Can This Save Your Floating Bridge? - The Tremolo Switch!
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- Опубликовано: 6 сен 2021
- Do you avoid floating trem systems due to their complexity and tuning anxiety? Today I check out the tremolo switch!
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Floating bridges can definitely be a little intimidating! The tremolo switch is a simple and cool solution 🎸👍
Enjoy :)
Trems and Floyd’s have stopped me from buying a lot of guitars. 👍🏼 thanks
I am absolutely petrified Darrel.
I don't know how long this device has been out, but I have been a Rick Springfield fan for years and witnessed him break string's during heavy solo's and he kept it sounding great while doing Jimi Hendrix type song's he has to have one. Cool device.
Hey Darrell, check out the Tremory from Germany.. works perfectly.
Ola England did a demo/review on it and I bought one and it’s perfect for 99% of all trem applications.
Great work as always man👍🎸
I had a shop just block it (piece of wood to fit) when I had one of my guitars in for some work. I barely use trem so the floyd is a waste on me.
It’s like bringing the Jazzmaster/Jaguar trem lock to a Strat. Very neat!
Man, I love you for making these videos. I would NEVER have discovered all these neat guitar gadgets without your channel.
A $4 barrel lock for a door/gate works the same way. Coat the knobs in flex seal to alleviate noise.
This tiny piece shouldn’t cost anywhere near $100. I solved mine with a piece of scrap wood. Granted I can’t switch it on or off but I wont anyway because my Ibanez won’t stay in tune otherwise.
Thanks for all you do. The reviews and tips make guitaring much more fun and easier.
That is a neat little gadget! Thanks for sharing Darrell!
$95 for such a small and simple part seems kinda insane.
It would be worth it if they made it really heavy and complicated
@@jdl2180 😂😂
@@jdl2180 The cost would at least make a little more sense. You do understand manufacturing costs right?
make 100k of them and the price will fall - small series= high price
@@dboone7670 - Exactly, and not just manufacturing overhead, but shipping, marketing, lots of incidental expenses to provide something that has a low intrinsic worth in small volume but can’t be otherwise provided…
Another great video. Thanks Darrell.
Thanks for showing us such a great invention!
Congrats on the channel, always good advice
Pretty neat tool! It's like the best of both world between a tremelno and an arming adjuster. I use arming adjusters a lot for situations with an D tuna, but you lose all fluttering with them. Tremolno is pretty nice too, but I've had issues with the thumb screws getting lose over time and even falling out unexpectedly.
I definitely want some of these!
That's helpful thanks for sharing it Darrell
That’s a great tool. Thanks for sharing
excited to try..🎸🤘
Trevor Wilkinson solved the "scary trem" problem back in the 80's when he invented the VS 100-C convertible trem system. When you're not using it, it's a stoptail bridge; the moment you swing the arm forward, it converts to a floating trem, and switches back once you let it go again.
Unfortunately, Gibson sued Wilkinson claiming that the VS 100-C violated the Steinberger JamTrem patent (which it didn't; they work in completely different ways) and somehow won. After that, the Wilkinson convertible became scarcer than hens teeth! It's too bad, too, because it really works, and will even let you finish a song if you break a string.
"Gibson: Play Authentic... Destroying Customer Goodwill One Customer At A Time Since 1974"
@@averageguitarist3631 Yup, sounds about right 🤣
I literally laughed out loud when you disengaged the lock when the string was broken. I was not ready for how bad it would be!
Always learn new stuff! Great Video
Thanks Marlon!
@@DarrellBraunGuitar Spread the word of a stabilizer and d tuna/ pitch shifter for floyd rose guitars, they solve all the flaws.
Well, it's kind of pricey but it does offer a relatively simple solution to what can be a frustrating problem. I'll give it a thumbs up.
@GOD&GUNS - On the SHOP tab of their website... 80 Euros.
just use a thin piece of wood
@@I-HAVE-A-BOMB YES. Some piece of wood, a stack of pennies glued together, whatever you can find will do the job.
I guess selling a useless product is better than educating people on floating bridges
@@escalator9734 the point is that you can switch in seconds.
I've got an LP and I'm just looking for a decent Tele, but I'll keep this thing in mind when I dare to do my first partscaster! Thanks, Darrell!
I mean you don’t have to make a partscaster with a trem!
@@peik5569 I know, but in case I had an LP and a Tele I imagine I'd like to try something with a trem for a change then.
I'm an LP guy and recently built a Tele. Swamp ash body, quilted maple top, and Warmoth neck. Pretty cool guitar, but It doesn't work for the music I play. I guess I don't like the sound of fender single coils with gain. I like when others play them though.
@@qua7771 Maybe look into some Hot Rails? They'll turn that Tele into a monster!
@@Kaplunco I thought about something like that, but didn't want to stray to far from the original design, because I have other guitars that are like that. The original Tele sound has its place. I just don't play Stones, etc... that often, if that makes since.
That would be an absolute great stopper especially for changing strings (if you like it floating after the change) and you kept the back cover off.
I use the Tremolo Stopper by FU-Tone as it's easy to install and not expensive. Works great and have it on 3 of my guitars. I get the one with the nylon screw. Just another option for you guys.
Nice to see company's comming up with more reliable, robust and quality trem stabilization systems.
In my defence, I'm a lefty and most of budget range lefty guitars are either equipped with cheap floyd ross licenced 2 point floaters or wilkinson vintage knockoffs with plethora of intonation and stability issues.
My very first guitar was a jackson js32 dinky with a chewed up floyd pivot point. It was the only guitar I could find at the moment and was kinda brand new. Anyways, interacting with that guitar's floyd ross bridge scarred me for life. Even now, whenever I see a premium quality guitar equipped with a decent or high end floating bridge system, I can't help having qualms and intimidation, thanks to my past experiences.
A nice tip for changing strings on floating trems: take the back plate covering the trem springs and slide it under the trem, locking it in place. Now you can take all your strings out and do what you gotta do.
I use a stabilizer unit, even when a string breaks it still keeps the bridge in tune. Double-locking trem helps keep my guitars in-tune in the studio as well.
I use the Allparts Tremol-No. 3 settings free floating, only lower pitch, and bridge locked.
Lock the bridge and changing strings a breeze. I now control my floyd rose.
I use a Hipshot Tremsetter. I tighten all the way. Trem still floats, pulls up but there is more tension. The tone is better! Chords ring and stay in tune and you can do multi bends and tuning is stable. You do not have to switch on and off.
interesting concept
Now that's a fancy door locker
Yeah, the ZPS2 thingy on the Ibanez is basically the same thing, though. Notice the metal bar at the bottom of the system. You could adjust your Edge Zero2 in a way that the trem block will rest on this metal bar and this functions as the backstop from then on. Pretty neat system. ;)
That system is a marvel of engineering; but don't know the difference between ZPS2, ZPS3 and ZPS3Fe
Interesting little Gadget there Daryl seems to do a fairly good job. If you're into using that particular Bridge Style.
Love the blue moon burst finish. I wish they made a S-Series in that color.
I have a Jackson S type with a Floyd. A few years back I installed a Hipshot tremsetter. Works well for me. That new device is kinda cool.
What would really be cool is if Floyd Rose could come up with their own system to keep them in tune due to string breaks 🤔
Awesome video as always 👍
Or if evertune makes a floating bridge
Why not get a regular stabilizer like the blackbox
Now THIS GUITAR is a superstrat! 24 frets, humbuckers, and a LOCKING VIBRATO, are all key in turning an s-type guitar into a true superstrat!!
Little tip for changing all strings at a time, put a rubber eraser under the bridge to block it from falling inside the cavity
My Yamaha RGX has one of these built into the trem itself. It has a thumbwheel to adjust the "ride height". Drop D is a matter of dialing in no pull back it, opening the locking nut, dropping the string, and relocking.
Cool update to the tremsetter I had back in the early 90's on a strat ultra... Didn't much care for it so I removed it after about a year and never looked back. This might be a better version though....
I've been looking for a solution for this for a long time. so far the best I've seen was the "Tremolno", but this is cool too... thanks for showing it! if you have more solutions for this, please show us cos im looking for something to have it stop dive as well
Peavey HP Specials came with this kind of solution. Wonderful guitars. Shame they were discontinued.
Good demo, Darrell. I have a couple guitars with trems, and a couple with stop tails that don't move. Truthfully, regardless of type, I don't use a trem when playing, so don't have a lot of interest in this. I do like the simple, straightforward analog tech involved - despite being called a "switch," there's no electronics / batteries / electrical switches, so it's pretty simple, once you get the adjustments spot-on.
I just got my first floating bridge guitar a week ago (G&L Comanche Tribute). Since it's an S-style guitar, I thought I would try out E flat tuning. I'm just now realizing why it took forever, and then also forever to go back ;-)
This is why I love my deluxe plus Strat with a Fender/ Floyd Rose. I put in a Hipshot Tremsetter 25 yrs ago, set the bridge to float, and set the intonation. Never touched it since. Can make the strings so out of it and then let it go. Still in tune. Can you the crappest strings, they stay in tune. I use Fender 9's now. Only bad thing about this guitar is the color BUTT UGLY YELLOW. But after 25 yrs of relicing the color is fading kinda cool looking. Trem still works perfectly, guitar works perfectly.
Hey Darrell!
Cool blocking system, but do you think this would work with a vergatrem, too?
I have a feeling that the block is too thin...
Great video!
Fender have a Trem lock button on the Jaguar and jazzmaster Trems. Once set up correctly it does exactly the same think quite effectively as well.
That's a sweet fricken guitar
Nice new titles
Darrell, video idea: tips on being a floating bridge for Halloween!
I had to laugh at that "what if you broke the D string?" portion. I've been playing almost 40 years and I've only ever broken the high E (and less than five times) so I've got to wonder what kind of abuse people are inflicting on their guitars? Should we report these people to Instrument Control? ;-) All kidding aside, I've always hated those very issues with floating trems, and having over 20 guitars, I might actually have to give this a try on one of them and see if it helps out. Another great post, Darrell. Cheers.
i break the low E all the time because i play metal like a focking gorilla 🤣🤣🤣
@@oierick644 Same... Same...
😂😂😂👍
I don’t know what I’m doing, but I almost exclusively break the D string 😅
I once broke a g-string but there was no guitar involved
big fan from India!!
I cant believe these aren't in production no more. Im trying to find something like this for my Headless Kiesel tremolo.
00:59 - that guitar needs a vacuum cleaner more than a tremolo switch 😂
I hope you can do a video on budget amps :3
You know, this actually isn't a bad idea. I have a floating Wilkinson bridge and this could be a good addition. I bought the Nut Buster gimmick you had on the show and was less than impressed so hopefully this product turns out well. I might just have to get in on the Kickstarter.
Too expensive, but for someone requiring this, it's one of the best solutions I've seen so far.
I have to retune strings on a fixed, decked, or blocked bridge even for Drop D. I think it's the neck stretching with the lower tension.
Only have one Floyd guitar. The strat is decked, the one PRS blocked so it's dive only. The other PRS is recording only. The rest is fixed bridges.
Haven't broken a string in 20 years. Never broke a D string. maybe a G or B. Mostly E back then from not changing strings and playing them way too long...
Spread the word of a stabilizer and d tuna/ pitch shifter for floyd rose guitars, they solve all the flaws.
There are a view stoppers out there that sort of half work and are gimmicks. This for the first time seems like a clever device.
I think this is neat compared to the black box, because it's smaller but the same, it doesn't let you float when activated. What about the various trem stabilizers that just hook into the spring claw and block? I would love a review on those.
Always hated mine on my 1990 Gibson M3 STD. It never stayed in tune and the locking nuts threaded. Ughhhhh.
I'm finally blocking it after 31 years, had enough; the guitar itself still sounds great and plays effortlessly.
I love floating bridges because 1. They're awesome 2. They stay in tune really well. And 3. Only the strongest can handle them since they have require great patience when setting up. Seriously, I see the only reason why people hate floating bridges is because they don't how to set it up properly and they piss their pants out of frustration.
Completely agree!!! I have two Floyd guitars and they’re THE BEST!
Mario, there are lots of reasons you clearly can't see because that massive head of yours is in the way.... Guitar players just starting out, maybe for one? Jeez, the hubris on you.
Floyd roses are NOT hard to setup, once you know how to do it. Block the trem, restring and tuneup, remove the block, tweak claw screws if needed. Done. Before I learned this I too suffered with floyd roses. Suffering with a floyd rose does not make you man, it just makes you an uninformed noobie Floyd Rose user - like most guitar players out there. The easy way to setup a floyd rose is surprisingly uncommon knowledge.
nah cheap trem systems suck ass.
Proud he is Canadian! 🇨🇦
Would be interesting to see this happen on a floating system with string locks. Snap a string, then push the stop bar out “back into tune”, play and then change the string, and see where you’re at tuning wise when removing the bar. Kind of like a lifeline for floating trems in live situation.
Would love to see a video of your thoughts on the Tremmory please. No drilling and super simple installation.
it'll be fair to mention that there are a couple of alternative systems on the market. I've been using the Rockinger Black Box Tremolo Stabilizer for years, because it is very cheap. All-pats offer a more complex version for 3 times the price. Never-the-less, the fzg solutions appears to be very stable and consistent. And the real value-add to the exististing systems is a consistent quick change option, which is not as elegant with the existing solutions. Well done and very promising. Definitely worth a glance
looks like a barrel bolt for 1/16th the price would do the trick. Good to know this works though! Gives great ideas for DIY projects
Hi Darrell, in your video on the "Fatal Flaw of Floating Trems" you noted the issue where high bends on the G string result in it going flat until the bar is used again. Does this still occur when this device is active, or because it's no longer 'floating' does it not impact it? Thanks!
Interesting!
I have mine set up so I can drop the low E to D with the fine adjustment knob. There is enough play in there if you tune it standard with it tightened nearly all the way down.
I had a Laguna with a lever on the bridge that was for doing the same thing, but it wasn't perfect. It dropped the string but still required some tuning adjustment after, despite being advertised as drop tuning on the fly.
I really liked that guitar, but the Laguna version of the Floyd Rose was kinda crap. The handle was always really loose cus it just snapped in rather than screwing down.
Thank you, Darrell, for reminding me why I stay away from Floyd Rose trem's like the plague!
I just jammed a piece of wood in mine, worked good enough.
Would love to see reviews and your thoughts on other trem systems out there... Super Vee, Trem King, Stienberger... Do they avoid some of the problems of a Floyd type system and do they introduce new problems, and most importantly, how well do they sound and play.
I was going to buy that guitar next year
THe Kahler XTrem comes with that stock! Note: The Kahler system does the same locking function but it looks different. It's a simple built in set screw which I find more elegant in it's simplicity! Note the Kahler X Trem also comes with brass roller bearings for each individual string-far superior to any other trem system! - Peter age 71
@Darrell - About 6 months ago, I came up with my own solution to be able to quickly switch from a floating Trem to a Decked one. I made a wedge, the length of my Strat bridge, that I could slip under the back side of the bridge from the top of the guitar. The trick was coming up with an easy way to hold the wedge in place. I made a "backstop" and a "bottom-stop" that are held to the top with double -sided tape. All the pieces are made of triple-ply pickguard material. I can slip the wedge in and out of place in about 3 seconds.
It has all the benefits of decking the bridge when in place, and floating the bridge when the wedge is removed. Changing strings is almost fun, because once a string is turned up, it doesn't change pitch as the other strings are tuned. Altered tunings are much more manageable, and breaking a string is not catastrophic. I put a couple of thin pieces of metal towards the edge of the wedge, and a couple of small Neodymium magnets on my tuning machines so I can stick the wedge to them when not in use. As you mentioned, these ways of decking the bridge is a bit finicky, and it takes some time to set things up just right, but I think it's worth it.
You get two different sounding guitars by having an easy way to "quick deck" the bridge. I suggest you demonstrate the difference in tone you get on a Strat. Without the bridge decked, my modded Strat sounds pretty much like a typical Strat. But, when the wedge is in place, it sounds a lot more like a PRS. Pretty neat trick for something that cost me nothing more than a bit of ingenuity.
FYI - I tried some different materials for the wedge, metal, wood, bone, etc. but strangely, the pickguard material sounded best. By the way, a popsicle stick has just about the right dimensions to do a quick test, and you can hold it place with some Painters Tape to see if it's something you might want to pursue. ONE CAUTION - BE CAREFUL REMOVING THE PAINTERS TAPE, AS YOU DON'T WANT TO ACCIDENTALLY REMOVE SOME FINISH OR PAINT FROM THE TOP OF YOUR GUITAR. Thanks
Ugh I always see people talking about blocking the trem, you lose flutter ability. Look up what a stabilizer is, it'll let you flutter and not go out of tune when a string breaks. As for quick tuning changes, get a d tuna or a pitch shifter, it's much faster than going to drop d even on a standard guitar
@@jamesmoses4066 to much work. I just want to play. I am going to make a guitar, that every guitarist will love. A guitar the will last forever. Low maintenance, beautiful sound and looks. people will love. It will Stay in tune, no hummy, easy to change strings. A guitar, like an old Toyota, all you do is turn the key. And play...if people do not want it, that will be ok. I will enjoy it... 🎸👍
The version of the stab i'm installing on my guitars has a reverse spring instead of a switch. The bridge lies on the stab permanently and the spring sustain the tune. With the wammie bar you can pull the bridge and band up pushing the stab backward. The only cons is that the system becomes a little bit harder to play. Try it out, you will be surprised. Just few euros on aliexpress. Let me know.
Ps the section of the cavity for the back screw is too thiny to hold the tension. Normally needs a little reinforce on the wood at the pickups side.
Thumbs up for just Darrell's presentation, not for the product.
I didn't know that floating bridges would be a nightmare like that.
I like your videos, you're doing a great job.
The gadget you brought today may be useful but there is TREMMORY, works better.
Have a nice one.
Darrell, you should get a Kahler-d guitar to review, those bridges are cool!
Kahlers are very much underrated. Never had a problem with any Kahler fitted guitar I've owned, and in my opinion the design is so much simpler, therefore less parts to worry about. And string changes are far easier. Every guitar I've bought that has a FR, I've turfed it and fitted a Kahler. You just need to install the adaptor plate, too easy. They're smoother in use, too.
Michael Angelo batio did a live stream in 20 or 21 and changed my mind about Floyd's. Don't put the fine tuners in the middle; make them completely loose, tune slightly flat, lock up and micro tune 🤘🤘
You took advice from a guy who doesnt even know which handed he is?
@@Ottophil you're right, I never thought about it like that!
Both of you have bad grammar. It's hard for me to understand what you guys are talking about. Anywho, Spread the word of a stabilizer and d tuna/ pitch shifter for floyd rose guitars, they solve all the flaws.
Hey Darrell, I have a couple of question. Have you heard of Big Lou Wide Nut Guitars? If so, would you consider reviewing them?
I have a tremol-no in my floyd dean and its the best when it comes to changing strings
So.. when you have it engaged to dive only, and you press down on the trem bar and let go of it, does it make a noise when it comes back and hits the stop? Like metal on metal impact?
I believe Ibanez has a similar system called ZPS for some of their Edge-trem equipped guitars, one example is the RG350DXZ
Yes. I made this same point. In fact In Europe the guitar he is holding up at the start Is called the RG370AHMZ BMT and it comes with the ZPS
The biggest issue with a system like this is that you have to flip your guitar over and switch it on/off, with no backplate on the spring cavity. In mid-song, that's not usually a move you can pull off. If you choose float or stoptail for each song, it would do the trick.
The Tremol-no is similar, but a fussy, rattling POS that will frustrate you. This one looks more solid.
Steinberger Transtrems had the perfect method, just swing your trem up up to float, drop it down to lock. No switching, just a wedge that locked into the bridge plate when the bar dropped down, Unfortunately, Steinberger used a softer metal that wore out eventually, and the company is not around to offer replacement parts. Wilkinson offered the VS-100C convertible trem, which locked a pin into a hole in the metal backplate; it worked, but the trem arm raised up higher above the strings, which was not ideal for trem use.
Early Parker Flys had a lever on the backplate that would slide a stop into place for similar function as this device, but they didn't continue offering it.
Schaller made a Tremstop device that caught the trem arm in a little clip, but required mounting a large plastic knob device on the face of your guitar.
Lots of attempts to address this issue, but they have all had a failing or a compromise.
Oh Steinberger, come back and save us with your trem-arm locking genius! Use hardened metal this time!
Yamaha RGX RM Pro had a thumbwheel on the top of the bridge near the low E string. It controlled the depth of a plunger which rested against the body inside the cavity
I have a guitar with FR. I accept it for what it is. I don't change tuning or string gauge. I just block my trem when I want to clean my fretboard. I'd rather buy another guitar with fixed bridge than drilling two more holes on my guitar. Besides, more guitar is always nice ;)
Well, I faced the same issues on a floating bridge guitar. I had a cheaper, non-tampering solution though.
Find out a piece of Eraser which fits perfectly in the cavity under the bridge, and you’re good to go. You can still do the dive-ins as well. 😃
NO STOP BLOCKING THE BRIDGE, USE A STABILIZER AND DTUNA/PITCH SHIFTER
@@jamesmoses4066 Thank you..
My first guitar at 12 years old was a Kramer w/ a Floyd Rose II tremolo. It looked really cool, but keeping the intonation/action/etc. right was a nightmare.
Gibson patent-trolled the best solution to this back in the 90's. Back then the Wilkinson Strat improvement was the V100, but for a hot minute they had a model called the V100C - C for Convertible. When you grabbed the bar (twisted it up into playing position) you had a trem, and when you let go, gravity dropped the bar and the bridge locked - full hardtail bridge. Gibson owned Steinberger, and one particularly awful bridge system that Steingerger made had a slider-switch on it that would lock the bridge. Really, it wasn't the same thing at all, but I guess Wilkinson decided the cost of fighting the Big G and it's million dollar lawyers was too much, and pulled the system off the shelves.
By the way, if you're willing to fiddle around the underside of the instrument, there has already been a device out for a few years called the Tremol-No, which has two screws, allowing switching between full trem, blocked, and hardtail.
Also, both of these don't (didn't) require drilling extra holes into your guitar.
Kind of addresses a problem I never have . My Jackson is only guitar with a Floyd rose and I set it up half step down and that's where it stays. Even then I don't really go wild I just Palm it . I don't even use the stick since I'm not a dive bomber . On my Spectrum Strat I kind of use same set up but when I use drop D I just tune strings up from half step down to E standard .
I can see how this could be useful to regular gig players and professional stage members but for rest it's kind of a working novelty .
How hard is it to engage the plunger after the string has broken? Seems like you'd have to push on the block a little to get it engaged?
A cheap alternative is perhaps install a small piece of wood behind the block when you change tunings and replacing a broken string. Just a thought. Apparently Eric Clapton does have a piece of wood behind the block as he doesn't operate the trem.
Nice little attachment I’d say. I have 3 Ibanez’s and I’ve learned to setup and maintain them over the years. They’re not hard once you get familiar with your instrument
Nice video as always!
I never really liked whammies.....
Hard tails.
Nothing wrong with them, just not my thing
I got my first trem equipped guitar in december and learned how to get everything set up pretty quickly. Actually, shout out to Darrell for the strat trem interval video (amongst his various other contributions). That video really helped me get my trem exactly where I wanted it.
thanks
Well this explains my tuning problems. Metal on a floating bridge strat...
Hey can I put looking nut to guitar with no tremolo bridge?? Just to secure the strings, and for display reasons
You should try the Tremmory - I'd like to see your opinion on that one!
With a device like this installed, can you remove the string lock up by the knot? I’m really wavering about getting a Floyd Rose but the disadvantages are so many. I’m really curious if you can remove that string lock
Sounds like a solution to a problem I never had; Never broke a string playing live on either of my FR guitars and changing strings just requires a small wooden wedge/bit of cardboard under the trem to stop it flipping back.
You can also buy a barrel bolt from home depot for $5. I like idea but this already exists at the fraction of the price with a fool proof design.
Is there anything like that device that you can use for the ibanez got the exact model and am wanting to block it temporarily
I'm wonder about investing in one of those add-on tremolos that Guitarfetish sells. Putting one on a Telecaster, for instance.
(Yay, Blue Jays!)
I wonder how compatible this would be on an older 6 screw Fender trem. Have you reviewed the Mag-Lock setup?