Not bashing anything. This car has been held back for far too long. Its very much similar to the car from 2014. When you look how far the TLX and G70 have gone in development makes me sad. Look at the ES350 interior and LC, this company is capable of more when they put the effort into it.
This car just isn't very good. While competitors did major updates to their cars, the IS has only been updated in minor ways. P.S. I test drove a 2021 IS350 today and while I liked it, I was happy to get back to my 2017 BMW 4-series.
Did you listen to the comparison to other cars in this segment? Just because it’s “nice” doesn’t mean it’s a good value or competitive in its class. An automotive journalist that holds back fair criticism isn’t worth my time. I appreciate the comparisons because that’s real journalism, not blind hype.
nice car doesn’t only mean it looks good, it also means that it has advanced equipments, competitive pricing, and good value compared to its class. The IS is definitely not one if them. If you don’t even know what the trade offs are even though they are clearly mentioned in the video already, then i really don’t know what to say.
100% true. The problem here is that this channel is for people who like full features. The other channels just have shorter form videos. If geese had clips I have no doubt they would go crazy in subs
As a 20-40 yo I would have mocked a person for buying any Lexus. I'm 55 now and I just bought a IS350 F Sport and I couldn't be happier. Most Lexus reviews never pick up on the reason why the demographic that buys a Lexus actually buys it. I've gotten to the stage where I'm mature enough to comfortably not care about other people's opinion on matters of taste or fashion or style. I know what I Iike and I don't need to justify. Get whatever you like. Good for you. I got this - and it's fucking great.
This channel helped inspire me to buy a Lexus. I got a certified used ES 350 and I absolutely love it! More than any vehicle I have ever owned or driven. It is remarkable. I put 50,000 miles on it in 15 months. There is no better vehicle for highway cruisin.
The only channel I can watch from beginning to end, the right amount of time, not 30min on visors, cup holders, purely on the soul of the car, thank you
When you think about it, this is perfectly on-brand for Toyota/Lexus. They make a reliable drivetrain and then keep it around forever. They make a quiet cabin and a overall nice experience. They make a car you can buy new and pass it on to your kids when they grow up and it’ll still be running 20 years from now with relatively few repairs. But they don’t take risks. They don’t make an exciting car. They don’t make a car that puts a smile on your face when you get behind the wheel. For some people none of that is a priority and that’s ok. If Toyota is the plain vanilla of the automotive world, then Lexus is the all-natural vanilla bean. The F sport adds some sprinkles, but it’s never gonna be a banana split.
Lmaoo this is actually a great review of this car and Toyota/Lexus in general. Although, I’ll add one point that semi disagree with you, that when they want to take a risk they go all out and are capable of insanely great things, (lfa for example.) However, I give you a Banana Split Sunday grade for your review
Toyota has to be making insane margins on this thing. 15 year old engine with a unneeded awd system that people will throw away money on. Not saying they should switch up the engines (reliability is awesome) but IS’s always blow me away when i see the new prices. Personally just cant justify spending $50k on a car that’s extremely similar the 2006 is350. (Amazing used cars though)
@@RK1FX for what? Its a sub 300 wheel hp car. The rwd equipped model’s suspension literally doesn’t slide out on you anyway. Ive driven one in rain mulitple times and snow a few times. You’ll be ok lol if you’re up north you have winter tires anyway
@@SicSemperBeats As the major auto manufacturers move to "green" automobiles and the old reliable engines are retired, what may happen then? I know I won't spend my money on new technology. And I know there's the Prius and I've driven it. Would I really want one? Nope.
I agree with you, RWD is the only way to go unless you for some reason need AWD. I have a 2021 IS 350 F Sport RWD and am coming from a 2016 IS 300 AWD F Sport. The 8 speed feels more modern than the 6 speed, and my 2021 rides way better. It also comes with summer tires from factory that are far better than the awful all seasons that came on my 2016 AWD. Mine doesn't have the Dynamic Handling Pack, but it's got the Mark Levinson sound system, which is fantastic. I think that, for an IS 350 that's under $50 grand, it's actually a good value due to all the safety tech that's standard as well as ventilated seats and a heated steering wheel. I have been liking it a lot as a daily driver and even took it on a mountain run and had a good time there too. It may seem dated in a few ways, but the fact remains that it is awesome to live with day to day. My two cents? Unless you need F Sport in your life, and you need AWD, just get the 300 AWD. It has the same engine and is about as fast as a 350 RWD from 0-60 anyway.
@@JJS432 Yeah that is unfortunate. Though, you can also get the 300 AWD with F Sport in Canada, which is kinda neat. In the US, only 350 models have F Sport.
I leased a 2021 is 350 FS for my wife. We love it. The car is so much fun to drive, I don’t know how fast these guys want to go, but our AWD hauls @ss it corners great, handling is amazing, interior is Beautiful, the seats hug you and keep you in place during performance cornering and it turns heads. Well worth 55k, IMO.
@@anonymous00117 I've driven lots of fun cars, too. I previously owned a GTI, I've rented lots of fun cars, like recently, a Boxster S, and a Camaro SS convertible. However I think the IS 350 still holds up as being a great car to use every day while being super capable on a back road. I won't say it's not fun just because it doesn't have 400 horsepower or 1.0 g's of skidpad grip. It's just a lot of fun and responsive to drive. Sure, the AWD car has a dated drivetrain. I don't disagree there. But the RWD version is a different thing.
One of the most accurate and balanced opinions I have read. Have driven the full range of new IS vehicles as service loaners over the past year. Surprised at how old the car felt to drive and especially the interior. I also question the reliability of modern Lexus vehicles. Have had 14 visits to the dealer this year for my 2 vehicles. By the way, I bought a Lexus rcf, heavily influenced by your review. Fantastic daily driver. Keep providing excellent reviews as it greatly helps the manufacturers and people like myself who actually purchase the product.
Doesn't the stuff about the car feeling old also apply to your RCF? I mean the cars have the same platform and almost identical interiors - if anything the new IS will feel newer than your RCF.
A lot of you are forgetting that a lot of people don't live in warmer climates where RWD is perfectly capable but those us that live in the Midwest/Northern states...AWD is the only way to go with the harsh winters we have.
"Probably going to very reliable and not bend you over at dealership when you get this thing serviced" and that is all you need to know about owning a Lexus
Great, thoughtful, informative review as always. Lexus reviews are generally about 90% predictable but you still have to go through the motions I guess, and you guys do it as well as anyone.
SG subscribers don't wanna hear about "Quirks and Features" and "weekend scores" that gets old real quick. The sooner people wake up this channel will have over a million subs. Keep up the Good Work Guys. Malik. Atl, Ga. 🇺🇸
I'm interested in knowing quirks and features of cars which I'd never be able to purchase. Its alright to be interested in all of Savagegeese, Doug, matt watson, Rory from auto trader, throttle house etc.
This car is handsome. Being handsome means a great many flaws can be forgiven because darn, you look so good going down the road. Sometimes, certain people want beauty above all else.
Beautiful car and I do love mine…now imagine this vehicle with panoramic sunroof, ambient lighting, F Sport Stamped front seats, power rear view mirrors, HUD, phone charger, Mark Levinson audio/Triple LED Headlights on all models, new infotainment (NX)….that would have been a Lexurious launch for the IS 500/350 in 2022! Thanks for a great review!
I completely agree with your take on this spec of the IS. If I were buying, I would probably go with the IS500 or the IS350 RWD with the dynamic handling package as well. The only reason you would choose the Lexus over the German Sports Sedans or Genesis is depreciation and resale value. Anything Lexus holds its value and even if you trade every 3-5 years like I tend to do, you still get better residual value on the back side when you go to trade this in.
My living room set up is literally my computer hooked up to a 70" 4k TV & Custom sound system. Who needs Satellite or Cable TV when you have the internet?
Hard Sell? I’m a big fan of you , however this is one video I don’t agree with . Lexus IS has sold more units than a lot of sedans in 2021. 63% change vs 2020. I owned a BMW 540i money pit and switched over to a 2022 IS. IS don’t compare in straight line acceleration of a B58, zf tran, rear and trunk space however IS handles so well, excellent fit and finish, most comfortable seats , better sound system than HK on BMW and solid reliability of a V6 workhorse and classic sound piping of the V6. It’s fast just don’t expect the turbo punch . There is something called overall package and stress free experience than just acceleration and tech specs. I enjoy driving the IS 350 FSport for day to day over my BMW and also peace of mind knowing I can push it everyday and not worry about a coolant expansion tank leak or vanos solenoid failure at 40k miles .
Something worth noting here is that lexus tend to lease REALLY well due to that reliability/resale value. Wife and I got one for her because the cost to lease a standard 4cyl was so much less than the German competition.
Now now. In fairness to those guys, they do explore issues that are arguably less essential in their reviews, but they are nonetheless things a lot of car shoppers care about. And a lot of people find them fun and entertaining.
Lexus has a lot of haters, but the fact remains that they make reliable, comfortable vehicles that make you look like a respectable human being to clients and business partners
No they're not. It's more like they don't want to discontinue it while it's still selling, but it's not worth it to invest into actually developing a next gen product. Rather than milking it, they're being uncertain about it's future. I almost wish they discontinued it respectfully. It's a shame, because their designers are incredible. This thing looks absolutely stunning. It deserves so much better than this. Heck, they could've kept most of the platform the same and just put the 3.5L twin turbo V6 from the LS and updated the interior with their new touch screen system like in the new NX, and this would've done really well. It's sad to see something so beautiful get neglected like this.
There are cars that get lukewarm reviews that ultimately become used car treasures because of reliability and resale. Lexus has been contributing to this category of car since the brand hit the scene and up until now, about 50-60 percent of their models made that list. Pretty sure this will be on that list over the 200T and other turbo or hybrid models.
Always thankful to have an enthusiast reviewer who also holds these companies accountable for not reaching the bar. Just got my SG shirt in, can't wait to wear it to the next car meet!
You guys the best car reviewers on You-Tube hands down. Criminally under-rated, however those who know, know how good we have it here! Thank you Mark and Jack 💪👊 🍺🍺🍺
This is what happens when a company rests on its laurels and banks on decades of 'reliability rep'. You end up refreshing an 8 year old platform with a 15 year old engine that's uninspiring compared to literally anything else on the market.
Right. I'm not sure what the IS350 is really bringing that a fully loaded Mazda3 isn't for 15k+ less at this point. A few details like ventilated seats and better audio system and technically RWD. Even the predicted reliability. I say this as someone who seriously cross-shopped these 2 but didn't see enough compelling reasons to go with the Lexus. product.
The Japanese automakers are still recovering from the 08 financial crisis. You can see it in their design/tech; they fell far behind the rest of the world and had to keep producing high margin older vehicles to get by. I really hope they start to push forward again.
Reliability means everything to me I don’t fucking care how much better the car might be it’s not better if it’s going to break sooner I mean that is crap and I will be the number one thing for me and everything on the second
I typically like your reviews but you guys are def BMW guys even as Lexus owners. I have a F30 328D & now a 21 IS350F you guys literally missed out on the outside styling etc not all people have your taste. Secondly I have a bmw already more people than you think own multiple cars. I’m kinda disappointed in your review of this. Most of your reviews are good but not this one. I went with the reliability of the Lexus vs bmw because let’s face it, BMW isn’t lasting 300k well my Diesel will but most won’t. You missed the things that I’m unhappy with the creature comforts piwer mirrors , no memory seats, some don’t come with sports + just sports, maybe you guys were crunched for time idk. Anyway thanks for the video and thoughts. The ZF is prob the best transmission out ever but they hired ZF for that. I’d much rather have a 3.5 vs the 2.0 turbo. Put that 3.5 with a ZF then you’re talking. But the 2.0T is a turd. That’s why I went with a turbo diesel in my BMW torque for days. For all the fanboys I’m not trying to beat anyone up, just my thoughts is all.
What pisses me off is the fact that couldn’t even be bothered to redesign the climate control or improve the hp/tq significantly. You’re better off buying a ES 350 F sport. Good review fellas!
As a previous bmw owner 3 series owner who moved to Lexus IS, this guy is blatantly wrong in his conclusion for several reasons: 1. Bmw did not make frequent evolutions out of discretion but rather out of necessity. Their original 4 cylinder engine has a timing chain tensioner failure issue that causes the engine to break entirely. Beyond that, gaskets are leaky, plastic charge pipes crack and leak boost and plastic valve cover will warp and require replacement. 2. The Bmw has a notably less attractive exterior with lower cosmetic and mechanical build quality. 3. The Bmw has less comfortable seats and a stiffer less refined suspension. 4. Lexus gives you significantly more options and trim for significantly less money. A similarly equipped Bmw 330i will run you about 7-10k more than a is300 f sport series 2 (in Canada). Bmw does have a number of advantages including a god-level transmission, agility, performance and a more contemporary designed interior. Overall, for the average buyer, the Lexus strongpoints presents greater utility. The superior build quality + fit and finish create a greater sense of occasion. The better seats and more refined suspension makes for a more comfortable ride. The ability to have a worry-free mid-long term ownership is comforting. Beyond this, although the Lexus is slower and less agile, the Bmw 330i is by no means a fast car. We’re still dealing with entry level luxury 4 door sedans with sub 260hp.
Not gonna bash you for your opinion, since I'd rather you be honest with us about how you feel. But I will say I do disagree with much of your take. I guess it all depends on perspective, but to be getting a pretty powerful car (311 hp), perhaps the most beautiful exterior in the segment, a creak-free, rock solid interior with the best build quality you'll find, and class-leading reliability... I mean there's very little not to like. Every one of this car's competitors come with trade-offs of their own.
at least the price reflects the age. You can get a IS350 F Sport rwd at $43k, which is a great deal for 8 speed auto, limited slip diff and a good reliable motor(more like $48k bc options per comment) . Screw the AWD car
The only way to get a limited slip diff in the IS350 F Sport is to get the F Sport Dynamic Handling Package, which costs $4200. So you're looking at $48,650, or $44,450 without the F Sport DHP.
Yeah this was on my top 3 on buying a new car in 2020,, but then I got into 2016 LS460 F-sport 35k miles with an extended warranty for less than a new IS250. Love my ls460
I'm really late to the party, but I think it's a good, concise review. However, despite some of the dings I feel this is likely going to be the car for me. I'm looking for good bad weather performance as I live at high altitude and things can get nasty in an instant. I'm looking for comfort and more performance than what you'd get out of a normal commuter car but I don't need to have my face ripped off. I want a car I know is solid enough to drive 20+ years, and this drivetrain is proven. Not just reliability, but durability. I want this car to last me into retirement so I can focus on my other cars. If I want a bit more spirit, I'll take my BMW or even reach for the keys to Toyota's first AWD car and have fun. The IS will be for comfort and a driving experience that will be more spirited than a crossover, SUV, or EV.
This is the fastest selling luxury car in America. Hard sell? Obviously not. The numbers speak for themselves. Hard sell for car nerds maybe, but not the general population. You obviously don't have a read on the pulse of car buyers
Interesting review but you can keep your Beemer's, Audi's, Nissan's, or whatever else you two were referring to in this car's "segment"... How are those "performance" cars with all the failure prone features working out for you when she's sitting in the shop awaiting expensive, unobtainium parts from Germany or wherever ? Personally, I've had it with the "high performance" junk that passes for "highest rated". I'll take the "boring" refinement, reliability, and over-engineering of the IS any day over ANY of the other cars being compared to. I made the switch to Lexus about 5 years ago and would recommend it to anybody unless you have lots of patience and money to burn on these other cars in the "segment".
I really had the intention buying the IS500. But of course they had to ditch the European market. I'm not mad or anything. I can understand that decision. But the design of this car - it just stands out so much compared to A6, 5 Series and E Class. It really is a shame. Both the 3.5L V6 and the 5.0L V8 are amazing engines
For me personally, yes the reliability is very much worth the trade offs. Then when you factor in the lack of expensive repairs and pricey maintenance, the price point makes a lot more sense.
I agree. Less time at the dealer is less headache for you as the owner. Even if you bring it to the dealer the Lexus dealers treat you very well. This is a car I'd put my money down on whereas the Germans I'd just lease.
Hey guys, I’ve been watching for some time and I gotta say those intros are straight bangers. Love the fact you guys are all about quality and are not afraid to joke around like that Buick Encore review.. I was laughing my ass off. You guys have literally established a whole new way to review cars I didn’t even know I wanted. Keep up the great work!
If you keep the IS350 under $50k, its a solid value Looks great, more powerful than most sedans in this price range, solid performer, and a reliable, trustworthy companion.
I bought one recently 2021 is350 awd personally no complaint but I wanted reliability and was ok with it being little short on performance for myself I had a 02 ls430 before the feature were dope on that car way ahead of it’s time but I do like this car a lot with no complaints
I drove the 300 and 350 back to back. The 2L feels better around town because the torque band is much lower in the rev range. The 350 is way more fun though
Bought a 350 rwd 2 months ago absolutely love it. No complains. Yes maybe not as fast as a M340i but a nicely equipped M340i is 60-62k… my msrp was 49 so I think this car is almost like in a class of it’s own between a 330 and a 340
Honestly, I think the 350 RWD is only at 330i level but even if you use an M340i (nearly fully loaded) as example I think it should not exceed 60k before rebate. Although, I understand the price could be quite different depending on your location. I think Lexus's service will be superior to BMW based on my personal experience.
Honest assessment of this series. My pick = the is350 RWD w/ F-Sport package when its 5 years old. The depreciation makes it good value proposition being a Toyota product.
100% agree, I own a 2015 rc350 f sport and I love my car, but I’d never buy it brand new off the dealership 😅 too bad they won’t launch is500 in Australian market, it could be my ultimate dream car in 5-7years
Most people who buy the IS350 awd will never know the difference from the RWD version. Those people living in the north east will want the security in having AWD.
If you're into leasing and changing every three years then a BMW is for you. If you're going to keep forever, then always buy a Toyota, and never a German car unless you're going to learn to fix it and buy all the diagnostics and go to automotive training. Yes, RELIABILITY is what a Toyota is all about. Its a pity these cars are not offered in Turbo in all ranges.
Ohh well. Got my 350 awd iridium and black with the standard suspension. Sounds great, drives great, looks fantastic, and I don’t see the 6 speed as a negative. Barring a wreck, this will be my car for a decade and I love every time I drive it.
The six-speed makes it slower and less fuel-efficient than its competitors. If you came from an older car with five or six speeds it no doubt feels very normal, but it could be better. The performance of that low-torque engine is emphasized by the transmission.
@@markmiller3279 If one is spreadsheet-shopping, they won't buy an IS. Clearly, Chidoro41 is not a spreadhseet shopper. However, I also ended up in a 2021 IS 350 (RWD, in my case), and I can acknowledge it's an imperfect car. But damn it if it isn't fun to drive on a back road and doesn't sound great too. Not to mention those seats are incredible.
@@markmiller3279 the fun of the car is the linear build up of the speed . Yes, gas mileage is pretty lousy but six speeds is enough as you get the build up in each gear. The unit is bullet proof which I value more highly than losing out on low end torque. I was on the fence with an A4 and the TLX but couldn’t trust the Audi enough to own (even though it was my favorite to drive) and the TLX was very disappointing.
Amazing looking refresh, quality reliable and naturally aspirated. Pretty much a perfectly well balanced car for daily and foul weather. Not surprising it's selling so incredibly well
Car is garbage. So far behond the competion its embarrassing. And this from a lexus fan and 3IS owner. They need an all new properly competitive IS and to stop pushing crappy SUVs and ancient tech as new
@@freepadz6241 no thanks, I'll take tried and tested over new hot garbage that breaks. Also for the love of god leave the gear swifters as they are had bmw and mercedes electronic shifters. I just want a comfy quick reliable car that is good in foul weather and this does all that
Respect your opinion. Personally, i prefer this car precisely because it feels dated. I'm just not a fan of the computerized feeling i get from the new generation. To me, the IS is plenty quick and super engaging in the mountains. If i want more speed, I'll look into the RCF or something.
I have a 2016 IS350 F and it's not slow but not fast... but... till now it's worth more than any 2016 335I even with 98k hahaha. That's the beauty of it. End of the day it's up to your budget
I've had the pleasure of driving just about all of the variants of the newer IS, and it couldn't have been said better. No matter what, you are going to get a comfortable, reliable sport Sedan that looks fantastic. However, how you decide to spec out the IS will make or break the driving experience. The first new IS I drove was an IS300 AWD. That one left a very poor taste in my mouth until I had the chance to drive an IS350 F-sport with the handling package, with just about every option. From a driving dynamics standpoint, it felt like a completely different car. Sure, the 3.5l V6 still isn't gonna push you to the back of your seat, but its more than enough to party around, especially on the twisty backroads.
I own 2016 IS300 AWD with only 40k miles on it when it comes to driving, handling and precision I love it. For 250lb guys seats are way to small my civic is way more roomy.
Also, i cross shopped all those cars that you mentioned and still ended up with the lexus for a variety of reasons, that being said, i’ll also be keeping it 10 yrs plus. There was just no contest when looking at longevity
@@dragospahontu Definitely looking at a 3-Series and the like. I personally know people that cross shopped them with 3-Series and C-Class. My dad swapped his A4 for an IS. I've honestly never heard anybody I am related to, friends with or work with talking about picking up a Camry or cross shopping the two. But maybe where you're located its possibly different.
Lexus needs to genuinely consider a all new IS with better interior and powertrain. This IS350 AWD is powertrain dates back to 2006.and most of the interior parts (2014+). This is especially unfair on a 55k+ Fully Loaded/Optioned trim. The exterior looks good, maybe even one of the best in the segment but that ain't helping here. You can have a loaded 3.3T G70 with is a lot better car compared to this for couple grands less.
I think one of the problem is Lexus IS isn't selling, and they cannot justify the the ROI for R&D, it's a chicken and egg problem. I had a 2002 IS long time ago, and have driven late models too, and I really don't think the current gen is competitive at all, I mean they are reliable, I'd buy a used if I plan to keep it...
@@MikeForsythe My claim was largely supported by pre-refresh sales vs competitor, the IS sales was very weak, yes right now we have a refresh, of course you see an increase in sales, to judge whether it's competitive or not you can't just look at first year. Also there's a huge supply (chip or not) constraint now, by claiming it's all sold out doesn't necessarily mean it's actually selling a lot. I agree that the industry wide shortage is making the analysis hard to compare. The only brand that still have lots of cars on dealer lot are Fiat and Alfa, I don't think anyone can use the fact that you can't find the car on dealer lot to support the claim that they are all selling really well.
Always enjoy watching your honest reviews guys!! Keep up the good work, I really found your videos useful when coming to purchasing a car and really helped me make the call based on your driving impressions!!
All the cars in the segment are turbo charged. Sorry reliability is big for me and not being stung by the dealership. Its not like you are taking it on a track so for everyday driving it will be fine.
Love love love that exterior/interior color combo. Would have it on the FSport or whatever the performance model is called and be completely happy for the next 20 years.
Archaic, yet has Android Auto/Apple Carplay capability with split-screen Android Auto, a 17-speaker, 1800 watt sound system, a whole bunch of safety/driver-assist tech standard. Just don't buy the AWD model.
i love lexus and a huge fan of the is but the drive train is from 2007 right? then the interior and chassis is from 2014. $45,000 is a lot of money, dont bring up reliability because thats not enough. I really wish they would just fully remodel it, and a new transmission and engine and interior. also that bump next to the gas pedal is so annoying
I have had a few 2GRs over the years. It’s an engine that’s been jammed into everything from a Corolla to a 4WD, and it fits the place of either just as well. It’s amazing to think of how long it’s really been around for, and truly how many cars it powers everywhere. I’ve currently got a GS450H which is a hybrid 2GR as well, and in a car that’s near 2 tonnes that gets the fuel economy that it does, and is still able to deliver the power when needed, it’s amazing. I don’t really care for the complexity of modern engines, and to have an option that delivers 310HP with seemingly infinite reliability and excellent refinement, I think is more than enough.
@@WTCHME i can see where ur coming from and totally agree but u gotta agree there comes a point where its time for a upgrade, competition is getting too high, my main complaint is just from the transmission, its not fast and smooth enough to call refined in the year 2021 and its really still gonna carry into 2022 inside the IS. Also the fact that u can get a is300 “f sport” and still have less horsepower than a v6 camry is just annoying
This is not the engine from 2007, the 2 gr has evolved alot since then. Watch the car care nut, he talks about this in great detail since he's a mechanic at Toyota .
amazing content as always. i also really love these IS variants. i think Toyota/Lexus did a fantastic job styling the vehicle overall. alot of good stuff here
The funny thing is, these are selling very well in the States. Like, *really* well. Sure, it might not be the most advanced in the segment, nor the fastest, or really anything else, for that matter, but there's just something in the way that this IS feels. I would take a RWD IS350 F Sport any day over a 330i. The IS just feels a little bit special, while the 330i just kind of... doesn't. Don't get me wrong, The 330i is very good, and definitely more capable than the IS, but it feels flat and a little bit boring. I feel there's a reason that these Lexuses (Lexii?) are selling well, and it's not because "consumers are stupid and don't think about anything" as you said. That was very disrespectful and a massive let-down in an otherwise very well-constructed review, and gave me doubts about your credibility as a reviewer. Sorry, but I'll have to leave a dislike on this one.
You actually inadvertently agreed that this car just isn't enough for the price. This car isn't going against the BMW 330i. This is supposed to be their M340i comparable and it isn't close in any way to an M340i: driving dynamics, speed, comfort, interior, design, etc. all go to BMW. It's sold almost purely on exterior and reliability which makes no difference as all the new cars will last 5 years and that's generally when people get new cars.
@@jonathannavarro6679 Isn't the M340i a little more than $10,000 more expensive than the IS350 F Sport? Price-wise this car is priced equivalent to the 330i. You should be comparing the IS500 to the M340i, and the IS350 F Sport to the 330i with the M Sport Package. You can verify that with a quick Google search if you like.
@@thefatcatcompany2021 No, not quite that much more. The IS 350 F sport with the dynamic handling which is a must puts it right into the M340i's price range. A fully loaded M340i will be more than a fully loaded IS 350, however. I am certain they are in the same tier in Lexus' eyes because I was initially looking to get the IS 350 F sport. Do you know what they wanted for the base model IS 350 F sport plus the dynamic handling package? They told me $60,000. Even $58,000 would have been laughable. You can get a fully loaded 330i for around $53,000. Secondly, I asked them who they view their competitors as and they said this is in line with the M340i, G70, etc. That's from Lexus to my ears. They view the IS500 as an M3 competitor which again completely blows away the IS500. I agree with your take. The IS500 is more a comparable to the M340i and the IS 350 to the 330i, however that isn't how Lexus views it nor how they market them. EDIT: just hopped on both sites and priced out the 2022 M340i with significant upgrades and the IS 350 F sport and the BMW came out to be just $1,000 more. Neither having all the upgrades. I purchased my M340i fully loaded for $60,500. Lexus is a ripoff at their asking price for what they offer.
@@jonathannavarro6679 It's not a "must" unless you are either being a total idiot or taking the car to the track. The car has plenty of traction. Maybe if you want to do donuts it's a must.
One thing the awd is actually really good in is in no ideal weather and roads. Not just in the snow but in the rain too. I'll take my car to the mountains often and having awd is nice peace of mind. I'm not rock climbing or anything just not ideal roads going up there
Also, not everyone can put snow tires on since it's too warm in the city center where they live but just taking short trips to the mountains where conditions change radically is where you have the capability without white knuckles.
Looking at this car for next year. Wife's BMW in the shop- the loaner was a new 330i. Yes, fast. Slight turbo lag. Odd rattle here and there. But, this 3 series is now the size of an old 5 series. Seats are stiff and suspension set up too firm. Wife and i agreed not comfortable for long drives. Stopped by Lexus dealer and looked at IS350. Sat in it- fit like a glove. It felt special. I like the notchy shifter and actual dials on the dash. Felt like a jet cockpit. NA V6 is old school cool. Did not drive it. 2023 IS350 AWD with moonroof and DHP is $48,500. I am intrigued what Lexus will do with the IS in fall 2023. I might be a new customer. Savagegeese- not everyone leases and not everyone hits the track.
I was cross shopping the TLX and several others as well, but the deal breaker was the fact that it is built in America now. Probably doesn't matter practically though.
It's a beautiful car from acura but I just really love the Lexus styling. The acura TL after 2008 went left for me. The styling was super ugly and lacked character. Finally the TLX looks like it should and I'm loving it plus the Integra will be back next year and omg I can't wait!!
I enjoy watching your reviews Mark and Jack but I just (after all these years) can't come at the grill. The other thing is that Lexus still insist on the finger control pad in the console which to me, is a safety issue as your eyes have to be off the road longer as you watch on the screen what you are printing.
@@Tool0GT92 the only thing I don't like is the fact that the interior space is tiny compared to the competition. It's enough for a Japanese man but not for me
unnecessarily bashing a nice car…idk what trade offs you’re talking about
Not bashing anything. This car has been held back for far too long. Its very much similar to the car from 2014. When you look how far the TLX and G70 have gone in development makes me sad. Look at the ES350 interior and LC, this company is capable of more when they put the effort into it.
It's typical Toyota, overcharging for reliability.
This car just isn't very good. While competitors did major updates to their cars, the IS has only been updated in minor ways.
P.S. I test drove a 2021 IS350 today and while I liked it, I was happy to get back to my 2017 BMW 4-series.
Did you listen to the comparison to other cars in this segment? Just because it’s “nice” doesn’t mean it’s a good value or competitive in its class. An automotive journalist that holds back fair criticism isn’t worth my time. I appreciate the comparisons because that’s real journalism, not blind hype.
nice car doesn’t only mean it looks good, it also means that it has advanced equipments, competitive pricing, and good value compared to its class. The IS is definitely not one if them. If you don’t even know what the trade offs are even though they are clearly mentioned in the video already, then i really don’t know what to say.
I'm realizing I don't give a shit about 85% of these cars... but I'll be damned if I miss an episode lol
Glad to see you guys crested the 500k sub mark. Lets get these guys to 1M, they deserve it lot more than the other clickbaiters out there!
Maybe he needs to flail his arms a little more during his videos.
Truer words have never been spoken.
100% true. The problem here is that this channel is for people who like full features. The other channels just have shorter form videos. If geese had clips I have no doubt they would go crazy in subs
@@82dupont leave the flailing act to Scotty Kilmer
Agreed
You guys really need an ending section, "What would I rather get in this segment for that money".
As a 20-40 yo I would have mocked a person for buying any Lexus. I'm 55 now and I just bought a IS350 F Sport and I couldn't be happier. Most Lexus reviews never pick up on the reason why the demographic that buys a Lexus actually buys it. I've gotten to the stage where I'm mature enough to comfortably not care about other people's opinion on matters of taste or fashion or style. I know what I Iike and I don't need to justify. Get whatever you like. Good for you. I got this - and it's fucking great.
With all these issues, you cannot find them in the dealers right now. I think the exterior update is the big factor! It is really beautiful!
This channel helped inspire me to buy a Lexus. I got a certified used ES 350 and I absolutely love it! More than any vehicle I have ever owned or driven. It is remarkable. I put 50,000 miles on it in 15 months. There is no better vehicle for highway cruisin.
Until you sit in a LS... you clearly mean "no better vehicle for highway cruising FOR THE PRICE"
The only channel I can watch from beginning to end, the right amount of time, not 30min on visors, cup holders, purely on the soul of the car, thank you
Blondie with super cars 😂
When you think about it, this is perfectly on-brand for Toyota/Lexus. They make a reliable drivetrain and then keep it around forever. They make a quiet cabin and a overall nice experience. They make a car you can buy new and pass it on to your kids when they grow up and it’ll still be running 20 years from now with relatively few repairs.
But they don’t take risks. They don’t make an exciting car. They don’t make a car that puts a smile on your face when you get behind the wheel. For some people none of that is a priority and that’s ok.
If Toyota is the plain vanilla of the automotive world, then Lexus is the all-natural vanilla bean. The F sport adds some sprinkles, but it’s never gonna be a banana split.
Do you write for auto mags? Because that was well written.
That’s why I’m super excited for the IS500. Putting a V8 in this car is exactly something I want
They don't make exciting cars? That's just disingenuous. LC 500? RCF? GSF? ISF? LFA?
Amazing comment*
Lmaoo this is actually a great review of this car and Toyota/Lexus in general. Although, I’ll add one point that semi disagree with you, that when they want to take a risk they go all out and are capable of insanely great things, (lfa for example.) However, I give you a Banana Split Sunday grade for your review
Toyota has to be making insane margins on this thing. 15 year old engine with a unneeded awd system that people will throw away money on. Not saying they should switch up the engines (reliability is awesome) but IS’s always blow me away when i see the new prices. Personally just cant justify spending $50k on a car that’s extremely similar the 2006 is350. (Amazing used cars though)
I need awd.
When Toyoda loses its reliable reputation it will be curtains for the brand. Toyoda's are, and have been ugly vehicles.
@@RK1FX for what? Its a sub 300 wheel hp car. The rwd equipped model’s suspension literally doesn’t slide out on you anyway. Ive driven one in rain mulitple times and snow a few times. You’ll be ok lol if you’re up north you have winter tires anyway
@@scurfie2343 that will never happen. They use the same engines for decades, how would the reliability magically go down if the parts stay the same?
@@SicSemperBeats As the major auto manufacturers move to "green" automobiles and the old reliable engines are retired, what may happen then? I know I won't spend my money on new technology. And I know there's the Prius and I've driven it. Would I really want one? Nope.
I agree with you, RWD is the only way to go unless you for some reason need AWD. I have a 2021 IS 350 F Sport RWD and am coming from a 2016 IS 300 AWD F Sport. The 8 speed feels more modern than the 6 speed, and my 2021 rides way better. It also comes with summer tires from factory that are far better than the awful all seasons that came on my 2016 AWD. Mine doesn't have the Dynamic Handling Pack, but it's got the Mark Levinson sound system, which is fantastic. I think that, for an IS 350 that's under $50 grand, it's actually a good value due to all the safety tech that's standard as well as ventilated seats and a heated steering wheel. I have been liking it a lot as a daily driver and even took it on a mountain run and had a good time there too. It may seem dated in a few ways, but the fact remains that it is awesome to live with day to day.
My two cents? Unless you need F Sport in your life, and you need AWD, just get the 300 AWD. It has the same engine and is about as fast as a 350 RWD from 0-60 anyway.
Will you trade in your car for the 500 F
@@mathew936 My wife's not a fan of that idea, so probably not for a couple years if at all. Time will tell.
Or unless the 350 in your country only comes in AWD - Canada.
@@JJS432 Yeah that is unfortunate. Though, you can also get the 300 AWD with F Sport in Canada, which is kinda neat. In the US, only 350 models have F Sport.
@@ARentz07 how much was the sticker price of your is 350 f sport ?
Good review but I think I will keep my 2001 IS300. Had it 21 years 235k miles. Best car ever.
I leased a 2021 is 350 FS for my wife. We love it. The car is so much fun to drive, I don’t know how fast these guys want to go, but our AWD hauls @ss it corners great, handling is amazing, interior is Beautiful, the seats hug you and keep you in place during performance cornering and it turns heads. Well worth 55k, IMO.
@@anonymous00117 I've driven lots of fun cars, too. I previously owned a GTI, I've rented lots of fun cars, like recently, a Boxster S, and a Camaro SS convertible. However I think the IS 350 still holds up as being a great car to use every day while being super capable on a back road. I won't say it's not fun just because it doesn't have 400 horsepower or 1.0 g's of skidpad grip. It's just a lot of fun and responsive to drive. Sure, the AWD car has a dated drivetrain. I don't disagree there. But the RWD version is a different thing.
One of the most accurate and balanced opinions I have read. Have driven the full range of new IS vehicles as service loaners over the past year. Surprised at how old the car felt to drive and especially the interior.
I also question the reliability of modern Lexus vehicles. Have had 14 visits to the dealer this year for my 2 vehicles.
By the way, I bought a Lexus rcf, heavily influenced by your review. Fantastic daily driver.
Keep providing excellent reviews as it greatly helps the manufacturers and people like myself who actually purchase the product.
I work at a Lexus dealership good review but I think your missing the point
Doesn't the stuff about the car feeling old also apply to your RCF? I mean the cars have the same platform and almost identical interiors - if anything the new IS will feel newer than your RCF.
@@johnp1899 what's the word on reliability of newer models? is the electronics the reason why some cars need more maintenance?
A lot of you are forgetting that a lot of people don't live in warmer climates where RWD is perfectly capable but those us that live in the Midwest/Northern states...AWD is the only way to go with the harsh winters we have.
"Probably going to very reliable and not bend you over at dealership when you get this thing serviced" and that is all you need to know about owning a Lexus
Except if you bring a Lexus to a Lexus dealer for any out of pocket services or repairs your paying 190 per hr
as long as its not a hybrid..
Oh I get bent over every time, but I do very rarely need to get bent over.
yea japanese parts are still imported and marked up......its still dumb expensive.
@@danr154 its under warranty..
I just bought a 2023 IS 350 F sport in ultra white and a white interior. It gets a lot of looks and its a pleasure to drive.
What did you pay for yours , I’m looking into getting one in the coming months , planning on dropping atkeast 15k grand on a down payment for one!
@cesarculajay9830 54K. Traded in a 2014 4runner for 24K. Registration was about 1.3K, and insurance is 130 a month.
Great, thoughtful, informative review as always. Lexus reviews are generally about 90% predictable but you still have to go through the motions I guess, and you guys do it as well as anyone.
SG subscribers don't wanna hear about "Quirks and Features" and "weekend scores" that gets old real quick.
The sooner people wake up this channel will have over a million subs.
Keep up the Good Work Guys.
Malik.
Atl, Ga. 🇺🇸
Speak for yourself. Some people wanna hear from multiple sources, and that's good too.
Not signing my name.
Because this isn't an email.
Atlanta, GA
Agree a million percent, Malik
I'm interested in knowing quirks and features of cars which I'd never be able to purchase. Its alright to be interested in all of Savagegeese, Doug, matt watson, Rory from auto trader, throttle house etc.
This car is handsome. Being handsome means a great many flaws can be forgiven because darn, you look so good going down the road. Sometimes, certain people want beauty above all else.
Yep absolutely correct
Handsome and reliability is what woman seek. Lol
Idk.. my old Benz bent me over at the dealership.. 5k to fix it at 70k miles. I doubt a Lexus will do that. And that seams like a priority
Beautiful car and I do love mine…now imagine this vehicle with panoramic sunroof, ambient lighting, F Sport Stamped front seats, power rear view mirrors, HUD, phone charger, Mark Levinson audio/Triple LED Headlights on all models, new infotainment (NX)….that would have been a Lexurious launch for the IS 500/350 in 2022!
Thanks for a great review!
I completely agree with your take on this spec of the IS. If I were buying, I would probably go with the IS500 or the IS350 RWD with the dynamic handling package as well. The only reason you would choose the Lexus over the German Sports Sedans or Genesis is depreciation and resale value. Anything Lexus holds its value and even if you trade every 3-5 years like I tend to do, you still get better residual value on the back side when you go to trade this in.
Woah. Watch this on a TV or at least a monitor. It's crazy how much better these videos get.
Quality production for sure.
My living room set up is literally my computer hooked up to a 70" 4k TV & Custom sound system.
Who needs Satellite or Cable TV when you have the internet?
Hard Sell? I’m a big fan of you , however this is one video I don’t agree with . Lexus IS has sold more units than a lot of sedans in 2021. 63% change vs 2020. I owned a BMW 540i money pit and switched over to a 2022 IS. IS don’t compare in straight line acceleration of a B58, zf tran, rear and trunk space however IS handles so well, excellent fit and finish, most comfortable seats , better sound system than HK on BMW and solid reliability of a V6 workhorse and classic sound piping of the V6. It’s fast just don’t expect the turbo punch . There is something called overall package and stress free experience than just acceleration and tech specs. I enjoy driving the IS 350 FSport for day to day over my BMW and also peace of mind knowing I can push it everyday and not worry about a coolant expansion tank leak or vanos solenoid failure at 40k miles .
Something worth noting here is that lexus tend to lease REALLY well due to that reliability/resale value. Wife and I got one for her because the cost to lease a standard 4cyl was so much less than the German competition.
Hi Mr. Savage,
Thanks for not ranting about satellite radio and visors.
BOX TEST
And why a new Santa Cruz or any soccer mom mid-sized suv isn’t good off-road? Smh….
Now now. In fairness to those guys, they do explore issues that are arguably less essential in their reviews, but they are nonetheless things a lot of car shoppers care about. And a lot of people find them fun and entertaining.
@@MLHunt Too loud, too fast. This savagegeese video was well paced and actually soothing to watch.
@@bleckndecker Which is wrong. These vehicles can do a lot when you don't compare them to a Wrangler.
All other things aside, the exterior Is *GORGEOUS*
I always watch this channel but never commented.
You are the best car reviewer in the world.
Being a mature, professional young adult, the Lexus IS350 is all I’ve ever wanted.
The official car of your late 20s
Yet for the same money, you could have so much more..
Lexus has a lot of haters, but the fact remains that they make reliable, comfortable vehicles that make you look like a respectable human being to clients and business partners
Toyota is milking the shit out of this generation IS
Just like the Dodge Charger
No they're not. It's more like they don't want to discontinue it while it's still selling, but it's not worth it to invest into actually developing a next gen product. Rather than milking it, they're being uncertain about it's future. I almost wish they discontinued it respectfully. It's a shame, because their designers are incredible. This thing looks absolutely stunning. It deserves so much better than this. Heck, they could've kept most of the platform the same and just put the 3.5L twin turbo V6 from the LS and updated the interior with their new touch screen system like in the new NX, and this would've done really well. It's sad to see something so beautiful get neglected like this.
There’s nothing wrong with this IS
There are cars that get lukewarm reviews that ultimately become used car treasures because of reliability and resale.
Lexus has been contributing to this category of car since the brand hit the scene and up until now, about 50-60 percent of their models made that list.
Pretty sure this will be on that list over the 200T and other turbo or hybrid models.
Always thankful to have an enthusiast reviewer who also holds these companies accountable for not reaching the bar.
Just got my SG shirt in, can't wait to wear it to the next car meet!
5 years ago I invested in the company that is the #1 producer of cheap piano black plastic, and thanks to Mark and Jack, I just retired at age 37.
You guys the best car reviewers on You-Tube hands down. Criminally under-rated, however those who know, know how good we have it here! Thank you Mark and Jack 💪👊 🍺🍺🍺
This is what happens when a company rests on its laurels and banks on decades of 'reliability rep'. You end up refreshing an 8 year old platform with a 15 year old engine that's uninspiring compared to literally anything else on the market.
Right. I'm not sure what the IS350 is really bringing that a fully loaded Mazda3 isn't for 15k+ less at this point. A few details like ventilated seats and better audio system and technically RWD. Even the predicted reliability. I say this as someone who seriously cross-shopped these 2 but didn't see enough compelling reasons to go with the Lexus. product.
Well Toyota would not bother developing a new engine family which will be extinct within the next 10 years.
Would you rather have this car or an Infiniti Q50?
@@chocolatewheelchair I'd rather have a Genesis G70.
The Japanese automakers are still recovering from the 08 financial crisis. You can see it in their design/tech; they fell far behind the rest of the world and had to keep producing high margin older vehicles to get by. I really hope they start to push forward again.
When ever I see the new Lexus IS it really catches my eye...I don't know why but it looks really good. I think its the paintjob and front body lines
Can’t agree more
Reliability means everything to me I don’t fucking care how much better the car might be it’s not better if it’s going to break sooner I mean that is crap and I will be the number one thing for me and everything on the second
I typically like your reviews but you guys are def BMW guys even as Lexus owners. I have a F30 328D & now a 21 IS350F you guys literally missed out on the outside styling etc not all people have your taste. Secondly I have a bmw already more people than you think own multiple cars. I’m kinda disappointed in your review of this. Most of your reviews are good but not this one. I went with the reliability of the Lexus vs bmw because let’s face it, BMW isn’t lasting 300k well my Diesel will but most won’t. You missed the things that I’m unhappy with the creature comforts piwer mirrors , no memory seats, some don’t come with sports + just sports, maybe you guys were crunched for time idk. Anyway thanks for the video and thoughts.
The ZF is prob the best transmission out ever but they hired ZF for that. I’d much rather have a 3.5 vs the 2.0 turbo. Put that 3.5 with a ZF then you’re talking. But the 2.0T is a turd. That’s why I went with a turbo diesel in my BMW torque for days.
For all the fanboys I’m not trying to beat anyone up, just my thoughts is all.
What pisses me off is the fact that couldn’t even be bothered to redesign the climate control or improve the hp/tq significantly. You’re better off buying a ES 350 F sport. Good review fellas!
Why does it need improved? It’s plenty fast.
The ES 350 is not faster than the IS 350, especially a RWD IS 350.
As a previous bmw owner 3 series owner who moved to Lexus IS, this guy is blatantly wrong in his conclusion for several reasons:
1. Bmw did not make frequent evolutions out of discretion but rather out of necessity. Their original 4 cylinder engine has a timing chain tensioner failure issue that causes the engine to break entirely. Beyond that, gaskets are leaky, plastic charge pipes crack and leak boost and plastic valve cover will warp and require replacement.
2. The Bmw has a notably less attractive exterior with lower cosmetic and mechanical build quality.
3. The Bmw has less comfortable seats and a stiffer less refined suspension.
4. Lexus gives you significantly more options and trim for significantly less money. A similarly equipped Bmw 330i will run you about 7-10k more than a is300 f sport series 2 (in Canada).
Bmw does have a number of advantages including a god-level transmission, agility, performance and a more contemporary designed interior.
Overall, for the average buyer, the Lexus strongpoints presents greater utility.
The superior build quality + fit and finish create a greater sense of occasion. The better seats and more refined suspension makes for a more comfortable ride. The ability to have a worry-free mid-long term ownership is comforting. Beyond this, although the Lexus is slower and less agile, the Bmw 330i is by no means a fast car. We’re still dealing with entry level luxury 4 door sedans with sub 260hp.
Not gonna bash you for your opinion, since I'd rather you be honest with us about how you feel. But I will say I do disagree with much of your take. I guess it all depends on perspective, but to be getting a pretty powerful car (311 hp), perhaps the most beautiful exterior in the segment, a creak-free, rock solid interior with the best build quality you'll find, and class-leading reliability... I mean there's very little not to like. Every one of this car's competitors come with trade-offs of their own.
My co-worker bought one last year and he got gapped multiple times by old g37 which is significantly cheaper yet performs better.
@@thatpersiandude7386it has 30 more horsepower, also if you've ever been in a Nissan, they feel and are very cheap and lack any luxury
I love how you always compare cars to its segment rivals in depth. The detail is important.
at least the price reflects the age. You can get a IS350 F Sport rwd at $43k, which is a great deal for 8 speed auto, limited slip diff and a good reliable motor(more like $48k bc options per comment) . Screw the AWD car
The only way to get a limited slip diff in the IS350 F Sport is to get the F Sport Dynamic Handling Package, which costs $4200. So you're looking at $48,650, or $44,450 without the F Sport DHP.
@@DodgerBlueRobert o damn. No way to get a torsen without first getting the pack?
@@papa_pt correct. You have to get the dynamic handling package to get the LSD.
@@DodgerBlueRobert damnit.. still a pretty good deal but now breathing down the back of Stinger TT or G70
@@papa_pt I don't need the limited slip unless I am driving 10/10ths. I don't think I regret going for a non-DHP car.
Yeah this was on my top 3 on buying a new car in 2020,, but then I got into 2016 LS460 F-sport 35k miles with an extended warranty for less than a new IS250. Love my ls460
I'm really late to the party, but I think it's a good, concise review. However, despite some of the dings I feel this is likely going to be the car for me. I'm looking for good bad weather performance as I live at high altitude and things can get nasty in an instant. I'm looking for comfort and more performance than what you'd get out of a normal commuter car but I don't need to have my face ripped off.
I want a car I know is solid enough to drive 20+ years, and this drivetrain is proven. Not just reliability, but durability. I want this car to last me into retirement so I can focus on my other cars. If I want a bit more spirit, I'll take my BMW or even reach for the keys to Toyota's first AWD car and have fun. The IS will be for comfort and a driving experience that will be more spirited than a crossover, SUV, or EV.
This is the fastest selling luxury car in America. Hard sell? Obviously not. The numbers speak for themselves. Hard sell for car nerds maybe, but not the general population. You obviously don't have a read on the pulse of car buyers
Interesting review but you can keep your Beemer's, Audi's, Nissan's, or whatever else you two were referring to in this car's "segment"... How are those "performance" cars with all the failure prone features working out for you when she's sitting in the shop awaiting expensive, unobtainium parts from Germany or wherever ? Personally, I've had it with the "high performance" junk that passes for "highest rated". I'll take the "boring" refinement, reliability, and over-engineering of the IS any day over ANY of the other cars being compared to. I made the switch to Lexus about 5 years ago and would recommend it to anybody unless you have lots of patience and money to burn on these other cars in the "segment".
I really had the intention buying the IS500. But of course they had to ditch the European market. I'm not mad or anything. I can understand that decision. But the design of this car - it just stands out so much compared to A6, 5 Series and E Class. It really is a shame.
Both the 3.5L V6 and the 5.0L V8 are amazing engines
wrong class of car.. this is 3 series, Cklasse and A4
You should have bought the gsf then
@@papa_pt I know the class to compare would be the ES but it only has front wheel drive and the trim and design is lame as fuck
@@matthewfawaz2247 I wanted too but there are sold out
@@Hadronyx1 nope that would be the GS
For me personally, yes the reliability is very much worth the trade offs. Then when you factor in the lack of expensive repairs and pricey maintenance, the price point makes a lot more sense.
I agree. Less time at the dealer is less headache for you as the owner. Even if you bring it to the dealer the Lexus dealers treat you very well. This is a car I'd put my money down on whereas the Germans I'd just lease.
@@layne4376 …Camry’s don’t look as good as the IS350 though. It’s a beautiful design.
@@layne4376 I guess if you think the Camry and IS looks exactly the same then sure? Haha
@@layne4376 It's not a Camry though. Name a Camry outside of Nascar that is rear-wheel-drive.
@@layne4376 I don’t think this persons driven either. But they’ll reply they have. 😂🤦🏽♂️
Hey guys, I’ve been watching for some time and I gotta say those intros are straight bangers. Love the fact you guys are all about quality and are not afraid to joke around like that Buick Encore review.. I was laughing my ass off. You guys have literally established a whole new way to review cars I didn’t even know I wanted. Keep up the great work!
If you keep the IS350 under $50k, its a solid value
Looks great, more powerful than most sedans in this price range, solid performer, and a reliable, trustworthy companion.
One of the most striking new cars. The IS500 looks like a beast.
I bought one recently 2021 is350 awd personally no complaint but I wanted reliability and was ok with it being little short on performance for myself I had a 02 ls430 before the feature were dope on that car way ahead of it’s time but I do like this car a lot with no complaints
I drove the 300 and 350 back to back. The 2L feels better around town because the torque band is much lower in the rev range. The 350 is way more fun though
The RWD 350 sounds fun, but AWD?!! Why does the 350 need a AWD?
@@wyw201 people who live in certain climates prefer them I suppose. Or in other countries where AWD gets you an insurance break. Or so I've heard.
The main reason I want a Lexus is the resale value they hold their price well compared to bmws of the same price over 5-10 years
Bought a 350 rwd 2 months ago absolutely love it. No complains. Yes maybe not as fast as a M340i but a nicely equipped M340i is 60-62k… my msrp was 49 so I think this car is almost like in a class of it’s own between a 330 and a 340
Honestly, I think the 350 RWD is only at 330i level but even if you use an M340i (nearly fully loaded) as example I think it should not exceed 60k before rebate. Although, I understand the price could be quite different depending on your location.
I think Lexus's service will be superior to BMW based on my personal experience.
The TLX type S is much better than the IS350. The Lexus is a 10 year old car
@@angusp5515 Too bad the TLX has a FWD-based platform and is huge and heavy.
@@ARentz07 there is the SH-AWD Type S
@@angusp5515 Too bad the Type S has only 6 cylinders and is slower than the IS 500 for only a few more grand.
Honest assessment of this series. My pick = the is350 RWD w/ F-Sport package when its 5 years old. The depreciation makes it good value proposition being a Toyota product.
100% agree, I own a 2015 rc350 f sport and I love my car, but I’d never buy it brand new off the dealership 😅 too bad they won’t launch is500 in Australian market, it could be my ultimate dream car in 5-7years
Great video review. Looking even more forward to the IS500
I know this isn't the video to bring it up (thank you SG) but seriously, a new Acura Integra. Idk if they can do it justice..
Unfortunately everything new that’s going to come out in the next 10 years are going to be geared towards electric or hybrid vehicles. Sad
^^^
They killed the Civic coupe so no way an integra is coming back.
@@ImYoutubing247 not to mention crossovers and suvs. And now suv truck hybrids
Just another overpriced honda. Just buy an accord, it will probably be faster LOL
Most people who buy the IS350 awd will never know the difference from the RWD version. Those people living in the north east will want the security in having AWD.
If you're into leasing and changing every three years then a BMW is for you. If you're going to keep forever, then always buy a Toyota, and never a German car unless you're going to learn to fix it and buy all the diagnostics and go to automotive training. Yes, RELIABILITY is what a Toyota is all about. Its a pity these cars are not offered in Turbo in all ranges.
Ohh well. Got my 350 awd iridium and black with the standard suspension. Sounds great, drives great, looks fantastic, and I don’t see the 6 speed as a negative. Barring a wreck, this will be my car for a decade and I love every time I drive it.
The six-speed makes it slower and less fuel-efficient than its competitors. If you came from an older car with five or six speeds it no doubt feels very normal, but it could be better. The performance of that low-torque engine is emphasized by the transmission.
@@markmiller3279 If one is spreadsheet-shopping, they won't buy an IS. Clearly, Chidoro41 is not a spreadhseet shopper.
However, I also ended up in a 2021 IS 350 (RWD, in my case), and I can acknowledge it's an imperfect car. But damn it if it isn't fun to drive on a back road and doesn't sound great too. Not to mention those seats are incredible.
@@markmiller3279 the fun of the car is the linear build up of the speed . Yes, gas mileage is pretty lousy but six speeds is enough as you get the build up in each gear. The unit is bullet proof which I value more highly than losing out on low end torque.
I was on the fence with an A4 and the TLX but couldn’t trust the Audi enough to own (even though it was my favorite to drive) and the TLX was very disappointing.
Amazing looking refresh, quality reliable and naturally aspirated. Pretty much a perfectly well balanced car for daily and foul weather. Not surprising it's selling so incredibly well
Exactly it might not be exciting but people who aren’t leasing then this will continue to sell. Ironically it’s not a hard sell it all to most buyers.
Car is garbage. So far behond the competion its embarrassing. And this from a lexus fan and 3IS owner. They need an all new properly competitive IS and to stop pushing crappy SUVs and ancient tech as new
@@freepadz6241 no thanks, I'll take tried and tested over new hot garbage that breaks. Also for the love of god leave the gear swifters as they are had bmw and mercedes electronic shifters. I just want a comfy quick reliable car that is good in foul weather and this does all that
@@LiamG903 for 55k its a joke. You'd want to be a clueless idiot to buy this
@@freepadz6241 quality and reliability cost money bud. Go buy a kia if you want cheap
Nice video, I appreciate your honesty!
But, the total white screen at 3:00 just burned my retinas!
3:04 Are you familiar with dark mode presentations?
Respect your opinion. Personally, i prefer this car precisely because it feels dated. I'm just not a fan of the computerized feeling i get from the new generation. To me, the IS is plenty quick and super engaging in the mountains. If i want more speed, I'll look into the RCF or something.
bottom line its a great car...there is a reason its the number 1 selling compact sports sedan
Exactly
I have a 2016 IS350 F and it's not slow but not fast... but... till now it's worth more than any 2016 335I even with 98k hahaha. That's the beauty of it. End of the day it's up to your budget
Let's hope the upcoming Mazda 6 with the inline 6 engine delivers
I am so looking forward to that car. My 2008 MPS6 pretty much needs replacement and would love to get the wagon.
Rumor has it next IS will use that I6
@@Roboticpycotic very interesting
I've had the pleasure of driving just about all of the variants of the newer IS, and it couldn't have been said better.
No matter what, you are going to get a comfortable, reliable sport Sedan that looks fantastic. However, how you decide to spec out the IS will make or break the driving experience.
The first new IS I drove was an IS300 AWD. That one left a very poor taste in my mouth until I had the chance to drive an IS350 F-sport with the handling package, with just about every option. From a driving dynamics standpoint, it felt like a completely different car. Sure, the 3.5l V6 still isn't gonna push you to the back of your seat, but its more than enough to party around, especially on the twisty backroads.
This is what happens when u ask George Lucas to review Star Trek
its so weird because AWD Rc's and IS's seem so common but the RWD trims are so solid
I own 2016 IS300 AWD with only 40k miles on it when it comes to driving, handling and precision I love it. For 250lb guys seats are way to small my civic is way more roomy.
Also, i cross shopped all those cars that you mentioned and still ended up with the lexus for a variety of reasons, that being said, i’ll also be keeping it 10 yrs plus. There was just no contest when looking at longevity
Reliability is everything…
Not really. Get a Camry and call it a day.
@@dragospahontu Why on earth would a person looking at an IS get a Camry? They have completely different looks and the IS has a V8 option.
@@theunown1912 so they might be looking at the BMW 3-Series?
I think the Camry is more similar to the IS than it is to the 3-Series.
@@dragospahontu Definitely looking at a 3-Series and the like. I personally know people that cross shopped them with 3-Series and C-Class. My dad swapped his A4 for an IS. I've honestly never heard anybody I am related to, friends with or work with talking about picking up a Camry or cross shopping the two. But maybe where you're located its possibly different.
@@theunown1912 one hundred percent.
Will Michelin Pilot 4S tires improve grip for this car?
Lexus needs to genuinely consider a all new IS with better interior and powertrain. This IS350 AWD is powertrain dates back to 2006.and most of the interior parts (2014+). This is especially unfair on a 55k+ Fully Loaded/Optioned trim. The exterior looks good, maybe even one of the best in the segment but that ain't helping here. You can have a loaded 3.3T G70 with is a lot better car compared to this for couple grands less.
It’s the fastest selling car with the C8. Everything else is a cuv. Consumers love it.
@@MikeForsythe needs more hp at least. I think 350 hp to fit the model (Is350) would be cool in the near future.
I think one of the problem is Lexus IS isn't selling, and they cannot justify the the ROI for R&D, it's a chicken and egg problem. I had a 2002 IS long time ago, and have driven late models too, and I really don't think the current gen is competitive at all, I mean they are reliable, I'd buy a used if I plan to keep it...
@@garykong7597 huh? They are selling every last one. They have a supply problem. Demand is off the charts.
@@MikeForsythe My claim was largely supported by pre-refresh sales vs competitor, the IS sales was very weak, yes right now we have a refresh, of course you see an increase in sales, to judge whether it's competitive or not you can't just look at first year. Also there's a huge supply (chip or not) constraint now, by claiming it's all sold out doesn't necessarily mean it's actually selling a lot. I agree that the industry wide shortage is making the analysis hard to compare. The only brand that still have lots of cars on dealer lot are Fiat and Alfa, I don't think anyone can use the fact that you can't find the car on dealer lot to support the claim that they are all selling really well.
Always enjoy watching your honest reviews guys!! Keep up the good work, I really found your videos useful when coming to purchasing a car and really helped me make the call based on your driving impressions!!
All the cars in the segment are turbo charged. Sorry reliability is big for me and not being stung by the dealership. Its not like you are taking it on a track so for everyday driving it will be fine.
Very nice looking car. I took a blue 1 for a drive, but no power.
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Truly a premium experience
Best in class
The IS500 will be the best Japanese sedan money can buy right now. Probably also the most fun it’s the class. Calling it now
Love love love that exterior/interior color combo. Would have it on the FSport or whatever the performance model is called and be completely happy for the next 20 years.
These are the sort of nuances that on-paper stats don't spell out to you. Looking forward to the is500 video now guys well done.
This generation of Lexux sedans and coupes are long overdue for a refresh. Truly archaic
People want Toyota reliability, this is the one downside to that.
Archaic, yet has Android Auto/Apple Carplay capability with split-screen Android Auto, a 17-speaker, 1800 watt sound system, a whole bunch of safety/driver-assist tech standard. Just don't buy the AWD model.
Your reviews are spot on. I the focus on presentation + point making despite an overall friendly demeanor. Objectivity ftw.
i love lexus and a huge fan of the is but the drive train is from 2007 right? then the interior and chassis is from 2014. $45,000 is a lot of money, dont bring up reliability because thats not enough. I really wish they would just fully remodel it, and a new transmission and engine and interior. also that bump next to the gas pedal is so annoying
I have had a few 2GRs over the years. It’s an engine that’s been jammed into everything from a Corolla to a 4WD, and it fits the place of either just as well. It’s amazing to think of how long it’s really been around for, and truly how many cars it powers everywhere.
I’ve currently got a GS450H which is a hybrid 2GR as well, and in a car that’s near 2 tonnes that gets the fuel economy that it does, and is still able to deliver the power when needed, it’s amazing.
I don’t really care for the complexity of modern engines, and to have an option that delivers 310HP with seemingly infinite reliability and excellent refinement, I think is more than enough.
@@WTCHME i can see where ur coming from and totally agree but u gotta agree there comes a point where its time for a upgrade, competition is getting too high, my main complaint is just from the transmission, its not fast and smooth enough to call refined in the year 2021 and its really still gonna carry into 2022 inside the IS. Also the fact that u can get a is300 “f sport” and still have less horsepower than a v6 camry is just annoying
This is not the engine from 2007, the 2 gr has evolved alot since then. Watch the car care nut, he talks about this in great detail since he's a mechanic at Toyota .
@@malekinception no its the same, same transmission, same numbers theres like no difference
This now cost more than than my previous GS 350. That car was so much nicer than this. Wish they still made it.
Sure this may not be a perfect car but it’s still very good for what it is
Can’t wait to see the review on the IS500 V8!
amazing content as always. i also really love these IS variants. i think Toyota/Lexus did a fantastic job styling the vehicle overall. alot of good stuff here
Fastest selling luxury car in America... hard sell eh?
What are you talking about? The similarly priced ES vastly outsells the IS and has for years.
This car is better than your GR86. Rather daily it than GR86. It’s completely comfortable
The funny thing is, these are selling very well in the States. Like, *really* well. Sure, it might not be the most advanced in the segment, nor the fastest, or really anything else, for that matter, but there's just something in the way that this IS feels. I would take a RWD IS350 F Sport any day over a 330i. The IS just feels a little bit special, while the 330i just kind of... doesn't. Don't get me wrong, The 330i is very good, and definitely more capable than the IS, but it feels flat and a little bit boring. I feel there's a reason that these Lexuses (Lexii?) are selling well, and it's not because "consumers are stupid and don't think about anything" as you said. That was very disrespectful and a massive let-down in an otherwise very well-constructed review, and gave me doubts about your credibility as a reviewer. Sorry, but I'll have to leave a dislike on this one.
You actually inadvertently agreed that this car just isn't enough for the price. This car isn't going against the BMW 330i. This is supposed to be their M340i comparable and it isn't close in any way to an M340i: driving dynamics, speed, comfort, interior, design, etc. all go to BMW. It's sold almost purely on exterior and reliability which makes no difference as all the new cars will last 5 years and that's generally when people get new cars.
@@jonathannavarro6679 Isn't the M340i a little more than $10,000 more expensive than the IS350 F Sport? Price-wise this car is priced equivalent to the 330i. You should be comparing the IS500 to the M340i, and the IS350 F Sport to the 330i with the M Sport Package. You can verify that with a quick Google search if you like.
@@thefatcatcompany2021 No, not quite that much more. The IS 350 F sport with the dynamic handling which is a must puts it right into the M340i's price range. A fully loaded M340i will be more than a fully loaded IS 350, however. I am certain they are in the same tier in Lexus' eyes because I was initially looking to get the IS 350 F sport. Do you know what they wanted for the base model IS 350 F sport plus the dynamic handling package? They told me $60,000. Even $58,000 would have been laughable. You can get a fully loaded 330i for around $53,000. Secondly, I asked them who they view their competitors as and they said this is in line with the M340i, G70, etc. That's from Lexus to my ears. They view the IS500 as an M3 competitor which again completely blows away the IS500. I agree with your take. The IS500 is more a comparable to the M340i and the IS 350 to the 330i, however that isn't how Lexus views it nor how they market them.
EDIT: just hopped on both sites and priced out the 2022 M340i with significant upgrades and the IS 350 F sport and the BMW came out to be just $1,000 more. Neither having all the upgrades. I purchased my M340i fully loaded for $60,500. Lexus is a ripoff at their asking price for what they offer.
@@jonathannavarro6679 It's not a "must" unless you are either being a total idiot or taking the car to the track. The car has plenty of traction. Maybe if you want to do donuts it's a must.
@@jonathannavarro6679 A base IS350 F sport with the dynamic handling package is $48k where I live. Where are you? $60k is a literal ripoff.
One thing the awd is actually really good in is in no ideal weather and roads. Not just in the snow but in the rain too. I'll take my car to the mountains often and having awd is nice peace of mind. I'm not rock climbing or anything just not ideal roads going up there
Also, not everyone can put snow tires on since it's too warm in the city center where they live but just taking short trips to the mountains where conditions change radically is where you have the capability without white knuckles.
Looking at this car for next year. Wife's BMW in the shop- the loaner was a new 330i. Yes, fast. Slight turbo lag. Odd rattle here and there. But, this 3 series is now the size of an old 5 series. Seats are stiff and suspension set up too firm. Wife and i agreed not comfortable for long drives. Stopped by Lexus dealer and looked at IS350. Sat in it- fit like a glove. It felt special. I like the notchy shifter and actual dials on the dash. Felt like a jet cockpit. NA V6 is old school cool. Did not drive it. 2023 IS350 AWD with moonroof and DHP is $48,500. I am intrigued what Lexus will do with the IS in fall 2023. I might be a new customer. Savagegeese- not everyone leases and not everyone hits the track.
I recommend the RWD variant as opposed to the AWD If you are seriously considering one of these.
I rather drive the Acura TLX base. It is newer amd newer feeling and at least Honda is trying something different.
I was cross shopping the TLX and several others as well, but the deal breaker was the fact that it is built in America now. Probably doesn't matter practically though.
@@centripetal25 TLX has always been built in America as Acura is a North American brand.
Thsi looks so much better though the tlx is ugly imo
@@skykao1197 not entirely true. A lot of Honda and Acura's are built in Ontario
It's a beautiful car from acura but I just really love the Lexus styling. The acura TL after 2008 went left for me. The styling was super ugly and lacked character. Finally the TLX looks like it should and I'm loving it plus the Integra will be back next year and omg I can't wait!!
I love the detail you guys go into. Helped me clear my mind on this car!
I enjoy watching your reviews Mark and Jack but I just (after all these years) can't come at the grill. The other thing is that Lexus still insist on the finger control pad in the console which to me, is a safety issue as your eyes have to be off the road longer as you watch on the screen what you are printing.
The people who will buy it will be very happy, the rest of them won't care.
What a short a sweet review
Succinctly stated.
@@ARentz07 😎
@@Tool0GT92 the only thing I don't like is the fact that the interior space is tiny compared to the competition.
It's enough for a Japanese man but not for me