"Short, lame, epileptic, senile and completely bald before 35, always on the verge of death but repeatedly baffling Christendom by continuing to live." remains one of my favorite quotes of all time.
Charles V’s portraits seem idealized (the beard hides his jaw however) but Charles II? He doesn’t look any better at all. I think the 17th century portraits were more accurate than the 16th century ones.
I may be misremembering this but wasn't this the king whose autopsy showed one testicle to be 'a shriveled and gnarled walnut, black as coal' and the other 'wholly absent in its entirety'? Hard to make heirs when you can't even shoot blanks.
Funfact: One of the last people to have a rather visible form of the habsburg jaw was Emperor of Brazil, Pedro II (1825 - 1891) His mother was Maria Leopoldine of Austria of the house Habsburg-Lothringen
@@winnienguyen4420 the famous jaw was only around from around 1440-1700, pedro's jaw probably wasn't linked to that anymore. Also it was not as ubiquitous as is commonly assumed; you can look at the habsburg emperors starting from maximilian I, only about a third of them in that time period had a noticable jaw. While incest certainly was a problem, its effects are nowadays commonly exaggerated. Not every health problem of the kings was due to inbreeding, a lot of it is simply poor standards of medicine at the time.
I think the saddest aspect of Charles's short life was that he wasn't an imbecile, he knew he was ugly and very different from others. I doubt he had many friends or truly trustworthy servants, and towards his late 20s I suspect Charles knew he wasn't going to live much longer.
I think it was Charles V that originally wrote and performed the song “We’re here for a good time (Not a long time)” The group Trooper took a while to decipher what Charles V was singing about.
I love how you gave a mention to the history of inbreeding in the Hawaiian royal families, It's not great but it's our history and I'm glad you mentioned it.
Didn’t the practice die out before before the overthrow of the monarchy? I believe the last queen of Hawaii wasn’t even related to the royals, so I wonder if the practice indeed ended by then. Do let me know if you know.
I love how this is recommended to me right after a corrective jaw surgery. It's also funny that I have Spanish heritage and my grandparents were cousins....
Ha! I also had corrective jaw surgery for prognathism. As far as I know (and dear god I hope they're not) my parents aren't actually related, it was just a freak coincidence they both had the genes for it. Good luck on your recovery, it's a rough surgery to recover from!
I don’t think “gigs chads” existed back then, go look up ancient/historical artwork and sculptures: everyone seemed to have round or oval faces even the men back then only had oval faces apparently. I don’t think sexual dimorphism in the face didn’t evolve in the human race until very recently like in the seventies in the EARLIEST….
I imagine Charles II looked even more hideous than the paintings of him show. Medieval painters tended to make their subjects look better than they actually looked. This was likely done to ensure the painter wouldn't get beheaded. For example, Robespierre looks normal in his paintings but in reality he was hideous, with pockmarks ridding his face
Not just then. Photos and paintings of Stalin didn't show his pockmarks either. Images of Kim Il-Sung never showed the gigantic disgusting tumor on the right back of his neck, which is why images of him later in life always have his head turned to his right with the viewer being to Kim's left.
@@IrishCarneyStalin’s official pictures were probably airbrushed but other pictures (such as ones with him alongside Churchill and FDR) were probably very accurate to his true face.
Robespierre had some facial scarring but there’s no evidence that he was ‘hideously’ (as in his whole face was covered completely) scarred. He wasn’t the most healthy man regardless.
@@ferretyluv "it was early modern" 🤓🤓🤓 as far as anyone is concerned, medieval times were any time from 1000 ad to the 1700s ad 1700s was colonial times 1800s was industrial/imperial times 1900s was late imperial/pre modern times 2000s is modern times
as a doctor i actually studied about the dynasty of hasburgs wich was very interesting, these guys had a disease that caused their jaws to grow way too much compared to the rest of their face, and the fact that their upper maxilary had a lack of growth didnt help at all, 33 of of 40 ish members suffered from it, this disease is extremly hard to treat today letalone in the medieval ages, it also affects many people who arent a result of incestuous relations, its called true or anatomic jaw prognatism
@@cykablyat9526 They're probably interpreting your comment about the disease also affecting people with non-incestuous heritage as: "The Habsburgs didn't practice incest." People on the internet are weird like that.
It is all fun and games until your family tree is a straight line, glad royals stopped this practice but can you imagine the embarrassment the children must feel
Royals haven't completely stopped the practice. In places like the UK. Or the nobles in places like Germany. They still prefer cousins or other relatives to marry into, who are almost always other nobles.
@@rosiefay7283 "The House of Habsburg (/ˈhæpsbɜːrɡ/), alternatively spelled *Hapsburg* in English and also known as the House of Austria is one of the most prominent and important dynasties in European history." - Wiki-Fucking-pedia :)
"To secure bloodlines and keep them pure." That's a very nice way of saying keeping the money in the family at all costs. Even if it means sleeping with your first cousin.
Of which was very common in the US prior to the 1900s with no Biblical restriction. That is, it is not a sin. And the recent studies done show there is very little difference in genetic deformities than that of strangers. Not saying you should marry your first cousin. Just saying you may not like the facts if you look it up yourself.
@@eddtoro Little known Canadian fact: The first Prime Minister of Canada John A.McDonald was married to his first cousin, and on the list of who a person can legally marry in Canada, a First Cousin is one of them. (I wonder who had _That_ law passed ?) 🤦♂️
Well maybe their cousin was hot🤷♂️ In a more serious way, cousin and intra-family was an incredibly common thing in pre-modern era. It's really not a big deal, unless you keep doing it for multiple generations, in which you would end up like Habsburgs....
Let's not forget that the Egyptian rulers were divided over *a lot* of different dynasties that were not related, so the thrown was renewed with new genetic material.
yeah there were like 30+ dynasties right? And the new dynasties often married relatives of the prior dynasties to gain legitimacy and considering the dynasties of Egypt were Egyptians, Nubians, Libyans, Assyrians, Mesopotamians and Greeks I presume that helped a bit with the genetic diversity.
@@viorp5267 Nah most of the rulers had Egyptian blood in them so certain genes had time to mutate and weaken the next generation even if there were not "pure" Egyptian. Males in particular suffer from this while females did better. It's hard to say since many were stylized in statues and monuments but in general you'd rather be Cleopatra than Tutankamun who was practically disabled making him an easy target for assassination. At least Cleopatra went out on her own terms.
The majority of those Dynasties were all Africans starting with the very first Dynasty for the exception of the Hyksos, Romans and Greeks (the latter groups were colonists/invaders and shouldn’t even be considered as Dynasties). The Egyptians and Nubians come from the same race, their genetic makeup wouldn’t be drastically different.
I knew about Charles II but had no idea Charles I already suffered from the Habsburg jaw! Also very interesting to think how Egypt might have avoided some of the most serious consequences. The info on Hawaii is completely new to me, so thanks a lot!
I wouldn't be surprised given the time period Egypt's pharaohs were in(the BC where most countries didn't even exist yet) that "marrying his sister" was really more about relying on the royal families to support each other in actual rulership. The marriage was just so his sister would have an official position that wouldn't be sacrilegious to the common populations. The funny thing is a game I play "Crusader Kings" I've done exactly this. I married my ruler to a half sister who was slutty in order to obtain an alliance with the other half of the kingdom. Then I just had my ruler become celibate and the slutty sister just so happened to become pregnant on her own, because she was cheating on her brother. Then I just ignored the question of family lineage and welcomed all 4 of the new heirs to the throne that she birthed from randoms she had been breeding with.
It's kinda poetic that these royal families were so obssessed with keeping all the power and wealth for their own family only that this is what caused their downfall and extinction
I have always had this strange interest in the Hapsburg Jaw and how extreme it became. There aren't a lot of videos on YT which go into depth on it, so it's nice to see your channel package it into a 6 minute video.
Henry VIII: So, can I have the French throne like we agreed? Charles V: Mmmm... No. Henry VIII: What?! Charles V: And also, I don't want to marry your ugly daughter anymore. Henry VIII: (sputters in confusion) Ugly?! Have you seen your chin?! Charles V: *_Mummy says it's a strong chin for a strong boy!_*
In Vietnam we have the Trần dynasty whose practiced incest too, early Trần emperors don't have much deformity but later emperors do, they all die painful and sickly.
One of the myths that persists even to this day is that royals only marry off their children to make political alliances-but in reality, they are well aware of how inbreeding with immediate family members produces creatures that are hard to look at. Marrying cousins who have been separated from the main branch for two to three generations solved this issue for royal families. Even with the Hapsburgs, other European crowns refused to marry into their family as a check on the juggernaut that the Habsburg kingdom was becoming. Many theorize this was actually the reason Charles V separated the Spanish Crown from the Holy Roman Empire, because he knew other royal families would no longer offer up their own to keep that family alive.
I am extremely skeptical in regard to 'inbreeding' claim, as most of the 'history' done by the Anglo-Saxons not everyone is at it seems to be embellished propaganda. Spanis Crow had some inbreeding but not much more than other royal families . Just like with the black legend things are way overexaggerate.
The cousin marriage solved nothing. In fact some genetic tests shown that families who each mixed with cousins for sever generations ended up MORE inbred and with a smaller gene pool than kids literal direct incest. A tiny puddle of people who intermarries so much end up having the same genes anyway.
There are three cases in which a large chin occurs: in tall people (probably a side effect of excessive growth hormone at birth), due to Scandinavian origin (this is characteristic of Scandinavians and Germans as well, as they also mixed with each other), and because aristocrats have been compulsorily marrying each other for centuries. sooner or later, the genetic conflicts came out in this form as well By the way, it is fashionable today, especially in the USA, to have a bigger chin with plastic surgery I have seen a couple Habsburg descendants, but they all have normal chins and looks
@@MMadesen In the majority of cases, aristocrats married aristocrats in the course of history, but today this is not necessarily fashionable, perhaps they also realized the harmful effects of inbreeding DNA Although that red guy in Great Britain Harry made a good choice with that black girl, there was a problem because in this case it is not certain that the joint child will be white and even Queen Elizabeth II, who has since died, was allegedly offended by this, allegedly for this reason as well Harry was partially divorced from the British Royal House In the Hofburg Vienna, which has existed since 1279 and is one of the largest Renaissance buildings in Europe, it covers 240,000 square meters, has 18 building sections, 54 staircases, 26 corridors, 19 courtyards and 2,600 rooms. 5,000 people live and work in the complex. It's no small experience in live, you seriously feel like a dwarf when you enter the yard and look around
@@jackwalker3311 The British are a mixed breed, although they classify themselves as "Celts" racially, but in truth, it should be better to look into the DNA to see if there really is a separate Celtic people Britain was first occupied by the Vikings, then used by the Romans as a retirement site for aging legionnaires There are also a lot of Spanish Catalans and French immigrants, but I have also seen quite a few Italian-looking Britons, and there is also a visible German population in Great Britain But it cannot be clearly determined what the "British" origin covers, because there are no external typical identifying marks, as for example with Scandinavians, Italians, Germans, Jews, Dutch people, the issue of race can be clearly identified even on the basis of the face There is no such thing as Anglo Saxon: you are British or Irish or Saxon, but the Saxons are German, not British Saxony still exists today: German province Saxony is a province of Germany, its capital is Dresden Population: around 4,000
What’s frightening to me is that we all know that the paintings of these freaks have to severely down play the issues. Those artists had their work cut out to still make them look slightly human .
Yup, most royal paintings are something between a very flattering Instagram filter and Photoshop on face to completely AI generated image based on description if we use modern equivalents. Realistic paintings are a very recent thing in history in general too, most were stylized on purpose.
Inbreeding doesn't exactly cause genetic disorders, it mostly just activates them. If you have a defective gene, it usually isn't a problem since most genes are expressed in two chromosomes. However, if the other copy is also defective you will have a problem because that gene will no longer function at all. As such, inbreding doesn't introduce new genetic mutations to the gene pool, but causes the deleterious mutations to manifest.
the total irony. How they were afraid that if they bred outside their family that their empire would collapse, yet all their families collapsed due to the imbreeding
On another series, the quest for a new monarch for Spain in the 1860’s caused the Franco Prussian war in 1870. Bismarck forged a letter that started the war between France and the German states.
@@michaelhowell2326 The Spanish deposed their monarchy in the early 19th century probably for this reason. Later they wanted a new monarch and looked for a Noble in another country. I believe that France and Prussia had their favorite candidates and pressured the Spanish. Bismarck forged a letter that insulted the French and the war started. It was one of the videos from Time Ghost.
Prognathism, also called Habsburg jaw or Habsburgs' jaw primarily in the context of its prevalence amongst members of the House of Habsburg, is a positional relationship of the mandible or maxilla to the skeletal base where either of the jaws protrudes beyond a predetermined imaginary line in the coronal plane of the skull. In general dentistry, oral and maxillofacial surgery, and orthodontics, this is assessed clinically or radiographically. The word prognathism derives from the Greek πρό and γνάθος. One or more types of prognathism can result in the common condition of malocclusion, in which an individual's top teeth and lower teeth do not align properly.
One thing no one ever seems to touch on. The old philosophy of Mama's baby papa's maybe. So the king and his sister had a child even if she had taken a separate lover in secret the child would still have Royal blood.
I wouldn’t call this a good thing. Royal houses going extinct causes succession crises and wars that usually involve multiple other kingdoms with an interest in who exactly gets the throne. I know this might be a joke, but it’s basically unneeded bloodshed.
I was very close to not watching this because I wasn't interested in just 8 minutes about a habsburg jaw. Very glad that was not what it was so I wish it was represented the way it deserved in the title. Don't sell yourselves short, you're amazing and don't need weird clickbait!
For the sake of accuracy, I must mention here that late studies in the 20th century have revealed that the chance of genetic deformity among marriage with first cousins is no different than a woman over 40 having children with a stranger. The science has shown that with third cousin marriage, there is no risk of genetic defects and they then to stay married longer and have more children. Furthermore, in the US where a large portion of cousin marriage taboos are found, prior to the 1900s, 10 percent of marriages were among cousins. When we see genetic deformities, we often do not see it was among cousin marriage but instead, among ordinary strangers. Also, for those who do believe in the Bible, there is no Biblical restriction against cousin marriage. Mary and Joseph were cousins. I mention this just as facts you can research yourself. Take what you like and leave what you don't. No amount of facts will stop pre-learned prejudices.
If you travel in the south, in rural areas of the US, you will find towns that are filled with the same kind of face. It varies, but there is sometimes a small town and all the people you see have the same look to them. I suspect you'll find similar incidents all over the US and in other countries in isolated areas that avoid travel and widening their social circles.
Yeah if it's a small gene puddle to begin with an isolated community will eventually have very little diversity. People knew that since forever hence the taboos. But also, several traditions where young people were basically forced to look for a wide/husband outside the village. And a bunch of traditions related to that.
I've heard a lot of stories of country/small town folk having to double check lineage before asking someone out or having to date exclusively in other towns because they're related to the majority of people in their hometown.
Henry:”Mary, I’d like to introduce to you your 22 year old fully grown adult cousin, and now your future husband” Mary:”Ew He looks inbred” Henry:”MARY!!!…….. WE’RE ALL INBRED”!
You're not kidding on that one. I learned nothing about history from school. The focus on names and dates and memorization made it torture. It wasn't until I got interested in some movies like 300 I decided to look up history on my own. Now I can give you a relatively solid history of Greece/Rome/Italy from the bronze age collapse up to the time the Habsburgs got control of the peninsula. Its all about how much fun you have while studying and school is the antithesis of fun.
These are far more effective than the regimented manner in which schools teach. Read, Study, Memorize, Test, then brain dump before starting next lesson. It isn't about information retention or skill development, it is about marking a checkbox.
As a child I remember other kids saying this about RUclips videos. The secret was, all the other kids knew those kids were just dumb so we were like "sure Mike, sure. Just keep watching videos and stop messing up the group project"
"Short, lame, epileptic, senile and completely bald before 35, always on the verge of death but repeatedly baffling Christendom by continuing to live." remains one of my favorite quotes of all time. 😊😊
The Habsburg jaw is also known as prognathism and is not always caused by inbreeding. Jay Leno is probably the most famous contemporary person that has a mild case of prognathism. Mild. And it’s still the feature that caricature artists always draw first and most… more severe case affect one’s ability to talk or eat. Prognathism physically affects males more than females because their jawbones are naturally larger anyway… but female Habsburgs with the jaw ended up with a sort of cute pout (exemplified by Marie Antoinette). This might even be a contributing factor to why we still seem to think a very full lower lip and “duck face” is attractive… noble beauty standards tend to stay in cultures for a pretty long time.
My husband had Habsburg's jaw. He had surgery to correct it when he was in his mid 20s, more than 40 years ago. He said the recovery was very uncomfortable.
"Short, lame, epileptic, senile and completely bald before 35, always on the verge of death but repeatedly baffling Christendom by continuing to live." remains one of my favorite quotes of all time.
God: why won't you die!
Timestamp?
@@kaiserklausmouse it's not in the video, it was an actual quote
@@Sumschmuck it was mentioned in Infographics show's video on royal inbreeding as well.
Love the quote, where it's from
The face only a mother can love despite being also her sister/cousin
And father/husband
That's only because they have the same face!
Brilliant comment
Reminds me of that mumbling character from family guy.
Brother/son
The paintings of Hapsburg were idealized to make them look handsome/beautiful but they still look ugly. Imagine how they actually looked.
Charles V’s portraits seem idealized (the beard hides his jaw however) but Charles II? He doesn’t look any better at all. I think the 17th century portraits were more accurate than the 16th century ones.
I keep imagining how they smelled. 🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮
@@DarlingNikki2 ruclips.net/user/clipUgkx55lawxQzeh3mClWG227Zu6keiwYRjcy1
The Spanish court painters didn't flatter people as much as the painters of the other noble houses did.
Blud got that zesty ahh jaw
The Habsburg jaw: A face only a cousin could love.
Lmaoooo 😂😂😂😂
Some times niece and uncle could also love their faces
I may be misremembering this but wasn't this the king whose autopsy showed one testicle to be 'a shriveled and gnarled walnut, black as coal' and the other 'wholly absent in its entirety'?
Hard to make heirs when you can't even shoot blanks.
Yep
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
god rlly said "nope!" and made him infertile to keep him from further inbreeding 💀💀💀
Yup
It's a mercy of nature that this line wasn't able to continue.
“Mummy says it’s a strong chin for a strong boy”
Charles V
That Roman numeral 5 is the actual shape of his jaw.
@@garrettsattem4799 🤣💀
@@garrettsattem4799 the comment and this reply have me dead, how in gods name do yall come up with this 💀
@@garrettsattem4799 chin so sharp, you can cut open cans with it
oversimplfied reference
Funfact:
One of the last people to have a rather visible form of the habsburg jaw was Emperor of Brazil, Pedro II (1825 - 1891)
His mother was Maria Leopoldine of Austria of the house Habsburg-Lothringen
I see why he has grown the beard.
Wait what?, Never noticed it in paintings.
Yes I was surprised Emperor Franz Joseph didn't get it. His face looked pretty normal.
@@winnienguyen4420 the famous jaw was only around from around 1440-1700, pedro's jaw probably wasn't linked to that anymore. Also it was not as ubiquitous as is commonly assumed; you can look at the habsburg emperors starting from maximilian I, only about a third of them in that time period had a noticable jaw. While incest certainly was a problem, its effects are nowadays commonly exaggerated. Not every health problem of the kings was due to inbreeding, a lot of it is simply poor standards of medicine at the time.
@@halftime919 Half Life
I think the saddest aspect of Charles's short life was that he wasn't an imbecile, he knew he was ugly and very different from others. I doubt he had many friends or truly trustworthy servants, and towards his late 20s I suspect Charles knew he wasn't going to live much longer.
I heard he also drooled and had to have a handkerchief continually available.
@@georgiafrye2815his tongue was so big he could hardly keep it in his mouth.
in his position i think i might not want to
I think it was Charles V that originally wrote and performed the song “We’re here for a good time (Not a long time)” The group Trooper took a while to decipher what Charles V was singing about.
He was mentally challenged.
To be fair a lot of people liked the Hapsburg jaw. Siblings, mostly.
How to tell if your related same jawline lol
Haaaaa
lol
I wonder if Quagmire is related to them
🤮
I love how you gave a mention to the history of inbreeding in the Hawaiian royal families,
It's not great but it's our history and I'm glad you mentioned it.
Didn’t the practice die out before before the overthrow of the monarchy?
I believe the last queen of Hawaii wasn’t even related to the royals, so I wonder if the practice indeed ended by then.
Do let me know if you know.
This is the way history is supposed to be viewed. Sure, it's not pretty but I'd rather know it than not know it.
Wonder why Moana didn't mention anything about it... Kind of shifts my entire perspective of the movie.
@@themonsterunderyourbed9408 I’d wager she wasn’t Hawaiian.
@@Justin-pe9cl
Moana is Polynesian.
Hawaii is part of the Polynesian islands.
Mom says:"You are handsome like a prince"
The prince:
😂 oh my
I love how this is recommended to me right after a corrective jaw surgery. It's also funny that I have Spanish heritage and my grandparents were cousins....
Ha! I also had corrective jaw surgery for prognathism. As far as I know (and dear god I hope they're not) my parents aren't actually related, it was just a freak coincidence they both had the genes for it.
Good luck on your recovery, it's a rough surgery to recover from!
How big is your chin?
@@cristhianramirez6939 PLS WHY WOULD YOU ASK THAT
Damn the algorithm clowning on you hard rn
that last part is fucking gross
The horrible reality of the giga chad chin.
☠️
Reality is often disappointing
Many sacrifices were made in the pursuit of perfection
@@thechin9241 Little did they know you couldn’t manipulate a Gigachad into existence.
He enters reality on his own accord.
I don’t think “gigs chads” existed back then, go look up ancient/historical artwork and sculptures: everyone seemed to have round or oval faces even the men back then only had oval faces apparently. I don’t think sexual dimorphism in the face didn’t evolve in the human race until very recently like in the seventies in the EARLIEST….
What hundreds of years of inbreeding does to a bloodline
What hundredth of yearth of inbreeding doeth to a bloodline
Darwin Award
@jibril2473 The perfect award for them, especially in a literal biological sense.
Gotta keepb the bloodline "pure"
Sweet Home Alabama
I imagine Charles II looked even more hideous than the paintings of him show. Medieval painters tended to make their subjects look better than they actually looked. This was likely done to ensure the painter wouldn't get beheaded. For example, Robespierre looks normal in his paintings but in reality he was hideous, with pockmarks ridding his face
Not just then. Photos and paintings of Stalin didn't show his pockmarks either. Images of Kim Il-Sung never showed the gigantic disgusting tumor on the right back of his neck, which is why images of him later in life always have his head turned to his right with the viewer being to Kim's left.
@@IrishCarneyStalin’s official pictures were probably airbrushed but other pictures (such as ones with him alongside Churchill and FDR) were probably very accurate to his true face.
Robespierre had some facial scarring but there’s no evidence that he was ‘hideously’ (as in his whole face was covered completely) scarred. He wasn’t the most healthy man regardless.
This wasn’t medieval. It was early modern.
@@ferretyluv "it was early modern" 🤓🤓🤓 as far as anyone is concerned, medieval times were any time from 1000 ad to the 1700s ad
1700s was colonial times
1800s was industrial/imperial times
1900s was late imperial/pre modern times
2000s is modern times
as a doctor i actually studied about the dynasty of hasburgs wich was very interesting, these guys had a disease that caused their jaws to grow way too much compared to the rest of their face, and the fact that their upper maxilary had a lack of growth didnt help at all, 33 of of 40 ish members suffered from it, this disease is extremly hard to treat today letalone in the medieval ages, it also affects many people who arent a result of incestuous relations, its called true or anatomic jaw prognatism
@perseus274 im so confused, excuses for what
@@cykablyat9526 They're probably interpreting your comment about the disease also affecting people with non-incestuous heritage as: "The Habsburgs didn't practice incest."
People on the internet are weird like that.
Genetic diseases is often the hardest to cure
@@egg-iu3fe yes, it has a high chance of reappearing even if its treated perfectly
@perseus274or you just go get an education.
It is all fun and games until your family tree is a straight line, glad royals stopped this practice but can you imagine the embarrassment the children must feel
🎶"Sweet House Von Habsburg"🎶
Royals haven't completely stopped the practice. In places like the UK. Or the nobles in places like Germany. They still prefer cousins or other relatives to marry into, who are almost always other nobles.
@@genericscout5408 Nobles still exist in Germany?
@@alsanderandciaran
Yes, but it's mostly just titles now. They don't hold any real significant political power
@@genericscout5408 bri ish moment
To keep it polite, the Hapsburg's bloodline could charitably be called the Royal Tumbleweed.
Family wreath instead of family tree.
@@GhostBear3067 The ultimate cycle
A tree with no branches
Come on, the correct spelling's in the video's title.
@@rosiefay7283
"The House of Habsburg (/ˈhæpsbɜːrɡ/), alternatively spelled *Hapsburg* in English and also known as the House of Austria is one of the most prominent and important dynasties in European history." - Wiki-Fucking-pedia :)
"To secure bloodlines and keep them pure." That's a very nice way of saying keeping the money in the family at all costs. Even if it means sleeping with your first cousin.
Precisely so.
Of which was very common in the US prior to the 1900s with no Biblical restriction. That is, it is not a sin. And the recent studies done show there is very little difference in genetic deformities than that of strangers. Not saying you should marry your first cousin. Just saying you may not like the facts if you look it up yourself.
@@eddtoro Little known Canadian fact: The first Prime Minister of Canada John A.McDonald was married to his first cousin, and on the list of who a person can legally marry in Canada, a First Cousin is one of them. (I wonder who had _That_ law passed ?) 🤦♂️
Well maybe their cousin was hot🤷♂️
In a more serious way, cousin and intra-family was an incredibly common thing in pre-modern era. It's really not a big deal, unless you keep doing it for multiple generations, in which you would end up like Habsburgs....
Let's not forget that the Egyptian rulers were divided over *a lot* of different dynasties that were not related, so the thrown was renewed with new genetic material.
yeah there were like 30+ dynasties right? And the new dynasties often married relatives of the prior dynasties to gain legitimacy and considering the dynasties of Egypt were Egyptians, Nubians, Libyans, Assyrians, Mesopotamians and Greeks I presume that helped a bit with the genetic diversity.
@@viorp5267 Nah most of the rulers had Egyptian blood in them so certain genes had time to mutate and weaken the next generation even if there were not "pure" Egyptian. Males in particular suffer from this while females did better. It's hard to say since many were stylized in statues and monuments but in general you'd rather be Cleopatra than Tutankamun who was practically disabled making him an easy target for assassination. At least Cleopatra went out on her own terms.
@@melindacadarette3447 guess the gods were still angry for his father's monotheism
@@EternalEmperorofZakuul you mean imenhotep iv?
The majority of those Dynasties were all Africans starting with the very first Dynasty for the exception of the Hyksos, Romans and Greeks (the latter groups were colonists/invaders and shouldn’t even be considered as Dynasties). The Egyptians and Nubians come from the same race, their genetic makeup wouldn’t be drastically different.
I knew about Charles II but had no idea Charles I already suffered from the Habsburg jaw! Also very interesting to think how Egypt might have avoided some of the most serious consequences. The info on Hawaii is completely new to me, so thanks a lot!
Egypt played 4D chess while Hapsburgs were struggling with Checkers.
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I wouldn't be surprised given the time period Egypt's pharaohs were in(the BC where most countries didn't even exist yet) that "marrying his sister" was really more about relying on the royal families to support each other in actual rulership. The marriage was just so his sister would have an official position that wouldn't be sacrilegious to the common populations. The funny thing is a game I play "Crusader Kings" I've done exactly this. I married my ruler to a half sister who was slutty in order to obtain an alliance with the other half of the kingdom. Then I just had my ruler become celibate and the slutty sister just so happened to become pregnant on her own, because she was cheating on her brother. Then I just ignored the question of family lineage and welcomed all 4 of the new heirs to the throne that she birthed from randoms she had been breeding with.
@@setcheck67That's probably hilariously accurate for the region
It's kinda poetic that these royal families were so obssessed with keeping all the power and wealth for their own family only that this is what caused their downfall and extinction
Ironic I would say.
I read that instead of 64 ancestors the average person would have had, Charles V had only 8.
That sounds about right.
^ he was the charles I with the horrible jaw thing. charles I of Spain, V of the HRE i think
I have always had this strange interest in the Hapsburg Jaw and how extreme it became. There aren't a lot of videos on YT which go into depth on it, so it's nice to see your channel package it into a 6 minute video.
Henry VIII: So, can I have the French throne like we agreed?
Charles V: Mmmm... No.
Henry VIII: What?!
Charles V: And also, I don't want to marry your ugly daughter anymore.
Henry VIII: (sputters in confusion) Ugly?! Have you seen your chin?!
Charles V: *_Mummy says it's a strong chin for a strong boy!_*
YES!!! REAL man of culture here!
I see you're a man of culture as well
Imagine having a chin that could hit a home run
A heart the size of a peppercorn
And the constant chance of death every second
I would off myself
@@josefigueroa3930 who wouldn’t
Charles II is one of the cases were not being born at all is the preferable option.
I mean tetnically we all have the constant chance of death every second...
Not as great of a chance but a chance.
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Habsburg’s: *start to notice genetic mutation*
Also Habsburg’s: let’s continue this
Blud's mewing streak lasted for 38 years. Absolute chad.
😂
In Vietnam we have the Trần dynasty whose practiced incest too, early Trần emperors don't have much deformity but later emperors do, they all die painful and sickly.
I heard once that Charles’ portrait painter had been kind when he painted that portrait. Charles’ deformities were even worse than what we see.
I love how you just put a silent pause with Charles II’s face on it at the end.
😂😂😂😂😂
your thumbnails are a gift that keeps giving
One of the myths that persists even to this day is that royals only marry off their children to make political alliances-but in reality, they are well aware of how inbreeding with immediate family members produces creatures that are hard to look at. Marrying cousins who have been separated from the main branch for two to three generations solved this issue for royal families. Even with the Hapsburgs, other European crowns refused to marry into their family as a check on the juggernaut that the Habsburg kingdom was becoming. Many theorize this was actually the reason Charles V separated the Spanish Crown from the Holy Roman Empire, because he knew other royal families would no longer offer up their own to keep that family alive.
I am extremely skeptical in regard to 'inbreeding' claim, as most of the 'history' done by the Anglo-Saxons not everyone is at it seems to be embellished propaganda. Spanis Crow had some inbreeding but not much more than other royal families . Just like with the black legend things are way overexaggerate.
The cousin marriage solved nothing. In fact some genetic tests shown that families who each mixed with cousins for sever generations ended up MORE inbred and with a smaller gene pool than kids literal direct incest. A tiny puddle of people who intermarries so much end up having the same genes anyway.
There are three cases in which a large chin occurs: in tall people (probably a side effect of excessive growth hormone at birth), due to Scandinavian origin (this is characteristic of Scandinavians and Germans as well, as they also mixed with each other), and because aristocrats have been compulsorily marrying each other for centuries. sooner or later, the genetic conflicts came out in this form as well
By the way, it is fashionable today, especially in the USA, to have a bigger chin with plastic surgery
I have seen a couple Habsburg descendants, but they all have normal chins and looks
The one who had it in the most severe case died out. The austrian habsburgs werent that inbred. Just to a normal degree for their time.
@@MMadesen In the majority of cases, aristocrats married aristocrats in the course of history, but today this is not necessarily fashionable, perhaps they also realized the harmful effects of inbreeding DNA
Although that red guy in Great Britain Harry made a good choice with that black girl, there was a problem because in this case it is not certain that the joint child will be white and even Queen Elizabeth II, who has since died, was allegedly offended by this, allegedly for this reason as well Harry was partially divorced from the British Royal House
In the Hofburg Vienna, which has existed since 1279 and is one of the largest Renaissance buildings in Europe, it covers 240,000 square meters, has 18 building sections, 54 staircases, 26 corridors, 19 courtyards and 2,600 rooms. 5,000 people live and work in the complex.
It's no small experience in live, you seriously feel like a dwarf when you enter the yard and look around
Germanic and Anglo-Saxon people have long, horse-like faces while Slavs have wider jawlines and sport a military buzz cut very often.
@@jackwalker3311 Anglo Saxon people are germanic.
And what your saying is of course a very rough generalization. But there is some truth in that.
@@jackwalker3311 The British are a mixed breed, although they classify themselves as "Celts" racially, but in truth, it should be better to look into the DNA to see if there really is a separate Celtic people
Britain was first occupied by the Vikings, then used by the Romans as a retirement site for aging legionnaires
There are also a lot of Spanish Catalans and French immigrants, but I have also seen quite a few Italian-looking Britons, and there is also a visible German population in Great Britain
But it cannot be clearly determined what the "British" origin covers, because there are no external typical identifying marks, as for example with Scandinavians, Italians, Germans, Jews, Dutch people, the issue of race can be clearly identified even on the basis of the face
There is no such thing as Anglo Saxon: you are British or Irish or Saxon, but the Saxons are German, not British
Saxony still exists today:
German province
Saxony is a province of Germany, its capital is Dresden
Population: around 4,000
What’s frightening to me is that we all know that the paintings of these freaks have to severely down play the issues. Those artists had their work cut out to still make them look slightly human .
Yup, most royal paintings are something between a very flattering Instagram filter and Photoshop on face to completely AI generated image based on description if we use modern equivalents. Realistic paintings are a very recent thing in history in general too, most were stylized on purpose.
Spanish royal painters weren't like that. Look at Queen Mary painted by a Spanish painters vs by an English court one.
Inbreeding doesn't exactly cause genetic disorders, it mostly just activates them. If you have a defective gene, it usually isn't a problem since most genes are expressed in two chromosomes. However, if the other copy is also defective you will have a problem because that gene will no longer function at all.
As such, inbreding doesn't introduce new genetic mutations to the gene pool, but causes the deleterious mutations to manifest.
I don't know how I feel about this video. It really feels like a family matter.
Basically mewing before mewing is a thing.
the total irony. How they were afraid that if they bred outside their family that their empire would collapse, yet all their families collapsed due to the imbreeding
Children born of incest is the saddest abomination you think of. Everyone deserves long healthy lives. Truly a dark time in humanity
Its still happening with the Aristocracy. They are so greedy, they don.t want to share their Cash.
Not humanity mostly royalty I don't think peasants we're inbred like this
On another series, the quest for a new monarch for Spain in the 1860’s caused the Franco Prussian war in 1870. Bismarck forged a letter that started the war between France and the German states.
What does that have to do with anything?
@@michaelhowell2326 The Spanish deposed their monarchy in the early 19th century probably for this reason. Later they wanted a new monarch and looked for a Noble in another country. I believe that France and Prussia had their favorite candidates and pressured the Spanish. Bismarck forged a letter that insulted the French and the war started. It was one of the videos from Time Ghost.
@@657449 ok. Gotcha.
@@657449 aka spanish crown crisis?
I swear there were tons of Egyptian royale children with deformities, at least the drawings suggested as such
One well known example is King Tut who was inbred and very deformed, so i’m quite surprised the video didn’t mention it at all
The jaw problem originated when a Hapsburg married a princess of Burgundy. So it should really be called the Burgundian Jaw.
Prognathism, also called Habsburg jaw or Habsburgs' jaw primarily in the context of its prevalence amongst members of the House of Habsburg, is a positional relationship of the mandible or maxilla to the skeletal base where either of the jaws protrudes beyond a predetermined imaginary line in the coronal plane of the skull. In general dentistry, oral and maxillofacial surgery, and orthodontics, this is assessed clinically or radiographically. The word prognathism derives from the Greek πρό and γνάθος. One or more types of prognathism can result in the common condition of malocclusion, in which an individual's top teeth and lower teeth do not align properly.
Thank you for the medical school lecture
Many cases of deformity and inflicted people used to be outcastes but not if you're a royal
Then it's desirable.
Poor guy just want to be left alone and not remembered for what his parents did. Just let him rest in peace
He surrounded himself with people that had deformities and spat on them for being freaks and he himself was the biggest one.
@@anyoneofus9948did he pay them because aye therapy is just learning to cope
He's dead. Long dead. I doubt he cares
Simping for royals much?
He was actually really crappy person
I can imagine the Hapsburg Jaw can be used as a deadly hammer by slamming it on someone's head.
Interesting.
Applicable!
Destroyable!
JAW OF DESTRUCTION!
One of the very few royals in history that deserves pity.
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nuh uh he forced a child to strip and have a portrait of her hung up in court cuz she was fat and made her a jester
One thing no one ever seems to touch on. The old philosophy of Mama's baby papa's maybe. So the king and his sister had a child even if she had taken a separate lover in secret the child would still have Royal blood.
Excellent point
Kudos for playing "What is the child" while showing that child with that chin.
A face only a double-first cousin could love
Bro mewed too much
"Mommy says it's a big strong chin, for a big strong boy!"
Honestly I think this was good, it was essentially democracy by genetics. This way kings didn’t live too long, especially if they were incompetent
Delayed Darwin award
I wouldn’t call this a good thing. Royal houses going extinct causes succession crises and wars that usually involve multiple other kingdoms with an interest in who exactly gets the throne. I know this might be a joke, but it’s basically unneeded bloodshed.
I guess nature always does the right thing...
A true gigachad of his time
"Habsburg Jaw" sounds like a good name for a punk band.
Had to reread the end of that title. My dyslexia was making a fooling out of me again 😆
I read jaw as "jew" which was pretty funny. What did you read it as?
The thumbnail is art in its purest form
I like that the animations took a good inspiration from the Civ 5 leader screens.
I did notice it animator, your work has been great ;)
chadsburg jaw
That's what happens if your family line is a Christmas wreath. The jaw must have been so sharp that it could cut a diamond.
The Alabamian gigachad chin
Peasant 1: oh look a Hapsburg
Peasant 2: no that’s handsome squidward
I guess you can call it, the "Dream" chin.
#HESUGLY
Finally, something to watch that's not political woke bullshit.
"How can I face my problems when my problem is my face?" - Phillip II
I was very close to not watching this because I wasn't interested in just 8 minutes about a habsburg jaw. Very glad that was not what it was so I wish it was represented the way it deserved in the title. Don't sell yourselves short, you're amazing and don't need weird clickbait!
Very good job fellows!! Congratulations.
I love how you gave a mention to the history of inbreeding in the Hawaiian royal families.
Yep! We polys love sleeping with our relatives! 🤦🏽♀️🤣😩
It's not often Hawaii is mentioned so that's cool
Their Mew Strike is 1,000,000,000!!!
HA HA HA!!! Another Trump joke??? LOL. 😃🌈🌈
the mewing streak is crazy
Definition of natural Giga chad
For the sake of accuracy, I must mention here that late studies in the 20th century have revealed that the chance of genetic deformity among marriage with first cousins is no different than a woman over 40 having children with a stranger. The science has shown that with third cousin marriage, there is no risk of genetic defects and they then to stay married longer and have more children. Furthermore, in the US where a large portion of cousin marriage taboos are found, prior to the 1900s, 10 percent of marriages were among cousins. When we see genetic deformities, we often do not see it was among cousin marriage but instead, among ordinary strangers. Also, for those who do believe in the Bible, there is no Biblical restriction against cousin marriage. Mary and Joseph were cousins. I mention this just as facts you can research yourself. Take what you like and leave what you don't. No amount of facts will stop pre-learned prejudices.
generational mewing streak 💀💀
Bro took mewing to another level
The habsburgs were literally dream’s ancestors
😂😂😂
If you travel in the south, in rural areas of the US, you will find towns that are filled with the same kind of face. It varies, but there is sometimes a small town and all the people you see have the same look to them. I suspect you'll find similar incidents all over the US and in other countries in isolated areas that avoid travel and widening their social circles.
that would be lake isabella CA
Pomeroy, WA?
Yeah if it's a small gene puddle to begin with an isolated community will eventually have very little diversity. People knew that since forever hence the taboos. But also, several traditions where young people were basically forced to look for a wide/husband outside the village. And a bunch of traditions related to that.
I've heard a lot of stories of country/small town folk having to double check lineage before asking someone out or having to date exclusively in other towns because they're related to the majority of people in their hometown.
Moral of the story: Too much "Sweet Home Alabama" can really mess you up...and your entire bloodline
This is exactly why sweJ are known to have an inordinate amount of deformities among them.
Excuse me, why "sweet home Alabama"?
@@nenisguevaragomez8122 Uh, Trump! Obviously!!
@@SeptemberChild1835 why Trump??
Will you guys ever cover the history of Guerrilla Tactics?
Mostly just bluff via hooting, chest thumping and stopping right at the end of a charge
Jane Goodall already did.
My name is gwen quagmire and I say giggity
Who else? but quagmire!
Henry:”Mary, I’d like to introduce to you your 22 year old fully grown adult cousin, and now your future husband”
Mary:”Ew He looks inbred”
Henry:”MARY!!!…….. WE’RE ALL INBRED”!
It's crazy you can still see that chin today with the modern Hapsburg family.
Their family was so Chad they evolved the chin of the Chad
In Germany we say "Reiner Winkler Unterkeifer"
*Ruiner Winkler Ogerkeifer
It's insane the lengths some people will go to just to maintain some semblance of superiority over others.
Cause by insecurity probably
@@Danpungip It's absolutely insecurity.
"Get them before they get me."
Didn’t know history figures can mew
Kids can learn more from this channel alone then from school.
Pay attention closely. Because it's "than" not "then".
You're not kidding on that one. I learned nothing about history from school. The focus on names and dates and memorization made it torture. It wasn't until I got interested in some movies like 300 I decided to look up history on my own. Now I can give you a relatively solid history of Greece/Rome/Italy from the bronze age collapse up to the time the Habsburgs got control of the peninsula.
Its all about how much fun you have while studying and school is the antithesis of fun.
These are far more effective than the regimented manner in which schools teach. Read, Study, Memorize, Test, then brain dump before starting next lesson. It isn't about information retention or skill development, it is about marking a checkbox.
As a child I remember other kids saying this about RUclips videos.
The secret was, all the other kids knew those kids were just dumb so we were like "sure Mike, sure. Just keep watching videos and stop messing up the group project"
No.
"Short, lame, epileptic, senile and completely bald before 35, always on the verge of death but repeatedly baffling Christendom by continuing to live." remains one of my favorite quotes of all time.
😊😊
*Closest we get to a real Crimson Chin.*
Dream Face Reveal Be Like:
Not even Mike Tyson could break that jaw
American dad needs to do an episode chasing stands and sisters back to them LOL
Fun fact: You can visit the wealthy parts of London for an in-person observation of these inbreeding defects
I love your channel keep up the great stuff
99% sure this guy is dream's ancestor
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Legend has it this is how Jaws was born.
The Habsburg jaw is also known as prognathism and is not always caused by inbreeding. Jay Leno is probably the most famous contemporary person that has a mild case of prognathism.
Mild. And it’s still the feature that caricature artists always draw first and most… more severe case affect one’s ability to talk or eat.
Prognathism physically affects males more than females because their jawbones are naturally larger anyway… but female Habsburgs with the jaw ended up with a sort of cute pout (exemplified by Marie Antoinette).
This might even be a contributing factor to why we still seem to think a very full lower lip and “duck face” is attractive… noble beauty standards tend to stay in cultures for a pretty long time.
My husband had Habsburg's jaw. He had surgery to correct it when he was in his mid 20s, more than 40 years ago. He said the recovery was very uncomfortable.
It's crazy how the death of one person can cause a civil war 😕
The dinasty was dead, and since there was no democracy back then, no one could get to the throne without fighting its way in
You've mean the War of the Spanish Succession
@@sinnombre__ Democracy is even worse than monarchy.Monarchy brings order.
There was one that caused a world war lol
The habsburgs mastered mewing before it was even invented
At least the current pretender to the Habsburg Throne, Karl von Habsburg, doesn’t have it.