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The RTX 4060 is the strongest argument to buy AMD
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- Опубликовано: 27 июн 2023
- The RTX 4060 initially looks like an "ok" card until you compare it to AMDs current cards experiencing aggressive price drops!
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You should order them by how much they cost that way its easier to compare performance and then leave them in that spot!
This
This is a great idea.
100%, that would help drive home where a lower card could be punching above it's class and what not.
This
I concur.
I am watching this while on the toilet
TMI
Same.
Same!
On the toilet then you need iFixIt!
Same here, taking a big dump.
I bought an Arc A750 LE for $210 a month-ish ago, not for gaming but for general use and streaming to use the AV1 hardware encoding/decoding eventually. I give Intel credit where due, for a first _real_ attempt at a discrete GPU the hardware is pretty good, especially in RT. And the drivers have definitely improved. Having 3 contenders in this category is fantastic, we need more of it.
100% agree! Constantly hearing of the improvements that each new driver is bringing in both gaming and multimedia applications! As Jay said in this video actually pretty excited to see what Intel brings to the table in the next generation.
Sucks the Intel Arc is not selling here in Brazil.
@angleisthebest yeah but a750 is decent at gaming than a380 if you want someday.
@NoodleAsian and yet...
the pros of the A770 16GB variant compared to the 6700 XT:
6.45 TFLOPS higher floating-point performance.
142 GPixel/s higher pixel rate.
4GB more VRAM.
1500MHz higher effective memory clock speed.
201.4 GTexels/s higher texture rate.
176GB/s more memory bandwidth.
64bit wider memory bus width (256bit).
4500million more transistors
The 6700 XT pros compared to the A770 16GB:
221MHz faster GPU clock speed.
181MHz faster GPU turbo speed.
Has Double Precision Floating Point (DPFP)
in the mean time intel is still cooking its driver to perfection.
im assuming this is going to outperform the 6700 XT in the future.,
As others have said, ordering them by price and having the position static would really be a great visual of how they stack up in a cost per performance way.
I ended up buying a 6750xt earlier this year when my 780 died. I never expected it to stack up this well against the new Nvidia releases though.
The last 6000 series amd GPUs (minus 6500) are really good value
Absolutely!
I just bought an asrock phantom 6750xt a couple weeks ago for $340. Best purchase decision I've made in years. It runs everything in 1440p at well over 100 frames, most of the time capping my 120hz display. Overclocked it to 2850mhz core. It's a beast.
i got 2 of them in crossfire an much more powereffient (all 6000series have crossfire it's build in)
@@666haesthere are no games that support Crossfire!
I like the idea of leaving them all in the same spot, it would also allow for a simple animation showing the bars grow or shrink, a bit more fluid than just static images switching.
Maybe use faint thin vertical lines matching the end if the bars so it's easier to tell which bars are longer.
You could also keep a shadow of the score from the previous screen to make it really clear.
And/or a tiny green/red shade filling up / draining in the bars when they are gaining/losing percentage compared to the others, to show the change compared to the previous page.
@@tj_2701 If you can't tell the difference by just looking at the bars and need visual aides to figure out the difference, then that means they're basically equivalent - or, as Steve likes to call it at any possible occasion, "functionally identical".
@@misatzu my aim was more about making it easier to tell at a glance, because Jay usually includes the actual numbers too so if you pause the video you can compare and read the actual difference. But you're right about if the bars are close to the same length there isn't any real difference.
I think it would be easier to track a specific card's performance if they stay in place throughout the tests. I bought a 6700xt a year ago and it has been great!
I got this same card for 500$ from amd and its kicking ass. Gets hot I did redo the thermals and dropped its temp by 30°
Oh nice, I'm looking at getting one myself, although I may wait to see what Intel's second generation looks like...
What cpu did you guys pair it with
@@ravenwings7945$500? i thought it was closer to $300-400
@@extenosnot a year ago. Now it is
I like the idea of keeping the cards in the same spot on the charts. For me, it would make the chart progression much easier to follow as a viewer. Great review as always Jay. Appreciate your frank and real world views on things like this. Respect.
I like the idea of ordering by price and keeping that static
Good idea... I had initially thought about ordering by naming to keep it simple but order by price is a great idea.
@@Jayztwocentsgreat idea, by real actual amazon/new egg price
that's what i was just thinking
@@Jayztwocents Despite any post launch re-pricing shenanigans, the more I think about it, the more I like the (launch) static price stack. It just makes sense.
@@jhonedoe3734 I think you might have stumbled onto a genius idea for a product. If you had a system that could scrape a few big retailers daily and use the mode price as the indicative price when looking up comparative performance/dollar charts dynamically, it would cut through a lot of the noise.
AMD 6000 series is absolutely an amazing set of products now. The 6950XT if you can still get your hands on it is a card that will live another generation easily.
I bought the 6950XT despite every PC nerd in my life saying not to. I love it so much; it runs everything I play amazingly well, even undervolted.
Very weird now to buy high end gpu from other company to fight with low tier gpu from this company.
@@loafboi_ amd is okay for sure if you don't have enough money to get some quality
Why not the 7000 series?
@ArtemasDz so this is the userbenchmark alt account I guess...
I like the idea of the names for the gpus staying static and the graphs moving, that way if we are just looking at maybe set cards in the list we can know where they land in each test might be a bit easier for a viewer but if not you can always change up the style at a later date. After all never hurts to try something new
Great review, I knew a year ago when everybody was going nuts about the 6800xt, that the 6700xt was going to be a standout. Also I would say keep the cards in the same spot in order of price.
I vote for keeping the cards in the same slots and letting the data ranges vary
Edit: The problem with graphing by price is that prices fluctuate, which may invalidate the ranking of them in the first place.
same here
Same here.
+1
Same here.
Same here.
cards staying in the same spot by price sounds like a really good idea. worth trying it once at least and pointing it out as you get to the charts just to make sure people know
I live 30 minutes from the Microcenter near Boston. I understand why you don't include their prices, they're a goddamn angel of a store.
Because they force you to come into a physical location to get their deals, they eliminate bot scalpers and enforce customer purchase limits to eliminate human scalpers from exploiting their deals.
God Bless MicroCenter. You truly live within a more evolved community if you live within driving distance of one.
I never had any hopes for the 4060. With that said I will NOT buy a GPU from AMD, it's been since 2013 since they had a real competitor to Nvidia.
Trying to convince a nvidia user to buy other cards is like convincing a apple user to buy an android
Thank you for putting the older 20 series on the graphs. Considering a lot of people have 20 or older series cards it really does show how much performance you gain with an upgrade. Also selling ones older card really needs to be put into perspective for some people, though im not sure how you could show that as a tuber. I sold my 2070 to buy a 4070 and that combined with the performance gain really did make the price worth spending. I do love seeing the intel cards work their way back onto everyone's charts.
I own 2070 Super and it's awesome card for 1080p gaming. With RT disabled almost all modern games run well above 60 or even 100 fps and some games still run above 60 fps with RT Low. If you are planning to stay at 1080p for a year or two more, there is no need to upgrade the gpu yet. At least if you own 2070 or 2080 but 2060 still should be enough for 60 fps non RT gaming.
@@Harzexe it was a great card but I have become an RT fanboy... It really is amazing and I won't ever go back lol it's just a better experience for me.
I bought a 6700 XT 3 months ago off Facebook marketplace for $220. I'm very happy with the purchase. This video just makes me even happier with the choice I made.
Hilarious!
Earlier this year, I wanted to upgrade my 2060Super. The 4000 series seemed too expensive and too bulky for both my budget and my PC case!
Ended up splashing on a 6700XT. Fiddly to get it to perform as intended with Adrenaline, but once you find the sweet spot, what a little beast this GPU is!
Glad I took the correct decision back in March!
I feel like if you're gonna keep the cards in the same order for the charts you should have a number ranking next to each name as a quick reference. The best performer often stands out on the chart but the middle ones can get muddy depending how close they are.
I prefer ordered fastest to slowest on charts.
I switched to AMD a year ago. I was worried about AMD drivers and its UI. I was pleasantly surprised that it was actually better!
I'm sure a lot of Old AMD users were affraid because AMD's Catalyst software was horrible to use.
I did the switch to AMD two Gens ago and I am quite impressed, the software is really good. Drivers still need a bit more polishing but are pretty good, amongst some friends we Joke about the 22.05.1 driver version if something goes wrong lol
drivers have worked flawlessly for me. And the Adrenalin software is a great utility
Love the video! I vote for leaving the cards in a set order, easier to quickly decipher where a card stands with each new benchmark
Going for a RTX 4060 today. Reasons: prince difference in my currency is much greater, my current 500W PSU wouldn't allow me to put any other option without fearing it would fail and my energy bill will be considerably lighter on my pocket.
Thanks for factoring in today's pricing, Jay! It's sometimes hard to follow these as far as "which one should we actually buy?" So that's helpful!
I bought a 6700xt back during holiday sales and it's really a very solid card for the price, especially at current pricing. It lacks in RT compared to it's Nvidia counterparts but it is great at rasterization. I would recommend at the mid level 10 times out of 10.
I have debated getting a newer low end card, and part of me regrets buying low end (when I purchased a card last year)...
Picked up a 6750xt for $340 a couple weeks ago. I would also reccommend this card to anyone looking for a cheap upgrade without building a new rig. This thing holds 2850mhz core and 3010mhz memory. It's an absolute beast.
Its ray tracing is becoming better than the 3070 in newer titles because the 3070 8gb ran out of vram lol. But honestly whats good 4gb going to do anyways?
Just picked myself up a 6700xt for my first build so these charts really cement that I picked a solid card 👍
I now have a 6700XT in my Home Theater PC and on my Samsung Q80 at 120Hz it games very nicely at medium to high settings. I have a 6900XT in my gaming PC, but I got it new for a really good price. The 6700 XT is solid. You made a good choice.
The amd non-aib model had terrible thermals. Any issues on yours? What model?
@@LudwigHorsecock my sapphire nitro 6700xt runs cool and quiet, no issues
The efficiency is one of the few reasons for a 4060 BUT unfortunately it is NOT as efficient as advertised on paper... they removed the shunts from the pcb so the actual power draw can't be controlled exactly. RESULT actual power draw is more like 130 than 115. SECONDLY, idle power draw as of right now is 50 watts. Yup you read that right for some reason it is not clocking/volting down properly and draws a whopping 50 watt in IDLE....
Thing is, 1080p isn't some static res, 20 years ago 800x600 was the norm, for many years it became 1024x768... Resolutions increase over time as panels improve. 1080p was the norm for much of the 2010s, I'd argue 1440p will become the standard for the mid/late 2020s, GPU manufacturers need to switch from 1080p (mid) vs 1440p (upper) to 1440p (mid) vs 4k (upper). The failure to recognise this by making the 60 series 12gb VRAM as standard is a woeful design misstep. For the sake of £20 of additional VRAM, they've destroyed a product line IMO.
Dont blame you Jay the way the GPU Market is currently :( but appreciate the review!
What do you mean the way it is currently? It's the same as it was 5 years ago
@@drunkhusband6257 anger towards gpu companies has indubitably gone waaaay up since the start of the pandemic, especially seeing the idiotic shit nvidia has pulled.
@@nadienadie9256 lol nvidia hasn't done anything, the prices are because of retailers. You people need a course on basic economics and leveled inflation.
@@drunkhusband6257 retailers you say?
explain me then NVIDIA's bogus MSRP's of this generation and what they promise for said MSRP's
retail is on a downfall in terms of pricing so ask NVIDIA when will they snap back into reality and normalize their cards pricing
and set aside DLSS,RT and frame gen because they are features they are not mandatory piece of hardware like VRAM for example
@@xthelord1668 I bet you love little boys too don't you?
Paused the video to say this: Jay you look stressed man, I hope you are taking care of yourself. I don't know what issues are happening behind the scenes or what algorithm results or watch through rates are, but remember this: You got here through talent (as I'm sure you know but just putting it out there). On the video, great content bro.
7:32 no one ever gets mad because AMD has been in every major console for year upon years, which means the games run better on a larger portion of hardware. Nvidia dominates PC gaming, but that isn't but a small fraction of year to year game console sales.
Memory express is like our Micro Centre here in Winnipeg. But everything sells out when there is a black Friday, or boxing day promotion.
This market for $300 cards is really interesting. I’m glad AMD is bringing cards out there with good performance for reasonable prices. I’ve been recommending my friends these AMD 6 series cards because of how good they are. They feel like the 10 series NVidia cards with good performance for reasonable price that will last a long time. I went from Vega 64-> 6900xt this holiday season cause the value ~$600 seemed good for me over 6950xt or 7xxx cards. Unless someone wants high end 4k performance there’s really no reason to buy NVidia
Just got the RX-7600 from XFX, overclocked version. My old 1080 ti was on the brink of dying (couldnt update drivers, crashes from time to time), and as i dont play that much anymore i went with the RX-7600. Very happy with the performance so far, gained a few fps in the games i play and a bit better performance in 3DMark. And for the price, it was totaly worth it.
The RX 7600's a totally solid card and the 6nm (that part's SUPER important w/ how bonkers expensive TSMC 4/5nm is) Navi 33 die is fucking CHEEEEEAP to manufacture! After all of the old Navi 23 (RX 6600/6600 XT/6650XT) stock still sitting on shelves sells through I fully expect it to slowly drift down towards around $200 to become that proper Polaris replacement the market has been DESPERATELY waiting for. (The exact same way that Navi 31 stock has slowly moved towards ≈$900/$750 for the RX 7900 XTX/XT as old Navi 21 stock finally sells out.)
@@Cooe. I live in Sweden so the prices for the cards you write about in dollar costs 30-50% more for us. Its expensive like hell to buy hardware in Sweden atm sadly. I paid $349 for my RX-7600, thats like $100 more then prices at Newegg. 6600 and up are also more expensive here then in USA/Canada.
Honestly, I'm still sitting on my 2080 ti that I got at the beginning of the pandemic right before the GPU Market went to shit in 2019. Back then, Jay, you told me that I shouldn't replace my 2080 ti for a 3070 and you were absolutely right about it.
Honestly, this card still holds up just fine for all my 1440p gaming needs. I honestly have to thank Nvidia because I have zero incentive to switch cards and this is the perfect card for my needs right now.
I would have liked to buy a 3080 or a 3080 ti but they were unavailable.
I would have liked to buy a 4080 or a 4090 if the pricing made sense but it doesn't.
So thank you Nvidia for giving me a reason to not buy any of your graphics cards because the ones that you sold four years ago are more valuable than the ones you are selling now.
I'll update my rig to a 50 or 60 series when the pricing makes sense and when I get actual value from the product that I'm getting.
Meanwhile, Nvidia, I also have to thank you for giving AMD time to catch up and improve their cards' Ray tracing performance. Because once their ray-tracing performance improves on AMD cards, I have no reason to buy another Nvidia card again and I'll be jumping ship.
Check 7900xtx vs 4080 raytracing on newest drivers, i was suprised how good it works
Actually, good news guys, for anyone trying to do productivity, now Blender ray tracing works with AMD cards as well!!!! So no reason to not buy AMD from my side, unless, of course if you use Tensorflow or something, in which case Nvidia is still the clear answer, but you can use colab for that and make it past.
Sorry people tend to shoot the messenger, Nvidia really is putting a target on any content creator that talks about them for better or worse. Thanks for keeping us informed!
What a joke. Keep holding out and make them drop their prices. 8gb of VRAM/bus and performance isn't enough for this price!
Prices should be the following:
RTX 4060 TI 16gb $250
RTX 4060 TI $199
RTX 4060 8gb $150
RX-7600 $140-$145
Re: The option of reordering the cards or keep them in their positions, I imagine it would be handy to either keep them fixed or settle on an easy way to highlight the card we should be focusing on. Resorting to transitional animations would also help with either case, so as to keep our attention where it belongs. Seeing the performance go up and down while the card stays put is one way. Or, flip to the new graphic, have everything sorted hierarchically, but have the subject card conspicuously slide up or down the stack to it's ranking for that particular benchmark.
I think it makes sense to order them by generation / by name / release date, possibly add their *at time of recording* cost as small print under the name. That way you have the relevant information, the order won't change between stats/tests and can help eliminate any pausing on our side - the viewers side. Not sure if pauses affect the algorithm or not.
I swear the second these videos come out, the prices go up everywhere I go to buy.
I like the idea of the cards staying where they are instead of being reordered all the time. It will make it easier to read and keep track of where they fall with the different games.
I bought the Arc A770 16gb LE card a few months back. It's more than enough for my needs. When the drivers are updated, it's like getting a slightly newer card with more performance.
Imagine buying a piece of hardware they don't have have fully implemented and hoping it gets better
GoW5 and "old" games dont work (((
@@sakumisan Imagine being one of those people who comments with the word Imagine first.
@@xjax8519 Yeah.. that's a BIG downside and dealbreaker
Is nvidia listening to customers? NO.
THEN WHY THE HECK WOULD REVIEWERS WANT TO LISTEN TO NVIDIA ?
14:41 personally I like when the card names are stationary and listed by price so you can directly see the price to performance comparison.
I agree with some others here. ❤
Keep the cards in price point and just move the charts around. Hopefully it won't be harder to do.
In the video I think it's much easier to see comparisons if they are static. Have to pause to locate everything I'm interested in if they move around.
i really wonder why the rx 6700 is not covered in any of these comparisons. It has 10 GBs is faster than the 6650 XT by a considerabe amount and trades blows and in a lot of spots surpasses the 7600. And price wise it's really really good
Probably I prefer stationary card positions and changing graphs. Also, thank you for validating my choice on the 6700xt I bought last month lol.
I bought one of those too, and have no regrets.
Bought mine last November and I'm still laughing
@@no1baggiefan same
I bought my 6700xt last year and am loving this card!
I was torn between a 3080 and a 6800 XT. Everyone said to go for the 3080, but the 6800 XT was cheaper and had 6 more gigs of VRAM, so I went with that. This card runs my games at 4k max settings flawlessly. I sometimes use more than 12 gigs of Vram, so a 3080 wouldn't have worked for me. Not even the very expensive 12-gig variant would have worked. I do not regret my decision at all
I'm already happy your limit the number of cards in the charts so it is actually possible to read the labels, and I think leaving the cards in the same place would be helpful. Certainly worth a try.
I like the idea of keeping the cards in the same position on the chart at all times, but I think it would be interesting to see the top performers based on 1440p instead of 1080p. I know the order wouldn't change much, but it still would be nice to see from that perspective.
Color the names to the left with their company colors. (AMD red, Nvidia green and Intel blue.) It will make it easier to see which card is moving where at a glance.
I'm really happy to see that Intel is slowly catching up. If it continues like this, it might not take long and I'll get an Intel GPU (if the price/performance is right)
Considering it's them dipping their toes in, they've done really well with driver updates to make the cards more competitive. I'm interested to see what they do in the future too
Agreed. It'll be interesting to see how far along their gpu's come with each new gen.
Thanks for the content as always Jay. I've just upgraded from a 1060 6GB to a 6950XT, and built a new PC after waiting ages for prices to come down. Generational changes aside, the xx60 class of card really isn't what it used to be in my opinion. A 128-bit bus says it all and it's such a shame as for a long time I was intending to upgrade to a newer xx60 GPU.
I don't think I've ever commented on this channel, but I just wanted to say thank you for recommending the RX 6700xt. I nearly bought a 3060ti (cos Nvidia) and this video stopped me from doing it.
I'm confused. Are people crying over your videos because they think you support Nvidia?
I was hoping while watching you would say the 6700xt because it is the best bang for buck by FAR atm. I bought the 6750XT only because it was £20 more on sale than the 6700xt. I can tell you it's a great card and is sooooo good at 1440p. I'm about to get the 5800x3d to go with it as it's down to £269.99 in the UK.
Personally I like the charts structured as they are currently. To help with readjusting to where the card now lays within the charts, you could colour code them so nVidia would be Green, AMD would be Red and Intel would be Blue. That way you can easily narrow down your search a whole lot quicker. Keep up the great vids by the way :)
Prices have definitely come down a bit, but still astronomical here in the UK.
I have been planning the past few weeks and had my sights set on a 6700/50XT, so I enjoyed the video, confirming the conclusions I’d made.
But since the more rapid drop, prices have already gone back up a bit again-
Between £350-410 for a 6700XT. What confuses things more is that I have seen 4060TIs going for as low as £360-380.
They never make it easy 😃
I respect the fact that you are running these benchmarks without frame gen or DLSS or any other upscaling. The increased latency totally defeats the purpose of having higher frames. All it does it possibly increase smoothness while increasing latency in game play. Everyone needs to normalize not comparing 140fps without upscaling as if it is the same as 140fps with upscaling, because one of those has dramatically larger latency.
This makes my purchase of a 6700xt hellhound back in march feel so good! I upgraded from a EVGA 2060 super as well so this video seems taylor-made for me!
6700xt up to 6950xt can be solid performers for another few years imo depending on what you need them to do.
I like playing, ETS 2, BeamNG, and flight Sim. RTX40XX really makes me not want to upgrade my 1080 and 4790k. Could you recommend the 6700xt for that on 1440P?
@death3443 Idk about 6700xt but the 6950XT is only slightly under the 3090 Ti Edit: Mainly because Nvidias DLSS and RT are more efficient than AMDs.
@@gokublack8342 cheers mate
You know what get clicks ? Calling JTC A SHILL. If you watch this channel long enough or are actually old enough to know he has older videos know he not a shill . And I’m not a time stamping kiss butt fan , although I feel loyal to his channel, but that for the way he speaks as an enthusiast talking to noob/ rgb loving , water cooling fans. I’d bet most fans are pretty new , just seeing how channel grew since the lock down. Giving the small person the courage to water cool since SK v1
I know it’s a lil more work …. But leave the current format of fps in videos and in your links do the graphs on Google drive etc in the same spot and another link showing them in a GPU price point format ….. my suggestion 🥰👍💪
Thanks for the video Jay. I think it could be helpful to put the details of the settings somewhere on the chart slides. Like the frame gen and DLSS stuff so you don't have to spend time clarifying those points and also so if people share screenshots of those charts there's more context for people.
@RAZGR1Z Fake frames and DLSS stuff is worthless if it's only implemented in a handful of AAA games with multimillion budgets.
@@sammiller6631normal dlss 2/upscaling is in most games even from indie studios although dlss 3 isn't amazing right now its a good idea but it is only in about 20 games (all triple a and mostly sponsored by Nvidia) definitely shouldn't be the thing Nvidia relies on though, also below 60fps base frame gen causes significant imput latency although over 60fps base you are getting less latency then you get with fg+reflex off (about 30-40ms for me compared to about 20ms without fg) overall though cool concept but it needs work (which may require newer hardware 5th gen tensor, second gen optical flow cores ect) and developers need to embrace it which is happening albiet very slowly
Keep cards in same spot and move the bars. Going between slides you can instantly see which go up and which go down. Place cards on scale with most expensive at the top and going cheaper down the scale.
I wish I could find a review from a non-biased source that's more relatable cause all the big tech guys are just saying "it sucks" when in reality, it's a MASSIVE upgrade for some of us. I have two 1080p monitors that I won't be parting with anytime soon. I currently have a 1050ti. The 4060 base model is a colossal upgrade and considering the fact that I was looking at the 3000 series hit spikes of up to $2,000 just last year....$300-$350 for the 4060 is not a bad deal at all if you're upgrading from an old card. I couldn't believe they were priced that low.
Since you asked, going ph to graph, keeping the cards in the same order, and then seeing the graph lines change makes more sense to me.
Scamvidia did a great job of proposing an RTX 3050 "refresh" with DLSS 3.0
Can't wait to see what Battlemage will bring to us
AMD in the same boat.
Love that you included the 2060 Super. Bought mine 2 years ago and it's still going strong! I'm not wedded to Nvidia either, so your honest reviews are really helpful. Oh and keep the charts as they are, best to see the performance data in descending order. Thanks Jay!
I bought my 2060 Super about that long ago as well for some VR and concur it's still a viable card. Recently picked up a 2080ti for ~$300 and it's also been amazing, esp with the extra RAM and larger bit bus. I'd rather pay a fellow gamer for a card than NGreedia.
@@burrfoottopknot I feel ya. I had a 960 before I got the 2060 super. Paid pandemic pricing for a used one ($400) but almost 3 years and still amazing. Shows how far NGreedia has fallen when a 60s card from 2019 has 8gb and 256 bit bus compared to a 4060 with the same ram and 128....
@@burrfoottopknot also, 3gb is tough to rough out for an extended period of time. Are you happy with your purchase?
@@MimmyJorgan17I mean people are still playing games with the 750ti, I think my 4GB 1650 Super is going to last me a hell of a long time if I can't afford to upgrade it 🤣🤣
Charts: Always have the topic card highlighted. Put a little green highlight around the 4060, and when you're talking about another card, highlight it in grey. Or if you're talking about an AMD card, highlight it in red, Intel in blue. Use a neutral color for what you're talking about at the moment. Keep sorting the charts by highest average FPS when comparing overall performance, sort by lows when talking about how smooth a card is.
The thing to remember with going team red too is that if you have a Ryzen CPU, you can leverage SAM for a bit of extra oomph.
Not necessary amd cpu, you can use resizable bar feature with intel cpu (10th gen and newer).
I have inte cpu and amd gpu and it does give a boost in most games, but some games don't like it and you get some stutter, good thing that Adrenaline gives the choice to disable it, not necessary from bios.
For the bars on charts there are two ways you can go about it as far as I'm concerned, keep the order consistent and just have the bars move (which IMO is best when going through many charts) or you can order them but you have to highlight the relevant card so we don't have to read through all the others to find it. Gamers Nexus is a great example of highlighting at its best, it must be a lot of work to do but they also highlight the other cards as they are being talked about which makes it really easy to follow, but IMO just highlighting the card being reviewed is fine 99% of the time if you want them ordered.
Personally i like to have the cards always in the same place, i think that is easier to compare. Also the A750 is starting to look good price/performance wise. Maybe battlemage will be my next gpu.
I’m sorry that happened to you with the teaser video. I thought it was fair and way more interesting than a unboxing video. It was a very nice change of pace from a standard launch benchmark video.
I'm so glad I decided to upgrade to the 6700xt from my 6600 a few months back. Now that every techtuber seems to be praising it for its price/performance, I imagine supply is gonna be drying up soon.
Definitely like the idea of cost per frame charts like other sites do. It brings the point of testing into a concise chart.
Funny. I had to buy new PC parts 2 days ago and wanted something compareable to my main PC (rtx3070, R5 5600x). I decided against Nvidia because of the crazy pricing and low memory and got a rx 6700xt instead.
I literally did the same thing as you lol. I’m building a PC in a dead Xbox 360 and needed a small card and landed on a 6700xt, wanted it similar to my main as well.
@@poog6256 That sounds like a cool project. Do you have to go ITX to make it fit, or is mATX small enough?
It’d definitely be more effort, but a quick animation showing the cards move position from the last position they were in while ordering by performance could highlight the shifts in performance the cards see across different benchmarks.
Great video, Jay. I picked up a 6700xt for my brothers birthday recently and he has nothing but great things to say about it, though I doubt you could complain when going from a 1070 to a 6700xt. I'm honestly not sure how in the world you can put up with some of the people I see commenting on your videos when it comes to GPUs. The AMD/Nvidia fans are so obnoxious.
Bought a 6950 XT for 600€ 2 months ago.
Yeah, me too. Used, 3 months old, for 450€. The Power Color Red Devil Model. Unbeatable at this pricepoint
@@_LukasDortmundthat's a good deal 😮
@@_LukasDortmund Oh, great deal
Yes, literally a no-brainer! Personal pick-up and tested in sellers pc.
The only downside were the nearly 350km drive for both ways 😅
We appreciate the hard work Jay
As per your top comment at the moment, I am also on the loo (toilet). I always respect your views as you say to check everyone else to make an informed decision. I've just literally built a new rig for 3440x1440p 120Hz gaming with a 4070ti (upgrading from a 2080s). I'm finding it amazing. I've used your videos (and others) to tune everything to the max, overclocing and undervolting (CPU & GPU) and am getting amazing results. Mind you I did get an MSI RTX 4070ti Gaming Trio for less than £580...
Why saying that the A770 is over $700 when you're looking at 3070 prices (which are over $700 in that part of the vid)?
I'm glad that buy my asus 6700xt oc! On price drop in Oct 2022 for $349, and so far love it! No crash, and no regrets!!
I'd say do them by price. That's usually the biggest factor for anyone building a system right now and usually even before money got tight on everyone.
Honestly consumers are just pissed the price of these cards aren't bad. Everyone loved the GTX 1060 6gb and AMD's Polaris budget offerings. They sold in this bracket new 6-7 years ago. We just went through a massive period of inflation. The fact AMD, Intel, and NVIDIA are even able to put out cards in this price segment is honestly a small miracle. We've just been burned so much between the pandemic and the gpu crisis so much that our perceived out look are any type of new hardware is toxic. I've bought an A 770 LE for my desktop and an A750 for my brothers and I know in my unique case ARC should not be the gpu for me as many of our favorite games have game breaking gltiches.
@@CleonofAthens Well considering back in the day (literally 3 years ago) you could build a whole PC for the price they want for High tier GPUs. I got lucky for around the time I bought my 3090TI it was when GPU mining was crashing and they were trying to throw 30 series inventory out to make way for 40 series. Otherwise I'd still be using a older card. They are DEFINTLY taking advantage of knowing people will pay super inflated prices due to COVID and Scalpers. Hell the 3060TI SHOULD be way lower raw performance than the 4060 even. It is only through Software trickery that the 4060 is is better. Which is gimping performance on purpose. They bank on DLSS and Frame Generation in the very few games that support Frame Generation and bank on DLSS3 that they shut everyone else out of who bought 30 Series cards that have been shown to work. It is definitely Nvidia being assholes. AMD made their lower end GPUs maybe a little confusing whether that be on purpose or not. Their cards at least have a decent amount of stagger in price to performance between SKUs.
@@vespermoirai975 The issue is I guess their margins? Vram prices spiked dramatically and have decreased from 13$ to 4$ per gb. 8gb is an additional 50$ of cost by the time it gets to a consumer at 4$ a gb. Giving 16gb on an entry level card, while giving 20-32gb on the rest of the line up would easily spike vram prices again.
At that point we also need larger buses size. And the 4060 is using AD107 instead of AD106. If NVIDIA used the proper die size it would really cut into margins. Inflations taken a $250 card and turned $250 to $310, so assuming die size and bus size stayed the same the cost of 8gb of GDDR5 vs 16gb GDDR6 is the issue. Frankly ngl a 350$-375$ 4060 16gb base model would have been just fine with a full AD106 die. The issue is hitting the 300$ price tag. What was released as the 4060 really should be a 4050 or 4050ti and priced between 225$ and 250$.
Microcenters prices are actually far to high now. I went to my local one yesterday to pick up an open box A750 for $199.96 and three people were in it. Me, some girl, whose poor water cooled AIO broke, and her mom. I think everyone is just unhappy across the board with PC building.
They don't even get your sarcasm Jay. That shows the level of their *"intelligence"*
I'm pretty sure you critique NVIDIA the previous video, but they don't get it 🗿
It would be really interesting to see the variation of the DCP Latency on the GPUs.
Jay and crew, love the videos. Keep up the great work.
Whichever way you do the charts put red/green/blue behind the models so it’s easier to see whose team they are on
Keeping the specific hardware spot consistent would be easier to digest. I always find myself spamming pause in these videos (not just yours) so I can orientate and focus on the hardware Im looking for. You could arrange them initially based on what questions or observations the video may be referencing.
I'd be very interested in seeing how this stacks up to the venerable 1080ti
1080ti is only slightly slower than 6600xt so use that as a reference
If you have an 1080ti card don't bother buying another. Unless it's starting to die/outdated drivers/crashing. The xx80 ti series until the xx90 series came out were the strongest cards you could buy and won't flop out regardless of upscaling/cache/ shenanigans simply because they have a lot of hardware to do about any task you ask them to do. Which is why even though it is almost a 7 year old card by now, it still stays at the top 50 fastest cards in the world. xx80 ti performance stays the same in 90% of cases, which is what gamers really care about anyways. No one cares about ray tracing, Ngreedia.
If you were to buy previous gen 80ti, aka the 3080ti, it's going to cost you 1250$, which I wouldn't ever recommend even if Ngreedia was pointing a gun at my head. 4080ti isn't even available yet, but I don't expect it's price any lower than 1500$ (and that's being optimist), which is fun because you might as well buy the 4090 for 1600$ at that point. Buy the 4060 Ti at 400$. You are definitely getting a faster card than the 1080ti, but then we would be ignoring this video's advice for price/performance.
TL;DR Price/performance wise, 6700XT at 320$ or the 6750XT at 360$ is the way to go. Cheaper, more vram, performance stays consistent. But Intel's A750 at 240$ or A770 at 380$ should be considered too.
I just upgraded to an 6700XT Red Devil this was a massive upgrade from my EVGA 1070 FTW. I am so happy and in awe of the performance jump 🤩. Great video as always Jay been with you for years, and glad to see your videos are still going strong and still 100% awesome!
I spend $130 on used Rx 6700 *(mining version GRPO X080) and I happy to play all games on Ultra 1080P 60 my LCD max refresh :)
I have an evga 1070ti too and am looking to upgrade, is the 6700 xt good for 1440p?
@@z54964380 I have Rx 6700 10GB not RX 6700 xt 12GB my LCD is still 1080P 60hz I maxed it.
from test my gpu is slower by ~13% compared to XT from reviews my GPU is capable 1440 Ultra bot some games like Cyberpunk will require FSR quality
@@z54964380 Hi yes the 6700 xt is great for 1440p gaming, I feel it's stronger at 1080p which is the resolution I play at as I have a 1080p monitor which is in good working order and I saw no reason to update it currently. I fplaying at 1440p I would assume you simply cut back on some of the detail settings, which is countered by the higher resolution. At 1080p I find my games run at Ultra/High settings for pretty much everything I have played even newer games such as Aliens Dark Descent which is surprisingly detailed and fairly taxing despite it being a top down isometric type of game. FC5 Runs on Ultra 90-100fps just to give you some context. I do have an I7 7700K paired with my card alongside 32GB DDR4 CL16 so I am guessing depending on your system config results may vary. Hope this was somewhat helpful. Just to clarify though my card is the Red Devil version of the card which I believe is Overclocked compared to a standard 6700 xt would be it's great but not as good as the 6700 xt Nitro or Strix version of the card which have higher clocks so that is something to bear in mind.
Man I'm glad I went with the 7900XT. Came from the GTX 1080 (8 Gig card), and boy the HUGE night and day difference is amazing! Was pretty disappointed with the 40X series Nvidea cards. Was originally was going to grab the 4080 (16 gig card) but after everything that came out, I decided to get the 7900XT. Glad I did!
I noticed people suggesting to put them in order of price, but that doesn't work in all countries. Unfortunately 😕
Thanks for making me feel even better about my decision. I bought an RX 6700XT last month
I like the cards being reordered based on results for each chart. What I've seen others do to help with readability is to highlight the card being reviewed and any other card being talked about in the script
Just for the record, I still appreciate what you and your team do and I appreciate the early information. Anyone taking pre-release information as a complete, all-encompassing benchmark/review is dumb.
2:46 These are prices for the 3070, not the A770.