Roman Catholic Tim Staples Debate vs Christian Steve Gregg ep 5: Points Revisited
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- Опубликовано: 15 сен 2024
- On the final day of a 5 day radio debate, Roman Catholic apologist Tim Staples of Catholic Answers (www.catholic.com/) and Evangelical Christian Bible teacher and radio host Steve Gregg (thenarrowpath.com) tried to close the loop on some topics they had discussed on previous days.
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Keep doing these types of debates. There is a certain type of teaching that comes from listening to two people defending their positions. Love this
Ive come to realize that in debates its not just what they say....but how they say it. with discernment one can tell when a person truly has the spirit of God. "you know a tree by its fruit".
@@lepton31415Yes, Steve is so calm and polite during debates and seems to not be insecure or anxious or worried that he'll be proved wrong. He seems to want to make what he believes to be the biblical case and is perfectly fine with the audience deciding for themselves. The Calvinist and the dispensationalist he debated recently seemed to need to dominate the conversation and get louder /maybe angry/ passionate as they tried to rebut Steve's arguments.
@@chatfieldfan4423 yes! exactly
@@chatfieldfan4423 steve is a great example in his conduct
Brother Steve had on the full Armor of God and bever slipped, fell, stumbled or even flinched. God bless you Steve. From one brother that doesnt idnetify with any-one-specific denomination to another, Thank you for your ministry. The Truth is in you brother🙏
God bless you both for holding these debates. The respectful back and forth is so instructive. Tim, I’ve learned so much listening to you speak here and in many other venues. Steve, you are the most formidable debater I’ve heard for the Protestant position. If these things were clear and easy we wouldn’t have so much division amount people who are legitimately trying to follow Christ. As for me, please pray for me. I’m about ready to convert to Catholicism, but still stubbornly grasping at straws and hoping to be proven wrong. I’ve been hungrily devouring this type of content for a year, hoping to fortify my Protestant position, but it seems the more I study the Bible with openness to what it says, even if what it says sounds Catholic, the more my foundation, which I thought was Jesus and the Bible but in reality was the reformers, washes away. When I opened myself to the possibility that I was wrong, the truths held by Catholics have seemed increasingly evident. Discovering the CCC has been like discovering CS Lewis. I may be wrong. Please pray for me, I’ve been wrestling with this for long enough. I think it’s about time to get off the fence and go where I think God, through the Bible, is leading me.
I'll pray for you
Something to think about in the five debates Steve likes to say that all these issues are protestant versus Catholic that's not true all the churches all over the world generally agree with the Catholic side papal supremacy is the only one that furthest away but they will still affirm papal primacy and all the other issues have technical disagreements but are not that far apart for instance Catholic dogma says Christmas two natures that are United but separate but the oriental orthodox say that he has a composite nature meaning he has one nature, this is why those two churches are not in communion
It is not hard to see now that Paul was talking about the Roman Catholic Church when he said this:
2THESSALONIANS 2:3-4
3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.
THEY HAVE NO IDEA WHAT THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT AND TIM IS A PERFECT EXAMPLE OF THAT. THEY SPEAK ANOTHER GOSPEL ANOTHER JESUS CHRIST AND ARE THEREFORE ACCURSED. THIS INCLUDES ALL THOSE WHO FOLLOW THIS ABOMINABLE "CHURCH".
Tim you've replaced everything that is of God with your false pagan catholic church.
Steve you spoke as the Spirit of God prompted you to do.
God has blinded all those who have no love for the truth. Tim has been blinded by God himself.
2 THESSALONIANS 2:10-12
10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
I THINK LUTHER WAS A SET-UP BY THE ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH TO FLUSH OUT ALL THOSE WHO DON'T SUBMIT TO THEIR AUTHORITY.
GOD USES WHAT THEY INTEND FOR EVIL FOR HIS ALL MIGHTY GOOD.
NOT ONE IS GOOD. GOD ONLY IS GOOD.
MAKE EVERY MAN A LIAR AND ONLY GOD THE TRUTH.
WHEN A MAN LETS GOD SPEAK FOR HIM, HE SPEAKS THE TRUTH OF GOD.
Great job Tim Staples keep praising the name of Jesus Christ.
Mary and Pope you mean?
These discussions have been such a delight. Thank you to both of you.❤
I am a former Catholic and agree with you Steve that some of Tim's comments were condescending & that he was lecturing you rather than debating. How are we saved? Believe in the Lord Jesus Christ and in the New Testament, baptism always came after faith.
You're stubborn and ignorant. You're not listening to what Mr. Tim is saying at all
Religion binds people
Jesus sets us free
Free to love and obey him
❤️🙏🇨🇦✝️
John 17: 21 I pray that they will all be one, just as you and I are one-as you are in me, Father, and I am in you. And may they be in us so that the world will believe you sent me.
22 “I have given them the glory you gave me, so they may be one as we are one. 23 I am in them and you are in me. May they experience such perfect unity that the world will know that you sent me and that you love them as much as you love me.
Thank you Steve Gregg.
Your views are clear in line with the Word in this series of debates. Thank you im encouraged to study .
Peter was corrected by PAUL.
And Peter's conclusion was great.
It shows Peter humbled himself
Jesus used the body to bring corrections.
Peter said about Paul..
Some parts of his letters are hard to understand, which ignorant and unstable people distort, as they do the rest of the Scriptures, to their own destruction.
17Therefore, beloved, since you already know these things, be on your guard so that you will not be carried away by the error of the lawless and fall from your secure standing. 18But grow in the grace and knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. To Him be the glory both now and to the day of eternity...
PRAY and ask the Lord Jesus if the above scripture is about yourself, ask him if your Catholic teachings are distorted, ask Jesus if the doctrines in catholicism are of him. God rejects the proud but will give grace to the humble. We wrestle not against flesh and blood.
Thank you Steve, I wish there was more. I was encouraged by your ability to rightly divide the word of God.
God bless you!
👏🏼….👏🏼….👏🏼….thank you great week
God bless!
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2. The Primacy of the Pope ruclips.net/video/kp_HUaPSzIQ/видео.html
3. The Doctrine of Mary ruclips.net/video/We0FQ4gAVZY/видео.html
4. The Eucharist ruclips.net/video/QzWEab-iJ4g/видео.html
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Catholic change the 10 commandments. Take Idol worship out #2
@@penprop01 Yeah, they will take out everything they cannot justify and guess what God will do with them in the end; God will take them out of the book of life.
REVELATION 22:18-19
18 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:
19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.
@@penprop01 They have added a lot as well.
Tim aged a lot this past week. Great conversations!
Everyone of the reformers; Calvin, Luther, Zwingli came out of the Roman Catholic intelligencia/priesthood after they read their Bibles. (They broke with Rome over indulgences) Does Tim really believe that only the Roman Catholic Church have absolute authority over the interpretation of the Bible? Tell that to the growing number of bishops in open revolt over Pope Francis insistence that the RCC can now bless same sex unions.
They are heretics. They joined a long list of people who left the Church for false beliefs. Yes the Bishops are saying that they won't implement a blessing for same sex couples. And rightfully so but we are still in the Church, we don't leave it and start to create false doctrines that contradict the scriptures
Correct. But all 3 of the so called reformers you mention couldn’t agree with each other on the interpretation of Bible. Just further evidence of why the Bible alone doesn’t work. They all called each other heretics. Think about that please. Do you see how that proves the issue of the authority Protestants claim. I don’t understand how yall can’t see that?
Holy scripture says the pillar of truth is The Church.
@@wolfepup19 "Holy scripture says the pillar of truth is The Church."
What it doesn't say is, the "catholic" church.
@@AgeOfNefarious_Deception agree. So what church is it? All Protestant denominations can be traced back to man and only at most 500 years old. So what church was there prior. For the first 1500 years? Study the early church and the early church fathers please. Thanks.
@@wolfepup19 "All Protestant denominations can be traced back to man"
Yes, the "church" is made up of man. The apostles and first disciples were men, was Jesus not also a man as well as God in the flesh. The Church are the people of God who follow God through faith in Jesus Christ, not those who follow a particular denomination.
Brother Steve, May The Lord continue to use you for the glory of his name!
Never heard the Holy Spirit mentioned much in this conversation. JOHN 16:13 13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.
2 PETER 1:20-21
20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.
21 For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.
No "prophecy" is of private interpretation, not everything in scripture is prophecy, only prophecy is not for any private interpretation.
1 TIMOTHY 3:16-17
16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
17 That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.
JOHN 17:17
17 Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth.
Inspired by God through the Holy Spirit. WORD of TRUTH, GOD BREATHED, LIVING WORD of GOD, THE HOLY BIBLE.
NOT ORAL TRADITIONS OF MAN, THEY ARE NOT INSPIRED. My KJV Bible does not use the word "traditions" at 1 CORINTHIANS 11:2 it uses "ordinances", stark difference. GOD'S WORD IS ENOUGH, AS THE ABOVE VERSES STATE.
MATTHEW 18:20
20 For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them.
We don't need an institution as long as 2 or more are gathered in Jesus' name.
THE CHURCH OF GOD IS NOT THE CATHOLIC CHURCH. THE CHURCH OF GOD ARE THE TRUE BELIEVERS IN CHRIST AND THAT'S DEFINITELY NOT THE CATHOLIC CHURCH.
This debate is profound. It exposes the cultic falsehood in the self exalted Roman Catholic ecclesiological order. Scripture alone is the final authority for God's people in Christ. Religion cannot lead anyone to God. Christ alone is the way the truth and the life (John 14:6). Believers are to primarily submit to Christ and His word. The authority or traditions of a religious organizations are secondary. Secondly, The Roman Catholic interpretation of Scripture on Christian faith and practice is by any standards false and misleading. Believers should read God's word and draw the meaning that the Holy Spirit reveals to them. Finally, Christian tradition cannot supersede the authority of Scripture no matter how long it has been practiced. It must bend to Scripture and fall if it violates Scripture.
John 20:23 Whoever’s sin you forgive is forgiven, John 3:5 unless someone is born of water and the spirit, Rev 21:27 nothing unclean will enter heaven, John 6:53 unless you eat the flesh of the son of man and drink his blood do not have life in you, Matthew 26:26 take, eat, this is my body, Luke 24:35 he was recognized by them in the breaking of the bread… as so many have done before me, I set out to disprove Catholic teaching but instead was faced with the reality that the Catholic Church holds to the truth as revealed in scripture, and the Protestant faith which I believed relies on skipping over and or stripping any true meaning from passages that contradict its foundation, which is not Jesus or the Bible, but Martin Luther.
Proverbs 3:5 lean not on your own understanding, instead trust in the lord with all your heart, John 14:26 the Holy Spirit, whom the father will send in my name will teach you all things and will remind you of everything I have said to you. Who was Jesus speaking to? The Apostles. My love of Christ and knowledge of scripture has exploded since opening my heart to the possibility that two thousand years of brilliant men who devoted their lives to God, and were instructed by giants before them, in line from the Apostles, just might understand scripture a little better than me.
It’s been like those magic image posters from the 90’s, where you stare it the stupid thing for an hour and all you see is a thousand Scooby Doo’s, until finally you see the Lamborghini. Once you see it, it’s there instantly every time you look again.
The ‘cult’ are those that interpret the Bible on their own terms. Steve and thousands of others are their own Pope’s.
I bet you have traditions in the church you go to whether you'd admit it. If scripture is the final authority then why are there thousands of denominations??
Must be a lot of people missing it.
@@gdloamx They don't need or want the pope, they have Jesus, God and His word the Holy Bible. Cults have a powerful charismatic leader that demands their adherents believe what they alone say, in other words their lies, sounds exactly like the catholic church to me.
Paul writes in 1 Thessalonians to hold to the traditions passed on to you
This comes down again to authority. The Catholic wants to follow those that were politically appointed in the church. The Protestant believes that we should study his word and follow the church that most closely aligns with it.
Great job, Steve!
Did Tim ever come back?
No.
I must say when you come to the conclusion of it all Tim Staples makes a lot more sense on issues that word discussed. Steve Gregg comes across as somebody who doesn't need any type of authority because he is his own authority.
That's what I got out of it.
Because you are stuck in foolishness.
Tim is just chanting seminary logics and he is fully scripted. So obvious
And the first church is in Jerusalem, not Rome.
Letters were written to ordinary people, the very fact Jesus shook the religious class
Rome is the new religion that uses Christianity to control people to enrich themselves
Thats why you all killed people for translating the bible from latin eventho latin is a shitty language while the gospels were in greek and the OT in hebrew.
You used religion to make a government for politicking
End of story
Loved,Loved, loved all 5 episodes. I’ve learned so much about the Catholic Church Tim is almost convincing but I feel that Steve was more. As I said in a previous post I am a new baby in Christ a year in a half old and have researched different doctrine somewhat. I think the one I got hung up on was dispensationalism well praise God I don’t believe that anymore. I don’t have a problem with authority whatsoever But I feel that Catholicism is an institution more about power than Jesus Christ. There are a lot of things about the Catholics I don’t like because they have so much authority and access to children. There’s some real evil men in the church are pedophiles and has been easily covered up and it’s being covered up today. But just recently the pope said it’s OK to bless, same-sex marriages. The pope said this I feel like their highest authority. The Pope is blessing homosexuals instead of condemning their act this cannot be the true church.
think you have highlighted why we need to know the Bible because what seems a true argument isn't. Feed on God's word not through meditation and prayer. Think through it slowly. I can't stress enough on meditatingvon scripture and prayer in thinking through it before you consult other sources. God bless you.
The Pope has said same sex relations is sinful
12:01 read through the bible 30 times
24:50 "the disciples still did know that He was God" which is said "is not necessary for salvation" which I am not sure about
30:01 There will be 40,000 denominations and gregg says "I won't believe in any of them.."; The non-denom seems and sounds like a total cop out but maybe its more right than alternatives
44:10 "those that are over you in the Lord"
When Moses established priesthood of Aaron he washed their feet and Jesus did same thing to His apostles at last supper when he washed their feet and made them priests
When Jesus was tempted by Satan, every time he responded by the words "it is written" never by "it is passed down orally".
Tell me about all these times?
Jesus also didn't tell the apostles to write down a bunch of books, put them together, and follow that. He left us a church with true authority in the apostles, which would never be defeated by the gates of hell. It's plain as day.
Oh, and you can thank the Catholic church for the bible you have in your hands. Cheers
You, like any common Protestant reads into the scriptures what you think not what it says. Let the scriptures speak, you should listen.
@@evancawley3236
MATTHEW 4:4, 7, 10
4 But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.
7 Jesus said unto him, It is written again, Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God.
10 Then saith Jesus unto him, Get thee hence, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve.
LUKE 4:4, 10
4 And Jesus answered him, saying, It is written, That man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word of God.
8 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Get thee behind me, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve.
10 For it is written, He shall give his angels charge over thee, to keep thee: (In this verse it is Satan talking. Even Satan knows the Scriptures)
JOHN 6:45
45 It is written in the prophets, And they shall be all taught of God. Every man therefore that hath heard, and hath learned of the Father, cometh unto me.
MATTHEW 21:13
13 And said unto them, It is written, My house shall be called the house of prayer; but ye have made it a den of thieves.
2 TIMOTHY 3:16-17
16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
17 That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.
@@bigdogboos1 If Jesus didn't tell the apostles to write down a bunch of books ,then why did the Catholic church put them together, like you said we can thank the Catholic church for the Bible we have in our hands???
25:55 - 30:00 is spot on banger
bottom line is Christ didn't leave us a bible, he left us a church and that church was given authority. we were never told to create a book and follow that as our religion, we were told to come into the church that Christ established, and submit to the authority of the apostolic leadership (priests, bishops, pope, etc). The bible was created by the Catholic church b/c it had the authority to do so via the Holy Spirit. The bible cactually says that the church is the pillar of truth, not "the bible". The new testament is just a collection of eye witness accounts of Jesus' life, and some letters the apostles wrote to specific churches with specific issues. They taught a billion times more than just those letters.
They dont believe in the Bible they compiled.
Thats key word
They compiled! Old testament was already there. And new testament was already confirmed by 1st and 2nd century
So shut up and obey to the scripture
James doesnt mention priest but elders
Jesus didnt mention priest but apostles
Jesus is the only priest and the High Priest, he doesnt need help from sinners
Staples is going on too long. It compromises wat ever impact he is attempting to make.
@ 0:29:00 ish you just lost me, Tim. "Who are you to question?" Well, we are commanded to question and to test doctrines of our teachers to see if they are true. Any argument that boils down to, "shut up and listen to your betters" is contradictory to this. I wish you had listened and responded to Steve's objections and told me WHY you think listening to tradition is valuable. Telling me that I'm not allowed to read a scripture and figure out what it means on my own is utterly nonsensical. If I can't trust my own reading of scripture, how can I trust my own reading of an interpretation of scriptures? Catholicism seems to boil down to "show up, do the stuff, and don't think about it because you're not qualified to do any thinking.
Tim speaks by way of the authority of his Roman Catholic Church.
Steve speaks by way of the authority of God's Holy word of truth, the Bible.
Tim seems to worship the roman church over God. He was not able to Answer the question what would happen if the Roman church was led by evil, which has happened many times. To say that because you are the head of a church you are immune to sin as long as you sit in a chair. Why not have the Orthodox leaders and all other leaders that didn't follow Roman to sit in the chair. When they did their eyes would be open and the church would be one.lol
Steve cannot explain how he gets the body of Sacred Scripture that he relies on. Without an oral tradition to tell us what the Bible is or even that there is supposed to be a Bible, Steve has no logical beginning point.
Old testament is the basis of the new testament. Without the constantine and catholics, the early church followed the apostles as the apostles followed Christ. Its simple, Christ is the focal point.
Thanks for making our case
@@rufusrot77 All of the majority text (codicies, manuscripts and fragmentsmthat make up evbery source we have for the NT) come from where?
From a Catholic church, monastery, library,
My only comment to Steve Gregg is this, he hecomes across as a person that says I don't believe in any institution well my question to him is who runs his little group? Is it him? Somebody has to be in charge but Steve cuts down the Catholic Church and he comes across as he is the final Authority whether you're talking about interpreting scripture or church government somebody has to make those decisions so when Steve disagrees with somebody in his church what does he do ? Does he just expel the person that he disagrees with, does Steve sayYou have to believe like I do? What's being lost in this debate is this whether it's a big church like the Catholic church or a small little Street Church with about 50 people in it somebody has to be in charge and they still have to interpret that book
There is no group for Steve to run. He just teaches the Bible and answers questions on the radio. He teaches only those who invite him. He doesn't have authority over others. He submits to Jesus. If one doesn't like it or doesn't agree, no need to follow him. Anyone who helps with his ministry is a volunteer, and he doesn't take a salary. Just by listening to Steve in this debate, you should know that he doesn't believe anyone has to agree with him. His motto is "education, not indoctrination". He strives to get people to study their Bibles, learn his to study, and return the guidance of the Holy Spirit rather than a sinful man or organization, decide for themselves.
@@SteveGreggVideos are you saying that Steve doesn't belong to any local church? If not than he becomes his own authority . Is Steve infallible when he teaches the Bible? How does he know he's correct in his hermeneutics? My Bible says not many of you should become teachers because we'll be judged more strictly. Either way he's no different than the Swaggart's who come across as infallible on their TV shows. Much more could be said but you get my drift.
@@SteveGreggVideosamen
Haha, Nuts and Bolts session focusing 1 hour on one topic. Haha
Steve is an adherent of the protestant tradition. That is his foundation.
The New Testament comes out of the Catholic Church. The Catholic church is where Protestantism got it.
That doesn't mean I think Tim did a good job.
New Testament came before catholic church. Read church history, constantine government only compiled into a codex.
Improve your reading skills
Steve Gregg is a stubborn, stubborn man. He doesn't understand what Mr. Tim is saying at all
Improve your listening skills