torch to fuse the joint.
My MAPP torch outputs many more BTUs than propane and also burns at a hotter temperature.
The propane torch is colder and less powerful, which is perfect for delicate fusion.
The ring have 20 grams?
No, roughly 8g
Was this a commission piece or just for fun? I've been working silver for a little bit, but I can't bring myself to buy gold to experiment with. Too much downside to f-ing it up.
This was a just for fun piece.
If you make sure you're on a surface that won't foul your gold, making sure you're keeping the gold clean from crap, you can experiment and melt it down and experiment and melt it down forever!
What would be the smallest mm you would for mans wedding band?
From a structural standpoint: probably a 2mm x 2mm square wire band.
From a design standpoint, I would think the minimum masculine band would be a 4mm wide band with 1.5mm thickness.
Chris, how can I protect my 24k -gold wedding ring if i want to wear it daily?
Burnish the outside on a fairly frequent basis to maintain a work hardened surface. Work hardening is your number one tool to prevent and fix shallow surface marring. Burnishing is easy: rub the gold with a smooth metal tool (burnisher).
Prevent deep gouges with your brain: dont drag your gold on sharp metal.
-jacob
What are the dimensions of this ring?
Hi 👋 how many gram to make a 5mm wide size 8 24k gold ring ? I am thinking 3 or 5 gram ?
Perform volumetric analysis for a man, feed him for a day.
Teach a man volumetric analysis, feed him for life.
Put in your dimensions, convert to volume in cm3, then convert your volume to grams using gold's density.
www.omnicalculator.com/math/hollow-cylinder-volume
www.aqua-calc.com/page/density-table/substance/gold
@mustachemetalworks 0.03tfluid ounces if I have done that correctly. Thanm you for sharing
How much did the gold cost?
This is close to 800usd in gold
@@mustachemetalworks More like $6 bro hope you didn't get scammed... www.aliexpress.com/item/32553998080.html This is not real gold... Real 24k gold is actually reddish yellow. Gotta say looks pretty sweet bro and no chance of bending.
What now? I buy 0.9999 gold ingots from APMEX and melt them down. Is there a conspiracy I don't know about? Is APMEX somehow manufacturing an ingot with the same density, thermal properties, chemical resilience, tensile strength, and durability as elemental gold? Is the Perth Mint in Australia in on this conspiracy? Is the Valcambi Mint in Switzerland in on this conspiracy? Alert the press
@@dominicduffy747 lol that shit on aliexpress is gold plated brass. Of course it is 6$
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Hello whats the minimum thickness of a ring that wont deform ty
I made a 24k gold ring that was as delicate as I feel comfortable making. You can go quite small if you work harden the metal after fusing/soldering. I don't remember the exact dimensions but I started with roughly 12 gauge round wire.
See the video here ruclips.net/video/ID9rKjTV-10/видео.html
@@mustachemetalworks will check it out thank you, cant wait for more vids
I'd only buy 22k gold and up now . It holds it's value well unlike low caret jewlry which is a bad investment if brought from New .
Thank you for the information.
Omg, I died a thousand deaths watching this. Brutal.
I'm glad to hear you had a good time.
Beautiful!
Thanks! I'm glad you think so!
I would love to make one. 24k pure gold size 12 men's ring. 10-12 mm. How much would that cost me?
$1100.00
im confused, the ring shown in this video is it 10grams? or made with the full 20 gram bar?
I started with roughly half the 20g bar, and I think this ring ended up roughly 8g.
Would smelting a 1oz gold coin into a ring be too much gold?/ an ugly big ring?
I have made a very nice large man's 24k gold ring at roughly 15g, which is roughly half a troy ounce. A full ounce ring would be very substantial but could be very nice with thoughtfully calculated proportions.
@@mustachemetalworks okay awesome! Thanks for the reply. I think I’ll try and make two 15g rings then. What’s your advice on going without the drawing machine? Hoping I can hammer and skip that step somehow?
Hammering out the ingot into an elongated rectangular cuboid is a time intensive but very easy process. You'll be fine!
I spent the first year without the rolling mill machine; it was just more tedious.
Be patient, rotate which side you're hammering frequently, and make sure to anneal often, especially when it seems like your hammer blows aren't doing much!
Where are you from? Perth mint would say stralia somewhere.
Can I borrow some gold? I don't have quite enough to make my wife earings! Lol! I have 2 grams I refined myself.
USA.
I would mail you some gold but I'm literally not allowed to ship to AUS
What's that machine called that strches the gold out.
Its a rolling mill. I use a pepetools mill. I love it. The big expensive name in mills is durston.
There exist cheaper cast iron mills available on amazon and etsy.
How much does it weigh?
It weighed around 8 grams.
I melted this one back down into another ingot, so it doesnt exist anymore.
@@mustachemetalworks I will check out the other video
you soldered it with gold basically
yup thats not a forge weld at all
@@melin1969 hmmm lets do a quick google on "fused". I never claimed this was a forge weld. This is not a forge weld. This is a fused joint.
1:48. That sounded so wrong!!!
You should've filed the sides
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24 carrat so meliable
Only 23C and below this we can make jewellery
we can make wonderful strong jewelry from 24k gold
@@mustachemetalworks how
Gold is very malleable when it cools from annealing or casting. Work hardening is very important. Since pure gold cant be heat hardened, you can't cast jewelry and expect the structure to maintain its shape under stress. In a few of my videos, I show the work hardening process. You hit the gold with a hammer to make the metal's grain structure change. Work hardening increases the tensile strength and decreases ductility.
I have many people wearing my 24k gold jewelry. The metal will superficially scratch and mar but the structure should last a lifetime. I have to design my pieces bigger and "beefier" to withstand everyday stresses. I could not do many intricate designs with 24k gold because of the inherent limitations. However, I do not let that stop me from designing jewelry. Please watch a few more of my videos. I'm not the only one on youtube who makes 24k gold jewelry.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Work_hardening#Theory
The scratch resistance is not the same as an alloy gold such as 14k
So it will scratch easier of you're dragging it around
@@GrozTheMighty Heck yea, that's part of the fun
Price
This bad boy is not for sale because it doesn't exist anymore.
If I were to make another, I would price it close to 800USD. Cheers.
mapp could make it pop thought
Does mapp make things pop?
I have never seen mapp pop anything
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24k gold isn't the most convenient karat, i mean, it's the purest but the ring is probably very delicate and easy to break.
This is why a lot of jewelers suggest to buy 18k gold(75% pure gold) istead, because the gold is mixed with a more resistent league such as copper or silver.
I make sure to use a lot of material so my 24k rings aren't breakable. Check out my video on squashing 24k gold
you sound like a jeweler... I don't trust jewelers
"delicate and easy to break"......whomever told you this knows NOTHING about gold. Pure gold will not break it will bend and deform but not break. However, if you make it to stout dimensions the mass of the piece will help to avoid deformation. It is not delicate, it is soft, so highly detailed embossed rings are probably not the best use of high karat gold including 18K. For highly detailed rings 14k is best because it is hard but not so hard to be brittle. The two main reason jewelers don't work in pure 24k are, 1. The Cost and 2. They Don't Know How.
I always get nervous about "The Cost", and I barely "Know How", but 24k is so worth it.
Keep preaching the good science and design!
That would be at least $700 not including labor I'm guessing
$64/gram, 10 grams. yea, roughly $700 of material (plus sales tax, plus income tax, plus labor, plus shipping, etc)
www.monex.com/gold-prices/
Can I get $20 of mustache dust?
I'll make a new listing on etsy
Wow so I can give my jeweler my bullion and just pay for labor
I can only assume that's how jewelry was made for hundreds of years.
Can i have it
No, I melted this one back into a puddle of gold for another project. Sorry bud
1/3/2025 - Useful, because too many steps not shown.
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"Money is no object"......proceeds to sweep up every tiny piece of gold dust.... money must mean something there mister "swole af".....come on man, just be real.
My comedy isn't for everyone. Thanks for watching though!
@@mustachemetalworks your welcome! I guess some just don't get my comedy either! 🤣
No such thing as an ugly gold ingot
You're right though
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Idiocy is my middle name!
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you soldered it with gold basically
Yessir!