Jordan Yang that’s what I’m saying. Replaced my taco tires with some nice mud tires and there isn’t any place I’ve even had to worry about getting stuck. The other choices are nice but nothing quite gets it done like a Toyota. It would be interesting to see this comparison with all the same tires I bet most people wouldn’t pick the zr2...
This is what I'm thinking. Tires make the most difference in any vehicle, they all need to be fitted with the same model of tire to make it a true comparison.
Tires, shocks, boxed frame, engine, skid plates, front locker, winch ready bumper. The point is the ZR2 is a buy and go rig not a buy and spend more money vehicle.
Craig Borrenpohl thats nice and all. But fact here, my offroad only bought falkens wild peaks for it, will out do the colorado. So literally we are talking only tires.
And still even without all that, special shocks, locking front it still makes the stock colorado look like a dog chasing its tail in the mud and keeps pace with the bison.
@Steffan M well toyota now has open channel frame. So they dont hold water and dirt in anymore and rust out. Also im gonna half to dissagree with american made cars being more reliable... ive owned many vehicles and my corolla is by far the most reliable. Chev and ford trucks constantly needing repairs.. my dodge cummins has actually been the most reliable all round with nearly 300k on it now. Maby others have had different experiences then me.
@@danovi8500 Constanty need repairs? I have 41K miles on my diesel ZR2 and have had zero problems. I've wheeled the shit out of it also, it's a great truck.
Change out tires, change out shocks, change out engine, add front locker, change out frame to get a fully boxed frame, add skid plates, add a wench ready bumper OR, hear me out, just buy the truck that comes ready to go.
@@craigborrenpohl1233 All of the vehicles are very capable, you don't need all that. When it comes down to it though the TRD would outperform the Bison with some new tires though. Meanwhile, I don't have the money to beat on a new vehicle but my Jeep TJ would demolish all of them offroad for a fraction of the price. :)
@@hunterc1055 Agreed they are all capable, full honesty I'm biased as i recently traded in my 2003 ZR2 for a 2019 ZR2. I loved the capability of my little S10 ZR2 and was extremely excited when Chevy brought back the ZR2 package. I also wanted a six foot bed, something I couldn't get in the TRD Pro. And yes the average trail rig doesn't need all that stuff, until they do. Have you seen the video of the Bison essentially hill climbing up a muddy trail that the "Pickup Truck plus SUV Talk" channel did? Impressive moves for a daily drivable truck.
@@craigborrenpohl1233 Just keep in mind, there is a reason toyota went to the semi boxed frame. Rust. Let's see if Chevy does a massive recall and replaces a bunch of frames here in a decade or so. You're not going to be towing a bunch with the trucks anyway, so do you really need a fully boxed frame? Nothing against the chevy, to be honest the only thing that really sold me on the tacoma was the 6 speed manual.
Yea, I think I'm still going to buy a Gladiator. i totally agree on it's downsides but I'm already planning a 3" or more lift and 37s. I just don't care about higher speeds when off roading in Colorado but I have found on my JLU that you can go fast enough after deflating the tires down to 20psi or less. This area is more about crawling and the Gladiator is superior as long as you get a lift to fix those break over angle issues. But I really did like the video. I liked that you pointed out the pricing differences. People like to critique the Gladiator's price but it's well in line with it's competition.
Error in the video about the Gladiator - you CAN lock the rear differential in 4-high on Gladiator Rubicon models by pushing the "Offroad +" button. This was a point Jeep specifically mentions a lot in their marketing materials when it was launched. I'm surprised you TFL overlooked this.
Check this post. Scroll down to the Jeep Cares response. It was intended for launch but not available yet. I have a JTR and can attest that you can only lock in 4LO. www.jeepgladiatorforum.com/forum/threads/can-you-lock-rear-differential-in-4high.16964/page-2
You are exactly right! However, it really shines with the 2.8 Duramax turbo diesel. The low end torque really shines, the turbo makes up for any power loss and it will tow far better than any of these rigs with assistance from the exhaust brake. Not to mention the far better fuel economy. Plus the pur of that diesel is unmatched. The ZR2 is truly the best all around truck with excellent road manners, exquisite high speed desert running/off-roading, and rock crawling champ with the front and rear lockers! The price is also fantastic! Only time will tell when it comes the reliability, so we’ll see.
ZR2 with Diesel for the win. Not the Bison package either. Better angles on the standard ZR2. I installed Datin Fab shock skids on mine. Does everything I want it to do with no issues.Take care.
I have this exact truck. V6 and gray bison! Love it, glad I decided to go with it over anything else. I drove a rebel and a taco before deciding. The taco was awesome to drive but I just couldn't get comfortable in. it.
@@JahyMoonwalker assuming the difference in wheelbase length of a 2 door and 4 door JL (like 20 inches) would be relatively the same for a 2 door gladiator vs 4 door. I would say a 2 door JT would actually be a little shorter than a 4 door JL. Probably by an inch or 2.
2 door JL is 96, 4 door is 118 while the current JT is 137. So maybe a 2 door would be in the 117 range plus or minus depending on whether or not the bed length would be altered for this. They could probably give us a few more options in the future and let us get different bed lengths to pair with a 2 door or 4 door variant. I feel like Jeep is really shooting themselve in the foot by not wanting to though.
You might as well buy the Tacoma. I'm willing to bet it's more made in America then the Colorado. I like the gladiator but it definitely needs a small lift and 37s
Until American automakers can equal the reliability of Toyota, I'll stick with my '97 Tacoma which already has 316K miles and is like the Energizer Bunny, it just keeps going, and going, and going, ad infinitum. It has been excellent on Forest Service roads in California and Arizona where it got me to work at my fire lookout where 4WD was needed. I have not modified it in any way. I replaced the original front struts with Monroe's and the rear shocks with Bilsteins. It came with BF Goodrich TA/KOs 31x10.5R15s and I've stayed with that size. After that I used Generals, then Kumhos, then 2 sets of Falken STZs which were road tires. I just recently replaced all 4 with Hankook ATs which had a top rating in Consumer Reports as well as some tire review websites. She rides very nice now for a truck. I have a 5 speed manual with a separate stick for 2H, 4H, and 4L. Love this baby! I'm taking her to 500K miles or more.
My jeep grand Cherokee is a 2004 over 460 thousand miles on it still original motor transmission and rear ends. And my frame hasn't rusted into and breaking in half looking like a taco like my 93 Toyota pickup did.i know u going to say Toyota recall and fixed that but fact is Toyota's all the way up to 2011 still having troubles with it.and if u do any modifications to your Toyota including lift kits or rock sliders it gives Toyota a way out of honoring the recall.
@@jackhook4192 This is what Consumer Reports 2010 Used Car Buying Guide says about the Grand Cherokee: "...on bumpy roads the SUV annoyingly rocks from side to side. The 4.0 liter is noisy and slow...ride quality and rear seat room remain subpar...Fit and finish is disappointing and the driving position is too high, which limits headroom." The reliability history chart for the 2004 points out that the drive system is poor, the climate system is poor, the brakes are poor, and body hardware is poor. The overall verdict is worse than average. However, the Tacoma reliability verdict is "Better than average" and CR gives it a "GOOD BET" whereas not one single Jeep product gets that "GOOD BET" recommendation. 2004 Grand Cherokee overall mpg is 15 with 4.7 V8, 235 HP. The comparable 2004 Tacoma gets 16 overall mpg with the 3.4 V6. On page 20 for the most reliable models, Toyota and Honda dominate the list and there is not one Jeep on the list for midsized and large SUVs. For pickup trucks only three make the list: Honda Ridgline, Toyota Tacoma, and Subaru Baja. NOT ONE American made vehicle on either list (page 21). On page 25 your 2004 Grand Cherokee is listed as one of the "Worst cars...These vehicles have below average reliability..." Statistics and facts are ugly things. No rust ever on my Taco and I don't know anything about Toyota recalls since my year/model had NO recalls. If you're happy with your Jeep, that's all that matters. I like my Taco and that's all that matters to me. To each his own. I've had ZERO problems. Have a nice day!
@@ronrowan4828 if you not in the rust belt you probably be ok.but it has been a very serious problem for Toyota pickups all the way up to and including 2011.i had a 93 Toyota wasn't 10 years old frame rusted into and broke in half. And if you do any modifications to your truck Toyota doesn't have to honor the recall on it like lift kits or rock sliders. The motors and the rest of the vehicle was ok but their frames was bad not made for harsh climates where they use rock salt.so glad ur having good luck with yours.
I still prefer my non Bison ZR2. That AEV front bumper while nice, also ruins your approach angle. You can buy the skidplates from AEV separately for $1700. I also wouldn't give up my diesel for the V6, the little diesel is perfect for the ZR2. On pricing, I can go to my dealers lot right now and buy a brand new Bison V6 for 44K. I can't buy a Rubicon or a TRD Pro Tacoma for that money.
Joseph Quintiliani, agreed 100%! I like everything about zr2 except for the rear shocks being so low and exposed. Can it be modified to make it less exposed?
Yes the discount I got on my regular ZR2 easily covered the cost of AEV parts aftermarket and then some. Plus like you mention I prefer several of the after market bumper designs from other fabricators versus the AEV bumper.
I like all 3 trucks but let’s face it. Most people mod these trucks and the taco with better tires is excellent. 33 inch skinnies and a mild lift on the Taco turns it into a billy goat. Add in the OV tune and you’re done.
The Tacoma will last longer performing well and will be more dependable throughout the years. Tacoma will hold a higher value also. The other trucks here in the video will also hold a good value but only this higher end models or packages when in comparison the whole Tacoma line up are highly sought after trucks.
Well you appealed to my confirmation bias. You chose the Chevy ZR2. I only have a 18' Z71 though and am Super happy with it over the first 34k miles. I only paid $32k U.S. dollars though and added protection myself. An even better deal in my book.
The Tacoma lacks in most places. It’s reliability and resale are about all it has. I almost bought one of these trucks but felt let down by that lazy 3.5L and didn’t like my ass so close to the floor. Neat little trucks but that engine sucks. It’s so gutless under 4K RPM. Could really benefit from an 8 speed trans. I like how they look but I could never be happy with one.
I would buy a Tacoma TRD-Off Road with a 6 speed manual and put on the ARB Old Man Emu BP-51 kit and TRD Pro-Skid Plate. This saves about 8 grand over a comparable TRD-Pro and is better setup.
@guy proulx because of the way I'd use the truck dipshit. For me, the fun to have is blasting down dirt roads at 45-60 mph, the Gladiator Rubicon is meant for a different purpose, traversing more difficult terrain at low speed with better articulation that the solid front axle offers, granted a solid front axle setup isnt as keen to go blasting offroad at a higher rate of speed. Honestly though, I'd very well take a Gladiator Rubicon just as well as a Tacoma, both are nice trucks that have their own advantages, and it would be tough to choose between the two. I like the look of the Tacoma more, but I think I am more comfortable in the Rubicon, it's a toss up, I'd buy either one with the tie breaker being a test drive. The ability to take the roof off on the Gladiator might also be just enough to win me over.
@guy proulx you saw where I said I would modify they TRD Offroad with a $3500 aftermarket (not OEM option) suspension kit right? Personally, I think the TRD Pro is over priced for what you get. In the metrics that you chose to compare the Pro-4X to the Gladiator Rubicon you were in the wrong the Gladiator Rubicon matched the break over angle and beat the Pro-4X in approach, departure, and overall ground clearance - and now you are having a hissy fit like a spoiled 12 year old boy that didn't get to go to McDonald's. The other thing to consider is what is it like to drive daily on the road, I'd imagine with the IRS the Tacoma would be better on the street, but as I said, I'd have to drive both and decide which I liked more.
@guy proulx you referred to the break over angle of the Pro-4X being better then the Gladiator, claiming it would Run circles around a stock Gladiator. Now you're flip flopping to the other trucks. Again, the Pro-4X is more then 10 Grand cheaper then the rest of these trucks, is very dated inside and out, and has Bilstein shocks that puts it on par price and equipment wise with a stock TRD-Offroad or a Ranger FX4 or a Colorado Z71. Break over angle is just one measure of many. I'm not claiming the Rubicon is the best of the three trucks in this video, each truck here has strengths and weaknesses, it comes down to the individual customers taste and priorities.
@guy proulx still made it through the trail and the scraping that occured was mainly on the sliders it came equipped with. Also again, you can get this truck off the showroom floor with factory accessories that would improve break over and ground clearance minimizing any scraping. Also, watch videos of even just a Wrangler Rubicon completing the Rubicon trail, they all scrape here and there. I wouldn't call it pathetic.
Not much difference though, the kits are around the same, DIY or pay a bit to fit. But Bison still has front locker among other things, just good value and more power.
Jim Jim make it light or get ready for a little sag. Nothing an extra leaf can’t fix though. I just put a light shell on mine. 6ft bed? Double or access? I went access...
I got me a 2019 TRD OR too! I just made my first monthly payment. I'm thrilled with it. I could have got the the TRD PRO, but for $14,295 more? No thanks. Would have been nice to get the Fox shocks, but the boost in price didn't justify it for me.
Jeep is really messing up with not offering the gladiator in a 2 door variant. The 2 door jl has a wheelbase approximately 20 inches (or about 50 cm) shorter than the 4 door. If we assume there would be the same approximate difference in length, that would put a 2 door JT at a shorter wheelbase than the 4 door jl, hitting a sweet spot between stability on road and on steep inclines/declines and better angles to climb over rocks, ruts or whatever else. Plus it would shave the weight down by atleast 100lbs (45 kgs).
@@pagodad2036 we have several vehicles. But the one I drive the most is my jeep wrangler Rubicon jk 4door with lift 40 tires bead locks Dana 60 axels floating axels front and rear lockers and a hemi engine and 8 speed automatic transmission. I love off roading. I had a 93 Toyota pickup it wasn't quite 10 years old the frame rusted into and broke in half folding up like a taco shell.
Literally no auto journalist seems to know about the "Off Road +" button on the Gladiator, which allows you to lock the rear axle in 4HI. EDIT: At least, that's what Jeep initially claimed, but in the manual it doesn't actually state anything about the diffs... so who knows? Thanks for the transparency on your features there, Jeep...
The Tacoma gets my vote for the best truck! The Tacoma will last far beyond any Chevy of Jeep and be more reliable, better fit and finish with better materials.
Yeah sorry the Tacoma kept up using crappy tires. If you care enough to offroad like that, you care enough to upgrade the tires. And the toyota doesn't have to deal with Chevys horrid reliability and subpar interior quality.
I was going to get a Tacoma, but was blown away at how cramped it is inside. Even my kids would have been uncomfortable in the back seat. Ended up getting a 4Runner, and I love it, even though I wish it was geared a little lower and had more horsepower and torque.
Taco is still the best. You say about the tiers. But let's be honest, first thing anyone does is upgrade the wheels and tires. Maybe a lift. I would still pick the taco. It completed the course with shift tiers and no front locker
My money would have to go to the one that has the lowest price, best power delivery, best tuning potential, best trans, and can lock the rear any time. Throw a (preferably good) leveling kit, a $500 tuner and decent tires on a Ranger FX4 to get one of the cheapest, most well rounded, and most powerful off roaders of the bunch.
"I pick the Chevy over a Jeep Rubicon" Said no true off roader ever! This cracked me up. And also, because you can go fast down a dirt road it's better? Hmmmm
There's plenty of true off-roaders that have said that, unless "true off-roaders" refer to those cunts who think rock crawling is the only form of off road.
I like all 3 but I’d put my money on the Taco. Yes I’m a bit based I’ve owned Toyota’s and have had my 4Runner since 2012 and still love it. No issues.
I would still take a Toyota any day. I’m driving a 12-year old FJ and my wife drives a 13-year old RAV4 V6. They really feel outdated now but they still run great. The FJ I’m surely keeping but we’re planning on getting a TRD Pro 4Runner or a GX to replace the RAV4 when it dies. But the RAV4 has only 230K on it so it might be a while before we get a new Toyota.
The Boys, Roman and Tommy tried to take the Gladiator through the Rubicon trail and that thing sat on its belly on even the easiest of obstacles...So why do you call it the hydra line? or is it hydro. is it because its so wet? is there a water pipe buried there? i just assumed it was a natural gas pipe line
@Ryndan Riley Ford has announced a dealer installed kit for the Ranger and F150...leveling kit with a 2" lift up front and upgraded shocks for about $1500 plus installation. This might be the way to go.
Yes, especially in your return to the market with a new design and your out sold by a competitor with a design unchanged since 2005 (Frontier), yes, you're a joke.
I'm aiming for a Tacoma in a couple years! The ZR2 Colorado is nice, but I can't give up on that Toyota reliability. The ZR2 package also lowers the tow capacity to 5000lbs which won't work for me, I'm trying to tow a decent sized trailer with me.
Wish they did a more realistic test, 90 percent of us aren’t spending 50K on a midsize, I definitely like this match up as the best you can get from these company’s but it’d be nice to see a Z71 Colorado vs a TRD OR Tacoma, VS a FX4 ranger, VS a Sahara(or similar trim) gladiator. You know the vehicles most are buying, the off-road models, just saying, most folks I think would rather see a show down (on/off-road) of the trim levels most of us can afford or are willing to pay for.
Probably because it won't make it I would have bought one if they came out with a diesel I got a fully loaded ZR2 diesel for 37k New with a 10 year 100000 mile warranty
@@magnacartasamadams8189 Nothing you said makes any sense. The Ranger can go anywhere any of the others can go, and it has the most well rounded engine of the group.
You are a fan boy. Buy the Chevrolet, when it breaks down , I’ll drive any Toyota 4x4 past you. Love everything about the Chevy, when it runs. No longer is a Chevy reliable. I’m not a Ford fan,but they are catching up with Toyota on reliability. I’ll keep my TRD Pro Tundra.
Protection is always key. Had 5 children before i started using a skidplate
Will. Faurie underrated comment right here
Protection is always key. Had 5 children before I started using a skidplate.
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That comment went under the radar, 😂😂😂you made my day
@@KensleyInnocent 😂😂 i only remembered this comment now😂
Tacoma did that trail without a front locker and shitty tires. nuff said.
Jordan Yang that’s what I’m saying. Replaced my taco tires with some nice mud tires and there isn’t any place I’ve even had to worry about getting stuck. The other choices are nice but nothing quite gets it done like a Toyota. It would be interesting to see this comparison with all the same tires I bet most people wouldn’t pick the zr2...
Jordan Yang i like how this was Said lol
And nearly got stuck.
Johnny Bravo that moment your dumbass didnt listen or watch. The original Colorado almost got stuck. The only one to do so.
For me first criteria was a six foot bed something you can't get with the TRD Pro. Why would Toyota do that?
The ZR2 and Bison special addition are what happens when your CEO came with an engineering and quality control background. Nailed it.
Who buys a truck based off the stock tires🤦🏻♂️
This is what I'm thinking. Tires make the most difference in any vehicle, they all need to be fitted with the same model of tire to make it a true comparison.
I laughed when he said his reasoning was the tires. Like wtf.
Tires, shocks, boxed frame, engine, skid plates, front locker, winch ready bumper. The point is the ZR2 is a buy and go rig not a buy and spend more money vehicle.
Craig Borrenpohl thats nice and all. But fact here, my offroad only bought falkens wild peaks for it, will out do the colorado. So literally we are talking only tires.
And still even without all that, special shocks, locking front it still makes the stock colorado look like a dog chasing its tail in the mud and keeps pace with the bison.
ZR2 Bison for me Stephen. I like the lockers and the premium skid plates. Thanks for sharing the details of these trucks.
I’d get a TRD Pro with upgraded tires! Great video Stephen!
exactly what i did. I told the toyota dealer gimmie dem nitto ridge grapplers off of that there 4 runner trpo an ill buy that taco tpro.
BFG tyres, guessing the engine will last for years longer than the Chevy too.
For me, the deciding factor is long-term reliability: you can change the tires, but you can’t make a vehicle more dependable.
For real!
GO NISSAN
Haha this is very true...
@Steffan M well toyota now has open channel frame. So they dont hold water and dirt in anymore and rust out. Also im gonna half to dissagree with american made cars being more reliable... ive owned many vehicles and my corolla is by far the most reliable. Chev and ford trucks constantly needing repairs.. my dodge cummins has actually been the most reliable all round with nearly 300k on it now. Maby others have had different experiences then me.
@@danovi8500 Constanty need repairs? I have 41K miles on my diesel ZR2 and have had zero problems. I've wheeled the shit out of it also, it's a great truck.
You sure don’t hold back, I’m always impressed with how much you put these trucks thru!
I'm not going to buy a vehicle because of tires! 🤣 If only you could change them out.....
Change out tires, change out shocks, change out engine, add front locker, change out frame to get a fully boxed frame, add skid plates, add a wench ready bumper OR, hear me out, just buy the truck that comes ready to go.
@@craigborrenpohl1233 All of the vehicles are very capable, you don't need all that. When it comes down to it though the TRD would outperform the Bison with some new tires though. Meanwhile, I don't have the money to beat on a new vehicle but my Jeep TJ would demolish all of them offroad for a fraction of the price. :)
@@hunterc1055 Agreed they are all capable, full honesty I'm biased as i recently traded in my 2003 ZR2 for a 2019 ZR2. I loved the capability of my little S10 ZR2 and was extremely excited when Chevy brought back the ZR2 package. I also wanted a six foot bed, something I couldn't get in the TRD Pro. And yes the average trail rig doesn't need all that stuff, until they do. Have you seen the video of the Bison essentially hill climbing up a muddy trail that the "Pickup Truck plus SUV Talk" channel did? Impressive moves for a daily drivable truck.
@@craigborrenpohl1233 Just keep in mind, there is a reason toyota went to the semi boxed frame. Rust. Let's see if Chevy does a massive recall and replaces a bunch of frames here in a decade or so. You're not going to be towing a bunch with the trucks anyway, so do you really need a fully boxed frame? Nothing against the chevy, to be honest the only thing that really sold me on the tacoma was the 6 speed manual.
Yea, I think I'm still going to buy a Gladiator. i totally agree on it's downsides but I'm already planning a 3" or more lift and 37s. I just don't care about higher speeds when off roading in Colorado but I have found on my JLU that you can go fast enough after deflating the tires down to 20psi or less. This area is more about crawling and the Gladiator is superior as long as you get a lift to fix those break over angle issues.
But I really did like the video. I liked that you pointed out the pricing differences. People like to critique the Gladiator's price but it's well in line with it's competition.
Rick Boyett I’m with in on that mate, the jt is the way to go
I agree jt ftw
Fiat reliability 💩
Why would spend all that money on a fiat 20k less and you have same capabilities with the Toyota and reliability behind it
Goddess Sky pussy
Error in the video about the Gladiator - you CAN lock the rear differential in 4-high on Gladiator Rubicon models by pushing the "Offroad +" button. This was a point Jeep specifically mentions a lot in their marketing materials when it was launched. I'm surprised you TFL overlooked this.
Check this post. Scroll down to the Jeep Cares response. It was intended for launch but not available yet. I have a JTR and can attest that you can only lock in 4LO.
www.jeepgladiatorforum.com/forum/threads/can-you-lock-rear-differential-in-4high.16964/page-2
I can lock my Jeep gladiator in 4 high
I don't think you can go wrong with any of these OFF-ROAD Trucks. You know the owners are going to MODIFY these babies within the first year.
First year? Amateur. 3-6 months......lol
Alfredo Pacheco Jr first month*
@@devourerking23 first week*
Traded in my 2003 S10 ZR2 for a 2019 Colorado ZR2. Extremely happy they brought back this package.
Your show is getting better and better.
I own a Bison, and I can say I use it for offroad, but it is also the funnest truck I have ever drove intown. It is a sports car😁
Surprised the Bison comes with 31" tires...will 33's for a little more ground clearance fit without rubbing?
Not quite. 32 are max. I will be adding 33’s though
Someone else on this comment section said 33's will fit with a leveling kit on the front. Thanks for the info.
Agreed!!
You’ve never drove a Tacoma have you?
You are exactly right! However, it really shines with the 2.8 Duramax turbo diesel. The low end torque really shines, the turbo makes up for any power loss and it will tow far better than any of these rigs with assistance from the exhaust brake. Not to mention the far better fuel economy. Plus the pur of that diesel is unmatched. The ZR2 is truly the best all around truck with excellent road manners, exquisite high speed desert running/off-roading, and rock crawling champ with the front and rear lockers! The price is also fantastic! Only time will tell when it comes the reliability, so we’ll see.
ZR2 with Diesel for the win. Not the Bison package either. Better angles on the standard ZR2. I installed Datin Fab shock skids on mine. Does everything I want it to do with no issues.Take care.
I would go Tacoma TRD Pro all the way... so much more reliable.
This guy never does a boring video. All manufacturers should pay him to do quality testing on their off roadable vehicles.
Another great video. My pick would be the regular Colorado ZR2.
I have this exact truck. V6 and gray bison! Love it, glad I decided to go with it over anything else. I drove a rebel and a taco before deciding. The taco was awesome to drive but I just couldn't get comfortable in. it.
Nice. Will tires larger than the original 31's fit without a lift kit?
@@David-rx2to 33s have very slight rubbing when turning. You cab either do a little bit of trimming but I'd get the front leveling kit.
Ive been seeing leftover 2018 zr2's for as low as 33k to 35k . THAT is a steal imo. Plus , honestly I like the way it looks the best .
love seeing these compared back to back like this. Hopefully the gladiator will get a 2 door version.
CandE.Adventures that would be really cool
Don’t hold your breathe
seems like it would be relatively easy for them to produce with the wrangler unlimited wheelbase!
@@JahyMoonwalker assuming the difference in wheelbase length of a 2 door and 4 door JL (like 20 inches) would be relatively the same for a 2 door gladiator vs 4 door. I would say a 2 door JT would actually be a little shorter than a 4 door JL. Probably by an inch or 2.
2 door JL is 96, 4 door is 118 while the current JT is 137. So maybe a 2 door would be in the 117 range plus or minus depending on whether or not the bed length would be altered for this. They could probably give us a few more options in the future and let us get different bed lengths to pair with a 2 door or 4 door variant. I feel like Jeep is really shooting themselve in the foot by not wanting to though.
Since you're running them all through the hydro-line, could you call this the Golden Ditch Awards? :)
Tacoma because reliability and best resale value. End of story.
Go try and buy a used ZR2 and tell me the resale isn't great.
Its exactly what I said.. you can change anything in any truck to suit your off-road needs but reliability, never TOYOTA IS A TOYOTA..END OF STORY
"Oh Yeah! Skidplates, skidpates, skidpates!"...what my wife will hear tonight 🤣.
Seriously, you deliver good content with great energy!
It'll be interesting to see this comparison again when the Ranger Raptor comes out!
Has Ford confirmed it's even coming? The Ranger sales haven't been nearly what they had hoped.
Its already out
Joseph Quintiliani It’ll more likely come on the next gen since that’s about a few years away, it’s now in 3rd place in truck sales
Jeep Joseph yes But not in North America
RedWings-44 it’s been out for years in Australia
I Just got one ZR2 :D
Coolest Truck in the World.
When I look away from MPG....I just LOVE My ZR2.
The ZR2 looks so composed at speed. Great suspension makes for a fun truck.
You might as well buy the Tacoma. I'm willing to bet it's more made in America then the Colorado. I like the gladiator but it definitely needs a small lift and 37s
david long I had a GMC Canyon. It says Mexico all under it... :(
Good choice my man. Excellent reviews.👍 Can't wait until your next one.
Until American automakers can equal the reliability of Toyota, I'll stick with my '97 Tacoma which already has 316K miles and is like the Energizer Bunny, it just keeps going, and going, and going, ad infinitum. It has been excellent on Forest Service roads in California and Arizona where it got me to work at my fire lookout where 4WD was needed. I have not modified it in any way. I replaced the original front struts with Monroe's and the rear shocks with Bilsteins. It came with BF Goodrich TA/KOs 31x10.5R15s and I've stayed with that size. After that I used Generals, then Kumhos, then 2 sets of Falken STZs which were road tires. I just recently replaced all 4 with Hankook ATs which had a top rating in Consumer Reports as well as some tire review websites. She rides very nice now for a truck. I have a 5 speed manual with a separate stick for 2H, 4H, and 4L. Love this baby! I'm taking her to 500K miles or more.
My jeep grand Cherokee is a 2004 over 460 thousand miles on it still original motor transmission and rear ends. And my frame hasn't rusted into and breaking in half looking like a taco like my 93 Toyota pickup did.i know u going to say Toyota recall and fixed that but fact is Toyota's all the way up to 2011 still having troubles with it.and if u do any modifications to your Toyota including lift kits or rock sliders it gives Toyota a way out of honoring the recall.
@@jackhook4192 This is what Consumer Reports 2010 Used Car Buying Guide says about the Grand Cherokee: "...on bumpy roads the SUV annoyingly rocks from side to side. The 4.0 liter is noisy and slow...ride quality and rear seat room remain subpar...Fit and finish is disappointing and the driving position is too high, which limits headroom." The reliability history chart for the 2004 points out that the drive system is poor, the climate system is poor, the brakes are poor, and body hardware is poor. The overall verdict is worse than average. However, the Tacoma reliability verdict is "Better than average" and CR gives it a "GOOD BET" whereas not one single Jeep product gets that "GOOD BET" recommendation. 2004 Grand Cherokee overall mpg is 15 with 4.7 V8, 235 HP. The comparable 2004 Tacoma gets 16 overall mpg with the 3.4 V6. On page 20 for the most reliable models, Toyota and Honda dominate the list and there is not one Jeep on the list for midsized and large SUVs. For pickup trucks only three make the list: Honda Ridgline, Toyota Tacoma, and Subaru Baja. NOT ONE American made vehicle on either list (page 21). On page 25 your 2004 Grand Cherokee is listed as one of the "Worst cars...These vehicles have below average reliability..." Statistics and facts are ugly things. No rust ever on my Taco and I don't know anything about Toyota recalls since my year/model had NO recalls. If you're happy with your Jeep, that's all that matters. I like my Taco and that's all that matters to me. To each his own. I've had ZERO problems. Have a nice day!
@@ronrowan4828 if you not in the rust belt you probably be ok.but it has been a very serious problem for Toyota pickups all the way up to and including 2011.i had a 93 Toyota wasn't 10 years old frame rusted into and broke in half. And if you do any modifications to your truck Toyota doesn't have to honor the recall on it like lift kits or rock sliders. The motors and the rest of the vehicle was ok but their frames was bad not made for harsh climates where they use rock salt.so glad ur having good luck with yours.
New grill looks better on the Bison👍 but the Gladiator might be a poser, but looks great to me. Awesome video Young Man!!!👍👍👍
Great job Stephen. 3 great trucks right there 👍🏻
I love the ZR2 and would love to buy one I just don't know about the quality and resale value.
Definitely want a bison! Gotta hit the lottery first though!!! Lol
Your only con for the Tacoma was the tires which is something that can always be changed for something better
Only con? Did you actually watch the video?
You could say that the only Con for the tacoma is that its a tank and the most reliable vehicle ever
I still prefer my non Bison ZR2. That AEV front bumper while nice, also ruins your approach angle. You can buy the skidplates from AEV separately for $1700. I also wouldn't give up my diesel for the V6, the little diesel is perfect for the ZR2. On pricing, I can go to my dealers lot right now and buy a brand new Bison V6 for 44K. I can't buy a Rubicon or a TRD Pro Tacoma for that money.
Joseph Quintiliani, agreed 100%! I like everything about zr2 except for the rear shocks being so low and exposed. Can it be modified to make it less exposed?
@@scottykillmore7549 you can buy skid plates for them, or relocate them entirely.
Yes the discount I got on my regular ZR2 easily covered the cost of AEV parts aftermarket and then some. Plus like you mention I prefer several of the after market bumper designs from other fabricators versus the AEV bumper.
@guy proulx meanwhile the Toyota has an underpowered engine, the same question could be asked on that front.
@guy proulx I meant in the fact that people complain about it, and yet they do nothing. Every company does it is the point im making.
That's what I got to the Zr2 traded my Power Wagon in its getting the Chevy Performance package put on drove the taco I was to tall for it .
I like all 3 trucks but let’s face it. Most people mod these trucks and the taco with better tires is excellent. 33 inch skinnies and a mild lift on the Taco turns it into a billy goat. Add in the OV tune and you’re done.
James Holcomb once I slapped my 33’s it was a whole new beast for my taco. Love it it’ll do anything I need
The Tacoma will last longer performing well and will be more dependable throughout the years. Tacoma will hold a higher value also. The other trucks here in the video will also hold a good value but only this higher end models or packages when in comparison the whole Tacoma line up are highly sought after trucks.
New tires and 5.29 gears and tacoma is best
I have to agree the ZR2 would be the choice for me too.
I see Stephen and made in Canada and I can't click like fast enough.
I love them all but I think I’d take the Galdiator. I mean remove doors and roof, throw in the boys and go fishing. Can’t get more versatile than that
Michael Bury I’m with you on that mate, best of both worlds
I agree and the ability to customize is far superior.
Well you appealed to my confirmation bias. You chose the Chevy ZR2.
I only have a 18' Z71 though and am Super happy with it over the first 34k miles. I only paid $32k U.S. dollars though and added protection myself. An even better deal in my book.
Yes without a drought the ZR2 in either configuration is the winner
I like the normal ZR2 better. Dont need all that armor unless you're Roman or Nathan going straight down the ass-scratcher in Moab.
I’ll take the Tacoma for longevity and resale. Annihilates both of those in that category
Remind me what J.D. Power had to say on this topic? Taco was 4th for reliability.
Great review.. I still want a Gladiator I have been waiting 3 years for it to come out..
You never mentioned the durability. In that category Toyota always wins. Another place the Tacoma always wins is resale!
The Tacoma lacks in most places. It’s reliability and resale are about all it has. I almost bought one of these trucks but felt let down by that lazy 3.5L and didn’t like my ass so close to the floor. Neat little trucks but that engine sucks. It’s so gutless under 4K RPM. Could really benefit from an 8 speed trans. I like how they look but I could never be happy with one.
You are not wrong! The only thing I wish it had was a better engine. The gen 2 engine was wayyy better.
Not reliability but underpowered and horrible transmission always hunting for gears.
I would buy a Tacoma TRD-Off Road with a 6 speed manual and put on the ARB Old Man Emu BP-51 kit and TRD Pro-Skid Plate. This saves about 8 grand over a comparable TRD-Pro and is better setup.
@guy proulx because of the way I'd use the truck dipshit. For me, the fun to have is blasting down dirt roads at 45-60 mph, the Gladiator Rubicon is meant for a different purpose, traversing more difficult terrain at low speed with better articulation that the solid front axle offers, granted a solid front axle setup isnt as keen to go blasting offroad at a higher rate of speed.
Honestly though, I'd very well take a Gladiator Rubicon just as well as a Tacoma, both are nice trucks that have their own advantages, and it would be tough to choose between the two. I like the look of the Tacoma more, but I think I am more comfortable in the Rubicon, it's a toss up, I'd buy either one with the tie breaker being a test drive. The ability to take the roof off on the Gladiator might also be just enough to win me over.
@guy proulx you saw where I said I would modify they TRD Offroad with a $3500 aftermarket (not OEM option) suspension kit right? Personally, I think the TRD Pro is over priced for what you get. In the metrics that you chose to compare the Pro-4X to the Gladiator Rubicon you were in the wrong the Gladiator Rubicon matched the break over angle and beat the Pro-4X in approach, departure, and overall ground clearance - and now you are having a hissy fit like a spoiled 12 year old boy that didn't get to go to McDonald's. The other thing to consider is what is it like to drive daily on the road, I'd imagine with the IRS the Tacoma would be better on the street, but as I said, I'd have to drive both and decide which I liked more.
@guy proulx you referred to the break over angle of the Pro-4X being better then the Gladiator, claiming it would Run circles around a stock Gladiator. Now you're flip flopping to the other trucks. Again, the Pro-4X is more then 10 Grand cheaper then the rest of these trucks, is very dated inside and out, and has Bilstein shocks that puts it on par price and equipment wise with a stock TRD-Offroad or a Ranger FX4 or a Colorado Z71.
Break over angle is just one measure of many. I'm not claiming the Rubicon is the best of the three trucks in this video, each truck here has strengths and weaknesses, it comes down to the individual customers taste and priorities.
@guy proulx still made it through the trail and the scraping that occured was mainly on the sliders it came equipped with. Also again, you can get this truck off the showroom floor with factory accessories that would improve break over and ground clearance minimizing any scraping. Also, watch videos of even just a Wrangler Rubicon completing the Rubicon trail, they all scrape here and there. I wouldn't call it pathetic.
New tires for the taco is a lot cheaper than Lift for the bison and the resell on the taco is a lot better
Not much difference though, the kits are around the same, DIY or pay a bit to fit. But Bison still has front locker among other things, just good value and more power.
I have a 2014 taco T-Force and I rally the crap out of it. Trails slow speed and high haven't been any trouble at all.
Which engine is going to last longer though? I put my money on the taco. Plus the taco did the trails w no front locker and worse tires.
Boy I wish you could swap out tires. What a shame the big car engineers didnt think of that.
Go the mighty jt, ever time I see one I love it
I wouldn't bye any of them, because I have a 2019 Toyota Tacoma TRD Off Road that fits my needs just fine!
buy or bye bye
You would buy one of them, because you did. Ha ha.
Yep. Trd offroad here too. Non pro. Will be putting those falkens on mine. I had those on a wrangler and luv them!
Jim Jim make it light or get ready for a little sag. Nothing an extra leaf can’t fix though. I just put a light shell on mine. 6ft bed? Double or access? I went access...
I got me a 2019 TRD OR too! I just made my first monthly payment. I'm thrilled with it. I could have got the the TRD PRO, but for $14,295 more? No thanks. Would have been nice to get the Fox shocks, but the boost in price didn't justify it for me.
I chose…manual Gladiator Rubicon. Love mine.
Jeep is really messing up with not offering the gladiator in a 2 door variant. The 2 door jl has a wheelbase approximately 20 inches (or about 50 cm) shorter than the 4 door. If we assume there would be the same approximate difference in length, that would put a 2 door JT at a shorter wheelbase than the 4 door jl, hitting a sweet spot between stability on road and on steep inclines/declines and better angles to climb over rocks, ruts or whatever else. Plus it would shave the weight down by atleast 100lbs (45 kgs).
I guess you could say we have brand loyalty. My wife has a jeep wrangler unlimited Rubicon, and I have a jeep gladiator rubicon
Look up Toyota's infamous frame recalls.
All the way up to 2011 still having troubles.so much for the reliability claim.
What do you drive jack?
@@pagodad2036 we have several vehicles. But the one I drive the most is my jeep wrangler Rubicon jk 4door with lift 40 tires bead locks Dana 60 axels floating axels front and rear lockers and a hemi engine and 8 speed automatic transmission. I love off roading. I had a 93 Toyota pickup it wasn't quite 10 years old the frame rusted into and broke in half folding up like a taco shell.
In famous or INFAMOUS
@@completefemboyr.n.g1308 the site is infamous
Literally no auto journalist seems to know about the "Off Road +" button on the Gladiator, which allows you to lock the rear axle in 4HI. EDIT: At least, that's what Jeep initially claimed, but in the manual it doesn't actually state anything about the diffs... so who knows? Thanks for the transparency on your features there, Jeep...
The Tacoma gets my vote for the best truck! The Tacoma will last far beyond any Chevy of Jeep and be more reliable, better fit and finish with better materials.
Yeah sorry the Tacoma kept up using crappy tires. If you care enough to offroad like that, you care enough to upgrade the tires. And the toyota doesn't have to deal with Chevys horrid reliability and subpar interior quality.
You can also run a 35 on a stock Glad.
Agreed, I'm not a Chevy fan but front locker & more power was the push for me.
No need for the Made in Canada badge, that 'zed' makes it pretty clear. Great video!
You know the Tacoma is the best whenever TIRES is the only reason why you would spend a 1000 dallors MORE on a bison.
The Bison is still 2k cheaper than the TRD PRO. Based on the numbers there
@@razen944 In Canada. In the US the trd pro is 47,760 and the bison is 48,595. I'm from the US. Thus the bison being 1000 more or at least close to.
...where did he say "only"? Must have missed the part about lockers and shocks.
ZR2 rear door entry is terrible. Pity any rear seat passengers. Gladiator rear door entry is acceptable. Have not sat in the the Toyota.
I was going to get a Tacoma, but was blown away at how cramped it is inside. Even my kids would have been uncomfortable in the back seat. Ended up getting a 4Runner, and I love it, even though I wish it was geared a little lower and had more horsepower and torque.
@@henrikm4657 we also have a 4runner. Does everything we want. Zero repairs. Oil changes only.
I’m waiting til the ZR2 get the turbo and push button start then I’ll pull the trigger on one.
Love you guys up north, from white MNTS ,NH U.S.A.
Taco is still the best. You say about the tiers. But let's be honest, first thing anyone does is upgrade the wheels and tires. Maybe a lift. I would still pick the taco. It completed the course with shift tiers and no front locker
I want to like the Chevy but after my last one I just can't trust them. Electrical problem after electrical problems.
SavageApeV4 well i mean it depends on what car. Always do your research before purchasing any car or truck
My money would have to go to the one that has the lowest price, best power delivery, best tuning potential, best trans, and can lock the rear any time. Throw a (preferably good) leveling kit, a $500 tuner and decent tires on a Ranger FX4 to get one of the cheapest, most well rounded, and most powerful off roaders of the bunch.
Off-roading is done as slow as possible but only as fast as needed, that's how one protect nature and keep the tracks open
Just got a Gladiator Rubicon. Didn't know the tires would sling rocks at the doors and scratch them up.
Just the video I wanted. Idk how I didnt see it uploaded a week ago
Next time you see a NAPA parts runner vehicle take a look at which truck they went with.
Use frontiers up here in Maine
"I pick the Chevy over a Jeep Rubicon" Said no true off roader ever! This cracked me up. And also, because you can go fast down a dirt road it's better? Hmmmm
There's plenty of true off-roaders that have said that, unless "true off-roaders" refer to those cunts who think rock crawling is the only form of off road.
I like all 3 but I’d put my money on the Taco. Yes I’m a bit based I’ve owned Toyota’s and have had my 4Runner since 2012 and still love it. No issues.
I'd get the Chevy as well
I would still take a Toyota any day. I’m driving a 12-year old FJ and my wife drives a 13-year old RAV4 V6. They really feel outdated now but they still run great. The FJ I’m surely keeping but we’re planning on getting a TRD Pro 4Runner or a GX to replace the RAV4 when it dies. But the RAV4 has only 230K on it so it might be a while before we get a new Toyota.
I’ve got the 19’ Colorado 4x4 (non Bison). It’s an awesome truck but you can’t beat that Toyota crawl option
The Boys, Roman and Tommy tried to take the Gladiator through the Rubicon trail and that thing sat on its belly on even the easiest of obstacles...So why do you call it the hydra line? or is it hydro. is it because its so wet? is there a water pipe buried there? i just assumed it was a natural gas pipe line
Up here in Canada the east gets their power from hydro dams. Hydro electricity. We call power lines hydro lines for that reason.
Pretty sure Zed was left with Marcellus Wallace many yrs ago...pliers, blowtorch, midevil stuff.
Ranger: am I a joke to you?!
That's what I'm saying I hate it when they leave one vehicle out
The ranger doesnt have a package that seriously competes with these. Especially not in North America.
@Ryndan Riley Ford has announced a dealer installed kit for the Ranger and F150...leveling kit with a 2" lift up front and upgraded shocks for about $1500 plus installation. This might be the way to go.
Yes, especially in your return to the market with a new design and your out sold by a competitor with a design unchanged since 2005 (Frontier), yes, you're a joke.
I'm aiming for a Tacoma in a couple years! The ZR2 Colorado is nice, but I can't give up on that Toyota reliability. The ZR2 package also lowers the tow capacity to 5000lbs which won't work for me, I'm trying to tow a decent sized trailer with me.
I don’t see the frontier pro4x .Hmmm.
Yeah it's in the shop getting repairs done 😂😂😂
Hey come on now ha.
@@rodmurs87 haha I'm a toyota owner. I have to give nissan guys a little bit of crap.
I got a 2010 pro4x. I gota represent.
@@rodmurs87 2016 4runner limited. You'd beat me but only because I got the geriatric model of 4runner 😂😂
Wish they did a more realistic test, 90 percent of us aren’t spending 50K on a midsize, I definitely like this match up as the best you can get from these company’s but it’d be nice to see a Z71 Colorado vs a TRD OR Tacoma, VS a FX4 ranger, VS a Sahara(or similar trim) gladiator. You know the vehicles most are buying, the off-road models, just saying, most folks I think would rather see a show down (on/off-road) of the trim levels most of us can afford or are willing to pay for.
When will you run a Ranger FX4 thru the Hydro line? These are my favorite videos.
Probably because it won't make it I would have bought one if they came out with a diesel I got a fully loaded ZR2 diesel for 37k New with a 10 year 100000 mile warranty
@@magnacartasamadams8189 Nothing you said makes any sense. The Ranger can go anywhere any of the others can go, and it has the most well rounded engine of the group.
@@magnacartasamadams8189 zr2 with them torque shutters lol
@@WASTED__POTENTIAL The Ranger cannot go anywhere any of the others can go. There is no Ranger in North America that competes with these 3 vehicles.
@@WASTED__POTENTIAL Evidence? The Ranger Raptor would be the competition to these trucks. An FX4 belongs with a Colorado Z71, not a ZR2.
Great video! Personally I lean a bit more to the diesel ZR2, Hope you and your family had a Happy Thanksgiving Weekend Stephen!
Trd pro all the way!!!
Awesome comparison!
You are a fan boy. Buy the Chevrolet, when it breaks down , I’ll drive any Toyota 4x4 past you.
Love everything about the Chevy, when it runs.
No longer is a Chevy reliable.
I’m not a Ford fan,but they are catching up with Toyota on reliability.
I’ll keep my TRD Pro Tundra.
Charlie Porch You are a fan boy too, man.
@@shitloveaduck I was actually talking to the other dude lol
I feel like the Tacoma’s tires really limit it. Those tires are more balanced towards road driving and off road driving
You should have tried the Mojave it’s more for a high speed off-roading the rubicon is a rock crawler
Gladiator will get you further in tougher terrain...clearly the winner. More rear seat leg room than the Colorado too.
every taco owner that thinks they're the best "tHeY hOld ThEiR vALuE" bish if theyre that good you shouldnt care about selling it
@guy proulx wouldn't that be wasting money tho?
@guy proulx true