This video completely transformed my driving. Understanding that the handle and club face need to arrive at the same time at impact was a lightbulb 💡 moment for me! Thanks!
Great timing! I was just saying at my lesson Thursday I want to have my instructor show me correct impact position and work backwards. Now I can practice this drill before then. You guys rock!
Great video as always. It would be great if you could do a video on a “throw release” vs “twist release” and debunk some myths on what is most used by the pros and what is preferred for amateur perspective. It has been suggested that rory has a throw release and someone like bubba has a twist release
Such perfect timing for me, I'm struggling with driver delivery at the moment (I think I'm the very description you gave of someone trying too hard to hit up and getting very closed as a result. Sometimes a nice draw, other times when I'm nicely on plane is a big left miss). I'll be working on this delivery for a while now!
MAN OH MAN YOU GUYS are incredible teaching professionals so CLEAR and PRECISE and No Guessing tks so much for paiting a clear picture of what happens in a repeatable reliable professional golf swing
I used to hit the ball absolutely straight - no hook, fade, slice - dead straight! THEN I had some terrible wrist issues and quit for about ten years. I was consistently shooting 74 - 76 with an occasional 71 thrown in. Now I hit slices, hooks mostly, and fades. I'm going to do this drill and video myself to see just how far out of whack I've gotten in ten years! Thanks guys!
You guys are the best. Easy to follow and understand. I only found you guys 2 weeks ago and during that time my FIR has gone to 85% and GIR to 65%. Up about 20% for both. (Tracked using GHIN advanced stat) All this improvement in a short time while playing in NC in January.
You guys are the best in the business. We must stop people pretending irons and driver are the same swings. Your video on hip movement for pros has changed my life! How do you feel that hip movement relates to driver swings?
Gosh, I’m loving this channel. I’m a ballroom dancer and former teaching pro and this way of diving deep into the details is my bread and butter. Thanks so much!
This video is VERY helpful and informative as a beginner golfer I struggle to get my hip and shoulder align thru impact , I’ll definitely try this drill I believe it will help me A LOT !!
Great video lads currently work more on the driver so will give this a go. Have you done a video on standing up and losing posture in the backswing or any feels to help with this?
When setting up with the shaft angled slightly back from the target, it will affect the club face at adress. Should the club face be square to target line even when shaft is angled backwards or will it be slightly closed? Assuming the head is just behind the ball at setup.
Great video. At 5:00 you mention that the Pros lean the shaft of the driver back at address. I have noticed this as well. When I do this the face of the driver is pointing to the left of my target. I find this makes it difficult to trust my swing. Am I doing something wrong or will the dynamic motion of the swing align the face properly? Thanks.
For ams, would it be better (re:driver) to err on the side of hitting slightly down instead of up? Also I've always wondered can a 3 wood hit up off the tee do better (straighter & further) than a driver hit slightly down? btw looking forward to the video on those like me are much too forward at impact with their body (irons & longer clubs). cheers fellas
Up, down, or neutral has more to do with clubhead speed than handicap. Fast players can get away with neutral or slightly down, slower players would be sacrificing a good bit of distance doing so. Same applies for launch angle which is why some players hit their 15* 3wood farther than their 8 or 9 lofted driver.
YALL ARE AWESOME!! I wish I could work with y’all so bad in person!! I can drive it 300-326 is my best off the simulator so far but lord knows if I ever can hit it straight it’s about 2-8 that go straight and at that distance it gets lost a lot I can’t wait to give this video a try!
I feel like the beginning of this video misses the fact the I need to EXAGERATE my feels in slow and practice swings to get results at speed. I will make swings with my hands "too far forward" at slow speed because for years I've flipped too early. I need to feel like my hands never flip to get anywhere close to having a vertical shaft at impact with the driver. The reality is at speed my hands are going to fire a lot earlier. I do like the checkpoints you're talking about at impact and just after. I just know I have to feel an extreme change to get a small change. Love your channel, always enjoy your content and the actual data you're able to gather and share!
For me it's getting out ahead of the ball to soon, a collapsing of the left knee is sometimes the culprit or so it would appear. Do you guys remember a PGA tour player named Frank Lickliter? Man alive, watching him at Torrey Pines years ago, even with the driver he would first forward press his hands Way to the left and actually take the club back from that position, hit the ball very hard and long, so of course I just had to try that. Lol, FORE RIGHT!!
I love the idea of hitting it straight, but that's such an improbable concept. I think intent is a better phrase. It's soo much easier to intentionally curve a ball with a driver than to hit a straight shot. Granted the forgiveness of modern equipment has made that proposition easier. I come from the old persimmon days when you had to curve it and hit it on the screws. There was only one who hit it straight, Byron Nelson, hence the machine is called the iron Byron
Byron Nelson was the original "Machine" for sure. By straight we are referring to hitting the fairway lol. As you mentioned, literally hitting the ball with zero axis tilt and curve is rarely ideal. What we're demonstrating here works for both a fall right or fall left preference 👍
@@AthleticMotionGolf You might not want to swing too hard, as the graphite shaft might object. I probably don't swing hard enough for that to be an issue, unfortunately....
I’ll give this opening statement a big maybe. . Depends on your approach play . Depends on your chipping ( Pro’s average 13 greens and regulation) . Depends on you putting . Did the game got easier cause you’re closer to the green. Some players are preferring a full shot into the green. DIY
Just about to put my new pxg 9.5 degree on ebay but it’s no longer dead club waking. Dumped the wrist earlier and got plenty of height and pure strike. Thankyou. Pxg rules 😂🔫
@@AthleticMotionGolf my impact position seems right heel is high, not moderate lift. Would this be too much forward shift? Or hips too open? Maybe? I all use a rod at my left leg to monitor my forward shift. Head behind the ball for proper spine.
When you teach for a living, you quickly realize the visualization and execution are often worlds apart. Feedback is the bridge between the two, hence the prop👍
The driver is such an unforgiving club the closer you can get to plain vanilla the more plain vanilla the straightness and (lack of) curvature. Nothing with driver - 460cc - can be accentuated much.
Not sure if it has been done before, but would like to see the hand/club path thru and past impact. I see so many videos that appear to show that everything goes so far left with low hands (for Righty), but feel it is over done? Hard to be in to out and exit far left, I feel there is some misinterpretation there... and is it different from wood to iron swing? Thanks!!
@@Boss302ATC Great idea. That idea is WAAAAAAY overdone. Exiting far left is based on poor camera angles and doesn't really exist in reality. For an iron, the exit hand path is just slightly left of the downswing hand path. For a Driver, it's right of the downswing hand path.
Not a chance!!! Rahm's swing is about half of that length (also by them mentioning that player has been one of the best drivers of the last 20 years.... Rahm would have been 4 years old) ;)
It is fact that the world of golf instruction today is filled with misconceptions, exaggerations and much false material. Would you agree that the definition of a neutral grip is the "V" of the lead hand when at address points to the chin ? Would you also agree if this "V" formed by the thumb and index finger points to the trail ear or shoulder is a strong grip ? I am just trying to understand an earlier statement that most pga tour players play with a neutral grip. When in fact I see that "V" of the an overwhelming majority of pga tour players pointing to the trail ear or trail shoulder.I feel a clarification of a strong , neutral and weak grip are in order here. Please google "images " of a neutral golf grip and tell me again that most pga tour players do not play with a strong grip. Thanks guys
@@AthleticMotionGolf It is very clear that even the very definition of a neutral or strong grip is controversial. Which perfectly explains earlier statements of most pga tour pros do not have strong grips. Truly a contradiction of terms. Thanks guys
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This video completely transformed my driving. Understanding that the handle and club face need to arrive at the same time at impact was a lightbulb 💡 moment for me! Thanks!
Great!!!
Great timing! I was just saying at my lesson Thursday I want to have my instructor show me correct impact position and work backwards. Now I can practice this drill before then. You guys rock!
Awesome, we hope it helps 👊
This is exactly my problem fells .. it just recently started .. will deff try this drill .. thank you .
Great video as always. It would be great if you could do a video on a “throw release” vs “twist release” and debunk some myths on what is most used by the pros and what is preferred for amateur perspective. It has been suggested that rory has a throw release and someone like bubba has a twist release
You guys are unbelievably on point every time. I can't say how much I appreciate the content. Thank you so much!!!
Best driver video I've ever seen, and exactly what I needed to hit my driver better. Thanks Mike and Shaun! Keep up the great work!
Such perfect timing for me, I'm struggling with driver delivery at the moment (I think I'm the very description you gave of someone trying too hard to hit up and getting very closed as a result. Sometimes a nice draw, other times when I'm nicely on plane is a big left miss). I'll be working on this delivery for a while now!
Awesome. Keep us up to date as to how it's going👊
MAN OH MAN YOU GUYS are incredible teaching professionals so CLEAR and PRECISE and No Guessing tks so much for paiting a clear picture of what happens in a repeatable reliable professional golf swing
great video! I'll definitely need this when I move to using the driver with your swing system.
Let's go!
I used to hit the ball absolutely straight - no hook, fade, slice - dead straight! THEN I had some terrible wrist issues and quit for about ten years. I was consistently shooting 74 - 76 with an occasional 71 thrown in. Now I hit slices, hooks mostly, and fades. I'm going to do this drill and video myself to see just how far out of whack I've gotten in ten years! Thanks guys!
Let us know how it goes!!
Ooh this is one to work on tomorrow in the garden facing a big mirror methinks. Thanks, good drill
Sounds like a great way to spend a some free time!👊🤓
You guys are the best. Easy to follow and understand. I only found you guys 2 weeks ago and during that time my FIR has gone to 85% and GIR to 65%. Up about 20% for both. (Tracked using GHIN advanced stat) All this improvement in a short time while playing in NC in January.
Wow! Those are some legit gains there! 💪 Especially playing from the dormant mud we have going on in the south now.
You guys are the best in the business. We must stop people pretending irons and driver are the same swings. Your video on hip movement for pros has changed my life! How do you feel that hip movement relates to driver swings?
Gosh, I’m loving this channel. I’m a ballroom dancer and former teaching pro and this way of diving deep into the details is my bread and butter. Thanks so much!
Great!!!!
This makes so much sense.
Sometimes we manage to pull that off 😂
Y’all get the Nobel prize for useful golf instruction. Thanks a milli!
Thank you!!! First nobel weve ever won :)
Again a Great Demonstration of what we all searching for: Compression line and Momentum = distance x Groundforce.
Hard to have too much of that👊😊
Mike hella cracks me up lol love it
haha hes a comedian
This video is VERY helpful and informative as a beginner golfer I struggle to get my hip and shoulder align thru impact , I’ll definitely try this drill I believe it will help me A LOT !!
Can’t wait to try I’m a handle dragger causing pop ups high on face trying to release earlier struggling. Thx
Excellent video. Spot on
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Great video lads currently work more on the driver so will give this a go. Have you done a video on standing up and losing posture in the backswing or any feels to help with this?
yes we have...its one of our more popular youtube videos...
What a super lesson this is
This is me, with my driver. Best club in the bag, for me. Nice high launch, and pretty straight. However.. my irons need some work.
That’s a big reason why no one rest is best at both. Not uncommon at all to have a bias towards one or the other. But driving great sure is fun 🤩
When setting up with the shaft angled slightly back from the target, it will affect the club face at adress. Should the club face be square to target line even when shaft is angled backwards or will it be slightly closed? Assuming the head is just behind the ball at setup.
Great video. At 5:00 you mention that the Pros lean the shaft of the driver back at address. I have noticed this as well. When I do this the face of the driver is pointing to the left of my target. I find this makes it difficult to trust my swing. Am I doing something wrong or will the dynamic motion of the swing align the face properly? Thanks.
For ams, would it be better (re:driver) to err on the side of hitting slightly down instead of up? Also I've always wondered can a 3 wood hit up off the tee do better (straighter & further) than a driver hit slightly down?
btw looking forward to the video on those like me are much too forward at impact with their body (irons & longer clubs). cheers fellas
Up, down, or neutral has more to do with clubhead speed than handicap. Fast players can get away with neutral or slightly down, slower players would be sacrificing a good bit of distance doing so. Same applies for launch angle which is why some players hit their 15* 3wood farther than their 8 or 9 lofted driver.
@@AthleticMotionGolf very insightful 👍
Guys - great video. Does these concepts apply to a 3 metal wood off a tee?
Yessir👊
Thank you 😊
no problem!
Can u guys do one of these vid for 3wood off the deck?
YALL ARE AWESOME!! I wish I could work with y’all so bad in person!! I can drive it 300-326 is my best off the simulator so far but lord knows if I ever can hit it straight it’s about 2-8 that go straight and at that distance it gets lost a lot I can’t wait to give this video a try!
Love it! Let us know how it goes👊
Can you also apply that to the iron play ? Thanks !
Not really as irons are meant to have forward shaft lean.
Can you talk about VSP Vertical Swing Plane. I think understanding it can help my long irons more.
you mean this? blog.trackmangolf.com/swing-plane/
@@AthleticMotionGolf yes. How you help with setting up for correct angles
I feel like the beginning of this video misses the fact the I need to EXAGERATE my feels in slow and practice swings to get results at speed. I will make swings with my hands "too far forward" at slow speed because for years I've flipped too early. I need to feel like my hands never flip to get anywhere close to having a vertical shaft at impact with the driver. The reality is at speed my hands are going to fire a lot earlier. I do like the checkpoints you're talking about at impact and just after. I just know I have to feel an extreme change to get a small change. Love your channel, always enjoy your content and the actual data you're able to gather and share!
thanks!!!
For me it's getting out ahead of the ball to soon, a collapsing of the left knee is sometimes the culprit or so it would appear. Do you guys remember a PGA tour player named Frank Lickliter? Man alive, watching him at Torrey Pines years ago, even with the driver he would first forward press his hands Way to the left and actually take the club back from that position, hit the ball very hard and long, so of course I just had to try that. Lol, FORE RIGHT!!
Remember him well. He tended to run a little hot 🤬at times lol
Will impact with a short Iron should be the same as a driver?
no. There needs to be a little shaft lean with irons.
I love the idea of hitting it straight, but that's such an improbable concept. I think intent is a better phrase. It's soo much easier to intentionally curve a ball with a driver than to hit a straight shot. Granted the forgiveness of modern equipment has made that proposition easier. I come from the old persimmon days when you had to curve it and hit it on the screws. There was only one who hit it straight, Byron Nelson, hence the machine is called the iron Byron
Byron Nelson was the original "Machine" for sure. By straight we are referring to hitting the fairway lol. As you mentioned, literally hitting the ball with zero axis tilt and curve is rarely ideal. What we're demonstrating here works for both a fall right or fall left preference 👍
What about using an impact bag? You could have some swing speed and then see (with video or a mirror) where you end up at impact.
that could work!!
@@AthleticMotionGolf You might not want to swing too hard, as the graphite shaft might object. I probably don't swing hard enough for that to be an issue, unfortunately....
I’ll give this opening statement a big maybe.
. Depends on your approach play
. Depends on your chipping ( Pro’s average 13 greens and regulation)
. Depends on you putting
. Did the game got easier cause you’re closer to the green. Some players are preferring a full shot into the green. DIY
In what world does longer and straighter not equal lower scores? Please share that data with us.
How about down the line look?
Just about to put my new pxg 9.5 degree on ebay but it’s no longer dead club waking. Dumped the wrist earlier and got plenty of height and pure strike. Thankyou. Pxg rules 😂🔫
horray!!
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So, are you still considering this creating ‘Lag’ in the downswing though?
Charles Howell III ?
Sorry to correct the original statement... but, hitting a drive exactly where I intended (straight or not...) love you guys !!
thanks!! We love you to!!!
What is the right foot doing at impact?
Releasing. The faults would be trying to keep it down, or pushing off with it.
@@AthleticMotionGolf my impact position seems right heel is high, not moderate lift. Would this be too much forward shift? Or hips too open? Maybe?
I all use a rod at my left leg to monitor my forward shift. Head behind the ball for proper spine.
@@stephenscheibel4604 would need to see the swing to know for sure. Having the heel high off the ground isn't necessarily bad.
Wish I knew this 10 years ago. So many tips on driving on RUclips forget this.
That's an easy enough drill to visualize. No physical props needed. 🤷🏾♂️
When you teach for a living, you quickly realize the visualization and execution are often worlds apart. Feedback is the bridge between the two, hence the prop👍
I think these people are watching too much Milo lines! 😂
Is the avatar David Toms?
you guys sound like Moe Norman now.. lol
You ok buddy?
The driver is such an unforgiving club the closer you can get to plain vanilla the more plain vanilla the straightness and (lack of) curvature. Nothing with driver - 460cc - can be accentuated much.
Not me thinking our guys are just surrounded by rattlesnakes
You guys must be busy these days...! Love to have more videos but I am sure you are in too demand! Cheers
We’re very blessed. We shooting loads of new content this month, anything you’d like to see covered?
Not sure if it has been done before, but would like to see the hand/club path thru and past impact. I see so many videos that appear to show that everything goes so far left with low hands (for Righty), but feel it is over done? Hard to be in to out and exit far left, I feel there is some misinterpretation there... and is it different from wood to iron swing? Thanks!!
@@Boss302ATC Great idea. That idea is WAAAAAAY overdone. Exiting far left is based on poor camera angles and doesn't really exist in reality. For an iron, the exit hand path is just slightly left of the downswing hand path. For a Driver, it's right of the downswing hand path.
John Rahm?
In the video?
Not a chance!!! Rahm's swing is about half of that length (also by them mentioning that player has been one of the best drivers of the last 20 years.... Rahm would have been 4 years old) ;)
I though Furyk.... but I think he stands closer to the ball and with a little narrower stance....
@@lepepus Looks more like Louis Oosthuizen or Francesco Molinari to me.
@@lepepus stop doing the math😜
“Hardly anyone is ever too forward at impact”
me sitting here too forward at impact: 😭
hahah
@@AthleticMotionGolf for real tho, do you guys have a video on it???
@@solomonschwartz3975 we do. Check out videos it will be in the title
@@AthleticMotionGolf wow! Thank you so much for taking the time to respond and all you have done (and hopefully will keep doing) to improve my game
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thank yoU!
It is fact that the world of golf instruction today is filled with misconceptions, exaggerations and much false material. Would you agree that the definition of a neutral grip is the "V" of the lead hand when at address points to the chin ? Would you also agree if this "V" formed by the thumb and index finger points to the trail ear or shoulder is a strong grip ? I am just trying to understand an earlier statement that most pga tour players play with a neutral grip. When in fact I see that "V" of the an overwhelming majority of pga tour players pointing to the trail ear or trail shoulder.I feel a clarification of a strong , neutral and weak grip are in order here. Please google "images " of a neutral golf grip and tell me again that most pga tour players do not play with a strong grip.
Thanks guys
Chin to left ear is weak. Right ear to just beyond is neutral. Shoulder and beyond would be strong.
@@AthleticMotionGolf It is very clear that even the very definition of a neutral or strong grip is controversial. Which perfectly explains earlier statements of most pga tour pros do not have strong grips. Truly a contradiction of terms.
Thanks guys
Shaun always seems so annoyed at the beginning haha.
Is that why my shots are straight to the right?
Tough to say without seeing your swing, but this would cause the face to be open.
@@AthleticMotionGolf thanks I'll try the palm down today.
Always good tips, but such a condescending attitude toward mere mortal golfers. Lose the arrogance please.