I wouldn’t be surprised if Ruan Mei wanted to fuse the Propagation and the Abundance to form a new path, and have herself ascend to become the Aeon of said path, since she does mention she would like to become an Aeon in her teaser trailer
there was also a datamined path icon that looks like RM's Ult icon but has some key differences... it's pretty obvious it's meant to be used for a path
I feel like alot of people tend to misunderstand what Ruan Mei is about or is talking about. Becoming an Aeon is not her goal, it is the cherry on top. The actual cake is the understanding of life. If she becomes an Aeon in the process, hey thats great! But if she did not, its more of a "meh" Unless of course you need a living vessel for the birth of the new Aeon, in that case she would most probably volunteer for that
I wouldn’t be surprised if the Stelleron Hunters are helping since we know that each of them were promised a wish fulfilled by Elio and Blade’s is to actually die, so if Long comes back full force and mara ceases to exist or at least is curable, this might be the way Elio promises baldes actual death
What's most unexpected is Luocha talks to his coffin and caresses it as if it contains a human he's in some kind of toxic relationship with, and then when he was offscreen somewhere in Yaoqing the game just dropped that the coffin contains the remains of Tayzzyroth the Bug Lord. Uhhhhh, is someone not gonna call out how freaky that is? My man doesn't even have the chance to explain himself.
I thought it sounded plausible, but when you mentioned Welt and Himeko taking the leviathan remains to Ruan Mei I was 100% convinced, great to see you back on the Star Rail theories right when I've started playing again lol
It's right there in her Myriad Celestia trailer- "If life is Cultivated (Abundance) and Reproduced (Propagation)" "You can dissect Remembrance, control Equilibrium, deconstruct Beauty, and reproduce Permanence." Emphasis on the first line and the last two words. edit: And of course, given the final line of the trailer, there's a good chance she intends to personally try and take up Long's former mantle."
i think the idea of aeons being absorbed into one another definitely holds some weight because we see something a lot like that in the divergent universe gameplay. when you pick equations, you are basically fusing the powers of two paths, but one aeon is generally the "primary" one which outlines how the equation is activated and the other one provides the outcome. for example, nihility x propagation = stacking suspicion on enemies (nihility) gives enemies spores (propagation)
Watching this at the gym had me forget the time. My legs were giving up at the threadmill but no one can stop me when I'm already this invested. great video!
Long himself dissolving and later reincarnating would be very on brand for his concept thematically, even if it wasn't a conscious choice. My personal theory on killing an Aeon is forcing it to act against it's own path, although that might still result in descending. I think a question that should be asked is what happens to *Lan* if Yashoi is killed, and what role he would play in the unfolding events.
and no one is embarrassed that death is included in the concept of the Permanence. they will just glue Lan and Yaoshi together with the corpse of Tayzzyronth.
Thats a good point actually, hopefully the theory for the third aeon killing method is true and Lan just...goes back to being human, because otherwise theres a rather distinct threat to the newly reborn Long if Lan "kills his own followers indiscriminately if they happen to be fighting the Abundance spawn when Lan happens to decide to do something about these ones in particular that very moment" of the Hunt seems likely to have enough tunnel vision to continue trying to eradicate the Abundance within the path of the Permanence 😅
Well-made video! You highlighted a lot of the theories I also had in mind for a while now, namely that the Permanence constituted of the Abundance and the Propagation. Also, you're spot-on in your analysis of Ruan Mei. Many tend to misunderstand her character when the simple truth is that she *only* wants to understand *life*---its essence, origin, meaning, everything. On the topic of Ruan Mei, while yes, it's probable (in terms of story direction) that the Permanence is "revived" from a merging of the Abundance and the Propagation as you mentioned, but I would like to point out another possibility---that being of a new path being born; not the Permanence, but 'Life' itself. And Ruan Mei might be the perfect beholder of this concept. From her trailer, we know that she has an interest in ascending to Aeonhood. It's not her ultimate goal, but I don't think hyv would have hinted at it in her trailer if it wasn't going to lead to anything. So, who knows? This could be another possibility. After all, splitting, dilution, merging, absorbing are very abstract processes; who's to say that putting the Abundance and Propagation back together will rebuild a prefect Permanence? Which is why I say that a new path might be created (eg, Life)
I also want to add that we still know nothing about Jingliu’s 'revelation', which will presumably play a significant role in this godslayer plan. Just wanted to bring light to this cuz I'm hungry for some theories lol
Bailu: a product of Vidiyadhara *reproduction*, is the result of the blessings of Abundance (Shuhu's flesh) and the remains of Permanence (Transmutation Arcanum).
I have a personal (vibe) theory that Idrila, Aeon of Beauty, will be the example of the Third type of Aeon death, through the loss of their ideals/descension of Aeonhood. That’s why They’re missing
@@ajergely6230That’s a cool theory! I was going to add on to OP’s comment about how Aeons can’t just turn away from their paths so easily since they embody that path/concept, but what if they clashed with their opposite? The first method are Aeons killing one another, and the second are Aeons with similar paths clashing and assimilating into one another. If they all have to do with Aeons/paths clashing, then perhaps the third method could be if two Aeons/paths that are opposites to each other clashed. Idrila would not be able to turn away from Beauty so easily, but if THEY clashed with IX, which Nihility (nothing matters so why care) is the opposite to Beauty (everything matters and thus is beautiful), that could divert Idrila from their path, thus, descending them into a mortal as they no longer truly believe in the Beauty. Which in your statement, Idrila’s mortal form would be within IX and missing from the world.
One thing you missed in this topic is.. what will happen to LAN when Yaoshi "disappeared"? That also what Taoran asked to himself and to Jing Yuan. So although this "godslayer protocol" might sound perfect.. there's this one piece of mystery that might play a role later and may ruin all of the plan. Some Aeons have a very narrow singular goal like Akivili who just want to explore the world, but among them Hunt is the narrowest one. And perhaps what happened after THEY achieved THEIR goal might closely related to the 3rd way to KO an Aeon.
... You know, the Borisins, feral users of Abundance, were known to be some really good flesh sculptors through Yaoshi's blessing. But wasn't there a text that claims that the Vidyadhara used to be able to do the same before Long disappeared, but lost the ability to do so after that? Food for thought.
This was an amazing video! I wanted to add to it my own silly theory; considering the fact that Luocha is the only Godslayer without a clear motive, that his character revolves around longing for a destroyed homeland, and that he is very much a mini-Yaoshi... What if he doesn't want to actually end Yaoshi, and instead plans on betraying Jingliu and Ruan Mei and take over Yaoshi's authority once they're weakened? Jingliu's tarot cards say she will face a betrayal, while Luocha’s, and his design, directly say that he will go through a rebirth- so, a Denizen of Abundance, who obsessively longs for a dead homeland, has no ideological reason to want Yaoshi dead, and will be reborn in some way... That sounds like the perfect recipe to have him usurp Yaoshi's Path at some point.
I think the 3rd way to kill an aeon is to somehow make them change their philosophy so they no longer believe in the aspect they represent. I think you said this in your introduction of HSR video.
@@luvlxnadragon I think this might happen to IX at some point possibly with the introduction of Amphoreous being greeko roman inspired and Acheron is one of the rivers of the underworld in Greek mythology, I might be reading to much into this but healing depressed and emotionally shut down people is kinda Elysia's thing and she is getting an expy in starrail.
@@Wilsontripplets I concur, although I doubt it'll happen anytime soon. Probably much later down the line. Although, it's very possible, as we already have proof of the antithesis of IX, that being the Path of Beauty and Idrila. It's stated that Idrila ascended by witnessing the ultimate meaning behind all of existence, and that meaning being Beauty. So if Idrila glanced at the truth and saw meaning in Beauty, IX is fundamentally the opposite. So IX's death could coincide with the reappearance of Idrila. This would also explain why Argenti managed to save Aventurine from IX's shadow, as despite people continuously denying that Argenti could've stepped into IX's shadow by providing head-canon, it's stated in game that Argenti did rescue Aventurine. So Beauty protecting Argenti from Nihility by being the exact opposite, could foreshadow that Beauty is fundamentally stronger than Nihility, but it requires more devotion. Believing in something is much harder than not caring about it at all, so if someone were to believe in Beauty enough, like Argenti, they'd be capable of incredible feats (destroying the giant Swarm Brood, Surviving the Horizon of IX). That's even backed by the fact that Argenti claims that he can still hear THEIR voice. This would also support that the white line around IX's horizon really is the light of Idrila. Maybe Nihility is more believed in, so when we get a group of Knight of Beauty, Doctors of Chaos, and people who actually believe in Beauty, perhaps IX's path might waver and Beauty will become visible again. Actually... basically everything backs this theory, that Beauty is only as powerful as how much a person believes in it. Argenti is stated as one of the most virtuous, pure-hearted Knights of Beauty. He even once met Idrila in the flesh, even if for an instant. Argenti's lightcone talks about him HAVING to spread and preach Beauty across the universe. The occurrence about the Knight of Beauty ends in them sincerely hoping that you BELIEVE in Beauty. There's a constant of belief in Idrila, more than any other Aeon, as if Idrila only truly exists to those who believe in her. Truly believe. This would explain so many things, why people think Idrila has fallen, yet it might only be because they don't believe in THEM anymore that THEY don't appear before them. Idrila never died; people just stopped believing in Beauty and started to think nihilistically. Okay, straight up, I'm cooking here. IX's origins are specifically called a "mystery" by the game. What if when Idrilla disappeared, is when IX was born. What if the Path of Beauty and the Path of Nihility are only as prevalent as people believe them to be. So if more people believe nihilistically, IX will exist more, while if people think optimistically, Idrila will exist more. Both exist at the same time, but one covers the other when one scale is tipped over. OH MY GOD, I'M LITERALLY A GOURMET CHEF HERE!!! What if HooH is the reason for this!!! Maybe THEY balance out Idrila and IX, so if one is believed in too much, the other is covered up, like how IX might be covering Idrila! Maybe Idrila is like a light-version of IX, since if THEIR Beauty is true, than it would logically be incomprehensible. Okay, I was serious at first, but now I've totally lost character and this is just a true cooked and roasted theory here. I'm copy-and-pasting this, lol.
@TheLordofSiIence I have 3 questions that I could use some help understanding as I have barely skimmed the deeper lore of this game right now. 1: what reason do you think causes it to always rain when Acheron uses her emenator powers (in the 3 animations of Acheron using her powers it has rained)? 2: when and if you can answer it how come Irdealia vanished? 3: how old is IX? IX to me seems to be less Nihility and closer to what a god of death would be where no matter what everyone eventually becomes their subject and are usually reflected as dark and harsh but fair in their judgments.
@@Wilsontripplets So, as far as I'm aware, none of those questions have any concrete answers, but I can answer them as best to my knowledge. 1. I have no clue for this one, but I'd personally believe that it might have something to do with her time abilities. Maybe when she freezes time, it's less as if she's freezing time, and more like she's planting the moments of her past she remembers, which overlays the current reality. Kind of like putting two photos on top of each other. That's just my theory though, and I have no clue the actual reason. 2. There's literally no answer for this one, just that one day, Idrila disappeared as suddenly as THEY appeared. There's constant debates both in-game, and out-of-game, about what actually happened to THEM. Knights of Beauty believe that THEY'VE just disappeared, Mirror Holders believe THEY shattered across space and collecting THEIR relics will restore THEM, most people believe THEY'RE dead, or THEY could even be behind IX like a lot of people believe. THEY really just disappeared one day and outside of Argenti hearing something, THEY haven't said a word since. 3. IX is Nihility, not death. IX represents the meaninglessness of existence, that if everything's going to end anyways, why bother? You're probably referring to Acheron as IX's follower, but Acheron isn't. IX has three primary groups that follow THEM. Self Annihilators, Device IX, and Doctors of Chaos. Doctors of Chaos are easy to understand; their whole goal is to make IX happy. They basically want to make IX believe in something that's not nihility. It's also been told that they do the same for Self-Annihilators; if you've played simulated universe and have gotten those wax seals with a Path symbol on it that gives you a single blessing of that path, those were created by the Doctors of Chaos to cheer up Self-Annihilators. As for Self-Annihilators, they're basically Emanators of Nihility. To become one, you just have to get caught in a shadow of IX and somehow survive, which basically curses you with THEIR powers. So some Self-Annihilators are actually against IX, like Acheron, and other Self-Annihilators are basically just depressed and fully believe in Nihility. We only know 1 by name, and two others who appear in occurrences in SU. As for Device IX, all we know is that they're basically a super black market organization located somewhere inside of IX's reflections, and that Polka Kakamond, and MAYBE Doctor Primitive, have ties to it. That's literally it though, lol. So Nihility isn't about fair justice or death, it's literally about nothing and meaninglessness. As for how old IX is, like I said, THEIR birth and origins are a complete mystery.
18:11 In addition to asking Xianzhou for help for the reasons mentioned, let's not forget that the best way to face an Aeon is with another Aeon, and which Aeon would be more willing to help in this war? Lan! Lan was a soldier from Xianzhou, a likely former follower of Qlipoth, and who lived in a nation "blessed" by Long. Lan would be the only Aeon willing to have a hand in this, after all Propagation and Abundance are so similar
With General Hua's acceptance to participate in this plan, they could use the Divination ship's satellite to "point out" the location where they need Lan's help, just like FuXuan (and her teacher) did when they asked for help in the war they were going to lose (the same war that killed Yaoqing's former General and Yukong's "friend") Things are lining up nicely to put this plan into practice.
19:14 I would like to mention. An aeon is only consistent of the concept they represent. If an aeon somehow does not follow their path they kinda... cease to exist..
So there's like a 6th option for the Godslayer Protocol, where Ruan Mei uses Yaoshi's blessings in the creation of some bug beast so unholy that the eldritch god of immortality gets mad and abandons their path just to kill it?
@frenchrevenge6406 possibly?? But it does mean that for example if the Nihility were to suddenly find meaning in life they are going agaisn't their path which is all they are made up of so they basically go poof- i do HIGHLY doubt this is what godslayer protocal will be, but it is something that could in theory happen to an aeon (not yet proven to HAVE happened, and again, not claiming it will happen here)
I was so happy seeing you uploaded a star rail theory again - another mindblowing one at that. Thank you! I'd be curious to see if Ruan Mei tries to ascend to Aeonhood instead of Loong...
7:46 This is a point that bothered me so much. Propogation and Abundance seemed to be paths that are like right next to each other, yet Propogation supposedly spawned from Permanence which felt so different (Though it could be similar to Genshin's Transience-Eternity). Yeahhh, I guess Permanence is an older path, so if Propogation had to stray from one, it would be from Permanence rather than from Abundance, a path that I think didn't exist yet, but.... But still It bothered me a lot.
Ruan Mei wants to learn more about life so she can be an Aeon herself. I doubt she would risk reviving Tayzzyronth without finding a way to absorb their path.
About your end note on the third option, I feel like there was something in game that said Aeons can't stray from their path once they ascend so I'm not sure if they can just descend from their position as Aeon since it could imply they're not following their path as truthfully anymore nad therefore "die"
This… this actually fits with what Luocha has stated about the thing within his coffin. For those who don’t remember Luocha has stated on multiple occasions that the being within his coffin is “an old acquaintance” that he once made a promise to “return home” . When it was first revealed that the coffin contained a piece of Tazzyronth, I was confused, but if Tazzyronth is born from part of Loong, then this promise of “returning home” could actually be a promise to return Loong to it’s original state. If this is true, then Luocha’s powers of abundance likely originally come from Loong, and thus him considering Yaoshi to be his enemy is because as long as she exists, then Loong will remain dead eternally. Oh, and one last thing, I’ve been wondering for a while why Luocha Raksha Appcalypse of all people would make a deal to respect the dying wish of a random passerby, but if said passerby were Loong, the being who understands the true nature of Life and Death, things all fall into place. In Honkai Impact 3rd’s “Second Key” Manga it is shown that in every known universe that Su has seen (which is impressive considering that Su has canonically spent the last 5000 years doing the Dr. Strange “I saw every universe and we only have one chance of winning” thing) that Otto Apocalypse is obsessed with the death of his beloved Kallen Kaslana. And given that Otto and Luocha are lookalikes, that Luocha isn’t his real name, and that Otto is regularly referred to as “The Raksha” (a word that is more or less synonymous with Luocha in Chinese) by Hi3’s equivalents of both Sushang and Yanqing. I find it likely that Luocha’s true goal is to use the collision of the Aeons as leverage to revive his beloved.
I kinda had the same thought but what would happen to Lan then ? Because Lan and Yaoshi are like Life and Death philosophy, would Lan go after Long on his own ? Or will they collide too to "ascend" to a concept that could clash with Long ? Or just exist and his own path will be enough to be the other pair of " life & breeding " Anyway I really love Long so i really hope we will get more mentions of it
One observation that I saw on your last video and I see repeated in this one. Paths are not CONCEPTS per se, they are (and very explicitly) IDEOLOGIES. Nihility is not nothingness itself, it is the belief that existence's meaningless makes your own actions irrelevant and not worth doing, while Elation is not laughter but the belief that existence's meaningless makes your own enjoyment the absolute priority. That ideology gives them authority over some concepts associated to their ideology, but those concepts are not the path itself. That is why there can be paths with a similar outcome that do not overlap, because their methods (ideologies) are completely different. With Harmony and Order, they do overlap because Order is just one of the permutations that Harmony accepts. It is also why Mara is a feature, not a bug, for the Abundance. The Abundance ideology is survival of the individual at any cost and becoming an unkillable monster is the best way of doing so.
This is what their statue has to say to us in simulated universe: "...All sentient beings... will have all their wishes fulfilled... torment and healing... are in a symbiotic relationship..." they fully believe the torment is necessary for the healing part as well, like you said, a feature not a bug
Would bringing back Permanence actually fix abundance? Or create a whole new issue? When you mentioned how Long could change Abundance blessings, It took me back to the end of Penacony. The ability to not truly die in a dream was a power of the Order. When Order was slapped down and Sunday defeated, the power did not convert to Harmony. It just disappeared entirely. People can die in the dreamscape now. So there is a chance that Long coming back doesn’t fix Abundance’s flaws but gets rid of their long lives entirely, unless Long actively decides to bless the Xianzhou natives with his dragon style immortality. Becoming a short life ain’t bad, but consider the awful adjustment period since everyone is used to working with much larger time scales. Another issue with Permanence returning is that a lot of important tech the fleets rely on are Abundance based or have important parts that need abundance materials. For example, the starskiffs seeds from the Ambrosal Arbor and the Jade Abaci from the Fallow Earth (the latter which is also used for a lot more things like construction, medicine, and also growing the starskiffs). If Yaoshi goes, what happens to these materials? Do they change? Do they lose effectiveness? Do they just die out and the Xianzhou have to scrabble for replacement materials with whatever amount of time they have? The minerals I think could last awhile, if their properties remain unchanged, but the tree would wither almost instantly. I’m not even gonna touch what could happen to Lan and his blessings lol. This is something I had to get out because this video had me thinking.
I guess with the materials issue they should be somewhat prepared for it? Theyre making use of the plague marks for now because they canr afford to lose any advantage in this war with the Abundance, but their entire goal and the goal of the Aeon they worship is to see the end of the Abundance after all, theyve got to have some idea of how to handle whatever that will mean for their culture, right? Plus their leaders have just been brought in in the plan, theyve got the chance to prepare for the loss of the Abundance more than anyone else in the universe 😅
@@pipedream2556I’d agree with you except the whole thing with Ambrosal Arbor seals shows that there is a decent chance that they didn’t. They didn’t have any alternative to a high elder maintaining the seals and never came up with one the entirety of Dan Feng’s arrest to Dan Heng’s exile to his return with the Astral Express. The seals just got weaker and weaker with nobody to maintain them. Even after the assassination attempt during the Imbibitor Lunae story quest, there have been no proposed alternatives to what to do if something happened to Bailu or Dan Heng since they need to be together to work on the seals. At this point, anyone can make their way to the Arbor because it is canon the Dan Heng never put the water back (NPCs at the alchemy commission talk about it). There is also the fact that they literally built their government around the hunt of the Abundance. Killing Yaoshi and their abominations is the foundation of the alliance of the races that live there and a large part of politics. The conditions of the Foxians joining was not only imprisoning but making the Borisin Hoolay suffer. The Vidyadhara’s standing in the Xianzhou is based upon the fact that the high elders suppress the plaguemarks. They don’t acknowledge the fact that their goal will most likely get rid of their Aeon in the process or, if Lan’s hunt is removing ALL traces of Abundance, they may one day also be in danger. Unless something comes up in the next few Luofu visits, the focus is on the hunt itself and never what happens when there are no targets left to hunt down.
Really interesting video! Since the lore path of Hunt is somewhat intertwined with the Abundance, I am also curious to see what the ramifications of the Godslayer Protocol to the path of Hunt! Can't wait for the next patches!
Awesome theory video as per usual I LOVE TO EAT THESE UP I was doing bailu and Dan hengs story quest earlier today so the godslayer protocol and Long were already on my mind!
WAIT THE FCK UP if Long returns, HooH might empower IX or Nanook to keep things in balance, and isn't Acheron and a whole group of Self-Anihilators trying to find a way to stop the Nihility? So if the timing is right (or wrong, depends) HooH might have only Nanook to balance the reborned Long AND AS FAR AS WE NOW THE STELLARON HUNTERS ARE TRYING TO KILL NANOOK AAAASHEFJRFJYDVJDBI Oh yeah. It's all coming together
i hope that ruan mei's path is called genesis. it fits the combination of propagation and abundance, if she wanted to combine both paths to become said path's aeon.
The permanence is a new concept in this god slayer protocol theory. Compared to other theories I’ve heard. Personally, I was thinking of making a sort of Ouroboros. Endless self propagation and self destruction. Which I guess in a way would achieve permanence. With abundance creating a new food supply while the propagation creating endless offspring that consumes the “mother”. If combine the two it kinda does look like Permanence if you squint hard enough with the next life which is a copy of the original consuming and replacing the previous life. But then I remembered Ouroboros was already a thing with the Voracity. And wondered why isn’t voracity being used as the Aeon Cocktail.
It's gotta be at least somewhat coincidental, but it's pretty interesting how DHIL, the former high elder of the Vidyadhara on the Luofu, is so well-suited to the path of Propagation in the Simulated Universe.
In march 7th companion quest fake Herta this this line : "because she had no past to speak of.she was an Aeon, and Aeons have no past... From the moment they ascend, the past and future of their existence becomes inundated by their path. March 7th's mistake was the loss of the authority of the Aeons." this could be the third way to kill an Aeon
I always love the part where she just speculates freely. It’s so fun and interesting to listen to. I hope there is more to it hehe. Butttttt WHAT A VIDEOO
Just wanted to say thank you for your work, you put these together in an easy to follow way, and it’s fun hearing you piece the different parts together to form a solid theory
Hey so, I was checking out the equations in divergent universe and came across a 2* equation called "Viscorpus" which according to the hsr fandom wiki, are 'a eukaryotic, protozoan, colloidal protozoan subspecies with the ability to change into different shapes and reproduce.' And as Ashikai said at 12:54 , 'melt down into a goo and undergo a sort of reset in their life' when describing the vidyadhara, who are scions of Long, Aeon of Permanance. And lo and behold the "Viscorpus" equation requires Abundance and Propagation blessings. Coincidence? I have no idea. Ik the Viscorpus and the Vidyadhara are two different races but the descriptions sound similar, maybe I'm stretching things here but who knows. Then in the simulated universe, when choosing the Abundance dice in swarm disaster, there just so happens to be a path resonance with Propagation called "mountain high". While in Gold and Gears, when choosing the Propagation path, there just so happens to be a resonance interplay with Abundance called 'Compounded Macrospore'. Honestly idk if these mean anything but it's just so interesting seeing the Abundance and Propagation together after watching this video lol.
Finally star rail lore, I really wish if you do also main quests and world quests videos, I play and don't focus on the story I like to watch on RUclips and you're one my favorite story tellers so please try to tell us about them as well
Kinda feel like the Propagation vs. the Abundance makes sense - Tayzzyronth can make limitless soldiers, and Yaoshi can make immortal soldiers. It's basically a unbreakable shield vs. unstoppable sword conundrum, with Yaoshi as the shield and Tay (i'm not typing that name multiple times) the sword. At the very least, the shard of the Propagation can likely fight Yaoshi to a standstill while some other Aeon or force (possibly Lan) tips the scales with additional firepower. edit: okay no you're right, ruan mei is big sus.
Oh, your theory seems very legit! I think it has a potential to be 99% to be true. You are so incredible to connect the dots and come up with this theory.
Gosh I’m so glad you do HSR videos, im so tired of seeing too many people making too off-point videos about HSR lore. But you really are incredible, thank you Ashikai for working so hard for us all
Okey, i have been obsessing over this SPECIFICK TOPIC. (made a whole thread about it too) Thank you very much. And i think the Xianzhou wont be too happy to oblige in this help Yes the theoretical death of Yaoshi is their goal but the way Luocha and Jingliu made themself THE NUMBER ONE ENEMY similar way to what Stellaron hunters did, just to want see the leader /leaders aka Marshal Hua/ Fu xuan and Jing Yuan is playing with a two edged sword. and if Long is indeed still around, they just lost their ability to reascend , if Ruan Mei, Jingliu and Luocha were to be succesfull, we might have two eons on one path. Also Luocha in his lc is seen having to heal the remnants who look very much alive and eeger to stab Luocha in the heart are likely ekpt alive by him. I wonder if there could be other people keeping those remnants alive for him. Since he would have to been seperated from the coffin and maybe the coffin is STILL on the Loufu while he is on the Xuling with Jingliu. Maybe someone from the Alchemy Commision? Luocha's companion quest could be not a just a story march just read but a forshadowing from the devs that there are much more people helping aid in the project, or maybe something similar to what Nahida did with Wanderer's memory. Turning into a story book for poeple in the know to read but also to conseal their actions as just writting. anyway i cant wait for more stuff with the god slayer protocol and especially rn The Zhuming and it likely loosing their General just like Loufu (Huaiyan wishes to retire finnaly and Jing Yuan has been forshadowed to loose his mind and turn into a mara struck at any moment now)
I thought as well that the plan was to merge the two paths into one and have it deal with the negative of each path. One that births and consumes at an alarming rate and the other that multiples and persists. In the end, putting limitations on the new path or ending the old.
Another detail not addressed here is that we have an example of Permanence failing at the immortal thing with the Dan Feng sin (Dan Heng and Bailu power split and incorrect rebirth). Why did it fail specifically? The ritual of the _Transmutation Arcanum_ were not correctly applied (the preceptors messing around and finding out). Arcanum meaning mystery or secret and Transmutation being self-explanatory. However, WHO is the Will of Transmutation, one of the oldest Aeons and connected to Leviathans? That's right: Qlipoth the preservation. Preservation, a path wich also could be said to clash with Permanence. Both paths casually having esotheric Transmutation powers? How curious. Not only that but Tayzzy split from Permanence long after Long (heh) supposedly died. It's interesting to see Vidyadhara have their powers of manipulation (TRANSMUTATION) become weaker after some time too, to the point only themselves and a few of them control it, which leads me to believe these events are related. Not only that but Preservation was the one to "defeat" Propagation, and by Ena's own words, it was his RESPONSIBILITY. The deal they made also involved Oroboros the Voracity which also went missing after the Swarm Disaster and who is a LEVIATHAN... If it turns out the power of Transmutation is related to Leviathans I would not be surprised at all.
I think the third way of killing an aeon is either making it´s Path obsolete: Like if Yaoshi is really "killed", Lan´s Path of the Hunt is made obsolete thus ceases to exist. OR: Making an Aeon NOT believing in its own Path anymore. Now this is probably even more complicated, but is essentially what (by my understanding) the Doctors of Chaos try to achieve with IX: If they can give IX some purpose, the Path of Nihility ceases to exist aswell. In both cases, the Aeon themselves loses its meaning or purpose and the Path thus ceases to exist.
Ohh this is makes a lot of sense now. I focus a good bit on the SU stuff since it's fun, but I always had missing pieces to the stories. One of my friends loves your videos and shared them with me😊❤
The big question I have in Luocha’s plan is what happens to Lan if it works? Once their hunt is over and Yaoshi is gone, do they persist? Do the blessings they’ve gifted to the Xianzhou persist? Does their arrow aim somewhere else now? Who knows
i mean theres also a way to wipe out the path of abundance which id argue is more difficult that actually fighting the aeon itself... like erasing the concept of abundance is something only hooh can probably do and then again that would probably lead to it manifesting in a different form. either way if they do really converge i think there is no guarantee that it would even be the permanence. maybe it would make a whole NEW path like... [cultivation] if the plan works wrong. but the pieces do fit.
We dont have Origin as a path. it's only part of the name of a sword from Izumo Permanence is the closest in HSR In the different ways for a Herrscher in HI3rd, maybe, but not is HSR
@@Powerbomb323 not permanence. canonically "origin" is assigned to the Finality path (knowns as both end and begining.) and sometimes Remembrance since as memories of the past, it functions as the origin of things. Also, life forms existed before Long ascended, namely the leviathans (ouroboros is one and perhaps long is theorized to be one too) and the beings born from their fossils.
this theory actually seems perfect-and im so glad u’ve gotten back into hsr i missed ur theories :) one thing tho-abt the third way, im pretty sure its mentioned that if an aeon attempts to descend back down to an immortal/mortal they die, tho i could be wrong, and obv ruan mei may be trying to change that-maybe she could even convince tazzy to quit aeonhood by using leviathan remains to sort of restore their home planet/ppl or smthn.
To be fair if we pretend for a moment that Aeon's are the big herrschers, then it would track with MHY repeating events in different ways and cycles that they will in fact make a big harpoon out of Tayzzyronth and stab the fuck out of Yaoshi with it. Ofc it might cause the fusion and stuff, and follow any of the 3 'ways' to kill an aeon but i do think somebody's getting stabbed with a bug leg. Sort of how people of Izumo did as well. Also on lesser scale. Sort of how Scaramouche used Archon's gnosis to become one. Sort of how probably Tsaritsa will use fragments of a Descender to fuck over another one too.
Amazing video and theory as always I am always impressed with the quality of every aspect of these videos. I enjoy them so much. This also makes me wonder maybe Akavili descended from their aeon hood and is a nameless somewhere out there trailblazing bc that is what their path is about
Forgive me if this was already mentioned in the video or in another comment, but you'll be very interested in the blurb for the light cone "On the Fall of an Aeon". Destruction will take them both.
In HSR it states that the aeons are slaves to their path so idk how loucha and gang could get tazzy to kill abundance for them if that was what they were planning. Also, I was thinking maybe raun mei is trying to become the aeon of life or creation in some way so she can fuse with abundance to kill yaoshi.
Propagation is the replication of the self as an external body Abundance is the maintenance of the single body... potentially by swapping parts, leading to ship-of-theseus? If we interpret it this way, then the vidyadhara combine both, using replication to create a new body and then swapping the body as an extension of swapping the component, thereby avoiding "compatibility errors" so to speak.
I love this 😭 Lan is my favorite aeon, I was so disappointed he was not really important in both of Laofu story quests. I would love to see him playing some role in the plot, not only existing as a concept.
this is really interesting! when i saw that welt and himeko were helping ruan mei get the leviathan remains, i immediately thought of ouroboros lol i thought it was said somewhere that long disappeared because they found the answer/solution to the question/desire that cased them to ascend to aeonhood, which could explain why/how long knew all of life
Very cool video! Based on your final theory, maybe Dan Heng will become the vessel for reviving Lon. Another theory would be Ruan Mei herself becoming the new combined Aeon, maybe the Aeon of Life.
We do have the Doctors of Chaos who're trying to make IX not think the world is Meaningless. So it could be possible that if they succeed IX will lose their Aeonhood
If all this happens to be true, I am incredibly curious what happens to the Hunt path, does Lan just start trying to kill Lang now? Does he not because it's not the same? If he doesn't, what does he do now, since his hunt is over? If he does give chase I guess they can just keep it ongoing as it currently is in the game
I actually had the Theory that Long underwent an hatching Rebirth like the other Vidiyadara and became the first High Elder(after having Split off into multiple Part of itself to create them)
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I still love the fact that Luocha was just casually carrying around part of the corpse of Bug Satan and didn’t bring it up for about 10 versions
not just carrying it around, talking with it
remember that little extra cutscene after his storyquest?
Bug satan is kinda fit with those bugs lol.
Lmao bug satan
The existence of Bug Satan implies the existence of a Bug God.
I expect nothing less from an Otto look-alike.
I wouldn’t be surprised if Ruan Mei wanted to fuse the Propagation and the Abundance to form a new path, and have herself ascend to become the Aeon of said path, since she does mention she would like to become an Aeon in her teaser trailer
a mix of propagation and abundance does sound a lot like ruan meis research. kinda reproducing, life, heredity, DNA stuff
Ruan Mei - Aeon of Life?
there was also a datamined path icon that looks like RM's Ult icon but has some key differences... it's pretty obvious it's meant to be used for a path
@@JM-nothing-more "Life" is not abstract enough for an Aeon. More like "Creation", since we already have "Destruction".
I feel like alot of people tend to misunderstand what Ruan Mei is about or is talking about.
Becoming an Aeon is not her goal, it is the cherry on top.
The actual cake is the understanding of life.
If she becomes an Aeon in the process, hey thats great! But if she did not, its more of a "meh"
Unless of course you need a living vessel for the birth of the new Aeon, in that case she would most probably volunteer for that
I wouldn’t be surprised if the Stelleron Hunters are helping since we know that each of them were promised a wish fulfilled by Elio and Blade’s is to actually die, so if Long comes back full force and mara ceases to exist or at least is curable, this might be the way Elio promises baldes actual death
well as long as its inside elio ending i think they are chances that they could help.
That actually makes so much sense. In her Myriad Celestia Ruan Mei even hinted at wanting to "reproduce Permanence".
More like BECOME Ruan Mei the Permanence.
she had lines like that for half a dozen paths
People kind of forgets that she Is traumatized by the death of her family and that's why she Is so fixated on life and immortality.
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I am BEGGING you to make Star Rail videos more often. The way you explain them just tickles something in my brain
Star Rail's stories becomes so much instersting when the Aeons gets involved
Same I'd love more HSR
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What's most unexpected is Luocha talks to his coffin and caresses it as if it contains a human he's in some kind of toxic relationship with, and then when he was offscreen somewhere in Yaoqing the game just dropped that the coffin contains the remains of Tayzzyroth the Bug Lord.
Uhhhhh, is someone not gonna call out how freaky that is? My man doesn't even have the chance to explain himself.
Bro is not beating the allegations 💀
Bro thinks the bug is kallen 😂
Love is love 😌Sometimes a family is one hot man and an immortal fragment of an insectoid god-being trapped in a coffin!
I thought it sounded plausible, but when you mentioned Welt and Himeko taking the leviathan remains to Ruan Mei I was 100% convinced, great to see you back on the Star Rail theories right when I've started playing again lol
It's right there in her Myriad Celestia trailer-
"If life is Cultivated (Abundance) and Reproduced (Propagation)"
"You can dissect Remembrance, control Equilibrium, deconstruct Beauty, and reproduce Permanence."
Emphasis on the first line and the last two words.
edit: And of course, given the final line of the trailer, there's a good chance she intends to personally try and take up Long's former mantle."
This is Ruan Mei right?
@SpydeR5K yes
i think the idea of aeons being absorbed into one another definitely holds some weight because we see something a lot like that in the divergent universe gameplay. when you pick equations, you are basically fusing the powers of two paths, but one aeon is generally the "primary" one which outlines how the equation is activated and the other one provides the outcome. for example, nihility x propagation = stacking suspicion on enemies (nihility) gives enemies spores (propagation)
Watching this at the gym had me forget the time. My legs were giving up at the threadmill but no one can stop me when I'm already this invested. great video!
Long himself dissolving and later reincarnating would be very on brand for his concept thematically, even if it wasn't a conscious choice. My personal theory on killing an Aeon is forcing it to act against it's own path, although that might still result in descending.
I think a question that should be asked is what happens to *Lan* if Yashoi is killed, and what role he would play in the unfolding events.
Thats the third path, since they doenst have a goal anymore they descend to mortality 😂
and no one is embarrassed that death is included in the concept of the Permanence. they will just glue Lan and Yaoshi together with the corpse of Tayzzyronth.
Thats a good point actually, hopefully the theory for the third aeon killing method is true and Lan just...goes back to being human, because otherwise theres a rather distinct threat to the newly reborn Long if Lan "kills his own followers indiscriminately if they happen to be fighting the Abundance spawn when Lan happens to decide to do something about these ones in particular that very moment" of the Hunt seems likely to have enough tunnel vision to continue trying to eradicate the Abundance within the path of the Permanence 😅
Well-made video! You highlighted a lot of the theories I also had in mind for a while now, namely that the Permanence constituted of the Abundance and the Propagation. Also, you're spot-on in your analysis of Ruan Mei. Many tend to misunderstand her character when the simple truth is that she *only* wants to understand *life*---its essence, origin, meaning, everything.
On the topic of Ruan Mei, while yes, it's probable (in terms of story direction) that the Permanence is "revived" from a merging of the Abundance and the Propagation as you mentioned, but I would like to point out another possibility---that being of a new path being born; not the Permanence, but 'Life' itself. And Ruan Mei might be the perfect beholder of this concept. From her trailer, we know that she has an interest in ascending to Aeonhood. It's not her ultimate goal, but I don't think hyv would have hinted at it in her trailer if it wasn't going to lead to anything. So, who knows? This could be another possibility. After all, splitting, dilution, merging, absorbing are very abstract processes; who's to say that putting the Abundance and Propagation back together will rebuild a prefect Permanence? Which is why I say that a new path might be created (eg, Life)
I also want to add that we still know nothing about Jingliu’s 'revelation', which will presumably play a significant role in this godslayer plan. Just wanted to bring light to this cuz I'm hungry for some theories lol
Bailu: a product of Vidiyadhara *reproduction*, is the result of the blessings of Abundance (Shuhu's flesh) and the remains of Permanence (Transmutation Arcanum).
i find it really interesting how the whole "splitting and reforming aeons" process closely resembles sythesis and decomposition chemical reactions
I have a personal (vibe) theory that Idrila, Aeon of Beauty, will be the example of the Third type of Aeon death, through the loss of their ideals/descension of Aeonhood. That’s why They’re missing
I think that Idrila is alive and inside of IX. Leaving a comment here to see if i was wrong whenever both become relevant plot points
@@ajergely6230That’s a cool theory! I was going to add on to OP’s comment about how Aeons can’t just turn away from their paths so easily since they embody that path/concept, but what if they clashed with their opposite? The first method are Aeons killing one another, and the second are Aeons with similar paths clashing and assimilating into one another. If they all have to do with Aeons/paths clashing, then perhaps the third method could be if two Aeons/paths that are opposites to each other clashed. Idrila would not be able to turn away from Beauty so easily, but if THEY clashed with IX, which Nihility (nothing matters so why care) is the opposite to Beauty (everything matters and thus is beautiful), that could divert Idrila from their path, thus, descending them into a mortal as they no longer truly believe in the Beauty. Which in your statement, Idrila’s mortal form would be within IX and missing from the world.
One thing you missed in this topic is.. what will happen to LAN when Yaoshi "disappeared"? That also what Taoran asked to himself and to Jing Yuan. So although this "godslayer protocol" might sound perfect.. there's this one piece of mystery that might play a role later and may ruin all of the plan.
Some Aeons have a very narrow singular goal like Akivili who just want to explore the world, but among them Hunt is the narrowest one. And perhaps what happened after THEY achieved THEIR goal might closely related to the 3rd way to KO an Aeon.
Omg, im on board with this theory. LIKE i really can see it happens
... You know, the Borisins, feral users of Abundance, were known to be some really good flesh sculptors through Yaoshi's blessing. But wasn't there a text that claims that the Vidyadhara used to be able to do the same before Long disappeared, but lost the ability to do so after that?
Food for thought.
This was an amazing video! I wanted to add to it my own silly theory; considering the fact that Luocha is the only Godslayer without a clear motive, that his character revolves around longing for a destroyed homeland, and that he is very much a mini-Yaoshi... What if he doesn't want to actually end Yaoshi, and instead plans on betraying Jingliu and Ruan Mei and take over Yaoshi's authority once they're weakened? Jingliu's tarot cards say she will face a betrayal, while Luocha’s, and his design, directly say that he will go through a rebirth- so, a Denizen of Abundance, who obsessively longs for a dead homeland, has no ideological reason to want Yaoshi dead, and will be reborn in some way... That sounds like the perfect recipe to have him usurp Yaoshi's Path at some point.
I think the 3rd way to kill an aeon is to somehow make them change their philosophy so they no longer believe in the aspect they represent. I think you said this in your introduction of HSR video.
@@luvlxnadragon I think this might happen to IX at some point possibly with the introduction of Amphoreous being greeko roman inspired and Acheron is one of the rivers of the underworld in Greek mythology, I might be reading to much into this but healing depressed and emotionally shut down people is kinda Elysia's thing and she is getting an expy in starrail.
I have a harebrained theory that we end up beating Nanook this way
And instead of dying, he reverts back to being mortal
@@Wilsontripplets I concur, although I doubt it'll happen anytime soon. Probably much later down the line.
Although, it's very possible, as we already have proof of the antithesis of IX, that being the Path of Beauty and Idrila. It's stated that Idrila ascended by witnessing the ultimate meaning behind all of existence, and that meaning being Beauty. So if Idrila glanced at the truth and saw meaning in Beauty, IX is fundamentally the opposite. So IX's death could coincide with the reappearance of Idrila. This would also explain why Argenti managed to save Aventurine from IX's shadow, as despite people continuously denying that Argenti could've stepped into IX's shadow by providing head-canon, it's stated in game that Argenti did rescue Aventurine.
So Beauty protecting Argenti from Nihility by being the exact opposite, could foreshadow that Beauty is fundamentally stronger than Nihility, but it requires more devotion. Believing in something is much harder than not caring about it at all, so if someone were to believe in Beauty enough, like Argenti, they'd be capable of incredible feats (destroying the giant Swarm Brood, Surviving the Horizon of IX). That's even backed by the fact that Argenti claims that he can still hear THEIR voice. This would also support that the white line around IX's horizon really is the light of Idrila. Maybe Nihility is more believed in, so when we get a group of Knight of Beauty, Doctors of Chaos, and people who actually believe in Beauty, perhaps IX's path might waver and Beauty will become visible again.
Actually... basically everything backs this theory, that Beauty is only as powerful as how much a person believes in it. Argenti is stated as one of the most virtuous, pure-hearted Knights of Beauty. He even once met Idrila in the flesh, even if for an instant. Argenti's lightcone talks about him HAVING to spread and preach Beauty across the universe. The occurrence about the Knight of Beauty ends in them sincerely hoping that you BELIEVE in Beauty. There's a constant of belief in Idrila, more than any other Aeon, as if Idrila only truly exists to those who believe in her. Truly believe. This would explain so many things, why people think Idrila has fallen, yet it might only be because they don't believe in THEM anymore that THEY don't appear before them. Idrila never died; people just stopped believing in Beauty and started to think nihilistically.
Okay, straight up, I'm cooking here. IX's origins are specifically called a "mystery" by the game. What if when Idrilla disappeared, is when IX was born. What if the Path of Beauty and the Path of Nihility are only as prevalent as people believe them to be. So if more people believe nihilistically, IX will exist more, while if people think optimistically, Idrila will exist more. Both exist at the same time, but one covers the other when one scale is tipped over. OH MY GOD, I'M LITERALLY A GOURMET CHEF HERE!!! What if HooH is the reason for this!!! Maybe THEY balance out Idrila and IX, so if one is believed in too much, the other is covered up, like how IX might be covering Idrila! Maybe Idrila is like a light-version of IX, since if THEIR Beauty is true, than it would logically be incomprehensible. Okay, I was serious at first, but now I've totally lost character and this is just a true cooked and roasted theory here. I'm copy-and-pasting this, lol.
@TheLordofSiIence I have 3 questions that I could use some help understanding as I have barely skimmed the deeper lore of this game right now.
1: what reason do you think causes it to always rain when Acheron uses her emenator powers (in the 3 animations of Acheron using her powers it has rained)?
2: when and if you can answer it how come Irdealia vanished?
3: how old is IX? IX to me seems to be less Nihility and closer to what a god of death would be where no matter what everyone eventually becomes their subject and are usually reflected as dark and harsh but fair in their judgments.
@@Wilsontripplets So, as far as I'm aware, none of those questions have any concrete answers, but I can answer them as best to my knowledge.
1. I have no clue for this one, but I'd personally believe that it might have something to do with her time abilities. Maybe when she freezes time, it's less as if she's freezing time, and more like she's planting the moments of her past she remembers, which overlays the current reality. Kind of like putting two photos on top of each other. That's just my theory though, and I have no clue the actual reason.
2. There's literally no answer for this one, just that one day, Idrila disappeared as suddenly as THEY appeared. There's constant debates both in-game, and out-of-game, about what actually happened to THEM. Knights of Beauty believe that THEY'VE just disappeared, Mirror Holders believe THEY shattered across space and collecting THEIR relics will restore THEM, most people believe THEY'RE dead, or THEY could even be behind IX like a lot of people believe. THEY really just disappeared one day and outside of Argenti hearing something, THEY haven't said a word since.
3. IX is Nihility, not death. IX represents the meaninglessness of existence, that if everything's going to end anyways, why bother? You're probably referring to Acheron as IX's follower, but Acheron isn't. IX has three primary groups that follow THEM. Self Annihilators, Device IX, and Doctors of Chaos. Doctors of Chaos are easy to understand; their whole goal is to make IX happy. They basically want to make IX believe in something that's not nihility. It's also been told that they do the same for Self-Annihilators; if you've played simulated universe and have gotten those wax seals with a Path symbol on it that gives you a single blessing of that path, those were created by the Doctors of Chaos to cheer up Self-Annihilators.
As for Self-Annihilators, they're basically Emanators of Nihility. To become one, you just have to get caught in a shadow of IX and somehow survive, which basically curses you with THEIR powers. So some Self-Annihilators are actually against IX, like Acheron, and other Self-Annihilators are basically just depressed and fully believe in Nihility. We only know 1 by name, and two others who appear in occurrences in SU.
As for Device IX, all we know is that they're basically a super black market organization located somewhere inside of IX's reflections, and that Polka Kakamond, and MAYBE Doctor Primitive, have ties to it. That's literally it though, lol. So Nihility isn't about fair justice or death, it's literally about nothing and meaninglessness. As for how old IX is, like I said, THEIR birth and origins are a complete mystery.
18:11 In addition to asking Xianzhou for help for the reasons mentioned, let's not forget that the best way to face an Aeon is with another Aeon, and which Aeon would be more willing to help in this war? Lan! Lan was a soldier from Xianzhou, a likely former follower of Qlipoth, and who lived in a nation "blessed" by Long. Lan would be the only Aeon willing to have a hand in this, after all Propagation and Abundance are so similar
With General Hua's acceptance to participate in this plan, they could use the Divination ship's satellite to "point out" the location where they need Lan's help, just like FuXuan (and her teacher) did when they asked for help in the war they were going to lose (the same war that killed Yaoqing's former General and Yukong's "friend")
Things are lining up nicely to put this plan into practice.
19:14 I would like to mention. An aeon is only consistent of the concept they represent. If an aeon somehow does not follow their path they kinda... cease to exist..
So there's like a 6th option for the Godslayer Protocol, where Ruan Mei uses Yaoshi's blessings in the creation of some bug beast so unholy that the eldritch god of immortality gets mad and abandons their path just to kill it?
@frenchrevenge6406 possibly?? But it does mean that for example if the Nihility were to suddenly find meaning in life they are going agaisn't their path which is all they are made up of so they basically go poof- i do HIGHLY doubt this is what godslayer protocal will be, but it is something that could in theory happen to an aeon (not yet proven to HAVE happened, and again, not claiming it will happen here)
I was so happy seeing you uploaded a star rail theory again - another mindblowing one at that. Thank you!
I'd be curious to see if Ruan Mei tries to ascend to Aeonhood instead of Loong...
7:46 This is a point that bothered me so much. Propogation and Abundance seemed to be paths that are like right next to each other, yet Propogation supposedly spawned from Permanence which felt so different (Though it could be similar to Genshin's Transience-Eternity). Yeahhh, I guess Permanence is an older path, so if Propogation had to stray from one, it would be from Permanence rather than from Abundance, a path that I think didn't exist yet, but.... But still It bothered me a lot.
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Ruan Mei wants to learn more about life so she can be an Aeon herself. I doubt she would risk reviving Tayzzyronth without finding a way to absorb their path.
About your end note on the third option, I feel like there was something in game that said Aeons can't stray from their path once they ascend so I'm not sure if they can just descend from their position as Aeon since it could imply they're not following their path as truthfully anymore nad therefore "die"
This… this actually fits with what Luocha has stated about the thing within his coffin. For those who don’t remember Luocha has stated on multiple occasions that the being within his coffin is “an old acquaintance” that he once made a promise to “return home” . When it was first revealed that the coffin contained a piece of Tazzyronth, I was confused, but if Tazzyronth is born from part of Loong, then this promise of “returning home” could actually be a promise to return Loong to it’s original state. If this is true, then Luocha’s powers of abundance likely originally come from Loong, and thus him considering Yaoshi to be his enemy is because as long as she exists, then Loong will remain dead eternally.
Oh, and one last thing, I’ve been wondering for a while why Luocha Raksha Appcalypse of all people would make a deal to respect the dying wish of a random passerby, but if said passerby were Loong, the being who understands the true nature of Life and Death, things all fall into place. In Honkai Impact 3rd’s “Second Key” Manga it is shown that in every known universe that Su has seen (which is impressive considering that Su has canonically spent the last 5000 years doing the Dr. Strange “I saw every universe and we only have one chance of winning” thing) that Otto Apocalypse is obsessed with the death of his beloved Kallen Kaslana. And given that Otto and Luocha are lookalikes, that Luocha isn’t his real name, and that Otto is regularly referred to as “The Raksha” (a word that is more or less synonymous with Luocha in Chinese) by Hi3’s equivalents of both Sushang and Yanqing. I find it likely that Luocha’s true goal is to use the collision of the Aeons as leverage to revive his beloved.
I kinda had the same thought but what would happen to Lan then ? Because Lan and Yaoshi are like Life and Death philosophy, would Lan go after Long on his own ? Or will they collide too to "ascend" to a concept that could clash with Long ? Or just exist and his own path will be enough to be the other pair of " life & breeding "
Anyway I really love Long so i really hope we will get more mentions of it
One observation that I saw on your last video and I see repeated in this one. Paths are not CONCEPTS per se, they are (and very explicitly) IDEOLOGIES. Nihility is not nothingness itself, it is the belief that existence's meaningless makes your own actions irrelevant and not worth doing, while Elation is not laughter but the belief that existence's meaningless makes your own enjoyment the absolute priority. That ideology gives them authority over some concepts associated to their ideology, but those concepts are not the path itself.
That is why there can be paths with a similar outcome that do not overlap, because their methods (ideologies) are completely different. With Harmony and Order, they do overlap because Order is just one of the permutations that Harmony accepts.
It is also why Mara is a feature, not a bug, for the Abundance. The Abundance ideology is survival of the individual at any cost and becoming an unkillable monster is the best way of doing so.
This is what their statue has to say to us in simulated universe: "...All sentient beings... will have all their wishes fulfilled... torment and healing... are in a symbiotic relationship..." they fully believe the torment is necessary for the healing part as well, like you said, a feature not a bug
Youre just that captivating...
I dont even know or ever played hsr...
Would bringing back Permanence actually fix abundance? Or create a whole new issue? When you mentioned how Long could change Abundance blessings, It took me back to the end of Penacony. The ability to not truly die in a dream was a power of the Order. When Order was slapped down and Sunday defeated, the power did not convert to Harmony. It just disappeared entirely. People can die in the dreamscape now.
So there is a chance that Long coming back doesn’t fix Abundance’s flaws but gets rid of their long lives entirely, unless Long actively decides to bless the Xianzhou natives with his dragon style immortality. Becoming a short life ain’t bad, but consider the awful adjustment period since everyone is used to working with much larger time scales.
Another issue with Permanence returning is that a lot of important tech the fleets rely on are Abundance based or have important parts that need abundance materials. For example, the starskiffs seeds from the Ambrosal Arbor and the Jade Abaci from the Fallow Earth (the latter which is also used for a lot more things like construction, medicine, and also growing the starskiffs). If Yaoshi goes, what happens to these materials? Do they change? Do they lose effectiveness? Do they just die out and the Xianzhou have to scrabble for replacement materials with whatever amount of time they have? The minerals I think could last awhile, if their properties remain unchanged, but the tree would wither almost instantly.
I’m not even gonna touch what could happen to Lan and his blessings lol. This is something I had to get out because this video had me thinking.
I guess with the materials issue they should be somewhat prepared for it? Theyre making use of the plague marks for now because they canr afford to lose any advantage in this war with the Abundance, but their entire goal and the goal of the Aeon they worship is to see the end of the Abundance after all, theyve got to have some idea of how to handle whatever that will mean for their culture, right? Plus their leaders have just been brought in in the plan, theyve got the chance to prepare for the loss of the Abundance more than anyone else in the universe 😅
@@pipedream2556I’d agree with you except the whole thing with Ambrosal Arbor seals shows that there is a decent chance that they didn’t. They didn’t have any alternative to a high elder maintaining the seals and never came up with one the entirety of Dan Feng’s arrest to Dan Heng’s exile to his return with the Astral Express. The seals just got weaker and weaker with nobody to maintain them. Even after the assassination attempt during the Imbibitor Lunae story quest, there have been no proposed alternatives to what to do if something happened to Bailu or Dan Heng since they need to be together to work on the seals. At this point, anyone can make their way to the Arbor because it is canon the Dan Heng never put the water back (NPCs at the alchemy commission talk about it).
There is also the fact that they literally built their government around the hunt of the Abundance. Killing Yaoshi and their abominations is the foundation of the alliance of the races that live there and a large part of politics. The conditions of the Foxians joining was not only imprisoning but making the Borisin Hoolay suffer. The Vidyadhara’s standing in the Xianzhou is based upon the fact that the high elders suppress the plaguemarks. They don’t acknowledge the fact that their goal will most likely get rid of their Aeon in the process or, if Lan’s hunt is removing ALL traces of Abundance, they may one day also be in danger.
Unless something comes up in the next few Luofu visits, the focus is on the hunt itself and never what happens when there are no targets left to hunt down.
Really interesting video!
Since the lore path of Hunt is somewhat intertwined with the Abundance, I am also curious to see what the ramifications of the Godslayer Protocol to the path of Hunt!
Can't wait for the next patches!
Awesome theory video as per usual I LOVE TO EAT THESE UP I was doing bailu and Dan hengs story quest earlier today so the godslayer protocol and Long were already on my mind!
Oh this is such an interesting take! You've done it again
WAIT THE FCK UP if Long returns, HooH might empower IX or Nanook to keep things in balance, and isn't Acheron and a whole group of Self-Anihilators trying to find a way to stop the Nihility? So if the timing is right (or wrong, depends) HooH might have only Nanook to balance the reborned Long AND AS FAR AS WE NOW THE STELLARON HUNTERS ARE TRYING TO KILL NANOOK AAAASHEFJRFJYDVJDBI
Oh yeah. It's all coming together
You are the VaatVidya of HSR lore. Thank you for sharing your research with us, Ashikai. Many blessings 🙏🏼
Waiting for prepare to cry across hoyoverse
@@shanedoesyoutube8001 “never let you go” lmao
@@Gottaloveaxolotls ok I didn't comment just for you to say that
i hope that ruan mei's path is called genesis. it fits the combination of propagation and abundance, if she wanted to combine both paths to become said path's aeon.
The permanence is a new concept in this god slayer protocol theory. Compared to other theories I’ve heard.
Personally, I was thinking of making a sort of Ouroboros. Endless self propagation and self destruction. Which I guess in a way would achieve permanence. With abundance creating a new food supply while the propagation creating endless offspring that consumes the “mother”. If combine the two it kinda does look like Permanence if you squint hard enough with the next life which is a copy of the original consuming and replacing the previous life. But then I remembered Ouroboros was already a thing with the Voracity. And wondered why isn’t voracity being used as the Aeon Cocktail.
It's gotta be at least somewhat coincidental, but it's pretty interesting how DHIL, the former high elder of the Vidyadhara on the Luofu, is so well-suited to the path of Propagation in the Simulated Universe.
Slowly realising HSR lore is huge with many possibilities because it covers literally entire universe.
In march 7th companion quest fake Herta this this line : "because she had no past to speak of.she was an Aeon, and Aeons have no past... From the moment they ascend, the past and future of their existence becomes inundated by their path. March 7th's mistake was the loss of the authority of the Aeons."
this could be the third way to kill an Aeon
Holy shit what if march was an aeon that decended?
I always love the part where she just speculates freely. It’s so fun and interesting to listen to. I hope there is more to it hehe. Butttttt WHAT A VIDEOO
Just wanted to say thank you for your work, you put these together in an easy to follow way, and it’s fun hearing you piece the different parts together to form a solid theory
Hey so, I was checking out the equations in divergent universe and came across a 2* equation called "Viscorpus" which according to the hsr fandom wiki, are 'a eukaryotic, protozoan, colloidal protozoan subspecies with the ability to change into different shapes and reproduce.' And as Ashikai said at 12:54 , 'melt down into a goo and undergo a sort of reset in their life' when describing the vidyadhara, who are scions of Long, Aeon of Permanance. And lo and behold the "Viscorpus" equation requires Abundance and Propagation blessings. Coincidence? I have no idea. Ik the Viscorpus and the Vidyadhara are two different races but the descriptions sound similar, maybe I'm stretching things here but who knows.
Then in the simulated universe, when choosing the Abundance dice in swarm disaster, there just so happens to be a path resonance with Propagation called "mountain high". While in Gold and Gears, when choosing the Propagation path, there just so happens to be a resonance interplay with Abundance called 'Compounded Macrospore'. Honestly idk if these mean anything but it's just so interesting seeing the Abundance and Propagation together after watching this video lol.
Finally star rail lore, I really wish if you do also main quests and world quests videos, I play and don't focus on the story I like to watch on RUclips and you're one my favorite story tellers so please try to tell us about them as well
Kinda feel like the Propagation vs. the Abundance makes sense - Tayzzyronth can make limitless soldiers, and Yaoshi can make immortal soldiers. It's basically a unbreakable shield vs. unstoppable sword conundrum, with Yaoshi as the shield and Tay (i'm not typing that name multiple times) the sword. At the very least, the shard of the Propagation can likely fight Yaoshi to a standstill while some other Aeon or force (possibly Lan) tips the scales with additional firepower.
edit: okay no you're right, ruan mei is big sus.
Oh, your theory seems very legit! I think it has a potential to be 99% to be true. You are so incredible to connect the dots and come up with this theory.
Otto not trying to change reality challenge: impossible.
Gosh I’m so glad you do HSR videos, im so tired of seeing too many people making too off-point videos about HSR lore. But you really are incredible, thank you Ashikai for working so hard for us all
Okey, i have been obsessing over this SPECIFICK TOPIC. (made a whole thread about it too) Thank you very much. And i think the Xianzhou wont be too happy to oblige in this help
Yes the theoretical death of Yaoshi is their goal but the way Luocha and Jingliu made themself THE NUMBER ONE ENEMY similar way to what Stellaron hunters did, just to want see the leader /leaders aka Marshal Hua/ Fu xuan and Jing Yuan is playing with a two edged sword.
and if Long is indeed still around, they just lost their ability to reascend , if Ruan Mei, Jingliu and Luocha were to be succesfull, we might have two eons on one path.
Also Luocha in his lc is seen having to heal the remnants who look very much alive and eeger to stab Luocha in the heart are likely ekpt alive by him. I wonder if there could be other people keeping those remnants alive for him. Since he would have to been seperated from the coffin and maybe the coffin is STILL on the Loufu while he is on the Xuling with Jingliu. Maybe someone from the Alchemy Commision? Luocha's companion quest could be not a just a story march just read but a forshadowing from the devs that there are much more people helping aid in the project, or maybe something similar to what Nahida did with Wanderer's memory. Turning into a story book for poeple in the know to read but also to conseal their actions as just writting.
anyway i cant wait for more stuff with the god slayer protocol and especially rn The Zhuming and it likely loosing their General just like Loufu (Huaiyan wishes to retire finnaly and Jing Yuan has been forshadowed to loose his mind and turn into a mara struck at any moment now)
Hmmm... I wonder if these paths Permanence, Propagation and Abundance were truly once something very basic like "Life" or something.
It would be so funny if all HSR paths are shards from Logos, Void, Time, Life and Death.
The day Ruan Mei can craft Tazzyronth body would be the day she ascended to Aeonhood
I thought as well that the plan was to merge the two paths into one and have it deal with the negative of each path. One that births and consumes at an alarming rate and the other that multiples and persists. In the end, putting limitations on the new path or ending the old.
Ashikai your content is stellar please keep up the quality work
Another detail not addressed here is that we have an example of Permanence failing at the immortal thing with the Dan Feng sin (Dan Heng and Bailu power split and incorrect rebirth). Why did it fail specifically? The ritual of the _Transmutation Arcanum_ were not correctly applied (the preceptors messing around and finding out). Arcanum meaning mystery or secret and Transmutation being self-explanatory. However, WHO is the Will of Transmutation, one of the oldest Aeons and connected to Leviathans? That's right: Qlipoth the preservation. Preservation, a path wich also could be said to clash with Permanence.
Both paths casually having esotheric Transmutation powers? How curious.
Not only that but Tayzzy split from Permanence long after Long (heh) supposedly died. It's interesting to see Vidyadhara have their powers of manipulation (TRANSMUTATION) become weaker after some time too, to the point only themselves and a few of them control it, which leads me to believe these events are related. Not only that but Preservation was the one to "defeat" Propagation, and by Ena's own words, it was his RESPONSIBILITY. The deal they made also involved Oroboros the Voracity which also went missing after the Swarm Disaster and who is a LEVIATHAN...
If it turns out the power of Transmutation is related to Leviathans I would not be surprised at all.
I get so happy every time you post a Hsr video!
I think the third way of killing an aeon is either making it´s Path obsolete: Like if Yaoshi is really "killed", Lan´s Path of the Hunt is made obsolete thus ceases to exist.
OR: Making an Aeon NOT believing in its own Path anymore. Now this is probably even more complicated, but is essentially what (by my understanding) the Doctors of Chaos try to achieve with IX: If they can give IX some purpose, the Path of Nihility ceases to exist aswell.
In both cases, the Aeon themselves loses its meaning or purpose and the Path thus ceases to exist.
You cooked with this theory, this was a very entertaining video
homa symbol is living rent free in ashikai's brain
0:50 NAHH UR RIGHT ITS THE HOMA SHAPE, BRO-
Love your content.
Its very "red thread on corkboard" - esque 😂
Its fun to listen to you make connections in ways I wouldnt think of.
Ohh this is makes a lot of sense now. I focus a good bit on the SU stuff since it's fun, but I always had missing pieces to the stories.
One of my friends loves your videos and shared them with me😊❤
Finally an HSR video! Always appreciate your coverage of the lore and story. Nice video btw.
The big question I have in Luocha’s plan is what happens to Lan if it works? Once their hunt is over and Yaoshi is gone, do they persist? Do the blessings they’ve gifted to the Xianzhou persist? Does their arrow aim somewhere else now? Who knows
i mean theres also a way to wipe out the path of abundance which id argue is more difficult that actually fighting the aeon itself... like erasing the concept of abundance is something only hooh can probably do and then again that would probably lead to it manifesting in a different form.
either way if they do really converge i think there is no guarantee that it would even be the permanence. maybe it would make a whole NEW path like... [cultivation] if the plan works wrong. but the pieces do fit.
Whoo HSR theory! This was super interesting. Guess I should really go back and play the Luocha Jingliu quest so I know what the heck is going on lol
The Broader Concept of Abudance and Propagation is Origin. Goddes of Origin; Mother of All;
Brood Hive of Filth; Sovereign of the Real World.
@@tenkainijna8418 Interesting. 🧐
We dont have Origin as a path. it's only part of the name of a sword from Izumo
Permanence is the closest in HSR
In the different ways for a Herrscher in HI3rd, maybe, but not is HSR
@@Powerbomb323 Trust in Mother Goddess of Depravity. She can make everything pregnant.
@@Powerbomb323 not permanence. canonically "origin" is assigned to the Finality path (knowns as both end and begining.) and sometimes Remembrance since as memories of the past, it functions as the origin of things. Also, life forms existed before Long ascended, namely the leviathans (ouroboros is one and perhaps long is theorized to be one too) and the beings born from their fossils.
this theory actually seems perfect-and im so glad u’ve gotten back into hsr i missed ur theories :)
one thing tho-abt the third way, im pretty sure its mentioned that if an aeon attempts to descend back down to an immortal/mortal they die, tho i could be wrong, and obv ruan mei may be trying to change that-maybe she could even convince tazzy to quit aeonhood by using leviathan remains to sort of restore their home planet/ppl or smthn.
To be fair if we pretend for a moment that Aeon's are the big herrschers, then it would track with MHY repeating events in different ways and cycles that they will in fact make a big harpoon out of Tayzzyronth and stab the fuck out of Yaoshi with it. Ofc it might cause the fusion and stuff, and follow any of the 3 'ways' to kill an aeon but i do think somebody's getting stabbed with a bug leg.
Sort of how people of Izumo did as well. Also on lesser scale.
Sort of how Scaramouche used Archon's gnosis to become one.
Sort of how probably Tsaritsa will use fragments of a Descender to fuck over another one too.
hell yeah i love your videos Ashikai!
HOLY SHIT I LOVE THIS THEORY
Amazing video and theory as always I am always impressed with the quality of every aspect of these videos. I enjoy them so much.
This also makes me wonder maybe Akavili descended from their aeon hood and is a nameless somewhere out there trailblazing bc that is what their path is about
You know, I really like this theory, thanks Ashikai, you made me interested in hsr lore even more once again.
Forgive me if this was already mentioned in the video or in another comment, but you'll be very interested in the blurb for the light cone "On the Fall of an Aeon".
Destruction will take them both.
In HSR it states that the aeons are slaves to their path so idk how loucha and gang could get tazzy to kill abundance for them if that was what they were planning. Also, I was thinking maybe raun mei is trying to become the aeon of life or creation in some way so she can fuse with abundance to kill yaoshi.
Well in loucha lightcone we can SEE him talking to they,and they stop their attacks on him,and tazzyroth is one of the aeons that are not Really smart
Keep up the good work 👏
Very good video, I think it is very accurate, thank you for helping me clarify my thoughts
Propagation is the replication of the self as an external body
Abundance is the maintenance of the single body... potentially by swapping parts, leading to ship-of-theseus?
If we interpret it this way, then the vidyadhara combine both, using replication to create a new body and then swapping the body as an extension of swapping the component, thereby avoiding "compatibility errors" so to speak.
I love this 😭 Lan is my favorite aeon, I was so disappointed he was not really important in both of Laofu story quests. I would love to see him playing some role in the plot, not only existing as a concept.
this is really interesting! when i saw that welt and himeko were helping ruan mei get the leviathan remains, i immediately thought of ouroboros lol
i thought it was said somewhere that long disappeared because they found the answer/solution to the question/desire that cased them to ascend to aeonhood, which could explain why/how long knew all of life
i just have to say that i'm surprised you didn't know the aeons had physical forms. the cornerstones are fragments of qliphoth the preservation
Very cool video! Based on your final theory, maybe Dan Heng will become the vessel for reviving Lon. Another theory would be Ruan Mei herself becoming the new combined Aeon, maybe the Aeon of Life.
4:25 looking back at this, it seems like these aren’t 3 ways but rather 3 steps
this makes so much sense in my mind that it honestly feels like a spoiler
Yeay a new video about HSR, i hope we can get more video about HSR. It'll be good if you can talk about the Unknown domain in HSR
MORE HSR VIDEOS PLEEEEASE!!! I can’t find many HSR lore RUclipsrs and you do it so well 😭🙏🏻
Not the preservation smashing propagation lmao
Since I no longer play genshin, I haven't watched one of your videos in a long time, I have missed them!!
It is not a true Ashikai video, unless she has reassess her whole world view
We do have the Doctors of Chaos who're trying to make IX not think the world is Meaningless. So it could be possible that if they succeed IX will lose their Aeonhood
The MC will be blessed by all paths, ascend to become an Aeon.
>Yaoshi disappear
*sad Lan noises*
WE'VE BEEN WAITING ASHIII
It makes sense, very good theory! Also we would love more star rail content if you are able to
The hsr peak keeps getting higher 🤑🤑🤑
If all this happens to be true, I am incredibly curious what happens to the Hunt path, does Lan just start trying to kill Lang now? Does he not because it's not the same? If he doesn't, what does he do now, since his hunt is over? If he does give chase I guess they can just keep it ongoing as it currently is in the game
Remember all Aeon will meet their end as that what Termius purpose is
Jumpscare of info in 15 seconds lmao
this theory is incredible
Ashikai HSR theory!! LETS GOOOO
I actually had the Theory that Long underwent an hatching Rebirth like the other Vidiyadara and became the first High Elder(after having Split off into multiple Part of itself to create them)