Why Is Madison Beer Still Not A Main Pop Girlie?
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The question of what exactly makes a pop star successful is a really interesting one. We can all point to certain characteristics that it seems like popstars need. Catchy songs, a unique aesthetic, a strong likeable personality, connection with fans, stage presence, vocal prowess, song-writing abilities, and being good-looking. Except we all know plenty of popstars who don't possess all of these qualities. There are many major popstars who have little to no song-writing ability, some have very little stage presence, some don't have particularly strong voices, but they are still successful in the music industry. So I think we can agree that you don't need All of these qualities. Just some are enough. But then you get really peculiar examples like Madison Beer, where it seems like she ticks a lot of these boxes, but she still hasn't achieved mainstream success. Her most recent album, Silence Between Songs, debuted with only just over 3 million Spotify streams in its first day. By comparison, some other first-day streaming figures are 60 million for Guts, 43 million for Renaissance and 16 million for Portals. Despite seemingly having everything it takes; she still hasn't made it as a main-pop girlie. Today, I wanna break down why that is. 
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I will tell you why: she keeps doing random things that make her relatable and normal, which is not a quality of a traditional popstar. she hangs out with random youtubers and tiktokers, shes on twitch, she's basically overexposing her brand. its not bad per se, because she's still doing numbers and still gets to live a relateably normal lifestyle.
exactly! ❤️
thats a factor, but so many artists are backed by major labels don't reach "main pop girl" status @@TB-BBBB
Actually no. Doja started online and she’s huge and is constantly as some may put it “over exposing” herself. It’s only because Madison is an independent artist. The music industry is controlled by a few major labels. I didn’t even realize how many great famous artists with millions of views on their music are out there not on the radio until recently. Matrix energy
Olivia Rodrigo does the SAME thing so….
@@ChaoticBun Madison is not an independent artist. She is signed to epic records.
sabrina carpenter and madison beer are in their own category that i cannot define. like they’re pretty, they have a fanbase, they have popstar appeal, and they can sing. but something’s preventing them from seeing any type of major success no matter how long they’re in the industry. but they’re a separate group from the bebe rexhas, zara larssons, ava maxes and kim petras of the world because all four of them have gotten at least one major hit at some point in time. idk. an interesting phenomenon… it’s like they’re cursed with eternal khianess
its like they're... what?
I wouldn’t compare them tbh. Sabrina carpenter puts on very successful concerts and has already developed her own vibe and style as a singer. I don’t even consider her an actress anymore, I say she’s a singer. I wouldn’t say the same for Madison because I always associate her more with Instagram
do you think they lack the X factor?
hm.... i think sabrina has more mainstream success than madison though, sabrina is kinda mainstream with nonsense... kind of. i mean she was on jimmy fallon/kimmel (forgot which jimmy) to perform and stuff so idk. also i mean sabrina is seen as a celeb, way more than madison is seen as a celeb. not hating on madison, this stuff isnt inhernetly good or bad, its just.. the truth
They don't have the "it" factor.
For those comparing Olivia Rodrigo & Sabrina C to Madison Beer, you’re forgetting the fact that Olivia & Sabrina were main characters on Disney shows. That makes a BIG difference
no, honestly i thibk tha beauty and talent are ALL!!! like frrr billie was also a new girl in music and SHE SLAY! olivia and sabrona have unique beauty and talen and have like a personality, MB just look like ALL insta models, and honetsly maybe that why people odmt give her like fame, she is just there, like she is not like talented or sum ...
olivia is actually Good! madison isn't bad but i doubt if she was on the the voice, no chair would turn for her. theres nothing spectacular about her, at least not whats on youtube.
@@hardtymz2517im a huge fan of Olivia Rodrigo for her writing but tbh Madison beer’s vocals are better, I suggest you to watch her lives singing a capella etc she’s really good!
And better singing abilities
exactly! they had massive audiences and fans from those shows that also supported them when they started making music
I think it's cause of the reason you stated. She's perceived as a pretty influencer who does music on the side. Plus she's always negatively associated with someone else she doesn’t really stand alone. She doesn’t have a niche or a solid fanbase she's just there.
Exactly, literally thought she was an OF girl with a RUclips channel
Speak for yourself. She has a lot of fans. And I just bought tickets for her upcoming tour lol
Ballads are still good think of Britney spears for example when she released every time I’m not sure if you know it but it’s still one of her greatest songs I just think the general public sees Madison as an influencer
Her music is actually very good and well thought out, it's because people don't have the patience to discover it.
100 percent agree
It’s fascinating how she’s been around as a singer for a while but people like Olivia have come and overtaken her in terms of success very quickly. It’s not like her songs are bad, I love a lot of them. I’ve heard people say she’s almost ‘too perfect’ and doesn’t want to be vulnerable or look unflattering by expressing intense emotion in videos. And to be fair I have always had that thought but I don’t think it’s enough on its own to justify her lack of success.
@@melodieaka4066 I’m not talking about the actual music or even her voice, I’m talking about the visuals in her music videos and live performances. I agree her music has tonnes of emotion.
Olivia has a mob of song writers copying popular songs for her. Ask Paramore.
@@melodieaka4066 No girl, they mean her Facial Expressions and the way she moves her body. As a long time Madison fan I agree with this. If she does make a "silly" face it's almost always sexual... Like on GMM.
The fact Madison deserves the success more than olivia 😔
It’s because at the moment she could’ve blown up, she blew it. There was a lot of controversies with her (whether it be her fault or not) that made people dislike her. Her voice was also not as good or trained as now and many people said that she was overrated. She could’ve been the it girl but the timing wasn’t right and the hype with her has died down since.
i don’t think it’s some sort of conspiracy. there have always been pop stars who just aren’t as popular as the biggest ones. not everyone is going to become a massive global star that can sell out stadiums, and it doesn’t make them a failure if they don’t. when Britney and Christina were the main pop girls, Mandy Moore and Willa Ford were the less successful ones even if they got a couple hits and had niche fanbases. Madison seems to be making the type of music she wants to make, so that is a win for her.
Exactly
Love this perspective.
I do agree that the ultimate goal probably isn’t to be shoved down everyone’s throat but to rather be happy with what you put out and have dedicated fans.
Damn the fact that i don't even know who willa Ford is
@@adoptedbyangelinajolieI WANNA BE BAD
I think it’s because her reputation is ruined. She got hate on social media from girls that would’ve been her core fanbase and now most people don’t take her seriously.
The hate wasn’t even valid 😭
@@lorellaz it wasn’t valid at all. The hate she got was so random and mostly because girls were just jealous of her
girls were just jealous of her and the hate was so stupid
@@DazzlingStar99 yeah I know what a shame because Madison is such a talented girl :(
@@lorellazbut she addressed it too much directly on streams and things like that
i honestly don’t really think she wants to go down the traditional popgirl route. she’s just authentically herself. shes always interacting with her fans and followers, talking about hard topics in her songs, being open, streaming on twitch, and just normal things that other pop girls can’t/don’t want to because they want to keep their celeb mystic. you can tell she’s in it for the MUSIC and not the fame.
make sense why she's a lana stan tbh
Wow that’s refreshing and really nice.
But that is not what the majority of people see - I know of her because I thought she was an over exposed nepo-baby with a guest spot on drag race. I’m honestly pleasantly shocked to hear that her music is anything of substance.
Lol WOW. Yes her music is good
Is that why she stopped streaming on twitch after she was done promoting her new album.
Her look has held her back. Obviously she is stunning but not in that approachable, relatable way that many pop girls are when they start out. Madison has always looked like the girl they cast as the beautiful mean girl in teen movies, whereas you could cast Britney, Dua, Olivia, Taylor, Selena, Demi, Miley, Billie, Ariana as the relatable character who you root for (especially when they debuted), even though they are all gorgeous as well. This matters when you are trying to appeal at first to pre-teen and teen girls. It also didn't help Madison with being linked to Justin Beiber, the Magcon guys, David Dobrik which just made those peoples fans view her as competition.
She's a young megan fox
Everyone want to look like a baddie. When a star looks like the dream of every woman, it fills them with outrageous jealousy
@@GROOVwithmewell not every women wants to look like her lol. So generalizing every girl as the same maybe isn’t the best approach here. I understand if you like her look or would like to look like her, but not every women thinks that.
@@alvafairchild13yep i've noticed so many parallels between them, bet it's going to play out similarly like in 10 years we're gonna be seeing articles titled "we all owe madison beer an apology" like there were for megan when people realized they hated on her for no real reason other than how she looked lol
OMG that’s true they all started pretty but “normal”
It’s okay to not be a main pop girlie. But I feel like she has a lack of branding that makes her distinct. Same with her sound. The main pop girls have their marketing down to a T. With Taylor swift, you expect nostalgia, relatability, girlhood, very honest but easy to understand lyrics, girl next door. Her writing style is what separates her. she visually has a look to her and although it changes throughout the years it’s still the same. She manages to get that coming of age girlhood experience into a catchy song
Beyoncé you expect perfection, glamour, maturity, mystique, strong vocals. Strong performances that are both vocal heavy and choreography heavy. Her voice is distinct, she has this growl to her voice that she does often, couple that with her southern accent. She blends many different sounds but she takes a lot of inspiration from Africa, southern black aesthetics and sounds. Her blackness is apart of her brand. So is her sex appeal and feminist ideas. And mature subjects like marriage. She has the whole queen bey so now people associate her with bees. Yellow is always associated with her.
Ariana grande again has a very distinct voice, her lack of enunciation, high pitch, lots of runs etc. Her sound is rnb pop adjacent. She has a more girlier aesthetic to her. Cute yet sexy. Over the years she would have a signature look. The ponytail, the half up half down, the cat ears, the crew neck and thigh high boots combo. Now she has a very old money but more cuter and modern.
Madison lacks a lot of descriptive words to her brand she’s kinda all over the place. No look, no sound, her voice isn’t bad but it’s not as distinct as others. Even if you have a strong image and core brand sometimes that doesn’t mean you’ll be a main pop girly but it can almost always guarantee a strong fanbase.
If you can associate topics, aesthetics, genres, even down to colors with an artist they are doing everything right.
extremely well said !
yessss!!!!
i have to disagree. if you really follow her, listen to her music, the lyrics, the production... madison beer is heavy ballads, deliriousness, trauma healing, rick and morty, fight club, alice in wonderland, white, brown & baby pink, frilly socks & bows. she's a song writer, a blend of 60s crooners' dreaminess, lana del rey's sad girl meloncholy, ariana grande's strong but light and airy head voice, sometimes she is tame impala. madison seems to be very intellectual and serious about her music but because of her looks aswell misogyny (ie: men are very much less likely to be discredited because they are attractive, if a man is attractive and talented it's seen as a plus) and the lack of marketing. a lot of people write her off as an "instagram influencer" when she is so much more. as mentioned in the video, i definitely believe if her label made a better job at promoting her finding descriptive words would be a whole lot easier for the general public. not much people care to watch her interviews
u literally said you disagreed but listed a whole bunch of adjectives that werent even cohesive including other artists lol like Lana del rey already has her own vibe trying to replicate that or being the Walmart version of her vibe doesn't make her distinguishable at all she needs her own uniqueness which imo she hasn't found yet but she's a lot closer than years ago. originally commenter said Madison was all over the place and you just proved them right bc no way Lana del rey was in the same comment as rick and morty wtf@@glove3694
@glove3694 Ehile I do agree that misogyny is definitely a part of why she's not as successful as she could be i think lacking strong aesthetic inclination/presence or distinctive style are what make most onlookers write her off as an IG influencer who does music on the side.
She has that LA instagram influencer circa 2016 david dobrik crew style of dressing. Which is to say she looks put together but very casual at the same time.
Even influencers who started off on youtube who want to be taken seriously have evolved in their style, Emma Chamberlain, Hila Klein, Brettman Rock, even the Jenner sisters.
Main pop girls:
Olivia rodrigo- gen z girl next door tumblr/pinterestcore
Billie eilish - soft yet prickly
Melanie Martinez - alien shenanigans(just stong fully conceptualized worlds lol)
Dua lipa - Retro IT GIRLIE valley of the dolls supermodel(she also struggled to find her place in pop music before settling her aesthetic presentation into this niche)
I think another part is that she has always been more inclined into a Ballad type of artist, which is not the genre that the general public pays attention too. But in a serious note, all her ballads has always been beautifully written
I do seems to notice recently that after the release of SBS, Madison's die hard fanbase has started to increase
She also said she's planning not only a MV but also an EP thats a pop version of SBS before the start of her tour, I truly hope it would boost her popularity she deserves
I think that’s why Selfish was such a hit
Also all her songs are sad
Yes i love madison but her songs are pretty boring or they sound like Ariana grande wannabe songs. I was excited for her new album but I only liked 3 songs. The rest all sound the same.
“the general public doesn’t pay attention to ballad artists” maybe you’re just very oblivious to them? maybe you just know nothing about musicians?
*Adele, Celine Dion, Whitney Houston, Christina Aguilera, Prince, Elvis Presley, Patti Labelle, Mariah Carey, Beyoncé, Jennifer Lopez, Alicia Keys, John Legend, Bruno Mars, Michael Jackson, Ella fitzgerald, Aretha Franklin…*
I could keep going but i guess you’re totally right, none of these people were ever that famous anyway because the general public just doesn’t pay attention to ballad artists :P
I was thinking this too while listening to her album! She probably just needs a rebrand. I grew up singing ballads and now there aren't many artists to listen to in this genre.
This is the nature of the music industry. The vast majority of music artists do not become Taylor Swift, Drake or Beyonce. Even if you are an artist with a few moderate hits, like Madison, youre already doing better than the vast majority of artists. I think her marketing has meant that Madison is more percieved as an influencer that dabbles in music (a la Bella Poarch), rather than a musician who is also an influencer.
I find it so curious how people tend to compare her to Ariana. I literally can't see the similarities. Madison's lyrics in her debut album are unexpectedly deep, I don't think she does the type of music people would expect her to make.
True. But vocally she’s very similar to Ariana. I prefer her actually, it’s the perfect vocals for ballads
sometimes her fashion and beauty looks are similar to ariana's signature looks. also, they are a bit similar vocally.
If you can’t “literally” see the ponytails an whole -god is a woman- aesthetic, let me tell you that millions of us can PRACTICALLY and THEORETICALLY see the huge mistake “her team” or her did by trying to be Ariana 2.0. Too obvious, too detrimental. Unless, they were looking for plummeting her into a copycat aesthetic. Which… literally cannot, just cannot
🤭🤣
I'd say she's on the same League as bella poarch
@@kyramoonrise9064 Oh, yeah. I forgot Ari has invented ponytails. My bad 🤗
her music isn't even mainstream, madison doesn't want to be a main pop girl - she just wants to be apreciated for her music. in that category with lana, lorde, mitski, sky ferrera, poppy etc
what her music is definitely mainstream
literally no it's not, other than the lead single baby and selfish all her songs on life support drifted into thhat alternative side of music, and on her recent album silience between songs you can clearly hear a distinct sound from what is played on the radio - you have songs on her album with samples from 80's artists and pyshcadelc songs not manstream at all @@Mia-ek1jp
@@selenesaint yk dua lipa does the same and she still mainstream the only difference is that her songs are catchier listen to home to another one and tell me it’s not mainstream
@@Mia-ek1jpHow is SBS mainstream-?
I mean this kindly but she will never be like them and I don't think she wants to. She wears whatever is trending where as all of those other ppl have a look that is not trending, even her face she look exactly like cindy Kimberly, loren grey, meghan fox, nikita dragun. And the ppl she does collabs with are also extremely mainstream. I think she might get there in a few years (say 3-7) but she's kind of lost and trendy right now. Her looks cater completely to mainstream pop, with the makeup, hair, and outfits. I think she'll create her aesthetic soon though. But the cargo pants and pigtails have to go. It's giving fashionova, pretty little thing, white fox, everytime I see her bc of the type of work she had done. She doesn't make r&b. If she had a natural face w a unique features she could dress however she wanted.
The thing about Olivia Rodrigo is that she was already well-known for her acting and singing. Mentioning Taylor Swift didn't hurt her image because she was already known.
God I love Olivia
I would like to add that Olivia began her journey to fame with a relatively clean slate. While she had a presence on a Disney Channel series, she was otherwise not widely known. On the other hand, Madison entered the scene during a time when many influencers were venturing into music, resulting in a sound that was somewhat generic. Her relationship with Jack Gilinsky and her association with other Vine and RUclips influencers of the era somewhat confined her to a particular image. Consequently, when it came time for Madison to express herself authentically through her music, a significant portion of the audience had already lost interest in her as a singer, recognizing her primarily as a prominent influencer. Moreover, the unjustified criticism she faced at the start of her career also played a role in this decline, with many people choosing to join the Madison Beer hate bandwagon when it was at its peak.
True. She is just another Disney artist being promoted
@@kylelennon333ariana , miley and selena were also all kids tv actresses and look at them now it’s better to start as an actress than with a scandal
She’s always given me influencer vibes, and tbh no it’s not because she’s “too pretty.” She hangs out with influencers, dates influencers, never collaborates with other singers, and her music for me just honestly isn’t that good. She has a couple songs that are catchy but none of them really grab your attention like that. She seems like a super sweet girl, and very talented as well, but I think her lack of status as a singer isn’t due to her being “too pretty” (which she seems to insinuate and that’s also something that turns people off), it’s due to how she has marketed herself.
every celebrity hangs out with influencers, what are u on?? Shes not popular because she writes music FOR HERSELF.
@@dhuejshsiwnxjwfr like the lines between Internet Celebs/Influencers and normal Celebrities are blurring more and more, I’ve seen tons of TikTok’s of celebrities collaborating with random influencers
@@dhuejshsiwnxjwnah legends like drake, Beyoncé, riri, Taylor etc don’t do that. They only hang around mainstream or very well known figures
I agree tbh. I have caught “reckless” floating in my head a few times and she has a good voice but there’s something about what she puts off in her music and her vibe in general (at least from my extremely small pool of knowledge about the topic) that just feels like there’s a lack of deep passion. Also that from what i know of her that she’s always apart of some weird drama either about her appearance or some minuscule thing that’s not that deep. Ik this is rude to say but to me and I think the general population she just feels very bland.
she is too pretty because jealous girls hated her from beginning since monster high single and since justim bieber hyped her
I know nothing about this girl other than the Justin Bieber connection, which definitely harmed her, considering that Justin Bieber’s fanbase was younger girls who would OBVIOUSLY not welcome Madison with open arms, but instead get bitter that she knows Justin, and get jealous. It was stupid and money-hungry of her team to not see this beforehand.
By the time she was making her own thing, Ariana Grande had already done the same thing but better.
Yes u have to move with the times
i find it so interesting how both madison and sabrina carpenter have been in this industry longer than olivia has, yet olivia just has something about her that makes her completely stand out. i cant put my finger on it cuz all of them are super talented, but there’s just something about olivia that sets her apart
in my opinion, Olivia has a muuuuuch more memorable sound. Better lyricism, better songwriting....etc. I dont think they can all be put in the same category for that reason
Olivia is more relatable. Pretty but not too pretty. Seems like a girls girl. Probably gets along with everyone. Strong writing and music composing
I’m 27 so I’m a little older than Madison, Olivia or Sabrina’s target demography. And I don't really follow their drama or listen to any of their interviews. But out of the 3, I definitely listen to Olivia A LOT more. She just has better music. So for the rest of us casual listeners, I think it boils down to the music quality and Olivia, in my opinion, is the best songwriter out of the 3.
i honestly think Madison’s start in the music industry is what’s holding her back. she first got famous because Justin posted her on his twitter and she responded to it acting like he had just discovered her out of the blue. later on we found out that Madison’s mom is longtime friends with Scooter Braun and that’s why Justin posted her. as soon as we found out she was an industry plant i think that ruined the intrigue for a lot of people. of course that’s not the sole reason, i know a lot of people aren’t even aware of her start but i think she could’ve been a lot more successful if her rise to fame was more authentic and less calculated. if you compare that to how Olivia got famous it’s night and day. people fell in love with her music because it felt raw and genuine. Olivia’s rise to fame is probably just as calculated as Madison’s but the difference is that it wasn’t as obvious.
Their team matters. Olivia’s team are very supportive of her vision. It seems to me that Olivia also has a good relationship with her team. I think that’s what sets them apart.
honestly i think the biggest reason she isn't as popular as the other pop girlies is because she makes music for herself and that's what i love about her. she already has few songs that went viral on tik tok and she could easily make another one but she chooses not to.
THIS!!
Very truw
very very real. the girls that get it, get it
i got to interview her last month before the album drop and asked her about commercial pop hits and she literally said: "There are those songs in there, whether it’s ‘17’, ‘Showed Me’, ‘Home to Another One’ or ‘Sweet Relief’ that have a bit more of a vibe and kick to them I guess and I can always make more upbeat songs and do whatever, but I try not to put too much pressure on it because when you’re releasing an album, you want it to do well and think you have to have pop records on it to balance out the ones that aren’t, but I don’t actually need to do any of that. I want to create projects that feel good to me."
EXACTLY!!! the girls who get it, get it and the girls who dont, dont.
I've said it before and I will say it again, Madison is very pretty and she makes good songs, but there's an emptiness there, there's always something missing, and she still doesn't have a sound! It's just a bunch of sounds but it's not a song...I hope she gets it right one day, I hope she finds something that clicks and lands with the audience.
her newest album is definitely getting closer to what her sound really is
Yes she does…she has more of a sound than the rest of the girls out tf u talking abt
I agree there’s an emptiness there but it’s a bit odd how Ice Spice can be given a dozen opportunities talking about showing her underwear and Madison has to write deep, introspective songs to try to get the same clout.
@@Angel_Auraa girl what ur talking about completely different artists in different genres
@@Mayagemma5401 she’s known for OF and gram, instant way to not grow
I still see her as a pretty influencer who does music. Like I follow her cause she’s attractive & I like her makeup but I don’t check in with her music. And it’s not like I didn’t try, it’s just TOO based on ballads
Ballads re the best
@@bigbootyboy420 humbled disagree. But that’s the thing if she was aiming for commercial success, ballads aren’t usually the way unless you’re like.. Adele
@@crystalcastillo7575i agree, i feel like she saw the success of “selfish” and started doing these emotional slow ballads. sonically, i feel like i enjoyed her last album way better. it was a perfect opening. “sour times” and “follow the white rabbit” are still some of my favorites. i didn’t like anything from her recent album it was very boring, which i was sad about because i love her as an artist. it just felt flat.
@@ely.00 interesting take, honestly I kinda tapped out of her music after her first album but given reviews like yours, it really makes me not check out this most recent album especially if people are saying it’s a step down from her first one. It’s a shame cause she can sing but she doesn’t make songs that appeal to me. I really can’t stand when a body of work is mostly ballads. 😭
@@crystalcastillo7575girl listen to sweet relief, spinnin, and home to another one
I think people need to realize that it’s okay to not be an it-girl. She has a great voice, she’s very pretty, and she’s relateable and kind. It’s okay to not be incredibly famous. I can assume she’s also alright with that fact. She’s top tier in my eyes, and if it’s not the same for you, it’s okay, her chart success does not amount to the actual content we’re given.
Everything I have ever seen about her is very influencer like. Clips of her gaming, videos with the latest gossip about her. The whole plastic surgery speculation. I've seen people comment saying they thought she was an influencer and had no idea she even made music.
The issue is honestly nothing to do with these controversies in the past. It's simply marketing. She comes across as Hailey Bieber or Gigi Hadid. They are just famous for being famous.
Her music is never promoted or played anywhere. Only song I know of hers is the collaboration with Jax Jones called All Day and Night but that only got mildly popular at the time because Jax Jones is a pretty radio heavy popular producer here in the UK.
She needs to be highlighted more for her music and not for her personality or personal life.
I agree! I love her so much and her music as well, i listened to her music as far as All for love which is before she made her EP or any album (like over 6 years ago) and I listened to all her albums and I enjoyed them so much and yet, I still see her as an influencer somehow 😅
I’ve never even heard that song lol
Sorry but compare her😂😂 to Gigi & Hailey is ridiculous, those two stand out in their fields, Hailey is the brand ambassador to lots of brand & Skincare brand owner, she stands out in that area especially with everything she does becoming trends or her product selling out. Madison shines where she isn't supposed to in the "influencer" place instead of artistic. While Hailey is more know for setting trends cause that is actually he🎉r job.
@@florencembah2626I’d have argued more to Gigi being the “working” one but huh. To each their own lol
@@abyblue7287 working as how? Runway? Modelling has different field lol, I'm guessing you don't know how it's works, Hailey design for brands like mui mui & has a clothing line with vouge she personally put together, she a brand ambassador for SL, lots of other brand. Then she has her own skincare brand which according to the people working with her she very involved & organize the artistic promotion. So sorry if I compare what they both do, Hailey is more actively "working" than Gigi.
Sometimes it’s just easy to say why: she doesn’t have the It factor: the charisma that makes a popstar so far away untouchable and so relatable at the same time. The pretty factor is here but her way of being and her behavior doesn’t exude this « thing » that most popstars have like britney or beyonce or blackpink, she just looks like the very pretty girl who happens to sing well also. ❤
I disagree. Cardi b goes on live passing gas on the toilet and Doja is always live streaming. These stars are very accessible
Hit the nail on the head! She also tends to look very unapproachable, like she’s almost TOO perfect looking? Idk
@@feliciaboston6365she said “untouchable yet so relatable at the same time” so yeah basically all of them r relatable let’s not pretend the reason for her not being popular is bcuz she’s relatable cuz I’ve never related to her especially when she tries ti convince ppl she never had plastic surgeries like her life depends on it when she clearly had. she’s pretty and some of her music is good i still follow her on instagram but i see why she’s not a top popstar
@@feliciaboston6365so? cardi and doja still have the IT factor which people like madison, gracie abrams, sabrina carpenter etc just don’t have 🤷♀️
@@meeraguzarish5945explain whats their it factor
i think mads is not trying to be a main pop girlie, but rather people who are interested in her niche, vibe, and storytelling to be the ones listening to her and building on that.
she's been in the "mainstream/general public" eye in her past, and she really tries to broaden her music taste and art into not being boxed into curating stuff thats just "pop". so i think madi's purposely choosing a slow burn but embracing the beauty of it
I agree. She tried that route and it broke her down.
literally, and once it was revealed that her idol is lana del rey, and she takes inspo from the 80's era of music and wants to go more down that path it was very obvious that who she was as an artist is not what others think of her
i love madison beer. if she has one fan i am her. if she has no fans i am dead. she’s so underrated and deserves to be appreciated her music is amazing
I was waiting for an explanation about how dating Jack Gilinsky really harmed her reputation even more. It wasn't just fans hating here, it was also the drama surrounding her that affected her even more and made her seem like a liar. Not only that but I think her team also failed to market her as a singer, her brand seems to be based on her looks and nothing else, this makes it really difficult for her audience to connect with her in a deeper level, she is only seem as an influencer and not as a singer which is sad :/
I agree, the main problem is her team not focusing on making catchy music and just relying on soft ballads and looks
i love madison and her music soooo much. sbs was beautifully written and deserved so much more. i agree with what you said, even though she’s insanely unattainably gorgeous, she’s too normal as a person to be a main pop girl. she’s mentioned before that her lack of mainstream success isn’t a problem to her and im glad she doesn’t see it as a fault.
Yeah, I think as long as she has a solid fan base and is able to tour, she is happy with that level of success. No desire to be a top pop girl.
I also think it’s because of the people she associates with. Like, Miss girl is currently(?) dating a TikToker and used to date a viner, which doesn’t really scream ‘popstar’. Plus, I think people just know her as a pretty girl rather than someone who makes music
Noy yall calling her miss girl lmaoooo
Because of who she dates? A lot of popular, famous women date sub-par men and are still superstars. This is irrelevant.
She's boring @@shizzlemywizzle1
@@shizzlemywizzle1 well established famous people who have already made a name for themselves, not up and coming ones like Madison. Plus the people they date aren’t usually social media influencers
This is going to sound really dumb but I feel like Madison Beer seems too perfect?
She's beautiful, she naturally looks like a snatched Instagram filter, and she has a fantastic body, so she looks just like a model. Then you find out she sings, and it's like ok she's a SiNgEr, but her music is actually good, then it's like "she probs doesn't sing live tho" but she DOES and her performances are fantastic.
I found out about her from Just Dance of all places.
I just think maybe she doesn't have the relatability of an early Dua Lipa or the public vulnerability of Billie Eilish (even though I know she's open about her mental health).
The fact she was here before billie and olivia and still not same level of fame is crazy
Billie and Olivia have made hits songs that charted the Billboard. Madison fails to make hit songs unfortunately, her team is to blame too for sticking with soft ballads and her looks
She just doesn't stand out.. she's pretty, talented but there something missing like a wow factor which makes her unique or different then the rest. Idk how to explain it.
She's more unique than most artists on the radio. That's not the issue.
i don’t think so. i feel like her voice is really unique and she puts on a damn good performance. the main problem is her label
whaaat y’all say anything to justify it but she is so unique 😭
She's just the "pretty girl" kinda like the popular girls in school just there, pretty but not interesting..
She’s got the looks, she’s got the voice, she just doesn’t have any hit songs and that’s what’s missing.
I’m actually not surprised she isn’t a main pop girl after all this time. I remember when she was first being introduced and how it all came out he mom knew scooter and obviously Justin on posted about her because of that. She had lied about it over and over and then finally changed her story. It was a bad start to her reputation and also everyone now knew she has connections and wasn’t some lucky regular girl.
Then there’s the problem with how she just doesn’t stand out. She looks like a pretty instagram baddie. Which isn’t unique.
Have u seen an Instagram baddie?…shes slender…nothing alike
@@parisgreen6737 lmao I guess all you think of is a butt when I say that? She has the typical instagram girl face. Which means she isn’t unique looking. You knew what my point was. Plus, instagram girls can be skinny lol? Not every single one of them have to have big fake butt in order to achieve the basic look. Her face has the extremely typical kardashian popularized features and contoured makeup and that’s enough to make her blend in to the sea of other pretty girls on the internet.
I never knew anything about her , I only listen her one song " Reckless " and the song is good but It's not something that get you to know more about the artist . And it's strange that she's beautiful but don't have an aura that catches your eye ( I'm not beautiful and not hating her)
She is really talented and has a beautiful soul. Her music is amazing and even Elton John recognised her song writing. Scooter did her wrong and her new song King of everything talks about it.
Her video of her singing the anthem at a hockey game always gives me chills from how good she is.
I wish her success and happiness, she deserves it.
Scooter didn't do her bad, she was promoted people just didn't buy her stuff I guess
People won’t face the fact that a lot of people are just jealous of her. She has it all. Beauty and talent. People hate to see that
No, we love to see beauty and talent and admire people who have that.
no, we love beauty and talentm oliva, sabrina, taylos or billie, for me they are like talented and beautiful, and we are bot jeaolus of them....
She isn't much talented otherwise she would have been a hit long ago
Her latest album Silence between songs is charting number 1 in UK. 💗🥳
But no one cares about UK charts
@@maddfinn11speak for yourself
@@Metimewithmyself exhibit A Rita Ora lol
4 years ago she really was at the top with that Jax Jones song. I discovered her talent in that mash up vid with Conor Maynard and her part has always been my favourite.
She currently has the no.1 selling album on iTunes in the UK all thanks to performing “Showed Me” on Strictly Come Dancing” and that song is also in the iTunes top 10. Her performance was SO good! ❤️❤️
But thats only in the uk. She is not pne the big ones. Sabrina is even bigger than her. I don’t recall ever hearing a song by madison on my country’s radio but i have heard sabrina
thank you sm for this video. ive been a fan of hers since 'as she pleases' but i have known about her before. this video ties everything together and makes sense to what has happened to her behind the scenes. its very unfortunate that has happened and I hope she gets the recognition she deserves
I also don’t think she wants to be. Recently, I listened to her audiobook and her Zachsangs interview and she seems to just want to write and make music that feels authentic to her and allows her the create a safe space for her and her fans.
She’s literally releasing bops, touring, doing numbers. Not everyone needs to be Beyoncé.
Lmao. Be real. Not one of her songs has been a "bop." And, no, I'm not at all a hater. I've been listening to her music for years but still waiting for her to release an actual "bop" song so she can take off. Her biggest "bop" was when she did K/DA- POP/STARS and that was a huge song in the gaming community when it came out. And that song wasn't even a true "bop" song but it's the closest she's gotten. Since then, she's just released melancholic ballads. Boring, slow/medium-tempo songs.
She makes music that caters to her tastes, which is fine. But she will never reach superstar levels of fame releasing these same type of ballads. She has the beauty just not yet does she have a sound that caters to the general public. Again, her choice to make music that makes her happy and that's perfectly fine. I'm happy if she's happy.
But specifically to answer the question of why she hasn't reached mainstream popularity, it's simply because she doesn't make mainstream music. Not one of her songs are fun, up-tempo, make-you-wanna-move music.
It's not that " not everyone needs to be Beyoncé" ... it's Not everyone can be Beyoncé . 😊
I think the main reason is that she just isn't unique enough. She looks like Ariana Grande, her music has very obvious influences and I don't think she has a single song that couldn't be sung by some other pop girl. Also, she's not under a major label.
her new album Silence Between Songs is really a departure from from her other work. She is truly taking the time to find her voice and her sound and SBS is definetly her best attempt at it. Her work is finally maturing and I think she’s finally creating a name for herself
"she looks like ariana grande" disregarded all what u said. almost all of her songs are about her experiences and family, wdym she is not "unique enough"
@@advaitsingh8074 I think it's solid at best just because a lot of the songs sound similar to me. Lyrics are good, vocals are good. Again, just not anything that stood out to me.
@@vincebuenaventurablanco4648 singing about experiences and family is nothing new, nothing unique in pop music. I think people just tend to look at her as an influencer who makes music.
@@mia-oq6qf the way u never understoo my reply,,,
I beliieve talking about her relationship with her brother for an example makes her unique, talking about family is generic what I meantwas the story that she wants her fans to know. there is nothing really unique in music in this time of age if that helps u understand.
this is so real. she has the look and vocals, but for some strange reason she's super underrated.
Could you make an analysis on Ariana Grande? Like how she went from an ordinary pop star to superstardom? I've always wondered how she escaped that zone... because people didn't really take her seriously in the past. I theorised that it was the Thank U, Next album, specifically the 7 Rings song that boost her career and made her look luxurious? idk how to explain it, but ppl kept referring her as the "biggest pop star on the planet, she can have anyone, etc etc" when the Ethan Slater scandal was happening, and a lot of ppl were saying how The Voice couldn't afford to keep her as a judge anymore too.
Her songs are impactful or great to begin with. Diving into this would be really interesting.
I think it all even started from Dangerous Woman like lets be real, the world Ate that album up
Dangerous Woman, Into You, Side to Side, Greedy. She was pretty much everywhere as people liked her music + multiple hits until the Manchester b*mbing happened
She grief with the victims and helps raise funds to compensate the victims with One Love Manchester. People admires her for that and even at her lowest, she managed to comeback with the Sweetener album
Sweetener alone has No Tears Left To Cry, God is a Woman, R.E.M, Breathin. She produced multiple hits again, and people are astonished
Only by Thank You, Next, she finally solidified herself the stardom status.
Even before Dangerous Woman, she already catapult multiple hits in My Everything album like Love Me Harder, Break Free, One Last Time, Problem. Its just that people finally take her seriously by Dangerous Woman
She at least has 4 hits with every album she puts out, and it kept her relevancy until now
The sweetener album is what launched her career. It is what it is. She used the tragedy but came back with more mainstream style rnb music
Ariana was NEVER ordinary. She already has it factor since she was a kid.
it's a pity she can't be an "it girl" popstar. seh has everything it takes to be one: her music is original and quality-like, her voice is powerful with an impressive vocal range and impeccable agility, her looks are awesome, her overall aesthetic is gorgeous. some people just can't realise how amazing she is, and that's such a shame. i guess having a problematic career has been the answer to her not being mainstream, but she can't be blamed for that, since it has been about her label and random shit people exaggerate. i love her truly and am happy she gets to be a musician and have fans that support her no matter what.
She has the potential but lacks the hits. Ariana Grande has so many controversies and problematic moments but still stays relevant because she makes hit songs. Olivia Rodrigo had less time in the music industry but quickly outshined Madison because she made so many hit songs. Madison just needs to do more mainstream music and less soft ballads
You got it right with jealousy. She's the type of pretty where it can make you insecure and breeds jealousy/hate. Soooo many ppl hate her for no reason and think she's had everything handed to her causing them not to want to support her. Ive literally heard stans admit this which is kinda sad
Its not a lie though she isn't that great as a singer
ugh i love her so muchhhh !! she deserves so much more than she has 🤍
I wish her all the best - but imo being a „main pop girl“ is not the ultimate goal for everyone. I think Madison is just so open, self aware and down to earth, that she will always kinda stay humble. That‘s one of the reasons I like her sm. Also - a lot of other GREAT artist aren‘t „main pop“. Look at Marina Diamandis, or James Blake - who even sings in one of his songs „at least I can see the faces of the smaller crowds“. They‘re not mainstream and will openly never strive to be because they‘d rather reach less people with their true creative selves.
yes EXACTLY i love her for that reason
I get that hope Madison can achieve something else
Because she is so beautiful that people have a hard time understanding that she can also sing
She can't though atleast not that great
Way better singers than her
imagine being held back by ur beauty...
She’s honestly so beautiful❤ Hope she breaks through. I enjoy some of her songs 🥰
Her beauty overshadow her music that’s why you have to be careful when using sex to sell you have to use it in a balance
Incredibly well done video!!
It’s really no different from why all the talented people who appear and win on singing competition shows rarely make it in the industry. Talent only accounts for so much. It’s really about star appeal. Some folks have it and others don’t.
thanks for posting this. You're right, I only recently discovered her music. She's genuinely talented.
For me, her persona and music doesn’t seem genuine, she doesn’t have a unique standout factor, and she’s too neat/plays her career to safe/doesn’t take risks. Plus it’s so hard for her to break out of the influencer career into a pop star career
I was thinking that. Whether she got surgery or not, I truly believe people don't trust her. Performative activism allegations and flaky friends like David Dobrik do her an immense disservice in this department
everyone is sleeping on her. She's beyond talented and sweet.
She's average honestly
It’s really awful the hate train throughout the decades that has followed Madison, her voice and music and life/stories behind the music is so good. What a shame, she’s strong and had to grow a lot to overcome such public hate. May she keep on striving and having seemingly and hopefully self love, that’ll take her a long way
Decades ? She has barely sung for one decade
the biggest reason is that people hate her because she's pretty.
One of the reasons I believe why she isn't as successful is because of her looks and how she chooses to present herself a lot of times. She is so damn gorgeous that people mistake her for an instagram model and don't care about her music. Her attractivness overshadows her music, which I personally find mediocre.
It's kinda like Megan Fox. Everyone always talks about her how pretty and hot she is/was in Transformers. But no one talks about her as an actress and about her acting skills
hate to say it but i think it's because she's too perfect. people will like someone who isn't afraid to show some imperfect parts of themself, so that they can relate to that person.
She isn't perfect at all though
She just doesn’t have interesting branding, doesn’t get into any high profile scandals and is just very low key in general. Olivia for example had a huge drama at the same time her music was being releasing. Beyoncé as a young artist also had lots of issues with her girl group and was all over tabloids + her genre was also kinda a unique twist of R&B and pop. Melanie Martinez is one of the most recognisable faces because she makes herself look that way. Ariana Grande had the little girl act going + unique voice, Taylor Swift writes super personal songs and is really nice to people, Harry Styles wears nail polish and skirts + drama from group split… Not to mention some huge pop icons like MJ, Madonna, Britney and Gaga who are super recognisable in every way possible. Justin Bieber became famous for being a really talented kid, Doja Cat was taking the p*ss in her songs, Katy Perry had a cartoony vibe and lots of publicised drama, Disney girls had a whole generation of growing up Disney fans to support them after they ventured out…
Madison is doing great compared to how every one of these huge pop stars is right now, so the low key act might be what’s best for her 🤷🏻♀️
Madison beer has a more unique face than Melanie Martinez 😊
@@feliciaboston6365that is an interesting opinion, but I think in most cases a half pink half black hair with no eyebrows, tooth gap and creepy doll clothes is more memorable than standard hair, standard clothes, standard music, standard voice and no definitive facial features… she is too well balanced and conventional in every single way, and in most cases the ones who leave an impression are those who fluctuate sharply from the norm. I don’t know of any trends that Madison has set, but it could just be me not being too in on the TikTok phase 🤷🏻♀️
@@feliciaboston6365 * however, to add to this, I think Madison benefits from a lot of positives from being the way she is, as her personal life isn’t getting exposed every step she takes and she’s not getting jumped and abused by crazy fans/reporters, so it may be a conscious effort on her part to stay low key with her production so that she can keep her sanity and dignity :)
This is such an interesting video to me, because I got into her music this past year and had no idea about who she was or any of her past and so just heard the music and loved it with an unbiased view. I was surprised she didn't seem to have as much attention on her as others though when her music is as good as it is.
I heard her newest song on the radio yesterday, & honestly I felt so proud of her!! She deserves it, I love her voice. Especially her newest song is def her style, she should do it more often
she got discovered by scooter braun and she said he dropped her out of nowhere but i guess there was more shady sh!t going on. we all know what how scooter braun treats his clients and their careers when they don‘t wanna keep working with him
I had never heard her because she seemed like a pretty girl and that's it, but I decided to listen to her with her latest album and it's very good. love her
She’s said in an interview that she doesn’t care about being the biggest star. She wants whoever hears hears her songs To enjoy her music and relate. But that she wants to live her life and do as she pleases with her conforming to what society says would make her a star🤍.
something you didnt mentioned was the KDA project. i think her being in KDA also brought alot of attention to her as i had never heard of her before that but liked her voice alot.
She’s so talented, and so underrated. I love her.
Shes to simple, too easy! Shes too perfect….
i LOVE silence between songs. Such a fantastic album, i listen to to often! More people should hear it
I think she’s still doing well. Not everyone wants or needs to be mainstream. Her music is enjoyable and her voice has definitely improved. She has gained her own sense of style and creativity for her newer music videos.
And she has everything she needs to be a main pop girl
It’s her team that doesn’t make more mainstream hit songs for her. She has so much potential just lacks the hits
She isn't that talented
Her label doesn’t see her potential, that’s why.
Right
Same with Ava Max and other popstars... They've been in the industry for years and they work with very big names but the labels don't think they're worth the investment. One of Ava's problems is her very average personality imo. Is Madison's problem also her personality ?
Maybe it’s the fact that only so many people can be as popular as the biggest artist . Both Ava max and Maddison are extremely successful just not as successful as the biggest. I think celebrity relationship are one of the few keys to blowing up in the modern era Taylor, Selena, Ariana all had high profile relationship near the beginning or height of their careers.
i love madison, i really got into her music 2 years ago when life support came out. i love her music and i think its kinda cool she isn't mainstream. i think that would be amazing if that changed
She was on. Celebrity drag race, and it really was so nice to see her talk about her reality so honestly.
she's actually doing a lot better than i thought she would when she first began. she was extremely hated and/or ignored. now she sells out tours and has way more followers than for example victoria justice despite the latter starring in a hit show. a lot of people talk about madison online and reckless was a streaming success.
I like how she shows her emotions in her new songs and stuff but man, we live in very tough times and her music makes me depressed, we need some positive happy bangers like baby :(
New songs? Lmfao shes been making songs like this since the beginning like what.
@@dhuejshsiwnxjw You're not wrong, but she clearly made more bangers back in the days and I miss her making bangers bro
her song I Wonder sounds pretty positive to me idk
She's not popular because she didn't sell her soul yet to the music industry..
If being friends with David wasn’t bad enough, she’s also friends with James Charles…
I first heard about her when she was on an episode Rupauls drag race and then when she did the KDA song (not sure which one I saw first though) and I thought she was pretty amazing. Likable, great voice and beautiful. I’m always surprised she hasn’t made it far in the industry but tbh I’m not to against it as it feels like I’m part of a small group that knows her. Kind of like that indie feel but with pop. I’m sure she’ll have a hit soon but so far I’m good with her just releasing music because she loves to do it and not because she needs the boost.
People are weird with her…
I think they think she is basic, but what’s basic???
She has a very simple pallets, but if you look she can betray all those simple categories so well, too the point where she doesn’t become simply, you can sing good, look good, dress good and put together, anddds be able to articulate their emotions so well within music, people don’t look for the package, they just want one thing to be thrown in their face I feel
Great video! Thnxx
Tbh I think if she did not debut so young and debuted with her recent stuff, her popularity and success would have skyrocketed compared to how it is now. Right now pop music is basically dead, however, I will admit that her newer stuff is very catchy and pop-worthy. However, she's been a controversial figure for years, so that may deter people from taking her seriously as an artist/singer.
I really think people need to give her another chance. The releases she made recently and the music route she's taking kind of reminds me of the aesthetic of a young Lana Del Rey, sonically at least, IMO. It took YEARS for people to take notice of Lana Del Rey's music, so I'm hoping the same will be for Madison Beer's music.
Madison has the BEST music out right now. That most recent album is ORIGINAL and FIRE!!! Her style is incredible and I love the retro vibes 💕
3am tired brain wrote this plz ignore
As someone who knows a lot about that world and is also a Madison beer fan I would love to be her level of fame. She’s extremely famous to me and my little online echo chamber and I love her for it. Also if I were to choose between being super famous or mid level to low I’d choose that. The people that matter aka the people that will stream her music are already doing so. She’s also been around for a while and has that credibility but yeah she’s still very famous especially if you’re into internet culture. I don’t even think she wants to be a main pop girlie she has her diehard fans and has made a name for herself in other aspects regardless. I don’t think she wants to or has to be a main pop girlie.
makes sense 100000000%
I think she’s considered an influencer…who famous for being pretty. Through out the years she’s had put out music but yeah, I bet there so many ppl throughout the years who followed her online not knowing she made music which is probably the problem.
She’s basically too casual and relatable to give off the impression of a pop star.
I think she needs to create her very own image and sound. I noticed that shes heavily inspired by Lana del rey's born to die era - pertaining to her looks, sound, and aethetic. She not gonna be famous for copying another artist. She needs a stronger sense of her own artisrty
I always think of madison as an influencer first, singer second. I think most people do.
I know as a younger girl I had been miffed about some of the hateful things she said about other young girls and women at the time. But I never thought of her as some terrible person with no talent, just a young girl trying to find her place and a voice and doing too much to get it. I always thought she had a lovely voice. Glad to see she stuck with it and seemingly has come back to herself, a lot of it was just her needing to grow up which is hard enough without media attention.
its bc she aligns herself with the tik tok ig girl crowds
Yeaasss I randomly heard home to another one on a Spotify playlist and it slaps! A shame how she’s stuck in this seemingly perpetual ~almost mainstream cycle tho. Must be fuckkn tough!
she slowing doing her thing and will have a long career, the higher ups burn out quick.
She’s too pretty and people are envious of that. To the masses it makes her “unrealistic” and not at all relatable and that’s the ugly truth.
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I like quite a few of Madison's songs and I really like how she's been taking a page out of Lana Del Ray's book recently by shifting to a more nostalgic and ethereal sound. As far as the beginning of her career, after Justin "discovered" her she was picked up by a record label to fill an Ariana Grande market for her record label, which is why I think she's still plagued with Ariana Grande comparisons. We've seen this happen before where a pop artist blows up and then other record labels rush to find artist who can fill that demographic and market demand (ex. all the Britney Spears copycat acts in the 90s). However I don't think Madison wants to or is even capable of replicating the Ariana Grande success she was supposed to fill for her label. Not being able to explore her own sound early on is probably why her debut album took so long to release.
I think the problem with her not being heavily pushed by her team though is because she's not the most gifted live singer. This really isn't hate she sounds good on her albums, but after discovering her through the internet and finding her music I wanted to see how she sounded live with no track, and she really doesn't sound great. Most of her "live" performances are prerecorded or clearly backed with a heavy track and in the videos I've seen where you can hear her sing, her vocal trills are clunky and she sounds very nasally. I think she's found a solid following for her music and she's amassed a huge following for her appearance and social media presence, however that does not seem to translate to mainstream global success with her music. And I think that's fine, she's successful enough as is. 🤷♀
Also please be kind in replies. I only wrote that out because I enjoy her music and that's just my opinion on her as an artist.
I feel branding is important, Taylor Swift is always Taylor Swift, so is Adele, Beyonce, Ariana like all of them have this thing that you just know whatever era they go into its always that same brand they had from the start, but it branches to different styles of it but they're still in the same form, Katy was once good at this, since she changed her brand, her songs plummeted, badly at that. She tries to rebrand herself into something unlike the personality we once knew. You shouldn't stray too much from your own brand that built you up, it becomes ground zero from there. I see it currently happening closely to Doja Cat, when she rebrands herself you can feel the old listeners are trying hard to listen to her again, as they have to retrain themselves cos now she's a different brand/person/vibe. Many people who rebrand themselves had to start from the beginning. I felt charli xcx was also that way, she was this cool edgy classic voice then she changed & rebrand herself as a futuristic sound, people don't hear her as much anymore cos people who listened to hear was accustomed to the song they liked about her & the brand she built, now they're all have to find new listeners who'll like the new sound/brand.
Edit: to add Lorde is also a great example, when you stray so much from your brand everything just falls down, cos you need to convince people that this new version/brand is better than before, it's not like they're a new clean slate artist who nobody knew, we grew to listen to their aesthetics then suddenly it changes.
She also associated herself with tiktokers even going as far as being in their music videos hahahaha it’s crazy she even had monster high on her back she was so set to be an Icon main pop girlie / girl is really about tons of success as a pop star and she doesn’t have it she has her own color and vibe she’s good looking and skinny but I feel the public is confused and tired with her but it’s taking too much effort to allow her in ??? Idk
i feel bad for her. Silence between songs was a phenomenal album but it didnt get the recognition it deserved. like have u heard it its soo freaking good.
lets keep it that way bc i want to be able to get tour tix
LMAOOOO SO REAL