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- Опубликовано: 7 сен 2024
- The 3rd day of a 5 day radio debate between Roman Catholic apologist Tim Staples of Catholic Answers (www.catholic.com/) and Evangelical Christian Bible teacher and radio host Steve Gregg (thenarrowpath.com). This episode focused on Mary.
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1. The Authority of Scripture ruclips.net/video/AUFO9YSBz4k/видео.html
2. The Primacy of the Pope ruclips.net/video/kp_HUaPSzIQ/видео.html
3. The Doctrine of Mary ruclips.net/video/We0FQ4gAVZY/видео.html
4. The Eucharist ruclips.net/video/QzWEab-iJ4g/видео.html
5. Points Revisited - ruclips.net/video/FiA4GXEY5pk/видео.html
I think we should pray to the same Lord and Savior Mary prayed to.
Preach 🙏
It's a no brainer and biblical
Great series of talks. Looking forward to the rest of the week. Going to listen to these over again.
Glad you like them!
I am impressed with Steve's knowledge, patience and self-control in this series, coming across as polite, friendly, and accommodating. May the Lord bear fruit from this series.
Self control? He wasn't even tested...
Tim is being very gentle with Steve.
I’m a newborn Christian not quite 2 yet but I am 61. I went to my daughter’s church which is Apostolic Lutheran when I dedicated my life to Jesus. I like going there but it’s very small and every Sunday it’s about sin. So I have been on a quest of finding out more information about grace, faith justification well RUclips has been my go to lol . I’ve so far learned about calvinism, dispensationalism, new covenant theology,now Catholicism . I had no clue how much the differences there are in the beliefs. I just can’t believe how the Catholics do or the Rapture churches even though I really got into the rapture until I found Steve here. He brought me back to earth lol. I don’t agree everything my church does because they have a few catholic ways but they are believers and don’t believe once saved always saved. I’m still learning the scriptures and know I am saved by grace and faith alone through the blood of my savior. I am a sinner and will die a sinner but everyday I try to do the will of The father. 2 more videos to go and with all my research on RUclips 😅 it’s by far the best info I have gotten. Steve is an awesome teacher all glory to God.
Here a book that may help you experience and apply the spiritual truths you learn from the Bible and your church: EXPERIENCING THE DEPTH OF JESUS CHRIST by Jeanne Guyon. You can buy it on line. May the peace, love and grace of God guide you in Christ.
All Glory to God Dear in Christ ❤️ I was called by Christ couple years ago myself and went through crush course from all denominations, led by Holy Spirit ❤ I was in Grace fellowship and studied Bible there, but now in mountains in isolation and RUclips been very helpful, I was raised RCC and though was very spiritual child and loved Christ before I attended religion at school - religion started to be stumbling block between me and God, finally went all way into New Age and occult etc, confusion and chaos all those years...lots of hard lessons, All Glory to Jesus Christ for saving us sinners, all His ppl thirsty for the Truth and Water of LIfe ❤
Steve Gregg is very good teacher indeed, I'm happy I was led to His ministry. This series is actually very therapeutic for me, cause I still "hold grudges" against RCC and don't want this burden, I would love to instead to know how to witness ( if they care to listen ofcourse) to my catholic friends ❤
Well, beloved family, the Gospel is simple.
Might I recommend
THE BIBLE PROJECT by (Tim Mackie)
Steve Gregg
Mike Winger
Greg Laurie
Skip Heitzig
Scholars:
Michael Heiser
Tim Mackie
NT Wright
I'm praying for you on your journey with our Lord 🙏
@karolinaszczudlo9871 Praise God! 🙏
It can be hard when 90% of believers reads the scripture through their denominational filters.
John 1:5
@@jpnoobieeiboonpj858 Praise God Almighty Jesus Christ ❤️ indeed, I wouldn't know, cause as I said, I was raised RCC, so when saved I did touch ground with all ( good bad and ugly 😉), Holy Spirit is best leader 💯 and ofcourse he's using amazing teachers
Luke 1:47- Mary needed a savior
Catholics believe Mary needed a savior
How could she need a savior if "immaculate conception" perfected her and reverses the sin of Adam and Eve? Also, how could she die if 'by one man Adam death came upon all men.'?
@@joevidrine she had a savior guard her from ever sinning. Catholics don’t believe she died
Amen
One would think a guest would comport himself with more humility. Yet, his condescending demeanour & undercutting of Steve as a novice does nothing for his own cause.
Jesus said of himself”… I am the way the truth and the life; no man cometh unto the father but by me.”
And, “verily, verily I say unto you, He that believers on me hath everlasting life.”
Of Jesus, St Paul says in Roman’s 8:34-37 that Jesus is at the right hand of The Father and lives to make intercession for us who believe.
There’s much to learn from Steve. Both in the word, and his bearing when under fire. He’s a gracious host, with a non combative style that leads his guests to underestimate him.
At first blush, I wondered if Tim Staples had lost his mind, converting from his previous evangelical faith to Catholicism. And, with such evangelical zeal, no less. After three episodes, I’m reminded of the verse “They went out from us, but they were not of us, for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued, & not gone out from us, they would have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest, that not all of them were of us.” 1 John 2:19
Yes, I wonder this myself ( conversation from so to say for simplicity sake- Protestantism to RCC), as I'm other way around - raised RCC , went through New Age chaos and was saved to Truth in Christ ❤️ I could understand, if someone had bad experience in their protestant upbringing - abuse etc , or some other bad experience ( though one could change denomination or get off it, ) but as you pointed out - one might just never be saved in the first place... I'm a "freelancer" take something from almost each denomination something, eat the meat and spit the bones, and stick to few good ministries, study my Bible and build my Faith and Trust everyday in everything. I had more moment of overwhelmed being with some contradictory issues, but with help of holy spirit I went through it, RCC members have often very different approaches - like some are similar to deliverence ministries with focusing on dark forces and exorcisms, some are like charismatics - love their miracles and charismas, some are very scientific and are prone to even trying reconcile evolution with faith ( sic!), some are for mysticism and contemplative prayer ( so touching on New Age) and on and on - , some are radicals and some pro same sex marriage..., so just because they can't - get off and organise their own church ( as Tim was saying in something to hold against non RCC ) that doesn't mean RCC is agreeing on everything monolith - they pretend on the surface - cause their highly hierarchical structure depending on it, - but each church and their priest can have very different approaches... anyways, why would anyone wanted to come back to bondage, is like slave who was being freed, but prefer to stay in chains, cause feel safer that way...❤
aroyaliota, your comment is spot-on. Thank you.
Listening to the guest was almost grievous.
Steve Gregg comports himself so calmly.
Agree with you completely. I was baptised an Irish Catholic, & attended Catholic schools.
What’s not grappled with quite enough in debates with Catholics, is that in order to be saved, the Catechism requires Catholics observe the law completely.
Yet, St Paul tells us in Galatians 2:16. “… a man is not justified by the works of the law but by faith in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by faith in Christ and not by the works of the law, since by works of the law shall no flesh be justified.”
On that basis, according to the definition of mortal & venal sins in the Catechism, a Catholic’s salvation is always in jeopardy. To break one of the Ten Commandments is to condemn oneself to mortal damnation.
As to Tim Staples I question if he was ever a true believer. His apostasy is breathtaking if he was. IMO, rising up among the Catholic ranks where others bow & kiss your ring is an irresistible allure for many led by personal ambition.
@@aroyaliota yes, I got you 💯%, raised in Catholic country like Poland, where actually you could see on not that old films older ladies kneeling and kiss ring of a priest wasn't something one could feel comfortable with at all... Then experience their lack of any sort of spiritual life ( and I mean even less than secular person), bitter and aggressive with all the privilege and not one bit making community life better. Then all the abuse scandals went public. Ireland is my second Home and I met so many good man and woman abused by Christian brothers it's seems epidemic, not to mention other Catholic institutions horrendous behaviour, and though you could say that bad seeds are everywhere, but seriously it's far more than this,,, Suffocating character of this religion with its clear hypocrisy is overwhelming, ppl who follow it are in most part doing it simply for tradition and might not even believe in God , then we have "superstition faction" doing this from deep installed fear - fear of authority, most of them have no clue what is full dogma of this church, doesn't realise even that not showing up for one mass can ruin their chances of heaven, and doesn't know ridiculous history of selling place in purgatory, which was best scharlatan scheme... I could go on and on , but I don't want to deepen my PTSD with this organisation, I wish to know how to get to catholic friends, if they are interested in True Faith, but other than that I really lack desire to discuss anything with hardcore militant Mary's army and such...I could go as far as overreaching that some of them might have some demonic attachments from all this idol warship ( and I met many who didn't see anything wrong with fortune telling, tarot cards, talking to dead and all sorts of everything Bible forbids) ... It's heartbreaking all this people in bondage,
If Mary were here today and hear the catholics exalt her, she would rebuke them and tell them to stop.
FACTS.
Henceforth all generations shall call me blessed
@@Church888 whats the next few lines of luke 1 ? Smh .
@@WaggerFiggot15 , it says we conquer all, bud ❤️
@@Church888 wait so are you saying that mary is a figure to be prayed to ? Just confused by the format of text on a screen , know what i mean?
@@Church888 "a woman in the crowd raised her voice and said to him, “Blessed is the womb that bore you, and the breasts at which you nursed!” But he said, “Blessed rather are those who hear the word of God and keep it!”
Much appreciate this discussion and continue to support sound reasoning in digesting the Biblical text, hopefully in the Spirit.
Jesus is God and Man, He really died for us
Steve’s composure and biblical responds are powerful
when tim, late in this video says "i think we're having trouble with words here", that is so true
because, what i have found in debating w/catholics is how they use and twist, and redefine,
in laborious ways, words to their liking, to support their stretch of imaginations.
Catholics don’t worship Mary but honor her according to 4th commandment . She is alive in heaven and Catholics pray for intercession
Amen great answer back. Good job in defending the faith
In the family structure, the mother is above her children. Mary is not, nor has ever been, above Jesus. The Italian Catholic Church elevates Mary as the Co-Savior. She is not. She was merely a servant of God as we each are commanded to be.
You are dead wrong. The Catholic Church, Italians, Irish, Portuguese, etc. worship God alone. We do not put Mary above Jesus. That is ridiculous and totally goes against the catechism of the Catholic Church. You are using rash judgment, and that is also a sin.. Be careful.
@@traceyphilippi2506 Catholics pray to Mary. The entire month of May is devoted to Mary. My kids attended an Italian Catholic school. I know what they were taught. You are either misinformed or deliberately lying. Catholics lie when they say Mary and Joseph never consummated their marriage, which is a mitzvah in Judaism. So is having children, which they did. Catholics lie about this, too. God uses sinners for His purposes, but Catholics deny Mary was born a sinner like everyone else. The Italian Catholic Church names Mary the Co-Redemptrix. This is a lie. The Bible clearly tells us that God is "a jealous God" who does not share His glory with anyone. In fact, those who deny the works of God, like the parents of Bartimaeus did, have no possibility of redemption. read the Book of Hebrews.
Mary in her humility did not want to be exalted above her son Jesus in the apostles’ writing or discourses. They had a relationship with her and respected her humility.
Anabaptists are closest to the historic faith. The corporate church made a sharp departure from orthodoxy at the time of Constantine continuing with Jerome and Augustine, Catholisism is not the faith of the apostles.
in revelation, when jesus says he will cause those of the synagogue of satan to come and bow down....not "to " them, but bow down and worship, at their feet, confessing that jesus loved them, confessing jesus as lord, worshipping jesus.
There is so much about RC Maryology that is not scriptural. One clear error is the teaching that she is a mediator between man and God. There is only one Mediator, Jesus Christ the man - 1 Tim 2:5
Amen!
One mediator means one savior.
We have many mediators. If your pastor
Teaches you about Jesus, he is a mediator. But there is only one savior
Jesus. But we have 100s of mediators.
The Bible is often misunderstood.
@@PInk77W1 no you catholics add more to Scripture than is actually there. show me where in Scripture it clearly states that "one mediator means one savior". awaiting your response
@@lepton31415
Show me where the scripture says it has to be in this book? I don’t need to await your response. It doesn’t. So u just added to scripture. How does that feel ? Jesus gave the apostles ALL AUTHORITY. The apostles picked successors. The church is truth.
“The CHURCH is the ground and pillar of TRUTH”
1 Tim 3:15
Your opinion is nothing compared to the church teaching.
No. There are several. Remember Moses? Here's what there is ONE of: "who gave himself as a ransom for all." No other mediator has done that.
Regarding Luke 11: 27-28, I would like to propose a parallel that you will appreciate. And in my humble opinion you are 100% correct in your clarification of this subject.
You’re fixated on the word, “rather.” Take a look just beyond it, “rather” WHAT? “blessed are they that hear the word of God, and keep it.” Can you think of someone who we are told explicitly, heard the word of Gad and kept it?
Who said this? “Behold the handmaid of the Lord; be it unto me according to thy word.”
I’m no Greek scholar, so I won’t argue with the meaning of “rather.” Let’s use your interpretation of it, “On the contrary.”
Mary not only consented and allowed Gods’ will to be done in her. She completely conformed her will to the will of God. That is the definition of “blessed.” And as Timothy said, Jesus couldn’t have said, “On the contrary, Mary is not blessed,” because it is in scripture, which He is the author of, that she IS “blessed among women.”
So what is Jesus correcting? Not that she is blessed, but that she is blessed based on the woman’s criteria, “womb that bore you and breasts that nursed you.” Jesus is correcting her definition of “blessed.” Jesus is taking one more opportunity to clarify that “blessed” or “chosen” have nothing to do with race, tribe or bloodline anymore (As you have discovered it NEVER was the basis for being chosen. Being chosen was ALWAYS based on faithfulness to the covenant with God.) “Blessed” is not what one is born into, it is what is freely chosen.
So, here’s the parallel:
Suppose the woman had said, “blessed is Israel, the bloodline from which You came.”
Jesus might have said, “Rather, blessed is he who abides in God and His covenant.”
Would you interpret that as, “on the contrary, Israel is not blessed.” See the problem?
He is obviously not saying that Israel is not blessed. Again, He couldn’t. Scripture says that Israel IS blessed. So what is He being contrarian about here? Again, he is correcting a definition. Israel IS blessed, but not because of any bloodline. He is correcting the definition of “Israel.” As you have said on multiple occasions, Israel is not a race, it is a collection of people who have freely chosen to remain faithful to their covenant with God.
Same with the comment about Mary. He’s not taking issue with her being blessed. He is redefining “blessed.” To show that she is the pinnacle of “blessed,” based on her complete submission and obedience to the will of God. It has nothing to do with any biological circumstance.
👏👏👏 Amen
it says blessed is she "among women" not above all women.
and further, elizabeth said "blessed is she who believed"...
which is in line with jesus saying, on the contrary, or rather, consider the greater
blessing, those who hear and do the will of God. the flesh, in this case, counts for
nothing, and in all cases, except the blood of jesus, which gives life to the world.
As they pointed out, these discussions are way too short... And Tim conveniently never did address Mary saying Jesus had lost mind (Gospel of John)
Lost what? Scripture reference
Mark 3:21 It doesn't say Mary specifically but "family." "His family went to take charge of Him (Jesus) because they said He had lost His mind."
I find it hard to believe that this would exclude Jesus' own mother. Of course, you will disagree- as if Mary had absolutely nothing to do with it.
Also, "..a woman called out, 'Blessed is the woman who gave birth to you and nursed you.' Jesus replied, 'Blessed RATHER are those who hear the word of God and obey.' " Luke 11:27, 28
What does that mean to you? That is certainly no exaltation of Mary whatsoever.
And it's blatantly obvious in many passages that she had other children- sons and daughters.
Only a catholic could deny that.
Btw, they discuss these 2 passages at 45:00 . I just realized this. It's interesting to see that Steve and I have been taught by the same Spirit. I quoted both these without realizing Steve would bring these very verses up. Same Spirit.
ps. Did you know that in the catholic catechism, they renoved the 2nd Commandment- the one saying not to bow down to any image or statue? They completely REMOVED IT! They then split the 10 Commandment into two parts so that 10 Commandments remain therein. They removed the 2nd Commandment(!). I wonder why(?). I think I know why.
That is an abominable offense. And worthy of anathametization- as they so love to do.
No mother creates in her womb the soul (spiritual part) of her child which is infused by God at conception but is still mother of her child. Therefore Mary is mother of God her son Jesus
It's seems hazardous to me to do what certainly looks like worship concerning Marry. Christians argue about how to understand just about everything in the Bible. Worshipping false idols isn't one of them.
Every Catholic understands the difference between worshiping God alone and venerating the Mother of God. You can look up in the Catechism of the Catholic Church, and there is a big difference between worship and venerate. Up until 500 years ago every Christian understood the difference between worshiping God and venerating of the Blessed Mother. For the first 1500 years of Christianity, no one was accused of idol worship, because they venerated the Mother of God. She is a creature and through a privilege which God granted her to become the mother of the second person of the Trinity - we would honor her just like Jesus honors her as His Mother.
Catholics worship God alone, we honor and venerate the Mother of Jesus and Jesus is God. We are called as Christians to imitate Jesus, the fourth commandment requires us to honor our mother and father, I’m imitating Jesus, and honoring his mother through the fourth commandment. .
"a woman said, 'Blessed is the mother that gave you birth and nursed you.' Jesus replied, 'Blessed RATHER are those who hear the Word of God and obey.' " Luke 11:27, 28 Furthermore, in Mark 3:21 Jesus' "family" went to take charge of Jesus because they said He was "out of his mind." Only a catholic would believe this excludes Mary. Mary is to be esteemed and revered, but ultimately, she was as human as any of us and certainly not a mediator and "perpetual virgin, queen of heaven", as if lying with her husband stains her in any way and disqualifies her distinguished postion. That's ridiculous. In the catholic catechism the 2nd Commandment is removed which prohibits bowing down to any statue or image! They removed it! They then split the 10th Commandment in two separate commandments so that there remains 10! Look it up. It's insane!
You need to do a podcast !!
Seriously. Radio is dead.
Steve's radio show is podcast through many outlets such as podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-narrow-path-radio-program-1-hour/id171641936
@@SteveGreggVideos Thank You..I would like Steve to have 2 to 3 Hour podcast so he can unpack every point. Lv the catholic debate but Steve always runs out of time. We love the deep dive………This Tim Staples is very sharp, he knows our playbook, the scripture he uses to bring his point home are the ones I’d expect Steve to defend with. Come on, hold his feet to the fire. Grace and Peace.
I hate to sound too disrespectful, but this Roman Catholic position on Mary is laughably ridiculous.
I say this not because of the claims themselves, but rather the utter lack of rational, textual support.
There will be a day where you won’t be laughing about this. Mark my words.
We biblical Christians worship a different Jesus than roman catholics. If these Marian dogmas(and others) are what they truly believe, Jesus isn’t sufficient, he's diminished.
Marian Dogmas point to Jesus.
@@PInk77W1 Marian teaching and myths point to Mary.
Does Mary as co mediatrix REALLY point us to Jesus?
Does Mary as co redemtrix REALLY point us to Jesus?
Here's quotes from Mary, from Vatican approved Marian apparitions, please explain how these are not pointing to Mary:
"This is the seed of glory I offer as "MARY RECONCILER OF PEOPLE AND NATIONS", for I come to reconcile all of you."
"and behold, the Doctrine and the Gospel are enacted through the faith that comes forth from the heart of those who seek Me"
"The blood shed by Mary has a profound meaning. This precious blood was shed to ask your conversion, to ask for peace, in reparation for the ingratitude and outrages against the Lord. As with devotion to the Sacred Heart, apply yourself to devotion to the Most Precious Blood."
"Pray very much the prayers of the Rosary. I alone am able still to save you from the calamites which approach. Those who place their confidence in me will be saved."
Everytime "Mary" says to devote ourselves to her, seek her, believe she "alone" can save us, reconcile us, relieve our suffering... these are all things scripture says Christ does for us. It takes all of this away from Jesus and places it on Mary. It creates a false god, a weakened and unbiblical Christ, based on these quotes that should be undeniable.
I pray you reconsider what you said.
I would encourage you to study history. Do you think the Bible just fell from the sky? The Canon of Scripture was given to us by the Catholic Church. That is a fact. So if you are a Bible based Christian, then you believe in the Holy Catholic Church that has the authority by Christ to determine what books would be part of the Canon of Scripture.
Here is the list of the three councils that defined what books were inspired and gave us the Canon of Scripture.
1. In 382 at the Council of Rome under Pope Damasus
2. In the year, 392 at the Council of Hippo reaffirmed the cmCanon.
3. In 397 at the Council of Cartridge definitively affirmed the Canon.
For the first 400 years of Christianity, Christians did not have the written Scriptures in a canon yet. Something to ponder. If you study early church history, you will find the answer.
@@traceyphilippi2506 even if the rcc "gave" us the bible(which it didn't), what would it matter? The hierarchy of authority for them is the church, tradition and then the bible. The Bible is just something the rcc manipulates and misinterprets in an attempt to affirm it's dogmas or traditions.
Read my above post about mary and explain to me how it aligns with scripture.
I will pray for you that someday you will see the truth and realize how misguided and distorted your theology is. It amazes me that for the first 1500 years of Christianity this is common knowledge.
Biblical evidence that Mary was imperfect and therefore a normal person negating an immaculate conception is "When they saw Him, they were astonished; and His mother said to Him, “Son, why have You treated us this way? Behold, Your father and I have been anxiously looking for You.” And He said to them, “Why is it that you were looking for Me? Did you not know that I had to be in My Father’s house?” But they did not understand the statement which He had made to them." - Luke 2:48-50
All of these Catholic ideas about Mary, being the queen of Heaven, really tilts me into the “Catholics are a cult” camp
The Catholic Church is the True Church Jesus Christ started. I would encourage you to look at history, look at how the canon of scripture was given to us by the councils of the Catholic Church., and it was the Catholic Church that defined the basic doctrines that every Christian believes. Please do your research and look at history. Up until 500 years ago there was no protestant churches. Interestingly, If you look at Martin Luther and John Calvin, they both had a great devotion to the Blessed Mother.
@traceyphilippi2506 I believe that you guys believe that but you will not get any of that from the scripture. The Bible simply does not support catholicism.
@@traceyphilippi2506 I would encourage you to look at history. The catholic church will say they've "always believed", history shows they haven't. It's changed, formed, and curated what it believes all through it's history. As an example, indulgences became official in 1190, transubstantiation in 1215, purgatory in 1438, tradition equal to the bible in 1545, papal Infallibility in 1870(voted in on a split vote), assumption of Mary in 1950 etc. All a result of changing tradition and interpretation over time, none of which are backed by scripture.
Have the Bible, the living word of God, as our compass we can always correct course if we veer from the truth. Catholicism can't because the church and tradition hold the highest regard of authority.
Who was the queen of the Davidic kingdom?
The Bible came from the Catholic Church. Please do your research and look at the 2000 year old history of the Catholic Church and Christendom. Christ started a Church and this was never disputed up until 500 years ago. The Catholic Bible has 73 books. My Bible hasn’t changed and is the same Bible approved by the Church at the Council of Rome, 382 A.D., the Council Hippo 392, and at the Council of Carthage 397 AD.
For the next 1100 years this was the canon of scripture with 73 books. It's only been in the last 500 years that Martin Luther remove seven books and added in faith alone and the idea that you can interpret the scriptures how you please. Today there are over 40,000 different protestants denominations but there's still only One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church started by Jesus Christ and will last until the end of time. Jesus started the Catholic Church, gave His Church the authority to bind and loose. Our Lord did so that all men and every age would have access to the fullness of truth. Having us all play Bible ping pong is not what Jesus had in mind. The Church that gave us the Canon of Scripture has the authority to interpret - for example, it was the Catholic Church that defined the Trinity, the Divinity of Christ and so forth that every Christian believes.
"And I tell you, you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of Hades will not prevail against it. I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven, and whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven" (Matthew 16:18-19).
Jesus was born of a Virgin, Mother of God ❤️
Mary • Daughter of the Father
Mary • Mother of the Son
Mary • Spouse of the Holy Spirit
Mary • Pray for us
Where in the bible do you get the wicked idea that Mary is the spouse is the Holy Spirit? This sounds like the Mormon cult where they claim God had sex with Mary to produce Jesus.
Where in the Bible does it tell us to pray to another human? Praying is something done to God. Where does it say she can hear prayers? Is she omnipotent? Is she all hearing? How can she respond to millions of prayers at once? Do you see why most protestants think Catholics worship Mary as a god? ~ Jason
@SteveGreggVideos man's traditions taught them that. Flawed men.
Thanks for your ministry brother Steve.
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St. Augustine (354-430) stated that “Mary was that only one who merited to be called the Mother and Spouse of God.” (Sermon 208). Scripture speaks in terms of the bride being the Church, and makes analogies between marriage and Christ and His Church. So why should there be controversy about Mary being the spouse of the Holy Spirit?
Dave Armstrong
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Catholicism has 4 different levels
Adoration to God alone.
Contrition to Mary and the saints and God
Thanksgiving to Mary and the saints and God
Supplication to Mary and the saints and God
Jesus, being the last Adam, had to be born human and perfect (sinless), so a human woman (Mary), like any other woman on earth was chosen by God to give birth to His Son, Jesus.
She is blessed by being given the privilege to birth Jesus and that's all her being blessed means.
She had to be a virgin and NOT a perpetual virgin, she had to come from a certain lineage and she had to be a godly woman but she was an ordinary woman who was a sinner and imperfect.
She had other biological children with Joseph after Jesus was born, so Jesus had siblings. These siblings were from Mary's womb and birthed by her.
She plays no further part in the Christian faith other than being a disciple and giving birth to a child that happened to be our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, God's Son.
Nothing in Scripture says she plays any part in Jesus' ministry and Messiahship.
She is not the mother of God, she is the mother of the Son of God. God does not have a mother.
This is basic Christianity.
Catholics are not Christian but pagans and need a goddess to worship just like every other pagan religion. They believe in the doctrines of demons and not in the ONLY true God in heaven.
Mary is the spouse of Holy Spirit therefore she is the new Israel the church bride of Christ
Mother Mary deserves our respect, period. No matter how much one feels her status should be elevated. The elevation of her status is the crux of this debate. It was like listening to a verbal tennis match. Endless serving back & forth. 2 titans for their respective sides of view. Both of these gentlemen are very astute in their theological ideologies. I believe though that neither side will get the other to convert over to their side. It was an intellectual exercise of one-upmanship in spiritual knowledge & interpretation. Bottom line though, is Our Lord Jesus Christ is the Ultimate Judge, as stated in (Matthew 25:31-46), (John5:26-29), (Rev 20:11-15). Jesus will weigh-out their views as being either righteous or heresy. Jesus then will cast Judgment and give a reward or punishment according to the views held. Our Lord is a righteous Judge, and He will take into consideration the heart & intention of any spoken & practiced errors of His Truth, as stated in (Luke 12:47-48). The worst case scenario at Judgment would be Jesus quoting (Matthew 7:23) to you...because of the not following Jesus's advice in (Matthew 15:14). So, we all need to pray to the Holy Spirit for discernment, and will get the right answers as promised by Jesus in (John 14:26) & (John 16:13). Well, God bless to Tim & Steve, two men who have deep heartfelt views of God & Scripture. Amen. 🙏❤
Here are some reason we hold Mary in high esteem from the Bible. We don’t worship her. We venerate her.
The big disadvantage we have is interpreting the Bible through our modern times and culture. You have to realize the books in the Bible are written for Jews and gentiles from THEIR times and cultures.
Jesus didn’t come to abolish the Old Testament he came to fulfill.
Study the Old Testament so the New Testament can be understood the way it is suppose to be understood. The Old represents things that are coming in the New.
Mary is the chosen daughter of the father. The chosen mother of Jesus and the chosen spouse of the Holy Spirit. She is the only human being that can make that claim. That’s why she is set apart and honored more. It’s a unique relationship with the Holy Trinity!
She is the mother of God. By she is the mother of Jesus. Not God the father or God the Holy Spirit.
Jesus is God. That’s why we say she is the mother of God. That’s all we are saying by that. Jesus has Mary’s DNA. There is now scientific evidence that even all mothers have there babies cells that remain in there body…..(think about that for a second. Mary has Jesus’s living cells in her! Beautiful right!)
Jesus is The King.
Angel Gabriel told Mary she will
Give birth to a son and he will sit on the throne of his father David. Mary was being told that she is going to be the mother of a King.
So let’s look into the Old Testament which Mary and all the Jews would have known….
The King always had a queen starting with Solomon. (1 Kings 2:19) His mother came into the room and he prostrated himself to his mother and then he built a throne at his right hand where his mother would sit. And from that point Solomon would with his Queen mother ruling next to him at his right hand and she the queen would intercede for their people. Ding ding ding. Doesn’t that sound familiar with the Catholics? Mary interceding. And from that point on ALL the kinds of Israel had a queen and it was always the mother. Not the wife. And the mother ruled with them in the kingdom.
If Jesus is the King and we know he is better then Solomon or any other King of Israel is he not going to raise his Mom up to be the best queen?
When you understand the Old Testament the New Testament comes to life and it only confirms the Catholic teachings.
We call these typologies. The connection of the Old to the New. Here are some more….
Ark of the Covenant:
- Let’s see why we call her the new Ark of the covenant.
What was the Ark of the old. A gold box about 4’ long by 2.5 ft. The gold represents the immaculate conception. The purity of Mary. Her Royalty as well.
What was inside the old Ark. The 10 commandments on Tablets of stone. That God wrote with his own fingers. There was also the bread “manna” and a rod that proved the priesthood of Aaron.
What did Mary think when Gabriel told
Mary the Holy Spirit will overshadow you and that which is in you will be the holy thing of God? She immediately would have thought of Exodus Ch. 40. In the Old Testament the only other time this word is used is when Moses built that Ark he stepped back and said what? The Holy Spirit of God overshadowed the Ark.
Let’s look at when Mary whet to the Hill Country to visit Elizabeth. Elizabeth said who am I that the mother of my Lord should come to me. John the baptized leaped and danced in her mother womb. Mary stayed there for 3 Months and everyone in the house was blessed. The word blessed is used 2 or 3 times in that passage. Where can we find this in the Old Testament? (2 Samuel 6) King David had brought the ark of the covenant to where? The HILL COUNTRY OF Judea. Mary went into the Hill Country of Judea. David leaped and danced in front of the Ark. John the Baptist leaped and danced in front of the ark. David also said who am I that the Ark of the lord should come to me. Elizabeth said to Mary who am I that the mother of my Lord should come to me? It said that David left the ark of the covenant in the house of obit edum for 3 months. Luke tells us Mary stayed at the house of Elizabeth for 3 months. And everyone in both of these houses where blessed. This is what the Gospel of Luke is trying to show us. You can’t tell me for one minute this is just coincidence! Those Parallels are the exact same. Luke knew exactly what he was writing by the inspiration of the Holy Spirit. Once again when you study the whole Bible you will be able to understand and the new covenant will come to life. Mary is the Ark of the New Covenant!
If you want to top it off even more let’s go to Revelation. Originally the Bible didn’t have chapters and vs in it. You do know that right? It’s good for us so we can be Organized and find things easier but it can hurt us also because it divides chapters and vs for us when it originally didn’t. Here is an example.
Revelation Ch 11…. It ends at vs 19 and says I looked into the heavens and behold I saw the tabernacle and it was opened and there was the Ark of the covenant. That ends the Chapter. But the very next thing you read is Ch 12. And it says… behold I saw the women in the clouds clothed with the son with the moon under her feet with a crown of 12 stars on her head and she’s the one who gives birth to the one who will rule the world with a rod of iron. When John wrote the book there were no chapters or versus. This all would have been read together. He sees the women as the Ark of the covenant and then sees the women as the queen. She is both. If you don’t understand the Old Testament you won’t understand the New and especially the book of Revelation.
Calling Mary the spouse is the Holy Spirit is blasphemous and unbiblical. Jesus existed eternally before Mary was conceived. She is not the mother of God. She was the mother of Jesus while he was here in human form. She was a good, faithful and righteous woman. Like millions of others. Jesus did not exalt her above others, especially when she wanted to reign him in when she thought he was talking crazy. He respected her and made sure she was taken care of. Other than that, she was just another human being. She can't be prayed to. She can't hear prayers or do anything about them. She certainly wouldn't have graven images made of her.
Can you at least admit the parallels between Ark of the covenant are showing the same thing and using almost identical language? Or because you are so biased you cant admit it?
@@SteveGreggVideos Jesus in his "Human form"? Is that some sort of Christo Modalism?
@@petros-estin-petra- No, just recognizing the fact that the Word of God became flesh at his incarnation and is not necessarily in a human body now. I am Trinitarian. I do not believe the Father, Son and Holy Spirit are the same person who just take on different modes at different times. - moderator
Jesus obeyed 4th commandment by creating his Mother Mary with an immaculate soul without original sin because if he did not cure her with grace he would have withheld a cure he had to cure a mortal disease which would be malice and not honor her and respect her
Seems that the Catholic theology blends the word of God with a lot of heretic (mainly Hellenistic based) extensions which results in a phenomena called Catholic tradition.
Mom can I die for all mankind? Do whatever He tells you. Your Mother and brothers are here. Be a good Christian, like My Mother.
VERY GOOD DEBATE...
Mothers are only ever mothers of the flesh, the soul is always from God. Jesus was fully God and fully man. Mary was mother of the man Jesus - but Jesus created us all including Mary so, he pre existed, Mary did not birth him, he always existed from the beginning.
Who did birth Him? Or is He not truly human?
You have already been condemned as a heretic in the council of Ephesus with Nestorius. Yikes.
you're confusing "mother" with "creator." Nobody, except anti-Catholics call Mary God's creator. She did give birth to Him, which makes her His mother. Just as the woman who gave birth to you is your mother, but not your creator.
♥♥♥God cannot break his own laws. Mary has a lot of weight in heaven being the Mother of Christ/God. "Thu shall honor thy Mother and father". When one honors a parents request, that is keeping within that commandment.
St Leo the great an early church father said when Jesus was incarnate in Mary’s womb that all were conceived in Jesus at that time . Jesus is the second Adam. Therefore Mary is mother of human race
How about Jesus versus both of you . Interesting that your smiling. Repent and obey the Father and Jesus only . Paul is an anti Christ .
If Mary did not sin then there was no need for Christ.
That makes no sense.
Babies don’t sin. So if a baby dies it has no need of Jesus ? Absolutely every baby needs Jesus.
@@PInk77W1 Babies by virtue of being babies are not at the age of accountability.
@@ericfisher1360 true. So they do not sin
And they still need Jesus. Your statement that Mary don’t need Jesus If she’s not a sinner is a huge insult to the divinity of Jesus.
But being a Protestant, that’s kind of normal.
@@PInk77W1 Do you know the diffrence between Mary and a infant?
Mary was past the age of accountability, unless it is your position that Mary had the mind of an infant.
The reason this is relevant is because we mere humans need Christ because we fail at perfection in following Gods moral law.
Hence why Christ came to die.
If Mary did not sin, then that PROVES that we mere humans can infect follow the law perfectly and therefore we dont NEED Christ to grant us our salvation, we can just be good enough on our own to warrant it.
Babies dont fail in the moral law because they have no ability to understand it.
Mary was well past the age.
Thanks for the Strawmen and ad Hominem though you wear it well.
@@ericfisher1360
Mary didn’t sin
Mary still needs Jesus
Mary can’t fly to heaven because she’s Sinless.
Adam and Eve had no sin in the beginning.
They still needed Jesus. They couldn’t fly to
Heaven and skip the whole garden of Eden thing. We need Jesus
Every second of our lives. Sin or not.
Unless you’re a Protestant. Then u just make up stuff or change churches whenever your pastor don’t believe like u. Protestantism is pure evil.
Saints in heaven don't need, they pray for us❤
No, they don't.
Steve, with all due respect you are being blinded by Satan. I pray that one day you will awaken to the great gift that God has given to us in His Blessed Mother. She is one of the greatest masterpieces that He created. It’s hard for me to comprehend how one accepts the Canon of Scripture, which came from the authoritative teaching office of the Magisterium of the Catholic Church (Council of Rome in 382, the Council of Hippo in 392 in the Council of Carthage in 397). But in 425 when the Church defined, Mary as the Mother of God you have a hard time with the tilde. It all comes down to authority.
On one hand, you accept the authority of the Canon of Scripture, and other basic Christian doctrines(Trinity, etc.) which the Catholic Church had defined, but you reject other things that the Church also define does not make sense to me. It becomes Bible ping pong using various scripture verses, but at the end of the day there Hass to be an authority teaching office and when you see people break away, then each one becomes its own authority and you have 40,000 different interpretations. You become your own authority.
If you look at the 2000 history of the Catholic Church, it wasn’t until the last 500 years that you start to see people having trouble accepting the Blessed Mother and honoring her with the great privilege and title as being the Mother of God. Even John Calvin and Martin Luther had great love and devotion to the Blessed Mother. I would encourage you to look at the Early Church Fathers and the majority of Christians throughout to 2000 years is not compatible with your theology on the Blessed Mother. Your theology on the Blessed Mother is definitely in the minority of Christians in the past 2000 years.
. I pray one day you will awaken to the great gift God has given to us by giving us hHs Mother. Anything good about Mary only comes from God. I hope and pray that you read Tim's Book, Behold Your Mother and also read the lives of those who've gone before us over the past 2000 years history of Christianity. Pax Christi!
Galatians 1:6-10
No Other Gospel
6 I am astonished that you are so quickly deserting him who called you in the grace of Christ and are turning to a different gospel- 7 not that there is another one, but there are some who trouble you and want to distort the gospel of Christ. 8 But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach to you a gospel contrary to the one we preached to you, let him be accursed. 9 As we have said before, so now I say again: If anyone is preaching to you a gospel contrary to the one you received, let him be accursed.
Jesus was born through the process to erase the connection to Satan. Prior to Jesus, no one shared the birth status of having no sinful antecedents except Adam. Satan could place a claim on every one of fallen Adam’s descendants up to and ending with Jesus’ birth. That includes Jesus mother. If the scriptures somewhere informed us that Mary was the Second successful Eve, as Jesus was the successful Second Adam, there would be cause to elevate Mary to godlike status. However, if a Second Eve was to exist, wouldn’t she be the actual wife of the Messiah as Eve was created as the wife of Adam instead of the Messiah’s mother?
Catholic apologists believe their defense of the doctrine of Mary being held in special esteem should be militant. However defending things that are not elucidated in scripture or clarified by the Lord of the Second Advent in Competed Testament Age content, may be well intended but is a misplaced expression of defense and respect. What Catholics and Christians do not yet understand is something Jewish Rabbis understand, namely: the Messiah should be married and of course be a King the King of Kings. This means Eve’s position must be represented in the ministry of the Messiah, albeit not through his mother, or not through the Church, but through the Messiah’s flesh and blood wife.
Because this did not happen in Jesus’ life due to the faithlessness of the people who failed to fulfill their portion of responsibility to learn, believe and practice every word the Messiah Jesus spoke to them; because this did not happen, God started preparing for the Second Coming to establish the true family, wherein the Messiah’s marriage forms the basis to remove original sin through the engrafting process. The Lord of the Second Advent will conduct this engrafting process that cuts original sin through the main feature of his ministry which is marriage. Through fallen marriage all inherited a legacy of sin and conversely through the Messiah blessing your union all can be engrafted into God’s lineage.
Why is marriage the critical lynchpin? Because who and what initiates the complex male-female relationship decides the ownership of lineage. Does anyone really want the fallen angel Satan to be able to eternally place a claim on humanity because he lured Eve into an unprincipled sexual relationship? Does anyone really think Adam and Eve could have fallen after they achieved fruitfulness on the individual level through mind and body unity in the standard of God, which was God’s criteria for Him to call them to be married? Then we must conclude, even without direct spiritual confirmation of the exact nature of Satan’s crime, that Adam and Eve prematurely formed the family foundation through the unprincipled relationship between Eve and Satan. This is why they covered their sexual organs instead of their mouths.
Jude 1: 6-7 alludes to this original crime.
This however does not mean that Cain is the spawn of Satan. Rather Cain by order of birth represented the relationship between Eve and the angel that was totally unprincipled and fruitfulness in order for God to carry out the process of separating mankind from Satan and eventually subjugating him through the Messiah who does not throw away his mission per Satan’s requirement. God does not endow angels with human seed. Why would God do such an unprincipled thing?
Because Satan is not the Creator, the only way his lineal claim on God’s masterpiece of creation could be eternal is if Jesus would have left the stone in his possession in the wilderness. The stone is the source of the tablets. When Moses struck the stone out of anger, it gave Satan condition to strike Jesus in the event that the chosen people should fall into faithlessness.
This is why Moses could be forgiven for breaking the tablets but was forbidden from entering the promised land after striking the rock out of anger. Had Jesus thrown away his mission in the desert, the stone would have remained in Satan’s possession; wherein we would be forced to fight against each other like beasts perhaps for eternity. A lot was riding on Jesus careful response to the things of God. This is one reason we can bow to him and praise him.
That's very interesting take... never came across it in my wide searches, would you mind to elaborate with this "Satan seed" ? And the role of fallen angels in Genesis 6?
And was Jesus supposed to have a spouse as Messiah in Rabbinic tradition?
Ezechiel 44:1-4 Perpetual Virginity ❤️
Where do you get anything about virginity from ezekiel 44 1-4?
@@WaggerFiggot15 , read it.
@@WaggerFiggot15I think he’s trying to say Mary is the gate that shall be shut for all except the Prince. That’s like stretching a rubber band around the Golden Gate Bridge. 😂
Catholic guy literally doesn't know what literal means....
Protestants don’t know what church means
I don't usually engage in silly accusations, but for the record, he knows the difference between "literal" and "literalistic." Literalistic is a very new tradition.
@@bazzy8376 What are you talking about?
Literalistic is not a "tradition" at all it is an adjective to describe a perspective.
Mary is spouse of Holy Spirit therefore she is the new Israel the church