i will echo the bit on PSU, do not cheap out on them, it's connected to every part of your system, if it blows, it can sometimes take out other parts with it.
Little Tip: Go Seasonic they are the best n make a lot of power supplys/psu for other manufactors too but are kinda pricey , as my man said dont cheap on your powers supply
Yeah, this video is on point, one thing I can tell you ensure your cooling is top-notch. I had one fan pushing air the wrong way, and my water cooler was being overheated. I am getting almost 200 FPS from Triple AAA games and SC, and I have to limit them to 90-120 FPS. Why? My monitor is 200HZ so the 7900XT is loving all that hertz. I have a 1000 Watts Gold Standard PSU running everything This is my DXDiag: System Model: X670 AORUS ELITE AX Processor: AMD Ryzen 7 7800X3D 8-Core Processor (16 CPUs), ~4.2GHz Memory: 65536MB RAM Available OS Memory: 64662MB RAM 6000MHz- (You do not need more than 28GB to play SC, it has never gone above that so far) Page File: 40788MB used, 73025MB available Card name: AMD Radeon RX 7900 XT Display Memory: 52747 MB Dedicated Memory: 20416 MB Shared Memory: 32330 MB Current Mode: 2560 x 1080 (32 bit) (200Hz) HDR Support: Supported
+1 for recommending not to skimp on PSU quality. Making sure you get the correct wattage for your build and a good Certified efficiency is important! Another thing to remember is the game is no where near release, so build now, plan to rebuild on release to keep up with min. requirements is likely. (Possibly even once optimizations with Vulkan get put into the game.) Thanks for all the great content and detail you put into the testing. The benchmark graphs you display from your tests with common parts is very helpful!!
You built very close to my system. 7800X3D, same mobo, with a 4090. The thing I can say about the 4090 is that having so much power headroom you can run the thing at 60% power limit and it still performs just like the 4080 would. but the fans are just casually sauntering rather than sweating their tits off. The power draw at 50/60% and temps are significantly lower as well. The only thing I've found that required me to fully open up the 4090 so far had been MS Flight sim in VR and Cyberpunk with those mental photo realistic mods. Oh, and Cities Skylines 2 when I want to get it to load 😂
Nice Job. I always enjoy your videos. You always show your results, which is important. Thank you for the diversity of testing as well it really highlights were improvements can be made and where at the time of the test differences would be negligible. Personally when I build a system I try to fit some upgrade headroom that allows me to stagger which parts need upgraded each time. That way I can spend a bit more on what need than starting from scratch each time.
My entire new PC was less than just that 4090 alone. $1700 roughly was the total. 7800X3D, 32 GB 6000 ddr5, 2TB NVME, 7900XT. $60 case, $35 cpu cooler, $80 PSU, $150 Motherboard.
I'm in the same boat, just with a 4070 TI Super instead of a 7900XT, but the other specs are the same as yours! Total price before tax was $1705, finished building it less than 2 weeks ago, and it runs SC (and everything else I throw at it) like a dream.
For the motherboard, I would have gone for something like the ASUS X670E Hero, which has an external clock generator that can actually overclock the 7800X3D. With a good chip, 5.4 GHz is possible, which is about an 11% increase in performance over stock, or 7% over just using PBO and Curve Optimizer. Cache frequency also scales with the core clocks, so that effectively overclocks the cache as well. Pair that with a 2x32GB Hynix A-die memory kit with tuned timings running at 6400 MT/s in Gear 1 or 7800 MT/s or more in Gear 2 with an infinity fabric clock over 2133 MHz and you're golden. The main factor is going to be actually cooling the 7800X3D, lapping or delidding might be necessary even though the CPU only consumes ~60-80W, the very thick IHS is more of an insulator than a heat spreader, so it's really hard to remove heat from the CPU quickly enough.
Great report, love the approach you took ( each his own, read before you buy). One thing to consider , for maximum performance geeks, look up PCIe NVMe lane splitting , aka if your NVMe is sharing the PCIe x16 bandwidth with NVMe port, best result comes from having NVMe being fed from chipset lane ( aka not GPU PCIe slot). Read the fine manual per motherboard vendor. 😊 PSU is one of those things you’ll keep for next 5y+ I went with 1000w. Consumption is going up anyway, might as well. AIO is too much money even though it’s cool. NVMe , 5000mb/sec are plenty, lots choices, be aware to save costs, NVMe vendors are starting to ship NVMe drives without SRAM buffers, so if 4TB looks really “ affordable “ , that’s likely why. Bigger NVMe spread the I/O load on more chips, usually better writes. Reads are usually not an issue on common brands.
I am very happy we have seen this renewed race between Intel and AMD for the most powerful CPUs. If we had not had this race it was have really held back SC. One tip for you for the air cooler get a Thermalright Peerless Assassin 120 SE CPU Cooler They are cheaper and better than the Deep cool. I have installed a lot of them. I really love them. You can get it for less than $35 in the us.
I get NVMe drives simply because I don't have to deal with SATA cables. The NVMe just plugs into the motherboard for a simple neat installation, apart from the fiddle small screw or mounting latch. Also regarding 64GB, I have it and there is no improvement over 32GB for running Star Citizen or any other game, even with a browser open on a secondary monitor watching RUclips or with Erkul or an SC trading site open.
I’m going for a 5090 build next year, meantime Star Citizen is so unoptimised and my 3070 runs everything else just fine, so I don’t see the point in getting the back end 4090 generation now when 5 series is so close.
If you want to buy a PC for SC instead of a motor cycle you spend 3k If you want to buy all the ships instead of a new car you spend 50k edit: also I ran out of RAM a few times over the years in SC so I'll be going for 64 GB once I upgrade with the new AMD CPUs.
ran out of ram? 32gb is fine. Unless you have more money than sense or have prodcutivity software that can benefit form 64gb. Funny enough i have seen people see performance decreases as they use 4x16gb instead of 2x32gb, as the memory controller can keep the speed as high in expo/xmp.
@@zeroxception I can’t acually agree with that. I upgraded form 32 to 64 gb a few months ago and saw a huge deduction in stutters and game crashes. The game has been a lot more enjoyable since I did that, 100% worth the price. atleast in my case that is
I just built a new pc like 2 or 3 weeks ago. 7800x3d, rog strix 4090oc, x670e taichi, 64g ne0 6000 cl30 ram, samsung 980 2tb and 1tb, 1500w be quiet straight power, deep cool ak500, nzxt h5 elite, replaces the fans with duo fans and got a custom front panel with dust screens. I would recommend still optimizing your shader cache to 10gigs and turning on triple buffering. But in most areas I get pretty good performance. 140fps sometimes. lowest is maybe like 45 in a city... but only certain areas it seems.. other areas in the same city will be 80 or 90 fps... but prob average like 55-65 in the bad cities.
Even coming from my GTX 980 in PCIE 8x mode in order to use m.2, I'm STILL holding out to see how the dust settles when the 5090 releases supposedly Q1 of 2025. Either upgrade from 970->5090 or get a 4090 for hopefully less once new series is released. Either way, win win! It's really crazy that some people are able to tune new technology up to 8000mhz DDR5. Not sure I'd have the patience to fiddle with the individual timings, maybe a board from ASUS with the AI overclocking would be helpful. Would probably just end up going 6000 or 6400mhz kit. Seems like the intel 13900k/14900kchips are best for current 1% lows --albeit VERY MINOR gains, whereas the AM5 platform will leave a future upgrade path to reduce CPU bottlenecking. The new 57" Samsung monitor dual 32" 4k layout seems impressive!
If you're going all out, don't forget a monitor that can support your PC's stats. Word of warning to any pvp pilots: superwide looks glorious, but you can easily lose track of target markers if they fly by your sides.
I've been building out builds on pc part picker lol. It's fun to window shop. But I do need to upgrade. I've been eyeing an i-9. I'm still trying to decide if i want 32 gb of ram or higher. Could you maybe do a video testing performance with different ram amounts?
I have a I7 14700F, 32GB of RAM DDR5 and RTX 3060 (i'll be buying a RTX 40 series soon), how well do you think star citizen will run for me? Obviously i have an SSD NVME
Should run very well (for Star Citizen). You might need to turn off your ecores, but the 14700F is a very capable CPU and the 3060 should be fine at 1080p. You might want to wait for a free fly event so you can try it for free, should be one in the next few months.
Hey @tenpoundfortytwo When you're talking about CPU performance, can you show a clip or two of gameplay with an overlay displaying per thread CPU utilization? I think that would really help show how if one thread is maxed out and bottlenecking performance. MSI Afterburner can be used for overlays during gameplay. HWInfo can be used for graphing in the background. I'd like to test that myself, but it looks like my GTX1060 is too slow to reach CPU bottleneck.
Okay so I'm 3 minutes into the video and I have one question. I'm noticing that you're picking the cheaper options because the performance difference isn't that greater with the top of the line option. But the thing is, I thought this video would be about buying the absolute best of the best monster build money is no option PC. The x7950x3D still marginally outperforms the x7800x3D but I think as developers start to take advantage of the architecture, it'll start to edge out more performance. And the x670 being in the same boat, haha. NO EXPENSE SPARED. THROW YOUR WALLET AT THEM 😂
You've caught my budget side coming out! Personally I wouldn't throw the extra money at parts that won't do anything for performance- but as I say (probably a bit later in the video), these parts are just starting points. If you want to get the more expensive options then feel free!
@@tenpoundfortytwo Indeed, indeed. I was out of the PC gaming scene for several years because I had kids and other responsibilities came about so the only way I was able to game was via console. A friend gifted me a 1070 alienware laptop and it got me back into PC gaming. I then found Star citizen and started to feel sorry for myself. I upgraded to a 3080 gaming laptop but that's still didn't quite feel adequate enough. I saw a video from Xenopotomous on RUclips with his 4090 and I said hell no. I was making a lot more money now than I was back then and I went crazy with a full NZXT player 3 build. Literally checked all the boxes. I only remember how much I spent when I play anything but star citizen but ironically that's what I built the PC for. lol.
I play 1440p 240 hz. Do you think Its worth the upgrade for my cpu? I have a 9700k, 3080ti, 32gb ram,ssd, etc. I wanted to upgrade to the 7800x 3d and keep my 3080 ti. Its the evga ftw ultra 3080ti
you may not have an ideal situation (a good ssd with a good controller and dram cache, and no bottle necks on the board with other devices sharing that bus)
I was running on an EVO 860 which has some of the best iops of its category. That same config then running on an NVME cleared most of the stutters all of a sudden.
fast nvme (especially Q1T1 rand read) probably helps in situations of high disk activity eg when loading a bunch of assets all at once, say quantum travel exit near a previously unloaded planet body@@tenpoundfortytwo
I just saw this and wanted to come in and flex, I bought new PC around a month ago, 6k dollar for the PC itself and another 2k on a new samsung G9 Oled 49inch is what I forked up ^^ I thought today was the day to test out SC again. So downloading the game as I type this comment. some of the PC specs, GPU 4090 ofc. I7 14900, 64 gig ram and alot alot more :P of the accessory stuff. Ofc I did not buy the PC just for SC, but abit of a future proofing myself and I hate to do small upgrades all the time.
@@tenpoundfortytwo Ye, it did cost an arm and a leg tho, But so far It's been worth it to a gamer like me. All I do is work and play so I thought it was time I gift myself an experiance, Was an upgrade from my old I7 2600k and Evga 1080ti FTW3 edition :P
"Unlimited Star Citizen PC Build!" and straight away goes with the fantastic, really awesome, budget CPU. ;-) In a game that is mostly memory and cpu limited. Well at least in a 3k system there is no way a 4090 fits, so at least you do not go that hard overboard on the GPU side of things either. Unless you heavily go cheap on the rest of the components, but than it would not be a good build for Star Citizen anymore, right? RIGHT?!? Well, at least this video will mean that someone else has done the all the researched needed for me, so that I can just buy what I need instead of needing to do the research myself, because else the video would be pretty pointless.
Hi. I have a am4 MB but I am currently buying parts each month to build a better pc to go with my 7900xtx. I have a 5800x cpu which is good but not am5. I got good case and air.cooling so i only need MB, ram and the cpu. Question....can i simply remove my ssd from this old motherboard and it will fit in new MB and i will have all my old stuff on therr and no need to buy windows again to.install?
Yep that should work, but I would still be tempted to reinstall windows. You'll need to install all the new chip set driver etc, but things can get a bit wonky with windows if you don't do a fresh install. Changing hardware might mean that your windows key won't transfer. The 5800x3d (or 5700x3d), would be a decent bump in performance and you'd just have to change the CPU (and again install some x3d specific drivers). So if you're wanting to keep things simple that's probably the best bet!
@@Lonely_Goat if you Google windows installation media that should help you out. You can actually get everything installed without having a key, but there are plenty of websites where you can buy one. Id suggest transferring all the files you care about onto a big external SSD.
@@foureyedluxx4901 A 5600x would be a noticeable upgrade, faster clocks, better IPC and more cores, but stretch to a 5700x3d (or 5800x3d) if you can. I'd rather get an x3d CPU now and put off the RAM upgrade for a few months to save for that than get the RAM and 5600x now/at the same time. RAM can always be upgraded but whatever CPU you get will most likely be the last one for that board, so you might as well get the most life and performance from it that you can.
LOL I got a new PC 7950x3d 64GB 6000 cl30 Ram RTX4090 6 TB of M.2 Asus X670E hero. Artic freezer II 420 AIO I went for the corsair1600i PSU ( now the 7800x3d ass the 7950x3d died ) then later got a new bike a Kawasaki H2r SX se LOL well ok not new but new to me Just remember with motherboards and PCIe 5 if your having a top end GPU you can NOT fill the m.2 slots without bringing the GPU PCI-e slot down to only 8 and not 16 so this is why I went for top end board as I filled my board with 4 gen 4 m.2's and not other ssd or hhd RAM running 64GB is ok but it only gets to 50% load so 323GB should be ok
You should understand WHY an NVMe VS SATA SSD doesn't impact loading of a game. First off, they are the same thing, just a different form factor and the perform the same because the devices HAVE BARELY advanced in technology since inception FOREVER. Que Depth 1 is still pathetically slow, and that's how most applications load. Software doesn't hammer your SSD With 64 queues for loading data to get up to the GBs worth of bandwidth, and people should STOP calling these drives BLAZING FAST, because simply are not. For the most part, DQ1 is like 50-80 MBs a second....pathetic.
Probably those extra frames will help get you closer to 60fps, but if you don't mind playing at a bit of a lower frame rate then the 4070ti super should do the job!
I've found that a 3080 is borderline overkill at 1440p in SC at the moment. But if cig optimise eventually then we may be able to actually hit higher refresh rates. 4070 should be a decent long term option!
Low population servers are the key start to great performance.. Server tick rates are horrid on full servers resulting in added poor performance including the frankenstein optimization in place..
i got the deal of the decade for 7800x3d 4090 FE 32gb 6000mhz ram and x670e motherboard plus a 1500 wat psu in h5 case and a nzxt 280 aio ($2400) and fukin star citizen keeps crashing my shit lol my 3080 ran it great and i thought shit i will have constant 60 fps with a 4090 ...nope havent been able to figure out why it restarts my pc everytime
@@tenpoundfortytwo yea i have tried so many things and still reboots well now it either reboots or tells me to check integrity of install i got this end game pc and cant load the game very annoying
Apparently the game will use a lot of cores but for the time being it does still lean heavily on a couple of very fast ones so that is where a threadripper would fall behind an equivalent desktop CPU (as they clock higher). But assuming you're running on a Zen 3 or Zen 4 based threadripper the game would still run fine and hopefully, in time, the reliance on a few very fast threads will be reduced (that is their stated plan, no eta though).
Honestly id focus on saving 5k NVidia and 8k are end of year releases q3-q1 of next year. GPU id def wait but cpu since you can upgrade to 8k on same socket you can get 7800x3d
Also for that power draw a 4090 is 450 alone that system would pull roughly 550-600 during star citizen and for efficiency of the PSu you wanna be around the half way mark. Since its not much more for a 1k psu id just do that to be safe
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Lol with the current prices 3k seems pretty much the norm. Good thing is that the machine will smash all the new AAA games.
Yep that's the good thing about building something for SC- it will be plenty for everything else!
Current prices are actually msrp, compared to the mad covid times when pretty much everything was way more expensive
3k was about what my build was
i will echo the bit on PSU, do not cheap out on them, it's connected to every part of your system, if it blows, it can sometimes take out other parts with it.
Little Tip: Go Seasonic they are the best n make a lot of power supplys/psu for other manufactors too but are kinda pricey , as my man said dont cheap on your powers supply
Just finished my new build with a 7800x3d 32gb of ddr5 6000 and a 6750 XT, smooth as butter as 2k. Thanks for the tip on the cooler.
Nice system!
Yeah, this video is on point, one thing I can tell you ensure your cooling is top-notch. I had one fan pushing air the wrong way, and my water cooler was being overheated. I am getting almost 200 FPS from Triple AAA games and SC, and I have to limit them to 90-120 FPS. Why? My monitor is 200HZ so the 7900XT is loving all that hertz. I have a 1000 Watts Gold Standard PSU running everything
This is my DXDiag:
System Model: X670 AORUS ELITE AX
Processor: AMD Ryzen 7 7800X3D 8-Core Processor (16 CPUs), ~4.2GHz
Memory: 65536MB RAM
Available OS Memory: 64662MB RAM 6000MHz- (You do not need more than 28GB to play SC, it has never gone above that so far)
Page File: 40788MB used, 73025MB available
Card name: AMD Radeon RX 7900 XT
Display Memory: 52747 MB
Dedicated Memory: 20416 MB
Shared Memory: 32330 MB
Current Mode: 2560 x 1080 (32 bit) (200Hz)
HDR Support: Supported
+1 for recommending not to skimp on PSU quality. Making sure you get the correct wattage for your build and a good Certified efficiency is important!
Another thing to remember is the game is no where near release, so build now, plan to rebuild on release to keep up with min. requirements is likely.
(Possibly even once optimizations with Vulkan get put into the game.)
Thanks for all the great content and detail you put into the testing. The benchmark graphs you display from your tests with common parts is very helpful!!
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You would think this machine will smoke any game out Thier.
You built very close to my system. 7800X3D, same mobo, with a 4090. The thing I can say about the 4090 is that having so much power headroom you can run the thing at 60% power limit and it still performs just like the 4080 would. but the fans are just casually sauntering rather than sweating their tits off. The power draw at 50/60% and temps are significantly lower as well.
The only thing I've found that required me to fully open up the 4090 so far had been MS Flight sim in VR and Cyberpunk with those mental photo realistic mods. Oh, and Cities Skylines 2 when I want to get it to load 😂
Nice Job. I always enjoy your videos. You always show your results, which is important. Thank you for the diversity of testing as well it really highlights were improvements can be made and where at the time of the test differences would be negligible. Personally when I build a system I try to fit some upgrade headroom that allows me to stagger which parts need upgraded each time. That way I can spend a bit more on what need than starting from scratch each time.
My entire new PC was less than just that 4090 alone.
$1700 roughly was the total.
7800X3D, 32 GB 6000 ddr5, 2TB NVME, 7900XT. $60 case, $35 cpu cooler, $80 PSU, $150 Motherboard.
I'm in the same boat, just with a 4070 TI Super instead of a 7900XT, but the other specs are the same as yours! Total price before tax was $1705, finished building it less than 2 weeks ago, and it runs SC (and everything else I throw at it) like a dream.
For the motherboard, I would have gone for something like the ASUS X670E Hero, which has an external clock generator that can actually overclock the 7800X3D. With a good chip, 5.4 GHz is possible, which is about an 11% increase in performance over stock, or 7% over just using PBO and Curve Optimizer. Cache frequency also scales with the core clocks, so that effectively overclocks the cache as well. Pair that with a 2x32GB Hynix A-die memory kit with tuned timings running at 6400 MT/s in Gear 1 or 7800 MT/s or more in Gear 2 with an infinity fabric clock over 2133 MHz and you're golden. The main factor is going to be actually cooling the 7800X3D, lapping or delidding might be necessary even though the CPU only consumes ~60-80W, the very thick IHS is more of an insulator than a heat spreader, so it's really hard to remove heat from the CPU quickly enough.
And this is why people should come to the discord for people way more knowledgeable than me!
Great report, love the approach you took ( each his own, read before you buy). One thing to consider , for maximum performance geeks, look up PCIe NVMe lane splitting , aka if your NVMe is sharing the PCIe x16 bandwidth with NVMe port, best result comes from having NVMe being fed from chipset lane ( aka not GPU PCIe slot). Read the fine manual per motherboard vendor. 😊
PSU is one of those things you’ll keep for next 5y+ I went with 1000w. Consumption is going up anyway, might as well.
AIO is too much money even though it’s cool.
NVMe , 5000mb/sec are plenty, lots choices, be aware to save costs, NVMe vendors are starting to ship NVMe drives without SRAM buffers, so if 4TB looks really “ affordable “ , that’s likely why. Bigger NVMe spread the I/O load on more chips, usually better writes. Reads are usually not an issue on common brands.
I am very happy we have seen this renewed race between Intel and AMD for the most powerful CPUs. If we had not had this race it was have really held back SC. One tip for you for the air cooler get a Thermalright Peerless Assassin 120 SE CPU Cooler They are cheaper and better than the Deep cool. I have installed a lot of them. I really love them. You can get it for less than $35 in the us.
Funny I am selling my Bike to get a new highend PC.
I get NVMe drives simply because I don't have to deal with SATA cables. The NVMe just plugs into the motherboard for a simple neat installation, apart from the fiddle small screw or mounting latch. Also regarding 64GB, I have it and there is no improvement over 32GB for running Star Citizen or any other game, even with a browser open on a secondary monitor watching RUclips or with Erkul or an SC trading site open.
I’m going for a 5090 build next year, meantime Star Citizen is so unoptimised and my 3070 runs everything else just fine, so I don’t see the point in getting the back end 4090 generation now when 5 series is so close.
Yep, I think waiting for the next gen parts is probably the best option unless you are desperate.
If you want to buy a PC for SC instead of a motor cycle you spend 3k
If you want to buy all the ships instead of a new car you spend 50k
edit: also I ran out of RAM a few times over the years in SC so I'll be going for 64 GB once I upgrade with the new AMD CPUs.
Yeah it's pretty unbelievable that the 3k pc is the cheap bit!
ran out of ram? 32gb is fine. Unless you have more money than sense or have prodcutivity software that can benefit form 64gb.
Funny enough i have seen people see performance decreases as they use 4x16gb instead of 2x32gb, as the memory controller can keep the speed as high in expo/xmp.
@@zeroxception I can’t acually agree with that. I upgraded form 32 to 64 gb a few months ago and saw a huge deduction in stutters and game crashes. The game has been a lot more enjoyable since I did that, 100% worth the price. atleast in my case that is
I just built a new pc like 2 or 3 weeks ago. 7800x3d, rog strix 4090oc, x670e taichi, 64g ne0 6000 cl30 ram, samsung 980 2tb and 1tb, 1500w be quiet straight power, deep cool ak500, nzxt h5 elite, replaces the fans with duo fans and got a custom front panel with dust screens. I would recommend still optimizing your shader cache to 10gigs and turning on triple buffering. But in most areas I get pretty good performance. 140fps sometimes. lowest is maybe like 45 in a city... but only certain areas it seems.. other areas in the same city will be 80 or 90 fps... but prob average like 55-65 in the bad cities.
Damn you got me in the first 3 seconds
here i am still playing baldurs gate 3 at native 4k on my 4k oled on my quad core cpu + gtx1080ti xD
Even coming from my GTX 980 in PCIE 8x mode in order to use m.2, I'm STILL holding out to see how the dust settles when the 5090 releases supposedly Q1 of 2025. Either upgrade from 970->5090 or get a 4090 for hopefully less once new series is released. Either way, win win!
It's really crazy that some people are able to tune new technology up to 8000mhz DDR5. Not sure I'd have the patience to fiddle with the individual timings, maybe a board from ASUS with the AI overclocking would be helpful. Would probably just end up going 6000 or 6400mhz kit.
Seems like the intel 13900k/14900kchips are best for current 1% lows --albeit VERY MINOR gains, whereas the AM5 platform will leave a future upgrade path to reduce CPU bottlenecking.
The new 57" Samsung monitor dual 32" 4k layout seems impressive!
If you're going all out, don't forget a monitor that can support your PC's stats. Word of warning to any pvp pilots: superwide looks glorious, but you can easily lose track of target markers if they fly by your sides.
I'm currently on a 34" 1440p curved screen and I can vouch, as pretty as it is I kind of want to downsize to a 32 to track and snap to things better
Noticed I have this issue too, never thought it was because of my monitor. I thought it was just the state of the game.
With 64gb ram Windows has a lot more file system cache. I think that this will reduce stuttering. So yes, on a 3000 euro system absolutely 64 gb ram.
Another excellent video man ❤
I'm an advocate for 64gb of ram with SC in 4k, it often uses 30-32gb if the memory is there to use. o7
I've been building out builds on pc part picker lol. It's fun to window shop. But I do need to upgrade. I've been eyeing an i-9. I'm still trying to decide if i want 32 gb of ram or higher. Could you maybe do a video testing performance with different ram amounts?
It's on my list- just waiting for RAM prices to drop a bit!
I have a I7 14700F, 32GB of RAM DDR5 and RTX 3060 (i'll be buying a RTX 40 series soon), how well do you think star citizen will run for me? Obviously i have an SSD NVME
Should run very well (for Star Citizen). You might need to turn off your ecores, but the 14700F is a very capable CPU and the 3060 should be fine at 1080p. You might want to wait for a free fly event so you can try it for free, should be one in the next few months.
@@tenpoundfortytwo Ok, thanks a lot mate
Hey @tenpoundfortytwo When you're talking about CPU performance, can you show a clip or two of gameplay with an overlay displaying per thread CPU utilization? I think that would really help show how if one thread is maxed out and bottlenecking performance. MSI Afterburner can be used for overlays during gameplay. HWInfo can be used for graphing in the background.
I'd like to test that myself, but it looks like my GTX1060 is too slow to reach CPU bottleneck.
Good suggestion!
Okay so I'm 3 minutes into the video and I have one question. I'm noticing that you're picking the cheaper options because the performance difference isn't that greater with the top of the line option. But the thing is, I thought this video would be about buying the absolute best of the best monster build money is no option PC. The x7950x3D still marginally outperforms the x7800x3D but I think as developers start to take advantage of the architecture, it'll start to edge out more performance. And the x670 being in the same boat, haha.
NO EXPENSE SPARED. THROW YOUR WALLET AT THEM 😂
You've caught my budget side coming out! Personally I wouldn't throw the extra money at parts that won't do anything for performance- but as I say (probably a bit later in the video), these parts are just starting points. If you want to get the more expensive options then feel free!
@@tenpoundfortytwo Indeed, indeed. I was out of the PC gaming scene for several years because I had kids and other responsibilities came about so the only way I was able to game was via console. A friend gifted me a 1070 alienware laptop and it got me back into PC gaming. I then found Star citizen and started to feel sorry for myself. I upgraded to a 3080 gaming laptop but that's still didn't quite feel adequate enough. I saw a video from Xenopotomous on RUclips with his 4090 and I said hell no.
I was making a lot more money now than I was back then and I went crazy with a full NZXT player 3 build. Literally checked all the boxes. I only remember how much I spent when I play anything but star citizen but ironically that's what I built the PC for. lol.
I was just talking to a new SC player about upgrading his PC. he says he will go big or go home. I've linked him your video.
Good stuff, thanks!
And star citizen still chews it up spits it on the floor and rubs your face in it 😂😂
If I currently have a 7800x3d and 64gb of good ram with a 3090Ti is it worth selling to get a 4090? 1440p and 4k…
The 3090ti is still a very good card- idea probably wait for the next gen gpus if I were you!
@@tenpoundfortytwo thank you so much brother, I will hold off until the next generation. You are the greatest!
I play 1440p 240 hz. Do you think Its worth the upgrade for my cpu? I have a 9700k, 3080ti, 32gb ram,ssd, etc. I wanted to upgrade to the 7800x 3d and keep my 3080 ti. Its the evga ftw ultra 3080ti
I just bought a 13900k and 4090 lol
A very nice combo- the intel chips are still very good!
thanks for the video.
No problem!
Awesome content!
I will have you know that for my midlife crisis I bought not only a $3500 PC, but ALSO a motorcycle AND a convertible sports car!
😁 why not!
What about all the ships 🙂
I disagree on the SSD part as I said last year I faced a lot of stutters with a SATA SSD and it's now much much smoother with NVME
It's on my list to retest!
you may not have an ideal situation (a good ssd with a good controller and dram cache, and no bottle necks on the board with other devices sharing that bus)
I was running on an EVO 860 which has some of the best iops of its category. That same config then running on an NVME cleared most of the stutters all of a sudden.
fast nvme (especially Q1T1 rand read) probably helps in situations of high disk activity eg when loading a bunch of assets all at once, say quantum travel exit near a previously unloaded planet body@@tenpoundfortytwo
I just saw this and wanted to come in and flex, I bought new PC around a month ago, 6k dollar for the PC itself and another 2k on a new samsung G9 Oled 49inch is what I forked up ^^ I thought today was the day to test out SC again. So downloading the game as I type this comment. some of the PC specs, GPU 4090 ofc. I7 14900, 64 gig ram and alot alot more :P of the accessory stuff. Ofc I did not buy the PC just for SC, but abit of a future proofing myself and I hate to do small upgrades all the time.
Enjoy! That's a beast of a setup!
@@tenpoundfortytwo Ye, it did cost an arm and a leg tho, But so far It's been worth it to a gamer like me. All I do is work and play so I thought it was time I gift myself an experiance, Was an upgrade from my old I7 2600k and Evga 1080ti FTW3 edition :P
@@Aluzard yeah that makes sense, if you know you'll use it, worth it! Big upgrade!
"Unlimited Star Citizen PC Build!" and straight away goes with the fantastic, really awesome, budget CPU. ;-)
In a game that is mostly memory and cpu limited.
Well at least in a 3k system there is no way a 4090 fits, so at least you do not go that hard overboard on the GPU side of things either. Unless you heavily go cheap on the rest of the components, but than it would not be a good build for Star Citizen anymore, right? RIGHT?!?
Well, at least this video will mean that someone else has done the all the researched needed for me, so that I can just buy what I need instead of needing to do the research myself, because else the video would be pretty pointless.
Hi. I have a am4 MB but I am currently buying parts each month to build a better pc to go with my 7900xtx. I have a 5800x cpu which is good but not am5. I got good case and air.cooling so i only need MB, ram and the cpu. Question....can i simply remove my ssd from this old motherboard and it will fit in new MB and i will have all my old stuff on therr and no need to buy windows again to.install?
Yep that should work, but I would still be tempted to reinstall windows. You'll need to install all the new chip set driver etc, but things can get a bit wonky with windows if you don't do a fresh install. Changing hardware might mean that your windows key won't transfer. The 5800x3d (or 5700x3d), would be a decent bump in performance and you'd just have to change the CPU (and again install some x3d specific drivers). So if you're wanting to keep things simple that's probably the best bet!
@@tenpoundfortytwo thanks,how do i get windows install? i have to buy a new windows? or i dump the recovery stuff onto a usb?
@@Lonely_Goat if you Google windows installation media that should help you out. You can actually get everything installed without having a key, but there are plenty of websites where you can buy one. Id suggest transferring all the files you care about onto a big external SSD.
If anyone fances a great monitor - Drop the 4090 card to a 4080 super or a rx 7900 xt/xtx and get a top end OLED gaming monitor 4k.
variable refresh rate 1440p is a better buy
zen 5 and 6 are to use am5 boards
So I am relatively clueless, doing a mild upgrade in order to play star citizen. Gonna upgrade to 32gb ram and ryzen 5 5600x
Is it worth it?
A 5800X3D would be better- what do you currently have? I'd recommend the discord in the description if you want someone to walk you through it!
So currently I’ve got a ryzen 3 3100 and 16gb so that isn’t good enough. Motherboard can only take upto gen 5 ryzen
@@foureyedluxx4901 A 5600x would be a noticeable upgrade, faster clocks, better IPC and more cores, but stretch to a 5700x3d (or 5800x3d) if you can. I'd rather get an x3d CPU now and put off the RAM upgrade for a few months to save for that than get the RAM and 5600x now/at the same time. RAM can always be upgraded but whatever CPU you get will most likely be the last one for that board, so you might as well get the most life and performance from it that you can.
where is the part of the video where you buy this system and benchmark it
There is a limit to how much I can spend unfortunately!
This is the video for me!
No! You must resist until the next gen parts!
@@tenpoundfortytwo Must.... Resist....
@@XiXGoldeyXiX 😂
LOL I got a new PC 7950x3d 64GB 6000 cl30 Ram RTX4090 6 TB of M.2 Asus X670E hero. Artic freezer II 420 AIO I went for the corsair1600i PSU ( now the 7800x3d ass the 7950x3d died ) then later got a new bike a Kawasaki H2r SX se LOL well ok not new but new to me
Just remember with motherboards and PCIe 5 if your having a top end GPU you can NOT fill the m.2 slots without bringing the GPU PCI-e slot down to only 8 and not 16 so this is why I went for top end board as I filled my board with 4 gen 4 m.2's and not other ssd or hhd
RAM running 64GB is ok but it only gets to 50% load so 323GB should be ok
Nice! If you can get the bike as well, why not!
@@tenpoundfortytwo yes but that one was a 4 year loan LOL
Is Ryzen 5 7500F decently good for Star citizen?
Yeah should be good- should perform about the same as the 7700X in this video: ruclips.net/video/Eg0BrSRLSAQ/видео.html
@@tenpoundfortytwo Okay thanks that's really good then
You should understand WHY an NVMe VS SATA SSD doesn't impact loading of a game. First off, they are the same thing, just a different form factor and the perform the same because the devices HAVE BARELY advanced in technology since inception FOREVER. Que Depth 1 is still pathetically slow, and that's how most applications load. Software doesn't hammer your SSD With 64 queues for loading data to get up to the GBs worth of bandwidth, and people should STOP calling these drives BLAZING FAST, because simply are not.
For the most part, DQ1 is like 50-80 MBs a second....pathetic.
Do you think there’s any real reason to go for the 4080 over a 4070 ti super (except a few fps difference) in star citizen at 4k?
Probably those extra frames will help get you closer to 60fps, but if you don't mind playing at a bit of a lower frame rate then the 4070ti super should do the job!
Hi this is the inly game i want. I jist love the look of the ships. I don't know how i can save that money to afford it. Its just ao cool
I wait for the next generation of GPUs to build a new pc
Is a 4070 good for sc 1440p?
it's over kill, He has other videos that show benefits of other graphics cards used for 1440.
I've found that a 3080 is borderline overkill at 1440p in SC at the moment. But if cig optimise eventually then we may be able to actually hit higher refresh rates. 4070 should be a decent long term option!
Do this but for tight arse minmaxers! 😂
I will at some point!
Lol, with all the money in the world and you still buy the “sensible” parts.
You and I must have grown up in the same house. Haha
My Dad would be proud of me!
Saddly you cant get a good Enduro MTB for that price. A used one for sure.
Low population servers are the key start to great performance.. Server tick rates are horrid on full servers resulting in added poor performance including the frankenstein optimization in place..
MSI GODLIKE X670E
I came here for you to do the research lol...my bad
i got the deal of the decade for 7800x3d 4090 FE 32gb 6000mhz ram and x670e motherboard plus a 1500 wat psu in h5 case and a nzxt 280 aio ($2400) and fukin star citizen keeps crashing my shit lol my 3080 ran it great and i thought shit i will have constant 60 fps with a 4090 ...nope havent been able to figure out why it restarts my pc everytime
Hmm, all bios and driver updated? I'd probably check the ram first, turn off expo and see if it still crashes. But you may have already tried that.
@@tenpoundfortytwo yea i have tried so many things and still reboots well now it either reboots or tells me to check integrity of install i got this end game pc and cant load the game very annoying
@@pakmilli6970 have you reinstalled windows? Sometimes helps
Might be worth trying some monitoring software that can track the temps/hot spots on the 4090, a part could be overheating.
Why does star citizen have to be the ONE GAME that needs a good cpu rather than dumping into the gpu
Yep it's pretty frustrating!
This will change with full Vulcan implementation, then the GPU can start flexing its legs and not CPU bound by the old CryEngine code...
@@SalvageCitizen I really hope it will help!
3k is expensive?
I suppose not in the grand scheme of things. To be honest, I picked the parts first and they just happened to cost around 3k!
Not that I disagree with your advice, but ironically, build guides where you just pick all the best components are way less useful. Funny. 🤔
has anyone tried star citizen on a threadripper build? would it run and use all 64 cores?
Apparently the game will use a lot of cores but for the time being it does still lean heavily on a couple of very fast ones so that is where a threadripper would fall behind an equivalent desktop CPU (as they clock higher). But assuming you're running on a Zen 3 or Zen 4 based threadripper the game would still run fine and hopefully, in time, the reliance on a few very fast threads will be reduced (that is their stated plan, no eta though).
Honestly id focus on saving 5k NVidia and 8k are end of year releases q3-q1 of next year. GPU id def wait but cpu since you can upgrade to 8k on same socket you can get 7800x3d
Also for that power draw a 4090 is 450 alone that system would pull roughly 550-600 during star citizen and for efficiency of the PSu you wanna be around the half way mark. Since its not much more for a 1k psu id just do that to be safe
Also for memory you can look at the mobo supported memory and then look my Hynix
2 k it's much more than you need for sc ...
hardware is useless in bad programmed engine
What if i robbed a bank?
I probably wouldn't recommend it, but you'd be able to get a nice pc!
o7
I hope this has a P5800X 😉 ✌️