@@Brian-jv8iy wrong. Toyota is a lot more reliable than porsche by far and continues even til today. The only reason why ppl think Porsche is "reliable" is because they don't daily drive em and they keep mileage low so they last for years. Toyotas are daily driven and last decades in general.
I think it’s a really good looking car! And for 30k it’s pretty hard to beat in terms of handling and fun while not being the run of the mill V6 pony car. Would be a fun track toy to mess around in. Great video as usual Matt!
Thank you for your excitement and enthusiasm when reviewing these cars for us, Matt. That’s what makes you one of the best car journalist in my opinion. Keep up the great work!
Great review! I like how they made the front a little less "angry" and busy than before. We already have too many angry-looking cars out there! Looking forward to seeing these out on the roads.
Love this new GR86/BRZ. The changes have brought it more close to perfect than ever before. As the father of 3, with 2 close to leaving on their own, I am looking forward to another Sporty/Sports Coupe, especially with a manual.
@@ian2372 I confirm this in the Latin American market. Since COVID, in my country (Chile) we had some inflation due to a certain ammount of percentage that has been allowed to take from retirement savings...so the used car market prices has been going up wildly even with chinese cars lol
How tall are you? I am hesitant about miata, because at 5'11" I feel it's too small for daily (so I've been waiting for GR86 and Nissan Z, but would prefer convertible). Thoughts?
@@MattMaranMotoring I doubt I would replace my ND2 with one of these but that little bit of extra practicality is enticing. The 86 looks better than the BRZ imo
Great review as always Matt. I especially loved the off camera summary at the end. The only thing that still makes me want an ND2 more at this point is the convertible experience.
Matt, great car review. I've driven Hondas for the past 30 years. But I also have a real appreciation for a lighter weight sporty car with manual tranny whoever makes it. Bravo Toyota/Subaru!!! This sound like a great high revving motor sans turbocharger. Again, bravo for producing an enthusiasts car and making it affordable.
In the future I can’t wait to own a Gt86/ GR86 or a BRZ they are both great cars.Can’t wait to have fun driving one. I have the GR86 as my wallpaper that’s how much I love the car. But Toyota and Subaru did a very great job creating the twins.
Excellent review was waiting for this one like you were waiting to review it. What a great car with perfect improvements. Thanks Toyota for making another fun car that's not a hybrid SUV.
Hey you're the first reviewer to detail some of the specific mechanical differences between the upcoming BRZ! That said, I do wonder if a more comfort tuned, softly sprung BRZ will actually be faster around a track. I think there's fairly good evidence that indicates a super-stiff, bouncy ride on actual roads (not made of glass) might turn quicker lap times...in addition to being more comfortable for daily driving.
I waited a year and change for Wrxfan to do your thing. I have bought my last two cars, the 2017 BRZ and then my now 2019 MX-5 RF, due to you and your channel. I am considering getting the BRZ Limited for next spring (each car would have lasted three years about). Or, another MX-5 RF but this time with the Recaro seats and the Brembo brakes. Third car choosing from is a 2022 Mini JCW. Everything manual of course. Do you think maybe the BRZ could use the performance package that I loved from 2017? One more time for me Wrxfan, if you would :)
Thanks Dorian, I'm so glad the videos have helped you. I remember the Miata discussions. If your BRZ had the Performance Package and you enjoyed the bigger brakes, I'd wait to see if Toyota or Subaru do a Performance Pack eventually. The Mini is fun too, but a very different experience from the BRZ and MX-5. Between the ND2 Miata and the new 86/BRZ, it's a tossup in my mind. They're both equally fun, the main edge the 86 has is the better practicality and space. So if you're not needing more space or don't feel the urge to change cars, you can't go wrong sticking with the MX-5.
It’s funny how everyone was trashing the tires when the FRS/brz came out and now with the new one we get grippier tires and everyone wants to go with the base model because of how fun the tires are.
Great review, watched till the end. I just wanted to ask which car would you ultimately pick on a fun to drive basis alone, the ND2 or this new GR86? Thanks!
Thanks for watching till the end! Fun to drive alone, it's really close. The Miata has a slight edge with the open top experience, but the 86 is more tail-happy. Honestly I feel like they're pretty even from a driving standpoint.
@@MattMaranMotoring what’s your thought on the engine compared to the ND2? Does it like to rev? Hows the power delivery, the compare to the ND2, etc? Thanks
Awesome video the only think I disliked was the “1 lap at a time” rule, the pads are definitely not up to snuff a full track session, excited to see what they offer. 👍🏼
I am planning on buying a new car by Jan 2022. The cars I am currently debating over are this new GR86, the new Elantra 'N', or the new Civic SI. Maybe a Golf GTI or Golf 'R'. I want something fun to drive but dependable for ownership reliability. I will be retired but I still enjoy driving and I need to replace my current daily driver of fifteen plus years, 2006 Mazda3 5 speed sedan. And it must be a manual transmission for me! Thanks in advance for any suggestions. TKM
For reliability, I'd say the GR86 is the best out of all the cars you listed, mainly because it's the only naturally aspirated car on your list, and because it's been partially developed by Toyota. The Civic Si should be solid for a long time too, but the turbo motor may get carbon buildup eventually. Elantra N will have the 10 year powertrain warranty which is nice, and could be solid but also could have the carbon issue. The VWs will also have this issue long term, and VWs like to have electrical gremlins that can be annoying.
This has me rethinking my car plans when my S6 is due for sale next year. Maybe a cheap SUV (yuck) for family stuff and one of these in the other garage bay...
Its great to have options isn't it. I wish Mazda made a proper coupe version of the MX-5...Maybe thats why they're patent photos of a possible production version of the 'RX-vision' concept
@@smilepermile8165 Yeah I'd be into a coupe Miata, tho I do plan on keeping my Miata for top down weekend cruises, getting a GR86 for more daily driving/track days. You've seen the NB coupe? I think they only made a handful of them, they look pretty slick.
@@bosneb Yep I've seen a NB Coupe too! They made like 176 of them for only the Japanese Domestic Market, so its very hard to find! I'm sure that Coupe version is more structurally rigid, quieter, more aero dynamic, and safer in a car crash than the regular convertible NB. The current ND generation looks really good so I wish they would make a coupe version for trackday enthusiasts - sharing the nice roofline as the RF version. But yeah, we're grateful that the GR 86 exists anyway, as it is bound to be a great car too!
@@smilepermile8165 You seen one in person? I would geek out so hard if I saw that on the road lol. I've only seen them in pics. An ND coupe would certainly be a tempting and sexy proposition, but I've been driving Miatas exclusively for like 15 years now so I think I'd like a little more space. 86 seems like prolly everything I like about the Miata, plus that +2 form factor. Maybe bring my guitar on a road trip without having to keep it in the passenger seat ;)
Watching your video and Savagegeese's before I watch 7 million other GR 86 videos today Matt! Gave it a thumbs up for the algorithm too! Maybe a BRZ (or GR 86) weekly update version 2.0 in the future? hehe
This new car is really sexy to look at! Great standard features! Would you say a guy with a 2014 mustang 5.0 with 3.15s with oversized 275 40 19s (lowering my gearing) would find this a big drop off in manual in the city?
I was leaning towards Kona N's utility, but even ham-fist savagegeese was able to pull off some pro drifts. Because it's also a good daily, it'll quietly make an excellent instructor. I suspect Gen Z will have the most track capable drivers. Assuming enough of em are sold.
Yeah I'm not sure why they aren't showing off the Neptune blue. Unfortunately I'm unable to request a certain color, the fleet just gets whatever Toyota sends and usually they just distribute all the cars that were at the launch event, which means there likely won't be any Neptune blues in the press fleets anywhere sadly.
If I ever sold my low mile 8h Gen Civic Si, this is the car that I’d choose. Not everyone wants a 4 Door Sports car that everyone and their brother has out on the roads. I’d have to get a Manual Transmission though.
I'm so conflicted. I love these vehicles in theory, but not in practice. I live somewhere where I have absolutely no opportunity to take curves or anything like that so if it's slow in a straight line, there's no fun to be had. But I want to be able to get one and constantly throw them around the curves.
I wouldn’t call 6 ish seconds (manual) ‘slow’ as that’s still a decent amount if acceleration... but yea the best part about it is how it feels to control / turn etc.
Awesome review! I was looking out for your review as I knew you had owned a previous generation model, like I did, to fully appreciate the upgrades in this new one. I loved my 2015 BRZ and the new one looks to be better in every way.
the moment when 4 GR86 videos pop up in my feed. Apart from the looks which look better than the weird refresh but worse than the original, the car is really better in every way
Any idea what the 6th gear cruising RPM is now at highway speeds? I know the gearing is more aggressive, im just curious if this thing has to scream at 4000RPM to do 75 on the highway.
I was only able to briefly cruise at highway speeds (less than a minute) but the RPM seemed to be similar to the old car. This still runs pretty similar gearing to the old car, still has the 4.10 final drive.
Multiple dealers told me this car has a market adjustment cost of $9800.00 over MSRP and people are buying them faster than ants to sugar.WTH..............?
Man I'm a little torn guys, help me out! Before I started to look into the brz I was hyped up for the new 86, but ever since around a month ago I've heard some things about the brz that makes it a better daily drive car, track am not sure, but I can't decide between the 86 or brz, any suggestions?
They're both great choices and will drive very very similarly on the road. The 86 is a little easier to slide around, the BRZ prefers understeer a bit more, but both are fantastic sports cars.
Take a test drive. Buying a new car supports this type of car, how well this sells will decide the future availability of affordable sports cars. If people buy just used sports cars there won't be any in the future. Also if you get a 370z you will be associated with idiots like the user *DARKVOID*, I wouldn't buy a car that makes me look like such a douche...
@@lariosmendoza I'm still set on the 370z, mainly because it has better aftermarket support, and yeah, more HP. But this new 86 is a little more balanced.
@@bosneb In Japanese Domestic Market, we've never seen that ducktail spoiler before. I'm sure you can take it off, or just get the base model instead because to be fair, it looks so 'stuck on' and try hard.
Too bad the ACTUAL 0-60 is more like 6.7 for the manual and 7.3 for auto… I was really bummed about that. It’s really not a quick car. But it feels quick and that’s what matters. How it makes u feel. Just don’t take to a drag strip cause u will still get beat by a Camry….
Hey matt. Few questions for you ! 1. Worth the upgrade from a 2017 to GR86 money for the specs? 2. With this GR86 would you still choose a ND2 miata over this though?
Hey Justin, sorry I'm just seeing this now! 1. I think it's worth the upgrade, but it'll depend on your plans. If your 2017 is modified a lot and has more power, going into a stock GR86 might not impress you as much as it impressed me. If yours is close to stock (power-wise) this is going to feel a lot better with basically no torque dip anymore and way more punch. Could you modify your 2017 to be just as fast? Of course, so it just comes down to whether you want the OEM quality and warranty. I think the new interior is a really nice improvement too. 2. This vs. ND2 will come down to your preferences. If you'd appreciate the convertible experience and/or an even lighter, smaller car, yes, ND2 is the better pick. I personally think the RF doesn't handle as well as the soft top though, so if you're looking for a hardtop, I think the GR86 would be the better experience. The GR86 feels more solid and rigid in corners and just a tad flatter and sharper too. Plus the GR86 gives you much more interior space so it's easier to live with. Which car is the better pick for you will come down to how you feel about the things I mentioned. Honestly between the two there really isn't a bad choice though. Personally if it was just a weekend car and I didn't need a back seat, I'd go ND2 soft top, if it's a daily driver that also needs to do weekend duty, GR86 is the better all-rounder. Hope this helps!
I haven't driven a base Cayman to compare unfortunately. The closest Cayman I've driven was the turbo GTS from a few years ago. Handling actually feels fairly similar on the street at reasonable speeds where the mid-engine dynamics aren't as readily apparent. The Cayman is gonna have way more low-end punch with the turbo, but its powertrain (with the PDK at least) didn't feel as lively as the GR 86 motor does. The Cayman is also double the price for even a base model, so it's not a fair comparison really, but I think the 86 offers more fun per dollar.
@@MattMaranMotoring - Yep! I totally agree with your evaluation. People always say it’s crazy to make these comparisons but when it comes to figuring value and the fun factor I think these comparisons are appropriate. I daily a 2008 automatic Miata NC and also own a 2019 Bullitt like yours. I owned a 2012 manual base Porsche Boxster which I traded in for the more affordable fun Bullitt. I am always thinking of other fun handling sports cars but can’t bring myself to buy the 4.0 Cayman GTS which is about $100k.with minimal options (that’s my favorite). I think these reliable Japanese affordable small and lighter nimble cars are the ones to get. They offer the best fun driving experience at a great price.
@@breadslicer6142 - I hear that a lot about making comparisons with a Boxster and a Miata. However having owned both I think it’s a good discussion because even though Porsche is obviously luxury and very expensive, the new ND2 Miata is an incredible machine and gives you loads of driving fun for 1/2 the price of a new base Boxster! $30k instead of $60k and that doesn’t cover the maintenance and repairs either. As for the fun factor, drive both and than think about the cost benefit analysis!
Hi Matt (or anyone who has this already), this hasn't been released in my country yet and just wondering if your video has any colour correction - just trying to work out the real colour of that Red and whether it's what I'm after. I'm a big fan of the real deep vibrant red that it appears in the video, so would you say that's a good representation, or is it a little lighter colour / less vibrant in real life? Thanks!
Not sure if it’s different in your country, but the Stinger only comes in Auto here... which makes it an entirely different car for me... plus it’s a Much bigger car... so completely different feel / class.
First review I've seen of this car. Nice to see they trusted themselves rather than listening to everyone whining about it not being turbo
I think it is really pretty! (you too Matt)
Haha thanks for stopping by Nick! You'll be relieved to know there's no yellow offered!
@@MattMaranMotoring This really looks like a great track day car
Wow a lil sus
It really is “pretty” looks like a girl car now smh
@@LifeofAngel05 Whatever you say, ANGEL. lol
It looks pretty amazing. Like that color. It’s like an accessible Cayman + Toyota reliability.
@@Brian-jv8iy wrong. Toyota is a lot more reliable than porsche by far and continues even til today. The only reason why ppl think Porsche is "reliable" is because they don't daily drive em and they keep mileage low so they last for years. Toyotas are daily driven and last decades in general.
@@nn99nn99 true. i have a 20yr old camry, a 10 yr old sienna, and a 7 yr old FRS and they all still drive well w/very very little problems.
I think it’s a really good looking car! And for 30k it’s pretty hard to beat in terms of handling and fun while not being the run of the mill V6 pony car. Would be a fun track toy to mess around in. Great video as usual Matt!
Thanks!
Seems very similar to the supra
Your excitement is great man. So happy for this car to exist.
Toyobaru did a great job with the updates to this car! One of the last driver's cars left.
Especially at this price point.
@@Brian-jv8iy I don't know if I'd say there are lots necessarily. There's less than a hand full of manual, rwd cars for sale under $40K.
Thank you for your excitement and enthusiasm when reviewing these cars for us, Matt. That’s what makes you one of the best car journalist in my opinion. Keep up the great work!
Thanks Luis! These cars are way more fun than most people give them credit for so the enthusiasm comes natural to me :)
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Great review! I like how they made the front a little less "angry" and busy than before. We already have too many angry-looking cars out there! Looking forward to seeing these out on the roads.
Love this new GR86/BRZ. The changes have brought it more close to perfect than ever before. As the father of 3, with 2 close to leaving on their own, I am looking forward to another Sporty/Sports Coupe, especially with a manual.
Nice! Please buy it so that they’ll keep making it. Most people love cars like this but then they don’t sell and then they get pulled from the market
I’m right there with you! Reminds me better simpler times of late 90s and early 2000’s when cars were fun to drive and people lived by the rules.
How well this sells will decide the future availability of affordable sports cars.
The way the economy and inflation are going, even used cars are looking to be unaffordable.
I’m buying one right when it comes out, my Nissan Sentraa transmission issues ain’t cutting it no more
@@ian2372 I confirm this in the Latin American market. Since COVID, in my country (Chile) we had some inflation due to a certain ammount of percentage that has been allowed to take from retirement savings...so the used car market prices has been going up wildly even with chinese cars lol
Great review!! Seems like the new 86 is a marked improvement over the old one. Looks and sounds great, too.
Your content was a key reason I bought my BRZ. My first autocross season in it has been a riot. Thanks Matt!
Thanks David, I'm so glad the videos helped you find a car you love!
Not the best reviewer but the one that makes you smile the most.
Hey it’s where you started man , looks incredible
I want this car. I want something fun to drive on the weekends when im not driving for work. I WILL buy one.
I drive a Miata. I appreciate a small two door underpowered rear wheel drive car
Kudos to you! Not many people do anymore sadly. I compare this to the Miata later in the video, both cars are fantastic.
How tall are you? I am hesitant about miata, because at 5'11" I feel it's too small for daily (so I've been waiting for GR86 and Nissan Z, but would prefer convertible). Thoughts?
@@MattMaranMotoring I doubt I would replace my ND2 with one of these but that little bit of extra practicality is enticing. The 86 looks better than the BRZ imo
@@JH-qy7zw I'm 5'9" and I fit fine in my ND. You're probably about the limit of being actually comfortable in one. Worth a try!
I daily a 2008 Miata PRHT! Love it!
Great review as always Matt. I especially loved the off camera summary at the end. The only thing that still makes me want an ND2 more at this point is the convertible experience.
I’m really liking the way this thing sounds. Good for the designers :).
Matt, great car review. I've driven Hondas for the past 30 years. But I also have a real appreciation for a lighter weight sporty car with manual tranny whoever makes it. Bravo Toyota/Subaru!!! This sound like a great high revving motor sans turbocharger. Again, bravo for producing an enthusiasts car and making it affordable.
Thanks Walt!
Great review Matt! Looks like you were having a really great time driving it.
I love the new design. Clean and modern but not overdone.
I was thinking on getting a previous model as a backroad burner . They are dirt cheap in my country .
After watching all the reviews this one draws the best comparisons. I believe this was the first American driving impressions on youtube as well.
Nice car. I'm still looking to get the new Z but this is a cool plan b. Great review. 👍🏼
You've done SubaruWRXFan proud Matt... ;o)
In the future I can’t wait to own a Gt86/ GR86 or a BRZ they are both great cars.Can’t wait to have fun driving one. I have the GR86 as my wallpaper that’s how much I love the car. But Toyota and Subaru did a very great job creating the twins.
Your reviews are really well done! Really nice car Toyota made
Thanks Kale!
I got 3 different videos in my feed today for this car. I came straight to this one for the backroad. Real ones know 😂
I'm very impressed with the improvements! I might be crazy, but I'm more excited about this car than the new Z car.
@@user-qc7dr3cd3q no turbo sux but backseats lower insurance costs
Awesome review Matt! Amazing car for the money and can't wait to see the modifications scene for the GR86/BRZ.
Thanks man!
It would cool if they add a track pack, with a nice front splitter, some brembos, etc.
Excellent review was waiting for this one like you were waiting to review it. What a great car with perfect improvements. Thanks Toyota for making another fun car that's not a hybrid SUV.
Hey you're the first reviewer to detail some of the specific mechanical differences between the upcoming BRZ! That said, I do wonder if a more comfort tuned, softly sprung BRZ will actually be faster around a track. I think there's fairly good evidence that indicates a super-stiff, bouncy ride on actual roads (not made of glass) might turn quicker lap times...in addition to being more comfortable for daily driving.
great review I still remember when you used to say the word “nice” like 50 times in a video lol you are a pro now
I waited a year and change for Wrxfan to do your thing. I have bought my last two cars, the 2017 BRZ and then my now 2019 MX-5 RF, due to you and your channel. I am considering getting the BRZ Limited for next spring (each car would have lasted three years about). Or, another MX-5 RF but this time with the Recaro seats and the Brembo brakes. Third car choosing from is a 2022 Mini JCW. Everything manual of course. Do you think maybe the BRZ could use the performance package that I loved from 2017? One more time for me Wrxfan, if you would :)
Thanks Dorian, I'm so glad the videos have helped you. I remember the Miata discussions. If your BRZ had the Performance Package and you enjoyed the bigger brakes, I'd wait to see if Toyota or Subaru do a Performance Pack eventually. The Mini is fun too, but a very different experience from the BRZ and MX-5. Between the ND2 Miata and the new 86/BRZ, it's a tossup in my mind. They're both equally fun, the main edge the 86 has is the better practicality and space. So if you're not needing more space or don't feel the urge to change cars, you can't go wrong sticking with the MX-5.
It’s funny how everyone was trashing the tires when the FRS/brz came out and now with the new one we get grippier tires and everyone wants to go with the base model because of how fun the tires are.
Great review, watched till the end. I just wanted to ask which car would you ultimately pick on a fun to drive basis alone, the ND2 or this new GR86? Thanks!
Thanks for watching till the end! Fun to drive alone, it's really close. The Miata has a slight edge with the open top experience, but the 86 is more tail-happy. Honestly I feel like they're pretty even from a driving standpoint.
@@MattMaranMotoring Thank you so much!
@@MattMaranMotoring what’s your thought on the engine compared to the ND2? Does it like to rev? Hows the power delivery, the compare to the ND2, etc? Thanks
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They really made the perfect 30k sports car. The added torque and fantastic gearing makes for a great street car!
Car looks like a real hoot to drive. Can't wait to pick one up!
Is it as good as the Honda S2000?
Great in depth review! It looks amazing in my humble opinion and seems like good value for the money
The arrow bits is like the same thing the 2020 Sonata has as well, and it looks beautiful
Awesome video the only think I disliked was the “1 lap at a time” rule, the pads are definitely not up to snuff a full track session, excited to see what they offer. 👍🏼
Excellent reveiw
Great review, Matt. How’s the interior quality compared to the Miata?
Thanks! Miata interior quality is definitely a little nicer.
HEY MATT! I like your bowling shoes!
You kinda remind me of Mike Tyson. He rocked the black boots with no socks just like you are doing…
I am planning on buying a new car by Jan 2022. The cars I am currently debating over are this new GR86, the new Elantra 'N', or the new Civic SI. Maybe a Golf GTI or Golf 'R'. I want something fun to drive but dependable for ownership reliability. I will be retired but I still enjoy driving and I need to replace my current daily driver of fifteen plus years, 2006 Mazda3 5 speed sedan. And it must be a manual transmission for me! Thanks in advance for any suggestions. TKM
For reliability, I'd say the GR86 is the best out of all the cars you listed, mainly because it's the only naturally aspirated car on your list, and because it's been partially developed by Toyota. The Civic Si should be solid for a long time too, but the turbo motor may get carbon buildup eventually. Elantra N will have the 10 year powertrain warranty which is nice, and could be solid but also could have the carbon issue. The VWs will also have this issue long term, and VWs like to have electrical gremlins that can be annoying.
This seems to be the only car where universally, from what I’ve read, that a majority of people love the styling of the car. Nailed it.
I am SO excited for this car
This has me rethinking my car plans when my S6 is due for sale next year. Maybe a cheap SUV (yuck) for family stuff and one of these in the other garage bay...
As a Miata owner who wants a roof and a more usable trunk I'm very interested.
Its great to have options isn't it. I wish Mazda made a proper coupe version of the MX-5...Maybe thats why they're patent photos of a possible production version of the 'RX-vision' concept
@@smilepermile8165 Yeah I'd be into a coupe Miata, tho I do plan on keeping my Miata for top down weekend cruises, getting a GR86 for more daily driving/track days. You've seen the NB coupe? I think they only made a handful of them, they look pretty slick.
@@bosneb Yep I've seen a NB Coupe too! They made like 176 of them for only the Japanese Domestic Market, so its very hard to find! I'm sure that Coupe version is more structurally rigid, quieter, more aero dynamic, and safer in a car crash than the regular convertible NB. The current ND generation looks really good so I wish they would make a coupe version for trackday enthusiasts - sharing the nice roofline as the RF version. But yeah, we're grateful that the GR 86 exists anyway, as it is bound to be a great car too!
@@smilepermile8165 You seen one in person? I would geek out so hard if I saw that on the road lol. I've only seen them in pics.
An ND coupe would certainly be a tempting and sexy proposition, but I've been driving Miatas exclusively for like 15 years now so I think I'd like a little more space. 86 seems like prolly everything I like about the Miata, plus that +2 form factor. Maybe bring my guitar on a road trip without having to keep it in the passenger seat ;)
Love your review. The side skirt will have lots of scuffs ans scratches as already seen on the video.
Watching your video and Savagegeese's before I watch 7 million other GR 86 videos today Matt! Gave it a thumbs up for the algorithm too! Maybe a BRZ (or GR 86) weekly update version 2.0 in the future? hehe
Thanks, I really appreciate that! If I could justify having a second 2-door hardtop sports car I’d be placing an order.
This new car is really sexy to look at! Great standard features!
Would you say a guy with a 2014 mustang 5.0 with 3.15s with oversized 275 40 19s (lowering my gearing) would find this a big drop off in manual in the city?
Probably not a huge difference at lower speeds. In the city, the more nimble 86 might actually be a little more enjoyable. Worth a test drive!
This should have been the new Mazda Rx 7 new platform with a couple of changes and awd added and 427 hp 2 seater.
This car is just phenomenal!
So good enough for you to jump back on the 86/BRZ wagon😬 Tryong to decide if I want to upgrade my 2014.
Absolutely beautiful. Day 1
exactly the type of video that would get recommended straight after buying a base 86
This with a turbo would be my favorite car. Looks amazing.
I remember when you got the brz
It's nice. I think the difference in its dimensions make it look like a newer supra especially how they did the rear.
Which would you go for, the discontinued Camaro 2.0T 1LE, or the new GR86?
Depends if you want a smaller, lightweight car or a larger, heavier car with more power. I'd go GR 86 personally.
I was leaning towards Kona N's utility, but even ham-fist savagegeese was able to pull off some pro drifts.
Because it's also a good daily, it'll quietly make an excellent instructor. I suspect Gen Z will have the most track capable drivers. Assuming enough of em are sold.
Love the duck bill spoiler
I will be especially happy to see the one who designed the back of this car to do harakiri. Alternatively, he can become a Pokémon designer.
Please request the Neptune blue color if you’re able to if Toyota gives you a press car. Would love to see how that looks on this car on video.
Yeah I'm not sure why they aren't showing off the Neptune blue. Unfortunately I'm unable to request a certain color, the fleet just gets whatever Toyota sends and usually they just distribute all the cars that were at the launch event, which means there likely won't be any Neptune blues in the press fleets anywhere sadly.
Are you tempted to buy this new model now? If not, what's your daily driver now? Thanks for the review!
Still a rich man's go-kart or a poor man's sports car. Thumbs up!
silver lining along the cupboards would also been great
If I ever sold my low mile 8h Gen Civic Si, this is the car that I’d choose. Not everyone wants a 4 Door Sports car that everyone and their brother has out on the roads. I’d have to get a Manual Transmission though.
I'm so conflicted. I love these vehicles in theory, but not in practice. I live somewhere where I have absolutely no opportunity to take curves or anything like that so if it's slow in a straight line, there's no fun to be had. But I want to be able to get one and constantly throw them around the curves.
You could move to a location where you have winding roads nearby 😏
Drive thrus have curves
I wouldn’t call 6 ish seconds (manual) ‘slow’ as that’s still a decent amount if acceleration... but yea the best part about it is how it feels to control / turn etc.
Awesome review! I was looking out for your review as I knew you had owned a previous generation model, like I did, to fully appreciate the upgrades in this new one. I loved my 2015 BRZ and the new one looks to be better in every way.
Thanks Mark, I'm glad you liked the video!
the moment when 4 GR86 videos pop up in my feed. Apart from the looks which look better than the weird refresh but worse than the original, the car is really better in every way
what sucks is that you cant get adaptive cruise control with the manual.....
drove it around the Nürburgring....... in gran turismo
What does the red color look like in person? Does it look like it did in the video
I'm ready. When will these be available?
Available to order now, should be hitting dealers early November.
they fixed the Torque problem!
Any idea what the 6th gear cruising RPM is now at highway speeds? I know the gearing is more aggressive, im just curious if this thing has to scream at 4000RPM to do 75 on the highway.
I was only able to briefly cruise at highway speeds (less than a minute) but the RPM seemed to be similar to the old car. This still runs pretty similar gearing to the old car, still has the 4.10 final drive.
The car-citement factor can be determined from the pitch and squeals of his voice 😂
Multiple dealers told me this car has a market adjustment cost of $9800.00 over MSRP and people are buying them faster than ants to sugar.WTH..............?
Man I'm a little torn guys, help me out! Before I started to look into the brz I was hyped up for the new 86, but ever since around a month ago I've heard some things about the brz that makes it a better daily drive car, track am not sure, but I can't decide between the 86 or brz, any suggestions?
They're both great choices and will drive very very similarly on the road. The 86 is a little easier to slide around, the BRZ prefers understeer a bit more, but both are fantastic sports cars.
@@MattMaranMotoring Thanks for the reply! Either way I’m stoked because this will be my very first sports car! And very first car to buy!
@@MattMaranMotoring update after all thus time... I bought the 86 in premium, Neptune blue. It's absolutely beautiful and fantastic sports car!
I was set on getting a 370z, but this review has me thinking..
Get the 370.. cmon man its a no brainer. This shit is still slow
@@lariosmendoza apparently you didn’t listen to the beginning of the video……..
Take a test drive. Buying a new car supports this type of car, how well this sells will decide the future availability of affordable sports cars. If people buy just used sports cars there won't be any in the future. Also if you get a 370z you will be associated with idiots like the user *DARKVOID*, I wouldn't buy a car that makes me look like such a douche...
Get the Nissan
@@lariosmendoza I'm still set on the 370z, mainly because it has better aftermarket support, and yeah, more HP. But this new 86 is a little more balanced.
Will you review the 2022 Subaru BRZ? :)
Yep, review coming in 2 weeks!
@@MattMaranMotoring Awesome, been waiting for that one!
Every article I read today on Mr Google, doesn't mention 1/4 mile time just 0 to 60 , was hoping you would mention?
Still not a fan of the way the back end looks now but I’m glad to hear it’s an even better car.
It looks a little like a Supra.
SpiritedxDriver Thats why you have the aftermarket to help you tweak it to your own liking.
I defo prefer it without the duck spoiler. Hoping the premium trim comes with spoiler delete option.
@@bosneb or just get a base.
@@bosneb In Japanese Domestic Market, we've never seen that ducktail spoiler before. I'm sure you can take it off, or just get the base model instead because to be fair, it looks so 'stuck on' and try hard.
Too bad the ACTUAL 0-60 is more like 6.7 for the manual and 7.3 for auto… I was really bummed about that. It’s really not a quick car. But it feels quick and that’s what matters. How it makes u feel. Just don’t take to a drag strip cause u will still get beat by a Camry….
You ever test one with a spercharger ? HKS ? Would love that
I tested the previous generation of the BRZ and FR-S with superchargers.
Hey matt. Few questions for you !
1. Worth the upgrade from a 2017 to GR86 money for the specs?
2. With this GR86 would you still choose a ND2 miata over this though?
Hey Justin, sorry I'm just seeing this now!
1. I think it's worth the upgrade, but it'll depend on your plans. If your 2017 is modified a lot and has more power, going into a stock GR86 might not impress you as much as it impressed me. If yours is close to stock (power-wise) this is going to feel a lot better with basically no torque dip anymore and way more punch. Could you modify your 2017 to be just as fast? Of course, so it just comes down to whether you want the OEM quality and warranty. I think the new interior is a really nice improvement too.
2. This vs. ND2 will come down to your preferences. If you'd appreciate the convertible experience and/or an even lighter, smaller car, yes, ND2 is the better pick. I personally think the RF doesn't handle as well as the soft top though, so if you're looking for a hardtop, I think the GR86 would be the better experience. The GR86 feels more solid and rigid in corners and just a tad flatter and sharper too. Plus the GR86 gives you much more interior space so it's easier to live with. Which car is the better pick for you will come down to how you feel about the things I mentioned. Honestly between the two there really isn't a bad choice though. Personally if it was just a weekend car and I didn't need a back seat, I'd go ND2 soft top, if it's a daily driver that also needs to do weekend duty, GR86 is the better all-rounder. Hope this helps!
@@MattMaranMotoring thanks for the great response. Nice work you do by the way.
@@justinguerrero6357 Thanks Justin!
When does it come out ?
How would you compare this to a base Porsche Cayman? Handling and power? Overall feel?
C'mon man it's a porsche and its more comparable to the supra mk5
I haven't driven a base Cayman to compare unfortunately. The closest Cayman I've driven was the turbo GTS from a few years ago. Handling actually feels fairly similar on the street at reasonable speeds where the mid-engine dynamics aren't as readily apparent. The Cayman is gonna have way more low-end punch with the turbo, but its powertrain (with the PDK at least) didn't feel as lively as the GR 86 motor does. The Cayman is also double the price for even a base model, so it's not a fair comparison really, but I think the 86 offers more fun per dollar.
@@MattMaranMotoring - Yep! I totally agree with your evaluation. People always say it’s crazy to make these comparisons but when it comes to figuring value and the fun factor I think these comparisons are appropriate. I daily a 2008 automatic Miata NC and also own a 2019 Bullitt like yours. I owned a 2012 manual base Porsche Boxster which I traded in for the more affordable fun Bullitt. I am always thinking of other fun handling sports cars but can’t bring myself to buy the 4.0 Cayman GTS which is about $100k.with minimal options (that’s my favorite). I think these reliable Japanese affordable small and lighter nimble cars are the ones to get. They offer the best fun driving experience at a great price.
@@breadslicer6142 - I hear that a lot about making comparisons with a Boxster and a Miata. However having owned both I think it’s a good discussion because even though Porsche is obviously luxury and very expensive, the new ND2 Miata is an incredible machine and gives you loads of driving fun for 1/2 the price of a new base Boxster! $30k instead of $60k and that doesn’t cover the maintenance and repairs either. As for the fun factor, drive both and than think about the cost benefit analysis!
I was 100% expecting to hear, "what's up everybody, subaruwrxfan here!" with this video
Hi Matt (or anyone who has this already), this hasn't been released in my country yet and just wondering if your video has any colour correction - just trying to work out the real colour of that Red and whether it's what I'm after. I'm a big fan of the real deep vibrant red that it appears in the video, so would you say that's a good representation, or is it a little lighter colour / less vibrant in real life? Thanks!
He doesnt reply to anyone ...
i was the 1000th like!
What about the RADIO ?
It still needs more power. It may not be that affordable. I think the Kia Stinger GT-line is better depending on what you can get each car for.
Not sure if it’s different in your country, but the Stinger only comes in Auto here... which makes it an entirely different car for me... plus it’s a Much bigger car... so completely different feel / class.
@@MKu64 it doesn’t have to be exactly the same. Not talking about the GT-line but the GT with 3.3TT motor.
How's the steering weight? I've heard it's light from other reviews.
Other reviewers are saying that there is a speaker playing artificial engine noise. Hmmmm..