CAT WB: The new best in class 5.56 K suppressor
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- Опубликовано: 29 май 2024
- Comparing the new CAT 718 WB to the CGS Helios QD TI suppressor.
Note: In this video I originally said you can run 6mm through this can. PLEASE DO NOT DO THIS - I was wrong.
"It's a step up"
Yes
I just got my rearden last week. Now I just need them to come back in stock. These things looks outstanding.
piece of mind gun works seems to get them in fairly regularly. follow them on IG
@@AimAllies Good looking out 🤘
Great vid. Keep it brother.
The WB is the quietest 5.56 suppressor I've heard. Like the Hux is great but it just sounds like a quieter unsuppressed shot. The WB has no back pressure like the Hux but also has a significantly more pleasant tone, and apparently there's a full sized WB planned. I got the WB 718 on release, sub 100 serial #, but still waiting on approval. I filed as trust so I'm expecting a longer wait
Yes there is a full sized call the street thug. It’s gonna be hard to resist especially in titanium for me. Definitely agree, hux is still less gas but the WB is wayyy quieter. Sorry about the wait man!!
Yup I’ve got one of the very first inconel WB can and it’s an unbelievably good can! Sounds great. And I love that I don’t get gassed out by it like I always do with my other traditional baffle stack style cans.
I love my polonium and recce 5k etc but these CAT cans are amazing.
I also have the short round 22 which is equally impressive.
It’s a huge step up!! I need a 22 can.
Wonderful video sir!
🙏
Nice review - thx
CAT WB shits on everything CGS and Hux
Glad you said it like that and not me 😂 but I agree
cgs makes cat lol
@@coal_tactical then they should only make cat because cat is a million times better lmfao
@@coal_tactical kind of but not really. They thread and serialize the cans and are the distribution FFL. They don’t make the designs or print the cans themselves.
@@coal_tactical cgs doesnt even make their own cans. its all outsourced
Decided on the WB QD as my first can and have had a hell of a time finding one.
Check out piece of mind guns. Follow them on ig. They tend to get some in every couple weeks.
@@AimAlliesyep or top gun range
Good stuff bro!
Awesome let’s see some more
anything specific you want to see?? (besides more cans haha)
Na lol just more cans thanks you doing great
Have you tried any other flow through cans out there like the flow 556k or velos? Is the gas to the face with the WB more or less than the other ones you've tried? I'm also a left handed shooter. Awesome video.
The 556k has a little less gas to the face but is much louder. I have not tried the velos but I would suspect gas would probably be in the same realm as the WB.
You should give the CAT adapter a try. I find their 1x16LH superior to Rearden but that’s just my experience.
Oh damn just a regular gun dude doing a great video..thank you sir
I have ddmk18 that i use a deadair xeno .. i have a ddm4a1 and i wanna get a good can for it.. any thoughts ?
Definitely a K can of some kind. Your budget will decide how much gas blowback you get basically. Polonium on the low end, 556k could maybe find a good deal on, WB on the high end in my opinion.
I’m not too familiar with dead airs can selection for 556 as I don’t really view them as competitive to be honest. I do like my wolfman for 9mm / 300bo
Also thanks for the kind words 🙏
@@AimAllies sir u said WB? Also, its very refreshing seeing someone who is knowledgeable and not just shoving shit down ur throat.. some guntubers need to learn how to be honest to their audience.. thx
@@filipinophreak WB is my current favorite for 5.56 for sure. Thanks so much for the extremely kind words 🙏 I’ll do my best.
Let me know if there are any specific silencer or other topics you’d like me to talk about!
great content for 250 subs.
@@contentcop thanks! Just getting started. Another couple videos coming over the next few months, in progress already.
Do you know if the CGS Helios is quieter on the longer barreled AR's, like a 16" barrel?
Generally speaking longer barrels are quieter at the ear, if you are asking if the Helios would get quieter than the WB on a longer barrel, I dont think so.
I do know the pew science rating for the Helios is a little unfair because the end cap worked really poorly on the mk18 specifically. I hope jay releases data for the Helios on the 14.5 mid, he told me he collected data on it iirc.
that piggy back,
Great video,I’m very knew to suppressors I ordered a hub wb cat 718,how did u say u mounted yours I was thinking of direct tread but it would be nice to be able to take it off if I wanted to quickly,is keymo good or what do u prefer
i'd recommend the rearden atlas and muzzle devices. I also am checking out some options by SD Tactical Arms right now which are a bit more affordable and appear to be great quality so far.
You have the same level of ADHD that I have... I subscribed!!
😅😅 is it that obvious
Have you tried a KAK K-spec down vent bcg? I've heard they cut down a lot of gas to the face, especially for lefties
I have it and it absolutely does. Be mindful it dumps more gas than a standard BCG so If you have a very soft gassed rifle, you'll get FTE and FTF. Good solution to an overgassed gun though.
Not yet but I am considering buying one for my cobalt. Hop seems to like them.
Thanks for sharing your input. Im going to get a WB in 718 with the hub tomorrow. Just got a back in stock message from one of the stores I buy from. I just picked up a Sci-Six a couple of weeks ago. Its already been shipped back to CGS because the front cap was stripped from the factory. I discovered this when attempting to change out the front cap for the vented one. Although I have heard bad things Im about to find out about their customer service. You can't talk to anyone on the phone, but they did respond to my email within 15 minutes. They have had it since Tuesday, and I haven't heard anything yet. One would think they would be quick to get it back to me, but we shall see. Good luck with your channel brother.
Would love to know how that turnaround goes for you and sorry to hear that! Companies are definitely pushing the limits of what they can handle QC wise right now imo.
You will love the WB. kinda like the sci six turned up to 12
@@AimAllies Yes sir. That seems to be the case. Ill let you know how it turns out. Most defiantly looking forward to the WB. Its an exciting time for silencer ownership with short wait times and companies like CAT and B&T.
@@charlesreeves3426cgs handles cat warranties as well (and some think cat = cgs), so holding off until you see how this warranty cycle goes makes sense.
Some people (who provably bought a hux before these came out) have mentioned the wb heats up exceptionally fast if you were going to use it for a class
Let me guess, you’re getting it from EVT?
You stripped it don’t lie bro 😂
have you had any issues with the WB (or any hub suppressor) unthreading and loosening after firing? I'm afraid if I don't rocksett the hub to the can it'll walk off.
I rocksett the rear mount in. It can come off without that to be honest. I had zero issues during firing, more when I tried to take the can off and move it.
I always suggest rocksett the mount torque properly with correct tools and let it set for 24hrs
All the taper mount muzzle devices are awesome though no issues there until the can cools down
Would love to get a few CAT cans. But the ones I want are always out of stock, and no back order options.
Check out piece of mind guns for frequent restocks (follow them on IG). Also if you call SilencerShop I think you can back order.
So are the Alley Cat cans at piece of mind guns just different ODB cans?
@@carls2210 alley cat is the LE model that appears to be able to be purchased by anyone. It is slightly thicker titanium only model with a different coating inside. I would guess to help deal with sparking or possibly concussive refractions in enclosed spaces, I’m not sure.
I’m new to suppressors. Would you share any insight regarding using a flash hider versus muzzle brake with a suppressor? Is a suppressor mounted on a muzzle brake louder than with a flash hider?
Do you like the HUB or their LH QD?
@@shadowsteel11 I prefer the hub because I am already invested in the ecosystem
New to suppressors, so dumb question inbound. The “hub” version means you find a mount that works with your muzzle device, and you put it on the suppressor to it can attach. Is that correct?
Definitely not a dumb question man. Hub is a fairly universal threading with a few options to screw into the back of the suppressor. Usually you pick a brand / system to go with (I like rearden / plan b) and buy the rear mount (the atlas by rearden) and one of their muzzle devices to put on the firearm. Then you can screw the suppressor directly into the muzzle device and swap between firearms while
Still having a muzzle device on the gun with no suppressor! They also have taper lock which tends to stay tight much better than direct thread.
@@AimAlliesgot it! Do you know if rearden has any devices that are 2.3 in length? I have a 13.7 so it’d need to be pin/weld unless i got a new handguard / barrel and SBR’d it. And if i had to pin and weld, would you recommend just doing the QD version?
@@bsd10- I don’t think rearden offers any pin and weld muzzle devices, however the LPM eclipse comes in 13.7 p/w (this works with the same mounts etc, have it on the radian in 14.5 version) - libertyprecisionmachine.com/product/lpm-eclipse-13-7-pin-and-weld-flash-hider/
@@bsd10- hub is my preference to be honest but their QD system also looks great if the muzzle device works for your requirements. Left hand threads are pretty neat.
@@AimAllies you’re the man. Thanks so much for the help. Think i found my combo! LPM device, CAT WB718 Hub. Subscribed!
How does it compare to the OCL polonium?
The full size polonium is very slightly quieter from pew science data however the WB is in a whole other level of gas dynamic performance / low back pressure.
Is it quieter than the Polonium K?
Yes
Waiting for surefire rc2 users to try to say their can is "better" 🤡
RC2 is way better not even in same league
They can’t help themselves
Haha - He said do-do. 5:38
Shit! 💩
Rearden vs xeno?
Rearden >>>> imo
If you really want left hand thread xeno. The xeno is also good but I like the variety that rearden offers for muzzle devices.
Left handed supremacy 👍🏻
Left handed rifle at least rise up 🤣
This or the SLX556?
I prefer to buy cans tested by pew science to be honest. The slx is supposed to have good flow but is pretty loud compared to something like the WB imho
@@AimAllies Gotch you, from the durability aspect would the WB outlast it?
@@ZzBiohazzardzZ looks like the slx556 is also made out of inconel so durability would be the same as the 718 WB. The titanium WB will be less durable.
I would mainly consider that can to go on a spear Lt with the preinstalled SIH muzzled device. That is also a gassy platform which Will benefit from the tech.
@@AimAllies That's exactly why I was asking this lol. Thanks man, appreciate the replies.
@@ZzBiohazzardzZ enjoy! All the new silencer tech is so cool hard to lose
Are u in Tennessee
Georgia
I want one so bad but waiting for the Lazarus 6 to come to the market. May just end up buying both. Why not lol
These days it’s almost what can you get in stock! Also yea, both is good haha
Gas-to-the-face is obviously a real issue, but I think its important to note that its a way bigger issue for lefties than it is for most people. I was just watching Brass Facts stream last night and he was talking so much about gas-face then I realized he's also a lefty.
Yup, it definitely affects us more with where the ejection port is. That probably makes us great suppressor testers though! I still notice really gassy guns shooting right but it’s more of a cancerous cloud than gas jetting right in my face. These gasses are real bad for you so good to keep it minimal no matter what, hence the rise of the 556k in LE/MIL (less cancer)
Too bad this just got beat by another can, and the ODB is quieter on 5.56 anyways.
Welcome to the golden age of suppressor tech! The NOAH is quite a bit heavier if that’s what you’re referring to, so depends on your application. The radical suppressors also look impressive to me.
Radical Defense blew them out at thunder summit
What exactly do you mean if you don't mind me asking?
If you’re referring to the other silencer summit, I don’t agree with that. The new radical cans do look very impressive. The cs5 is on my list to try.
I thought that these have no warranty
It has a lifetime warranty like most suppressors and if you break it through your own negligence they will totally replace for 20% of original cost.
@@AimAllies I guess I have just heard bad news like they do not communicate if during the whole repair process, $300 dollar restocking fee as they only give you 5 days since purchase return window if you find defects
Way more restrictive than OCL/Rugged, as CAT will not service if you used other mounting systems.
@@josephshields2959 they will service it no matter what mounting system you use, but if you blow a hole in the side of it with a crooked mount they make you pay 20% to replace it.
They are a tiny operation and that model doesn’t bug me. Dealing with CGS is not most people’s favorite activity however, I do understand that. Rugged has the best warranty in the business but their cans are loud as shit.
No idea on the restocking, have never heard that and doubt it’s a CAT policy since you can’t buy directly from them. Read their warranty page and decide for yourself, not based on what people have said on Reddit.
Pew Science says the PTR Vent 3 is quieter than the CAT WB, and that was posted in December, 2023?
Not sure how you can say the CAT WB is best in class for 5.56?
Because the vent 3 is over 2 inches longer !
@@AimAllies Oh. My bad. When I saw "best in class 5.56 suppressor" I didn't realize the "class" was "5.56 Suppressors On The Shorter Side". The CGS you're comparing it to is 7.2 inches - only 1/2 an inch shorter than the Vent 3? I guess the line for this class must be somewhere between 7.2 and 7.75 inches. Too bad, Vent 3! Try again next year.
Are you going to do another video for "Best 5.56 Suppressors On The Lighter Side"? I think the Vent 3 will beat your WB Inconel, for sure. lol! But maybe the CGS will still be in the running. It's not as quiet as the Vent 3, but it IS 1/2 an inch shorter and over 2 ounces lighter. It's fatter, but I'm sure that doesn't matter.
Between saying you can run 6mm through it and not even mentioning that there IS a quieter 5.56 can out there, the credibility of your channel is just SUPER! I mean, at first, I thought maybe the Vent 3 simply came out after your video, but ... nope.
I don't have either can. I have no dog in this fight. It's just some observations. I'm thinking about getting a 556 can, so I was checking out my options.
I'm looking forward to shooting my buddy's CAT WB when it comes in. But, I may still get the Vent 3, for the lighter weight, quieter performance, and full auto rating. The CAT WB Ti would be nice. Lighter than the Vent 3 and shorter, but apparently it can't take the heat of hard use.
@@stuartv666 the vent 3 is all titanium. The all titanium WB is half the weight. For a K can, this is best in class right now, possibly besides the radical defense can which I haven’t tried out yet. I have no interest in getting another full sized can for the 14.5” rifle I primarily use, it’s simply too long.
I published a correction on the 6mm within 12 hours of the video going live, and the original statement was based on a misunderstanding of my question I asked directly to CAT.
This was only my 2nd full length video, and I do sincerely appreciate the comment and hope you will tune into future videos with comments breaking down some other options 👍
As an average consumer I can only get my hands on so much at once.
@@AimAllies the Ti WB is light, but it's (apparently) fragile. They want you to have your own thermometer and limit your firing schedule to keep it from exceeding something like 650F degrees. The Vent 3 is all Ti, but full-auto rated.
I appreciate you not getting sh!tty with me after my (very) snarky comment. :)
Really, my only issue is the title. "Best in class 5.56 suppressor". I get riled up by click-bait and misleading titles. It's not the quietest. It's not the lightest. It may have higher back pressure than the Vent 3. If the title said "quietest K class 5.56 suppressor" I would not have been inspired to comment.
Anyway, apologies for being so snarky before. Good luck with your channel. Sincerely.
@@stuartv666 I hope you continue to tune in. You sound like you are just passionate about suppressors which I totally understand (and consumer transparency)
Ill change the title just for you 😉
Wow dude .... Just blew a whole in my can because of you. 6mm does not work in this
I hope you’re kidding - but I added a disclaimer to the notes and removed that section of the video yesterday. If you aren’t, dm me a pic and I’ll pay for the repair through CGS! Not even kidding
DM me on IG @crosseyecomp
Good dude, but everyone should be reading manuals…
@@mattdeadtube thankfully I think this guy was trolling 🤣
This can can handle 6mm
@@williamboggs1682 it does have a 6mm bore but I think you may risk damaging the baffles if you run it too hard.
Order yours now, and maybe you get it in the next year or two.
They were in stock today at piece of mind guns. I ordered mine in stock 2 weeks ago at the same place. Look harder. In fact it is still in stock right now.
@@AimAllies 🤯Thanks! You're more helpful than those 5 SilencerShop agents and 2 FFLs I talked to.
@@AimAllies Thumb up and subbed!👍
@@JohnZ556 😎😎😎😎😎
Did you use the email alert on Silencer Shop for when they're back in stock? In the past a month I've seen them back in stock twice, but they sell out in about 5 minutes.
not A2 approved
Obey the government.
Great video. I'm just getting started with supressors and not a whole lot of channels out there talking about supressors other than huxwrx. Nice to see folks like you showing us other options and talking about them.
Any other brands you’d like to see me check out?? Thanks for watching.
@AimAllies maybe some more affordable options. All of the supressors I have now (except .22 cal) were over $1000. With the rising cost of supressors its hard to root out the cheaper options that are either good or aren't. Channels like yours could help. Especially with the growing popularity.
@@nato1020 good idea! Thanks
You should give the CAT adapter a try. I find their 1x16LH superior to Rearden but that’s just my experience.
At this point I am pretty committed to the hub system but it does look like a great option for the public!