2022 Toyota GR86 | First Drive and Details
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- Опубликовано: 2 июл 2024
- We drive the new 2022 Toyota GR86, sibling to the Subaru BRZ. The new car is designed to be an affordable driver-focused sports car and addresses the problems with the last generation GT86, FRS. We discuss the pros and cons. Would you choose this over the Mazda Miata, Honda S2000, Golf R, or Civic Type R?
#gr86 #brz #toyota
Index:
00:00 Intro
01:15 Interior and Exterior Impressions
3:18 Driving the Old GT86
7:04 GR86 Technical Impressions
11:32 GR86 Driving Impressions
15:52 Final Thoughts 
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I met this guy at the event, don't trust him he tried to steal an even smaller helmet before we went out on track.
These allegations are unfounded and our legal team will be in contact, see you in court.
@@savagegeese EDIT: allegedly
Savage Geese = Savage Thief?
That helmet trying to get out and drift without jack. Not the short squeeze we wanted 😂
hilarious :D good to see you Carlos, hope you are doing well. Really loved your reviews from back in the golden era of car reviews on RUclips (~2010-2014), really shaped my view of what to look for in sportscars!
Jack in that helmet looks like the cat with a watermelon hat meme.
Its really annoying, helments get bigger and bigger, and more squishy and regulations are only increasing this factor.
I can’t describe how hilarious this is
The helmet was trying to birth my face. 🤣
Exactly what I was thinking!!! 😂😂😂
He looks like a little fat kid that wasn’t fast enough and got caught in the elevator doors 😀
Jack handling Mark's stick while yelling like the Kool-Aid man is the reason why I have an OnlyFans membership.
10/10 woodpurchase
Wtf?
Yes, that's the reason.... that's the reason.
Being a beta has nothing to do with it?
Crazy how the S2000 is even still in the question 21 years later. Honda, please do it again.
not all that crazy when the cars are basically still analog. cars haven't changed that much in the past 2 decades for this class.
With new safety standards , it won’t have that iconic long low profile hood. The new 86 is the new standard hood and headlight height. New s2k will look tall and bubbly as a result
seriously, bring it back
The s2000 was over 30k in 1999, about 50% more than a MX5. Or roughly 50k today, so it wasn't really in the same price class.
@@wayward03 at that price, i would look used corvettes
I watch you guys drive 60k 80k 100k cars but here you are in the cheapest sports car, smiling and laughing more than any other car. That's why these cars are the best
True
It's not cheap its 31k (40k after markups)
@@sunburst8810 Mate... it's actually a bargain. Plus, they are reliable. What a better combo than that!!
@@sunburst8810 cheap SPORTS CAR. Not comparable to a fwd economy car
@@alexisnaranjo7979 don't defend these prices, its a cool car but as a consumer its our responsibility to demand the best product for the lowest price while the manufacturer/dealerships want to make money and don't care about you, this is the way we get a price between what the consumer wants and what the manufacturer/dealership wants but when consumers defend prices this just tells them they can charge whatever the hell they want over msrp.
Jack, could you please wear a smaller helmet next time?
Guy is always trying to look huge by wearing small helmets.
its like an orange on a toothpick!
swole!
😂😂😂
DUCKBILL PLATYPUS!!!!
"If you would've asked five years ago, I'd be like: this is kinda cheap, I wish they had... Now: please, don't touch it, leave it simple, it's amazing, it's affordable" -- Spot on! Especially worth keeping in mind the "affordable" part, as all that luxury and all these "tech" gimmicks are part of the reason cars are getting more expensive on average.
They added what people were adding via the aftermarket. Toyota might as well give all that in a well tested package rather than having buyers screw around with the car.
@@markmiller3279 No one is adding an electronic parking brake via aftermarket. Sometimes, simpler is better
The thing I dislike most about my modern car is that damned electronic parking brake
And something that people forget about ....cost of repair. The electronic ones are many hundreds to replace the actuators and wiring.......the basic parking lever? like 60 bucks to replace a steel cable under the car lol.
@@kevinnorris6558 he's talking about the GR86, people were adding head units with Android auto, better tires etc etc
I like how Jack is enjoying the conversation while his face is being compressed 😂❤
You must be an arab because only they use 😂❤️ together lmao
@@johneldepresso but you also used it so are you therefore an Arab too lmao
This is tempting, we gotta buy new cars with manuals if we want them to keep making them!
My Gladiator has a manual. Does that count? 😁
I would, if I had the money
i cant afford to... does leasing help at all?
@@douglasshouganai2516 of course it does since you are consuming.. temporarily but you are making them money and they are given that as feedback to continue production
@@chuckcribbs3398 2 door or 4 door? Please say 4 door!!!
Jack’s face all smushed up by the helmet hahahaha
He looks like a bad caricature artist did him.
Hahahaha man I can’t stop laughing. God, I love these guys.
Like it or not, you have to give props to Toyota and Subaru for making a second generation of a car that could have easily been a one-and-done. It shows that they still have people working for them that care about DRIVERS. This one looks a lot better than the old one, too.
looking at the road around where I live I think it was a success. For a long time till the supra it was the only sports car toyota had that was not branded lexus. im sure that helped with them being so big
its all a marketing strategy that gets you to look at their brand especially for younger people that doesn't know better.
i dropped a tear...i hope there will always be cool manual cars in the future 🥺
I’m perfectly happy with my 2020 MX-5 RF GT 6MT (with some light mods). So I’m not in the market, as it were. But I’m soooo happy the BRZ/86 is not only still around. But evolving and becoming even better. Huge props to Subaru/Toyota for their important part in keeping this segment alive.
I'm glad that some car brands are still willing to make cars for car people even though if they're the kinda turning into the minority, I don't see anyone anymore who sees cars as more then a tool to get to point A to B,
Porsche.
@@JoJoJoker ye
Truthfully that’s all cars are, tools. People have gotten smarter and realized they shouldn’t be spending good money on depreciating assets. However I would not have any issues owning a Porsche, I know it’s an overpriced VW but that is a drivers car!
Because they live in cities.
@@82dupont Porsche is not Volkswagen at all. They use their own architecture and their own engines. Audis are expensive Volkswagens.
That sound is indeed brutal on the ears.
Not in a good way either
To be honest, after owning a 10gen Si, I’m ok with it now, I mean we asked for a better sounding car and cheaper price and so much regulation out there, they tried, I accept whatever come out in the future, and keep in mind, 2030 will be no more new gas car in Japan and many other country
It would get boring real quick.
Sounds like a woodchipper
@@chengzhong5342 Yep, most countries here in Europe are giving up new ICE cars by 2030, too. Imagine the prices of gas by then... which it is by the way painfully expensive by now :(
I am 48 and this is exactly the car I would have bought from age 18 - 26 or so. 240SX, Celica, Eclipse, Integra, MX-6, etc. has been brought back to life. I have C7, Jag XK, and Alfa Giulia but I may just buy one of these for its mechanical purity and go find a road (and a 22 year old college babe) to remember what 1993 was like. :-)
why babe? why not find a 22 year old man? You don't know if you like it until you've tried it.
Yeah that's not creepy at all
@@braetonwilson4296 cant even tell who is what any more. What with the 156 genders out there.....
Haters of the binary, assemble. And soft greetings to those frightened ones who tremble in their fragility at the normal healthy agency of the older guy expressing fascination with the younger woman. Your yoke is a joke!
@@deuteriummeridian8998 It's creepy when an old man at the very end of his life is lusting after a woman young enough to be his grand daughter.
IMO you and Jack have the best reviews. They're comprehensive and more importantly you guys actually talk about the feel of the cars. So thank you for contact putting these together.
That's why we can't have nice things. For those who knows what this car is are celebrating it. For those who don't know, not everything is about horsepower, 0-60 times, or mpg. Its about the driving experience. The more you add, the higher the price get and the less people buy it, which make them disappear. Don't forget the late 90's. Go and buy them, ALL!
This GR86 is a classic "Driving a slow car fast" proposition. Momentum is key, and having a rear end with limited slip that loves to go sideways is icing on the cake. Unless you're loaded, it's this or the Miata, and neither one is what I'd call cheap. Hyundai should stick the Veloster N engine in the back of something mid-engined. That'd be a blast.
That fact that this car doesn't have the same amount of horsepower and torque as a base WRX is fucking dumb. It's a legitimate criticism that this car has not, and apparently will not, have enough power.
It should have a good 0-60 time, it's an almost 40k sports car
@@StEvEn420BrUlE It's not that type of car. How hard is it to understand this.
@@GT-RTData9 yeah that's why everyone who buys one totally doesn't end up modifying it to have more power.
Theres no reason for this car to not be as fast as the WRX. 86 apologists need to get Toyota and Subarus dick out there mouth and realize it's slow and should be faster. It's been a criticism of the car from day 1
Agree to an extent. We can't have nice things because the enthusiasts who celebrate this also immediately do the mental calculation on the depreciation curve and how cheap they can get one in 3-5 years. Got to buy this stuff new or we end up with CUV hell.
I was more entertained watching these 2 clowns doing the driving/shifting splits while laughing their asses off on track in the first few minutes of this video than watching entire other car channels on youtube
Only the weak engine kept me from having a GT-86 first time around. This looks like a really well balanced package of performance, reliability, fun and traditional sports car handling. I'm very keen to try one.
Feels like I've been waiting forever to see you guys cover this!
I’m so glad they made this car. Built everything better that can’t be changed in the aftermarket, a fun, driver’s car that doesn’t cost an exorbitant amount of money. The perfect new car to get an enthusiast into driving harder on the track or a nice canyon road. Thanks Toyota!
Lol if you're so glad but it. Literally no one buys these things.
@@AR-ix8fq yeah no one buys them, I never see any 86’s on the road, ever.
@@AR-ix8fq there are a shit ton of BRZ/86 in my area.
@@AR-ix8fq where do you live? Im out in as with nice long winding roads in most areas unless you’re deep in the city, I see a crap ton of these
@@AR-ix8fq They don't sell in large numbers, but I doubt either Toyota or Subaru expected them to. They're a way of selling serious drivers on the brand. They'll buy one of these as their toy, and a Highlander or Lexus RX as the family vehicle. And, with any luck, have such a good experience with the 86 they keep on buying Toyotas.
They need to ban fake engine sounds. Literally unbearable.
Honestly. I had to turn my volume down
first thought was it sounds terrible before they even mentioned it in the video. If I can tell in a video without even being made aware, imagine how bad that's gonna sound in person driving it hard. It's definitely a deal breaker if you cannot pull a fuse or something to disable it
It makes the cars faster it's literally a must to have pumped in audio
What are we, grandparents?
ye, its now "standard" in every sportscar, thats how it is... and trust me, there are cars out there with much worse fake sounds, this one is pretty ok
Dude, I started following you after I picked up a BRZ in 2013. You've come a long way and should be proud. Keep up the great work!
I absolutely love this channel first and foremost. The editing, the music, the content is all very appealing. I also love what this car is about with rear drive, affordable, sporty, manual tranny, and good looks. Well done on the channel and the car
4:18 Do you think Jack chose a helmet that only covers 2/3 of his face on purpose?
Now all that's left is waiting for my local dealer to call me when they're available. Exciting!
if you're making this comment in 2021, good luck!
Everything about this video was excellent.
*Chef's kiss*
This is such a great review, as always from you dudes. Best part was the Gran Turismo style menu music at 11:28 going into the driving impressions.
20 seconds in, well I like the cosmetic changes! So glad Toyota went forward with the car rather than discontinue it, which is what I was worried about. I hope Toyota eventually develops their own engine for this car.
They have, it's the GR Supra with the 2.0T
@@Vision33r The Supra 2.0L is nice but what? Not their engine.
@@Vision33r ummm you know that's a BMW engine right? and the cost is too high to put in this car. NA engine keeps price down.
#1 I don’t want a Supra or a touring car playing sports car.
#2 I want something light, small nimble, affordable, reliable and fun and rear wheel drive with a manual trans and LIGHT WEIGHT.
That leaves the newer miata and the GR86 pretty much. Both need IMO around 250hp at the wheels to really be a hoot though.
Or alternatively a kit car possibly like something from factory five, but I’m old enough now I just want to buy and drive…
I wouldn't mind if toytoa invested some money in interior for the next "gen".
And as long as it stays a simple not too overpowered for the rest of the car motor, they don't really need to do big changes to it
I love it when these two are giggling together. Such a cute cupple
I️ was going to make a comment about Jack wearing a Barbie helmet but I️ see many have beat me to it.
shouldnt you be posting weird prepper videos that get
@@LFshlevin shouldn’t you be shutting your mouth until you accomplish something first? As a hobby I️ started this channel and have many videos with hundreds of thousands and millions of views, and on “prepping” to boot.
I'm one minute into this review... Gotta say... Music selection and editing.. BEST review I've seen on this car and best review I've seen in general in a LONG time... Keep it up Mr. Goose!
Great review guys. Nobody goes deeper into the important details without putting me to sleep. Can’t wait to learn more about the 86!
Yeah well said.
Jack’s helmet is way too small. Squeezing the Charmin.
Ha! Looks like they swapped helmets for the hell of it!
I wanna know how he even got that on his head? 🤣
Maybe he has big ass head
Great video per usual! We're always looking forward to seeing your videos pop up in our recommended feed! Keep up the good work boys!
Holy embargo lift omg😂 Glad I stopped by the geese first. I haven’t been able to stop thinking about the “Cars and Trucks are Changing Forever” video, and just how despondent and beside themselves so many who commented there seemed to feel about the future of cars. At least now, there’s still stuff like this to get excited about, though. Great video as always.
I'm just here to hear you guy's laughing and having a good time.
Hey Space Jesus! I saw you last year at Red Rocks! Blessed be!
@@MarcoPollo77 hey Matt! Are you a Pope?
This impression was a delight, I can not wait for the proper review!
I never thought this day would come either lol I remember watching your OG 86 videos after buying mine back in 2014 lol
It's so refreshing to see the guys just laughing their butts off driving the old car, very pure
Great evolution. I'm am SO happy there are still companies making and improving CARS!
Car enthusiasts ought to thank motorsport enthusiast CEO Akio Toyoda for producing an affordable fun to drive RWD manual naturally aspirated sportscar, in a world where bans for petrol cars will be imposed in less than 10 yrs time in Japan & UK. These companies know that these sportscars aren't as profitable as SUVs, but still Mazda and Toyota (+Subaru) continue to produce them. To say 'iT nEEds mORe PowER' or 'mY gOLF R is FaSTer' or 'ILL gEt iT UsEd wHen iT dePRecIateS 10k' is an insult and a disservice to these manufacturers - and will be the reason why there'll be armchair critic Karens whining about 'wHy aReN't thERe ANy sPOrtScaRs fOr uNDer 50K anYmorE'
I get sick of people complaining when saying that their hot hatchbacks/mustang/minivans are faster - I mean so what? Adding power is easier in the aftermarket than it is to lower the centre of gravity, adding structure adhesives for a rigid chassis, have precise steering feel, or converting their whole drivetrain system to RWD in a lightweight package - those are things that only a manufacturer can really do, unless you have so much time in your hands with tonnes of money to spare.
LOL Exactly. That's why we have all these SUV/CUVs. Rip apart every new sporty car, but still end up buying the shit you say you hate.They also continue to obsess about cars they'll never afford instead of buying stuff like this and others. I'm waiting to see how badly they shit on the new Z tonight. 🍿 will be ready.
@@pherron7471 Me too man! I liked your comment on Matt Maran's GR86 video too! It really goes to show that its impossible to please people and you'll always get hate no matter what you do.
@@smilepermile8165 LOL Moving to Texas forced me to realize true car enthusiasts are an even smaller niche than I thought. People here buy just buy the same V8 cars over and over again. Pretty much laugh at you if have anything else. I'm pretty sure exotic car owners just buy their cars for Cars and Coffee and fine restaurants/ clubs. There are still a lot of good cars out there that aren't a Ford/Chevy/Mopar. People are missing out.
@@pherron7471 Exactly, its very much location dependant isn't it. With what kind of roads you have access to on a regular basis, and what type of racetracks (wide with long straights or tight with lots of elevation changes) you have near where you live. I just hope people understand and appreciate why companies produce these non-profitable lightweight RWD cars with modest power outputs.
Great review guys.
Fantastic cinematography, as always! Very enjoyable to watch! Thank you Mark and Jack!
"Pure driver's care that is not going to exist in the future". Remember this day and video before everything goes full robot. Great video. Thanks.
People keep saying that, but every year we keep getting good driver's cars.
@@TheOwenMajor yeah. Though this is the last hurrah before electrification. The Integra, Nissan Z, rumors of a Mazda RX…
@@undergroundoutlaw411 Maybe, maybe not. I project backlash and a stagnation of electric cars at some point. Electricity will be expensive, gas cheap, and people pissed off.
What a great car. Japanese car manufacturers are on the top of their game (GR Yaris, GR86, new Civic, MX-5, 400Z...)
True that ! Just picked up a new MX5 . Cheers ,
New Integra due out soon as well. If it's got an actual mechanical e-brake and manual gearbox, hatchback, and rigid frame, I'm going to start selling my organs.
@@12ealDealOfficial I forgot about that. I'm not sure if it'll be coming to the UK yet (ahem 400Z)
And then you look at what they did in the 90's...
@@Diddydudat What a time, what a time.
I suppose I'll fall in love with the looks after hearing enough that it drives well, because right now, it's not as beautiful as the previous 86. The old 86 is really something.
They had the best front bumper of all of them imo.
you guys stepped it up to a whole new level with this review, really amazing. So much genuine humor, technical meat, on-point observations. Best reviewers in the business, Chris Harris level all day, but more entertaining, Harris never made me laugh.
100% lots of meat.
The laughs and giggles are priceless
This is a video I have been waiting for all year
I love how simple and matte the interior is.
Finally a real review ….so much more information than ..it’s handing …thank you Sir
Gotta love the Gundam-suit mind meld "neural handshake" duo driving of the previous gen 86. Clearly you two are "drift compatible"
Pacific Rim and Evangelion both did that!
@@cyberneticxylem9614 get in the f***ing Toyota Mark!
I checked my notices, and had five different channels reviewing this car. I don't mind, because I'm going to buy one. And this is my favorite car channel, so I'll start here.
Excellent review, comprehensive & detailed. Smart to show the comparison to 1st gen 2021 with all the updates. I like the way you identify the topic covered by sections of the video progress bar, below. Thank u guys.
Your videos are just unmatched from the quality to your wording and how you explain things. I do recall maybe in one of your videos you would buy the new generation FRS….. keep up the good work, you got a lifer!
Love the videos. Been waiting on this for a long time
It's great how you two get really giddy together when pushing a car on the track. Candid moments. :) It's lovely! And very infectious. _GOOD_ infectious! 😬😉👌
You’re reviews are so good. Such a good balance…. You need a show!!!
So great this car gets a second gen! Great video! Can’t wait for the full review once you get it in the road.
My guy Mr Geese I would love for you to review my 95 Corolla with a 4A-GE Blacktop swap one day
Please !
Everyone like this post!
@@farley9255 appreciate the support
Lets vote this up guys
Dude, wrong place for this shit, this ain’t @regularcars. You want your old piece of shit reviewed go to RCR with Brian and Roman, not here.
Hoping you have secondary footage of Jack's initial reaction to putting the helmet on for the first time ..
The throwback intro alone sold me. I can't wait to blast my Eurobeat in this.
Excited to see your more in depth review, I’m fairly certain ill be picking one of these up in the future for some track fun! Thanks for the premium content as always !
Its gonna be a no brainer, low cost tear it up on track car with a minimal amount of fuss. Pads, oils and tires. Will need 10w40, oil temps were pushing 240F after two laps.
@@savagegeese 240 sounds chill. My Camaro with the LFX V6 runs 265-275 and my Blackstone oil test results on my Dexos2 5W and 0W40 oil show no degredation. I am searching for reliable info on what temps are actually too high for modern synthetic oil.
@@tdrcar Issue is oil pressures on Boxer get low quickly as temps get past 250F.
Deposit down for white '22 BRZ manual because of the aluminum knuckles. Can't wait. Another great vid🍻
You guys had a lot of fun driving the 86 lol
Just commenting to let you know I appreciate the music choice once again!
Love your videos guys! Relateable, funny and informative. I'm such an LC500 fan now because of you guys! Cheers from New Zealand!
I want a ringtone that just features you two giggling as you rip a corner lol
The Model S plaid can change its horn sound. Can you imagine your horn sound being them laughing.
Thank you SavageGeese and your friend for this review. I will subscribe now! Hello from Finland :)
I love this intro with the music. Kind of a stranger things season 4 intro to every scene. Please do all your future reviews like this.
I always watch yours first. Quality is un matched 👍🏻
My subscription feed: 9 videos of the GR Supra that's published at the same time. Just queued all to my playlist!
When Toyota listens the enthusiast's, we all win.
but they didn't... It's slow as fuck still EVERYONE asked for a turbo... They got rid of the shitty torque dip but that doesn't cut it when a camry has 202-301hp....
@@8BitWags This car just isn't for you and that's okay. People will enjoy the car regardless.
@@southernclassik owned both the FRS and the BRZ. It’s a great little platform but it’s underpowered. Have you owned one??? Also the larger bore, although glad it eliminated the nasty torque dip, will not respond well to forced induction. Really disappointed.
@@8BitWags I understand where you are coming from. IMO If someone cannot enjoy this in stock form, you most likely won't truly enjoy it overall. To answer your question, yes. I own a 2017 86 and its my favorite car to drive. Still not the fastest car I own yet, it's still my FAVORITE! It has everything you want in a sports car except the raw straight line speed and it's still affordable. Mine is all stock except the TRD intake. I have a video on my channel of me driving it in the mountains. cheers
It’s 95% a Subaru
All of the journalists went to the same event, but the results are different. Great, polished review.
i've waited so hard for this video!
Embargo lifted, hell yeah
I'm so hype for this review
The engine sounds like it really doesn't want to be an engine imo
So, is it trying to be like you?
Hidden dash speaker for engine noise. :(
@@donwarner6925 did your feelings get hurt little guy?
It's exactly as grand tourismo had predicted.
no one wants fake engine sound, i really have no idea what goes through manufacturers head when implementing it, it sounds like a worse need for speed engine fart sound.
You guys are sooo good at this!
by far the best thing from this video, apart from the amazing b-rolls as always, is Jack handling Mark's stick while giggling together
Starting the day with the Geese! Love it
Jack is really having fun shifting that gear lever
He can shift my lever anytime....
@@xFlared it’s a Trap!
Love the old school FR-S video clips at the start. Miss my FR-S, but not the torque. Great review.
Jack giggling has me dying 🤣🤣great content fellas!
Simple performance cars like this really need to continue!
Not everyone wants a 4,000-pound Tesla with poor reliability and no buttons or steering feel!
@@delusion2987 are you saying a 4 cylinder Camaro would handle better or be more fun to drive than this?!
Been waiting for this car for a while. Its the perfect upgrade over the old 86.
Been waiting for this review, the way things are going you'll probably have the long form review out before the car is available for sale anywhere in stock.
Thanks so much guys.. fantastic episode 👏
I like how honest you guys are. Makes me trust your reviews when I can't test drive a car. Like the CTR.
Based upon the Dr. Goose Laff-O-Meter, this must be one helluva car.
Thanks for this.
I've waited for this car for a long time. Happy with the price point even if it is out of my range slightly. Just some more saving to do. But what I really love is how everyone says it drives so far. My fastest car right now has 255 hp from 1996 so this seems like a fun upgrade while still keeping the rwd platform of my previous cars. Can't wait to get behind the wheel
Nice touch with the ”Running in the 90s” song.
The car got that heritage after all
”If you opt for the manual”
Mate who would buy this as an automatic???
i know plenty of people who bought the automatic version of the first gen? boosted, wide bodied them or both
It got imported to some countries only in auto.
@@reemeruxd fake enthusiasts
95% of the buyers would
99% of people are just extremely lazy
Definitely waaaay more excited about the 86 than the Supra - actually was quite disappointed when the Supra came out.
Been waiting for this one!
Just got mine today. Most fun I’ve ever had in a car (I have an evo 8 an evo x and a 21 wrx). Kudos to Toyota and Subaru
Jack Saigon’s face couldn’t be more squished if Hello Kitty tried.
Whats his nationality?
Singapore
Jack……That helmet on your head. Lol.
Yup 🤣🤣🤣
You get a bowl of soup with that helmet? WHOA!!! Looks good on you though Jack! :) Great video as always.
I hope to get this car soon. Great review as always guys!